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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 4:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
That probably had a lot to do with it!
On 09-26, Edna Taylor
. Take me home. I want to die on my couch.
So that's what he did.
Terri
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From: [1]Lorrie
To: [2]felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
I
I have no family to care for me, but do have very close friends. I have left
instructions with them about my care at the end and what to do for my cats.
Will have to re write to include DNR and give fluids. I have picked out a
place for my cats and provided in my will for their care and
to die on my couch.
So that's what he did.
Terri
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From: [1]Lorrie
To: [2]felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
I guess your mom requested no tubes
.
So that's what he did.
Terri
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From: [1]Lorrie
To: [2]felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
I guess your mom requested no tubes, and this is why she only
got morphine
: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
I guess your mom requested no tubes, and this is why she only
got morphine. I'm sure glad she had that. Hospice is usually
very generous with it, whereas hospitals aren't. Never go to
a hospital to die. They do everything they can to keep you alive
] Euthanasia
COULD GET EATEN BY A MOUNTAIN LION IN THE MOUNTAINS. HE MIGHT MISTAKE YOU FOR
PREY. MY LION JUST VISITS EVERY SO OFTEN. HE IS ON A DEER TRAIL AND WE TALK
FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES AND THEN HE SAUNTERS ACROSS THE ROAD. HE/SHE IS SO
CLOSE THAT TO RUN WOULD BE FATAL. STANDING STILL
On 09-25, Marcia wrote:
My 3 other siblings and I took care of my Mom for 3 weeks while she died
at home. Her request(: hospice said no fluid, so she laid there with
nothing all that time, struggling to breath, to swallow. Etc. I only cried
one time during that 3 weeks, because I had a job
My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids.
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On Sep 26, 2012, at 5:43 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
On 09-25, Marcia wrote:
My 3 other siblings and I took care of my Mom for 3 weeks while
...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 9:24 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids.
Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised
No fluids? WHAT? they won't let someone die via assistance but it's OKAY to
let them suffer without fluids? That is wrong on SO many levels :(
From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 08:24:19 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
My mom
] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 9:24 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids.
Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas
2010.
On Sep 26, 2012, at 5:43 AM
I guess your mom requested no tubes, and this is why she only
got morphine. I'm sure glad she had that. Hospice is usually
very generous with it, whereas hospitals aren't. Never go to
a hospital to die. They do everything they can to keep you alive
and they never give patients enough pain
They just want to get as much MONEY from the family and their insurance company
as they can :(
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 12:57:47 -0400
From: felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
I guess your mom requested no tubes, and this is why she
: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
I guess your mom requested no tubes, and this is why she only
got morphine. I'm sure glad she had that. Hospice is usually
very generous with it, whereas hospitals aren't. Never go to
a hospital to die. They do everything they can to keep you alive
and they never give
Hospitals aren't good at palliative care. It wasn't that my Mom requested no
tubes, it was that Hospice didn't want her to have fluids. They said it would
make her uncomfortable. I went toe to toe with that lady. Her Dr said she could
have fluids, hospice said no.
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On Sep
- Original Message -
From: Lorrie
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
I guess your mom requested no tubes, and this is why she only
got morphine. I'm sure glad she had that. Hospice is usually
very generous
That probably had a lot to do with it!
On 09-26, Edna Taylor wrote:
They just want to get as much MONEY from the family and their insurance
company as they can :(
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Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
I guess your mom requested no tubes, and this is why she only
got morphine. I'm sure glad she had that. Hospice is usually
very generous with it, whereas
On 09-26, Marcia wrote:
Hospitals aren't good at palliative care. It wasn't that my Mom requested
no tubes, it was that Hospice didn't want her to have fluids. They said it
would make her uncomfortable. I went toe to toe with that lady. Her Dr
said she could have fluids, hospice said no.
: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
On 09-26, Marcia wrote:
Hospitals aren't good at palliative care. It wasn't that my Mom
requested no tubes, it was that Hospice didn't want her to have
fluids. They said it would make her uncomfortable. I went toe to toe
with that lady. Her Dr said she could have fluids
...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 4:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
That probably had a lot to do with it!
On 09-26, Edna Taylor wrote:
They just want to get as much MONEY from the family and their insurance
Hello Everyone!
Fellow FELV+ owner and advocate hoping to get some help for some
positive adults and kittens in danger of being put to sleep.
I heard about this group of kitties from The Cat Shack, a non-profit
rescue group out of Trexlertown, Pennsylvania, see a bit on their
organization
i'm thinking--hoping--she means BYlaw of the rescue group i've heard
that some shelters have very specific regulations that rescues working with
them have to abide by. ::: snark
in your spare time, you could contact them and find out, huh? fleaing
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at
. CONTACT INFORMATION IS LISTED BELOW!
URGENT!!! Please help! 1 Feline leukemia kitten at risk of euthanasia. 5
kittens rescued and fostered from the Jefferson Parish SPCA. All of the
kittens are fully vaccinated, spayed and tested. One of the kittens (named
Indigo) tested positive for feline
IS LISTED BELOW!
URGENT!!! Please help! 1 Feline leukemia kitten at risk of euthanasia. 5
kittens rescued and fostered from the Jefferson Parish SPCA. All of the
kittens are fully vaccinated, spayed and tested. One of the kittens (named
Indigo) tested positive for feline leukemia. By law, the animal
I do not often get offended by this list, and I know I am in a bad state to
begin with. But I really take offense at this thing people always say, which
at least one of you has said to me in my questioning what to do about
euthanasia, that I need to ask if I am keeping her here for me
in a bad state
to begin with. But I really take offense at this thing people always say,
which at least one of you has said to me in my questioning what to do about
euthanasia, that I need to ask if I am keeping her here for me or for her.
We are talking about ending a life. Believe me, if I could
... . i DO believe
that euthanasia is often the final gift that we can give them in
return for all they have given us--the most profound thing i've ever
been told is that it's better to send them home one day too soon than
10 minutes too late. sometimes the act of leaving the body behind is
soft and quiet
My Beloved Group,
First of all, I'm sorry I haven't been able to participate fully in the
group this last couple of weeks. I love you all, but for the last
couple of days, I haven't even been able bring myself to read the
posts. I'm physically and emotionally exhausted by Grace and my last
Nina, I am so sorry. I do not think lack of fat makes veins smaller or harder to find, so though I may be wrong, I do not think that should be a concern. You know how I am, though, I do not think I would do it at all since she does not seem to be in active pain. I do think the annoyed look she
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Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Question about Euthanasia and my Grace
My Beloved Group,
First of all, I'm sorry I haven't been able to participate fully in the
group this last couple of weeks. I love you all
have followed your posts about
Grace.
Kat (Mew Jersey)
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005, Nina wrote:
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 07:18:15 -0700
From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Question about Euthanasia and my Grace
My Beloved Group
Michelle,
Thank you so much for answering my post. When I was struggling with
gathering the energy it took to actually write, I was thinking of you.
I wanted your opinion about this. I wish I were braver. Funny, isn't
it, I always think of myself as strong and brave, but when it comes to
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Question about Euthanasia and my Grace
My Beloved Group,
First of all, I'm sorry I haven't been able to participate fully in the
group this last couple of weeks. I love you all, but for the last
couple of days, I haven't even been able bring myself
Nina,
I'm so sorry you're going through this right now, it's so hard. If you're worried about them finding a vein, you could request that they inject her parenterally, that's how my vet helped Ninja - no worried or stress about finding a vein and using an IV, just a shot.Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Question about Euthanasia and my Grace
My Beloved Group,
First of all, I'm sorry I haven't been able to participate fully in the
group this last couple of weeks. I love you all
Hello, Barb, thank you. What does parenterally mean exactly? Is that
subq, IM?
N
Barb Moermond wrote:
Nina,
I'm so sorry you're going through this right now, it's so hard. If
you're worried about them finding a vein, you could request that they
inject her parenterally, that's how my vet
I had to look up the exact meaning myself http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=parenteral
it's an injection into the abdomen, but not into any organ within the abdomen
Ninja winced a bit with the initial needle entry, but that was it. Unfortunately, she was so ill, intestinal lymphoma, that
Nina,
That is true just the shot would be so much better can you make an appointment for Friday, so at least you have some more good bye time.
CherieBarb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nina,
I'm so sorry you're going through this right now, it's so hard. If you're worried about them finding a
Thanks Cherie,
I just called my Internist's office and they will be able to squeeze me
in tomorrow at 9:30. I know you all know how this feels. The final
moment, the realization that there's nothing left to do, nothing left to
try. How can a heart break over and over again?
N
Cherie A
Because your heart is big enough and flexible enough to love over and over again.Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks Cherie,I just called my Internist's office and they will be able to squeeze me in tomorrow at 9:30. I know you all know how this feels. The final moment, the realization that
Hi all,
I'm going through this same thing and am so grateful
for all the experience and calmness on this subject.
And Nina, I don't feel so crazy since reading how you
are feeling the same way.
My cat MacKenzie is not positive, but he is dying.
His breathing is mostly quieter now, but very
Thank you Janine for letting me know what's going on with you and
MacKenzie. The picture you paint makes me see your MacKenzie as if he's
in front of my eyes, and not just in my mind. Your sharing this with
us, somehow makes me feel a little less alone.
I'm so torn about this decision.
Nina,
A Grace and all our furrbabies heal the broken hearts, then when they leave us they tend to break all over again...Are they going to come to your house, so you do not have to move her?
Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks Cherie,I just called my Internist's office and they will be able to
Janine,
I am sorry to hear about MacKenzie, it is so hard and hurts so much, be strong for him, he needs you now.
Cheriejanine paton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all, I'm going through this same thing and am so gratefulfor all the experience and calmness on this subject. And Nina, I don't feel so
Nina wrote:
Can anyone tell me how difficult it is to
put an animal to sleep in an emaciated condition?
Dear Nina,
You would want the vet to be VERY CAREFUL. One of my positive
kitties, my beloved little shy golden turkish angora kitty, Katyusha,
had a very painful death - I think -
Nina, my heart breaks for you. I have been through the same situation recently with my Bubba and I know watching them leave is harder than actually losing them. I felt so guilty when he died for having feelings of relief when it was over. Seeing our babies suffer from this terrible disease is
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:30 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Question about Euthanasia and my Grace
Thank you Janine for letting me know what's going on with you and
MacKenzie. The picture you paint makes me see your
: Thursday, September 22, 2005 8:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Question about Euthanasia and my Grace
My Beloved Group,
First of all, I'm sorry I haven't been able to participate fully in the
group this last couple of weeks. I love you all, but for the last
couple of days, I haven't
Bonnie,
This was one of my concerns. I'm so sorry you had this experience, but
because of it, you may be helping others, you're certainly helping me.
I know how hard it is to forgive ourselves when these things happen.
Your intentions were loving and I know that Katyusha knows this too.
This goes for you as well Kerry. You never told me the full
circumstances of what happened with Levi, but I know it was horrendous
for both of you. You're too kind and loving a person to dwell on what
happened. What can we do, but move on and learn from life's hard
lessons the best we can.
Nina, I am sorry. This is so awful for you and her to have to go through this. If you do euthanize at some point, maybe you can give her some oral valium first, the way you did earlier, so that she is more relaxed for the process?
While she does sound uncomfortable, she does not sound like she
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22, 2005 12:03 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject:
Re: Question about Euthanasia and my Grace
Nina, I am sorry. This is so awful for you and her to have to go
through this. If you do euthanize
stay with him while he went on his own. But because of the particular problem he had, it was going to be an extremely traumatic and painful thing for him. But in that case euthanasia took more bravery (also the bravery of knowing I would always hate myself for doing the euthanasia, and I always have
Nina
so sorry to hear of this sad time. Having Euthanased my dear Tidge and
Bramble I can say that they were different experiences. I personally wouldn't
sedate another who was weak before the shot as Tidge's veins collapsed due to
the sedative so they had to give her the shot through her
I made that decision with my Butch.
It is very hard, but I firmly believe that when they have given up there is no need for anything to be dragged out. I almost wish people could have the option of euthanasia because I know some would take it.
Butch was having trouble breathing and had lost
I know I am posting this late.
Darling Nina, the decision to euthanize is a personal one, but I will
tell you my thoughts.
If Grace told you through the AC that she was okay with euthanasia, and if
you know that she is not going to get better, and she has asked to leave, then I
would
Nina,
I can't help you decide, but my thoughts are with you. I don't
personally believe in euthanasia, but I came very close with TeeCee this
spring. It's tough...
With Care,
Steph
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From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:18 AM
Subject: Question about Euthanasia and my Grace
My Beloved Group,
First of all, I'm sorry I haven't been able to participate fully in the
group this last couple of weeks. I love you all
A heart that is full of love can break in infinite number of times. A hard
heart might break once.
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From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: Question about Euthanasia and my Grace
Thanks
replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..."Today's Topics:1. Sulphur ([EMAIL PROTECTED])2. Re: Question about Euthanasia and my Grace (Rachel)3. Re: Question about Euthanasia and my Grace (T
Nina, my heart goes out to you, I am so sorry for your pain. These
are such difficult, important, and soul-searching questions. I can
only answer of course from my own experience, but want to mention
that homeopathy also has ways of supporting the one who is about to
pass on, so you
on losing a loved one, you did not truly love.
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From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: Question about Euthanasia and my Grace
Nina, my heart goes out to you, I am so sorry for your
I personally think Euthanasia of pets is wrong. We shouldn't have the power
to take an innocent life. Only God has that power.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Question about Euthanasia and my Grace
Date: Thu, 22 Sep
I have to say, I'm with you on that - Euthanizing my horse Whatsie was the
hardest thing I ever did and gave me much of my present perspective on
euthanasia.
Gloria
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject
Nina,
I'm so sorry. I can say that as animals lose weight it does make it
more difficult to find a vein. My vet can find a vein in a potato, but
it sounds like your favorite vet is not available. Make sure that
whoever you decide on sedates her first. Also, do NOT let them take
her away from
I may be wrong about the weight being the issue about finding a vein,
but if Grace is anemic, that too can cause a problem with it.
tonya
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Nina, I am so sorry. I do not think lack of fat makes veins smaller
or
harder to find, so though I may be wrong, I do not
Jenn,
I don't know if we're in the minority, or not. I am very grateful that
we have the option of euthanasia available to us for our furred loved
ones. I too would very much appreciate someone who loves me enough
being able to help me cross if, when my time comes, I am suffering
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