Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
Cephus is very much *not* just setting up straw men. He has been very active for many years on atheist chat groups, where one commonly sees *every single one* of the dumb behaviors he lists being demonstrated by idiotic Chrisschuns who descend on such groups to try to convert the heathens. *Out of context*, his article may seem to be a straw man argument, but if you had spent any time on such forums, you would know how spot-on his descriptions of common anti-atheist rhetoric are. As for the distinction between how a modern-day British person might feel about religion vs. how Americans might feel, there is a grain of truth in what you say, but only a grain. Modern-day British Catholics seem just as insane to me as Catholics in other parts of the world, for example. I think you're cherry-picking arguers for the existence of God to make it appear as if the ones you LIKE are more common than they are. I could do the same thing, quoting Christians I actually LIKE such as Bruce Cockburn or G.K. (Seriousness is not a virtue) Chesterton. But they're exceptions. You are not likely to find their equals among the many people trying to sell their God on the Internet. Almost by definition, anyone zealous enough to try to *convert* someone else to a belief in God has left reason and rationality behind and is working from a platform of elitism and emotion. (IMO, of course.) My idea of a *civilized* discussion about the existence of God would be as follows:- Person 1: I believe God exists.- Person 2: I believe that no such being as God exists.- Person 1: OK, nice talking to you.- Person 2: Yup. See you round. That's it. It's about BELIEF, so there is really nothing more to be said, or any point in trying. As for your speculations about some trying event in my past w.r.t. religion, Bzt, thanks for playing, but you're wrong. I was never raised religious, and never spent much time around anyone religious (other than TM Neo-Hindus). For that matter, I've never spent any time around atheists, either, because as I suggest above I don't see any point in arguing about something that is purely a matter of belief and that can never be resolved. What I'm on about is a set of very common behaviors one tends to see on the Internet among those who feel the need to push their God agendas on others. You are probably correct that when I rail against such people I may be ignoring the 1% (or fewer) believers who actually have some intelligence, but so be it. It's the 99% I'm talking about, and to. If you don't consider yourself part of them, just don't read my stuff. From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 1:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... This Cephus is just setting up a straw man; then knocking him down and feeling pleased with himself. Just take a look at Richard Dawkins debating with the (former) Archbishop of Canterbury at Oxford University. You may or may not think that Dawkins has the better of Rowan Williams but Williams is clearly *not* stupid and doesn't employ any of the ten statements that Cephus castigates.One issue that strikes me about the difference between Barry and myself is that he's American; I'm English. And what kind of difference would that be? Well, in the USA, religion (including fundamentalist versions) is big - indeed it's big business. In the UK, religion is now marginal. It conjures up images of well-meaning but ineffectual Anglican vicars with little input into current societal changes. To me religion is harmless - rather sweet perhaps. To Barry the mention of religion triggers memories of some unresolved trauma from his childhood or adolescence. To Barry it's all about visceral emotion; to me it's all about sweet reason and nuanced reflection.Here's Dawkins/Williams in civilized debate . . .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq2f5TA2nCs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-) Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect... 10 Stupid Things Theists Say to Atheists October 9, 2013by Cephus Asatheists, we see this kind of thing all the time, really absurd thingsthat are said to us by theists in the midst of a debate or discussionthat leave us rolling our eyes. This really isn’t intended so
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
Well said, Sal.
My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got together
physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let bygones be
bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that she'd drink
it, of course. :-)
But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was
missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not
many, and only for a second or two.
After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into
a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's
irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an
opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean
endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability
to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's
like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's
his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess.
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time.
Every day.
Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day.
Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've
got brand new tires.
From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience
for theists than I have...
On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM,fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyonelaughing at the same
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, onthe subject of that joke. Think about
it. Yes, there issomething that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.
For the record, this is payback for all theshit he has given me for the past
ten years. The tables areturned now, his turn to cry.
The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around theinternet - that's
his game.
Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's neveraccomplished a damn
thing, so far as I can tell.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,sharelong60@... wrote :
Steve, I don't mind when people confront turqone on one. But I really don't
like it when the piling onand ganging up happens. Something about that seems
veryunhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... [1 Attachment]
Here, let me rephrase that for you, Barry, you sick monkey... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Well said, Sal. My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that she'd drink it, of course. :-) But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not many, and only for a second or two. After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here. I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service. If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it. After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure. Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. Every day. Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not. It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've got brand new tires. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet. For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's his game. Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's never accomplished a damn thing, so far as I can tell. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
turq, huh?! How can Richard stalk and abuse you if you put his posts in a
Folder and instruct your Folder Secretary to not show them to you?! And fyi, I
would miss Richard if he wasn't here and I bet there are others who feel the
same. And I hope you can be more at peace with your emotions about Richard.
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 3:29 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience
for theists than I have...
Well said, Sal.
My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got together
physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let bygones be
bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that she'd drink
it, of course. :-)
But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was
missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not
many, and only for a second or two.
After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into
a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's
irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an
opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean
endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability
to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's
like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's
his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess.
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time.
Every day.
Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day.
Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've
got brand new tires.
From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience
for theists than I have...
On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM,fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyonelaughing at the same
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, onthe subject of that joke. Think about
it. Yes, there issomething that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.
For the record, this is payback for all theshit he has given me for the past
ten years. The tables areturned now, his turn to cry.
The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around theinternet - that's
his game.
Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's neveraccomplished a damn
thing, so far as I can tell.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,sharelong60@... wrote :
Steve, I don't mind when people confront turqone on one. But I really don't
like it when the piling onand ganging up happens. Something about that seems
veryunhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
salyavin, the mysterious and fascinating thing for me is that each of us on FFL
is triggered by someone different, by different online behavior. I like Richard
a lot because I don't get any sort of snide or arrogant or mean vibe from
him. At all. And I enjoy something in all FFLers but one. So I think of him as
my shadow to work on. Anyway, it's all grist for the mill, it all can be used
to help us develop fully, yada yada. That's why I continue here. Go figger.
PS I admit it's still a bit weird for me when 2 people I really like, like you
and Richard, are at odds with each other. But I shall soldier on (-:
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 1:55 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience
for theists than I have...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's
irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an
opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean
endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability
to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's
like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's
his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess.
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time.
Every day.
Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day.
Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've
got brand new tires.
From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience
for theists than I have...
On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM,fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyonelaughing at the same
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, onthe subject of that joke. Think about
it. Yes, there issomething that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.
For the record, this is payback for all theshit he has given me for the past
ten years. The tables areturned now, his turn to cry.
The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around theinternet - that's
his game.
Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's neveraccomplished a damn
thing, so far as I can tell.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,sharelong60@... wrote :
Steve, I don't mind when people confront turqone on one. But I really don't
like it when the piling onand ganging up happens. Something about that seems
veryunhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here. On 11/22/2014 1:55 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. /So, it's all about Willytex - but do you have to be so mean?// // //You can call me anything you want, if that helps you dehumanize me for the purpose of starting a dialog. But, just for the record, my alias is Pundit Sir and my name is Richard. / Just try simply not having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service. /You sound scared, but maybe it's just your prejudice that I'm addressing. Now that I've got your attention, why do you come across as prejudiced and bigoted?/ If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it. After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure. /Non sequitur./
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On 11/22/2014 3:29 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */Well said, Sal. /* */ /* */My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that she'd drink it, of course. :-)/* How much would you be willing to wager? /* */ */But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not many, and only for a second or two. /* How much would you be willing to wager - do you have a PayPal account? */ /* */After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. /* So, it's all about Richard and not about your cognitive dissonance.Go figure. /* */ *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ** ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here. I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service. If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it. After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure. Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. Every day. Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not. It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've got brand new tires. *From:* 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet. /For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's his game. Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says//- he's never accomplished a damn thing, so far as I can tell./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.
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sal, sal, God Bless You. Yes, let me apologize again, that I find your posts lacking in the interesting department. Remember, you're the guy who has expressed the sentiment that youtube, and the internet in general should be edited appropriately according to what you consider to be relevant. Go figure. But, but, Barry, bringing a lot to the place? I guess if you consider dumping on people on a daily basis as bringing a lot to thee place, you are right. But, God Bless You, sal, God bless ya. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : snip Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. Every day. Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not. It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've got brand new tires. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet. For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's his game. Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's never accomplished a damn thing, so far as I can tell. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.
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The funny thing is, if any of us were to visit Leiden and find Barry, we would find a half-drunken chickenshit, disavowing all that he has said here. You see, Barry is a coward, hiding behind these forums. He wouldn't have the guts to push his agenda, face to face. I may prove that, one of these days. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/22/2014 3:29 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Well said, Sal. My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that she'd drink it, of course. :-) How much would you be willing to wager? But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not many, and only for a second or two. How much would you be willing to wager - do you have a PayPal account? After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. So, it's all about Richard and not about your cognitive dissonance.Go figure. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here. I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service. If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it. After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure. Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. Every day. Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not. It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've got brand new tires. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet. For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's his game. Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's never accomplished a damn thing, so far as I can tell. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.
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--- turquoiseb@... wrote : Excellent rap, Salyavin. Nothing I can add to this. But I do have to ask about something you said: It's just shame that atheism offers no afterlife in paradise to make up for the biggest draw religions have! It's dangerous to go to paradise because an ever-erect penis will result in permanent damage to penis. Technicaly and medicaly you can die of blueballs. Any erection that lasts for more than 3 hours is dangerous and allopathic doctor should be consulted. Everyone that God admits into paradise will be married to 72 wives. All of them will have libidinous sex organs and he will have an ever-erect penis. ~ Sunan Ibn Majah, Zuhd 39 Each time we sleep with a Houri we find her virgin. Besides, the penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal. ~ Al-Itqan fi Ulum al-Qur'an, p. 351 Abu al-Fida (1273 – 1331 AD) was a Muslim geographer and historian. He relates that Prophet Muhammad suffered from a death erection. Ali ibn Abi alib, the fourth rightly-guided Caliph of Islam (and also Muhammad's son-in-law and cousin) washed his body after his death, and had exclaimed, O prophet, thy penis is erect unto the sky! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ok, if it doesn't matter whether or not there's a God, then a genuinely interesting question is: why do people go on and on about it? What is really going on in all these supposedly intellectual conversations? What are people really attempting to accomplish by such posts and exchanges? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com I'll have a go at answering that one. It doesn't really matter what people believe as everyone usually just gets on with everyone else, nobody really judges people on what they believe - how they behave is the important thing. After 9/11 Richard Dawkins thought that maybe it was time that we all sat down and had a good long metaphysical look at ourselves and whether we should be abandoning old ways of thinking if they are going to lead to fundamentalism and skewed morals and all the endless hideous stories we hear from round the world about FGM and witchcraft trials and the pathetic excuses made by successive popes about institutional child abuse. And that's not even mentioning the mental pollution of religious schools filling young brains with unproven rubbish. It's time for a change perhaps, the idea is that we can perhaps decide a rational way of ordering societies and how to educate children with the baggage of iron age superstitions.Maybe we, as a race, could grow out of backward thinking, blind faith and gullibility. Maybe we'd just be better off without all the mistakes of the past holding us back, surely we can do better than relying on so-called received knowledge from iron age gods? I think it's been a great debate and long may it continue, anything that makes people think about themselves is a good thing. Shame nothing has changed really, but the cards are on the table and maybe the mad fundies will start to question themselves if more people question them? I doubt it, they all seem to be getting more entrenched. The trouble I see is that you can't reason somebody out of something they weren't reasoned into. Dawkins thought that religion was like any other system of thought, that it will be replaced by a logically superior one if it came along. But religion is deeper than that, it's a thing of the heart and not of the brain. Especially if you are brought up in a faith, it's like the first language you learn, an intractable part of how your brain works and the first thing you'll turn to. It's an emotion that we try to justify intellectually. I think it's good to provide alternatives in case people discover they like asking questions and don't mind where the answers take them. It's just shame that atheism offers no afterlife in paradise to make up for the biggest draw religions have! That's probably what stops a lot of potential converts. Darwin should have thought of that. But he still wouldn't fool anyone because if you care about knowledge you still have to follow where the discovery of objective knowledge takes you. Or you stay with your beliefs like most people do. Or become a TM scientist and pretend that the pursuit of truth has taken you back to a position of god creating and running everything. Of course, many religions have started using the language of science to argue against scientific discoveries, I always read The Watchtower and am amazed at the ingenuity of believers trying to fool the unwary with sciencey articles disproving evolution. Should be laws against it, but that is a topic for another thread. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 5:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Good article by someone with more
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, the mysterious and fascinating thing for me is that each of us on FFL is triggered by someone different, by different online behavior. I like Richard a lot because I don't get any sort of snide or arrogant or mean vibe from him. At all. And I enjoy something in all FFLers but one. So I think of him as my shadow to work on. Anyway, it's all grist for the mill, it all can be used to help us develop fully, yada yada. That's why I continue here. Go figger. PS I admit it's still a bit weird for me when 2 people I really like, like you and Richard, are at odds with each other. But I shall soldier on (: Eh? I'm not at odds with him, I've often tried to engage him but he just gets aggressive. I don't understand it so I just ignore. People are perfectly entitled to dislike me if they want, I don't mind in the slightest. It's probably just because I don't share his beliefs or something trivial. But yes, these web alliances can run deep and it can be fascinating when someone reveals another side to them and you suddenly have to re-evaluate them. I'm sure if we all met face-to-face it would be different, forming opinions on someone based just on their religious predilections or otherwise is going about life in a different way to normal and is bound to cause fractiousness. That's life in the wild web for ya! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 1:55 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here. I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service. If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it. After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure. Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. Every day. Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not. It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've got brand new tires. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet. For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's his game. Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's never accomplished a damn thing, so far as I can tell. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I
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--- s3raphita@... wrote : Re But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist.: This Cephus is just setting up a straw man; then knocking him down and feeling pleased with himself. Just take a look at Richard Dawkins debating with the (former) Archbishop of Canterbury at Oxford University. You may or may not think that Dawkins has the better of Rowan Williams but Williams is clearly *not* stupid and doesn't employ any of the ten statements that Cephus castigates. One issue that strikes me about the difference between Barry and myself is that he's American; I'm English. And what kind of difference would that be? Well, in the USA, religion (including fundamentalist versions) is big - indeed it's big business. In the UK, religion is now marginal. It conjures up images of well-meaning but ineffectual Anglican vicars with little input into current societal changes. To me religion is harmless - rather sweet perhaps. Your statement is inherently absurd. Please maintain the distinction between Religion and Spiritualism. Religion is like a banana skin, spiritualism is the banana. Dogmatic, under-developed religions can be harmful. Generations of women suffered from guilt complex due to christian genesis story. To Barry the mention of religion triggers memories of some unresolved trauma from his childhood or adolescence. To Barry it's all about visceral emotion; to me it's all about sweet reason and nuanced reflection. Here's Dawkins/Williams in civilized debate . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq2f5TA2nCs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq2f5TA2nCs
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A fit Richard against a beer-bellied, delusional, old man ? It's pretty obvious who'd be beaten into a bloody pulp ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : The funny thing is, if any of us were to visit Leiden and find Barry, we would find a half-drunken chickenshit, disavowing all that he has said here. You see, Barry is a coward, hiding behind these forums. He wouldn't have the guts to push his agenda, face to face. I may prove that, one of these days. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/22/2014 3:29 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Well said, Sal. My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that she'd drink it, of course. :-) How much would you be willing to wager? But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not many, and only for a second or two. How much would you be willing to wager - do you have a PayPal account? After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. So, it's all about Richard and not about your cognitive dissonance.Go figure. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here. I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service. If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it. After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure. Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. Every day. Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not. It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've got brand new tires. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet. For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's his game. Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's never accomplished a damn thing, so far as I can tell. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Here, let me rephrase that for you, Barry, you sick monkey... I see we are going to get some wonderful mileage from this picture. And I see bawee is still sporting the cooking pot or lampshade on his head. The really funny thing is, I remember bawee commenting on how dog-ugly Judy was in her picture, he would go on and on about it and how old she was. In contrast he would imply he was so much better looking and even went so far as to say he was thin. Now I couldn't care less if he looked like some grizzled out geezer with man boobs reading comic books with a stewing pot balanced on his head but because he has always been so quick to denigrate the looks of others I thought it appropriate to give it a mention here.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Well said, Sal. My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that she'd drink it, of course. :-) I think we should organise one, be fascinating to see what everyone is really like and if we mix like sociable humans or gather into predictable corners or start fighting over whether Erich Von Daniken is a better scientist than John Hagelin. And I'd sit down for a pint with Judy any day! But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not many, and only for a second or two. After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. I suspect everyone will be as curious as me to find out what he's really like, he plays his cards so close to his chest it's hard to see the humanity beneath. Or maybe he really does only speak in one sentence missives with a go figure at the end. Perhaps it's a Texan thing we didn't know about? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here. I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service. If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it. After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure. Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. Every day. Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not. It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've got brand new tires. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet. For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's his game. Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's never accomplished a damn thing, so far as I can tell. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.
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Yes, I was amazed too, after all the talk Barry does, about being so attractive in his old age. He looks like a bum, who dumpster dives for breakfast. And this picture is about a year old... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Here, let me rephrase that for you, Barry, you sick monkey... I see we are going to get some wonderful mileage from this picture. And I see bawee is still sporting the cooking pot or lampshade on his head. The really funny thing is, I remember bawee commenting on how dog-ugly Judy was in her picture, he would go on and on about it and how old she was. In contrast he would imply he was so much better looking and even went so far as to say he was thin. Now I couldn't care less if he looked like some grizzled out geezer with man boobs reading comic books with a stewing pot balanced on his head but because he has always been so quick to denigrate the looks of others I thought it appropriate to give it a mention here.
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No kidding. That fight would last about two seconds, with Barry crapping himself, and insisting he was just joking. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : A fit Richard against a beer-bellied, delusional, old man ? It's pretty obvious who'd be beaten into a bloody pulp ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : The funny thing is, if any of us were to visit Leiden and find Barry, we would find a half-drunken chickenshit, disavowing all that he has said here. You see, Barry is a coward, hiding behind these forums. He wouldn't have the guts to push his agenda, face to face. I may prove that, one of these days. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/22/2014 3:29 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Well said, Sal. My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that she'd drink it, of course. :-) How much would you be willing to wager? But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not many, and only for a second or two. How much would you be willing to wager - do you have a PayPal account? After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. So, it's all about Richard and not about your cognitive dissonance.Go figure. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here. I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service. If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it. After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure. Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. Every day. Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not. It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've got brand new tires. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet. For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's his game. Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's never accomplished a damn
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Well said, Sal. My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that she'd drink it, of course. :-) I think we should organise one, be fascinating to see what everyone is really like and if we mix like sociable humans or gather into predictable corners or start fighting over whether Erich Von Daniken is a better scientist than John Hagelin. And I'd sit down for a pint with Judy any day! But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not many, and only for a second or two. After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. I suspect everyone will be as curious as me to find out what he's really like, he plays his cards so close to his chest it's hard to see the humanity beneath. Or maybe he really does only speak in one sentence missives with a go figure at the end. Perhaps it's a Texan thing we didn't know about? Now that you're on the subject of Richard I will pipe in my two cents. Until about 4 months ago I didn't quite get him either. He can appear repetitive and trollish and he would purposefully misrepresent others, as if he had a reading comprehension problem or was simply enjoying the perverseness of making stuff up. And he was so tireless in all of this. Now, although this sounds a lot like your personal buddy here there are some really vital differences. These are as follows: Richard appears to live a balanced life with outside interests, a beautiful woman, all the trappings of a comfortable life with plenty of money to keep him and is spouse in a manner many are not as fortunate to possess. Consequently, he seems pretty fulfilled, at least on the material level. Richard totally goofs around here and doesn't take it nearly as seriously as some others. He has his style of playing with it all and although he definitely appears to like some more than others he's willing to give most here a taste of his playfulness at any given moment. I actually think he's hilarious not to mention one smart guy who has probably more miles investigating spiritual paths than just about anyone here (this is not something I particularly find interesting but I'll give him the nod on this one). To take Richard seriously to the point where he bugs you means you have missed his whole shtick. If you can tolerate and even appreciate bawee as you seem to do surely you can find the stomach to tolerate Richard who is one hundredth the obnoxious boor your lampshade-wearing friend is. But, as you say, the internet is a funny place because I really appreciate your mind and your sense of humour, Sal. But your choice of friends absolutely stumps me. Each to his own. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here. I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service. If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it. After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure. Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. Every day. Barry, on the
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What she said. I didn't get Richard for awhile, either. He sometimes responds in a way that leaves no room for a further comment. But I have never found him to be mean, unbalanced, or sadistic. He actually seems to be quite a gentle and fulfilled man. I don't think it is any coincidence that Barry makes it his mission to go after those here, who are most successful in life. I truly believe Barry hates people who make it in this world, while envying them unrelentingly. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Well said, Sal. My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that she'd drink it, of course. :-) I think we should organise one, be fascinating to see what everyone is really like and if we mix like sociable humans or gather into predictable corners or start fighting over whether Erich Von Daniken is a better scientist than John Hagelin. And I'd sit down for a pint with Judy any day! But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not many, and only for a second or two. After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. I suspect everyone will be as curious as me to find out what he's really like, he plays his cards so close to his chest it's hard to see the humanity beneath. Or maybe he really does only speak in one sentence missives with a go figure at the end. Perhaps it's a Texan thing we didn't know about? Now that you're on the subject of Richard I will pipe in my two cents. Until about 4 months ago I didn't quite get him either. He can appear repetitive and trollish and he would purposefully misrepresent others, as if he had a reading comprehension problem or was simply enjoying the perverseness of making stuff up. And he was so tireless in all of this. Now, although this sounds a lot like your personal buddy here there are some really vital differences. These are as follows: Richard appears to live a balanced life with outside interests, a beautiful woman, all the trappings of a comfortable life with plenty of money to keep him and is spouse in a manner many are not as fortunate to possess. Consequently, he seems pretty fulfilled, at least on the material level. Richard totally goofs around here and doesn't take it nearly as seriously as some others. He has his style of playing with it all and although he definitely appears to like some more than others he's willing to give most here a taste of his playfulness at any given moment. I actually think he's hilarious not to mention one smart guy who has probably more miles investigating spiritual paths than just about anyone here (this is not something I particularly find interesting but I'll give him the nod on this one). To take Richard seriously to the point where he bugs you means you have missed his whole shtick. If you can tolerate and even appreciate bawee as you seem to do surely you can find the stomach to tolerate Richard who is one hundredth the obnoxious boor your lampshade-wearing friend is. But, as you say, the internet is a funny place because I really appreciate your mind and your sense of humour, Sal. But your choice of friends absolutely stumps me. Each to his own. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here. I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service. If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it. After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. He says he's proud of his internet
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On 11/22/2014 6:34 AM, Share Long wrote: turq, huh?! How can Richard stalk and abuse you if you put his posts in a Folder and instruct your Folder Secretary to not show them to you? /Barry actually didn't say he filtered my messages into a folder, Share - //he said he kill-filed me, meaning he doesn't even see them unless they are included in another reply. He doesn't take criticism very well - maybe he is scared. He is a complicated character to figure out. He probably hates me now for exposing his deep cognitive dissonance, but he did ask for feedback //and invited us to read his Rama web site./ ! And fyi, I would miss Richard if he wasn't here and I bet there are others who feel the same. And I hope you can be more at peace with your emotions about Richard. *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 22, 2014 3:29 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... */Well said, Sal. /* */ /* */My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that she'd drink it, of course. :-)/* */ /* */But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not many, and only for a second or two. /* */ /* */After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. /* *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ** ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here. I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service. If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it. After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure. Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. Every day. Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not. It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've got brand new tires. *From:* 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet. /For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. The guy has been
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That is the way I figure it, too, Richard. You are the one on here, who never lets him escape his past, often quoting contradictory information that he has posted, prior to his latest screed. He is both furious, and mentally confused - not a good combo. They will have their hands full, at the assisted living center. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/22/2014 6:34 AM, Share Long wrote: turq, huh?! How can Richard stalk and abuse you if you put his posts in a Folder and instruct your Folder Secretary to not show them to you? Barry actually didn't say he filtered my messages into a folder, Share - he said he kill-filed me, meaning he doesn't even see them unless they are included in another reply. He doesn't take criticism very well - maybe he is scared. He is a complicated character to figure out. He probably hates me now for exposing his deep cognitive dissonance, but he did ask for feedback and invited us to read his Rama web site. ! And fyi, I would miss Richard if he wasn't here and I bet there are others who feel the same. And I hope you can be more at peace with your emotions about Richard. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 3:29 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... Well said, Sal. My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that she'd drink it, of course. :-) But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not many, and only for a second or two. After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here. I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service. If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it. After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure. Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. Every day. Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not. It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've got brand new tires. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... On
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From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Well said, Sal.
My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got together
physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let bygones be
bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that she'd drink
it, of course. :-)
I think we should organise one, be fascinating to see what everyone is really
like and if we mix like sociable humans or gather into predictable corners or
start fighting over whether Erich Von Daniken is a better scientist than John
Hagelin. And I'd sit down for a pint with Judy any day!
But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was
missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not
many, and only for a second or two.
After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into
a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years.
I suspect everyone will be as curious as me to find out what he's really like,
he plays his cards so close to his chest it's hard to see the humanity beneath.
Or maybe he really does only speak in one sentence missives with a go figure
at the end. Perhaps it's a Texan thing we didn't know about?
Actually, he stole Go figure from me. He read it in Road Trip Mind and has
been using it ever since.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's
irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an
opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean
endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability
to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's
like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's
his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess.
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time.
Every day.
Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day.
Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've
got brand new tires.
From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience
for theists than I have...
On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM,fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyonelaughing at the same
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, onthe subject of that joke. Think about
it. Yes, there issomething that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.
For the record, this is payback for all theshit he has given me for the past
ten years. The tables areturned now, his turn to cry.
The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around theinternet - that's
his game.
Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's neveraccomplished a damn
thing, so far as I can tell.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,sharelong60@... wrote :
Steve, I don't mind when people confront turqone on one. But I really don't
like it when the piling onand ganging up happens. Something about that seems
veryunhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.
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Go figger! Which I *stole* from Bhairitu... From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Well said, Sal. My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that she'd drink it, of course. :-) I think we should organise one, be fascinating to see what everyone is really like and if we mix like sociable humans or gather into predictable corners or start fighting over whether Erich Von Daniken is a better scientist than John Hagelin. And I'd sit down for a pint with Judy any day! But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not many, and only for a second or two. After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. I suspect everyone will be as curious as me to find out what he's really like, he plays his cards so close to his chest it's hard to see the humanity beneath. Or maybe he really does only speak in one sentence missives with a go figure at the end. Perhaps it's a Texan thing we didn't know about? Actually, he stole Go figure from me. He read it in Road Trip Mind and has been using it ever since. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here. I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service. If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it. After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure. Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. Every day. Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not. It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've got brand new tires. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM,fleetwood_macncheese wrote: It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyonelaughing at the same joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, onthe subject of that joke. Think about it. Yes, there issomething that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet. For the record, this is payback for all theshit he has given me for the past ten years. The tables areturned now, his turn to cry. The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around theinternet - that's his game. Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's neveraccomplished a damn thing, so far as I can tell. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,sharelong60@... wrote
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Thanks, Richard, I guess I lost track of who got put into Folders. Anyway, in revolt, and as a *spiritual* practice LOL, I'm aiming to read EVERY SINGLE FFL POST from now on. It seems kind of dumb to me to avoid reading certain posters. Except for that bit about taking on someone else's karma...hmmm, it's a conundrum. May have to rethink my strategy. Will report later (-: From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... On 11/22/2014 6:34 AM, Share Long wrote: turq, huh?! How can Richard stalk and abuse you if you put his posts in a Folder and instruct your Folder Secretary to not show them to you? Barry actually didn't say he filtered my messages into a folder, Share - he said he kill-filed me, meaning he doesn't even see them unless they are included in another reply. He doesn't take criticism very well - maybe he is scared. He is a complicated character to figure out. He probably hates me now for exposing his deep cognitive dissonance, but he did ask for feedback and invited us to read his Rama web site. ! And fyi, I would miss Richard if he wasn't here and I bet there are others who feel the same. And I hope you can be more at peace with your emotions about Richard. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 3:29 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... Well said, Sal. My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that she'd drink it, of course. :-) But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not many, and only for a second or two. After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here. I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service. If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it. After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure. Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. Every day. Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not. It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've got brand new tires. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Well said, Sal. My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that she'd drink it, of course. :-) I think we should organise one, be fascinating to see what everyone is really like and if we mix like sociable humans or gather into predictable corners or start fighting over whether Erich Von Daniken is a better scientist than John Hagelin. And I'd sit down for a pint with Judy any day! But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not many, and only for a second or two. After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. I suspect everyone will be as curious as me to find out what he's really like, he plays his cards so close to his chest it's hard to see the humanity beneath. Or maybe he really does only speak in one sentence missives with a go figure at the end. Perhaps it's a Texan thing we didn't know about? Actually, he stole Go figure from me. He read it in Road Trip Mind and has been using it ever since. Some Urban Slang defs of go figure: 3 http://www.addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=300winname=addthispub=ra-50dc926d011f6845source=tbx-300lng=en-USs=twitterurl=http%3A%2F%2Fgo-figure.urbanup.com%2F7367749title=Urban%20Dictionary%3A%20Go%20figure http://www.addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=300winname=addthispub=ra-50dc926d011f6845source=tbx-300lng=en-USs=facebookurl=http%3A%2F%2Fgo-figure.urbanup.com%2F7367749title=Urban%20Dictionary%3A%20Go%20figure http://www.addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=300winname=addthispub=ra-50dc926d011f6845source=tbx-300lng=en-USurl=http%3A%2F%2Fgo-figure.urbanup.com%2F7367749title=Urban%20Dictionary%3A%20Go%20figure http://www.urbandictionary.com/favorites.form.php?defid=7367749 Go figure http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Go%20figuredefid=7367749 A slang phrase used only in the United States of America, short for go and figure that out. It is typically only used in speech, and is an attempt to ridicule the previous thing they said. In fact, all it does is indicate that the person is both ignorant and stupid. Go figure http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Go%20figuredefid=3672024 A saying used when something happens that you might have expected, but you have absolutely nothing original or intelligent to say. Generally used by idiots with IQs below 85, who just want to hear them selves talk, and build thier own unfounded egos.
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Unlikely we would get anything out of Willy Tex - he would most likely spend the reunion sitting off to himself and mumbling about buddhist stupas. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Well said, Sal. My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that she'd drink it, of course. :-) I think we should organise one, be fascinating to see what everyone is really like and if we mix like sociable humans or gather into predictable corners or start fighting over whether Erich Von Daniken is a better scientist than John Hagelin. And I'd sit down for a pint with Judy any day! But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not many, and only for a second or two. After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. I suspect everyone will be as curious as me to find out what he's really like, he plays his cards so close to his chest it's hard to see the humanity beneath. Or maybe he really does only speak in one sentence missives with a go figure at the end. Perhaps it's a Texan thing we didn't know about? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here. I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service. If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it. After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure. Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. Every day. Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not. It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've got brand new tires. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM,fleetwood_macncheese wrote: It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyonelaughing at the same joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, onthe subject of that joke. Think about it. Yes, there issomething that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet. For the record, this is payback for all theshit he has given me for the past ten years. The tables areturned now, his turn to cry. The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around theinternet - that's his game. Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's neveraccomplished a damn thing, so far as I can tell. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turqone on one. But I really don't like it when the piling onand
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
Re I also happen to love the smell of frankincense: The reign of Antichrist is near! Frankincense - a traditional staple of the Christmas story - faces an uncertain future, according to researchers. Ecologists have warned that the production of the fragrant resin could decline by half over the next 15 years. The festive fragrance is produced by tapping the gum of trees in the Boswellia genus.The forests that remain are declining because the old individuals are dying continuously, and there there no new individuals coming into the system. That means that the forests are running out of trees. In places like Oman and Yemen, it is being cut down systematically. Now, in Ethiopia, it is being cut down as land is being turned over to agriculture. If the Second Coming, er, comes, maybe Jesus will accept a gift card from Walmart as an alternative? http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-16270759 http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-16270759 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist.: This Cephus is just setting up a straw man; then knocking him down and feeling pleased with himself. Just take a look at Richard Dawkins debating with the (former) Archbishop of Canterbury at Oxford University. You may or may not think that Dawkins has the better of Rowan Williams but Williams is clearly *not* stupid and doesn't employ any of the ten statements that Cephus castigates. One issue that strikes me about the difference between Barry and myself is that he's American; I'm English. And what kind of difference would that be? Well, in the USA, religion (including fundamentalist versions) is big - indeed it's big business. In the UK, religion is now marginal. It conjures up images of well-meaning but ineffectual Anglican vicars with little input into current societal changes. To me religion is harmless - rather sweet perhaps. To Barry the mention of religion triggers memories of some unresolved trauma from his childhood or adolescence. To Barry it's all about visceral emotion; to me it's all about sweet reason and nuanced reflection. Nice one. I too can view religion with a bit of an outsider's objectivity and don't particularly condemn those who embrace some form of it nor do I run out myself to Sunday mass or Buddhist prayer. There is a lot of aesthetic tradition in some of the older religions. There is a great deal of beauty in the structures erected in the name of glorifying God. The artwork alone is worth much of the counterproductive aspects of religion. It can not quite equal the murder and mayhem done in the name of religion throughout the ages but there is also the other 'up' side. The up side being anyone who takes the time and the trouble to seek a little deeper and learn a little more beyond what they can measure with a ruler or scale or see and hear and touch can be transported into mysteries worth investigating. I also happen to love the smell of frankincense and watching ritual and listening to Evensong in the candlelit mustiness of old churches. Here's Dawkins/Williams in civilized debate . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq2f5TA2nCs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq2f5TA2nCs
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or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. I don't think I'd discount that possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect... 10 Stupid Things Theists Say to Atheists http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/2013/10/09/10-stupid-things-theists-say-atheists/ October 9, 2013 by Cephus http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/author/admin/ http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/author/admin/ http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Say-Something-Stupid.jpg As atheists, we see this kind of thing all the time, really absurd things that are said to us by theists in the midst of a debate or discussion that leave us rolling our eyes. This really isn’t intended so much for the atheist, but for the theist, who really needs to understand that none of these things are going to convince anyone of the validity of their arguments. Maybe that’s okay with them, but maybe, just maybe, they never realized just how pointless any of the following statements actually are. It leaves me wondering if theists are really debating to come to a mutually agreeable conclusion, or if they’re just “debating” to hear themselves talk or see themselves type. And so, in no particular order, these are ten statements that I see routinely from theists that are simply not helping your case, and why. 10. I’ll pray for you… This is totally and completely useless. If you really feel the need to talk to yourself about us, I suppose it’s your time to waste, but this statement really comes off as a final flip of the finger to the atheist when the theist has run out of other arguments. It’s essentially “I’m still right, so there!” It appears to be childish, even if it’s sincere. We don’t want you to pray for us, we want you to be able to defend your beliefs. Maybe you should spend more time worrying about that. 9. The Bible says… We don’t care what the Bible says. In fact, we probably know the Bible better than you do and not only the Bible, but many other religious texts as well. Often, that’s why we’re atheists, because we had the courage and commitment to read the Bible and think about what it actually says. We don’t limit our knowledge to the words on the page though, we often know why it’s there, where it came from and how it came to be accepted by your religion. We’ve engaged in higher criticism of your religious text and can almost certainly show how and why your book isn’t trustworthy. Don’t pretend we’re not well-versed in what your book says, we are. 8. This website says… This is probably even worse than the previous statement because not only does it show that you think we’re not well-versed in all of the standard apologetic arguments, it demonstrate that you are not. If the best you can do is grab a claim off some apologist’s website or YouTube video, there’s really no point in talking to you because clearly, you don’t understand the argument well enough to present your own take on it. I don’t care what William Lane Craig says, I’m not debating William Lane Craig, I’m debating you. Make your own arguments and understand what you’re saying because I absolutely will attack the argument and expect you to defend it. 7. You can’t prove God doesn’t exist… No I can’t, it’s not my job to do so. It’s yours. You’re the one claiming that God is real, it rests solely on your shoulders to prove it. After all, you can’t prove that Krishna doesn’t exist, does that mean that the Hindus are right and Krishna does? You can’t prove that unicorns exist, does that make them real? The burden of proof is always on the individual who makes the positive claim. Most atheists do not claim God does not exist, they just reject your claim that he does based on lack of corroboratory evidence. 6. You really believe in God, but… Theists make this statement to make themselves feel better, it has no critical validity. It is a form of the argument from ignorance, where a statement is made, not because there’s evidence that it’s so, but because the individual can’t come up with a better argument. You don’t want to believe that there are people out there who really reject your deity, thus you imagine that nobody actually does, they’re all lying. That’s just not the case. 5. I know God
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My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. I don't think I'd discount that possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
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Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some
compassion?
From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-)
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
A good question Share. Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a time to address BS head on. I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel compelled to address them. Pretty much as simple as that. That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in that regard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some compassion? From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. I don't think I'd discount that possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.
From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience
for theists than I have...
A good question Share.
Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a
time to address BS head on.
I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel
compelled to address them.
Pretty much as simple as that.
That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in
that regard.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some
compassion?
From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for
theists than I have...
My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-)
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
Do you consider it compassionate, to encourage him passively, in the direction of his delusions? I don't. Barry is one sick monkey. The most compassionate thing I can do for Barry, is be myself. I don't know what me showing him compassion, looks like to you, Share. This IS an open forum, where we choose to read what we want to. He is easily able to not read what I write. I find him borderline crazy, and socially maladjusted, and I don't mind saying so. Barry is not asking for pity, nor showing any sort of normal social interaction here, and I happily share my reaction to that. He is an infinite being, as am I, and a few well chosen words in his direction are very helpful for him, imo. Consider me his long absent voices, of reason, conscience, and love. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some compassion? From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. I don't think I'd discount that possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... A good question Share. Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a time to address BS head on. I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel compelled to address them. Pretty much as simple as that. That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in that regard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some compassion? From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. I don't think I'd discount that possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it. Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he loves a good tease! Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working? Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it wasn't working and be off to the beach! From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... A good question Share. Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a time to address BS head on. I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel compelled to address them. Pretty much as simple as that. That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in that regard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some compassion? From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. I don't think I'd discount that possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.
Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably
chuckling to himself over his cappuccino. I know him well enough to know he
loves a good tease!
Busted. And worse, it's a fair cop. :-)
Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it
wasn't working and be off to the beach!
It's still a bit frosty here for beach weather, but (strangely enough, given
what I read about weather in other parts of the world), it's still warm enough
that I am comfortable here on the outdoor terrace of one of my favorite
pubs...and in mid-November. This kind of weather is simply unheard-of in the
Netherlands, so I'm far from the only person here.
But I've probably lost the thread...what were we talking about? :-)
From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience
for theists than I have...
A good question Share.
Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a
time to address BS head on.
I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel
compelled to address them.
Pretty much as simple as that.
That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in
that regard.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some
compassion?
From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for
theists than I have...
My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-)
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
Share, evidently you do have a different take on it. I'm looking at my experiences day in and day out, and I'm feeling pretty healthy. What you may see as ganging up, may be for other people, just sort of laughing at how ridiculous someone else can be. At this point, I'm not sure how serious anyone can take Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... A good question Share. Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a time to address BS head on. I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel compelled to address them. Pretty much as simple as that. That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in that regard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some compassion? From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. I don't think I'd discount that possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it. Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably chuckling to himself over his cappuccino. I know him well enough to know he loves a good tease! Busted. And worse, it's a fair cop. :-) Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working? Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it wasn't working and be off to the beach! It's still a bit frosty here for beach weather, but (strangely enough, given what I read about weather in other parts of the world), it's still warm enough that I am comfortable here on the outdoor terrace of one of my favorite pubs...and in mid-November. This kind of weather is simply unheard-of in the Netherlands, so I'm far from the only person here. But I've probably lost the thread...what were we talking about? :-) I don't know either, you just got me thinking about last weekend when I was sitting on a bench by the sea in a T-shirt thinking how nice it was in the sun. And I've just seen the weather for this weekend and it's the same! Got a nice day out planned too. Normally I'm stocking up on mince pies about now but it's still cream tea weather! This global warming may be ultimately bad news but it helps your coffee stay warmer for longer. Stop and smell the roses that's what I say. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... A good question Share. Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a time to address BS head on. I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel compelled to address them. Pretty much as simple as that. That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in that regard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some compassion? From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. I don't think I'd discount that possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
Beautiful Sal, I've tried to read your postings of late, but they've been so dadgummed boring, I can't get past the first sentence. But, thanks for your concern about home life. Going pretty well. Same goes for the business side of things. I have noticed that you seem to regularly slink off to the pub. I guess for some solice. Birds of a feather, I suppose. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it. Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he loves a good tease! Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working? Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it wasn't working and be off to the beach! From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... A good question Share. Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a time to address BS head on. I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel compelled to address them. Pretty much as simple as that. That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in that regard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some compassion? From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. I don't think I'd discount that possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
I guess I missed something here, and it is a bit telling I think. This thing about a good tease. I suppose you are in denial about how a good tease leads to abuse in many cases. And sorry to say, that is akin to what we see in many of Barry's comments. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it. Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably chuckling to himself over his cappuccino. I know him well enough to know he loves a good tease! Busted. And worse, it's a fair cop. :-) Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working? Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it wasn't working and be off to the beach! It's still a bit frosty here for beach weather, but (strangely enough, given what I read about weather in other parts of the world), it's still warm enough that I am comfortable here on the outdoor terrace of one of my favorite pubs...and in mid-November. This kind of weather is simply unheard-of in the Netherlands, so I'm far from the only person here. But I've probably lost the thread...what were we talking about? :-) From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... A good question Share. Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a time to address BS head on. I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel compelled to address them. Pretty much as simple as that. That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in that regard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some compassion? From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. I don't think I'd discount that possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working? Somewhat disingenuous, don't you think, hanging the reaction to Barry's boorish and insulting behavior, on the sensitivity of meditators? Perhaps he resembles people you know, and hence no big deal. I find him sadistic, small minded, and kind of creepy. He gets exactly what he wants on here. As Edg put so succinctly, Barry is trolling so that others can expose his brokenness. Why that should be a source of amusement to anybody, is beyond me. I also watch him go after people I like on this forum, viciously and disrespectfully, who have done nothing more than offer an opinion, counter to that of his. A real shit, in my book. Anyone who finds this behavior witty, inventive, enlightened, or clever, needs another look in the mirror. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it. Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he loves a good tease! Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working? Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it wasn't working and be off to the beach! From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... A good question Share. Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a time to address BS head on. I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel compelled to address them. Pretty much as simple as that. That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in that regard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some compassion? From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. I don't think I'd discount that possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Do you consider it compassionate, to encourage him passively, in the direction of his delusions? I don't. Barry is one sick monkey. The most compassionate thing I can do for Barry, is be myself. I don't know what me showing him compassion, looks like to you, Share. This IS an open forum, where we choose to read what we want to. He is easily able to not read what I write. I find him borderline crazy, and socially maladjusted, and I don't mind saying so. Barry is not asking for pity, nor showing any sort of normal social interaction here, and I happily share my reaction to that. He is an infinite being, as am I, and a few well chosen words in his direction are very helpful for him, imo. Consider me his long absent voices, of reason, conscience, and love. Beautiful and insightful answer Fleet. You are one reason I stick around. You are smart, interesting, can engage in a conversation without getting defensive, rude or lose the thread. You have a brilliant sense of humour and you say it like it is. No one pushes you around yet you are willing, in a moment, to engage peacefully with someone who, a post before, you might have had words with. In a word, you seem very, very balanced and I like it. This idea of showing bawee compassion when he spends every single post mocking and lying about others is like saying let the rabid dog run loose and continue to bite people because the poor thing is sick and can't help itself. You aren't doing that dog any favors and you certainly aren't showing any sense of self-preservation when that dog continues to slobber and rip your face off. bawee may be troubled but no amount of allowing him to abuse others here is gonna fix him.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
Yeah, I agree, Ann - There are a lot of people here I enjoy engaging with, and sharing thoughts. To have to shout over the din occasionally, to prevent Barry from pissing on the floor again, is par for the course. Bottoms up!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Do you consider it compassionate, to encourage him passively, in the direction of his delusions? I don't. Barry is one sick monkey. The most compassionate thing I can do for Barry, is be myself. I don't know what me showing him compassion, looks like to you, Share. This IS an open forum, where we choose to read what we want to. He is easily able to not read what I write. I find him borderline crazy, and socially maladjusted, and I don't mind saying so. Barry is not asking for pity, nor showing any sort of normal social interaction here, and I happily share my reaction to that. He is an infinite being, as am I, and a few well chosen words in his direction are very helpful for him, imo. Consider me his long absent voices, of reason, conscience, and love. Beautiful and insightful answer Fleet. You are one reason I stick around. You are smart, interesting, can engage in a conversation without getting defensive, rude or lose the thread. You have a brilliant sense of humour and you say it like it is. No one pushes you around yet you are willing, in a moment, to engage peacefully with someone who, a post before, you might have had words with. In a word, you seem very, very balanced and I like it. This idea of showing bawee compassion when he spends every single post mocking and lying about others is like saying let the rabid dog run loose and continue to bite people because the poor thing is sick and can't help itself. You aren't doing that dog any favors and you certainly aren't showing any sense of self-preservation when that dog continues to slobber and rip your face off. bawee may be troubled but no amount of allowing him to abuse others here is gonna fix him.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
I have become convinced that Steve is just one of Willy Tex's many identities.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience
for theists than I have...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.
Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably
chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he
loves a good tease!
Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it
wasn't working and be off to the beach!
From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience
for theists than I have...
A good question Share.
Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a
time to address BS head on.
I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel
compelled to address them.
Pretty much as simple as that.
That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in
that regard.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some
compassion?
From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for
theists than I have...
My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-)
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working? Somewhat disingenuous, don't you think, hanging the reaction to Barry's boorish and insulting behavior, on the sensitivity of meditators? No I don't, I get endless crap from people on here but it doesn't even remotely bother me. Why would it? It's just someone's opinion and generally that of people who have indicated they'd rather just not think about things. Seems like poor quality behaviour on a discussion group but what can we do? I'm ever the optimist and enjoy the fact that most posts aren't worth opening as it means I don't feel I have to respond. You don't either. Perhaps he resembles people you know, and hence no big deal. I find him sadistic, small minded, and kind of creepy. Are you saying that you get on with everyone and that they all have a glowing opinion of your attributes? He gets exactly what he wants on here. As Edg put so succinctly, Barry is trolling so that others can expose his brokenness. Why that should be a source of amusement to anybody, is beyond me. I also watch him go after people I like on this forum, viciously and disrespectfully, who have done nothing more than offer an opinion, counter to that of his. A real shit, in my book. Anyone who finds this behavior witty, inventive, enlightened, or clever, needs another look in the mirror. Six of one and half a dozen of the other. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it. Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he loves a good tease! Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working? Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it wasn't working and be off to the beach! From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... A good question Share. Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a time to address BS head on. I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel compelled to address them. Pretty much as simple as that. That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in that regard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some compassion? From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. I don't think I'd discount that possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
Or vice versa.
:-)
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience
for theists than I have...
I have become convinced that Steve is just one of Willy Tex's many
identities.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience
for theists than I have...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.
Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably
chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he
loves a good tease!
Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it
wasn't working and be off to the beach!
From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience
for theists than I have...
A good question Share.
Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a
time to address BS head on.
I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel
compelled to address them.
Pretty much as simple as that.
That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in
that regard.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some
compassion?
From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for
theists than I have...
My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-)
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
But Fleetwood, imo it's possible to support the person being attacked without
also attacking the attacker. Attacking the attacker just keeps that cycle going.
From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience
for theists than I have...
Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air
but for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't
working?
Somewhat disingenuous, don't you think, hanging the reaction to Barry's boorish
and insulting behavior, on the sensitivity of meditators? Perhaps he resembles
people you know, and hence no big deal. I find him sadistic, small minded, and
kind of creepy.
He gets exactly what he wants on here. As Edg put so succinctly, Barry is
trolling so that others can expose his brokenness. Why that should be a source
of amusement to anybody, is beyond me.
I also watch him go after people I like on this forum, viciously and
disrespectfully, who have done nothing more than offer an opinion, counter to
that of his. A real shit, in my book. Anyone who finds this behavior witty,
inventive, enlightened, or clever, needs another look in the mirror.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.
Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably
chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he
loves a good tease!
Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it
wasn't working and be off to the beach!
From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience
for theists than I have...
A good question Share.
Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a
time to address BS head on.
I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel
compelled to address them.
Pretty much as simple as that.
That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in
that regard.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some
compassion?
From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for
theists than I have...
My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-)
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
Steve, I'm glad you're feeling pretty healthy.
From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience
for theists than I have...
Share, evidently you do have a different take on it.
I'm looking at my experiences day in and day out, and I'm feeling pretty
healthy.
What you may see as ganging up, may be for other people, just sort of laughing
at how ridiculous someone else can be.
At this point, I'm not sure how serious anyone can take Barry.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.
From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience
for theists than I have...
A good question Share.
Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a
time to address BS head on.
I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel
compelled to address them.
Pretty much as simple as that.
That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in
that regard.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some
compassion?
From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for
theists than I have...
My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-)
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
thanks, salyavin, you're probably right.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience
for theists than I have...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.
Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably
chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he
loves a good tease!
Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it
wasn't working and be off to the beach!
From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience
for theists than I have...
A good question Share.
Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a
time to address BS head on.
I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel
compelled to address them.
Pretty much as simple as that.
That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in
that regard.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some
compassion?
From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for
theists than I have...
My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-)
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
No cycle, here at all, Share. I am not attacking Barry, either. I am stating the truth about him. If it appears as an attack, he has only himself to blame. I share a lot more than my observations about Barry, on here, too, as you well know. I have a full life, and as I said to Ann, if I have to raise my voice sometimes, to prevent Barry from peeing on the floor, that is the cost of the discourse I enjoy here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : But Fleetwood, imo it's possible to support the person being attacked without also attacking the attacker. Attacking the attacker just keeps that cycle going. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working? Somewhat disingenuous, don't you think, hanging the reaction to Barry's boorish and insulting behavior, on the sensitivity of meditators? Perhaps he resembles people you know, and hence no big deal. I find him sadistic, small minded, and kind of creepy. He gets exactly what he wants on here. As Edg put so succinctly, Barry is trolling so that others can expose his brokenness. Why that should be a source of amusement to anybody, is beyond me. I also watch him go after people I like on this forum, viciously and disrespectfully, who have done nothing more than offer an opinion, counter to that of his. A real shit, in my book. Anyone who finds this behavior witty, inventive, enlightened, or clever, needs another look in the mirror. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it. Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he loves a good tease! Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working? Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it wasn't working and be off to the beach! From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... A good question Share. Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a time to address BS head on. I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel compelled to address them. Pretty much as simple as that. That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in that regard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some compassion? From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. I don't think I'd discount that possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
Fleetwoods observation of the Turq as a smallminded, sadistic and creepy looser is easy to applaud. The fact that the Turq is continously lying about posters here year after year points to this fact. He seems desperate to cover the fact that he is failure in any spiritual practise he started and not realizing how easy he is to read. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : No cycle, here at all, Share. I am not attacking Barry, either. I am stating the truth about him. If it appears as an attack, he has only himself to blame. I share a lot more than my observations about Barry, on here, too, as you well know. I have a full life, and as I said to Ann, if I have to raise my voice sometimes, to prevent Barry from peeing on the floor, that is the cost of the discourse I enjoy here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : But Fleetwood, imo it's possible to support the person being attacked without also attacking the attacker. Attacking the attacker just keeps that cycle going. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working? Somewhat disingenuous, don't you think, hanging the reaction to Barry's boorish and insulting behavior, on the sensitivity of meditators? Perhaps he resembles people you know, and hence no big deal. I find him sadistic, small minded, and kind of creepy. He gets exactly what he wants on here. As Edg put so succinctly, Barry is trolling so that others can expose his brokenness. Why that should be a source of amusement to anybody, is beyond me. I also watch him go after people I like on this forum, viciously and disrespectfully, who have done nothing more than offer an opinion, counter to that of his. A real shit, in my book. Anyone who finds this behavior witty, inventive, enlightened, or clever, needs another look in the mirror. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it. Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he loves a good tease! Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working? Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it wasn't working and be off to the beach! From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... A good question Share. Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a time to address BS head on. I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel compelled to address them. Pretty much as simple as that. That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in that regard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some compassion? From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. I don't think I'd discount that possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Fleetwoods observation of the Turq as a smallminded, sadistic and creepy looser is easy to applaud. The fact that the Turq is continously lying about posters here year after year points to this fact. He seems desperate to cover the fact that he is failure in any spiritual practise he started and not realizing how easy he is to read. Prediction: any time now bawee is going to come out with his usual post giving a head count for how many people have been posting about him in the last 24 hours. Then he's going to continue to play his wounded bear act for those who believe such things. For the rest of us we'll just keep interacting with him in a way to show we have some self respect.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
Yep. We are yawning in anticipation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Fleetwoods observation of the Turq as a smallminded, sadistic and creepy looser is easy to applaud. The fact that the Turq is continously lying about posters here year after year points to this fact. He seems desperate to cover the fact that he is failure in any spiritual practise he started and not realizing how easy he is to read. Prediction: any time now bawee is going to come out with his usual post giving a head count for how many people have been posting about him in the last 24 hours. Then he's going to continue to play his wounded bear act for those who believe such things. For the rest of us we'll just keep interacting with him in a way to show we have some self respect.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
Share, I have plenty of issues. Just a few minutes ago I was thinking about the person who smashed the window in my son's car a couple days ago, for what was probably less than a dollar worth of coins. I think if I had caught that person in the act, I would have gotten quite violent with him. So, it made me wonder how much built up anger I have in me. I know my job is quite demanding, and this also can cause of build up of stress. But I try to keep all that front and center and deal with it in an intelligent way. Like right now, I plan on taking an afternoon meditation, and this evening go out to dinner with my wife. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I'm glad you're feeling pretty healthy. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... Share, evidently you do have a different take on it. I'm looking at my experiences day in and day out, and I'm feeling pretty healthy. What you may see as ganging up, may be for other people, just sort of laughing at how ridiculous someone else can be. At this point, I'm not sure how serious anyone can take Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... A good question Share. Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a time to address BS head on. I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel compelled to address them. Pretty much as simple as that. That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in that regard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some compassion? From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. I don't think I'd discount that possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
This Cephus is just setting up a straw man; then knocking him down and feeling pleased with himself. Just take a look at Richard Dawkins debating with the (former) Archbishop of Canterbury at Oxford University. You may or may not think that Dawkins has the better of Rowan Williams but Williams is clearly *not* stupid and doesn't employ any of the ten statements that Cephus castigates. One issue that strikes me about the difference between Barry and myself is that he's American; I'm English. And what kind of difference would that be? Well, in the USA, religion (including fundamentalist versions) is big - indeed it's big business. In the UK, religion is now marginal. It conjures up images of well-meaning but ineffectual Anglican vicars with little input into current societal changes. To me religion is harmless - rather sweet perhaps. To Barry the mention of religion triggers memories of some unresolved trauma from his childhood or adolescence. To Barry it's all about visceral emotion; to me it's all about sweet reason and nuanced reflection. Here's Dawkins/Williams in civilized debate . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq2f5TA2nCs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq2f5TA2nCs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect... 10 Stupid Things Theists Say to Atheists http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/2013/10/09/10-stupid-things-theists-say-atheists/ October 9, 2013 by Cephus http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/author/admin/ http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/author/admin/ http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Say-Something-Stupid.jpg As atheists, we see this kind of thing all the time, really absurd things that are said to us by theists in the midst of a debate or discussion that leave us rolling our eyes. This really isn’t intended so much for the atheist, but for the theist, who really needs to understand that none of these things are going to convince anyone of the validity of their arguments. Maybe that’s okay with them, but maybe, just maybe, they never realized just how pointless any of the following statements actually are. It leaves me wondering if theists are really debating to come to a mutually agreeable conclusion, or if they’re just “debating” to hear themselves talk or see themselves type. And so, in no particular order, these are ten statements that I see routinely from theists that are simply not helping your case, and why. 10. I’ll pray for you… This is totally and completely useless. If you really feel the need to talk to yourself about us, I suppose it’s your time to waste, but this statement really comes off as a final flip of the finger to the atheist when the theist has run out of other arguments. It’s essentially “I’m still right, so there!” It appears to be childish, even if it’s sincere. We don’t want you to pray for us, we want you to be able to defend your beliefs. Maybe you should spend more time worrying about that. 9. The Bible says… We don’t care what the Bible says. In fact, we probably know the Bible better than you do and not only the Bible, but many other religious texts as well. Often, that’s why we’re atheists, because we had the courage and commitment to read the Bible and think about what it actually says. We don’t limit our knowledge to the words on the page though, we often know why it’s there, where it came from and how it came to be accepted by your religion. We’ve engaged in higher criticism of your religious text and can almost certainly show how and why your book isn’t trustworthy. Don’t pretend we’re not well-versed in what your book says, we are. 8. This website says… This is probably even worse than the previous statement because not only does it show that you think we’re not well-versed in all of the standard apologetic arguments, it demonstrate that you are not. If the best you can do is grab a claim off some apologist’s website or YouTube video, there’s really no point in talking to you because clearly, you don’t understand the argument well enough to present your own take on it. I don’t care what William Lane Craig says, I’m not debating William Lane Craig, I’m debating you. Make your own arguments and understand what you’re saying because I absolutely will attack the argument and expect
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
Re But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist.: This Cephus is just setting up a straw man; then knocking him down and feeling pleased with himself. Just take a look at Richard Dawkins debating with the (former) Archbishop of Canterbury at Oxford University. You may or may not think that Dawkins has the better of Rowan Williams but Williams is clearly *not* stupid and doesn't employ any of the ten statements that Cephus castigates. One issue that strikes me about the difference between Barry and myself is that he's American; I'm English. And what kind of difference would that be? Well, in the USA, religion (including fundamentalist versions) is big - indeed it's big business. In the UK, religion is now marginal. It conjures up images of well-meaning but ineffectual Anglican vicars with little input into current societal changes. To me religion is harmless - rather sweet perhaps. To Barry the mention of religion triggers memories of some unresolved trauma from his childhood or adolescence. To Barry it's all about visceral emotion; to me it's all about sweet reason and nuanced reflection. Here's Dawkins/Williams in civilized debate . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq2f5TA2nCs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq2f5TA2nCs
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist.: This Cephus is just setting up a straw man; then knocking him down and feeling pleased with himself. Just take a look at Richard Dawkins debating with the (former) Archbishop of Canterbury at Oxford University. You may or may not think that Dawkins has the better of Rowan Williams but Williams is clearly *not* stupid and doesn't employ any of the ten statements that Cephus castigates. One issue that strikes me about the difference between Barry and myself is that he's American; I'm English. And what kind of difference would that be? Well, in the USA, religion (including fundamentalist versions) is big - indeed it's big business. In the UK, religion is now marginal. It conjures up images of well-meaning but ineffectual Anglican vicars with little input into current societal changes. To me religion is harmless - rather sweet perhaps. To Barry the mention of religion triggers memories of some unresolved trauma from his childhood or adolescence. To Barry it's all about visceral emotion; to me it's all about sweet reason and nuanced reflection. Nice one. I too can view religion with a bit of an outsider's objectivity and don't particularly condemn those who embrace some form of it nor do I run out myself to Sunday mass or Buddhist prayer. There is a lot of aesthetic tradition in some of the older religions. There is a great deal of beauty in the structures erected in the name of glorifying God. The artwork alone is worth much of the counterproductive aspects of religion. It can not quite equal the murder and mayhem done in the name of religion throughout the ages but there is also the other 'up' side. The up side being anyone who takes the time and the trouble to seek a little deeper and learn a little more beyond what they can measure with a ruler or scale or see and hear and touch can be transported into mysteries worth investigating. I also happen to love the smell of frankincense and watching ritual and listening to Evensong in the candlelit mustiness of old churches. Here's Dawkins/Williams in civilized debate . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq2f5TA2nCs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq2f5TA2nCs
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
Yep, here in the US, we call it, baggage.I had considerable involvement with my church - Episcopalian, or bastardized Church of England, aka bastardized Catholicism - Spent a year as an altar boy, at 13, but eventually would literally lose consciousness, in the robes, high humidity, and hundred degree heat of The Philippines - I was a little kid. I also recall the priest admonishing me, for bowing too deeply, during the procession of the cross...note to self... Anyway, got the picture, by the time I was 14, and pursued exclusively non-denominational, spiritual discovery, from that point on. I even recall tossing a priest's cross and vestments, into the Pacific ocean, someplace between Hawaii and the mainland (US) a few years later. Nothing personal, it was a long crossing, originally from Japan, and I was a bored, and stupid teenager, or is stupid teenager redundant? Suffice to say, I was disenchanted with organized religion, a long time ago. My take on God, is that there are two aspects to God. One is the flashy aspect, apparent as what Maharishi called GC, described as perception of the finest relative. Saints, Goddesses, Gods, Angels, and the whole spectrum of subtle life - physical life, molecular life, emotional life, atomic life, subatomic life, and celestial life, too. Beings, and perceptions of reality, that comprise a more comprehensive set of abilities, than we are commonly exposed to, and always available (though as Bhairitu mentioned, distracting, if we maintain our attention there - lots of knowledge, when we need it, but little practical value to the householder, as a constant endeavor). Then there is the non-flashy aspect of God, the Grand Mechanic, the Being that keeps my heart beating, my molecules arranged in an orderly fashion, a perfect balance, in order to grant me life, the universe, and ALL that implies. This orderliness, then extends outwards, from the individually apprehended, pure awareness, ever-present, into all aspects of life, such that God takes over nearly completely. Life becomes as someone said, the next obvious thing. Meeting the next obvious thing head on, means being able to create and respond to, any situation, at all, complete freedom. So, the net result is a lack of worry and concern, beyond a reasonable point; Mother is at home. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist.: This Cephus is just setting up a straw man; then knocking him down and feeling pleased with himself. Just take a look at Richard Dawkins debating with the (former) Archbishop of Canterbury at Oxford University. You may or may not think that Dawkins has the better of Rowan Williams but Williams is clearly *not* stupid and doesn't employ any of the ten statements that Cephus castigates. One issue that strikes me about the difference between Barry and myself is that he's American; I'm English. And what kind of difference would that be? Well, in the USA, religion (including fundamentalist versions) is big - indeed it's big business. In the UK, religion is now marginal. It conjures up images of well-meaning but ineffectual Anglican vicars with little input into current societal changes. To me religion is harmless - rather sweet perhaps. To Barry the mention of religion triggers memories of some unresolved trauma from his childhood or adolescence. To Barry it's all about visceral emotion; to me it's all about sweet reason and nuanced reflection. Here's Dawkins/Williams in civilized debate . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq2f5TA2nCs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq2f5TA2nCs
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
Nice Share. I'll take that under advisement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : thanks, salyavin, you're probably right. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it. Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he loves a good tease! Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working? Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it wasn't working and be off to the beach! From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... A good question Share. Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a time to address BS head on. I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel compelled to address them. Pretty much as simple as that. That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in that regard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some compassion? From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. I don't think I'd discount that possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
Sorry, Steve, my too brief comment was only referring to salyavin, saying he
was probably right that Barry is probably chuckling to himself... I thanked
him for his perspective because it means that I don't have to be concerned
about turq. Also I took it for myself when salyavin made the comment about
lines on air meaning I shouldn't be so sensitive about it all. Also I took it
for myself when he made the comment about gainsaying people here on FFL. I
think you put a lot of thought into your posts. From this incident, I'd say I
could learn something from you in that regard. I hope you accept my apologies.
From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
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Nice Share. I'll take that under advisement.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
thanks, salyavin, you're probably right.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.
Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably
chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he
loves a good tease!
Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it
wasn't working and be off to the beach!
From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience
for theists than I have...
A good question Share.
Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a
time to address BS head on.
I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel
compelled to address them.
Pretty much as simple as that.
That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in
that regard.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some
compassion?
From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for
theists than I have...
My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-)
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
Steve, actually I wasn't thinking about you when I made my initial comment
about unhealthy ganging up. But I was rushing and again replied too briefly
when I responded to your comment about being pretty healthy. It sounds like you
have a rich and real human life which I think often enriches us here on FFL.
Hope you and your wife had a lovely time this evening.
From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience
for theists than I have...
Share, I have plenty of issues. Just a few minutes ago I was thinking
about the person who smashed the window in my son's car a couple days ago, for
what was probably less than a dollar worth of coins.
I think if I had caught that person in the act, I would have gotten quite
violent with him.
So, it made me wonder how much built up anger I have in me.
I know my job is quite demanding, and this also can cause of build up of stress.
But I try to keep all that front and center and deal with it in an intelligent
way.
Like right now, I plan on taking an afternoon meditation, and this evening go
out to dinner with my wife.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Steve, I'm glad you're feeling pretty healthy.
From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience
for theists than I have...
Share, evidently you do have a different take on it.
I'm looking at my experiences day in and day out, and I'm feeling pretty
healthy.
What you may see as ganging up, may be for other people, just sort of laughing
at how ridiculous someone else can be.
At this point, I'm not sure how serious anyone can take Barry.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.
From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience
for theists than I have...
A good question Share.
Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a
time to address BS head on.
I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel
compelled to address them.
Pretty much as simple as that.
That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in
that regard.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some
compassion?
From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for
theists than I have...
My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-)
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
Oh, thanks Share. I tried to get over it, but couldn't. Frail me. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Sorry, Steve, my too brief comment was only referring to salyavin, saying he was probably right that Barry is probably chuckling to himself... I thanked him for his perspective because it means that I don't have to be concerned about turq. Also I took it for myself when salyavin made the comment about lines on air meaning I shouldn't be so sensitive about it all. Also I took it for myself when he made the comment about gainsaying people here on FFL. I think you put a lot of thought into your posts. From this incident, I'd say I could learn something from you in that regard. I hope you accept my apologies. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... Nice Share. I'll take that under advisement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : thanks, salyavin, you're probably right. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it. Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he loves a good tease! Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working? Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it wasn't working and be off to the beach! From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... A good question Share. Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a time to address BS head on. I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel compelled to address them. Pretty much as simple as that. That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in that regard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some compassion? From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. I don't think I'd discount that possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
Thanks Share. I feel remarkably refreshed, coming off a busy week. You might be shocked at some of the preparations going on for Ferguson, some of which we've been a part of. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, actually I wasn't thinking about you when I made my initial comment about unhealthy ganging up. But I was rushing and again replied too briefly when I responded to your comment about being pretty healthy. It sounds like you have a rich and real human life which I think often enriches us here on FFL. Hope you and your wife had a lovely time this evening. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... Share, I have plenty of issues. Just a few minutes ago I was thinking about the person who smashed the window in my son's car a couple days ago, for what was probably less than a dollar worth of coins. I think if I had caught that person in the act, I would have gotten quite violent with him. So, it made me wonder how much built up anger I have in me. I know my job is quite demanding, and this also can cause of build up of stress. But I try to keep all that front and center and deal with it in an intelligent way. Like right now, I plan on taking an afternoon meditation, and this evening go out to dinner with my wife. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I'm glad you're feeling pretty healthy. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... Share, evidently you do have a different take on it. I'm looking at my experiences day in and day out, and I'm feeling pretty healthy. What you may see as ganging up, may be for other people, just sort of laughing at how ridiculous someone else can be. At this point, I'm not sure how serious anyone can take Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... A good question Share. Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a time to address BS head on. I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel compelled to address them. Pretty much as simple as that. That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in that regard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some compassion? From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. I don't think I'd discount that possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
On 11/21/2014 6:46 AM, steve.sundur wrote: or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. /The Last Incarnation f Lord Vishnu killed himself. Something was seriously broken in his life./ I don't think I'd discount that possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) /* */ /* */But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect.../* */ /* 10 Stupid Things Theists Say to Atheists http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/2013/10/09/10-stupid-things-theists-say-atheists/ October 9, 2013 by Cephus http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/author/admin/ http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/author/admin/ Say Something Stupid http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Say-Something-Stupid.jpg As atheists, we see this kind of thing all the time, really absurd things that are said to us by theists in the midst of a debate or discussion that leave us rolling our eyes. This really isn’t intended so much for the atheist, but for the theist, who really needs to understand that none of these things are going to convince anyone of the validity of their arguments. Maybe that’s okay with them, but maybe, just maybe, they never realized just how pointless any of the following statements actually are. It leaves me wondering if theists are really debating to come to a mutually agreeable conclusion, or if they’re just “debating” to hear themselves talk or see themselves type. And so, in no particular order, these are ten statements that I see routinely from theists that are simply not helping your case, and why. 10. /*I’ll pray for you…* / This is totally and completely useless. If you really feel the need to talk to yourself about us, I suppose it’s your time to waste, but this statement really comes off as a final flip of the finger to the atheist when the theist has run out of other arguments. It’s essentially “I’m still right, so there!” It appears to be childish, even if it’s sincere. We don’t want you to pray for us, we want you to be able to defend your beliefs. Maybe you should spend more time worrying about that. 9. /*The Bible says… * /We don’t care what the Bible says. In fact, we probably know the Bible better than you do and not only the Bible, but many other religious texts as well. Often, that’s why we’re atheists, because we had the courage and commitment to read the Bible and think about what it actually says. We don’t limit our knowledge to the words on the page though, we often know why it’s there, where it came from and how it came to be accepted by your religion. We’ve engaged in higher criticism of your religious text and can almost certainly show how and why your book isn’t trustworthy. Don’t pretend we’re not well-versed in what your book says, we are. 8. /*This website says… * /This is probably even worse than the previous statement because not only does it show that you think we’re not well-versed in all of the standard apologetic arguments, it demonstrate that you are not. If the best you can do is grab a claim off some apologist’s website or YouTube video, there’s really no point in talking to you because clearly, you don’t understand the argument well enough to present your own take on it. I don’t care what William Lane Craig says, I’m not debating William Lane Craig, I’m debating you. Make your own arguments and understand what you’re saying because I absolutely will attack the argument and expect you to defend it. 7. /*You can’t prove God doesn’t exist… * /No I can’t, it’s not my job to do so. It’s yours. You’re the one claiming that God is real, it rests solely on your shoulders to prove it. After all, you can’t prove that Krishna doesn’t exist, does that mean that the Hindus are right and Krishna does? You can’t prove that unicorns exist, does that make them real? The burden of proof is always on the individual who makes the positive claim. Most atheists do not claim God does not exist, they just reject your claim that he does based on lack of corroboratory evidence. 6. /*You really believe in God, but… * /Theists make this statement to make themselves feel better, it has no critical validity. It is a form of the argument from ignorance, where a statement is made, not because there’s evidence that it’s so, but because the individual can’t come up with a better argument. You don’t
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
Steve, I've seen some headlines about it but haven't read the articles. Something about the policeman maybe resigning. Is there still a lot of unrest going on? How have you all been involved? Do you think that the incident with your son's car was part of some spillover from Ferguson? From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... Thanks Share. I feel remarkably refreshed, coming off a busy week. You might be shocked at some of the preparations going on for Ferguson, some of which we've been a part of. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, actually I wasn't thinking about you when I made my initial comment about unhealthy ganging up. But I was rushing and again replied too briefly when I responded to your comment about being pretty healthy. It sounds like you have a rich and real human life which I think often enriches us here on FFL. Hope you and your wife had a lovely time this evening. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... Share, I have plenty of issues. Just a few minutes ago I was thinking about the person who smashed the window in my son's car a couple days ago, for what was probably less than a dollar worth of coins. I think if I had caught that person in the act, I would have gotten quite violent with him. So, it made me wonder how much built up anger I have in me. I know my job is quite demanding, and this also can cause of build up of stress. But I try to keep all that front and center and deal with it in an intelligent way. Like right now, I plan on taking an afternoon meditation, and this evening go out to dinner with my wife. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I'm glad you're feeling pretty healthy. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... Share, evidently you do have a different take on it. I'm looking at my experiences day in and day out, and I'm feeling pretty healthy. What you may see as ganging up, may be for other people, just sort of laughing at how ridiculous someone else can be. At this point, I'm not sure how serious anyone can take Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... A good question Share. Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a time to address BS head on. I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel compelled to address them. Pretty much as simple as that. That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in that regard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some compassion? From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. I don't think I'd discount that possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-) Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect... #yiv9726332710
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
On 11/21/2014 7:09 AM, Share Long wrote: Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it. /Apparently you just don't understand Barry - this is what he wants; all the attention. If nobody responded to his messages, he would probably get even more depressed. He probably gets a good laugh seeing everyone piling on - that's how he thinks he is winning - it's all about winning, Share. //We just want to make Barry happy./ /Besides, he doesn't read our posts anyway, remember?/ *From:* steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... A good question Share. Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a time to address BS head on. I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel compelled to address them. Pretty much as simple as that. That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in that regard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some compassion? *From:* fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. I don't think I'd discount that possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) /* */ /* */But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect.../* */ /*
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part of our business is selling industrial and hardware supplies. one of our customers took delivery today of two tractor trailer loads of plywood and other lumber, (not through us, although we sold them other things). We also do business with one of the police departments, who had rush orders today of supplies pertaining to possible contingencies, and we have been told to be on standby. I don't think my son's incident was related. As I've mentioned before, our business is located next to many service organizations, (where my son has his apt), so he probably had some coins visible. I told him to be more careful, or just leave the danged car unlocked! A policeman lives behind us, and we talk to him regularly. He says he never locks his car for that very reason. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I've seen some headlines about it but haven't read the articles. Something about the policeman maybe resigning. Is there still a lot of unrest going on? How have you all been involved? Do you think that the incident with your son's car was part of some spillover from Ferguson? From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... Thanks Share. I feel remarkably refreshed, coming off a busy week. You might be shocked at some of the preparations going on for Ferguson, some of which we've been a part of. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, actually I wasn't thinking about you when I made my initial comment about unhealthy ganging up. But I was rushing and again replied too briefly when I responded to your comment about being pretty healthy. It sounds like you have a rich and real human life which I think often enriches us here on FFL. Hope you and your wife had a lovely time this evening. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... Share, I have plenty of issues. Just a few minutes ago I was thinking about the person who smashed the window in my son's car a couple days ago, for what was probably less than a dollar worth of coins. I think if I had caught that person in the act, I would have gotten quite violent with him. So, it made me wonder how much built up anger I have in me. I know my job is quite demanding, and this also can cause of build up of stress. But I try to keep all that front and center and deal with it in an intelligent way. Like right now, I plan on taking an afternoon meditation, and this evening go out to dinner with my wife. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I'm glad you're feeling pretty healthy. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... Share, evidently you do have a different take on it. I'm looking at my experiences day in and day out, and I'm feeling pretty healthy. What you may see as ganging up, may be for other people, just sort of laughing at how ridiculous someone else can be. At this point, I'm not sure how serious anyone can take Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... A good question Share. Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a time to address BS head on. I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel compelled to address them. Pretty much as simple as that. That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in that regard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some compassion? From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet. /For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's his game. Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says//- he's never accomplished a damn thing, so far as I can tell./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've
got brand new tires.
From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience
for theists than I have...
On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about
it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.
For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past
ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry.
The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's
his game.
Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's never accomplished a damn
thing, so far as I can tell.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
Steve, I never thought of it that way, but can see how it would make sense to leave the car unlocked. It sounds like you all are right in the middle of it, at least from one perspective. I can't imagine how it must feel there. Find myself wondering if the holidays and colder weather will change the situation significantly. Wondering too if people are struggling financially, always harder at this time of year. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... part of our business is selling industrial and hardware supplies. one of our customers took delivery today of two tractor trailer loads of plywood and other lumber, (not through us, although we sold them other things). We also do business with one of the police departments, who had rush orders today of supplies pertaining to possible contingencies, and we have been told to be on standby. I don't think my son's incident was related. As I've mentioned before, our business is located next to many service organizations, (where my son has his apt), so he probably had some coins visible. I told him to be more careful, or just leave the danged car unlocked! A policeman lives behind us, and we talk to him regularly. He says he never locks his car for that very reason. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I've seen some headlines about it but haven't read the articles. Something about the policeman maybe resigning. Is there still a lot of unrest going on? How have you all been involved? Do you think that the incident with your son's car was part of some spillover from Ferguson? From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... Thanks Share. I feel remarkably refreshed, coming off a busy week. You might be shocked at some of the preparations going on for Ferguson, some of which we've been a part of. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, actually I wasn't thinking about you when I made my initial comment about unhealthy ganging up. But I was rushing and again replied too briefly when I responded to your comment about being pretty healthy. It sounds like you have a rich and real human life which I think often enriches us here on FFL. Hope you and your wife had a lovely time this evening. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... Share, I have plenty of issues. Just a few minutes ago I was thinking about the person who smashed the window in my son's car a couple days ago, for what was probably less than a dollar worth of coins. I think if I had caught that person in the act, I would have gotten quite violent with him. So, it made me wonder how much built up anger I have in me. I know my job is quite demanding, and this also can cause of build up of stress. But I try to keep all that front and center and deal with it in an intelligent way. Like right now, I plan on taking an afternoon meditation, and this evening go out to dinner with my wife. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I'm glad you're feeling pretty healthy. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... Share, evidently you do have a different take on it. I'm looking at my experiences day in and day out, and I'm feeling pretty healthy. What you may see as ganging up, may be for other people, just sort of laughing at how ridiculous someone else can be. At this point, I'm not sure how serious anyone can take Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... A good question Share. Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a time to address BS head on. I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it. On 11/21/2014 7:21 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he loves a good tease! /You just wasted a chance to post a critical comment about Barry's claims of witnessing human levitation. So you and Barry have both been discredited - all that talk about science was just bullshit - you two are in fact, the True Believer//s. Go figure./ Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working? /Non sequitur./ Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it wasn't working and be off to the beach! /Non sequitur./ *From:* steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... A good question Share. Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a time to address BS head on. I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel compelled to address them. Pretty much as simple as that. That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in that regard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some compassion? *From:* fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. I don't think I'd discount that possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) /* */ /* */But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect.../* */ /*
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On 11/21/2014 8:13 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it. Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably chuckling to himself over his cappuccino. I know him well enough to know he loves a good tease! */Busted. And worse, it's a fair cop. :-)/* Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working? Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it wasn't working and be off to the beach! */It's still a bit frosty here for beach weather, but (strangely enough, given what I read about weather in other parts of the world), it's still warm enough that I am comfortable here on the outdoor terrace of one of my favorite pubs...and in mid-November. This kind of weather is simply unheard-of in the Netherlands, so I'm far from the only person here. /* */ /* */But I've probably lost the thread...what were we talking about? :-)/* /We were talking about you not being able to get a date on Saturday night and why you're sending messages to us, instead of having a fun social life at your favorite pub. / *From:* steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... A good question Share. Here's the short answer. There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a time to address BS head on. I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel compelled to address them. Pretty much as simple as that. That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in that regard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some compassion? *From:* fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. I don't think I'd discount that possibility. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) /* */ /* */But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect.../* */ /*
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I mean, you'd like to think that you don't have to work so hard to keep your belongings safe, but it's such a hassle and expense to replace car glass. Kinda like that ebola thing, I am vigilant not to get caught up in all the hype about the announcement. I am glad though, that the weather has turned decidedly cooler, and that the holiday is approaching. What has become worrisome, is not so much what might happen in Ferguson, but rather the increase in random violence in the form of shootings. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I never thought of it that way, but can see how it would make sense to leave the car unlocked. It sounds like you all are right in the middle of it, at least from one perspective. I can't imagine how it must feel there. Find myself wondering if the holidays and colder weather will change the situation significantly. Wondering too if people are struggling financially, always harder at this time of year. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... part of our business is selling industrial and hardware supplies. one of our customers took delivery today of two tractor trailer loads of plywood and other lumber, (not through us, although we sold them other things). We also do business with one of the police departments, who had rush orders today of supplies pertaining to possible contingencies, and we have been told to be on standby. I don't think my son's incident was related. As I've mentioned before, our business is located next to many service organizations, (where my son has his apt), so he probably had some coins visible. I told him to be more careful, or just leave the danged car unlocked! A policeman lives behind us, and we talk to him regularly. He says he never locks his car for that very reason. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I've seen some headlines about it but haven't read the articles. Something about the policeman maybe resigning. Is there still a lot of unrest going on? How have you all been involved? Do you think that the incident with your son's car was part of some spillover from Ferguson? From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... Thanks Share. I feel remarkably refreshed, coming off a busy week. You might be shocked at some of the preparations going on for Ferguson, some of which we've been a part of. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, actually I wasn't thinking about you when I made my initial comment about unhealthy ganging up. But I was rushing and again replied too briefly when I responded to your comment about being pretty healthy. It sounds like you have a rich and real human life which I think often enriches us here on FFL. Hope you and your wife had a lovely time this evening. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... Share, I have plenty of issues. Just a few minutes ago I was thinking about the person who smashed the window in my son's car a couple days ago, for what was probably less than a dollar worth of coins. I think if I had caught that person in the act, I would have gotten quite violent with him. So, it made me wonder how much built up anger I have in me. I know my job is quite demanding, and this also can cause of build up of stress. But I try to keep all that front and center and deal with it in an intelligent way. Like right now, I plan on taking an afternoon meditation, and this evening go out to dinner with my wife. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I'm glad you're feeling pretty healthy. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... Share, evidently you do have a different take on it. I'm looking at my experiences day in and day out, and I'm feeling pretty healthy. What you may see as ganging up, may be for other people, just sort of laughing at how ridiculous someone else can be. At this point, I'm not sure how serious anyone can take Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here. I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service. If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it. After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure. Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. Every day. Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not. It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've got brand new tires. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet. For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's his game. Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's never accomplished a damn thing, so far as I can tell. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.
