Re: Here is the link/vet school in austin
Hey Glenda, I just read the post below. It says there is a veterinary school in Austin, TX, but the only veterinary school in Texas is at Texas AM University in College Station, probably a couple of hours or more from Austin. I just wanted to clarify that in case someone reading the post tried to find one in Austin. University of Texas (in Austin) does not have a veterinary school (not yet anyway). :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:38:46 AM Subject: Re: Here is the link Tonya, I'm going to answer you directly on this, since you addressed me personally. Ok ,this is the deal: I'm new here, I have picked up the basics and I have learned them well. I am not a gambler. Maybe that is the core difference between those of us not willing to risk mixing our FeLV+ guys with our FIV+ guys. I was incredibly touched by Sherry's love and enthusiasim for her most adored little kitty Mystique. My heart just goes out to Sherry so much. I cry almost always when I read about these kitties dying and I just want to give all you guys a big hug when one of you is hurting. When I was told Mystique was only FIV+ I felt so happy and hopeful. When I was told she was mixing freely with FeLV+ kitties everyday, swapping saliva, etc. I panicked. Remember, I AM NOT A GAMBLER. I told Sherry my feelings, as gently as possible. I have so far in the short time I have been on this list, been told over and over again, that the FeLV vaccine is only 75% -90% effective...It used to be only 75%-85%, but there is talk, now, that there has been a slight improvement. My personal vets also tell me these #'s , so at least I feel I am as informed as anyone here. As for FIV+ kitties, I have researched thir disease too. I worked hard a couple months back to convince a couple people here, in my town, not to put their FIV+ kittens to sleep over this disease. I researched and studied for several days to learn all I could to back my argument. I learned #1 : that their immune system is compromised. I learned#2: that this disease is much easier to deal with than FeLV. I learned often kittens can throw this disease, if say, contracted through the mother. This disease is a piece of cake, compared to Felv. I also learned it is possible for a non- gambler like myself, to mix an FIV+ kitty with my disease free guys as long as the FIV+ guy does not tend to fight and bite...I also learned FIV+ guys can have a longer natural life than Felv+guys... Everyone, who has been here a while, has to know these same things ,but some here are willing to GAMBLE and some are NOT. I do not feel I can afford to risk any cat's life that is in my care by mixing a FeLV+ with my healthy group and if I happened to have an FIV+ kitty I would be even more paranoid to mix with a FelV+ kitty. If there is anyone here, that can tell me some SCIENTIFIC REASON, I am wrong in my opinion, PLEASE come back to me . I came here to learn. I appreciate the stories of how this person or that ,might have had a disease free cat live 20+ years among FeLV+ kitties and never contract the disease. This is where I get my hope. This makes me feel so happy, gives me strength...These stories are almost as helpful to my spirit as the actual scientific information I get here is helpful to my mind. I also, love just the emotional support here. I think these three things is what keeps most of us here? A sibling of mine, is a veterinarin. While researching which university to go to, came up with the opinion the three best schools in the country for veterinary medicine were as follows, University of Colorado, in Fort Collins, The University of California in Napa, and lastly,the the University right down there in Austin, Texas where Susan is. All very renowed in the world of veterinary medicine...I just realized that last night after reeling from something I read hateful here... Nobody here is without a clue and nobody here is stupid . I never heard anything of the sort said, until yesterday. UGH! All I can say is GOD BLESS everyone of you loving, dear people and let's all try to get along, learn from each other and appreciate our differences. The reason we are here, is for our cats first. We just all want to do what is right for them...Too bad people have to be so jacked up...oh well, ENOUGH ! Have a good day! --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glenda, In my approximately 10 years on this list I have never heard of a cat with fiv 'catching' felv from a mixed situation. Now cats do test initially sometimes for both. But I have had fiv cats mixed with felv with no problem. It's not a perfect world, and Sherry and Crash's Landing do so much good that I think you should calm down on the heavy judgements
Re: Here is the link/vet school in austin
Glenda is no longer on the list. Yes, Austin has no veterinary school. Typically the land grant college in each state will have the vet school, the other one will not. Virginia Tech has a vet school, University of Virginia does not. Auburn has a vet school, University of Alabama does not. There are a few states that do not follow this pattern. Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, Minnesota, Missouri. Not every state has a veterinary school - Maryland shares one with Virginia. On 9/30/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Glenda, I just read the post below. It says there is a veterinary school in Austin, TX, but the only veterinary school in Texas is at Texas AM University in College Station, probably a couple of hours or more from Austin. I just wanted to clarify that in case someone reading the post tried to find one in Austin. University of Texas (in Austin) does not have a veterinary school (not yet anyway). :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:38:46 AM Subject: Re: Here is the link Tonya, I'm going to answer you directly on this, since you addressed me personally. Ok ,this is the deal: I'm new here, I have picked up the basics and I have learned them well. I am not a gambler. Maybe that is the core difference between those of us not willing to risk mixing our FeLV+ guys with our FIV+ guys. I was incredibly touched by Sherry's love and enthusiasim for her most adored little kitty Mystique. My heart just goes out to Sherry so much. I cry almost always when I read about these kitties dying and I just want to give all you guys a big hug when one of you is hurting. When I was told Mystique was only FIV+ I felt so happy and hopeful. When I was told she was mixing freely with FeLV+ kitties everyday, swapping saliva, etc. I panicked. Remember, I AM NOT A GAMBLER. I told Sherry my feelings, as gently as possible. I have so far in the short time I have been on this list, been told over and over again, that the FeLV vaccine is only 75% -90% effective...It used to be only 75%-85%, but there is talk, now, that there has been a slight improvement. My personal vets also tell me these #'s , so at least I feel I am as informed as anyone here. As for FIV+ kitties, I have researched thir disease too. I worked hard a couple months back to convince a couple people here, in my town, not to put their FIV+ kittens to sleep over this disease. I researched and studied for several days to learn all I could to back my argument. I learned #1 : that their immune system is compromised. I learned#2: that this disease is much easier to deal with than FeLV. I learned often kittens can throw this disease, if say, contracted through the mother. This disease is a piece of cake, compared to Felv. I also learned it is possible for a non- gambler like myself, to mix an FIV+ kitty with my disease free guys as long as the FIV+ guy does not tend to fight and bite...I also learned FIV+ guys can have a longer natural life than Felv+guys... Everyone, who has been here a while, has to know these same things ,but some here are willing to GAMBLE and some are NOT. I do not feel I can afford to risk any cat's life that is in my care by mixing a FeLV+ with my healthy group and if I happened to have an FIV+ kitty I would be even more paranoid to mix with a FelV+ kitty. If there is anyone here, that can tell me some SCIENTIFIC REASON, I am wrong in my opinion, PLEASE come back to me . I came here to learn. I appreciate the stories of how this person or that ,might have had a disease free cat live 20+ years among FeLV+ kitties and never contract the disease. This is where I get my hope. This makes me feel so happy, gives me strength...These stories are almost as helpful to my spirit as the actual scientific information I get here is helpful to my mind. I also, love just the emotional support here. I think these three things is what keeps most of us here? A sibling of mine, is a veterinarin. While researching which university to go to, came up with the opinion the three best schools in the country for veterinary medicine were as follows, University of Colorado, in Fort Collins, The University of California in Napa, and lastly,the the University right down there in Austin, Texas where Susan is. All very renowed in the world of veterinary medicine...I just realized that last night after reeling from something I read hateful here... Nobody here is without a clue and nobody here is stupid . I never heard anything of the sort said, until yesterday. UGH! All I can say is GOD BLESS everyone of you loving, dear people and let's all try to get along, learn from each other and appreciate our
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hey kelley, interesting to know! what does 'land grant' mean? thanks, :) wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:05:51 AM Subject: Re: Here is the link/vet school in austin Glenda is no longer on the list. Yes, Austin has no veterinary school. Typically the land grant college in each state will have the vet school, the other one will not. Virginia Tech has a vet school, University of Virginia does not. Auburn has a vet school, University of Alabama does not. There are a few states that do not follow this pattern. Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, Minnesota, Missouri. Not every state has a veterinary school - Maryland shares one with Virginia. On 9/30/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Glenda, I just read the post below. It says there is a veterinary school in Austin, TX, but the only veterinary school in Texas is at Texas AM University in College Station, probably a couple of hours or more from Austin. I just wanted to clarify that in case someone reading the post tried to find one in Austin. University of Texas (in Austin) does not have a veterinary school (not yet anyway). :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:38:46 AM Subject: Re: Here is the link Tonya, I'm going to answer you directly on this, since you addressed me personally. Ok ,this is the deal: I'm new here, I have picked up the basics and I have learned them well. I am not a gambler. Maybe that is the core difference between those of us not willing to risk mixing our FeLV+ guys with our FIV+ guys. I was incredibly touched by Sherry's love and enthusiasim for her most adored little kitty Mystique. My heart just goes out to Sherry so much. I cry almost always when I read about these kitties dying and I just want to give all you guys a big hug when one of you is hurting. When I was told Mystique was only FIV+ I felt so happy and hopeful. When I was told she was mixing freely with FeLV+ kitties everyday, swapping saliva, etc. I panicked. Remember, I AM NOT A GAMBLER. I told Sherry my feelings, as gently as possible. I have so far in the short time I have been on this list, been told over and over again, that the FeLV vaccine is only 75% -90% effective...It used to be only 75%-85%, but there is talk, now, that there has been a slight improvement. My personal vets also tell me these #'s , so at least I feel I am as informed as anyone here. As for FIV+ kitties, I have researched thir disease too. I worked hard a couple months back to convince a couple people here, in my town, not to put their FIV+ kittens to sleep over this disease. I researched and studied for several days to learn all I could to back my argument. I learned #1 : that their immune system is compromised. I learned#2: that this disease is much easier to deal with than FeLV. I learned often kittens can throw this disease, if say, contracted through the mother. This disease is a piece of cake, compared to Felv. I also learned it is possible for a non- gambler like myself, to mix an FIV+ kitty with my disease free guys as long as the FIV+ guy does not tend to fight and bite...I also learned FIV+ guys can have a longer natural life than Felv+guys... Everyone, who has been here a while, has to know these same things ,but some here are willing to GAMBLE and some are NOT. I do not feel I can afford to risk any cat's life that is in my care by mixing a FeLV+ with my healthy group and if I happened to have an FIV+ kitty I would be even more paranoid to mix with a FelV+ kitty. If there is anyone here, that can tell me some SCIENTIFIC REASON, I am wrong in my opinion, PLEASE come back to me . I came here to learn. I appreciate the stories of how this person or that ,might have had a disease free cat live 20+ years among FeLV+ kitties and never contract the disease. This is where I get my hope. This makes me feel so happy, gives me strength...These stories are almost as helpful to my spirit as the actual scientific information I get here is helpful to my mind. I also, love just the emotional support here. I think these three things is what keeps most of us here? A sibling of mine, is a veterinarin. While researching which university to go to, came up with the opinion the three best schools in the country for veterinary medicine were as follows, University of Colorado, in Fort Collins, The University of California in Napa, and lastly,the the University right down there in Austin
Re: Here is the link/vet school in austin
Land-grant universities (also called land-grant colleges or land grant institutions) are institutions of higher education in the United States that have been designated by the United States Congress to receive the benefits of the Morrill Acts of 1862 and 1890. The Morrill Acts funded educational institutions by granting federally controlled land to the states. The mission of these institutions, as set forth in the 1862 Act, is to teach agriculture, military tactics, and the mechanic arts, not to the exclusion of classical studies, so that members of the working classes might obtain a practical college education. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land-grant_university On 9/30/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey kelley, interesting to know! what does 'land grant' mean? thanks, :) wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:05:51 AM Subject: Re: Here is the link/vet school in austin Glenda is no longer on the list. Yes, Austin has no veterinary school. Typically the land grant college in each state will have the vet school, the other one will not. Virginia Tech has a vet school, University of Virginia does not. Auburn has a vet school, University of Alabama does not. There are a few states that do not follow this pattern. Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, Minnesota, Missouri. Not every state has a veterinary school - Maryland shares one with Virginia. On 9/30/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Glenda, I just read the post below. It says there is a veterinary school in Austin, TX, but the only veterinary school in Texas is at Texas AM University in College Station, probably a couple of hours or more from Austin. I just wanted to clarify that in case someone reading the post tried to find one in Austin. University of Texas (in Austin) does not have a veterinary school (not yet anyway). :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:38:46 AM Subject: Re: Here is the link Tonya, I'm going to answer you directly on this, since you addressed me personally. Ok ,this is the deal: I'm new here, I have picked up the basics and I have learned them well. I am not a gambler. Maybe that is the core difference between those of us not willing to risk mixing our FeLV+ guys with our FIV+ guys. I was incredibly touched by Sherry's love and enthusiasim for her most adored little kitty Mystique. My heart just goes out to Sherry so much. I cry almost always when I read about these kitties dying and I just want to give all you guys a big hug when one of you is hurting. When I was told Mystique was only FIV+ I felt so happy and hopeful. When I was told she was mixing freely with FeLV+ kitties everyday, swapping saliva, etc. I panicked. Remember, I AM NOT A GAMBLER. I told Sherry my feelings, as gently as possible. I have so far in the short time I have been on this list, been told over and over again, that the FeLV vaccine is only 75% -90% effective...It used to be only 75%-85%, but there is talk, now, that there has been a slight improvement. My personal vets also tell me these #'s , so at least I feel I am as informed as anyone here. As for FIV+ kitties, I have researched thir disease too. I worked hard a couple months back to convince a couple people here, in my town, not to put their FIV+ kittens to sleep over this disease. I researched and studied for several days to learn all I could to back my argument. I learned #1 : that their immune system is compromised. I learned#2: that this disease is much easier to deal with than FeLV. I learned often kittens can throw this disease, if say, contracted through the mother. This disease is a piece of cake, compared to Felv. I also learned it is possible for a non- gambler like myself, to mix an FIV+ kitty with my disease free guys as long as the FIV+ guy does not tend to fight and bite...I also learned FIV+ guys can have a longer natural life than Felv+guys... Everyone, who has been here a while, has to know these same things ,but some here are willing to GAMBLE and some are NOT. I do not feel I can afford to risk any cat's life that is in my care by mixing a FeLV+ with my healthy group and if I happened to have an FIV+ kitty I would be even more paranoid to mix with a FelV+ kitty. If there is anyone here, that can tell me some SCIENTIFIC REASON, I am wrong in my opinion, PLEASE come back to me . I
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thanks Kelley! i will file that info. away on my mental rolodex... :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 10:18:36 AM Subject: Re: Here is the link/vet school in austin Land-grant universities (also called land-grant colleges or land grant institutions) are institutions of higher education in the United States that have been designated by the United States Congress to receive the benefits of the Morrill Acts of 1862 and 1890. The Morrill Acts funded educational institutions by granting federally controlled land to the states. The mission of these institutions, as set forth in the 1862 Act, is to teach agriculture, military tactics, and the mechanic arts, not to the exclusion of classical studies, so that members of the working classes might obtain a practical college education. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land-grant_university On 9/30/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey kelley, interesting to know! what does 'land grant' mean? thanks, :) wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:05:51 AM Subject: Re: Here is the link/vet school in austin Glenda is no longer on the list. Yes, Austin has no veterinary school. Typically the land grant college in each state will have the vet school, the other one will not. Virginia Tech has a vet school, University of Virginia does not. Auburn has a vet school, University of Alabama does not. There are a few states that do not follow this pattern. Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, Minnesota, Missouri. Not every state has a veterinary school - Maryland shares one with Virginia. On 9/30/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Glenda, I just read the post below. It says there is a veterinary school in Austin, TX, but the only veterinary school in Texas is at Texas AM University in College Station, probably a couple of hours or more from Austin. I just wanted to clarify that in case someone reading the post tried to find one in Austin. University of Texas (in Austin) does not have a veterinary school (not yet anyway). :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:38:46 AM Subject: Re: Here is the link Tonya, I'm going to answer you directly on this, since you addressed me personally. Ok ,this is the deal: I'm new here, I have picked up the basics and I have learned them well. I am not a gambler. Maybe that is the core difference between those of us not willing to risk mixing our FeLV+ guys with our FIV+ guys. I was incredibly touched by Sherry's love and enthusiasim for her most adored little kitty Mystique. My heart just goes out to Sherry so much. I cry almost always when I read about these kitties dying and I just want to give all you guys a big hug when one of you is hurting. When I was told Mystique was only FIV+ I felt so happy and hopeful. When I was told she was mixing freely with FeLV+ kitties everyday, swapping saliva, etc. I panicked. Remember, I AM NOT A GAMBLER. I told Sherry my feelings, as gently as possible. I have so far in the short time I have been on this list, been told over and over again, that the FeLV vaccine is only 75% -90% effective...It used to be only 75%-85%, but there is talk, now, that there has been a slight improvement. My personal vets also tell me these #'s , so at least I feel I am as informed as anyone here. As for FIV+ kitties, I have researched thir disease too. I worked hard a couple months back to convince a couple people here, in my town, not to put their FIV+ kittens to sleep over this disease. I researched and studied for several days to learn all I could to back my argument. I learned #1 : that their immune system is compromised. I learned#2: that this disease is much easier to deal with than FeLV. I learned often kittens can throw this disease, if say, contracted through the mother. This disease is a piece of cake, compared to Felv. I also learned it is possible for a non- gambler like myself, to mix an FIV+ kitty with my disease free guys as long as the FIV+ guy does not tend to fight and bite...I also learned FIV+ guys can have a longer natural life than Felv+guys... Everyone, who has been here
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I just wanted to clarify, though its really not important, that Tennessee does have a veterinary school at a land grant university. The University of Tennessee College of Veterinary Medicine, which is a Land-Grand University. Michael ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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Sorry, I'm not really that familiar with Tennessee! I know Virginia and Alabama because my dad and brother both graduated from Virginia Tech and I graduated from UA. Is UT the only state university? I know that there's Vanderbilt, but that's privately supported if my info is correct. K On 9/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just wanted to clarify, though its really not important, that Tennessee does have a veterinary school at a land grant university. The University of Tennessee College of Veterinary Medicine, which is a Land-Grand University. Michael See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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Vanderbilt is a private school. The system in TN is sort of unique, I believe. We have the University of Tennessee system, which governs the UT schools: Knoxville, Chattanooga, Martin. We also have the Tennessee Board of Regents system that governs Tennessee State University (our other land grant school-Memphis I think), Austin Peay State University (middle TN-Clarksville), Middle Tennessee State University (Murfreesboro), East Tennessee State University (NE TN, Johnson City), and Tennessee Technological University (Middle TN- Crossville). ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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Thank you Beth for being much more diplomatic than me. :) tonya Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the FIV cats have not been given a death sentence, they have been vaccinated for a much reduced risk of a catching FeLV. They are weighing that risk against the risk of death on the streets or in a kill shelter. If anyone believes that that risk is not justified they can say so in a much nicer way than calling the place a hell hole and attacking poor Sherry. From my experience, I do believe that some rescues are too set on the idea that declaws are neccesary to attract adopters. Our local rescue declaws every kitten it can before offering it for adoption. When I told one of their volunteers that I was looking for a clawed companion for my clawed one-year old, she looked horrified and actually said What about the furniture? A politely worded letter to the director telling them that they lost out on an adoption can have more impact than jumping into impassioned rhetoric and telling them they're in the dark ages. Beth On 9/25/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allowing mixed pet cats to stay together that have already been exposed is one thing altogether. Deliberately exposing already immune compromised fiv+ cats to felv+ is giving them a death sentence. While she (Not Sherry, the owner) collects donations for this and tells everyone, We do the best that we can. Question, as far as declawing, are the adopters even asked or is it just a given? Sounds like the dark ages. And besides, a cat that is fiv+ is stillvery adoptable, w/an education programset in place. A cat that is felv+ is much harder. A cat that is fiv+ and exposed to felv is just about impossible. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Beth Noren To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 1:16 AM Subject: Re: Here is the link Glenda, many of us here mix our vaccinated negatives with our positives. It is a calculated risk that takes into account quality of life, as is your decision to allow your cats outside. In my situation, with my neighborhood and my street-senseless cats, an outdoor kitty is a risk that I won't take. Your situation may be very different. I guess I am just trying to suggest that we ALL care deeply for our cats, and that we be gentler with each other when voicing our different opinions. It does the cats no good if all of us crazy cat ladies start attacking each other. Sherry has worked so hard, and takes each loss so personally, and for that I thank her. Best wishes, Beth, Blue, Moxie, Dash, Scooter. and Will Feral
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Just one comment... The risk of death for an FIV cat at a kill shelter is mentioned... You might want to read the fine print of many many NO KILL shelters that also PTS FIV, FeLV and even the entire litter because just one kitten dies of FIP... Life it self is a risk... What about the risk you give to your kitties by jumping in your car and drive to the store to get supplies... Tad catatonya wrote: Thank you Beth for being much more diplomatic than me. :) tonya Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the FIV cats have not been given a death sentence, they have been vaccinated for a much reduced risk of a catching FeLV. They are weighing that risk against the risk of death on the streets or in a kill shelter. If anyone believes that that risk is not justified they can say so in a much nicer way than calling the place a hell hole and attacking poor Sherry. From my experience, I do believe that some rescues are too set on the idea that declaws are neccesary to attract adopters. Our local rescue declaws every kitten it can before offering it for adoption. When I told one of their volunteers that I was looking for a clawed companion for my clawed one-year old, she looked horrified and actually said What about the furniture? A politely worded letter to the director telling them that they lost out on an adoption can have more impact than jumping into impassioned rhetoric and telling them they're in the dark ages. Beth On 9/25/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allowing mixed pet cats to stay together that have already been exposed is one thing altogether. Deliberately exposing already immune compromised fiv+ cats to felv+ is giving them a death sentence. While she (Not Sherry, the owner) collects donations for this and tells everyone, We do the best that we can. Question, as far as declawing, are the adopters even asked or is it just a given? Sounds like the dark ages. And besides, a cat that is fiv+ is stillvery adoptable, w/an education programset in place. A cat that is felv+ is much harder. A cat that is fiv+ and exposed to felv is just about impossible. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/ www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/ www.shadowcats.net http://www.shadowcats.net/ As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Beth Noren mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 1:16 AM Subject: Re: Here is the link Glenda, many of us here mix our vaccinated negatives with our positives. It is a calculated risk that takes into account quality of life, as is your decision to allow your cats outside. In my situation, with my neighborhood and my street-senseless cats, an outdoor kitty is a risk that I won't take. Your situation may be very different. I guess I am just trying to suggest that we ALL care deeply for our cats, and that we be gentler with each other when voicing our different opinions. It does the cats no good if all of us crazy cat ladies start attacking each other. Sherry has worked so hard, and takes each loss so personally, and for that I thank her. Best wishes, Beth, Blue, Moxie, Dash, Scooter. and Will Feral
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Thanks Tonya, I'm tryin', though it doesn't come easy! I just joined a parrot behavior list that teaches people to modify their parrots behavior through positive reinforcement and modeling the correct behavior. Funny thing is, list members are required to live by those same principals in their communications with each other. Joined to find help in dealing with my husband's new bird, but I think it may just change the way I relate to people too! I'll keep practicing here, though it still feels like my point gets lost in all the diplomacy... :o) Beth On 9/26/07, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Beth for being much more diplomatic than me. :) tonya
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Tonya, I'm going to answer you directly on this, since you addressed me personally. Ok ,this is the deal: I'm new here, I have picked up the basics and I have learned them well. I am not a gambler. Maybe that is the core difference between those of us not willing to risk mixing our FeLV+ guys with our FIV+ guys. I was incredibly touched by Sherry's love and enthusiasim for her most adored little kitty Mystique. My heart just goes out to Sherry so much. I cry almost always when I read about these kitties dying and I just want to give all you guys a big hug when one of you is hurting. When I was told Mystique was only FIV+ I felt so happy and hopeful. When I was told she was mixing freely with FeLV+ kitties everyday, swapping saliva, etc. I panicked. Remember, I AM NOT A GAMBLER. I told Sherry my feelings, as gently as possible. I have so far in the short time I have been on this list, been told over and over again, that the FeLV vaccine is only 75% -90% effective...It used to be only 75%-85%, but there is talk, now, that there has been a slight improvement. My personal vets also tell me these #'s , so at least I feel I am as informed as anyone here. As for FIV+ kitties, I have researched thir disease too. I worked hard a couple months back to convince a couple people here, in my town, not to put their FIV+ kittens to sleep over this disease. I researched and studied for several days to learn all I could to back my argument. I learned #1 : that their immune system is compromised. I learned#2: that this disease is much easier to deal with than FeLV. I learned often kittens can throw this disease, if say, contracted through the mother. This disease is a piece of cake, compared to Felv. I also learned it is possible for a non- gambler like myself, to mix an FIV+ kitty with my disease free guys as long as the FIV+ guy does not tend to fight and bite...I also learned FIV+ guys can have a longer natural life than Felv+guys... Everyone, who has been here a while, has to know these same things ,but some here are willing to GAMBLE and some are NOT. I do not feel I can afford to risk any cat's life that is in my care by mixing a FeLV+ with my healthy group and if I happened to have an FIV+ kitty I would be even more paranoid to mix with a FelV+ kitty. If there is anyone here, that can tell me some SCIENTIFIC REASON, I am wrong in my opinion, PLEASE come back to me . I came here to learn. I appreciate the stories of how this person or that ,might have had a disease free cat live 20+ years among FeLV+ kitties and never contract the disease. This is where I get my hope. This makes me feel so happy, gives me strength...These stories are almost as helpful to my spirit as the actual scientific information I get here is helpful to my mind. I also, love just the emotional support here. I think these three things is what keeps most of us here? A sibling of mine, is a veterinarin. While researching which university to go to, came up with the opinion the three best schools in the country for veterinary medicine were as follows, University of Colorado, in Fort Collins, The University of California in Napa, and lastly,the the University right down there in Austin, Texas where Susan is. All very renowed in the world of veterinary medicine...I just realized that last night after reeling from something I read hateful here... Nobody here is without a clue and nobody here is stupid . I never heard anything of the sort said, until yesterday. UGH! All I can say is GOD BLESS everyone of you loving, dear people and let's all try to get along, learn from each other and appreciate our differences. The reason we are here, is for our cats first. We just all want to do what is right for them...Too bad people have to be so jacked up...oh well, ENOUGH ! Have a good day! --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glenda, In my approximately 10 years on this list I have never heard of a cat with fiv 'catching' felv from a mixed situation. Now cats do test initially sometimes for both. But I have had fiv cats mixed with felv with no problem. It's not a perfect world, and Sherry and Crash's Landing do so much good that I think you should calm down on the heavy judgements. Those who have been on this list for a long time, and many who have left, have already had this discussion with Sherry. People agree and disagree. But I don't think anyone feels that Dr. Jen is doing a wonderful thing trying to save as many of these cats as she can. And Sherry, who also deals with each loss, doesn't need such negative feedback. tonya glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sherry, She is absolutely beautiful. I have to tell you, when I realized the thinking behind how your shelter, where you volunteer, with the declawing policy and reading about the section for the special needs kitties I thought I would ask if the FIV+ kitties were mixed with the FeLV+ kitties. I do not think I am
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--- glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:38:46 -0700 (PDT) From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Here is the link To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Tonya, I'm going to answer you directly on this, since you addressed me personally. Ok ,this is the deal: I'm new here, I have picked up the basics and I have learned them well. I am not a gambler. Maybe that is the core difference between those of us not willing to risk mixing our FeLV+ guys with our FIV+ guys. I was incredibly touched by Sherry's love and enthusiasim for her most adored little kitty Mystique. My heart just goes out to Sherry so much. I cry almost always when I read about these kitties dying and I just want to give all you guys a big hug when one of you is hurting. When I was told Mystique was only FIV+ I felt so happy and hopeful. When I was told she was mixing freely with FeLV+ kitties everyday, swapping saliva, etc. I panicked. Remember, I AM NOT A GAMBLER. I told Sherry my feelings, as gently as possible. I have so far in the short time I have been on this list, been told over and over again, that the FeLV vaccine is only 75% -90% effective...It used to be only 75%-85%, but there is talk, now, that there has been a slight improvement. My personal vets also tell me these #'s , so at least I feel I am as informed as anyone here. As for FIV+ kitties, I have researched thir disease too. I worked hard a couple months back to convince a couple people here, in my town, not to put their FIV+ kittens to sleep over this disease. I researched and studied for several days to learn all I could to back my argument. I learned #1 : that their immune system is compromised. I learned#2: that this disease is much easier to deal with than FeLV. I learned often kittens can throw this disease, if say, contracted through the mother. This disease is a piece of cake, compared to Felv. I also learned it is possible for a non- gambler like myself, to mix an FIV+ kitty with my disease free guys as long as the FIV+ guy does not tend to fight and bite...I also learned FIV+ guys can have a longer natural life than Felv+guys... Everyone, who has been here a while, has to know these same things ,but some here are willing to GAMBLE and some are NOT. I do not feel I can afford to risk any cat's life that is in my care by mixing a FeLV+ with my healthy group and if I happened to have an FIV+ kitty I would be even more paranoid to mix with a FelV+ kitty. If there is anyone here, that can tell me some SCIENTIFIC REASON, I am wrong in my opinion, PLEASE come back to me . I came here to learn. I appreciate the stories of how this person or that ,might have had a disease free cat live 20+ years among FeLV+ kitties and never contract the disease. This is where I get my hope. This makes me feel so happy, gives me strength...These stories are almost as helpful to my spirit as the actual scientific information I get here is helpful to my mind. I also, love just the emotional support here. I think these three things is what keeps most of us here? A sibling of mine, is a veterinarin. While researching which university to go to, came up with the opinion the three best schools in the country for veterinary medicine were as follows, University of Colorado, in Fort Collins, The University of California in Napa, and lastly,the the University right down there in Austin, Texas where Susan is. All very renowed in the world of veterinary medicine...I just realized that last night after reeling from something I read hateful here... Nobody here is without a clue and nobody here is stupid . I never heard anything of the sort said, until yesterday. UGH! All I can say is GOD BLESS everyone of you loving, dear people and let's all try to get along, learn from each other and appreciate our differences. The reason we are here, is for our cats first. We just all want to do what is right for them...Too bad people have to be so jacked up...oh well, ENOUGH ! Have a good day! --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glenda, In my approximately 10 years on this list I have never heard of a cat with fiv 'catching' felv from a mixed situation. Now cats do test initially sometimes for both. But I have had fiv cats mixed with felv with no problem. It's not a perfect world, and Sherry and Crash's Landing do so much good that I think you should calm down on the heavy judgements. Those who have been on this list for a long time, and many who have left, have already had this discussion with Sherry. People agree and disagree. But I don't think anyone feels that Dr. Jen is doing a wonderful thing trying to save as many of these cats as she can. And Sherry, who also deals with each loss, doesn't need such negative feedback. tonya glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
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Glenda, many of us here mix our vaccinated negatives with our positives. It is a calculated risk that takes into account quality of life, as is your decision to allow your cats outside. In my situation, with my neighborhood and my street-senseless cats, an outdoor kitty is a risk that I won't take. Your situation may be very different. I guess I am just trying to suggest that we ALL care deeply for our cats, and that we be gentler with each other when voicing our different opinions. It does the cats no good if all of us crazy cat ladies start attacking each other. Sherry has worked so hard, and takes each loss so personally, and for that I thank her. Best wishes, Beth, Blue, Moxie, Dash, Scooter. and Will Feral On 9/24/07, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sherry, ...Sherry I am trying to control my emotions ,but I have to tell you I am scared to death for these two groups of cats. I am believing/hoping your girl Mystique is vaccinated...that could help, but she is at terrible risk. Her immune system is already compromised by the FIV. I cannot implore you strongly enough to please get her out of Crash'slanding ASAP! You have been lucky with your FIV kitties and especially with your kitty who threw the FIV. When I read about the beautiful Mystique, I felt relieved that she was only FIV+. I felt you would have good luck with her and she might live a pretty normal life. The fact she is in a situation where she can contract the FeLV virus any day now, is making me a little crazy...I worry about her and everyone else in that environment...and what about the kitties that might possibly be able one day, to throw one of the viruses or the other? What chance do any of them really have...They are at huge risk of getting THE OTHER virus. There has to be a way to seperate the two groups. FIV+ kitties have such a better chance , but here they are almost certainly, over time going to become FeLV+ too. You need to get Mystique out of there. You should have her tested for both FIV and FeLV, just so you know, what you will be dealing with. Then have her tested again in 4-6 months. If she is FeLV- you are both blessed. If I were you, I'd want to know, for myself, if she is really FIV+. Crash'slanding comes across beautifully on it's intro page and it is set up well to navigate through. The kitties are beautiful. Their stories are well written and touching. This is a nokill shelter, right? The way it appears to me, is a showplace type of place, that collects cats, donations ,but seriously needs to become a bit more cat- friendly...Besides taking in these cats, are they really doing what is best for each cat? If they cannot seperate the FIV+ cats from the FeLV+ cats they should only be dealing with cats with one disease or the other disease and let another shelter deal with the other... Do they get a lot of volunteers as sweet as you? Well, they are lucky if they do. Nobody is driving a cadillac are they...bad joke, sorry. I have one FeLV+ cat in my household of 7-cats. All my cats are vaccinated. Yet I am very, very careful my negatives do not come into contact with my one positive, little girl. If I found out I had a FIV+ cat in my household I would possibly allow him to continue as always with his brothers, but if anyone were to turn up FeLV+ it is quarantine time. FIV is a far easier disease to deal with. I'm in the process of having all my guys tested again, because my guys do get outside at times, supervised, as they are and as confident as I am they have not run into any positive, strange kitties out there, I still believe in knowing their health status every year or so...This, because I do not believe in putting any of my kitties in harm's way. If I were perfect, they would never get outside, at ever, but I love for them to have fun in the yard...I get weak when they beg...I am a bad mommy for that, but I take that risk for the, quality of life, argument... Well, I have done enough damage for one day...Sherry, thank you. And please do not hate me, because ...I do not trust people... Love and best wishes from Nebraska, Glenda --- Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Glenda,isn't she georgeous!!! :) We do not separate the felv and the fiv.I wish we had the space to do so.Until I become one of those crazy cat ladies that win the lottery it will have to do!! :) I myself have 3 fiv+ boys and one boy that tested felv+ when he first arrived to Sids and then 1 1/2 years later tested negative for anything.Then I brought Genevieve home back in April,she was felv+.I risked it because my heart told me to bring that baby girl home to love her as much as possible.AND I DID!! I am getting choked up just writing about her.It will be 4 weeks tomorrow since she left us. :( You did not offend me in anyway,I just get a bit uneasy when it comes to that subject. Thank you for checking out the fur kids.
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Allowing mixed pet cats to stay together that have already been exposed is one thing altogether. Deliberately exposing already immune compromised fiv+ cats to felv+ is giving them a death sentence. While she (Not Sherry, the owner) collects donations for this and tells everyone, We do the best that we can. Question, as far as declawing, are the adopters even asked or is it just a given? Sounds like the dark ages. And besides, a cat that is fiv+ is stillvery adoptable, w/an education programset in place. A cat that is felv+ is much harder. A cat that is fiv+ and exposed to felv is just about impossible. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Beth Noren To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 1:16 AM Subject: Re: Here is the link Glenda, many of us here mix our vaccinated negatives with our positives. It is a calculated risk that takes into account quality of life, as is your decision to allow your cats outside. In my situation, with my neighborhood and my street-senseless cats, an outdoor kitty is a risk that I won't take. Your situation may be very different. I guess I am just trying to suggest that we ALL care deeply for our cats, and that we be gentler with each other when voicing our different opinions. It does the cats no good if all of us crazy cat ladies start attacking each other. Sherry has worked so hard, and takes each loss so personally, and for that I thank her. Best wishes, Beth, Blue, Moxie, Dash, Scooter. and Will Feral
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But the FIV cats have not been given a death sentence, they have been vaccinated for a much reduced risk of a catching FeLV. They are weighing that risk against the risk of death on the streets or in a kill shelter. If anyone believes that that risk is not justified they can say so in a much nicer way than calling the place a hell hole and attacking poor Sherry. From my experience, I do believe that some rescues are too set on the idea that declaws are neccesary to attract adopters. Our local rescue declaws every kitten it can before offering it for adoption. When I told one of their volunteers that I was looking for a clawed companion for my clawed one-year old, she looked horrified and actually said What about the furniture? A politely worded letter to the director telling them that they lost out on an adoption can have more impact than jumping into impassioned rhetoric and telling them they're in the dark ages. Beth On 9/25/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allowing mixed pet cats to stay together that have already been exposed is one thing altogether. Deliberately exposing already immune compromised fiv+ cats to felv+ is giving them a death sentence. While she (Not Sherry, the owner) collects donations for this and tells everyone, We do the best that we can. Question, as far as declawing, are the adopters even asked or is it just a given? Sounds like the dark ages. And besides, a cat that is fiv+ is stillvery adoptable, w/an education programset in place. A cat that is felv+ is much harder. A cat that is fiv+ and exposed to felv is just about impossible. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/ www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/ www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - *From:* Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, September 25, 2007 1:16 AM *Subject:* Re: Here is the link Glenda, many of us here mix our vaccinated negatives with our positives. It is a calculated risk that takes into account quality of life, as is your decision to allow your cats outside. In my situation, with my neighborhood and my street-senseless cats, an outdoor kitty is a risk that I won't take. Your situation may be very different. I guess I am just trying to suggest that we ALL care deeply for our cats, and that we be gentler with each other when voicing our different opinions. It does the cats no good if all of us crazy cat ladies start attacking each other. Sherry has worked so hard, and takes each loss so personally, and for that I thank her. Best wishes, Beth, Blue, Moxie, Dash, Scooter. and Will Feral
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Wow! A lot happened since I left work last night! I think Beth said it correctly, that we are all a bunch of crazy cat ladies (and a few men). I think that because our passions run so high for these kitties, that we are all the more passionate about these issues. I'm glad to see that people are sticking to the issues at hand and not attacking in personal ways, but I think this argument has come to the point that no one is going to budge, so it's kind of a stalemate, at an impasse. I feel very strongly about this issue as well (declawing), and I think that there is a middle ground here for all of us to agree on without compromising our views in any way. As Susan said, change is made by little steps. Those of the never declaw camp and those of the do what we can camp can both agree that change is necessary because neither way is a solution. So, instead of wasting all our energy on arguing (and it is exhausting), focus that energy toward education and awareness. Take the information from those websites (pawproject and the other one that someone posted), and use it to make literature to distribute. Talk to people off this list about how to train cats. I think many people are so devastatingly uninformed when it comes to the furniture issue. Although mine is scratched, it is not ugly or destroyed. It just takes education. The next time someone is shocked that your kitties are not declawed and says, What about the furniture?! tell him/her about the ways to prevent it. Even if that person doesn't have a cat, perhaps he/she knows someone with cats or who's thinking about getting a kitty. Maybe your information will influence someone down the road to request a kitty with claws or to pass on the info. We really need to put the information out there and let it work through people. We can all agree on that. Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beth Noren Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 1:17 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Here is the link Glenda, many of us here mix our vaccinated negatives with our positives. It is a calculated risk that takes into account quality of life, as is your decision to allow your cats outside. In my situation, with my neighborhood and my street-senseless cats, an outdoor kitty is a risk that I won't take. Your situation may be very different. I guess I am just trying to suggest that we ALL care deeply for our cats, and that we be gentler with each other when voicing our different opinions. It does the cats no good if all of us crazy cat ladies start attacking each other. Sherry has worked so hard, and takes each loss so personally, and for that I thank her. Best wishes, Beth, Blue, Moxie, Dash, Scooter. and Will Feral On 9/24/07, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sherry, ...Sherry I am trying to control my emotions ,but I have to tell you I am scared to death for these two groups of cats. I am believing/hoping your girl Mystique is vaccinated...that could help, but she is at terrible risk. Her immune system is already compromised by the FIV. I cannot implore you strongly enough to please get her out of Crash'slanding ASAP! You have been lucky with your FIV kitties and especially with your kitty who threw the FIV. When I read about the beautiful Mystique, I felt relieved that she was only FIV+. I felt you would have good luck with her and she might live a pretty normal life. The fact she is in a situation where she can contract the FeLV virus any day now, is making me a little crazy...I worry about her and everyone else in that environment...and what about the kitties that might possibly be able one day, to throw one of the viruses or the other? What chance do any of them really have...They are at huge risk of getting THE OTHER virus. There has to be a way to seperate the two groups. FIV+ kitties have such a better chance , but here they are almost certainly, over time going to become FeLV+ too. You need to get Mystique out of there. You should have her tested for both FIV and FeLV, just so you know, what you will be dealing with. Then have her tested again in 4-6 months. If she is FeLV- you are both blessed. If I were you, I'd want to know, for myself, if she is really FIV+. Crash'slanding comes across beautifully on it's intro page and it is set up well to navigate through. The kitties are beautiful. Their stories are well written and touching. This is a nokill shelter, right? The way it appears to me, is a showplace type of place, that collects cats, donations ,but seriously needs to become a bit more cat- friendly...Besides taking in these cats, are they really doing what is best for each cat? If they cannot seperate the FIV+ cats from the FeLV+ cats they should only be dealing with cats with one disease or the other disease and let another shelter deal with the other... Do they get a lot of volunteers as sweet as you? Well, they are lucky if they do. Nobody
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Sorry, the hellholecomment was not meant to go to the list. My mistake (yes,even I make them). However, I standby my opinion. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Beth Noren To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:16 AM Subject: Re: Here is the link But the FIV cats have not been given a death sentence, they have been vaccinated for a much reduced risk of a catching FeLV. They are weighing that risk against the risk of death on the streets or in a kill shelter. If anyone believes that that risk is not justified they can say so in a much nicer way than calling the place a hell hole and attacking poor Sherry. From my experience, I do believe that some rescues are too set on the idea that declaws are neccesary to attract adopters. Our local rescue declaws every kitten it can before offering it for adoption. When I told one of their volunteers that I was looking for a clawed companion for my clawed one-year old, she looked horrified and actually said What about the furniture? A politely worded letter to the director telling them that they lost out on an adoption can have more impact than jumping into impassioned rhetoric and telling them they're in the dark ages. Beth
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I'm really jealous of her facility: http://www.crashslanding.org/Pages/crash_cheese.html On 9/25/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't want to get into the all or nothing conversation but I do want to mention that throws, especially loosely knit ones, put in strategic places saves lots of upholstered corners. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Beth Noren To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:16 AM Subject: Re: Here is the link But the FIV cats have not been given a death sentence, they have been vaccinated for a much reduced risk of a catching FeLV. They are weighing that risk against the risk of death on the streets or in a kill shelter. If anyone believes that that risk is not justified they can say so in a much nicer way than calling the place a hell hole and attacking poor Sherry. From my experience, I do believe that some rescues are too set on the idea that declaws are neccesary to attract adopters. Our local rescue declaws every kitten it can before offering it for adoption. When I told one of their volunteers that I was looking for a clawed companion for my clawed one-year old, she looked horrified and actually said What about the furniture? A politely worded letter to the director telling them that they lost out on an adoption can have more impact than jumping into impassioned rhetoric and telling them they're in the dark ages. Beth On 9/25/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allowing mixed pet cats to stay together that have already been exposed is one thing altogether. Deliberately exposing already immune compromised fiv+ cats to felv+ is giving them a death sentence. While she (Not Sherry, the owner) collects donations for this and tells everyone, We do the best that we can. Question, as far as declawing, are the adopters even asked or is it just a given? Sounds like the dark ages. And besides, a cat that is fiv+ is stillvery adoptable, w/an education programset in place. A cat that is felv+ is much harder. A cat that is fiv+ and exposed to felv is just about impossible. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Beth Noren To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 1:16 AM Subject: Re: Here is the link Glenda, many of us here mix our vaccinated negatives with our positives. It is a calculated risk that takes into account quality of life, as is your decision to allow your cats outside. In my situation, with my neighborhood and my street-senseless cats, an outdoor kitty is a risk that I won't take. Your situation may be very different. I guess I am just trying to suggest that we ALL care deeply for our cats, and that we be gentler with each other when voicing our different opinions. It does the cats no good if all of us crazy cat ladies start attacking each other. Sherry has worked so hard, and takes each loss so personally, and for that I thank her. Best wishes, Beth, Blue, Moxie, Dash, Scooter. and Will Feral -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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Many people on this list mix fiv and felv positive cats. With no transmission I might add. Could you ask your questions in a less confrontational manner? t Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WHAT? This shelter does not separate fiv+ and felv+.? What kind of place is this? Why would you expose a fiv+ cat to felv? And vice versa? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:10 PM Subject: Re: Here is the link Hi Glenda,isn't she georgeous!!! :) We do not separate the felv and the fiv.I wish we had the space to do so.Until I become one of those crazy cat ladies that win the lottery it will have to do!! :) I myself have 3 fiv+ boys and one boy that tested felv+ when he first arrived to Sids and then 1 1/2 years later tested negative for anything.Then I brought Genevieve home back in April,she was felv+.I risked it because my heart told me to bring that baby girl home to love her as much as possible.AND I DID!! I am getting choked up just writing about her.It will be 4 weeks tomorrow since she left us. :( You did not offend me in anyway,I just get a bit uneasy when it comes to that subject. Thank you for checking out the fur kids. Sherry and her fur baby boys Rafferty,CousCous,Xander and Tristan glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Glenda, In my approximately 10 years on this list I have never heard of a cat with fiv 'catching' felv from a mixed situation. Now cats do test initially sometimes for both. But I have had fiv cats mixed with felv with no problem. It's not a perfect world, and Sherry and Crash's Landing do so much good that I think you should calm down on the heavy judgements. Those who have been on this list for a long time, and many who have left, have already had this discussion with Sherry. People agree and disagree. But I don't think anyone feels that Dr. Jen is doing a wonderful thing trying to save as many of these cats as she can. And Sherry, who also deals with each loss, doesn't need such negative feedback. tonya glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sherry, She is absolutely beautiful. I have to tell you, when I realized the thinking behind how your shelter, where you volunteer, with the declawing policy and reading about the section for the special needs kitties I thought I would ask if the FIV+ kitties were mixed with the FeLV+ kitties. I do not think I am surprised... Sherry I am trying to control my emotions ,but I have to tell you I am scared to death for these two groups of cats. I am believing/hoping your girl Mystique is vaccinated...that could help, but she is at terrible risk. Her immune system is already compromised by the FIV. I cannot implore you strongly enough to please get her out of Crash'slanding ASAP! You have been lucky with your FIV kitties and especially with your kitty who threw the FIV. When I read about the beautiful Mystique, I felt relieved that she was only FIV+. I felt you would have good luck with her and she might live a pretty normal life. The fact she is in a situation where she can contract the FeLV virus any day now, is making me a little crazy...I worry about her and everyone else in that environment...and what about the kitties that might possibly be able one day, to throw one of the viruses or the other? What chance do any of them really have...They are at huge risk of getting THE OTHER virus. There has to be a way to seperate the two groups. FIV+ kitties have such a better chance , but here they are almost certainly, over time going to become FeLV+ too. You need to get Mystique out of there. You should have her tested for both FIV and FeLV, just so you know, what you will be dealing with. Then have her tested again in 4-6 months. If she is FeLV- you are both blessed. If I were you, I'd want to know, for myself, if she is really FIV+. Crash'slanding comes across beautifully on it's intro page and it is set up well to navigate through. The kitties are beautiful. Their stories are well written and touching. This is a nokill shelter, right? The way it appears to me, is a showplace type of place, that collects cats, donations ,but seriously needs to become a bit more cat- friendly...Besides taking in these cats, are they really doing what is best for each cat? If they cannot seperate the FIV+ cats from the FeLV+ cats they should only be dealing with cats with one disease or the other disease and let another shelter deal with the other... Do they get a lot of volunteers as sweet as you? Well, they are lucky if they do. Nobody is driving a cadillac are they...bad joke, sorry. I have one FeLV+ cat in my household of 7-cats. All my cats are vaccinated. Yet I am very, very careful my negatives do not come into contact with my one positive, little girl. If I found out I had a FIV+ cat in my household I would possibly allow him to continue as always with his brothers, but if anyone were to turn up FeLV+ it is quarantine time. FIV is a far easier disease to deal with. I'm in the process of having all my guys tested again, because my guys do get outside at times, supervised, as they are and as confident as I am they have not run into any positive, strange kitties out there, I still believe in knowing their health status every year or so...This, because I do not believe in putting any of my kitties in harm's way. If I were perfect, they would never get outside, at ever, but I love for them to have fun in the yard...I get weak when they beg...I am a bad mommy for that, but I take that risk for the, quality of life, argument... Well, I have done enough damage for one day...Sherry, thank you. And please do not hate me, because ...I do not trust people... Love and best wishes from Nebraska, Glenda --- Sherry DeHaan wrote: Hi Glenda,isn't she georgeous!!! :) We do not separate the felv and the fiv.I wish we had the space to do so.Until I become one of those crazy cat ladies that win the lottery it will have to do!! :) I myself have 3 fiv+ boys and one boy that tested felv+ when he first arrived to Sids and then 1 1/2 years later tested negative for anything.Then I brought Genevieve home back in April,she was felv+.I risked it because my heart told me to bring that baby girl home to love her as much as possible.AND I DID!! I am
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It is not irresponsible, and the way you word your comments certainly doesn't bring people around to your point of view. t Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, but it is irresponsible to deliberately expose cats w/already compromised immune systems from one deadly disease to another deadly disease.. That is just bad news. And no, you cannot save them all. And if you try, well, that's another can of worms. I am entitled to my opinion, and so are you. However, I have had to play cleanup on too many well intented sanctuaries and /or rescue people, so, I've just about seen it all. Not to mention that this is just how I got my felv+/fiv+ cats in the first place. From rescue people that were in over their heads, mixing various dieases due to an imperfect world. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 5:18 PM Subject: Re: Here is the link Well I guess it is either that or just them die without a chance to live at all.You can only do so much with what you can. So I guess now you think this is a horrible place?? This place gives them ALL a second chance to have any kind of life at all !! Believe me I'm sure in a PERFECT world this would be different. If you knew everything the lady that runs both sanctuaries does for these wonderful beings,how many times she fought for thier lives(including the fiv felv)she brought them home to her house to nurse them back to health.We do the best we can. Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WHAT? This shelter does not separate fiv+ and felv+.? What kind of place is this? Why would you expose a fiv+ cat to felv? And vice versa? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
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Sherry, You have nothing to defend. t Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glenda I DO NOT hate anybody,but I do get tired of defending the way Crash's landing is run.It is run by a licensed vet and she is a wonderful human with a big heart.The fiv cats are vaccinated for felv and yes we know it is not 100% safe.But it is either this or death.We love each and every one of those cats with all our hearts and yes ALL the volunteers are very kind people.It is a no kill shelter and I am very proud of being a part of it.Not everyone is EVER going to agree on EVERYTHING that people do.So we just should respect each other for the loving we have for these animals in our lives. glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sherry, She is absolutely beautiful. I have to tell you, when I realized the thinking behind how your shelter, where you volunteer, with the declawing policy and reading about the section for the special needs kitties I thought I would ask if the FIV+ kitties were mixed with the FeLV+ kitties. I do not think I am surprised... Sherry I am trying to control my emotions ,but I have to tell you I am scared to death for these two groups of cats. I am believing/hoping your girl Mystique is vaccinated...that could help, but she is at terrible risk. Her immune system is already compromised by the FIV. I cannot implore you strongly enough to please get her out of Crash'slanding ASAP! You have been lucky with your FIV kitties and especially with your kitty who threw the FIV. When I read about the beautiful Mystique, I felt relieved that she was only FIV+. I felt you would have good luck with her and she might live a pretty normal life. The fact she is in a situation where she can contract the FeLV virus any day now, is making me a little crazy...I worry about her and everyone else in that environment...and what about the kitties that might possibly be able one day, to throw one of the viruses or the other? What chance do any of them really have...They are at huge risk of getting THE OTHER virus. There has to be a way to seperate the two groups. FIV+ kitties have such a better chance , but here they are almost certainly, over time going to become FeLV+ too. You need to get Mystique out of there. You should have her tested for both FIV and FeLV, just so you know, what you will be dealing with. Then have her tested again in 4-6 months. If she is FeLV- you are both blessed. If I were you, I'd want to know, for myself, if she is really FIV+. Crash'slanding comes across beautifully on it's intro page and it is set up well to navigate through. The kitties are beautiful. Their stories are well written and touching. This is a nokill shelter, right? The way it appears to me, is a showplace type of place, that collects cats, donations ,but seriously needs to become a bit more cat- friendly...Besides taking in these cats, are they really doing what is best for each cat? If they cannot seperate the FIV+ cats from the FeLV+ cats they should only be dealing with cats with one disease or the other disease and let another shelter deal with the other... Do they get a lot of volunteers as sweet as you? Well, they are lucky if they do. Nobody is driving a cadillac are they...bad joke, sorry. I have one FeLV+ cat in my household of 7-cats. All my cats are vaccinated. Yet I am very, very careful my negatives do not come into contact with my one positive, little girl. If I found out I had a FIV+ cat in my household I would possibly allow him to continue as always with his brothers, but if anyone were to turn up FeLV+ it is quarantine time. FIV is a far easier disease to deal with. I'm in the process of having all my guys tested again, because my guys do get outside at times, supervised, as they are and as confident as I am they have not run into any positive, strange kitties out there, I still believe in knowing their health status every year or so...This, because I do not believe in putting any of my kitties in harm's way. If I were perfect, they would never get outside, at ever, but I love for them to have fun in the yard...I get weak when they beg...I am a bad mommy for that, but I take that risk for the, quality of life, argument... Well, I have done enough damage for one day...Sherry, thank you. And please do not hate me, because ...I do not trust people... Love and best wishes from Nebraska, Glenda --- Sherry DeHaan wrote: Hi Glenda,isn't she georgeous!!! :) We do not separate the felv and the fiv.I wish we had the space to do so.Until I become one of those crazy cat ladies that win the lottery it will have to do!! :) I myself have 3 fiv+ boys and one boy that tested felv+ when he first arrived to Sids and then 1 1/2 years later tested negative for anything.Then I brought Genevieve home back in April,she was felv+.I risked it because my heart told me to bring that baby girl home to love her as much as possible.AND I DID!! I am getting choked up just writing about her.It will be 4 weeks
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Sherry, I just clicked Mystique. My computer got stuck earlier...Anyway , she seems like an excellent little girl to have in your home...She will take your pain away and fill your heart. I see that she is FIV, but not FeLV+. Does Crash'slanding seperate their FIV+ kitties from their FeLV+ kitties ? Taking care of her should be very easy and rewarding...She could have a long life with you. As for this organization, I will say, their layout and every cat is beautiful. My heart is just stretching out of my chest for them. Bless your heart, Sherry, for all you do. I am very sorry I get a little up in the air over certain issues. Please believe me, I never mean to hurt anyone's feelings or make anyone uncomfortable...YOU are an angel... I know we all do the best we can with what we can and we all feel the same things, love, compassion, tenderness for these guys in need. The more need they have, the more we feel. I do love the people here too, because they are just so special. I should be so good as to be doing what you do. Love from Nebraska, Glenda --- Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Glenda thank you for checking out Crashs.I first of all want to say that I too am not one for declawing!! As some of our rescue cats do come in already declawed and yes they are declawed if they are not too old.As much as I hate to say it,people (unlike you and I) would prefer to adopt cats already declawed. :( Also think about over 100 cats living under the same roof.Most get along but there could be many bad wounds from fights. Like I said I believe as does Jen the lady that runs the places that ALOT of cats are discarded out into the streets because they claw the furniture and etc. And they don't take the time to try and train them to do differently.I clip all my cats claws myself.I personally don't like it.But I can't tell her how to run her shelter :( I respect ALL that Jen does for the over 200 cats that she takes in and can't say anything bad about what she does.I am sorry if it hurts you and I respect your opinion.Thanks for your good wishes on our sweet Brian.Oh,also all 4 of my boys came from Sids and they are beautiful and healthy!!! If you go back and look up Mystique at Sids,she is probably my next baby to bring home since I lost my beautiful Genevieve.Also in the tabbies at Crashs check out Honeysuckle.I rescued her and her 5 kittens from my backyard.My boyfriend has the kittens at his house,we are trying to get homes for them. Sherry glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sherry, I clicked your site. I found Brian in the Sids Sanctuary. What a little angel. I see he started out with ear mites, so he is apparently just having a terrible time getting his ears cleared up, infections,etc. After reading the introduction to Crashlanding, of course it was so beautiful, it made me cry...I went next to Tabbies, my weakness and clicked on a few of your guys there, like Bennie and Brut...love those guys...I see Brut is FIV...Well then I realized everyone had been declawed , everyone that was not FeLV+. My heart just sank! Is that their policy? If it is my heart is as broken for the guys that are FeLV- as for the guys that are FeLV+. Please let me know what is going on there with the declawing or please tell me it was a computer glitch. Thank you Sherry. I do appreciate seeing where you are helping our poor little guys and my first impression is it is a first rate outfit...I am however, one of those people that is every bit as mortified of declawing as any cat might be...I hope they can someday realize that declawing is not a good thing to do to a cat... God bless little Brian and you too, for all you do. Sincerely, Glenda --- Sherry DeHaan wrote: http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/crashslanding.html - Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz - Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC
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WHAT? This shelter does not separate fiv+ and felv+.? What kind of place is this? Why would you expose a fiv+ cat to felv? And vice versa? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:10 PM Subject: Re: Here is the link Hi Glenda,isn't she georgeous!!! :) We do not separate the felv and the fiv.I wish we had the space to do so.Until I become one of those crazy cat ladies that win the lottery it will have to do!! :) I myself have 3 fiv+ boys and one boy that tested felv+ when he first arrived to Sids and then 1 1/2 years later tested negative for anything.Then I brought Genevieve home back in April,she was felv+.I risked it because my heart told me to bring that baby girl home to love her as much as possible.AND I DID!! I am getting choked up just writing about her.It will be 4 weeks tomorrow since she left us. :( You did not offend me in anyway,I just get a bit uneasy when it comes to that subject. Thank you for checking out the fur kids. Sherry and her fur baby boys Rafferty,CousCous,Xander and Tristan glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Well I guess it is either that or just them die without a chance to live at all.You can only do so much with what you can. So I guess now you think this is a horrible place?? This place gives them ALL a second chance to have any kind of life at all !! Believe me I'm sure in a PERFECT world this would be different. If you knew everything the lady that runs both sanctuaries does for these wonderful beings,how many times she fought for thier lives(including the fiv felv)she brought them home to her house to nurse them back to health.We do the best we can. Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WHAT? This shelter does not separate fiv+ and felv+.? What kind of place is this? Why would you expose a fiv+ cat to felv? And vice versa? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:10 PM Subject: Re: Here is the link Hi Glenda,isn't she georgeous!!! :) We do not separate the felv and the fiv.I wish we had the space to do so.Until I become one of those crazy cat ladies that win the lottery it will have to do!! :) I myself have 3 fiv+ boys and one boy that tested felv+ when he first arrived to Sids and then 1 1/2 years later tested negative for anything.Then I brought Genevieve home back in April,she was felv+.I risked it because my heart told me to bring that baby girl home to love her as much as possible.AND I DID!! I am getting choked up just writing about her.It will be 4 weeks tomorrow since she left us. :( You did not offend me in anyway,I just get a bit uneasy when it comes to that subject. Thank you for checking out the fur kids. Sherry and her fur baby boys Rafferty,CousCous,Xander and Tristan glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.
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Sherry, She is absolutely beautiful. I have to tell you, when I realized the thinking behind how your shelter, where you volunteer, with the declawing policy and reading about the section for the special needs kitties I thought I would ask if the FIV+ kitties were mixed with the FeLV+ kitties. I do not think I am surprised... Sherry I am trying to control my emotions ,but I have to tell you I am scared to death for these two groups of cats. I am believing/hoping your girl Mystique is vaccinated...that could help, but she is at terrible risk. Her immune system is already compromised by the FIV. I cannot implore you strongly enough to please get her out of Crash'slanding ASAP! You have been lucky with your FIV kitties and especially with your kitty who threw the FIV. When I read about the beautiful Mystique, I felt relieved that she was only FIV+. I felt you would have good luck with her and she might live a pretty normal life. The fact she is in a situation where she can contract the FeLV virus any day now, is making me a little crazy...I worry about her and everyone else in that environment...and what about the kitties that might possibly be able one day, to throw one of the viruses or the other? What chance do any of them really have...They are at huge risk of getting THE OTHER virus. There has to be a way to seperate the two groups. FIV+ kitties have such a better chance , but here they are almost certainly, over time going to become FeLV+ too. You need to get Mystique out of there. You should have her tested for both FIV and FeLV, just so you know, what you will be dealing with. Then have her tested again in 4-6 months. If she is FeLV- you are both blessed. If I were you, I'd want to know, for myself, if she is really FIV+. Crash'slanding comes across beautifully on it's intro page and it is set up well to navigate through. The kitties are beautiful. Their stories are well written and touching. This is a nokill shelter, right? The way it appears to me, is a showplace type of place, that collects cats, donations ,but seriously needs to become a bit more cat- friendly...Besides taking in these cats, are they really doing what is best for each cat? If they cannot seperate the FIV+ cats from the FeLV+ cats they should only be dealing with cats with one disease or the other disease and let another shelter deal with the other... Do they get a lot of volunteers as sweet as you? Well, they are lucky if they do. Nobody is driving a cadillac are they...bad joke, sorry. I have one FeLV+ cat in my household of 7-cats. All my cats are vaccinated. Yet I am very, very careful my negatives do not come into contact with my one positive, little girl. If I found out I had a FIV+ cat in my household I would possibly allow him to continue as always with his brothers, but if anyone were to turn up FeLV+ it is quarantine time. FIV is a far easier disease to deal with. I'm in the process of having all my guys tested again, because my guys do get outside at times, supervised, as they are and as confident as I am they have not run into any positive, strange kitties out there, I still believe in knowing their health status every year or so...This, because I do not believe in putting any of my kitties in harm's way. If I were perfect, they would never get outside, at ever, but I love for them to have fun in the yard...I get weak when they beg...I am a bad mommy for that, but I take that risk for the, quality of life, argument... Well, I have done enough damage for one day...Sherry, thank you. And please do not hate me, because ...I do not trust people... Love and best wishes from Nebraska, Glenda --- Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Glenda,isn't she georgeous!!! :) We do not separate the felv and the fiv.I wish we had the space to do so.Until I become one of those crazy cat ladies that win the lottery it will have to do!! :) I myself have 3 fiv+ boys and one boy that tested felv+ when he first arrived to Sids and then 1 1/2 years later tested negative for anything.Then I brought Genevieve home back in April,she was felv+.I risked it because my heart told me to bring that baby girl home to love her as much as possible.AND I DID!! I am getting choked up just writing about her.It will be 4 weeks tomorrow since she left us. :( You did not offend me in anyway,I just get a bit uneasy when it comes to that subject. Thank you for checking out the fur kids. Sherry and her fur baby boys Rafferty,CousCous,Xander and Tristan glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sherry, I just clicked Mystique. My computer got stuck earlier...Anyway , she seems like an excellent little girl to have in your home...She will take your pain away and fill your heart. I see that she is FIV, but not FeLV+. Does Crash'slanding seperate their FIV+ kitties from their FeLV+ kitties ? Taking care of her should be very easy and rewarding...She could have a long life with you. As for this organization, I
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Glenda I DO NOT hate anybody,but I do get tired of defending the way Crash's landing is run.It is run by a licensed vet and she is a wonderful human with a big heart.The fiv cats are vaccinated for felv and yes we know it is not 100% safe.But it is either this or death.We love each and every one of those cats with all our hearts and yes ALL the volunteers are very kind people.It is a no kill shelter and I am very proud of being a part of it.Not everyone is EVER going to agree on EVERYTHING that people do.So we just should respect each other for the loving we have for these animals in our lives. glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sherry, She is absolutely beautiful. I have to tell you, when I realized the thinking behind how your shelter, where you volunteer, with the declawing policy and reading about the section for the special needs kitties I thought I would ask if the FIV+ kitties were mixed with the FeLV+ kitties. I do not think I am surprised... Sherry I am trying to control my emotions ,but I have to tell you I am scared to death for these two groups of cats. I am believing/hoping your girl Mystique is vaccinated...that could help, but she is at terrible risk. Her immune system is already compromised by the FIV. I cannot implore you strongly enough to please get her out of Crash'slanding ASAP! You have been lucky with your FIV kitties and especially with your kitty who threw the FIV. When I read about the beautiful Mystique, I felt relieved that she was only FIV+. I felt you would have good luck with her and she might live a pretty normal life. The fact she is in a situation where she can contract the FeLV virus any day now, is making me a little crazy...I worry about her and everyone else in that environment...and what about the kitties that might possibly be able one day, to throw one of the viruses or the other? What chance do any of them really have...They are at huge risk of getting THE OTHER virus. There has to be a way to seperate the two groups. FIV+ kitties have such a better chance , but here they are almost certainly, over time going to become FeLV+ too. You need to get Mystique out of there. You should have her tested for both FIV and FeLV, just so you know, what you will be dealing with. Then have her tested again in 4-6 months. If she is FeLV- you are both blessed. If I were you, I'd want to know, for myself, if she is really FIV+. Crash'slanding comes across beautifully on it's intro page and it is set up well to navigate through. The kitties are beautiful. Their stories are well written and touching. This is a nokill shelter, right? The way it appears to me, is a showplace type of place, that collects cats, donations ,but seriously needs to become a bit more cat- friendly...Besides taking in these cats, are they really doing what is best for each cat? If they cannot seperate the FIV+ cats from the FeLV+ cats they should only be dealing with cats with one disease or the other disease and let another shelter deal with the other... Do they get a lot of volunteers as sweet as you? Well, they are lucky if they do. Nobody is driving a cadillac are they...bad joke, sorry. I have one FeLV+ cat in my household of 7-cats. All my cats are vaccinated. Yet I am very, very careful my negatives do not come into contact with my one positive, little girl. If I found out I had a FIV+ cat in my household I would possibly allow him to continue as always with his brothers, but if anyone were to turn up FeLV+ it is quarantine time. FIV is a far easier disease to deal with. I'm in the process of having all my guys tested again, because my guys do get outside at times, supervised, as they are and as confident as I am they have not run into any positive, strange kitties out there, I still believe in knowing their health status every year or so...This, because I do not believe in putting any of my kitties in harm's way. If I were perfect, they would never get outside, at ever, but I love for them to have fun in the yard...I get weak when they beg...I am a bad mommy for that, but I take that risk for the, quality of life, argument... Well, I have done enough damage for one day...Sherry, thank you. And please do not hate me, because ...I do not trust people... Love and best wishes from Nebraska, Glenda --- Sherry DeHaan wrote: Hi Glenda,isn't she georgeous!!! :) We do not separate the felv and the fiv.I wish we had the space to do so.Until I become one of those crazy cat ladies that win the lottery it will have to do!! :) I myself have 3 fiv+ boys and one boy that tested felv+ when he first arrived to Sids and then 1 1/2 years later tested negative for anything.Then I brought Genevieve home back in April,she was felv+.I risked it because my heart told me to bring that baby girl home to love her as much as possible.AND I DID!! I am getting choked up just writing about her.It will be 4 weeks tomorrow since she left us. :( You did not offend me in anyway,I just get a bit
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Susan yes you are entitled to your opinion.But do you seriously think death would be a better alternative!! THe vet that runs it all has a hard time turning away any cat and for that I respect her.I promise you will not have to CLEANUP after this shelter.She is a smart lady and knows our limits.So I will proudly keep loving and helping out with these beautiful animals and thank you for doing what you do. Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, but it is irresponsible to deliberately expose cats w/already compromised immune systems from one deadly disease to another deadly disease.. That is just bad news. And no, you cannot save them all. And if you try, well, that's another can of worms. I am entitled to my opinion, and so are you. However, I have had to play cleanup on too many well intented sanctuaries and /or rescue people, so, I've just about seen it all. Not to mention that this is just how I got my felv+/fiv+ cats in the first place. From rescue people that were in over their heads, mixing various dieases due to an imperfect world. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 5:18 PM Subject: Re: Here is the link Well I guess it is either that or just them die without a chance to live at all.You can only do so much with what you can. So I guess now you think this is a horrible place?? This place gives them ALL a second chance to have any kind of life at all !! Believe me I'm sure in a PERFECT world this would be different. If you knew everything the lady that runs both sanctuaries does for these wonderful beings,how many times she fought for thier lives(including the fiv felv)she brought them home to her house to nurse them back to health.We do the best we can. Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WHAT? This shelter does not separate fiv+ and felv+.? What kind of place is this? Why would you expose a fiv+ cat to felv? And vice versa? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
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Sherry, I clicked your site. I found Brian in the Sids Sanctuary. What a little angel. I see he started out with ear mites, so he is apparently just having a terrible time getting his ears cleared up, infections,etc. After reading the introduction to Crashlanding, of course it was so beautiful, it made me cry...I went next to Tabbies, my weakness and clicked on a few of your guys there, like Bennie and Brut...love those guys...I see Brut is FIV...Well then I realized everyone had been declawed , everyone that was not FeLV+. My heart just sank! Is that their policy? If it is my heart is as broken for the guys that are FeLV- as for the guys that are FeLV+. Please let me know what is going on there with the declawing or please tell me it was a computer glitch. Thank you Sherry. I do appreciate seeing where you are helping our poor little guys and my first impression is it is a first rate outfit...I am however, one of those people that is every bit as mortified of declawing as any cat might be...I hope they can someday realize that declawing is not a good thing to do to a cat... God bless little Brian and you too, for all you do. Sincerely, Glenda --- Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/crashslanding.html - Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz
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Hi Glenda thank you for checking out Crashs.I first of all want to say that I too am not one for declawing!! As some of our rescue cats do come in already declawed and yes they are declawed if they are not too old.As much as I hate to say it,people (unlike you and I) would prefer to adopt cats already declawed. :( Also think about over 100 cats living under the same roof.Most get along but there could be many bad wounds from fights. Like I said I believe as does Jen the lady that runs the places that ALOT of cats are discarded out into the streets because they claw the furniture and etc. And they don't take the time to try and train them to do differently.I clip all my cats claws myself.I personally don't like it.But I can't tell her how to run her shelter :( I respect ALL that Jen does for the over 200 cats that she takes in and can't say anything bad about what she does.I am sorry if it hurts you and I respect your opinion.Thanks for your good wishes on our sweet Brian.Oh,also all 4 of my boys came from Sids and they are beautiful and healthy!!! If you go back and look up Mystique at Sids,she is probably my next baby to bring home since I lost my beautiful Genevieve.Also in the tabbies at Crashs check out Honeysuckle.I rescued her and her 5 kittens from my backyard.My boyfriend has the kittens at his house,we are trying to get homes for them. Sherry glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sherry, I clicked your site. I found Brian in the Sids Sanctuary. What a little angel. I see he started out with ear mites, so he is apparently just having a terrible time getting his ears cleared up, infections,etc. After reading the introduction to Crashlanding, of course it was so beautiful, it made me cry...I went next to Tabbies, my weakness and clicked on a few of your guys there, like Bennie and Brut...love those guys...I see Brut is FIV...Well then I realized everyone had been declawed , everyone that was not FeLV+. My heart just sank! Is that their policy? If it is my heart is as broken for the guys that are FeLV- as for the guys that are FeLV+. Please let me know what is going on there with the declawing or please tell me it was a computer glitch. Thank you Sherry. I do appreciate seeing where you are helping our poor little guys and my first impression is it is a first rate outfit...I am however, one of those people that is every bit as mortified of declawing as any cat might be...I hope they can someday realize that declawing is not a good thing to do to a cat... God bless little Brian and you too, for all you do. Sincerely, Glenda --- Sherry DeHaan wrote: http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/crashslanding.html - Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz - Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today!
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Sherry, Thank you for getting back to me and everyone else here... I have run across that type of thinking before at a shelter in Wisconsin...I found it on petfinders.com. It is called: The Home for Endangered and Lost Pets. This was during the time I was hunting for Polydactyls, having a kitty foot fetish, like I do, was extra horrified. I followed up and complained to them and directed them to some of the declaw information sites...I was told they were set on their beliefs and felt cats were just more adoptable if they were declawed before being offered for adoption. They would declaw when the kitty was altered. They were all excited about the new laser procedure and were led to believe, by their vet, that it was a kinder way to perform the operation...The way I understand declawing it is amputation any way you spell it...The second toe joint,right ? It is not like most uninformed people think, just removing the toenails...It can cause life long pain, balance problems, low self esteem and can affect the leg muscles , because kitties cannot exercise their legs properly...This is what they are doing when they scratch posts, etc...not just sharpening their claws...The leg muscles shrivel up in the legs...AND kitties feel with their toe tips and experience life examining items, mice, etc. Oh well, Sherry, just had to mention all these things for those reading this that have not really looked into the declawing issues... Now back to your site. It is beautifully done and the kitties are stunning...wish I had more room and more money...Someday a cat lady will win a 3-million $ lottery and watch out! WHY CAN'T PEOPLE LIKE THAT WIN THE BIG BUCKS ? Anyway, now, when you mention a kitty's name, some of us that are new, like me, can go find him... I can tell, Crash Landing is seriously a loving place with obviously the best intentions...Maybe as more people learn what declawing really is more people will not opt for declawed kitties and be willing to do a couple simple things to teach their cat where he is able to exercise his feet and legs and where he cannot and pick up a scratcher, some catnip and some kitty repellent spray...? Thank you again for all you do Sherry and thank you for answering my questions...A quick thought on the featured kitty with only one eye: I think she probably would get too close to the edge of the litter box and having only one eye, would see things a bit off center. Try closing one of your eyes and see what I mean...Just a thought... Thank you, Glenda --- Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Glenda thank you for checking out Crashs.I first of all want to say that I too am not one for declawing!! As some of our rescue cats do come in already declawed and yes they are declawed if they are not too old.As much as I hate to say it,people (unlike you and I) would prefer to adopt cats already declawed. :( Also think about over 100 cats living under the same roof.Most get along but there could be many bad wounds from fights. Like I said I believe as does Jen the lady that runs the places that ALOT of cats are discarded out into the streets because they claw the furniture and etc. And they don't take the time to try and train them to do differently.I clip all my cats claws myself.I personally don't like it.But I can't tell her how to run her shelter :( I respect ALL that Jen does for the over 200 cats that she takes in and can't say anything bad about what she does.I am sorry if it hurts you and I respect your opinion.Thanks for your good wishes on our sweet Brian.Oh,also all 4 of my boys came from Sids and they are beautiful and healthy!!! If you go back and look up Mystique at Sids,she is probably my next baby to bring home since I lost my beautiful Genevieve.Also in the tabbies at Crashs check out Honeysuckle.I rescued her and her 5 kittens from my backyard.My boyfriend has the kittens at his house,we are trying to get homes for them. Sherry glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sherry, I clicked your site. I found Brian in the Sids Sanctuary. What a little angel. I see he started out with ear mites, so he is apparently just having a terrible time getting his ears cleared up, infections,etc. After reading the introduction to Crashlanding, of course it was so beautiful, it made me cry...I went next to Tabbies, my weakness and clicked on a few of your guys there, like Bennie and Brut...love those guys...I see Brut is FIV...Well then I realized everyone had been declawed , everyone that was not FeLV+. My heart just sank! Is that their policy? If it is my heart is as broken for the guys that are FeLV- as for the guys that are FeLV+. Please let me know what is going on there with the declawing or please tell me it was a computer glitch. Thank you Sherry. I do appreciate seeing where you are helping our poor little guys and my first impression is it is a first rate outfit...I am however, one of those people that is every
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Right now I know of another shelter that has 100+cats living cage free under one roof that are not declawed. Any of them. There have not been any serious cat fights or injuries, either. Declawing is nothing more than a mutilation. And it should be illegal. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 12:50 PM Subject: Re: Here is the link Hi Glenda thank you for checking out Crashs.I first of all want to say that I too am not one for declawing!! As some of our rescue cats do come in already declawed and yes they are declawed if they are not too old.As much as I hate to say it,people (unlike you and I) would prefer to adopt cats already declawed. :( Also think about over 100 cats living under the same roof.Most get along but there could be many bad wounds from fights. Like I said I believe as does Jen the lady that runs the places that ALOT of cats are discarded out into the streets because they claw the furniture and etc. And they don't take the time to try and train them to do differently.I clip all my cats claws myself.I personally don't like it.But I can't tell her how to run her shelter :( I respect ALL that Jen does for the over 200 cats that she takes in and can't say anything bad about what she does.I am sorry if it hurts you and I respect your opinion.Thanks for your good wishes on our sweet Brian.Oh,also all 4 of my boys came from Sids and they are beautiful and healthy!!! If you go back and look up Mystique at Sids,she is probably my next baby to bring home since I lost my beautiful Genevieve.Also in the tabbies at Crashs check out Honeysuckle.I rescued her and her 5 kittens from my backyard.My boyfriend has the kittens at his house,we are trying to get homes for them. Sherry glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Network Research Panel today!
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Thanks Diane!! :)Diane Rosenfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What beautiful babies!Diane R.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaanSent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 9:21 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: here is the link to my photo albums Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
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thanks Gina :)Gina WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Sherry,Gorgeous, all of them! I love seeing everyone's kitty pictures!:) Gina Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sherrydj88/my_photos Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Visit my Tigger Tales site! See my cats' gallery at Zazzle How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business.
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I hadn't seen the pics of Tristan. He is BEAUTIFUL :) Wendy --- Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sherrydj88/my_photos - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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THank you,he IS a beauty.Sorry I forgot to say to see the pics of Tristan. I have 4 beautiful boys!! ;)wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hadn't seen the pics of Tristan. He isBEAUTIFUL:)Wendy--- Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sherrydj88/my_photos - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates.
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Hi Sherry,Gorgeous, all of them! I love seeing everyone's kitty pictures!:) Gina Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sherrydj88/my_photos Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.Visit my Tigger Tales site! See my cats' gallery at Zazzle How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates.
