Re: [Finale] OT: MP3 Compression Comparison

2005-09-26 Thread Dennis W. Manasco
At 4:21 PM -0400 9/25/05, David W. Fenton wrote: Does anyone hear any significant differences between the two? I can convince myself that I do, but it seems only psychological. David -- I can hear a very minor difference, but shouldn't your reasoning include your target audience? That

Re: [Finale] OT: MP3 Compression Comparison

2005-09-26 Thread Darcy James Argue
When he's right, he's right. The only thing I would add is that iTunes (the Mac version, at least) includes Apple Lossless, a compression technology that allows full WAV/AIFF quality at half the size. If space is really at a premium, you could try that (provided it's included in iTunes for

Re: [Finale] OT: MP3 Compression Comparison

2005-09-26 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: I'm about to start creating a bunch of MP3 files that are recorded from my sound card playing back MIDI files created from Finale files. It seems to me when comparing these two files: http://www.dfenton.com/Midi/MozartK581Arr/MozartK581ArrA.mp3

Re: [Finale] OT: MP3 Compression Comparison

2005-09-26 Thread dhbailey
Chuck Israels wrote: David, Yes, I can hear a small difference. I know because I expected (before reading carefully) to hear the more compressed file first and noticed a slight veiling in the second sample. That said, I don't think it makes a whit of practical difference in

Re: [Finale] Sound recording via computer

2005-09-26 Thread dhbailey
David McKay wrote: Hi I'd like to purchase an easy-to-use sound recording program, and wonder if Finale list members could give me some advice, please. I purchased a copy of Cool Edit 2000 only 2 years ago, but have twice had major computer crashes which have left me without a record of my

[Finale] Re: Secondary Beam Breaks

2005-09-26 Thread Ken Moore
David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't understand how a rest in another layer will delay the 2nd 16th-note in the first layer by 1/32nd rest, which is the desired result. I need the sound of 16th note, 32nd rest, 3 16th notes. I don't know how that can be done without putting the

Re: [Finale] OT: MP3 Compression Comparison

2005-09-26 Thread David W. Fenton
On 26 Sep 2005 at 4:09, Dennis W. Manasco wrote: At 4:21 PM -0400 9/25/05, David W. Fenton wrote: Does anyone hear any significant differences between the two? I can convince myself that I do, but it seems only psychological. I can hear a very minor difference, but shouldn't your

Re: [Finale] OT: MP3 Compression Comparison

2005-09-26 Thread David W. Fenton
On 26 Sep 2005 at 5:14, Darcy James Argue wrote: The only thing I would add is that iTunes (the Mac version, at least) includes Apple Lossless, a compression technology that allows full WAV/AIFF quality at half the size. If space is really at a premium, you could try that (provided it's

Re: [Finale] OT: MP3 Compression Comparison

2005-09-26 Thread David W. Fenton
On 26 Sep 2005 at 6:09, dhbailey wrote: I find a noticeable difference in the upper partials, especially in the viola's sound. The 192 sounds a bit richer. I'll have to listen for that. In my own tests to determine best encoding rates, I have found such a tiny change between 192 and

Re: [Finale] OT: MP3 Compression Comparison

2005-09-26 Thread David W. Fenton
On 26 Sep 2005 at 6:14, dhbailey wrote: If it's to be posted on a web-site, possibly posting 2 files: the 192 file and one encoded at an even lower rate so that dial-up users could select which one they wanted to download. As the MP3 file is only going to ever be used on the website (if I'm

Re: [Finale] OT: MP3 Compression Comparison

2005-09-26 Thread Christopher Smith
On Sep 26, 2005, at 11:05 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: David W. Fenton / 2005/09/25 / 04:21 PM wrote: http://www.dfenton.com/Midi/MozartK581Arr/MozartK581ArrA.mp3 http://www.dfenton.com/Midi/MozartK581Arr/MozartK581ArrA1.mp3 I put them in a spectragraph, averaged between 230' and 330'.

Re: [Finale] OT: MP3 Compression Comparison

2005-09-26 Thread David W. Fenton
On 26 Sep 2005 at 11:05, A-NO-NE Music wrote: David W. Fenton / 2005/09/25 / 04:21 PM wrote: http://www.dfenton.com/Midi/MozartK581Arr/MozartK581ArrA.mp3 http://www.dfenton.com/Midi/MozartK581Arr/MozartK581ArrA1.mp3 I put them in a spectragraph, averaged between 230' and 330'.

Re: [Finale] OT: MP3 Compression Comparison

2005-09-26 Thread Christopher Smith
On Sep 26, 2005, at 2:22 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: I actually haven't tried creating an MP3 with iTunes itself to see if it made a better MP3 -- I should try it (though I'd miss batch conversion). iTunes for Windows doesn't have batch conversion? Are you sure, as it is a basic part of the

Re: [Finale] OT: MP3 Compression Comparison

2005-09-26 Thread A-NO-NE Music
David W. Fenton / 2005/09/26 / 02:22 PM wrote: an in that regard, it's superb -- MP3s always sound significantly better played from iTunes than from any other player I have. I wish I knew what iTunes was doing It's all depends on decoder. For example, iPod had never been able to playback MP3

Re: [Finale] Re: Secondary Beam Breaks

2005-09-26 Thread David W. Fenton
On 26 Sep 2005 at 19:12, Ken Moore wrote: David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't understand how a rest in another layer will delay the 2nd 16th-note in the first layer by 1/32nd rest, which is the desired result. I need the sound of 16th note, 32nd rest, 3 16th notes. I

Re: [Finale] OT: MP3 Compression Comparison

2005-09-26 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 26 Sep 2005, at 2:22 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: The difficulty with using the Apple format is that none of my audio programs would probably be able to use it directly to write CDs or make MP3s (other than iTunes itself). Sure, but if you need to burn to CD, you can use iTunes to convert

Re: [Finale] OT: MP3 Compression Comparison

2005-09-26 Thread David W. Fenton
On 26 Sep 2005 at 14:34, Christopher Smith wrote: On Sep 26, 2005, at 2:22 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: I actually haven't tried creating an MP3 with iTunes itself to see if it made a better MP3 -- I should try it (though I'd miss batch conversion). iTunes for Windows doesn't have

Re: [Finale] OT: MP3 Compression Comparison

2005-09-26 Thread David W. Fenton
On 26 Sep 2005 at 15:40, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 26 Sep 2005, at 2:22 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: The difficulty with using the Apple format is that none of my audio programs would probably be able to use it directly to write CDs or make MP3s (other than iTunes itself). Sure, but

Re: [Finale] OT: MP3 Compression Comparison

2005-09-26 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi David, If you have Keep iTunes Music Folder Organized checked in your iTunes preferences, iTunes audio files are stored in: iTunes Music/ Artist Name/Album Name By default, converted files will have the same album name and artist name as the source files, so they will be stored in the

RE: [Finale] OT: MP3 Compression Comparison

2005-09-26 Thread Kurt Gnos
Lee, made me laugh, your post;-) ... at first, that is. But after I'd gone through the rest of the post, I'm asking myself... First, I just wanted to be helpful. While the difference between 128 and 192 mbs certainly doesn't matter with those crap sounds, anyone calling himself (or herself)

Re: [Finale] OT: MP3 Compression Comparison

2005-09-26 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 04:14 PM 09/26/2005, David W. Fenton wrote: There's a mixer in iTunes? The version I have is 4, I had 4.9 until recently. In the lower right corner of the main iTunes window is an icon that looks like an equalizer. It opens the equalizer. g and I'm not about to upgrade to 5, given that I

Re: [Finale] OT: MP3 Compression Comparison

2005-09-26 Thread David W. Fenton
On 26 Sep 2005 at 16:15, Darcy James Argue wrote: If you have Keep iTunes Music Folder Organized checked in your iTunes preferences, iTunes audio files are stored in: iTunes Music/ Artist Name/Album Name Ah. I'd *never* do it that way -- subfolders like that just don't have anything to do

[Finale] move repeat sign

2005-09-26 Thread Dragos Oltean
view this image http://www.svp-amd.cnet.ro/diverse/finale_repeat.jpg I want to move repeat sign after first note. It's possible? Thanks, Dragos. Finale 2006, WinXP ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

RE: [Finale] OT: MP3 Compression Comparison

2005-09-26 Thread David W. Fenton
On 26 Sep 2005 at 22:29, Kurt Gnos wrote: And, David, I must confirm Lee, you don't have much of a whim of knowledge considering manners and modern sound technology and certainly don't know what you don't know You have completely missed the point. You are more interested in telling me how

Re: [Finale] OT: MP3 Compression Comparison

2005-09-26 Thread David W. Fenton
On 26 Sep 2005 at 16:42, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 04:14 PM 09/26/2005, David W. Fenton wrote: There's a mixer in iTunes? The version I have is 4, I had 4.9 until recently. In the lower right corner of the main iTunes window is an icon that looks like an equalizer. It opens the equalizer.

Re: [Finale] OT: MP3 Compression Comparison

2005-09-26 Thread David W. Fenton
On 26 Sep 2005 at 14:29, Christopher Smith wrote: On Sep 26, 2005, at 11:05 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: David W. Fenton / 2005/09/25 / 04:21 PM wrote: http://www.dfenton.com/Midi/MozartK581Arr/MozartK581ArrA.mp3 http://www.dfenton.com/Midi/MozartK581Arr/MozartK581ArrA1.mp3 I put

Re: [Finale] move repeat sign

2005-09-26 Thread David W. Fenton
On 27 Sep 2005 at 0:18, Dragos Oltean wrote: view this image http://www.svp-amd.cnet.ro/diverse/finale_repeat.jpg I want to move repeat sign after first note. It's possible? Finale 2006, WinXP Well, Finale 2006 is supposed to handle this for you with a plugin. I believe it was reported

Re: [Finale] OT: MP3 Compression Comparison

2005-09-26 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 05:30 PM 09/26/2005, David W. Fenton wrote: Oy, it was a couple of weeks ago when it came out that there was a storm of complaints in one of the lists I read, because people had downloaded and installed it and it rendered their systems unbootable. I do see a couple of mentions on the Apple

Re: [Finale] move repeat sign

2005-09-26 Thread Dragos Oltean
Yes, plug-ins - Mid-Measure Repeats. It' nice. Thanks David. - Original Message - From: David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 12:42 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] move repeat sign On 27 Sep 2005 at 0:18, Dragos Oltean wrote: view this

RE: [Finale] OT: MP3 Compression Comparison

2005-09-26 Thread Kurt Gnos
David, ok., I appologize... I didn't understand you, as well...;-) and I appreciate the length of your answer - kind of being taken seriously... but... until Finale 2006 you couldn't even set panorama to a sound. And that's much in a midi file. I would recommend to export a midi file from

Re: [Finale] move repeat sign

2005-09-26 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On 9/26/05, Dragos Oltean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: view this image http://www.svp-amd.cnet.ro/diverse/finale_repeat.jpg I want to move repeat sign after first note. It's possible? You'll have to add an extra measure, so that there's a barline in between the first half and the last half of that

Re: [Finale] OT: MP3 Compression Comparison

2005-09-26 Thread David W. Fenton
On 26 Sep 2005 at 17:40, David W. Fenton wrote: Now I should try using iTunes to convert and seeing if *that* sounds different! OK, I've done that now. The file is (all on one line): http://www.dfenton.com/Midi/MozartK581Arr/AAM-Mozart- ClarinetQuintet192iTunes.mp3 I *think* I hear a

RE: [Finale] OT: MP3 Compression Comparison

2005-09-26 Thread David W. Fenton
On 26 Sep 2005 at 23:54, Kurt Gnos wrote: ok., I appologize... I didn't understand you, as well...;-) and I appreciate the length of your answer - kind of being taken seriously... but... until Finale 2006 you couldn't even set panorama to a sound. Panorama? Is that different from pan?