from:""





To get him to eat more, try making the liver shake. The recipe is in the 
archives or I can send it again if you can't find it. They will often eat this 
when they won't eat anything else, and it is full of nutrients so even if they 
just eat a little they get a lot out of it. Also try sour cream and also roast 
beef deli slices.
Michelle


In a message dated 3/7/05 10:18:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  The vet said it costs all  she 
  thinks at this time, she can't see putting him through that when it probably 
  won't do much.I went  got a cat of KMR mothers supplement to give to 
  him,because it has so many good vitamins  stuff in it.He is drinking 
  itI am hoping it might help.Thanks for all the emails of 
  suggestions,love  support.
   
  Anita

Re: OT - We need your prayers




Nina, my horse Shire had this, and of course it is impossible to deal with 
in horses, but I don't think it is in dogs. I am hoping and praying.
Michelle

Re: Please Help! Anakin is very sick





Dexamethasone, which works quickly, combined with Depomedrol, which works 
over time.
Michelle

In a message dated 3/8/05 9:17:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
a 
  certain steroid whose name I can't remember 
Michelle??

Re: Intercat by Toray Industries





I had thought it was the same thing as Virbagen Omega when I read the case 
studies. Is it different?

I noticed from the case studies that it did not seem to help increase PCV 
(i.e. help with anemia) but more with low white blood cell count, fever, and 
anorexia caused by unexplained effects of the virus.
Michelle

In a message dated 3/8/05 10:52:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  In reading the material that was posted yesterday Intercat looks like 
  something that could wor or at least help, in some circumstances...my only 
  dillema is how to obtain it, I have found this website but can not locate 
  instructions on how to go about getting it...any thoughts
  http://www.toray.co.jp/english/chemical/sehin/b_yoto/21cat.html
  
  Cherie

Re: Please Help! Anakin is very sick

2005-03-08 Thread Tad Burnett





Michelle
 I also wish you would repost the recipe for liver shake...
Tad

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  
  To get him to eat more, try making the liver shake. The recipe
is in the archives or I can send it again if you can't find it. They
will often eat this when they won't eat anything else, and it is full
of nutrients so even if they just eat a little they get a lot out of
it. Also try sour cream and also roast beef deli slices.
  Michelle
  
  
  In a message dated 3/7/05 10:18:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
The vet said it
costs all  she thinks at this time, she can't see putting him
through that when it probably won't do much.I went  got a cat of
KMR mothers supplement to give to him,because it has so many good
vitamins  stuff in it.He is drinking itI am hoping it might
help.Thanks for all the emails of suggestions,love  support.

Anita

  
  
  
  

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Re: Lucy doesn't need surgery (probably)!





My horse is almost 29 and has bad leg problems that are age-related. Leg 
problems are serious in horses because if they can not stand and walk they can't 
live, unlike cats and dogs who can walk on 3 legs if necessary and/or use carts, 
be carried, etc.

We have been dealing with a lot here though. My dog Nubi died of cancer 2 
weeks before my cat Simon was diagnosed with it, and he died a month ago, and 
our remaining dog has cancer (doing well with it, but well beyond her prognosis 
at this point so still scary). So I am pretty wiped out.

Please advice how Brissle is doing on the VO if you started it.

Michelle


In a message dated 3/8/05 1:22:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michelle,Well that's great news! OMG you have a sick horse too? 
  Your pets are lucky tohave you looking out for them! I'll keep you posted 
  on Brissle.-Kyle

Re: Lucy doesn't need surgery (probably)!

2005-03-08 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

Michelle,You are one brave and kind mommy...I would have to say you should be wiped outkeep up your own strength your family needs you ;-))
Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



My horse is almost 29 and has bad leg problems that are age-related. Leg problems are serious in horses because if they can not stand and walk they can't live, unlike cats and dogs who can walk on 3 legs if necessary and/or use carts, be carried, etc.

We have been dealing with a lot here though. My dog Nubi died of cancer 2 weeks before my cat Simon was diagnosed with it, and he died a month ago, and our remaining dog has cancer (doing well with it, but well beyond her prognosis at this point so still scary). So I am pretty wiped out.

Please advice how Brissle is doing on the VO if you started it.

Michelle


In a message dated 3/8/05 1:22:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michelle,Well that's great news! OMG you have a sick horse too? Your pets are lucky tohave you looking out for them! I'll keep you posted on Brissle.-Kyle

Re: Please Help! Anakin is very sick

2005-03-08 Thread catstevens




Thank you for all your help everyone has been so 
great.I think last year sometime someone on the list had used a pet communicator 
or something.Does anyone know how to find one  how much it might 
cost.Thanks
 
Anita

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 12:13 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Please Help! Anakin is very 
  sick
  
  
  1. Kelp is a seaweed and spirulina is a single cell green food like 
  algae. Both are available at health food stores, either in powder or in 
  capsules that can be opened.
  
  2. The only person I know of on this list who has had a cat recover from 
  anemia long-term is someone (i can not remember who) whose cat was cured of 
  anemia through 6 months of Depomedrol shots (a steroid). Her cat was 
  killing his own red blood cells, which is an auto-immune problem that my 
  cat Simon got also while he was on chemotherapy.In this woman's 
  case, the steroids reversed it completely. My Simon got soanemic 
  at one point during his cancer that he had trouble breathing and I thought he 
  was dying. I loaded himup on steroids and his hematocrit went back 
  upsome, to about20,for about a month.It then went down 
  to 8 in less than 48 hours andwe could not bring it back up because he 
  would not allow a transfusion and the steroids did not workquickly 
  enough. Actually, someone else may have had a cat whose anemia was 
  caused by Hemobartanella,the blood parasite, and reversed it with doxicycline. 
  Oh, and also Belinda's Jean-Luc had anemia which was controlled for 2 years 
  with Epogen shots.
  
  Nina thinks that Paolo's cat Micia (Paolo is no longer on the list) may 
  also have had anemia. She recovered from being close to death with a 5 day 
  dosing of Virbagen Omega feline interferon, available only from Europe and you 
  have to get FDA approval. I would start that process right away if you are 
  interested in trying that. 
  
  
  There is an article on the group's web page by a vet who says he has 
  reversed anemia, I think, with Immuno-regulin. I would definitely try 
  that drug if I were you, along with a transfusion if his hematocrit is 13 or 
  lower.
  
  Finally, if Anakin has lymphoma in his bone marrow or kidneys, that can 
  cause anemia. That is what caused Simon's anemia. Chemotherapy can help. 
  When the chemo was working for Simon initially, his hematocrit went up from 13 
  to 33 in just 2 weeks.
  
  Michelle
  
  
  In a message dated 3/8/05 3:03:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
I got the recipe for the liver shake,but I have never herd of Kelp or 
Spirulina do you know if I can get that from any store or a special store? I 
am going to call my vet  ask if she will try so of the antibiotics.I am 
going to change my appointment to tomorrow to see if he is ant better.But 
today I noticed his glands are swollen again  I can feel his bones 
more.He was eating crunchy on Sunday not as much as normal,but he has not 
wanted his wet food for about 5 days.I don't know if anyone remembers me 
talking about Luke the one I lost in 2001 http://www.bemikitties.com/cls/luke.html
But Anakin is Grey other then thatit's likethey are the 
same.My husband thinks it is Luke reincarnated.They were bothborn in 
March.My husband thinks it's time for Anakin to go he doesn't want him to 
suffer.It's so hard.Does anyone knowif anyfur babies have 
recovered from beingAnemic?
 
Anita

Re: Please Help! Anakin is very sick





I have heard, and would believe, that cats' stomach acid is so much 
stronger that they do not get salmonella the way that humans do. Which would 
make sense, since in the wild they eat meat raw all the time. 

I know it is hard to digest liver. I don't know what to say about 
that. I have used it as a last resort when a cat is not eating enough to get 
by. In Simon's case, it was just lack of appetite rather than any 
digestive problems per se, so it was ok. I think it might be a problem if a cat 
has kidney problems. I probably would have listened to the vet in your 
case too. It's odd, I torture myself all day long about not having done 
the right things with my animals who have passed, but when I read someone else 
like you doing it is seems so obvious that you made a rational decision based on 
the information available to you, and that this is all you could do and there 
really is no way to tell if anything could have changed the outcome. I am not 
sure why I can not internalize this lesson and apply it to myself.

Michelle

In a message dated 3/8/05 3:35:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I gave 
  cooked liver becouse I often shared my cooked liver with them but one 
  thanskiving I wasgoing to give them a special treat and give them some 
  rawbut being used to cooked they wouldn'teat it raw and I had to cook 
  theirs anyway...Some people say there is a risk of salminila with 
  rawchicken.Any thoughts on my thinking 
  ?Tad

Re: Please Help! Anakin is very sick

2005-03-08 Thread Tad Burnett





Hi Anita
 Yes...I have a 14 year old FeLV+ that was so bad that the rescue
people that I got her from
didn't know if she would survive the 300 mile trip home..But she was
going to be PTS if
I didn't take herShe was loaded with fleas and that was the cause
of her anemia...
All I did was get rid of the fleas (advantage) and plenty of food and
water and love...
I have had her for a year and a half now and she is still doing well...

I guess it depends what is causing it but it is recoverable in some
cases...

Tad

  
  
.Does anyone knowif anyfur babies have recovered from
beingAnemic?
 Anita

  

  
  



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Re: New To List

2005-03-08 Thread Kris Kulak

Wow Sally, You are extremely informative and easier to comprehend than some sites I've been too. I greatly appreciate your response. I've had the older kitten tested IFA because he was so sick at the time, I wanted a complete check-up, never thinking this would happen since all of my cats are indoor creatures. The other 4 had the ELISA because I wanted an idea right away. I was so devastated at the time, I wanted to know ASAP.

I do have the 3 older ones isolated to the basement and the two little guys upstairs with me where we can keep a better eye on them. I hope this is only temporary because it is extremely hard on the cats and the rest of the family. We have to sneak in and out of the door which is not easy with 5 cats trying to sneak with you. They meow or howl or scratch back and forth at the door constantly.

The littlest guy (Luna) is about 4 months old. He acts totally and completely normal so far. Thor, the older kitten who got his name because he was extremely loud and thundrous, was the one that got sick, but tested negative twice before. It wasn't until shortly after we got the kitten that he got sick. Sylvester, the oldest and the leader of the pack, got sick too. At first I though it was a cold, and with Sylvester it was. But Thor couldn't shake it. After three weeks more with medication not working, I took him back in. That's when his blood work came back positive. Thor was really lethargic, not eating much, sweaty, isolated, etc. Since then, I've put him on this Retrovir. I don't like the side effects that could happen, but he seems to be getting better. Just this morning he was sounding like thunder again chasing the little guy around the house. I just got home from work (the first day back since I found out he was sick; I was never so scared to come home in my life; I
didn't know what to expect) and right away, he wanted to play. He meowed at me a few times. Then he threw up a nice, big, juicy fur ball right at my feet. After that, he started chasing a piece of material I was dragging on the floor.

He does eat a little more now. At 2 AM he woke me up hungry. I had to feed him. I sat on the floor, put soft food on my finger and rubbed in his mouth. He ate about a quarter of a can that way. He still has episodes where he stares at his food, but I rub a little on his teeth and he will eat out of my hand. Sometimes, he's even eating on his own. The nice thing though, is that he's is becoming more active and seems to be putting on more weight again. But, as I said before, I too scared to get my hopes up. I'm just hanging in there along with him.

I know it's not recommended, and my husband isn't even sure, but I would like to reunite my family after the incubation period is over and the cats have all been retested. I can't dream of putting the burden of raising possibly terminally ill cats onto someone else. I'd rather have the hea;thy cats go somewhere. The only problem, I am so emotional. My husband worries it will "kill" me. I keep telling him that it will be hard, but for the kitties' sake, I've got to keep them where they're used to and comfortable. The least amount of stress is recommended, right?

I so love this group. It is helping me a lot. And I'm learning a lot.Hopefully soon, I'll be able to relax a little and stop feeling like dread is looming behind me. Thanks again.

Kristina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Sally:Did the cats test positive on both an ELISA and an IFA test? If they were just tested with the ELISA (the in-house snap test), this test is much more sensitive to the antigen produced by the replicating virus so it can be an indication of an infection which may only be transitory and there is a chance the virus can be cleared. While this is more likely with an adult cat than a kitten, it is not impossible for a kitten who tests positive early on to later test negative. I have one who was positive at 6 weeks but retested negative a 6 mos. when he was neutered.If an IFA test was not done, I would strongly urge you to do so as this can give you an indication of what stage of infection the cats may be in and a better idea as to their chance for long-term survival. According to Dr. Richard Pitcairn, there are six stages of
FeLV infection. The ELISA is 100 times more sensitive so a positive result on this test can indicate the earlier stages of infection as well as the latter ones. A positive IFA correlates well with stage 4 and up. While it is possible for a cat in early stage to still clear the virus, it is more likely an IFA+ cat will remain persistently viremic. It is not until stage five that a cat is actively shedding the virus and so infectious to others, and it takes repeated and direct contact with a cat who is shedding the virus to result in infection. A cat persistently infected with FeLV and immunocompromised is actually more at risk of exposure to other cats than are healthy adult cats at risk from exposure to a cat which is infected with FeLV. Not all

RE: I'm SOOO scared - i need your support!

2005-03-08 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto










Thank you, Anita. Thats very comforting to hear,
especially right now. Do I understand correctly that the mom and her kitten
were positive first and then became negative later on, too?  or did the mom and her kitten remain positive, but the rest
of 10 kitties are tested negative?



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From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of catstevens
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 2:49
PM
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Subject: Re: I'm SOOO scared - i
need your support!





Hideyo
I am praying for you.I don't think you need to worry about all the other
kitties.A few years back we were ina similarsituation.Wefound
out a mom her kitten were FeLV positive  they had been with all
theothers grooming,sleeping,eating everything.I was in a panic with help
I took all of them to the vet to get tested  other then the mom  her
kitten all 10 of them were negative.






Anita







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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org






Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005
11:23 AM





Subject: Re:
I'm SOOO scared - i need your support!











Hideyo, I am praying Uh-Oh (love his name!) is negative. If he is
positive, though, you should know that it does not mean lots of your other cats
are. Many cats do not get it, even without vaccination. I think it is easiest
for kittens and cats with compromised immune systems to get it. I of course
would be worried too, but I do not want you to think that if Uh-Oh is positive
it means you will have an epidemic of FeLV on your hands. 





Michelle

Re: New To List

2005-03-08 Thread Kris Kulak

I'm just glad to know I'm NOT alone. Sometimes you get so overwhelmed that you forget this. Thanks.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



My partner Gray says the same thing about me. And it may be killing me, I am not sure. I know that I am really anxious and miserable each time they are sick, and Simon's death about did me in. It's hard not to feel like dread is looming over you. Little windows of time will come when everything seems ok, or at least better, and you can relax for a day or two. But then it starts again.
Michelle

In a message dated 3/8/05 4:54:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I know it's not recommended, and my husband isn't even sure, but I would like to reunite my family after the incubation period is over and the cats have all been retested. I can't dream of putting the burden of raising possibly terminally ill cats onto someone else. I'd rather have the hea;thy cats go somewhere. The only problem, I am so emotional. My husband worries it will "kill" me. I keep telling him that it will be hard, but for the kitties' sake, I've got to keep them where they're used to and comfortable. The least amount of stress is recommended, right?

I so love this group. It is helping me a lot. And I'm learning a lot.Hopefully soon, I'll be able to relax a little and stop feeling like dread is looming behind me. Thanks again.

Re: OT:Check out Alliance for Animals: Action Alerts (Cat Hunting in WI.)

2005-03-08 Thread Kris Kulak

I live in Wisconsin and was totally shocked and mortified when I heard this. I started crying.I'm becoming an emotional wreck.Here I am trying to fight for the health of my own kitties who've just recently tested positive for FeLV,and there is some moron out there who thinks this is somehow justified!? I personally like your idea about the developers. I'll have to share that one with my husband.

KristinaBarb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

http://www.wpr.org/ideas/programnotes.cfm

here's the link so you can listen to the show if you'd like.BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This topic was on a call in show on Wisconsin Public Radio this morning. Most of the callers were enraged about the idea. The wildlife biologist who had studied the effects of cats on bird populations said he had been getting plenty of email too. But he did admit one thing - that development both here and in southern locations where birds spend the winter was the major cause of the decline in song bird populations. I suppose shooting developers might be a bit extreme but maybe we can confine them somehow :)Bonnie- Original Message -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2005 8:17 amSubject: Re: OT:Check out Alliance for Animals: Action Alerts (Cat Hunting in WI.) That is so awful! I am in WI will be sure to let everyone I know about this hopefully we can prevent
this from happening. Thanks for the heads-up! Yvonne Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous

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Re: Intercat by Toray Industries

2005-03-08 Thread Melbeach




It says "Recombinant feline interferon". So that's 
VO. Please let us know if they correspond with you.
-Kyle

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Cherie A 
  Gabbert 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 2:35 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Intercat by Toray 
  Industries
  
  Michelle, 
  It does seem to be very similar, I am just trying to explore everything 
  and see how fast I could get certain things when or if it comes time for that, 
  or maybe even be proactive I am not sure, Amber is doing great in the 
  Interferon, I just am worried for the future.
  Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  


I had thought it was the same thing as Virbagen Omega when I read the 
case studies. Is it different?

I noticed from the case studies that it did not seem to help increase 
PCV (i.e. help with anemia) but more with low white blood cell count, fever, 
and anorexia caused by unexplained effects of the virus.
Michelle

In a message dated 3/8/05 10:52:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  In reading the material that was posted yesterday Intercat looks like 
  something that could wor or at least help, in some circumstances...my only 
  dillema is how to obtain it, I have found this website but can not locate 
  instructions on how to go about getting it...any thoughts
  http://www.toray.co.jp/english/chemical/sehin/b_yoto/21cat.html
  
  Cherie

Re: New To List

2005-03-08 Thread Sally Quillian

Hi Sally . . .Thank you so very much for this informative response.  Is it
ok with you if I forward this information to our other two members?

Both cats were tested with the ELISA, but not the in-house snap. .
.bloodwork was sent to our local lab.  I've talked with our vet regarding
the IFA test. . .but the real problem is finding housing for these two. . .
we're willing to pay for transport anywhere in the U.S. . . .I've contacted
everyone I know regarding fostering, etc . . .even offered to take healthy
cats to adopt in exchange for each FeLV cat . . .but everyone is in the same
position . . .too many kitties .  . . overwhelmed with rescue . . .we are a
small group . . .just three of us . . .we just don't have room to isolate on
a long term basis . . .  : ( . . .would love to find a home for these
kitties . . .There are still two shelters (who take sick kitties) I have
contacted who haven't responded yet . . .but shelter placement will be a
stressful situation for them . . .I've been successful placing FIV kitties
in the past . . .maybe my luck is running out.

I've tried to post Bobbie's picture on the FeLV site . . . but haven't been
successful.  Her picture is on our Petfinder website.  I have not yet gotten
a picture of Twila, the adult.

The information you've provided is fantastic . . .I so very much appreciate
your taking the time to write. . .I won't give up trying to place these
kitties until I'm forced to.

Sally Q

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: New To List


 Dear Sally:

 Did the cats test positive on both an ELISA and an IFA test?  If they were
 just tested with the ELISA (the in-house snap test), this test is much
more
 sensitive to the antigen produced by the replicating virus so it can be an
 indication of an infection which may only be transitory and there is a
chance the
 virus can be cleared.  While this is more likely with an adult cat than a
kitten,
 it is not impossible for a kitten who tests positive early on to later
test
 negative. I have one who was positive at 6 weeks but retested negative a 6
mos.
 when he was neutered.

 If an IFA test was not done, I would strongly urge you to do so as this
can
 give you an indication of what stage of infection the cats may be in and a
 better idea as to their chance for long-term survival.  According to Dr.
Richard
 Pitcairn, there are six stages of FeLV infection.  The ELISA is 100 times
more
 sensitive so a positive result on this test can indicate the earlier
stages of
 infection as well as the latter ones. A positive IFA correlates well with
 stage 4 and up.  While it is possible for a cat in early stage to still
clear the
 virus, it is more likely an IFA+ cat will remain persistently viremic.  It
is
 not until stage five that a cat is actively shedding the virus and so
 infectious to others, and it takes repeated and direct contact with a cat
who is
 shedding the virus to result in infection. A cat persistently infected
with FeLV
 and immunocompromised is actually more at risk of exposure to other cats
than
 are healthy adult cats at risk from exposure to a cat which is infected
with
 FeLV.  Not all FeLV+ cats are shedding the virus, and it is not the
easiest
 virus to transmit...it does not live long outside its host.

 Kittens are most at risk of infection...not only because they have an
 immature immune system but because lymphocytes in a kitten produce 50
times more
 virus than those of an adult cat.  Kittens infected before birth by an
infected
 mom, or shortly after birth through nursing or mutual grooming, have the
worst
 prognosis for survival.  It is said around 50% won't make it through their
 first year.  Those that do may continue to do well until around age 2-3-4.
Some
 manage to live a relatively normal life span.  What seems to determine
this is
 whether or not the relatively benign FeLV-A subgroup of the virus, which
is
 the only form that is passed from one cat to another, eventually
recombines with
 the cat's  DNA and mutates into one of the more virulent subgroups.  The
 FeLV-A+B is the one associated with lymphomas and other cancers.  The
FeLV-A+C is
 the one associated with severe/non-regenerative anemia.  It is possible
for
 both mutations to occur and a cat to develop FeLV-A+B+C, which is the
worst case
 scenario.

 If both these cats are currently non-symptomatic, there is no reason to
 consider euthanasia at this point.  If they can be maintained in an
environment
 relatively free of stress -- and that includes such stressors to the
immune
 system as vaccines (which can actually trigger a latent infection into an
active
 one), toxic drugs and toxins in poor quality food -- and fed a good
quality diet
 (preferably raw-based) with some immune-boosting supplements, their chance
 for survival is much better than otherwise.

 Some of our listmembers have cats who are 6 years and older, some have
lived

Re: Intercat by Toray Industries

2005-03-08 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

You guys will be the second to knowif I actually get a response.
CherieMelbeach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




It says "Recombinant feline interferon". So that's VO. Please let us know if they correspond with you.
-Kyle

- Original Message - 
From: Cherie A Gabbert 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: Intercat by Toray Industries

Michelle, 
It does seem to be very similar, I am just trying to explore everything and see how fast I could get certain things when or if it comes time for that, or maybe even be proactive I am not sure, Amber is doing great in the Interferon, I just am worried for the future.
Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I had thought it was the same thing as Virbagen Omega when I read the case studies. Is it different?

I noticed from the case studies that it did not seem to help increase PCV (i.e. help with anemia) but more with low white blood cell count, fever, and anorexia caused by unexplained effects of the virus.
Michelle

In a message dated 3/8/05 10:52:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

In reading the material that was posted yesterday Intercat looks like something that could wor or at least help, in some circumstances...my only dillema is how to obtain it, I have found this website but can not locate instructions on how to go about getting it...any thoughts
http://www.toray.co.jp/english/chemical/sehin/b_yoto/21cat.html

Cherie

Re: Virbagen Feline Omega Interferon Example 6 (no seroconversion)

2005-03-08 Thread Gloria B. Lane

Wow, good work, Glenda! Thanks for all that -
Gloria
At 03:28 PM 3/7/2005, you wrote:
Example 6
A recombinant feline .omega.-interferon preparation (Trade Name: INTERCAT)
was administered to a 2-year-old crossbred male cat, which was observed to
have neutropenia due to a feline leukemia virus infection.

On the first day of examination, the cat had a weight of 3.9 kg and a body
temperature of 40.4.degree. C., and lymphatic swelling was observed. The
cat had an appetite and vigor. Blood test results were as follows: PCV
22%, WBC 5,800, neutrophil 696, lymphocyte 4,698, monocyte 116, eosinophil
290, and thrombocyte 200,000. In the virus test, an FeLV antigen was
detected and an FIV antibody was not detected.

After 5 days, although appetite and vigor were observed, the body
temperature was 39.2.degree. C., and blood test results were as follows:
PCV 22%, WBC 5,800, neutrophil 131, lymphocyte 4,963, monocyte 219,
eosinophil 483, and thrombocyte 200,000.

The INTERCAT was dissolved in a physiological saline solution and was
subcutaneously injected at a dose of 4 MU/day for six days. The dose was
1.03 MU/kg per cat weight. A transfusion (lactate Ringer's solution and
glucose) was injected by intravenous drip infusion at a dose of 500
ml/day, and an antibiotic (cephalexin) was intravenously injected at a
dose of 100 mg twice a day.

On the second day after the administration of the INTERCAT, the body
temperature was 39.5.degree. C., and blood test results were as follows:
PCV 24%, WBC 4,200, neutrophil 400, lymphocyte 3,400, monocyte 200,
eosinophil 200, and thrombocyte 200,000.

On the fourth day, the body temperature was 38.7.degree. C., and blood
test results were as follows: PCV 23%, WBC 5,000, neutrophil 1,150,
lymphocyte 3,100, monocyte 450, eosinophil 200, and thrombocyte 200,000.
On the seventh day, the body temperature was 38.9.degree. C., and blood
test results were as follows: PCV 18%, WBC 6,100, neutrophil 1,769,
lymphocyte 3,050, monocyte 1,220, eosinophil 61, and thrombocyte 200,000.

In this example, significant recovery of neutrophils was not observed, and
abatement of fever and improved general condition were observed.

Take care,
Glenda
Our FeLV/FIV kitties other stuff:
http://community.webshots.com/user/sicky_iciclehttp://community.webshots.com/user/sicky_icicle

Some More Virbagen Omega Info

2005-03-08 Thread Melbeach

Found some more info on VO ya'll might be interested
in.

From Virbac's FAQ: http://www.virbagenomega.com/uk/faqcat

Q: After reconstitution of Virbagen® Omega, can the
vial be stored overnight and used on an animal the next
day?
A: Studies have demonstrated a stability of the
molecule up to 3 weeks minimum at +4°C. Nevertheless, taking into consideration
the fact that there is no preservative in the formulation of the product, the
risk of contamination with fungus or bacteria exists. Nevertheless, if
injections are performed in asepsis conditions (sterile needles...), the risk of
contamination will be minimum.
Q: Can Virbagen® Omega be frozen after
reconstitution?
A: Feline omega interferon is a glycoprotein which is
very stable in general. After resuspension, stability studies showed that the
solution was stable for at least 3 weeks at +4°C. According to knowledge on the
molecule, it does not seem there is any risk linked to freezing the solution.
Nevertheless, precise data concerning this type of storage are not available to
date. In any case, several cycles of freezing-thawing are not
recommended.

The official pdf documents filed with the European
Medicines Agency are here: http://www.emea.eu.int/vetdocs/vets/Epar/virbagenomega/virbagenomega.htm

The "Scientific Discussion" is real detailed and
informative.
The "Product Information" looks like the official
Product Insert info.

Australian FDA info: http://www.apvma.gov.au/gazette/gazette0111p14.shtml

A study where only 1 round of 5 injections was
applied for FeLV, instead of the recommended 3 rounds: http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=55lang=eng

I was interested in possible interference with
Immunoregulin and/or continuing with Immunoregulin after VO therapy is complete.
The Scientific Discussion has a small blurb that says "Due to the indications
for use, concomitant use of immunological products is not recommended." Yet
interestingly, the Product Information is silent on this. So I emailed Virbac
and they said:
"Unfortunately, as far as I am aware, ImmunoRegulin
is not available in Europe and we do not have any data on the use of it either
concurrently with Virbagen Omega or before/after VO treatment. There are
products available in Europe (Baypamun HK and Acemannan) that are similar in
concept to ImmunoRegulin. My understanding of these products is that they work
by inducing the production of endogenous cytokines (including Interferons) but
that placebo controlled studies have failed to demonstrate a significant benefit
of treatment with these products. On this basis I can see little benefit in
continuing with ImmunoRegulin treatment as Virbagen Omega effectively bypasses
the need to produce endogenous type 1 interferons and will stimulate an
immunological cascade itself."
Anyone know what that means?

-Kyle

RE: New cat litter will detect illness in cats

2005-03-08 Thread Karolyn Lount

I use Wooden Pellets that are made for stoves. I pay $4.19 for 40 lbs.
I just cover the bottom of the pan. By doing this you do not have the
weight of other litters. After they pee on it, it turns to silt

Re: Thank you fm Del and Angel Effie

2005-03-08 Thread Karolyn Lount

May I suggest that when you need to replace bedspreads but large sheets
with a pattern. From a distance they look like a regular bedspread. They
are also a lot easier to wash. I picked this hint up from a neighbor of
mine that has 10 cats.

Re: Liver shake

2005-03-08 Thread Gloria B. Lane

You should be able to find it at the health food store.  I've used kelp 
before with my cats, but not spirulina.  Think they're both good 
nutrients.  Maybe somebody else knows...!

Gloria
At 07:22 PM 3/8/2005, you wrote:
I got the stuff but I couldn't get the Kelp or spirulina.What is the for 
does anyone know? should I just go ahead  give it to him anyway.Thanks
Anita

Re: Liver shake

2005-03-08 Thread Sue Feldbusch

Spirulina also is called blue algae, I think.  If you can't find it under 
spirulina, it could be under that.  Our big grocer has it.  Look in the 
vitamin section of your grocer.  For sure, a helath place will have it.  Ask 
if you can't find it.

From: Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Liver shake
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 20:08:28 -0600
You should be able to find it at the health food store.  I've used kelp 
before with my cats, but not spirulina.  Think they're both good nutrients. 
 Maybe somebody else knows...!

Gloria
At 07:22 PM 3/8/2005, you wrote:
I got the stuff but I couldn't get the Kelp or spirulina.What is the for 
does anyone know? should I just go ahead  give it to him anyway.Thanks
Anita

Re: New To This

2005-03-08 Thread Karolyn Lount

Hi, I use to have 18 cats both -+ and I had no choice but to mix them
because I live in a one bedroom condo. To the best of my knowledge none
of my - became +. 
Many of my + lived long enough to die because of problems that come with
old age. And then some of them died as young as 3mos. of age. It never
gets any easier, but I have been blessed with the number of cats that
have passe thru my life

Re: raising kittens???

2005-03-08 Thread Wheezercat42




Your welcome. I hope the diarrhea ends up being nothing to worry 
about.

Where there's Life, there's HopeKathy"There is nothing so strong as gentleness, 
and there is nothing so gentle as real strength." ~ Sir Francis de 
Sates

Re: Liver shake

2005-03-08 Thread catstevens




I asked at the health food store,he 
said they were out of kelp but the only spirulina they had in was a big jar of 
powder that was 48.00  I don't have much money.He asked what I wanted it 
for  I hold him he was very surprised that you could use either in the 
shake.He said that they are totally different he asked why we use those because 
the spirulina was an Iron supplement.
 
Anita
- Original Message - 
From: "Sue Feldbusch" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: Liver shake
 Spirulina also is called blue algae, I think. If you can't 
find it under  spirulina, it could be under that. Our big grocer 
has it. Look in the  vitamin section of your grocer. For 
sure, a helath place will have it. Ask  if you can't find 
it. From: "Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Liver shakeDate: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 
20:08:28 -0600You should be able to find it at the 
health food store. I've used kelp before with my cats, but not 
spirulina. Think they're both good nutrients.  Maybe 
somebody else knows...!GloriaAt 
07:22 PM 3/8/2005, you wrote:I got the stuff but I couldn't get 
the Kelp or spirulina.What is the for does anyone know? should I 
just go ahead  give it to him 
anyway.Thanks 
Anita

Re: Some More Virbagen Omega Info

2005-03-08 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

I was able to go to all links except the first one, you have to be a vet to get into that link.Very good information though.

I am attempting to be more knowledgeable about all this, so right now I am not sure what was meant by that...but I am learning
cherieMelbeach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Found some more info on VO ya'll might be interested in.

From Virbac's FAQ: http://www.virbagenomega.com/uk/faqcat
Q: After reconstitution of Virbagen® Omega, can the vial be stored overnight and used on an animal the next day?
A: Studies have demonstrated a stability of the molecule up to 3 weeks minimum at +4°C. Nevertheless, taking into consideration the fact that there is no preservative in the formulation of the product, the risk of contamination with fungus or bacteria exists. Nevertheless, if injections are performed in asepsis conditions (sterile needles...), the risk of contamination will be minimum.
Q: Can Virbagen® Omega be frozen after reconstitution?
A: Feline omega interferon is a glycoprotein which is very stable in general. After resuspension, stability studies showed that the solution was stable for at least 3 weeks at +4°C. According to knowledge on the molecule, it does not seem there is any risk linked to freezing the solution. Nevertheless, precise data concerning this type of storage are not available to date. In any case, several cycles of freezing-thawing are not recommended.

The official pdf documents filed with the European Medicines Agency are here: http://www.emea.eu.int/vetdocs/vets/Epar/virbagenomega/virbagenomega.htm
The "Scientific Discussion" is real detailed and informative.
The "Product Information" looks like the official Product Insert info.

Australian FDA info: http://www.apvma.gov.au/gazette/gazette0111p14.shtml

A study where only 1 round of 5 injections was applied for FeLV, instead of the recommended 3 rounds: http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=55lang=eng

I was interested in possible interference with Immunoregulin and/or continuing with Immunoregulin after VO therapy is complete. The Scientific Discussion has a small blurb that says "Due to the indications for use, concomitant use of immunological products is not recommended." Yet interestingly, the Product Information is silent on this. So I emailed Virbac and they said:
"Unfortunately, as far as I am aware, ImmunoRegulin is not available in Europe and we do not have any data on the use of it either concurrently with Virbagen Omega or before/after VO treatment. There are products available in Europe (Baypamun HK and Acemannan) that are similar in concept to ImmunoRegulin. My understanding of these products is that they work by inducing the production of endogenous cytokines (including Interferons) but that placebo controlled studies have failed to demonstrate a significant benefit of treatment with these products. On this basis I can see little benefit in continuing with ImmunoRegulin treatment as Virbagen Omega effectively bypasses the need to produce endogenous type 1 interferons and will stimulate an immunological cascade itself."
Anyone know what that means?

-Kyle

Re: Some More Virbagen Omega Info

A: Studies have demonstrated a
stability of the molecule up to 3 weeks minimum at +4C. Nevertheless,
taking into consideration the fact that there is no preservative in the
formulation of the product, the risk of contamination with fungus or
bacteria exists. Nevertheless, if injections are performed in asepsis
conditions (sterile needles...), the risk of contamination will be
minimum.

Kyle,
This is fantastic news! Thanks so much for finding this out for us. I
was terrified of using "left-over" feline interferon, now it appears
it's safe as long as adequate sterilization methods are used with the
vials. I'm so pleased, this means we can stretch the premeasured
vials! I haven't had time to explore the link you provided, but you
can be sure I will. I'm also going to forward it to my vet's office.
I'll also send it to my biochemist pal, Kate, and ask her to translate
the last paragraph!

Thanks Kyle, you're a gem!
Nina

Melbeach wrote:

Found some more info on VO ya'll might be
interested in.

From Virbac's FAQ: http://www.virbagenomega.com/uk/faqcat

Q: After reconstitution of Virbagen
Omega, can the vial be stored overnight and used on an animal the next
day?
A: Studies have demonstrated a stability
of the molecule up to 3 weeks minimum at +4C. Nevertheless, taking
into consideration the fact that there is no preservative in the
formulation of the product, the risk of contamination with fungus or
bacteria exists. Nevertheless, if injections are performed in asepsis
conditions (sterile needles...), the risk of contamination will be
minimum.
Q: Can Virbagen Omega be frozen after
reconstitution?
A: Feline omega interferon is a
glycoprotein which is very stable in general. After resuspension,
stability studies showed that the solution was stable for at least 3
weeks at +4C. According to knowledge on the molecule, it does not seem
there is any risk linked to freezing the solution. Nevertheless,
precise data concerning this type of storage are not available to date.
In any case, several cycles of freezing-thawing are not recommended.

The official pdf documents filed with the
European Medicines Agency are here: http://www.emea.eu.int/vetdocs/vets/Epar/virbagenomega/virbagenomega.htm

The "Scientific Discussion" is real
detailed and informative.
The "Product Information" looks like the
official Product Insert info.

Australian FDA info: http://www.apvma.gov.au/gazette/gazette0111p14.shtml

A study where only 1 round of 5 injections
was applied for FeLV, instead of the recommended 3 rounds: http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=55lang=eng

I was interested in possible interference
with Immunoregulin and/or continuing with Immunoregulin after VO
therapy is complete. The Scientific Discussion has a small blurb that
says "Due to the indications for use, concomitant use of immunological
products is not recommended." Yet interestingly, the Product
Information is silent on this. So I emailed Virbac and they said:
"Unfortunately, as far as I am aware,
ImmunoRegulin is not available in Europe and we do not have any data on
the use of it either concurrently with Virbagen Omega or before/after
VO treatment. There are products available in Europe (Baypamun HK and
Acemannan) that are similar in concept to ImmunoRegulin. My
understanding of these products is that they work by inducing the
production of endogenous cytokines (including Interferons) but that
placebo controlled studies have failed to demonstrate a significant
benefit of treatment with these products. On this basis I can see
little benefit in continuing with ImmunoRegulin treatment as Virbagen
Omega effectively bypasses the need to produce endogenous type 1
interferons and will stimulate an immunological cascade itself."
Anyone know what that means?

-Kyle

Re: New To List - Welcome Kris





Hi Kris,
I'm sorry it took so long to write, but I've been pretty overwhelmed
with illness and injury right now. I have been following the list as
best I can and I just wanted you to know how sorry I am you had to find
us. This disease is horrid, and every cat seems to be effected in
different ways and degrees. One thing I have discovered is, there is
always cause for hope. It's constantly testing my mettle, and I have
found out I'm stronger and more courageous than I would have previously
imagined.

As far as cross-mixing goes... I have never found a vet, or anything
in my research that suggests mixing is a good idea. And why would
they? Of course there's less of a chance of infection if they're
separated, that's common sense. That being said, it was never an
option for me to isolate any of my animals. If my husband came down
with smallpox, I wouldn't make him go live in the garage! It may have
been an easier decision for me. When I found out mine were positive,
it was long after they had become part of the family. They had been
co-mingling for so long that it didn't make sense for me to separate
them at that point. Besides they wouldn't have understood, everyone
has access to everywhere and everyone else, they would have been so
unhappy and confused if I had shut them away somewhere. I know it's a
risk, but it's a risk I feel compelled to take. Based on my own
experience and that of others on this list, I have since found out that
the risk is much slimmer than I had been led to believe. My FeLV+ are
now 17 months old and I've had them since they were 2 1/2 weeks. None
of my other cats have become positive. I would strongly recommend
vaccinating your negatives, (be careful, in my haste to protect a
semi-feral the same age as my FeLV kittens, I allowed my vet to
accidently over-vaccinate her and she has IBD now). No one can make
this decision for you, you are the one who must be willing to live with
the consequences, but quality of life is of the utmost importance to
me, and from your posts your negative cats seem very unhappy, (so do
you for that matter!).

I just read one of Sally's post about Purrki testing positive as a
kitten and then recently testing negative. I just wanted to mention
that, Tim, one of the kittens from my FeLV litter, has tested negative
also. That's what I mean by there always being room for hope.
Everything I read, and I've read a lot, said that a kitten contracting
FeLV inutro has a very slim prognosis for clearing the virus, but
here's my Tim, handsome and strong with no signs of illness and testing
negative! It's true that it could be sequestered in his bone marrow,
but I continue to treat him as if he's positive, (he gets all the
supplements and close scrutiny as his sisters) and still allow myself
the joy in knowing that he's tested negative. There is also the
possibility of your cats being carriers that test positive, without
ever showing the ill-effects associated with the disease. It's all
such a crap-shoot, but isn't life in general that way? That's another
thing this disease has taught me, I don't have nearly the control over
my environment that I once thought I did. It's a fine line that I
continue to battle.

I can't advise you about Retrovir, I'd never heard of it before you
mentioned it. I do know that, in my case, feline interferon,
Doxycycline and Sally's Transfer Factors has helped my babies recover
when I thought all was lost. The most important things are to keep the
household stress-free, provide good nutrition and supplements and watch
them like a hawk to jump on any sign of illness before it can take
hold. If/when you do start mixing your household again, watch your
negatives for illness as well, as Sally has stated they are probably
bigger threats to your FeLV, than the other way around!

I'm very pleased to hear Thor is doing better. You, Luna, Thor and the
rest of your family are in my thoughts and prayers. You're never
alone. You've found a warm, knowledgeable and supportive group of
people on this list. I don't know what I would do without them.

Nina



Kris Kulak wrote:

  Wow Sally, You are extremely informative and easier to
comprehend than some sites I've been too. I greatly appreciate your
response. I've had the older kitten tested IFA because he was so sick
at the time, I wanted a complete check-up, never thinking this would
happen since all of my cats are indoor creatures. The other 4 had the
ELISA because I wanted an idea right away. I was so devastated at the
time, I wanted to know ASAP. 
  
  I do have the 3 older ones isolated to the basement and the two
little guys upstairs with me where we can keep a better eye on them. I
hope this is only temporary because it is extremely hard on the cats
and the rest of the family. We have to sneak in and out of the door
which is not easy with 5 cats trying to sneak with you. They meow or
howl or scratch back and forth at the door constantly.
  
  The littlest guy (Luna) is about 4 months old. He acts

Re: Kelp or Spirulina

2005-03-09 Thread carlas

They are both high in iron. I was told to be careful by my 
homepathic vet with them due to the high iron when my cat was 
anemic. But I did use the Spirulina there is a drink with it at a the 
health stores and my cat seemed to like the taste. It's high in B 
vitamins.

You can do a search on the net and should be able to order on line 
if you can't find it in the stores. GNC carry kelp I think maybe the 
other.

Carla

Date sent:  Tue, 08 Mar 2005 17:22:54 -0800
From:   catstevens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Copies to:  Subject:Liver shake
Send reply to:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 Kelp or spirulina

Re: Please Help! Anakin is very sick

2005-03-09 Thread Belinda Sauro





  Epogen and injectable steroids may help but that takes time to kick in and you would probably have to give him a transfusion or two to buy enough time to see if that would help. 

EPOGEN may ALSO help if the bone marrow is no longer producing enough RBC's as I have said time and time again, Jean Luc and cat with lymphoma, and crf got EPOGEN for over two years on and off as needed and his bone marrow went down from 13 to 11, they stared the epogen when it was 13, and it WAS non regenerative anemia.  He WAS NOT FeLV positive so I don't know what that status would throw in the mix, and since nobody seems willing to try it before the cat is so sick it is probably beyond help I guess we'll never know.  The only cat I know of that tried the epogen that was positive had a hemocrit of I believe 6 when it was started, and since epogen can take up to three weeks to really kick in I don't think it was started in time to have a chance to work.

PS  Jean Luc's lymphoma was diagnosed shortly after he was already getting the epogen for anemia, so it could be possible the lymphoma caused the anemia and it was the symptom that brought about checking for lymphoma.

-- 
 Belinda
Happiness is being owned by cats ...

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Re: More On Epogen (Procrit)

2005-03-09 Thread Belinda Sauro

In a later email she said in reality even though vets say the 
antibodies only developed in 30% of the cases.  That means 70% of the 
cats never developed antibodies  it is closer to 10% developing 
antibodies (and usually only after 3 or 4 months of use) and 90% never 
developing them according to what her vet has actually experienced.

--
Belinda
Happiness is being owned by cats ...
Be-Mi-Kitties ...
http://www.bemikitties.com
Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
http://adopt.bemikitties.com
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Uh-oh-oh update -pls help!!









I took Uh-oh-oh to the vet yesterday afternoon  and heres
what I found out  

The good news was he was negative on FeLV/FIV (thank god!) on
ELISA  When they did in house PCV test, his HCT was 44 which was very good. But I also had them sent out the blood
work for the total body function so that I can find out whats going on
with him  



And heres a sort of bad news, and I am not sure whats
going on  and I need your help to understand it.

His PCV (HCT) was much lower than the results from the
house, which is 32, but still within the normal range of 29 to 48  

But his RBC and HGB was extremely
low. RBC is 1.8 (normal range 5.92
to 9.93) and HGB was 5.2 (range 9.3 to 15.9). His WBC was normal. His MCH was high 28.2 (range 11-21) and
MCHC was high as well as 75 (range 30 to 38). There was a comment underneath says the
sample appears hemolyzed. Hematorit by manual method. Which I was not sure what
it meant. His blood parasites came
as negative. Back in January, we
also did PCR test of Hematot (sorry, cant spell, but its for FIA)
and came back as negative  what do you think going on? The fact that his RBC is now from 5.6 (in
January) to 1.8 (yesterday)  does this mean that his is not producing
blood  what does it mean??
How come his HCT is normal?
(what does HCT mean? Please help me understand whats
going on with Uh-oh-oh (I left a message with my vet to discuss this further,
also)



Hideyo  Uh-oh-oh

RE: Uh-oh-oh update -pls help!!









By the way, his HCT was up from 25 (thats
when he got sick in January) to 32.



-Original Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 10:20 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Uh-oh-oh update -pls
help!!



I took Uh-oh-oh to the vet yesterday
afternoon  and heres what I found out  

The good news was he was negative on
FeLV/FIV (thank god!) on ELISA  When they did in house PCV test, his HCT
was 44 which was very good. But I
also had them sent out the blood work for the total body function so that I can
find out whats going on with him  



And heres a sort of bad news,
and I am not sure whats going on  and I need your help to
understand it.

His PCV (HCT) was much lower than
the results from the house, which is 32, but still within the normal range of
29 to 48  

But his RBC and HGB was extremely
low. RBC is 1.8 (normal range 5.92
to 9.93) and HGB was 5.2 (range 9.3 to 15.9). His WBC was normal. His MCH was high 28.2 (range 11-21) and
MCHC was high as well as 75 (range 30 to 38). There was a comment underneath says
the sample appears hemolyzed.
Hematorit by manual method. Which I was not sure what it
meant. His blood parasites came as
negative. Back in January, we also
did PCR test of Hematot (sorry, cant spell, but its for FIA) and
came back as negative  what do you think going on? The fact that his RBC is now from 5.6
(in January) to 1.8 (yesterday)  does this mean that his is not
producing blood  what does it mean?? How come his HCT is normal? (what does HCT mean? Please help me understand whats
going on with Uh-oh-oh (I left a message with my vet to discuss this further,
also)



Hideyo  Uh-oh-oh

Re: Uh-oh-oh update -pls help!!

2005-03-09 Thread Melbeach

Hideyo,

I had this page bookmarked that briefly explains
the charts: http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/labtests.html.
Of course this is a dog website. But the descriptions should still apply. My
chart for Brissle didn't even have RBC, only HCT.

I'm no expert in deciphering charts. Sorry I can't
help with that.I hope there's something good in those
numbers!

-Kyle

- Original Message -
From:
Hideyo Yamamoto
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 12:34
PM
Subject: RE: Uh-oh-oh update -pls
help!!

By the way, his HCT
was up from 25 (thats when he got sick in January) to
32.

-Original
Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Wednesday, March 09,
2005 10:20
AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Uh-oh-oh update -pls
help!!

I took Uh-oh-oh to the vet
yesterday afternoon and heres what I found out

The good news was he was negative
on FeLV/FIV (thank god!) on ELISA When they did in house PCV test, his HCT
was 44 which was very good. But I
also had them sent out the blood work for the total body function so that I
can find out whats going on with him

And heres a sort of bad news, and
I am not sure whats going on and I need your help to understand
it.
His PCV (HCT) was much lower than
the results from the house, which is 32, but still within the normal range of
29 to 48
But his RBC and HGB was extremely
low. RBC is 1.8 (normal range
5.92 to 9.93) and HGB was 5.2 (range 9.3 to 15.9). His WBC was normal. His MCH was high 28.2 (range 11-21)
and MCHC was high as well as 75 (range 30 to 38). There was a comment underneath says
the sample appears hemolyzed.
Hematorit by manual method. Which I was not sure what it meant. His blood parasites came as
negative. Back in January, we
also did PCR test of Hematot (sorry, cant spell, but its for FIA) and came
back as negative what do you think going on? The fact that his RBC is now from 5.6
(in January) to 1.8 (yesterday) does this mean that his is not producing
blood what does it mean?? How
come his HCT is normal? (what
does HCT mean? Please help me
understand whats going on with Uh-oh-oh (I left a message with my vet to
discuss this further, also)

Hideyo
Uh-oh-oh

Re: Liver shake




Also, if you make it without the kelp/spirulina, I would use V-8 juice 
instead of carrot or tomato, because it includes greens in it (the vitamins that 
are in kelp/spirulina) and is somewhat salty.
Michelle

Re: Some More Virbagen Omega Info





I was told to give Lucy 5 mu at a time, which is a whole vial and would 
leave nothing over. She is almost 11 pounds. Nina, do you have some left over 
because Jazz or Grace weighs under 11 pounds and so gets less than 5 mu at a 
time?

Since Lucy appears not to need surgery, I am just holding on to the VO for 
now. We need to move in a few months and I may use it before the move.
Michelle

In a message dated 3/9/05 3:40:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 A: Studies have demonstrated a stability of 
  the molecule up to 3 weeks minimum at +4°C. Nevertheless, taking into 
  consideration the fact that there is no preservative in the formulation of the 
  product, the risk of contamination with fungus or bacteria exists. 
  Nevertheless, if injections are performed in asepsis conditions (sterile 
  needles...), the risk of contamination will be minimum.Kyle,This 
  is fantastic news! Thanks so much for finding this out for us. I 
  was terrified of using "left-over" feline interferon, now it appears it's safe 
  as long as adequate sterilization methods are used with the vials. I'm 
  so pleased, this means we can stretch the premeasured vials! I haven't 
  had time to explore the link you provided, but you can be sure I will. 
  I'm also going to forward it to my vet's office. I'll also send it to my 
  biochemist pal, Kate, and ask her to translate the last 
  paragraph!Thanks Kyle, you're a 
  gem!Nina

Re: Additional information for those interested in Virbagen Feline Omega Inte...

2005-03-09 Thread Skf95111

Dear Kyle:

Seroconversion means that the cat has cleared the virus and is no longer 
infected with it.  That is the best possible news for a cat that was FeLV+.

Sally in San Jose

Re: Kelp or Spirulina





In the shake, it's only 1 tsp kelp or spirulina for an amount of shake that 
should last 2 or 3 days (I make less of it at a time because I am not sure 
it keeps well), so I don't think that amount should overdose anyone on 
anything.
Michelle

In a message dated 3/9/05 8:42:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
They are 
  both high in iron. I was told to be careful by my homepathic vet with them 
  due to the high iron when my cat was anemic. But I did use the Spirulina 
  there is a drink with it at a the health stores and my cat seemed to like 
  the taste. It's high in B vitamins.You can do a search on the net 
  and should be able to order on line if you can't find it in the stores. 
  GNC carry kelp I think maybe the 
other.Carla

Re: Kelp or Spirulina

2005-03-09 Thread carlas

Michelle

That should be fine I would think also.

Carla

From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date sent:  Wed, 9 Mar 2005 14:31:20 EST
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Copies to:  Subject:Re: Kelp or Spirulina
Send reply to:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 In the shake, it's only 1 tsp kelp or spirulina for an amount of shake
 that  should last 2 or 3 days (I make less of it at a time because I
 am  not sure  it keeps well), so I don't think that amount should
 overdose anyone on  anything. Michelle

 In a message dated 3/9/05 8:42:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 They are  both high in iron. I was told to be careful by my 
 homepathic vet with them  due to the high iron when my cat was 
 anemic. But I did use the Spirulina  there is a drink with it at a the
 health stores and my cat seemed to like  the taste. It's high in B
 vitamins.

 You can do a search on the net  and should be able to order on line if
 you can't find it in the stores.  GNC carry kelp I think maybe the 
 other.

 Carla

RE: Uh-oh-oh update -pls help!!

2005-03-09 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

I am sorry I can not help, but I sending healing vibes your way
CherieHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:









By the way, his HCT was up from 25 (thats when he got sick in January) to 32.

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 10:20 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Uh-oh-oh update -pls help!!

I took Uh-oh-oh to the vet yesterday afternoon  and heres what I found out  
The good news was he was negative on FeLV/FIV (thank god!) on ELISA  When they did in house PCV test, his HCT was 44 which was very good. But I also had them sent out the blood work for the total body function so that I can find out whats going on with him  

And heres a sort of bad news, and I am not sure whats going on  and I need your help to understand it.
His PCV (HCT) was much lower than the results from the house, which is 32, but still within the normal range of 29 to 48  
But his RBC and HGB was extremely low. RBC is 1.8 (normal range 5.92 to 9.93) and HGB was 5.2 (range 9.3 to 15.9). His WBC was normal. His MCH was high 28.2 (range 11-21) and MCHC was high as well as 75 (range 30 to 38). There was a comment underneath says the sample appears hemolyzed. Hematorit by manual method. Which I was not sure what it meant. His blood parasites came as negative. Back in January, we also did PCR test of Hematot (sorry, cant spell, but its for FIA) and came back as negative  what do you think going on? The fact that his RBC is now from 5.6 (in January) to 1.8 (yesterday)  does this mean that his is not producing blood  what does it mean?? How come his HCT is normal? (what does HCT mean? Please help me understand whats going on with Uh-oh-oh (I left a message with my vet to discuss this further, also)

Hideyo  Uh-oh-oh

Re: Some More Virbagen Omega Info





I was splitting each vial between Jazz and Grace. The protocol I used
called for one large dose (3/4 of the vial) followed in subsequent
weeks by 1/4 of the vial (each day for 5 days). I would give the first
large dose to whomever was sicker, the middle phase both would get the
smaller amount (wasting 1/2 a vial), and then the other cat would
receive the larger dose during the last phase. Does this make sense?
Neither of them has ever received a full vial in one injection.
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  
  I was told to give Lucy 5 mu at a time, which is a whole vial
and would leave nothing over. She is almost 11 pounds. Nina, do you
have some left over because Jazz or Grace weighs under 11 pounds and so
gets less than 5 mu at a time?
  
  Since Lucy appears not to need surgery, I am just holding on to
the VO for now. We need to move in a few months and I may use it before
the move.
  Michelle
  
  In a message dated 3/9/05 3:40:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   A: Studies have
demonstrated a stability of the molecule up to 3 weeks minimum at +4C.
Nevertheless, taking into consideration the fact that there is no
preservative in the formulation of the product, the risk of
contamination with fungus or bacteria exists. Nevertheless, if
injections are performed in asepsis conditions (sterile needles...),
the risk of contamination will be minimum.

Kyle,
This is fantastic news! Thanks so much for finding this out for us. I
was terrified of using "left-over" feline interferon, now it appears
it's safe as long as adequate sterilization methods are used with the
vials. I'm so pleased, this means we can stretch the premeasured
vials! I haven't had time to explore the link you provided, but you
can be sure I will. I'm also going to forward it to my vet's office.
I'll also send it to my biochemist pal, Kate, and ask her to translate
the last paragraph!

Thanks Kyle, you're a gem!
Nina

Re: Help with medicating/pilling/ feline interferon





As for pilling, I have a lot of luck with covering the pill in Nutrical 
before pilling. It tastes good to them and lubricates it, and also makes it 
stick to their mouth when you pill them so harder to spit out.

I was also thinking of Nina's idea-- that those of us who can afford it try 
to keep some VO on hand so when any of us are in an emergency someone will have 
it and can send it (with reimbursement, of course). I had 3 boxes that were 
supposed to be for Simon but arrived too late. I sent one to Kyle. I have 
2 more I am holding on to. I will see if my regular vet can apply for it for 
Lucy so I can get more, in which case I could send more to people in emergency 
situations. But I want to keep some on hand. I would suggest everyone who 
can afford it start the process and at least get the application approved, even 
if not ordering the medicine, so that it is only a 2 week wait instead of 2 
month wait if you or someone else needs it.

Michelle

In a message dated 3/9/05 3:40:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Another 
  hint; after you get approval, have your vet send in another application. 
  That way you have an approved app waiting for you should you decide to order 
  more. Maybe we should all do this for each other on the list. That 
  way those in crisis will have feline interferon when they need it 
  most.

Re: Intercat by Toray Industries - Intercat IS Virbac's Feline Interferon.....





Virbac is the company that we have gotten our feline interferon from.
I was hoping Intercat was associated with a different company, (hoping
for a price reduction!). Oh well.
Nina

gg wrote:

  
  
  
  Hi Cherie,
  
  Sorry if there was any confusion regarding the links I sent!!
  
  The development of interferon was carried out by TORAY
INDUSTRIES (Japan)
The preparation of the active ingredient is done at TORAY (Japan)
  The active ingredient, i.e. the desalted bulk of interferon, is
transported from Toray (Japan) to VIRBAC (FRANCE).
  It's the same 'stuff' that is being ordered by members on this
list.
  
  Here is one of the messages from the felvlist
archives..(1999).
  
  Cheers!
  
  Glenda
  
  Our FeLV/FIV kitties  other stuff:
  http://community.webshots.com/user/sicky_icicle
  
  
  
  Feline interferon
  
  Cesar ( [EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
  Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:17:51 -0700 
  
  Hi, Sue and all
  
The problem we have with interferon (Intron-A) is that once it is
prepared, it loses part of efficiency quickly (my vet says), therefore,
we are attempting to verify what type of interferon you use which can
be kept during so much time, and in spite of the fact Salamanca is a
university city, unfortunately, there isn't vet school. :((
  
Concerning the possibility to obtain Intercat in USA or Europe, in the
web page of Toray laboratory we can read:
"Toray Gives Sole Developing and Marketing Rights for Intercat in
Europe to France-Based Virbac Toray Industries, Inc., has announced
that it has given rights to develop and market Intercat in Europe to
Virbac S.A., of France. Intercat is drawing international attention as
the world's first recombinant feline interferon agent for companion
animals. Under the arrangement, Virbac will work with Toray in
conducting clinical tests to acquire approval for Intercat from
European authorities. 
  
Toray foresees considerable demand for Intercat in Europe, where the
population of domesticated cats totals over 35 million -- almost 5
times the number in Japan. 
  
Headquartered in Nice, Virbac manufactures and markets pharmaceuticals
for animals worldwide -- the fifth largest supplier in the world of
such products for small animals. As part of its operations, Virbac is
developing Leucogen, a recombinant feline leukemia vaccine that is
already being marketed in Europe, USA and Japan. 
  
Through Kyoritsu Shoji K.K. (Headquarters: Tokyo; President:Yuriko
Takai), Toray has been marketing Intercat in Japan since
February 1994 as an antiviral agent effective against the infectious
disease commonly known as cats' cold, which is caused by feline
calicivirus. Development and marketing rights for Intercat in
the Americas have been given to Schering-Plough Corp., of the United
States, where the further development of Intercat is continuing." 
  
Well, I haven't found anything about Intercat at Schering-Plough
laboratory but at Virbac web page WE CAN READ:
"Interferon, the first veterinary antiviral agent. Developed by the
Japanese company TORAY, interferon is a natural compound with antiviral
properties.Used in Japan for calicivirosis in cats and parvovirosis in
dogs, interferon has inspired great hopes among European veterinarians.
  
  
In 1997, Virbac obtained exclusive rights for the distribution of this
drug in Europe, and the rights for its application for other
therapeutic indications." 
  
  http://www.virbac.fr
Why vets doesn't know this?. I will tell him IMMEDIATELLY!. 
If I would obtain more information, I will post.
  
Greetings
Cesar

RE: OT - We need your prayers

Hi, Nina. How is Zevon?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT - We need your prayers

Hi Everyone,
Bruce and I just got back from the Vet.  Our 8 year old German Shepherd 
Dog, Zevon has been having trouble with his back legs for the last 
couple of months.  I guess I've been in denial and have been giving him 
stuff for arthritis etc.  The vet (not his regular ortho surgeon, he's 
out of town at conferences), suspects either a disc problem or something

called, Degenerative Myelopathy, (a degenerative neurologic disease), 
something GSDs are prone to apparently.  He had to stay at the vet 
overnight to treat him intravenously with steroids to see if whatever is

causing his paralysis lessens.  The ER vet said that there is a chance 
that the steroid therapy alone could help him regain the full use of his

legs, (let's hope so, tonight's therapy is costing over $1100 bucks and 
we haven't even started diagnostic work yet).  If this doesn't help him,

Bruce and I have a tough decision to make.  About 4 years ago, Zevon 
took a leap off a very high cliff in Santa Barbara trying to get to the 
surf below.  He sustained severe sprains on both his front legs and we 
were told by three vets to have him PTS before we found a surgeon that 
took on his case and saved his life.  Zevon is a highly energetic dog 
that never lets pain get in his way of having a good time.  The 
operations and months of recooperative down-stays were extremely hard on

him.  He is also vulnerable to reinjury of his front legs and now with 
his back legs in jeopardy, not to mention the fact that he's no longer a

young dog, make his prognosis for a quality life in a wheel chair very 
poor.  Please include him in your prayers.  Please pray that tonight's 
treatment brings us a miracle of at least temporary recovery.  He's so 
important to our household, we all love him so much, dogs, cats and 
humans alike.  He's such a sweet soul, I don't know how we'd get along 
without him.

Thanks for caring,
Nina

Re: Some More Virbagen Omega Info

2005-03-09 Thread Melbeach

Here's some more info that applies to anemic FeLV
cats:

From the Product Information (http://www.emea.eu.int/vetdocs/PDFs/EPAR/virbagenomega/V-061-PI-en.pdf) file:
in anaemic cats, mortality rate of
about 60% at 4, 6, 9 and 12 months was reduced by approximately 30% following
treatment with interferon.
in non-anaemic cats, mortality rate of
50 % in cats infected by FeLV was reduced by 20% following treatment with
interferon. In cats infected by FIV, mortality was low (5%) and was not
influenced by the treatment.

This one here is encouraging: http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=141lang=eng. If you look at the chart on page 2, anemia got way better on day 14,
but tapered back down at day 120. Still way up at day 60
though!

Of course these are just two studies and
we all know how that works. Other studies might say the exact opposite. Still
encouraging though.

-Kyle

- Original Message -
From:
Melbeach

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 8:04
PM
Subject: Some More Virbagen Omega
Info

Found some more info on VO ya'll might be
interested in.

From Virbac's FAQ: http://www.virbagenomega.com/uk/faqcat

Q: After reconstitution of Virbagen® Omega, can the
vial be stored overnight and used on an animal the next
day?
A: Studies have demonstrated a stability of the
molecule up to 3 weeks minimum at +4°C. Nevertheless, taking into
consideration the fact that there is no preservative in the formulation of the
product, the risk of contamination with fungus or bacteria exists.
Nevertheless, if injections are performed in asepsis conditions (sterile
needles...), the risk of contamination will be minimum.
Q: Can Virbagen® Omega be frozen after
reconstitution?
A: Feline omega interferon is a glycoprotein which
is very stable in general. After resuspension, stability studies showed that
the solution was stable for at least 3 weeks at +4°C. According to knowledge
on the molecule, it does not seem there is any risk linked to freezing the
solution. Nevertheless, precise data concerning this type of storage are not
available to date. In any case, several cycles of freezing-thawing are not
recommended.

The official pdf documents filed with the European
Medicines Agency are here: http://www.emea.eu.int/vetdocs/vets/Epar/virbagenomega/virbagenomega.htm

The "Scientific Discussion" is real detailed and
informative.
The "Product Information" looks like the official
Product Insert info.

Australian FDA info: http://www.apvma.gov.au/gazette/gazette0111p14.shtml

A study where only 1 round of 5 injections was
applied for FeLV, instead of the recommended 3 rounds: http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=55lang=eng

I was interested in possible interference with
Immunoregulin and/or continuing with Immunoregulin after VO therapy is
complete. The Scientific Discussion has a small blurb that says "Due to the
indications for use, concomitant use of immunological products is not
recommended." Yet interestingly, the Product Information is silent on this. So
I emailed Virbac and they said:
"Unfortunately, as far as I am aware, ImmunoRegulin
is not available in Europe and we do not have any data on the use of it either
concurrently with Virbagen Omega or before/after VO treatment. There are
products available in Europe (Baypamun HK and Acemannan) that are similar in
concept to ImmunoRegulin. My understanding of these products is that they work
by inducing the production of endogenous cytokines (including Interferons) but
that placebo controlled studies have failed to demonstrate a significant
benefit of treatment with these products. On this basis I can see little
benefit in continuing with ImmunoRegulin treatment as Virbagen Omega
effectively bypasses the need to produce endogenous type 1 interferons and
will stimulate an immunological cascade itself."
Anyone know what that means?

-Kyle

Additional Info on the Six Stages of FeLV infection

2005-03-09 Thread gg




Kirk's Current Veterinary Therapy XIII Small Animal 
PracticeCVT Update: Feline Leukemia Virus pgs 281
Year Published: 2000

Dr. Alice M. Wolf, ACVIM, ABVP (Fe)(One of the Internal Medicine 
Consultants on the www.vin.com 
board.)


PATHOGENESIS OF FELV

Following infection, FeLV has a specific pattern or 
replication that affects the results of FeLV testing and the clinical signs that 
may be seen in an individual cat.

STAGE I: Days 2 - 4Replication: In local 
lymphoid tissue (retropharyngeal, tonsil, gastrointestinal mucosal).Clinical 
Signs: None to mild viral (fever)FeLV status: All tests negative at this 
timePrognosis: Majority recover

STAGE II: Days 1 - 14Replication: Few 
circulating lymphocytes and mononuclear cells (primary Viremia)Clinical 
Signs: None, or mild viral signsFeLV status: Serum ELISA becomes 
positive, PCR may be positive, (IFA, saliva, tears 
negative)Prognosis: Most recover, possible latency (6-30 mo)

STAGE III Days 3 - 12Replication: 
Systemic lymphoid centers (germinal centers)Clinical Signs: None, or mild to 
moderate viral signsFeLV status: Serum ELISA positive, PCR positive, 
(IFA, saliva, tears negative) Prognosis: Recovery for many, 
possible future lymphosarcoma

STAGE IV Days 7 - 21Replication: Bone 
marrow stem cells, epithelial cellsClinical Signs: Peripheral blood 
alterations, viral signsFeLV status: Serum ELISA, PCR, bone marrow 
IFA positive (peripheral-blood IFA positive or negative, saliva, tears 
negative)Prognosis: Likely to progress to persistent 
infection

STAGE V Days 14 - 28Replication: Marrow 
origin, general viremiaClinical Signs: All associated hematologic and 
systemic FeLV signs possibleFeLV status: Serum ELISA, PCR, bone 
marrow, and peripheral-blood IFA positive (saliva, tears 
negative)Prognosis: Persistent Viremia, recovery from this 
stage of infection is rare

STAGE VI Days 28 - ?Replication: Marrow 
Viremia, widespread epithelial and lymphoid replicationClinical Signs: Any 
associated with FeLV
FeLV status: Serum ELISA, PCR, BM and peripheral 
blood IFA, ELISA on saliva and tears may be positive
Prognosis: Long term prognosis is grave, 83% of cats die 
within 3.5 years in multicat households, longevity is increased for single cats 
with good veterinary care.

Re: OT - We need your prayers

Hi Hideyo,
Thanks for asking about Zevon.  He's really out of it because of his 
pain med patch, but we still have to watch him carefully because he 
refuses to recognize his limitations.  He's suppose to be on 6 to 8 
weeks of crate rest.  It's very hard on him to not be able to follow us 
around the house, or run to the window to bark at anyone with the nerve 
to walk by.  We still don't know if the steroid therapy has helped.  
We're having to use a support strap to allow him to walk because he 
can't put weight on his back legs and they splay out from under him.   
This morning I watched while my husband took him out to relieve himself, 
(the dog, not my husband!).  I watched in horror while Zevon squatted to 
urinate as Bruce continued to support him with the strap.  Of course, Z 
peed all over our new, expensive support strap!  Nothing lasts long in 
this house!

He has refused food and hasn't eaten since Monday at 4:30pm. (except for 
a bit of dog biscuit which he held in his mouth for 30 seconds before 
deciding it was a good idea to chew and eat it).  I'm thinking it's 
because of the fentanyl patch.  I may remove it early and see if it helps.
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:
Hi, Nina. How is Zevon?
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT - We need your prayers
Hi Everyone,
Bruce and I just got back from the Vet.  Our 8 year old German Shepherd 
Dog, Zevon has been having trouble with his back legs for the last 
couple of months.  I guess I've been in denial and have been giving him 
stuff for arthritis etc.  The vet (not his regular ortho surgeon, he's 
out of town at conferences), suspects either a disc problem or something

called, Degenerative Myelopathy, (a degenerative neurologic disease), 
something GSDs are prone to apparently.  He had to stay at the vet 
overnight to treat him intravenously with steroids to see if whatever is

causing his paralysis lessens.  The ER vet said that there is a chance 
that the steroid therapy alone could help him regain the full use of his

legs, (let's hope so, tonight's therapy is costing over $1100 bucks and 
we haven't even started diagnostic work yet).  If this doesn't help him,

Bruce and I have a tough decision to make.  About 4 years ago, Zevon 
took a leap off a very high cliff in Santa Barbara trying to get to the 
surf below.  He sustained severe sprains on both his front legs and we 
were told by three vets to have him PTS before we found a surgeon that 
took on his case and saved his life.  Zevon is a highly energetic dog 
that never lets pain get in his way of having a good time.  The 
operations and months of recooperative down-stays were extremely hard on

him.  He is also vulnerable to reinjury of his front legs and now with 
his back legs in jeopardy, not to mention the fact that he's no longer a

young dog, make his prognosis for a quality life in a wheel chair very 
poor.  Please include him in your prayers.  Please pray that tonight's 
treatment brings us a miracle of at least temporary recovery.  He's so 
important to our household, we all love him so much, dogs, cats and 
humans alike.  He's such a sweet soul, I don't know how we'd get along 
without him.

Thanks for caring,
Nina

Re: Additional Info on the Six Stages of FeLV infection





Glenda,
Thank you very much for the stage info. I'm not sure I believe the
"time-line" used though. I think the advancement of stages is much
more related to individual cats than indicated, otherwise we'd have a
much better idea how long it takes to develop critical symptoms. I
still feel strongly that if we can administer feline interferon before
stage four, (before a positive reading on an IFA), it might help boost
their immune systems enough to clear the disease. I'd love to see a
study on this. We should contact Virbagen or research vets to see if
anyone is interested in conducting such a study.
Nina

gg wrote:

  
  
  
  Kirk's Current Veterinary Therapy XIII Small Animal
Practice
CVT Update: Feline Leukemia Virus pgs 281
  Year Published: 2000
  
  Dr. Alice M. Wolf, ACVIM, ABVP (Fe)
(One of the Internal Medicine Consultants on the www.vin.com board.)
  
  
  PATHOGENESIS OF FELV
  
  Following infection, FeLV has a specific pattern
or replication that affects the results of FeLV testing and the
clinical signs that may be seen in an individual cat.
  
  STAGE I: Days 2 - 4
Replication: In local lymphoid tissue (retropharyngeal, tonsil,
gastrointestinal mucosal).
Clinical Signs: None to mild viral (fever)
FeLV status: All tests negative at this time
Prognosis: Majority recover
  
  STAGE II: Days 1 - 14
Replication: Few circulating lymphocytes and mononuclear cells (primary
Viremia)
Clinical Signs: None, or mild viral signs
FeLV status: Serum ELISA becomes positive, PCR may be
positive, (IFA, saliva, tears negative)
  Prognosis: Most recover, possible latency (6-30 mo)
  
  STAGE III Days 3 - 12
Replication: Systemic lymphoid centers (germinal centers)
Clinical Signs: None, or mild to moderate viral signs
FeLV status: Serum ELISA positive, PCR positive, (IFA, saliva,
tears negative) 
  Prognosis: Recovery for many, possible future lymphosarcoma
  
  STAGE IV Days 7 - 21
Replication: Bone marrow stem cells, epithelial cells
Clinical Signs: Peripheral blood alterations, viral signs
FeLV status: Serum ELISA, PCR, bone marrow IFA positive
(peripheral-blood IFA positive or negative, saliva, tears negative)
  Prognosis: Likely to progress to persistent infection
  
  STAGE V Days 14 - 28
Replication: Marrow origin, general viremia
Clinical Signs: All associated hematologic and systemic FeLV signs
possible
FeLV status: Serum ELISA, PCR, bone marrow, and
peripheral-blood IFA positive (saliva, tears negative)
  Prognosis: Persistent Viremia, recovery from this stage of
infection is rare
  
  STAGE VI Days 28 - ?
Replication: Marrow Viremia, widespread epithelial and lymphoid
replication
Clinical Signs: Any associated with FeLV
  FeLV status: Serum ELISA, PCR, BM and
peripheral blood IFA, ELISA on saliva and tears may be positive
  Prognosis: Long term prognosis is grave, 83% of
cats die within 3.5 years in multicat households, longevity is
increased for single cats with good veterinary care.

FIV positive list question (Cross Posting)

2005-03-09 Thread TatorBunz





Cross Posting: Do Not Reply To Me


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writes:
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RE: Help with medicating/pilling/ feline interferon










I would like to apply for it, but never found
out exactly what I needed to  I called the phone number on the archive,
but no one called me back.



Do you know what process I need to take?



Thank you!

Hideyo



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005
1:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Help with
medicating/pilling/ feline interferon







As for
pilling, I have a lot of luck with covering the pill in Nutrical before
pilling. It tastes good to them and lubricates it, and also makes it stick to
their mouth when you pill them so harder to spit out.











I was
also thinking of Nina's idea-- that those of us who can afford it try to keep
some VO on hand so when any of us are in an emergency someone will have it and
can send it (with reimbursement, of course). I had 3 boxes that were supposed
to be for Simon but arrived too late. I sent one to Kyle. I have 2 more I
am holding on to. I will see if my regular vet can apply for it for Lucy so I
can get more, in which case I could send more to people in emergency situations.
But I want to keep some on hand. I would suggest everyone who can afford it
start the process and at least get the application approved, even if not
ordering the medicine, so that it is only a 2 week wait instead of 2 month wait
if you or someone else needs it.











Michelle











In a
message dated 3/9/05 3:40:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:





Another
hint; after you get approval, have your vet send in another application. That
way you have an approved app waiting for you should you decide to order
more. Maybe we should all do this for each other on the list. That
way those in crisis will have feline interferon when they need it most.

RE: Uh-oh-oh update -pls help!!










I just talked to my vet
about Uh-oh-ohs low RBC  and she told me not to worry about it  his HCT is
good and she has seen lower RBC  and he is going to be fine  so I will just
keep an eye on him for now.



Thank you!



Hideyo



-Original Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005
1:09 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Uh-oh-oh update -pls
help!!







I think
the rise in his HCT is very, very good.





Michelle





By the way, his HCT was up from 25 (thats
when he got sick in January) to 32.

Re: Help with medicating/pilling/ feline interferon

Your vet needs to send an application for special dispensation (approval to 
import) to the FDA. There is an email in the archives (I can find it and send 
it if you can't-- I saved it somewhere on my computer) that has the info the 
vet needs to send. The FDA then takes about a month or so to approve it (I 
recommend hassling them after a few weeks) and faxes the approval to your vet 
(if 
you ask for it to be faxed).  Your vet can then order the VO from England. The 
order form is in another email which I saved somewhere. Let me know if you 
want me to send it.
Michelle


In a message dated 3/9/05 5:13:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Great idea Michelle, I know we have talked about it before but, where do I 
start with the application process. Thanks 
Cherie

Re: Uh-oh-oh update -pls help!!


That's great news!
Michelle

In a message dated 3/9/05 6:43:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:



 I just talked to my vet about Uh-oh-oh's low RBC - and she told me not
to worry about it - his HCT is good and she has seen lower RBC - and he
is going to be fine - so I will just keep an eye on him for now.
 
Thank you!
 
Hideyo

Re: Feline Interferon

2005-03-09 Thread Skf95111

Dear Michelle:

How thoughtful of you to share some of your VO with Kyle.  Is it helping?

Stockpiling the stuff is a good strategy, would that I could afford to do so. 
 For now it is all I can do just to afford the immune-boosting supplements.  
Now if I could win that pie in the sky lottery (but can't afford to buy 
tickets for that, either) I could buy stock in the company, or maybe bribe 
someone 
in the FDA.  I keep hoping and praying if and when my two remaining positives 
may need some, I will be able to afford it and one of you less financially 
challenged listmembers may have some on hand to spare that I could buy.

They really need to do some more studies to determine if this is a reliable 
treatment for helping an FeLV+ cat in stage 1-4 to seroconvert.  And what it 
can and can't do to reliably benefit those cats who are already stage 5 and 
persistently viremic, or stage 6 and crashing.  I've been told it IS possible 
to 
determine which subgroup of virus cats are infected with, but this is only 
germane in a research setting.  And it is possible using the ELISA and IFA 
tests 
to determine which cats are still in the very early stages of infection or 
already have it settled in their bone marrow.  Do you think we could find 
someone 
at a vet institution who would be interested in monitoring some home trials?  
Lord knows we have an ample supply of study candidates on this list.  I don't 
suppose the company would be willing to provide the VO at a reduced cost, by 
any chance?  Dream on.

lSally in San Jose

feline interferon-- how to seek approval to import from FDA




Here is the info from an old posting:


Dear Ms. Meyer:

This is in response to your e-mail inquiry 
to the Center for Veterinary Medicine home page concerning the 
importation of a drug that is not approved in the U.S. FDA's Center for 
Veterinary Medicine grants permission on limited basis to allow small amounts of 
unapproved animal drugs to enter the U.S. Permission to import drugs for patient 
use will be granted subject to the unavailability of suitable FDA approved 
(human or veterinarian) drugs; either because of shortages; or because drugs are 
unavailable in the U.S. to give a suitable therapeutic result. Secondly, 
permission is only granted in those instances where the drug is considered as 
medically necessary veterinary drug. 

A veterinarian would need to make a formal 
request in writing to import the drug. It is also important to note that to 
import a drug; the animal must be under professional medical care through a 
valid veterinarian-client-patient relationship. Prescription orders will 
be limited to a 90-day supply/pet. Prescription renewals will need to be 
re-requested this office for additional 90-day supplies. 

The letter should 
include the veterinarian clinic's letterhead, his or her signature 
and the following information:



  Veterinarian name, address and phone 
  number 
  Clinic name and address 
  Client's name and address 
  Patient name and species 
  Name of Drug 
  Drug Family or class 
  Name and address of drug supplier 
  Legal status of the drug in the foreign country 
  
  Amount to be imported (non-commercial quantity) 
  
  Disease condition to be treated 
  Reason why an approved human or animal drug will not 
  treat the disease condition 
  A statement that: 
o 
you will notify the owner that the drug is not approved
o 
that the drug will not be use of food animals

  And that you will notify FDA if the are any adverse 
  reactions 
  How did you learn about the 
  existence of this drug? 

As part of FDA's regulatory discretion FDA may 
cancel permission at any time. Generally, rescinding permission to 
import medically necessary drugs is based upon new scientific information and 
knowledge about new or current therapies available in the U.S. such as new drug 
approvals.

Please refer all inquiries and status questions at the 
address below:

 
 Ms. Toni Wooten
 
 Division of Compliance, HFV-236
 
 Center for Veterinary Medicine 
Food  Drug 
Administration
Metro 
Park North
 
7500 
Standish Place 
Rockville, MD 20855

301-594-0796
 
FAX 
301-827-1498

I hope this is helpful.

Sincerely yours,

FDA/CVM Home 
Page

Re: Help with medicating/pilling/ feline interferon




I posted the info on how to apply to the FDA, how to order from Abbey Vet, 
and a data sheet to give to your vet -- in 3 separate emails. However, at least 
two of the emails are awaiting approval by the moderator before they will show 
up on the list, because of the PDF attachments, I guess. But you should get the 
info soon.
Michelle

Re: feline interferon-- how to seek approval to import from FDA

2005-03-09 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

Thank you Michelle, I will forward the information to my vetjust precautionaryCherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Here is the info from an old posting:


Dear Ms. Meyer:

This is in response to your e-mail inquiry to the Center for Veterinary Medicine home page concerning the importation of a drug that is not approved in the U.S. FDA's Center for Veterinary Medicine grants permission on limited basis to allow small amounts of unapproved animal drugs to enter the U.S. Permission to import drugs for patient use will be granted subject to the unavailability of suitable FDA approved (human or veterinarian) drugs; either because of shortages; or because drugs are unavailable in the U.S. to give a suitable therapeutic result. Secondly, permission is only granted in those instances where the drug is considered as medically necessary veterinary drug. 

A veterinarian would need to make a formal request in writing to import the drug. It is also important to note that to import a drug; the animal must be under professional medical care through a valid veterinarian-client-patient relationship. Prescription orders will be limited to a 90-day supply/pet. Prescription renewals will need to be re-requested this office for additional 90-day supplies. 

The letter should include the veterinarian clinic's letterhead, his or her signature and the following information:



Veterinarian name, address and phone number 
Clinic name and address 
Client's name and address 
Patient name and species 
Name of Drug 
Drug Family or class 
Name and address of drug supplier 
Legal status of the drug in the foreign country 
Amount to be imported (non-commercial quantity) 
Disease condition to be treated 
Reason why an approved human or animal drug will not treat the disease condition 
A statement that: 
o you will notify the owner that the drug is not approved
o that the drug will not be use of food animals

And that you will notify FDA if the are any adverse reactions 
How did you learn about the existence of this drug? 

As part of FDA's regulatory discretion FDA may cancel permission at any time. Generally, rescinding permission to import medically necessary drugs is based upon new scientific information and knowledge about new or current therapies available in the U.S. such as new drug approvals.

Please refer all inquiries and status questions at the address below:

  Ms. Toni Wooten
  Division of Compliance, HFV-236
  Center for Veterinary Medicine 
Food  Drug Administration
Metro Park North
 7500 Standish Place 
Rockville, MD 20855

301-594-0796
 FAX 301-827-1498

I hope this is helpful.

Sincerely yours,

FDA/CVM Home Page

Anakin is gone

2005-03-09 Thread catstevens




When I took him to the vet he could not even 
stand.The vet said most of the medication won't help he's to for gone  most 
take time to work  he doesn't time.She said he was not getting enough blood 
to his heart  he has a heart murmur.Shesaid his kidneys were alot 
smaller.She went totake abit of blood he didn't even move,but she 
said there was so little blood left in himshe couldn't.She said that the 
best thingwe could do for him is topts.So we all said it was time,We 
said our good bye's  I stayed with him when she put the needle in he didn't 
even move.I stayed there patting him  tell him how much we love him.It's so 
hard.Thank you all so much for everything.Anakin iswith all our fur babies 
thehave past.
 
Love Anita

Re: Anakin is gone

2005-03-09 Thread Sheila208

I'm so sorry for your loss. I've cried so many tears over my baby Tip and when I read of another loss it starts all over again. You were lucky to have your special Anakin and he was so blessed to have you to love and care for him. Try to remember only the good times and know that he is happy and healthy and waiting to be with you again someday.

Love, Sheila
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Re: Anakin is gone

2005-03-09 Thread Kathy Koutsis

I'm so sorry Anita. I know it must by so hard to go through. Take care.
Kathycatstevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




When I took him to the vet he could not even stand.The vet said most of the medication won't help he's to for gone  most take time to work  he doesn't time.She said he was not getting enough blood to his heart  he has a heart murmur.Shesaid his kidneys were alot smaller.She went totake abit of blood he didn't even move,but she said there was so little blood left in himshe couldn't.She said that the best thingwe could do for him is topts.So we all said it was time,We said our good bye's  I stayed with him when she put the needle in he didn't even move.I stayed there patting him  tell him how much we love him.It's so hard.Thank you all so much for everything.Anakin iswith all our fur babies thehave past.
 Love Anita

Re: Anakin is gone

2005-03-09 Thread Kris Kulak

I'm so sorry. You did all you could and he loved you dearly. I'm sure he knew he was loved and he's at peace. I feel so bad for you. I know it's hard. Just try to remember that others are herethat care for you and feel your loss. Be at peace yourself and remember him as a happy and loved baby.

Kristinacatstevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




When I took him to the vet he could not even stand.The vet said most of the medication won't help he's to for gone  most take time to work  he doesn't time.She said he was not getting enough blood to his heart  he has a heart murmur.Shesaid his kidneys were alot smaller.She went totake abit of blood he didn't even move,but she said there was so little blood left in himshe couldn't.She said that the best thingwe could do for him is topts.So we all said it was time,We said our good bye's  I stayed with him when she put the needle in he didn't even move.I stayed there patting him  tell him how much we love him.It's so hard.Thank you all so much for everything.Anakin iswith all our fur babies thehave past.
 Love Anita

RE: Anakin is gone

Anita,
I feel for you I am so sorry you had to go through that, but think no more pain and running and playing with other furrbabies, my thoughts and prayers are with you, be strong I know it is hard.we are all here for you.
CherieTracy Weese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




I'm sorry Anakin lost his fightbut you are right, he will not be lonely--so many fur babies to welcome him home.


Tracy 

- Original Message - 
From: catstevens 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: 3/9/2005 10:29:57 PM 
Subject: Anakin is gone

When I took him to the vet he could not even stand.The vet said most of the medication won't help he's to for gone  most take time to work  he doesn't time.She said he was not getting enough blood to his heart  he has a heart murmur.Shesaid his kidneys were alot smaller.She went totake abit of blood he didn't even move,but she said there was so little blood left in himshe couldn't.She said that the best thingwe could do for him is topts.So we all said it was time,We said our good bye's  I stayed with him when she put the needle in he didn't even move.I stayed there patting him  tell him how much we love him.It's so hard.Thank you all so much for everything.Anakin iswith all our fur babies thehave past.
 Love Anita

Re: Virbagen Omega Interferon - Availability

Have not heard, but definately keep us posted.
CherieMarlene Chornie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




 Does anyone know if Virbagen Omega Interferon is available for use in Canada? I recently read somewhere that it is now licensed for use here in Canada - but can't locate the website that I saw it on. Any input/info would be appreciated.

Thanks

RE: Anakin is gone

2005-03-10 Thread Doljan, Joan

Title: Message



I am 
so sorry Anita. You and Anakin tried to hard to a bit more time. I am sure 
he knows how much you loved him and is now at peace.

Joan

  
  -Original Message-From: catstevens 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 10:30 
  PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Anakin is 
  gone
  When I took him to the vet he could not even 
  stand.The vet said most of the medication won't help he's to for gone  
  most take time to work  he doesn't time.She said he was not getting 
  enough blood to his heart  he has a heart murmur.Shesaid his 
  kidneys were alot smaller.She went totake abit of blood he didn't 
  even move,but she said there was so little blood left in himshe 
  couldn't.She said that the best thingwe could do for him is 
  topts.So we all said it was time,We said our good bye's  I stayed 
  with him when she put the needle in he didn't even move.I stayed there patting 
  him  tell him how much we love him.It's so hard.Thank you all so much for 
  everything.Anakin iswith all our fur babies thehave 
  past.
   
  Love Anita

Re: Anakin is gone

2005-03-10 Thread Melbeach




Oh Anita, that really sucks. I'm 
sorry.
-Kyle

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  catstevens 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 10:30 
  PM
  Subject: Anakin is gone
  
  When I took him to the vet he could not even 
  stand.The vet said most of the medication won't help he's to for gone  
  most take time to work  he doesn't time.She said he was not getting 
  enough blood to his heart  he has a heart murmur.Shesaid his 
  kidneys were alot smaller.She went totake abit of blood he didn't 
  even move,but she said there was so little blood left in himshe 
  couldn't.She said that the best thingwe could do for him is 
  topts.So we all said it was time,We said our good bye's  I stayed 
  with him when she put the needle in he didn't even move.I stayed there patting 
  him  tell him how much we love him.It's so hard.Thank you all so much for 
  everything.Anakin iswith all our fur babies thehave 
  past.
   
  Love Anita

Re: Feline Interferon

2005-03-10 Thread Melbeach





It was extremely thoughtful for Michelle to share. I 
was surprised to say the least! Hopefully I can return the favor to someone one 
of these days. Right now, I'm running into a stubborn vet. I gave him Nina's 
vet's info on Monday and he still hasn't called her. I think he's just 
overwhelmed and doesn't want to admit it. English isn't his first language. So I 
think he might have problems with the FDA letter. I'm going to have to compose 
the letter myself.

As of now, we haven't started the VO yet. I was 
wondering at first if 1 round of 5 shots would help Brissle, because the 
protocol calls for 3 rounds of 5. We've concluded that it could only help and it 
looks like Paolo had results from 1 round. So I want to go ahead, but again I'm 
running into a stubborn vet. So far, I've been popping up with one medicine 
after another, hitting him with questions he can't answer and I think he's 
overwhelmed by that too. I dont think he realizes that the VO trumps the 
others.

After the transfusion 12 days ago, Brissle has been 
doing great. She's back to normal habits, gaining weight. She hasn't refused 
food yet. I'm confused about this. With HCT of 9.7% and HGB of 3.1 two weeks 
ago, she should have crashed again by now. We've been combining Immunoregulin 
plus human Interferon. Could that actually be working? My vet thought a false 
positive on the FeLV Elisa test was unlikely because the test detects antigens, 
not antibodies. Don't know about that. A hemobart test wasn't done. Well I know 
the anemia is real. She still licks the patio and her nose is only light pink. 
Much better than day one though. Her nose was completely gray then! She hasn't 
lost any color since the transfusion.

So right now, my vet wants to wait for the 7 day off 
cycle of the human interferon to end before starting the VO. That would be next 
Friday and that just ain't gonna happen. I have to demand that we start in the 
next couple days. I know it's best to start while the cat is 
healthy.

I've thought about getting a different vet too. But 
something tells me I would run into the same thing. So far I've directed the 
whole show, so maybe he feels threatened. It's almost like child psychology. I 
have to leave something up to him so he feels like he's doing his job. I feel 
bad because he used his own personal cat for Brissle's blood transfusion. So I 
know his heart is there. He's a really nice guy. I just have to get him in gear. 
Any advice for a stubborn vet?

Thanks for listening. I'll keep everyone posted on 
Brissle's progress.

-Kyle


- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 7:35 
PM
Subject: Re: Feline Interferon
 Dear Michelle:  How thoughtful of you to share some 
of your VO with Kyle. Is it helping?  Stockpiling the 
stuff is a good strategy, would that I could afford to do so.  For 
now it is all I can do just to afford the immune-boosting supplements. 
 Now if I could win that pie in the sky lottery (but can't afford to buy 
 tickets for that, either) I could buy stock in the company, or maybe 
bribe someone  in the FDA. I keep hoping and praying if and when 
my two remaining positives  may need some, I will be able to afford it 
and one of you less financially  challenged listmembers may have some on 
hand to spare that I could buy.  They really need to do some 
more studies to determine if this is a reliable  treatment for helping 
an FeLV+ cat in stage 1-4 to seroconvert. And what it  can and 
can't do to reliably benefit those cats who are already stage 5 and  
persistently viremic, or stage 6 and crashing. I've been told it IS 
possible to  determine which subgroup of virus cats are infected with, 
but this is only  germane in a research setting. And it is 
possible using the ELISA and IFA tests  to determine which cats are 
still in the very early stages of infection or  already have it settled 
in their bone marrow. Do you think we could find someone  at a vet 
institution who would be interested in monitoring some home trials? 
 Lord knows we have an ample supply of study candidates on this 
list. I don't  suppose the company would be willing to provide the 
VO at a reduced cost, by  any chance? Dream on.  
lSally in San Jose

Re: Anakin is gone

2005-03-10 Thread carlas

Anita

I am very sad to hear that Anakin has left you. It's very a hard 
decision to end their pain and to add to yours. Even though your 
heart is breaking please know you did the best for Anakin and he 
will be by your side always in spirit and in your heart forever.

Again I am very sorry for your loss,
Carla




Date sent:  Wed, 09 Mar 2005 19:30:08 -0800
From:   catstevens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Copies to:  Subject:Anakin is gone
Send reply to:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 When I took him to the vet he could not even stand.The vet said most
 of the medication won't help he's to for gone  most take time to work
  he doesn't time.She said he was not getting enough blood to his
 heart  he has a heart murmur.She said his kidneys were alot
 smaller.She went to take a bit of blood he didn't even move,but she
 said there was so little blood left in him she couldn't.She said that
 the best thing we could do for him is to pts.So we all said it was
 time,We said our good bye's  I stayed with him when she put the
 needle in he didn't even move.I stayed there patting him  tell him
 how much we love him.It's so hard.Thank you all so much for
 everything.Anakin is with all our fur babies the have past.
 Love Anita

RE: Please add Bethany Cat (BC) to the CLS

Danielle,
My thoughts and prayers are with you, concentrate on the good times, and loving memories.
Cherie"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm sorry for your loss, Danielle. Like most (if not all) people on thelist, I know how painful it is to lose a little furball.I hope you're comforted by your good memories of Bethany Cat.take care, Kerry-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DanielleSent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 8:31 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Please add Bethany Cat (BC) to the CLSWe had to say "goodbye".DanielleWhen our eyes see our hands doing the work of our hearts, the circle ofcreation is completed,Inside us, the doors of our souls fly open and love steps forth to healeverything in sight."-Michael BridgeDo you want to foster or adopt a Border Collie?http://bcrescue.dogsaver.org/This email and any files
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Re: Feline Interferon

2005-03-10 Thread Melbeach

Thanks for the advice Sally. We're really close now. So I think I'll stick it
thru with my vet. Really, we just have one or two humps to get over and we
should be on the same page. I think I'm forcing him to hit the books again.
One of the assistants told me I'm the first person she's seen actually try to
save a FeLV cat. I did ask yesterday about me giving the shots and my vet said
he would show me.

As far as interference, my vet actually wants to use the ImmunoRegulin
concurrently. Here's what a Virbac rep emailed me about that:

There are products available in Europe (Baypamun HK and Acemannan) that are
similar in concept to ImmunoRegulin. My understanding of these products is
that they work by inducing the production of endogenous cytokines (including
Interferons) but that placebo controlled studies have failed to demonstrate a
significant benefit of treatment with these products. On this basis I can see
little benefit in continuing with ImmunoRegulin treatment as Virbagen Omega
effectively bypasses the need to produce endogenous type 1 interferons and
will stimulate an immunological cascade itself.

Ooooh. An immunological cascade. I want some of that!

So I'll be working on that letter tonight. Thanks so much for the help all of
you out there have provided. I can't imagine if I never found this board!

-Kyle


- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: Feline Interferon


 Dear Kyle:

 A vet who isn't on the same page with you is a tough one.  There is the
 option of finding another vet who will be more cooperative but I can
understand
 your not wanting to seem ungrateful for the fact he cared enough to use his
own
 cat as the blood donor for Brissle.

 I would definitely prepare the letter PDQ; if he's not a native speaker of
 English and doesn't have an office assistant to do that for him, he may even
 appreciate the gesture, but be sure and tell him, very diplomatically, that
you
 did so as you thought he might be very busy and you didn't want to put an
undue
 burden on him but just want to expedite the process, for Brissle's sake.

 But there is also a limit to how much slack you should give a vet whose
 treatment protocol just isn't what you think it should be. You did pay for
his
 services for the transfusion, did you not?  I isn't like he did it for free,
so if
 you continue to feel uncomfortable, I'd start shopping around for a vet who
 is not afraid to communicate with you and allow you to be an active
participant
 in Brissle's treatment.  Where are you located?  Are there other vets
 available within a reasonable distance?  I'd start calling around and make a
list of
 questions to ask that will help you decide if another vet will be more
 cooperative and perhaps better informed about treating FeLV.  If not, it
sounds like
 this vet is at least willing to try to treat Brissle and is not totally
close
 minded about it.

 If you have some VO already and Brissle's condition starts to deteriorate,
 you may want to decide on your own whether or not to give it, yourself.  Do
you
 know how to give an injection?  The needles for that type of med/dose are
very
 small so it is only a small prick for the cat.  Nina can tell you how she
has
 done it for her cats.  You could tell your vet because of the number of days
 and timing, you need to learn how to do it yourself and ask him to show you,
 or, tell him you'd like to learn so you can give her the Vitamin B shots at
 home, to reduce the stress of having to bring her to the clinic each time.
 Reducing stress for immunocompromised cats is a valid concern and he should
 understand that.

 I can sympathize with your situation.  I do rescue and $ is always an issue
 so I appreciate a vet who will cooperate and help me learn to do as many
 things, myself, as possible.  One of the most reasonable vets, $-wise, in my
area is
 Chinese and sometimes communicating with him is an effort, making sure he
 understands where I'm coming from and that I understand what he is saying.
He is
 not high tech and he's generally traditional, but his instincts based on his
 years of experience are good and doesn't believe FeLV+ cats must to be PTS.
 When I come in with a new idea, he kind of chuckles now.  Sometimes it takes
 time to build up a good rapport with a vet, though in a critical situation
with
 an FeLV+ kitty crashing, time is of the essence.

 As I understand it, the main reason for the on/off protocol for the
 interferon-alpha  is because of the possibility for a cat to build up
antibodies, but I
 also understand with the lower dosage (1 ml is most typically prescribed),
 that is unlikely.  It is much more of a consideration when higher doses are
 used. It does not seem logical that you would need to wait to start with the
VO,
 which is feline-specific, so the production of antibodies should not be an
 issue.  Is your vet concerned about some sort of interaction with

For Hideyo: I'm SOOO scared - i need your support!

2005-03-10 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.

Title: Message

Sending lots of positive energy for your kitty, Hideyo. But MC is
right--even if your little sweetie does turn out to have FeLV, healthy adult
cats usually seem to remain negative. But I hope Uh-oh gets better soon. Keep us
posted when you get time.
take
care, Kerry

-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005
11:49 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: I'm
SOOO scared - i need your support!

Thank you, Barbara, I appreciate your kind words. You are right, there
is one time when I opened a fortune cookie at a Chinese restaurant never
trouble a trouble until a trouble troubles you I certainly do not sap the
positive energy for Uh-oh (oh) by my worrying please keep tell me this so that
I wont fall back J

Hugs from Hideyo
Uh-oh-oh

-Original
Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Barbara
LoweSent:
Tuesday, March 08,
2005 10:46
AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: I'm SOOO scared - i need your
support!

calm down. your household is the
equivalent of kitty kindergarten. one kid sneezes they all get colds, for
example. worrying is sapping your postive energy and you need that right now.
worrying does nothing but paralyze you. don't overwhelm yourself with such
negative thoughts, okay?

save your strength for when you will
need it.

good luck at
vet's.

barbara

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Re: Anakin is gone

2005-03-10 Thread Terri Brown





Big hugs to you -- I completely know how you feel.

Goodnight, sweet Anakin...

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  - Original Message - 
  From: catstevens 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 10:30 
  PM
  Subject: Anakin is gone
  
  When I took him to the vet he could not even 
  stand.The vet said most of the medication won't help he's to for gone  
  most take time to work  he doesn't time.She said he was not getting 
  enough blood to his heart  he has a heart murmur.Shesaid his 
  kidneys were alot smaller.She went totake abit of blood he didn't 
  even move,but she said there was so little blood left in himshe 
  couldn't.She said that the best thingwe could do for him is 
  topts.So we all said it was time,We said our good bye's  I stayed 
  with him when she put the needle in he didn't even move.I stayed there patting 
  him  tell him how much we love him.It's so hard.Thank you all so much for 
  everything.Anakin iswith all our fur babies thehave 
  past.
   
  Love Anita

RE: Anakin is gone

2005-03-10 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.

Title: Message

Anita,
I've only caught up with your recent posts about Anakin. I'm so sorry,I
really, reallyfeel for you. It's so painful watching our precious little
furballs suffer, and devastating when you have to make the decision to say
goodbye. My Levi also succumbed to anemia. I had no idea until then that anemia
was so serious.
From
everything you say about Anakin's condition, you did the kindest thing for him.
But it's so hard, I know. So, sohard.
I'm
gladAnakin knew what it was to have such a loving, caring friend as you.
And hard though it is to accept, he is in a better place now than suffering as
he did at the end.
lots
of love and hugs, Kerry

-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of catstevensSent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 9:30
PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Anakin is
gone
When I took him to the vet he could not even
stand.The vet said most of the medication won't help he's to for gone most
take time to work he doesn't time.She said he was not getting enough blood
to his heart he has a heart murmur.Shesaid his kidneys were alot
smaller.She went totake abit of blood he didn't even move,but she
said there was so little blood left in himshe couldn't.She said that the
best thingwe could do for him is topts.So we all said it was time,We
said our good bye's I stayed with him when she put the needle in he didn't
even move.I stayed there patting him tell him how much we love him.It's so
hard.Thank you all so much for everything.Anakin iswith all our fur babies
thehave past.

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OT - originator of cat hunting request

2005-03-10 Thread Barb Moermond

Gee, guess he didn't know what he was getting himself into. 


http://www.channel3000.com/news/4272832/detail.htmlBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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Re: Virbagen Omega Interferon - Availability





Marlene,
Here is the email address for the agency in Canada that I first
contacted when I was looking into VO's availability there. If you look
through the archives you'll find my posts about the wonderful woman
that helped get it approved for emergency use. I had asked her if I
could give out her name and she said she preferred I didn't, (although
she is a vet, she doesn't have a practice). I'm sure you'll be able to
find it through this email address. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Let me know if you can't and I'll contact her directly and get you the
info. 
Good luck, let us know what happens,
Nina

Marlene Chornie wrote:

  
  
  
   Does anyone know if Virbagen Omega Interferon is available
for use in Canada? I recently read somewhere that it is now licensed
for use here in Canada - but can't locate the website that I saw it
on. Any input/info would be appreciated.
  
  Thanks

Re: OT - originator of cat hunting request

2005-03-10 Thread Barb Moermond

I'll send a link tomorrow (it's in today's paper) that has letters from many people on this topic. The situation and causes behind it are stated quite well in several of them.Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

If you go in a little further there is a discussion forum for this also..the link is under the don't shoot the cat link
I must say I do agree with some of the threats he has gotten
CherieBarb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Gee, guess he didn't know what he was getting himself into. 


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RE: Anakin is gone

2005-03-10 Thread Steve Williams




It's 
been hard for me to hear about all the kitties who have passed on. Forgive 
me for not sending individual condolences for recent losses. It is only 
because I feel grief for you alltoo strongly that I am not able to visit 
the subject, but in fits and starts.

My 
Leeloo passed from Anemia very quickly, before I was able to help here 
alone. Anita, May your heart be as peace that you were able to help your 
baby along without pain. Everyone here sees what unbelievable care you 
gave Anakin. He had the very best life possible for the longest time 
possible. You simply wouldn't be on this list if you weren't the perfect 
parent.

Bless 
you,

Steve

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of 
  catstevensSent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 7:30 PMTo: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Anakin is 
  gone
  When I took him to the vet he could not even 
  stand.The vet said most of the medication won't help he's to for gone  
  most take time to work  he doesn't time.She said he was not getting 
  enough blood to his heart  he has a heart murmur.Shesaid his 
  kidneys were alot smaller.She went totake abit of blood he didn't 
  even move,but she said there was so little blood left in himshe 
  couldn't.She said that the best thingwe could do for him is 
  topts.So we all said it was time,We said our good bye's  I stayed 
  with him when she put the needle in he didn't even move.I stayed there patting 
  him  tell him how much we love him.It's so hard.Thank you all so much for 
  everything.Anakin iswith all our fur babies thehave 
  past.
   
  Love Anita

Re: Feline Interferon - vet specialists

Kyle
 Right now, I'm running into a stubborn vet.
I'm sorry to be blunt Kyle, but I think you're going to have to find 
yourself another vet. Look for a veterinary hospital with an internist 
on staff, or at least on call. Writing a letter or applying to the FDA 
on your own won't do you any good. Michelle just re-posted the necessary 
requirements for application procedure and it has to go through a vet. 
We all have to pummel our vets with questions and suggestions, find 
yourself a vet that isn't threatened by that. My vet actually told me 
she appreciates all the investigative work I do for her! IMO Brissle's 
life is on the line here and you don't have time to waste trying to 
figure out how to best approach your vet. Find a more knowledgeable vet, 
if not in the treatment of FeLV, at least someone more cutting edge that 
is willing to look into innovative treatments and procedures. I love my 
GP vet, she's a wonderful older lady that I trust, but she's not up to 
helping me with anything out of the ordinary.

Nina
Melbeach wrote:
It was extremely thoughtful for Michelle to share. I was surprised to 
say the least! Hopefully I can return the favor to someone one of 
these days. Right now, I'm running into a stubborn vet. I gave him 
Nina's vet's info on Monday and he still hasn't called her. I think 
he's just overwhelmed and doesn't want to admit it. English isn't his 
first language. So I think he might have problems with the FDA letter. 
I'm going to have to compose the letter myself.

As of now, we haven't started the VO yet. I was wondering at first if 
1 round of 5 shots would help Brissle, because the protocol calls for 
3 rounds of 5. We've concluded that it could only help and it looks 
like Paolo had results from 1 round. So I want to go ahead, but again 
I'm running into a stubborn vet. So far, I've been popping up with one 
medicine after another, hitting him with questions he can't answer and 
I think he's overwhelmed by that too. I dont think he realizes that 
the VO trumps the others.

After the transfusion 12 days ago, Brissle has been doing great. She's 
back to normal habits, gaining weight. She hasn't refused food yet. 
I'm confused about this. With HCT of 9.7% and HGB of 3.1 two weeks 
ago, she should have crashed again by now. We've been combining 
Immunoregulin plus human Interferon. Could that actually be working? 
My vet thought a false positive on the FeLV Elisa test was unlikely 
because the test detects antigens, not antibodies. Don't know about 
that. A hemobart test wasn't done. Well I know the anemia is real. She 
still licks the patio and her nose is only light pink. Much better 
than day one though. Her nose was completely gray then! She hasn't 
lost any color since the transfusion.

So right now, my vet wants to wait for the 7 day off cycle of the 
human interferon to end before starting the VO. That would be next 
Friday and that just ain't gonna happen. I have to demand that we 
start in the next couple days. I know it's best to start while the cat 
is healthy.

I've thought about getting a different vet too. But something tells me 
I would run into the same thing. So far I've directed the whole show, 
so maybe he feels threatened. It's almost like child psychology. I 
have to leave something up to him so he feels like he's doing his job. 
I feel bad because he used his own personal cat for Brissle's blood 
transfusion. So I know his heart is there. He's a really nice guy. I 
just have to get him in gear. Any advice for a stubborn vet?

Thanks for listening. I'll keep everyone posted on Brissle's progress.
-Kyle
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: Feline Interferon
 Dear Michelle:

 How thoughtful of you to share some of your VO with Kyle. Is it helping?

 Stockpiling the stuff is a good strategy, would that I could afford 
to do so.
 For now it is all I can do just to afford the immune-boosting 
supplements.
 Now if I could win that pie in the sky lottery (but can't afford to buy
 tickets for that, either) I could buy stock in the company, or maybe 
bribe someone
 in the FDA. I keep hoping and praying if and when my two remaining 
positives
 may need some, I will be able to afford it and one of you less 
financially
 challenged listmembers may have some on hand to spare that I could buy.

 They really need to do some more studies to determine if this is a 
reliable
 treatment for helping an FeLV+ cat in stage 1-4 to seroconvert. And 
what it
 can and can't do to reliably benefit those cats who are already 
stage 5 and
 persistently viremic, or stage 6 and crashing. I've been told it IS 
possible to
 determine which subgroup of virus cats are infected with, but this 
is only
 germane in a research setting. And it is possible using the ELISA 
and IFA tests
 to determine which cats are still in the very early

Re: Some More Virbagen Omega Info

Kyle,
Nina, are you sure you really have a way to keep the unused sterile? I'd be
really worried about that.
No, it is a risk, but when I was considering using the left-over before, I had two worries, the sterilization factor, and I wasn't sure if the interferon would break down and become either useless, or worse, somehow harmful to them.  I'm pleased because from what you found out, it seems there is only one worry! :) 

Your crack about the Great Dane dosage made me smile.  I know that one of the 
uses for Feline Interferon for dogs is in the treatment of Parvo, since puppies 
are the ones that usually are treated for Parvo, I guess it would only cost 1 
grand.
It is heartbreaking that something with so much potential should be so hard to 
procure and pay for.
Nina 

Melbeach wrote:
Well the Product Information says 1 MU/kg body weight. So the 5 MU vial would
be for a 5 kg cat, which is exactly 11 lbs (5 x 2.2) on the money. So Lucy is
exactomundo with 1 vial! Then Jazz is 4.05 kg, so say 80% of the vial. Then
Grace is 3.09 kg, so say 60% of the vial. I guess your vet is saying what the
hell, if we got it let's use it.
For dogs, it's 2.5 MU/kg. So a great dane costs what, 10 grand to inject?
Nina, are you sure you really have a way to keep the unused sterile? I'd be
really worried about that.
-Kyle
- Original Message - 
From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: Some More Virbagen Omega Info

 

The last time they were weighed, (I haven't invested in a scale), was on
11/24.  Jazz was 8lb, 15oz and Grace was 6lb, 13oz.  They've both gained
weight since then, especially Grace.  It seems to me 21bs is a pretty
big discrepancy, but they suggested the same amounts of VO for both.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   

How much do they weigh? The dose is weight-dependent.
Michelle
In a message dated 3/9/05 3:15:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   I was splitting each vial between Jazz and Grace.  The protocol I
   used called for one large dose (3/4 of the vial) followed in
   subsequent weeks by 1/4 of the vial (each day for 5 days).  I
   would give the first large dose to whomever was sicker, the middle
   phase both would get the smaller amount (wasting 1/2 a vial), and
   then the other cat would receive the larger dose during the last
   phase.  Does this make sense?  Neither of them has ever received a
   full vial in one injection.
   Nina

Re: Anakin is gone

2005-03-10 Thread catatonya

I'm so sorry, Anita. Anakin is well again now.

tonyacatstevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




When I took him to the vet he could not even stand.The vet said most of the medication won't help he's to for gone  most take time to work  he doesn't time.She said he was not getting enough blood to his heart  he has a heart murmur.Shesaid his kidneys were alot smaller.She went totake abit of blood he didn't even move,but she said there was so little blood left in himshe couldn't.She said that the best thingwe could do for him is topts.So we all said it was time,We said our good bye's  I stayed with him when she put the needle in he didn't even move.I stayed there patting him  tell him how much we love him.It's so hard.Thank you all so much for everything.Anakin iswith all our fur babies thehave past.
 Love Anita

Re: Some More Virbagen Omega Info

2005-03-10 Thread Lernermichelle





If you use one needle to mix, another to inject, and a third to draw and 
inject the remainder, it should remain sterile. We have vials of medicine we 
inject our dog with, and each vial lasts about 25 injections or so. It is 
supposed to remain sterile, because each needle is sterile when it goes in to 
draw it. Of course, maybe it also has preservatives in it that we don't know 
about.
Michelle

In a message dated 3/10/05 9:30:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Nina, 
  are you sure you really have a way to keep the unused sterile? I'd 
  bereally worried about that.

Re: Some More Virbagen Omega Info

2005-03-10 Thread Lernermichelle




Actually I don't know why I said that about preservatives. They would have 
nothing to do with keeping it sterile.
Michelle

Re: Interesting Lab finding

You are mom, and definately know best...
CherieHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:







What is the likelihood of false negative on ELISA tests if it came back three times as negatives for the period of a couple of months?

I am trying to figure out whats going on with Uh-oh-oh. One important information that I found out from my holistic vet was that  its almost 99% of the time, if not 100%, the value of HGB on the lab test is 1/3 of his/her HCT level  meaning that HCT level is three times as much as HGB no matter what a condition of animal is  and Uh-oh-ohs HGB was only 1/6 of his HCT level  and his conclusion was that something was definitely wrong with the lab result itself  it just does not happen that way. He also said MCHC (?) is never never go higher than the normal range  

So, I took a look at all the blood work results of all of my 50 plus cats and 4 dogs I have done during the past 10 years or so, which collected to almost 100 of them (as I did multiple tests for some cats)  and he is right, 100 % of the time, all of their HGB level is, if not exactly 1/3, very very close to 1/3 of their HCT level. So, I am going to have Uh-oh-ohs CBC re-checked so that I can narrow it down or eliminate, and focus on whats really going on with Uh-oh-oh.

He is playing and eating, but I just know that he is not 100%, and cant figure it out why (probably other people wouldnt even notice)  he just seem a bit weak  we did FeLV tests on him three times now since I got him in January 1, 2005. They are all negative. But I also know that, some times it could show on negative on blood work, but may show positive on bone marrow  and was just curious what the likelihood of that  or am I too paranoid??

Thank you for you input

Re: Some More Virbagen Omega Info

Also, my vet said to wipe the vial top with alcohol before each 
injection into the vial.  Michelle R. sent me home with another 
sterilizing agent to wipe after the alcohol as well.  I can't remember 
what it's called, I think it begins with an M (the wording has run off 
the plastic bag), I'll ask her next time I talk to her.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you use one needle to mix, another to inject, and a third to draw 
and inject the remainder, it should remain sterile. We have vials of 
medicine we inject our dog with, and each vial lasts about 25 
injections or so.  It is supposed to remain sterile, because each 
needle is sterile when it goes in to draw it. Of course, maybe it also 
has preservatives in it that we don't know about.
Michelle
 
In a message dated 3/10/05 9:30:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Nina, are you sure you really have a way to keep the unused
sterile? I'd be
really worried about that.

Re: Interesting Lab finding