--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Bear in mind that there's nobody on this forum in a
position to defend the ME studies. It's easy to make
folks think you've debunked
Response below.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Personality issues should not enter
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Science succeeds or fails as a public enterprise. Its conventions
are agreed to by all. Like the justice system, it is as flawed as
the people who practice it; science sometimes fails in the same way
that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
*If* there really is a Maharishi Effect, it's hard to
see how it could be considered anything less than a tragedy
that the project and the study had no impact.
I start to agree, then I wonder how
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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*If* there really is a Maharishi Effect, it's hard to
see how it could be considered anything less than a tragedy
that the project
--- markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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*If* there really is a Maharishi Effect, it's
hard to
see how it could
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Perhaps MMY has Cosmic ADHD? ;-)
Like a stick through water, perhaps. A minute later, what stick?
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--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
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Perhaps MMY has Cosmic ADHD? ;-)
Like a stick through water, perhaps. A minute later,
what stick?
Exactly! Who told you to use the stick? At least it's
not Alzheimers where you
--- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
LB, your last post in this thread was truncated, so I
couldn't include it, but I wanted to compliment you on
your observations. As you note, science is, at its
best, an international, public discourse. I can
understand MIU's reluctance to hand over the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Perhaps MMY has Cosmic ADHD? ;-)
Like a stick through water, perhaps. A minute later,
what stick?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
LB, your last post in this thread was truncated, so I
couldn't include it, but I wanted to compliment you on
your observations. As you note, science is, at its
best, an
--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Thus, its critical to make the full original dataset
available to
other researchers to test the hypothesis via their
approach to model
specification and selection. If a suboptimal
specification were chosen
by the original researchers,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Thus, its critical to make the full original dataset
available to
other researchers to test the hypothesis via their
approach to model
specification and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
snip
Thus, its critical to make the full original dataset available to
other researchers to test the hypothesis via their approach to
model specification and selection.
Just to make sure several different things don't
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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Unfortunately the TMO is not interersted in having its
ME research looked at because they know it is not
robust. It's a very faint whisper of pattern in a sea
of random noise that can only be seen if you look at
it in
on 11/11/05 11:44 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And in good science this discourse goes back and forth
with re-analysis of data, arguments for and against
stated conclusions and out of this seeming mess really
good, scientific advances come about. (On a side note,
if you follow the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Since the publication of ME research, it has not, to my knowledge,
generated any non-TMO reasreach or funding. That speaks to the
strength and credibility of the original research.
It speaks at least as much to the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Since the publication of ME research, it has not, to my knowledge,
generated any non-TMO reasreach or funding. That speaks to the
strength and credibility of the original research.
One additional point: It isn't
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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Thus, its critical to make the full original dataset available to
other researchers to test the hypothesis via their approach to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
on 11/11/05 11:44 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And in good science this discourse goes back and forth
with re-analysis of data, arguments for and against
stated conclusions and out of this seeming mess
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thus, its critical to make the full original dataset
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
on 11/11/05 11:44 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And in good science this discourse goes back and forth
with re-analysis of
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the
DC study
A realistic impact of the course/study would have been to inspire
some other group of academics or public policy people to investigate
further
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
LB, your last post in this thread was truncated, so I
couldn't include it, but I wanted to compliment you on
your observations. As you note, science is, at its
best, an
On Nov 11, 2005, at 10:20 PM, sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
LB, your last post in this thread was truncated, so I
couldn't include it, but I wanted to compliment you on
your observations. As
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Thus, its critical to make the full original dataset
available to
other
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
on 11/11/05 11:44 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And in good science this discourse goes back and forth
with re-analysis of data, arguments for and against
stated conclusions and out of this seeming mess
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
on 11/11/05 11:44 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 11, 2005, at 10:20 PM, sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
LB, your last post in this thread was truncated, so I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But he hasn't seen the study. It used highly
sopisticated statistical methodology, and I don't
think it's even possible to speculate about
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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They never even considered looking at nonviolent
crime. That isn't what they were out to prove.
But they WOULD have mentioned it if the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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But he hasn't seen the study. It used highly
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
markmeredith2002
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Does someone have a link for the published study so we
can all look at the methodolgy section?
It isn't on the Web (or we'd have been looking at it long
since).
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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But he hasn't seen the study. It used highly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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They never even considered looking at nonviolent
crime.
authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In other words, I don't believe akasha is in a
position even to guess at flaws in the study or to
say the results didn't reflect the reality unless he
knows *exactly* what methodology the researchers
used. He has to be able to see the published study
Akasha, did they use an interupted time series
analysis? I'm assuming with my baby stats background
that this would have been appropriate.
--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In other words, I don't believe akasha is in a
position even to guess at
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Akasha, did they use an interupted time series
analysis? I'm assuming with my baby stats background
that this would have been appropriate.
Yes, it appears they used an ARIMA / Box-Jenkins model. Which is
efficient for
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
snip
On the same token, I suppose its hard for you to defend the study
without having it at hand.
I'm not defending the study, as you must know
if you've been reading my posts.
(Just curious, did you read the full
authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not at all sure he can come up with his own
method, run all the numbers, get different results,
and on that basis, without knowing what methodology
they were using, say there was something wrong with
their results.
I guess, if thats
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not at all sure he can come up with his own
method, run all the numbers, get different results,
and on that basis, without knowing what methodology
they were
akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not at all sure he can come up with his own
method, run all the numbers, get different results,
and on that basis, without knowing what methodology
they were using, say there was something wrong with
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jamshad Ghanbar
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I need a favor
Do you have access to a good quality picture of the 1993 peace
creating group in Washington DC by any chance ?
Please inform me on that and if possible attach the poster and mail
it
All the best
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver
[...]
At this point, it would take a separate study, beginning from the raw
stats, to see if such a
reduction was obvious. As I said before, quite a lot of massaging
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Personality issues should not enter into it and MIU should have
honored a request from an adjacent and major university.
It would have been a little like handing him a gun
so he could shoot them.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Personality issues should not enter into it and MIU should have
honored a request from an adjacent and major university.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Personality issues should not enter into it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Personality issues should not enter into it and MIU should
have honored a request from an adjacent and major
university.
Back in December, 1983, Maharishi arrived for the
Taste of Utopia Course.
That evening, the temperature in Fairfield plunged to about 15
degrees below zero;
The local press, made a big deal of all the meditators, standing
outside the dome, in the freezing temperatures, for a glimpse of
The coldest it got was 25 below. When you walked in
the snow it sqweeked.
--- Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Back in December, 1983, Maharishi arrived for the
Taste of Utopia Course.
That evening, the temperature in Fairfield plunged
to about 15
degrees below zero;
The local
On Nov 9, 2005, at 12:15 AM, authfriend wrote:It's important to understanding the study. It's being used as a way to suggest they changed things around after seeing the data to get a better result, which isn't what happened. And you're using it to construct all kinds of speculations about
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
LB, (or anyone familiar with the study)
Per your prior note,
What was added in the 25% second round of analysis, relative to the
first round, the 17% results? Was it the weather variables or Index?
Or was
On Nov 8, 2005, at 10:54 PM, akasha_108 wrote:You don't see how possibly "a single well constructed model would control for weather, sociological and crime-factor variabes, and the intervention variable, ALL AT THE SAME TIME."? If you don't understand this, then what can I say. You have no
On Nov 9, 2005, at 12:03 AM, sparaig wrote: So what's going to be the practical result of all these half or 3/4 baked M-effect studies? Millionaires giving MMY lots of money? The birth of a really creative marketing tool: make people think they are actually getting a meditation technique that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver
[EMAIL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
The FBI uniform crime statistics were used for the study. The data
is publicly available from the FBI, but not the researchers, a
chief
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 9, 2005, at 12:15 AM, authfriend wrote:
It's important to understanding the study. It's being
used as a way to suggest they changed things around
after seeing the data to get a better result, which isn't
what
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
LB, (or anyone familiar with the study)
Per your prior note,
What was added in the 25% second round of analysis, relative to
the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 9, 2005, at 12:03 AM, sparaig wrote:
So what's going to be the practical result of all these half or
3/4
baked M-effect studies?
Millionaires giving MMY lots of money?
The birth of a really creative
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Personally, I thought the course was a great experience. I doubt if
anyone outside the
course even remembers it. Certainly it is not
On Nov 9, 2005, at 8:06 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 9, 2005, at 12:03 AM, sparaig wrote: So what's going to be the practical result of all these half or 3/4 baked M-effect studies?Millionaires giving MMY lots of money? The
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 9, 2005, at 12:15 AM, authfriend wrote:
It's important to understanding the study. It's being
used as a way to suggest they changed things around
after seeing the data to get a better result, which isn't
what
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
PANDITS HAD BEEN PART OF THE ORIGINAL PROTOCOL.
They were not any part of the protocol that was made
public, nor any part of the discussion and planning
by the independent review board that was made public.
I got
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 8, 2005, at 10:54 PM, akasha_108 wrote:
You don't see how possibly a
single well constructed model would control for weather,
sociological and crime-factor variabes, and the intervention
variable, ALL AT THE SAME
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Why do you think they MIU researchers refused to share their raw
data with the University of Iowa?
As Judy pointed out,that was for the Jerusalem
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
PANDITS HAD BEEN PART OF THE ORIGINAL PROTOCOL.
They were not any part of the protocol that was made
public, nor any part of the
On Nov 9, 2005, at 9:29 AM, authfriend wrote:I'm also on the record many times as saying that even if the ME *does* exist, I don't think it can be conclusively demonstrated scientifically. Well, two comments. One, I think it can be demonstrated and has--but it was not called the "Maharishi
on 11/9/05 4:41 AM, Robert Gimbel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Back in December, 1983, Maharishi arrived for the
Taste of Utopia Course.
That evening, the temperature in Fairfield plunged to about 15
degrees below zero;
The local press, made a big deal of all the meditators, standing
outside
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Why do you think they MIU researchers refused to
share their raw
data with the University of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
PANDITS HAD BEEN PART OF THE ORIGINAL PROTOCOL.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 9, 2005, at 9:29 AM, authfriend wrote:
I'm also on the record many times as saying that even
if the ME *does* exist, I don't think it can be
conclusively demonstrated scientifically.
Well, two comments.
How
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Why do you think
On Nov 9, 2005, at 12:19 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 9, 2005, at 9:29 AM, authfriend wrote: I'm also on the record many times as saying that even if the ME *does* exist, I don't think it can be conclusively demonstrated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 9, 2005, at 12:19 PM, authfriend wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 9, 2005, at 9:29 AM, authfriend wrote:
I'm also on the record many times as saying that
On Nov 9, 2005, at 1:05 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 9, 2005, at 12:19 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Nov 9, 2005, at 9:29 AM, authfriend wrote: I'm also on the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 9, 2005, at 1:05 PM, authfriend wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 9, 2005, at 12:19 PM, authfriend wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL
The latest round of tag team wrestling on FFL. Soon
Irmeli and I will jump in for you!
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 9, 2005, at 1:42 PM, authfriend wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 9, 2005, at 1:05 PM, authfriend wrote:
On Nov 9, 2005, at 2:10 PM, Peter wrote:The latest round of tag team wrestling on FFL. Soon Irmeli and I will jump in for you! Since Barry disappeared, it was inevitable. I'll remember to bring the Jello next time.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 9, 2005, at 1:42 PM, authfriend wrote:
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Akasha, as you know, was responding to something I
had said, hence your comment appeared designed to
include me as one of the TBs you proceeded to
viciously attack.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 9, 2005, at 2:10 PM, Peter wrote:
The latest round of tag team wrestling on FFL. Soon
Irmeli and I will jump in for you!
Since Barry disappeared, it was inevitable.
Yeah, Vaj, you just couldn't bear to see me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
The latest round of tag team wrestling on FFL. Soon
Irmeli and I will jump in for you!
Sorry if it offends you, Peter, but there's entirely
too much indiscriminate bashing with the scornful TB
label of those who don't happen
On Nov 9, 2005, at 2:36 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 9, 2005, at 2:10 PM, Peter wrote: The latest round of tag team wrestling on FFL. Soon Irmeli and I will jump in for you! Since Barry disappeared, it was inevitable. Yeah,
Vaj commented:
This is a constant in the TB mentality: *sound* like you know
what
you are talking about and hope that if you repeat it many times,
people will believe you. I find this to be a rather common
phenom in
movement type and it is a subtle and continuous form of
disinformation.
It doesn't offend me, Judy. I recognize that it has
much more importance for the participants then anyone
else. And I certainly have done the same thing many
times especially with Akasha and most recently with
Irmeli. I was attemting to inject a little levity into
the situation.
--- authfriend
On Nov 9, 2005, at 2:46 PM, tazarmfune wrote:Vaj commented: This is a constant in the TB mentality: *sound* like you know what you are talking about and hope that if you repeat it many times, people will believe you. I find this to be a rather common phenom in movement type and it is a subtle
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The latest round of tag team wrestling on FFL. Soon
Irmeli and I will jump in for you!
Also, can you guys adopt wrestler-type nicknames, like these:
http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/jasonsite/nicknames.html
It'll be a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 9, 2005, at 2:36 PM, authfriend wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 9, 2005, at 2:10 PM, Peter wrote:
The latest round of tag team wrestling on FFL. Soon
Irmeli and I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver
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Personally, I thought the course was a great
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 9, 2005, at 8:06 AM, sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 9, 2005, at 12:03 AM, sparaig wrote:
So what's going to be the practical result of all
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 9, 2005, at 12:15 AM, authfriend wrote:
It's important to understanding the study. It's being
used as a way to suggest they
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver
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PANDITS HAD BEEN PART OF THE ORIGINAL PROTOCOL.
They were not any part of the protocol that was made
public, nor any part of the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Why do you think they MIU researchers refused to share their
raw
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver
[...]
At this point, it would take a separate study, beginning from the raw
stats, to see if such a
reduction was obvious. As I said before, quite a lot of massaging was
required afterwards
to make the data look good.
That may or may not
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 9, 2005, at 9:29 AM, authfriend wrote:
I'm also on the record many times as saying that even
if the ME *does* exist, I don't think it can be
conclusively demonstrated scientifically.
Well, two comments. One, I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In any published paper the methodology and the type of
statistical analysis along with the rational for that
particular analysis used is discussed in the paper. My
understanding is that Markovsky wanted to see the raw
data
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Then they discovered he was making derogatory public
comments to the media and was strongly biased *against*
the whole enterprise. When he
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