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> I noticed that, but the driver itself reports it is 3.34. Basically
> we have two 3.34 versions: one from 2015 and one from 2020. The new
> 2020 version should have been bumped to 3.35, but it was kept at 3.34
> for some reason. Yay, clarity! lol
> 
> It seems the 3.35 version mentioned in readme.txt hasn't been
> released yet.

Correct, but then there has to be more testing first anyway ;-)
Which I think would be easier with a nice package available...



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2020-03-23 Thread Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-user

I noticed that, but the driver itself reports it is 3.34. Basically we have two 
3.34 versions: one from 2015 and one from 2020. The new 2020 version should 
have been bumped to 3.35, but it was kept at 3.34 for some reason. Yay, 
clarity! lol

It seems the 3.35 version mentioned in readme.txt hasn't been released yet.

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> On 23/03/2020 21:30, Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-user wrote:
>
>> Also, the packaged version of HIMEMX is done and can be found here
>> http://mercurycoding.com/downloads/DOS/HIMEMX.zip. Hopefully I didn't
>> miss anything!
>
> There is a version mismatch between the lsm (3.34) and the actual driver
> (3.35).
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2020-03-23 Thread Mateusz Viste


On 23/03/2020 21:30, Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-user wrote:
Also, the packaged version of HIMEMX is done and can be found here 
. Hopefully I didn't 
miss anything!


There is a version mismatch between the lsm (3.34) and the actual driver 
(3.35).


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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist and feature requests

2020-03-23 Thread Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-user

Thank you! This explains why my searching got me nowhere lol

Also, the packaged version of HIMEMX is done and can be found 
[here](http://mercurycoding.com/downloads/DOS/HIMEMX.zip). Hopefully I didn't 
miss anything!

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> Hi Mercury,
>
>> Where would one find the most recent UHDD sources?
>
> They can be found in
>
>> ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/cdrom/uide/drivers-2019-03-31.zip
>
> which alas is a VERY generic name to google for...
> The zip contains:
> readme.txt, uhdd.asm and uhdd sys 2019-04-02
> cc, rdisk, rdiskon, udvd2, uide,
> xmgr all asm & sys 2015-03-05.
> As far as I remember, a 2017-10-30 update of xmgr
> should be available - somewhere else on ibiblio.
> Also, separate uide and udvd2 packages should be
> in the FreeDOS 1.3 repositories already, but have
> a look whether they are up to date.
> udvd2 is a driver for SATA and ATAPI CD/DVD drives
> uhdd is a disk cache and UDMA driver
> uide combines basic features of udvd2 and uhdd for
> those who want to create very small boot disks.
> rdisk is a FAT16 ramdisk (2 MB to 2 GB size)
> xmgr is a himem style memory manager
> Unlike most CD/DVD drivers which need special CD
> caches such as cdrcache, udvd2 can automatically
> use the cache provided by uhdd if both are used.
> Note that the readme describes ALL drivers, so you
> could put copies in each package. Having separate
> packages helps users to find and install individual
> components, whereas the "drivers.zip" is something
> only insiders would suspect to contain all this ;-)
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Hi Michael,

I see what a SMD pick and place machine does, yes :-)

So basically there are two apps, one for DOS and one
for Windows, and you would prefer them to run on some
still supported DOS and Windows (or Wine). What are
the issues with this at the moment? I do not expect
you to have Q-Soft sources, so porting would not be
an option, only making FreeDOS and Wine or ReactOS
more compatible to Q-Soft.

Even then it will be tricky to replace broken hardware
in the machine itself, as you say it is very ISA oriented.

You could allegedly use a virtual machine to redirect
I/O to something PCI, but that would be less real-time
to say the least.

I expect the GUI part and the machine part to communicate
over a network, so I hope the GUI is much less hardware
specific. Yet you say ReactOS is no option even there?
You seem to be closely watching the ReactOS progress.
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Hi Mercury,

> Where would one find the most recent UHDD sources?

They can be found in

> ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/cdrom/uide/drivers-2019-03-31.zip

which alas is a VERY generic name to google for...

The zip contains:

readme.txt, uhdd.asm and uhdd sys 2019-04-02

cc, rdisk, rdiskon, udvd2, uide,
xmgr all asm & sys 2015-03-05.

As far as I remember, a 2017-10-30 update of xmgr
should be available - somewhere else on ibiblio.

Also, separate uide and udvd2 packages should be
in the FreeDOS 1.3 repositories already, but have
a look whether they are up to date.

udvd2 is a driver for SATA and ATAPI CD/DVD drives
uhdd is a disk cache and UDMA driver

uide combines basic features of udvd2 and uhdd for
those who want to create very small boot disks.

rdisk is a FAT16 ramdisk (2 MB to 2 GB size)

xmgr is a himem style memory manager

Unlike most CD/DVD drivers which need special CD
caches such as cdrcache, udvd2 can automatically
use the cache provided by uhdd if both are used.

Note that the readme describes ALL drivers, so you
could put copies in each package. Having separate
packages helps users to find and install individual
components, whereas the "drivers.zip" is something
only insiders would suspect to contain all this ;-)

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist and feature requests

2020-03-23 Thread michael

Q-Soft originally created by Tyco is a real time system targeted at MS-DOS and 
a GUI system targeted at Windows 98SE/Windows Millenium.

PPM owns Q-Soft now and has a Windows 7 replacement and a completely reworked 
pick and place machine.

If you know what surface mount electronics are you are well on your way to 
understanding what the Quad QSP-2 is.

The Tyco machine is 20 year old technology, but the system is worth $30k+.  Why 
are there two computers?  Windows 98 
is not a real time system and the Tyco real time head uses a ton of ISA cards.  
Getting SBCs, industrial single board
computers, that are 20 years old and in good working condition is neither easy 
nor cheap these days.  Supporting 
Windows 98se which is abandonware is not easy, and no you can't get the source 
for 98se nor can you use it without a 
key.  MSDOS 6.22 is closed source, not supported, and you are supposed to use a 
licensed copy even though you cannot
buy one anymore.  Microsoft could come after you for using MS-DOS that you 
didn't purchase from them, same for Windows
98SE.

If you have a broken down Tyco QSP-2 and you are rich, go ahead and buy PPM's 
QSP-2.  Thing is, I'm not that impressed 
with PPM's system and I'm not happy with Windows 7.  It's a decent system, but 
I'd rather run ReactOS when it stabilizes.

ReactOS by the way is of no value if you are trying to fix a Tyco QSP-2 and it 
is stalled in development at the moment.
They have 16 or more major blockers to the next release where the next release 
isn't even a beta.  They are hurting
in the area of programming a new memory manager.  Their memory manager must be 
completely rewritten and replaced.  Few
programmers can do this and even fewer of the ones who can if any are working 
on ReactOS.  ReactOS 0.4.13 is heavily delayed, and it's not even going to be a 
beta that is suitable for everyday use, let alone a pounded out gold release.
Freedos could replace MS-DOS for the real time side of a Tyco QSP-2 but without 
hacking, an NT style Windows will never
replace the GUI side of a Tyco QSP-2.

ReactOS was Freewin95 at first, but when Microsoft abandoned dos based Windows, 
the ReactOS project did as well.
There are probably more systems than just the Tyco QSP-2 that rely on Windows 
9x and MSDOS that are not cheap systems
where you cannot simply drop in NT without heavily re-engineering the system.

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Hi Michael, long mail ahead ;-)

Please do not mix long file names and FAT32: The former can
even be used on FAT12 floppy. In FreeDOS, you have to load
a LFN driver TSR to use it, but I think most of command.com
already is LFN-aware. You may have to set some shell options
in your startup files (config, autoexec).

The question is which other apps need LFN support: As mentioned
earlier, it would be possible to create a TSR (similar to SETVER
in MS DOS) which knows which apps are LFN-aware and replaced LFN
file and directory names in command line options by their short
counterparts in the background for everything else. See that
bunnyhop "c:\forest level\" fictional old game example :-)

In which situations is FAT32 not stable? And which tools lack
support for it yet? You probably know my point of view regarding
CHKDSK: Because FAT32 partitions have way more metadata, CHKDSK
(8086 compatible) did not get support for it, but you can use
DOSFSCK (ported from Linux, needs 386 and enough free RAM) to
check your FAT32 partitions. For defrag, I believe there were
some initial steps towards FAT32 support, but it was long ago.

Of course dosfsck does not look like scandisk, if style matters.
The look and feel libraries of defrag or edit could be used, or
probably something again ported from Linux, to stay in 32 bit C.

Which other disk tools need more FAT32 support?

> Highest priority is memory management

In which sense?

> followed by FAT32 support improvements

See above.

> and then improvements to out of the box tools for everything
> from filesystem tools to something like what MSD provided.

Let us know how you like hwinfo, nssi and informer :-)
Which other tools should be improved (or added)?

> Anti virus is very important, maybe some improvements
> to clamav are in order.

While it would be possible to port a newer clamav version to
DOS, it is horribly bloated even on more powerful systems. My
assumption is that new viruses for DOS are rare, so I would
prefer something stripped down towards that virus ecosystem.

You may also want to have a look at my old FDSHIELD which is
vaguely similar to VSAFE but does not try to detect specific
virus "brands" at all: It just detects, blocks and alerts on
generic virus like activity, with simple command line options.

> A stretch goal is to make Freedos Windows compatible, at
> least 3.1 and 3.11.  To a certain degree 3.1 works now, but 
> does enhanced mode work and could 3.1 / 3.11 be replaced by
> an open source alternative on top of Freedos?

I remember that you needed a lot of creativity to make Windows
3.1 386enh mode or Windows for Workgroups 3.11 in normal, non-
safe mode work on FreeDOS, but I think some people did get it
to work. Also, when you run Windows in FreeDOS in for example
DOSEMU, the improved DPMI host of DOSEMU helps you. That said,
you could try using DPMIONE, HDPMI or similar on raw hardware
and maybe use 386SWAT to debug problems ;-)

Regarding your other question: The standard answer is ReactOS
which originally was meant to be a Windows NT (in 1996 started
even as FreeWin95) alternative and actually did get updates in
2019 and now supports a few popular Linux filesystems, too. A
common platform are virtual computers, but by now it should be
working on reasonably widespread real hardware and apparently
it is realistic enough to let MS Office 2010 run? Parts of the
code co-evolve with Wine, but to be honest, if you want to use
Windows software on a modern PC, Wine in Linux will often be
sufficient anyway. ReactOS needs 96 and recommends 256 MB RAM,
according to Wikipedia.

Another way to run Windows software in DOS is Japeth's HX RT,
which you could compare to an extremely extended DPMI extender
including implementations of many popular Windows API calls:

> https://www.japheth.de/HX.html

> https://www.japheth.de/dwnload4.html

This lets you run non-fancy Windows programs directly from the
DOS prompt, for example compilers (non-graphical) or graphical
apps which only use SDL or similar very compatible frameworks,
such as QEMU or DOSBOX. Run virtual PC & DOS inside DOS! :-)

Note that only half a dozen of the most basic Windows DLL are
emulated, so do not expect to run Chrome on DOS with HX GUI.

>  I really like FLTK for example and seem to be remember a
> freedos spin that used FLTK to provide a gui.

Yes, that was a very nice project by Georg Potthast :-)

> https://code.google.com/archive/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/downloads

> https://sourceforge.net/projects/fltk-dos/

It has a desktop with icons and Win95 style start menu, the
Dillo web browser, FlWriter text editor, FlMail client, the
sprsht spreadsheet and other things.

>  The system was roughly comparable to Windows 3.1.

Not really.

> I'll port Tyco's Q-Soft to Freedos for the real
> time system and Linux for the gui ;-)  Maybe I
> can run the program in Linux using WINE...

What is Q-Soft, which OS does it run on and why
would you port 1 half to DOS and 1 half to

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist and feature requests

2020-03-23 Thread Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-user

Where would one find the most recent UHDD sources?

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> Hi Mercury,
>
>> "Creating packages for FreeDOS software that are not packaged yet."
>> ... any "top requests" as it were?
>
> If you ask me: UHDD (only UIDE and UDVD2 listed yet?) and the
> new HIMEMX version by Japheth, as discussed here recently :-)
> HIMEMX should get some tests in particular by users of either
> ancient or very modern computers and that would get easier if
> a package would be available :-) Background: Japheth has added
> his own advanced parsing for int 15.e820 results (different
> from the old Pemberton fork) and uses a special sequence of
> "mov cr0,eax; jz $ + 2", maybe for CPU compatibility reasons.
> Japheth drops int 15.8a calls: Very few old computers worked
> better with those calls, but the Pemberton fork failed to do
> sufficient checks whether the call actually is supported, so
> that forked version was worse for various modern computers.
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist and feature requests

2020-03-23 Thread michael

Hello:

I seem to recall that long filename support could use some work and out of the 
box Freedos doesn't support them.

As far as memory management, any improvements in that area are highly welcome 
as that is probably the most important
foundational improvement that could be made.

FAT32 support puts freedos above MS-DOS 6.22.  There could be some improvement 
though.  Long filename support needs 
to be stable, but this isn't what I would call a highest priority issue.  There 
is a lot of work making FAT32 more
stable and making sure everything from checkdisk to defrag works with Fat32 
volumes.  A scandisk clone would be nice.

Highest priority is memory management followed by FAT32 support improvements 
and then improvements to out of the box
tools for everything from filesystem tools to something like what MSD provided. 
 And yes, I'm meaning to check out 
hwinfo.  Anti virus is very important, maybe some improvements to clamav are in 
order.

A stretch goal is to make Freedos Windows compatible, at least 3.1 and 3.11.  
To a certain degree 3.1 works now, but 
does enhanced mode work and could 3.1/3.11 be replaced by an open source 
alternative on top of Freedos?  I really like
FLTK for example and seem to be remember a freedos spin that used FLTK to 
provide a gui.  The system was roughly comparable to Windows 3.1.

Given I have the time and the necessary info, I'll port Tyco's Q-Soft to 
Freedos for the real time system and Linux 
for the gui ;-)  Maybe I can run the program in Linux using WINE, worth a try 
at least.

It would be awesome if open source modern video support existed so you can do 
higher resolution in say FLTK 
or Windows 3.x.  Start with PCI and then move on to PCI express.

A revival of the open source implementation of the IPX protocol would be 
awesome.  It would make a lot of old dos games work and an IPX/IP gateway could 
be a Linux server where the Linux server could handle security (anti virus 
squid proxy anyone).

 -- Michael C. Robinson

March 23, 2020 1:33 PM, "Eric Auer"  wrote:

> Hi Mercury,
> 
>> "Creating packages for FreeDOS software that are not packaged yet."
>> 
>> ... any "top requests" as it were?
> 
> If you ask me: UHDD (only UIDE and UDVD2 listed yet?) and the
> new HIMEMX version by Japheth, as discussed here recently :-)
> 
> HIMEMX should get some tests in particular by users of either
> ancient or very modern computers and that would get easier if
> a package would be available :-) Background: Japheth has added
> his own advanced parsing for int 15.e820 results (different
> from the old Pemberton fork) and uses a special sequence of
> "mov cr0,eax; jz $ + 2", maybe for CPU compatibility reasons.
> 
> Japheth drops int 15.8a calls: Very few old computers worked
> better with those calls, but the Pemberton fork failed to do
> sufficient checks whether the call actually is supported, so
> that forked version was worse for various modern computers.
> 
> Thank you :-) Eric
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist and feature requests

2020-03-23 Thread Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-user

Cool, thanks for the info!

Not that I'm promising anything given my schedule, but maybe I'll be able to 
throw something together in my limited spare time. Shouldn't be too hard to get 
the others together since I already built HIMEMX from Japheth's new sources.

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> Hi Mercury,
>
>> "Creating packages for FreeDOS software that are not packaged yet."
>> ... any "top requests" as it were?
>
> If you ask me: UHDD (only UIDE and UDVD2 listed yet?) and the
> new HIMEMX version by Japheth, as discussed here recently :-)
> HIMEMX should get some tests in particular by users of either
> ancient or very modern computers and that would get easier if
> a package would be available :-) Background: Japheth has added
> his own advanced parsing for int 15.e820 results (different
> from the old Pemberton fork) and uses a special sequence of
> "mov cr0,eax; jz $ + 2", maybe for CPU compatibility reasons.
> Japheth drops int 15.8a calls: Very few old computers worked
> better with those calls, but the Pemberton fork failed to do
> sufficient checks whether the call actually is supported, so
> that forked version was worse for various modern computers.
> Thank you :-) Eric
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Hi Mercury,

> "Creating packages for FreeDOS software that are not packaged yet."
> 
> ... any "top requests" as it were?

If you ask me: UHDD (only UIDE and UDVD2 listed yet?) and the
new HIMEMX version by Japheth, as discussed here recently :-)

HIMEMX should get some tests in particular by users of either
ancient or very modern computers and that would get easier if
a package would be available :-) Background: Japheth has added
his own advanced parsing for int 15.e820 results (different
from the old Pemberton fork) and uses a special sequence of
"mov cr0,eax; jz $ + 2", maybe for CPU compatibility reasons.

Japheth drops int 15.8a calls: Very few old computers worked
better with those calls, but the Pemberton fork failed to do
sufficient checks whether the call actually is supported, so
that forked version was worse for various modern computers.

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist and feature requests

2020-03-23 Thread Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-user

Point #2 on the wishlist states:

"Creating packages for FreeDOS software that are not packaged yet."

Do we have a list of this software, partial or otherwise? Or any "top requests" 
as it were?

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> Hi everybody, it seems that
> https://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/feature-requests/
> has not been updated for a while: A few wishes seem
> to no longer apply or would be easy to cover with
> current distros.
> On the other hand, the wishlist still is a classic ;-)
>
>> http://wiki.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/(Free)DOS_development_wishlist
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Hi everybody, it seems that

https://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/feature-requests/

has not been updated for a while: A few wishes seem
to no longer apply or would be easy to cover with
current distros.

On the other hand, the wishlist still is a classic ;-)

> http://wiki.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/(Free)DOS_development_wishlist

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

2015-05-27 Thread Don Flowers

It's all good (but will offer prayers at your request) - I have an uncle
who is a lovable curmudgeon and I consider you in the same category. ;^o

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, Don,

 On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Don Flowers donr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I did not contact Jack because I was discouraged from doing so.

 Luke 6:27 = But to you who hear I say, love your enemies, do good to
 those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who
 mistreat you.
 Ephesians 4:31 = All bitterness, fury, anger, shouting, and reviling
 must be removed from you, along with all malice.

 Please pray for Jack. And pray for me because I'm not sure how
 patiently I will continue to behave under such pressure.


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2015-05-27 Thread Carl spitzer

On Mon, 2015-05-18 at 13:11 +0200, Mateusz Viste wrote:

 Okay, I understand.
 
 Have you wrote about this to Jack? He might be still interested in 
 GCDROM feedback, and it could be an interesting case for him perhaps.
 
 However, the problem is larger I think anyway - today you are unable to 
 set your CD controller to legacy IDE mode, but tomorrow it might just as 
 well be about your HDD drive, which would make FreeDOS worthless on such 
 machine. I'll add this to the wishlist, too.


If SATA v PATA aka IDE is an issue what about those conversion cards
which make SATA into IDE or IDE into SATA?

Has anyone here experimented with them??

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2015-05-27 Thread Rugxulo

Hi, Don,

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Don Flowers donr...@gmail.com wrote:

 I did not contact Jack because I was discouraged from doing so.

Luke 6:27 = But to you who hear I say, love your enemies, do good to
those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who
mistreat you.
Ephesians 4:31 = All bitterness, fury, anger, shouting, and reviling
must be removed from you, along with all malice.

Please pray for Jack. And pray for me because I'm not sure how
patiently I will continue to behave under such pressure.

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2015-05-27 Thread Don Flowers

I did not contact Jack because I was discouraged from doing so. Adapter
card is not applicable to my laptop, so Intel AHCI.SYS driver remains as
the only working solution.

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Carl spitzer lynuxro...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Mon, 2015-05-18 at 13:11 +0200, Mateusz Viste wrote:

 Okay, I understand.
 Have you wrote about this to Jack? He might be still interested in GCDROM 
 feedback, and it could be an interesting case for him perhaps.
 However, the problem is larger I think anyway - today you are unable to set 
 your CD controller to legacy IDE mode, but tomorrow it might just as well be 
 about your HDD drive, which would make FreeDOS worthless on such machine. 
 I'll add this to the wishlist, too.


 If SATA v PATA aka IDE is an issue what about those conversion cards which
 make SATA into IDE or IDE into SATA?

 Has anyone here experimented with them??

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

2015-05-24 Thread Dale E Sterner

For a whish list It would be nice to add a version of xcopy that also
copies
hidden and system file. Also it would be nice to able to read Chinese
made UDF
cds on dos. Why do they use UDF on a read only cd; its suppose to be for
R/W cd's..

cheers
DS




On Sat, 16 May 2015 19:37:26 +0200 Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr
writes:
 Hi all,
 
 Yesterday a post on the freedos devel list gave birth to a 
 'wishlist' of 
 things that would be needed in FreeDOS.
 
 I repost this list here, since I am curious what other DOS users 
 think. 
 If you see something missing, that is both within a reasonable 
 technical 
 scope and represents a tangible real-case need, please tell. If 
 there's 
 feedback, I will compile a clean list and post it somewhere on the 
 FreeDOS wiki, so that would be a nice place to send anyone that asks 
 
 'how could I contribute'.
 
 Here's the list:
 
 Creating packages:
 - Cyclicly making sure all we have packaged so far is still up to 
 date
 - Creating packages for (free) DOS sofware that is not packaged yet
 - Porting existing non-DOS software to DOS
 - Nagging old shareware authors to open their ancient source code to 
 the
 community
 
 Developing user tools:
 - A http(s) browser that works with today's web pages (CSS3, HTML5, 
 JS...)
 - Picture viewer/converter, like SEA DOS Viewer
 - Extend one of the existing network stacks with full IPv6 support
 - Create a FreeDOS installer that could be used on FreeDOS v1.2
 - Interconnectivity tools (ie. 'how to transfer files between a 
 FreeDOS
 box and another PC, for example MSDOS had interlnk) - maybe a NFS 
 browser, or even just a free
 equivalent of the old LapLink tool (there's File Maven of course, 
 but 
 it's not free)
 
 Developing low-level drivers:
 - Drivers for modern, unsupported hardware (mostly Sound and 
 networking)
 - support for GPT partitions within the FreeDOS kernel and 
 associated 
 tools (format, fdisk, chkdsk...)
 - for sound, a new API based on the VESA sound standard could be 
 nice
 for new apps
 - Wider/better/easier USB support
 - Implementing something better than FAT32 in the FreeDOS kernel, 
 that
 supports journalling (ext3?)
 
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

2015-05-20 Thread Mateusz Viste

I don't understand why you guys are responding to this :)
The guy landed in my killfile many messages ago already, and the only 
thing that reminds me of him are responses from others.

Please adjust your filters (or set up a ml ban, for these of you who are 
able to do so).

Mateusz


On 20/05/2015 04:24, Jim Hall wrote:
 On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Ralf Quint freedos...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 5/19/2015 1:00 PM, Dario Roncone wrote:
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 You seriously need to adjust your attitude pal, there is no place for
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

2015-05-20 Thread Don Flowers

whatever your reason is: forget it.
DONE! I spent all day yesterday setting up XFDOS and even though my time
with it was somewhat limited, I found XFDOS much easier to set up thant
OpenGEM. It is the best GUI I have seen yet. I want this to be a priority
for the primary GUI for FreeDOS.

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 2:50 AM, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr wrote:

 I don't understand why you guys are responding to this :)
 The guy landed in my killfile many messages ago already, and the only
 thing that reminds me of him are responses from others.

 Please adjust your filters (or set up a ml ban, for these of you who are
 able to do so).

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  On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Ralf Quint freedos...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  On 5/19/2015 1:00 PM, Dario Roncone wrote:
  Tom F*** Y**!
 
  You seriously need to adjust your attitude pal, there is no place for
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

2015-05-19 Thread Don Flowers

Just one more wish list item, If someone could rework the RPM 2.37
Advanced Boot Manager to work with drives above 8gb and then port that into
RPM 2.44 that would be awesome.

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Karen Lewellen
 klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:
 
  Granted, I am not using a  browser directly on my computer,  but this
  of mouse because I cannot. it is because  no one has done a dos build of
 Lynx
  in a grand while.

 Juan Manuel Guerrero did a DJGPP build (not necessarily heavily tested
 nor lots of new code written) for Lynx a few months ago. It's on the
 mirrors. I know I posted a message here about it. I thought you'd have
 noticed that. I haven't tried it personally, and it sounds somewhat
 complicated to use (download this, set that), but it does exist. But I
 wouldn't pin any huge hopes on it doing everything you want by
 default.

  Equally elinks needs spider monkey to have the slight
  java  and for some reason I cannot find a recent links for dos.

 I'm not aware of any Javascript support in DOS. Which is bad because
 some things (e.g. Google Groups) now require it.

 But indeed there is a Links2 port to DOS (thanks to Mikulas). I
 mentioned that on the mailing list too, and I mirrored it to iBiblio
 for us. This I have (somewhat limited) used, esp. under QEMU or VBox
 (where I actually have a working packet driver). Even -g (graphical)
 works. He's done a test build very recently that attempts to fix some
 things (I guess??), but I haven't tried it.

  Browsers not withstanding though, why is it so hard to just do this in
 freedos?

 No developers, no testers, very disorganized (well, FreeDOS is
 organized quite nicely, thanks to Jim Hall, but overall the DOS
 ecosystem is chaotic). And that's with free tools, a free kernel, and
 well-documented interfaces. It's considered old, dead, obsolete, and
 nobody cares anymore. Blame them, not us! We're too few in number to
 do anything major.

  took me ten minutes to do the setup i have for networking.
  I may hunt the wifi card  below, if it is suitable for a laptop.
  Sorry if this seems innocent, but what is the challenge?

 It's a complicated world, always fighting to replace (or break)
 pre-existing things, so no, it's never easy. Plus people (even
 so-called friends) can't even get along. It's a mess. Sorry for
 cynicism, pessimism, it's just frustrating trying to not fail when
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

2015-05-19 Thread Don Flowers

While recommending the Dillodos to another member, I discovered Georg
Pothast's XFDOS GUI. Maybe that could be added to the next distribution? I
will be getting familiar with it and report back (specifically is there a
way to add my most used program (Seedmaster for DOS) onto the Desktop - if
so then I really wouldn't need Windows at all.

https://code.google.com/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/wiki/XFDOS


On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Don Flowers donr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just one more wish list item, If someone could rework the RPM 2.37
 Advanced Boot Manager to work with drives above 8gb and then port that into
 RPM 2.44 that would be awesome.

 On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Karen Lewellen
 klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:
 
  Granted, I am not using a  browser directly on my computer,  but this
  of mouse because I cannot. it is because  no one has done a dos build
 of Lynx
  in a grand while.

 Juan Manuel Guerrero did a DJGPP build (not necessarily heavily tested
 nor lots of new code written) for Lynx a few months ago. It's on the
 mirrors. I know I posted a message here about it. I thought you'd have
 noticed that. I haven't tried it personally, and it sounds somewhat
 complicated to use (download this, set that), but it does exist. But I
 wouldn't pin any huge hopes on it doing everything you want by
 default.

  Equally elinks needs spider monkey to have the slight
  java  and for some reason I cannot find a recent links for dos.

 I'm not aware of any Javascript support in DOS. Which is bad because
 some things (e.g. Google Groups) now require it.

 But indeed there is a Links2 port to DOS (thanks to Mikulas). I
 mentioned that on the mailing list too, and I mirrored it to iBiblio
 for us. This I have (somewhat limited) used, esp. under QEMU or VBox
 (where I actually have a working packet driver). Even -g (graphical)
 works. He's done a test build very recently that attempts to fix some
 things (I guess??), but I haven't tried it.

  Browsers not withstanding though, why is it so hard to just do this in
 freedos?

 No developers, no testers, very disorganized (well, FreeDOS is
 organized quite nicely, thanks to Jim Hall, but overall the DOS
 ecosystem is chaotic). And that's with free tools, a free kernel, and
 well-documented interfaces. It's considered old, dead, obsolete, and
 nobody cares anymore. Blame them, not us! We're too few in number to
 do anything major.

  took me ten minutes to do the setup i have for networking.
  I may hunt the wifi card  below, if it is suitable for a laptop.
  Sorry if this seems innocent, but what is the challenge?

 It's a complicated world, always fighting to replace (or break)
 pre-existing things, so no, it's never easy. Plus people (even
 so-called friends) can't even get along. It's a mess. Sorry for
 cynicism, pessimism, it's just frustrating trying to not fail when
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

2015-05-19 Thread Jim Hall

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Ralf Quint freedos...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 5/19/2015 1:00 PM, Dario Roncone wrote:
 Tom F*** Y**!

 You seriously need to adjust your attitude pal, there is no place for
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

2015-05-19 Thread Don Flowers

What a killjoy! Tom it was a wish list after all  from my personal
experience on FreeDOS 1.0 with the unstable kernel where crashes were few
and far between in standard mode, it seems possible if not practical.

C'est la vie! FreeDOS is not my life, just something to obsess about,
ironically speaking.

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Tom Ehlert t...@drivesnapshot.de wrote:

  My reason for wanting to use Windows 3.1 in  FreeDOS is for some
  very specific apps (yes among them are a couple of bible programs)
  and just having access to some utilities such as Winimage Winzip,
  etc. That said, since 1993 I have always had Compaq DOS/Windows 3.1
  on at least one of my PCs so, I can always fall back to that - just a
 bit inconvenient.

 whatever your reason is: forget it.

 this would be a lot of work, and the developers find it more then
 'a bit inconvenient' to put much effort in things that they aren't
 interested in.

 Tom




  On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi,
 
   On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:42 AM, Tom Ehlert t...@drivesnapshot.de
 wrote:
  
   Ability to run Windows 3.1 in 386 enhanced mode.
  
   has been discussed multiple times. conclusion: forget it
 
   Okay, but let's be clear here:
 
   1). It's proprietary, so it's not redistributable.
   2). It's old, so most people don't have (nor want) it.
   3). It used undocumented MS-specific data, so it's fairly hard to be
 compatible.
   4). It's harder (maybe impossible) to run on even semi-modern machines
   due to its own bugs and design limits.
 
   However, that doesn't mean it's totally not worth supporting. In fact,
   I could be wrong (never cared much personally, thus never tested, I
   prefer real DOS, not Win16 GUI apps), but I think DOSBox claims to
   work with Win 3.x (or maybe even Win95). I know for a fact that DR-DOS
   7.03 fully works, but I'm not sure about OpenDOS or EDR-DOS.
   (Obviously those have different licenses, but I know it's not [always]
   totally illegal to reverse engineer or clean-room, esp. when dealing
   with explicit compatibility problems like this.)
 
   Regarding DOS apps themselves, the only real reason to use Win 3.1
   would be for something like multitasking (or maybe some obscure
   drivers??). In that case, it's probably easier to instead just use
   DOSEMU under Linux.
 
   So, summary: it's hard to support but not impossible, but the simple
   answer is to look elsewhere at pre-existing solutions (or similar).
 

 
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

2015-05-19 Thread Ralf Quint

On 5/19/2015 1:00 PM, Dario Roncone wrote:
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You seriously need to adjust your attitude pal, there is no place for 
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

2015-05-19 Thread Dario Roncone

Tom Fuck You!

2015-05-19 20:22 GMT+02:00, Don Flowers donr...@gmail.com:
 What a killjoy! Tom it was a wish list after all  from my personal
 experience on FreeDOS 1.0 with the unstable kernel where crashes were few
 and far between in standard mode, it seems possible if not practical.

 C'est la vie! FreeDOS is not my life, just something to obsess about,
 ironically speaking.

 On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Tom Ehlert t...@drivesnapshot.de wrote:

  My reason for wanting to use Windows 3.1 in  FreeDOS is for some
  very specific apps (yes among them are a couple of bible programs)
  and just having access to some utilities such as Winimage Winzip,
  etc. That said, since 1993 I have always had Compaq DOS/Windows 3.1
  on at least one of my PCs so, I can always fall back to that - just a
 bit inconvenient.

 whatever your reason is: forget it.

 this would be a lot of work, and the developers find it more then
 'a bit inconvenient' to put much effort in things that they aren't
 interested in.

 Tom




  On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi,
 
   On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:42 AM, Tom Ehlert t...@drivesnapshot.de
 wrote:
  
   Ability to run Windows 3.1 in 386 enhanced mode.
  
   has been discussed multiple times. conclusion: forget it
 
   Okay, but let's be clear here:
 
   1). It's proprietary, so it's not redistributable.
   2). It's old, so most people don't have (nor want) it.
   3). It used undocumented MS-specific data, so it's fairly hard to be
 compatible.
   4). It's harder (maybe impossible) to run on even semi-modern machines
   due to its own bugs and design limits.
 
   However, that doesn't mean it's totally not worth supporting. In fact,
   I could be wrong (never cared much personally, thus never tested, I
   prefer real DOS, not Win16 GUI apps), but I think DOSBox claims to
   work with Win 3.x (or maybe even Win95). I know for a fact that DR-DOS
   7.03 fully works, but I'm not sure about OpenDOS or EDR-DOS.
   (Obviously those have different licenses, but I know it's not [always]
   totally illegal to reverse engineer or clean-room, esp. when dealing
   with explicit compatibility problems like this.)
 
   Regarding DOS apps themselves, the only real reason to use Win 3.1
   would be for something like multitasking (or maybe some obscure
   drivers??). In that case, it's probably easier to instead just use
   DOSEMU under Linux.
 
   So, summary: it's hard to support but not impossible, but the simple
   answer is to look elsewhere at pre-existing solutions (or similar).
 

 
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

2015-05-19 Thread Tom Ehlert

 My reason for wanting to use Windows 3.1 in  FreeDOS is for some
 very specific apps (yes among them are a couple of bible programs)
 and just having access to some utilities such as Winimage Winzip,
 etc. That said, since 1993 I have always had Compaq DOS/Windows 3.1
 on at least one of my PCs so, I can always fall back to that - just a bit 
 inconvenient.

whatever your reason is: forget it.

this would be a lot of work, and the developers find it more then
'a bit inconvenient' to put much effort in things that they aren't
interested in.

Tom




 On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
  
  On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:42 AM, Tom Ehlert t...@drivesnapshot.de wrote:
 
  Ability to run Windows 3.1 in 386 enhanced mode.
 
  has been discussed multiple times. conclusion: forget it
  
  Okay, but let's be clear here:
  
  1). It's proprietary, so it's not redistributable.
  2). It's old, so most people don't have (nor want) it.
  3). It used undocumented MS-specific data, so it's fairly hard to be 
 compatible.
  4). It's harder (maybe impossible) to run on even semi-modern machines
  due to its own bugs and design limits.
  
  However, that doesn't mean it's totally not worth supporting. In fact,
  I could be wrong (never cared much personally, thus never tested, I
  prefer real DOS, not Win16 GUI apps), but I think DOSBox claims to
  work with Win 3.x (or maybe even Win95). I know for a fact that DR-DOS
  7.03 fully works, but I'm not sure about OpenDOS or EDR-DOS.
  (Obviously those have different licenses, but I know it's not [always]
  totally illegal to reverse engineer or clean-room, esp. when dealing
  with explicit compatibility problems like this.)
  
  Regarding DOS apps themselves, the only real reason to use Win 3.1
  would be for something like multitasking (or maybe some obscure
  drivers??). In that case, it's probably easier to instead just use
  DOSEMU under Linux.
  
  So, summary: it's hard to support but not impossible, but the simple
  answer is to look elsewhere at pre-existing solutions (or similar).
  

 
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

Re: DOS AHCI driver -  My driver is AHCI.SYS. I load it then UIDE followed
by SHCDX86.COM. This is the only configuration that works. BIOS has no
option besides ACHCI,


On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 7:43 AM, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de wrote:


 Hi Mateusz,

 as far as I know, UIDE now supports harddisk and CDROM/DVD/BD
 with IDE and SATA controllers, but not in AHCI mode*. Also, I
 am not aware of any other DOS AHCI driver. What you can do is
 using the BIOS as driver: This is normal for harddisks, but
 only works for CD/DVD when you boot from them (ElTorito mode).

 If your computer has only UEFI without BIOS compatibility, you
 can not use DOS at all anyway. You can still load a module for
 UEFI to add BIOS support, but that is probably too complicated
 for normal users. I would like to know how the status is there.

 I doubt that Jack is interested in GCDROM feedback, as he has
 even made the newest members of the UIDE family closed source.

 Another interesting thing that I have seen earlier in this
 thread is that using a mobile phone as USB serial port modem
 does not work yet, or at least not well. This would be worth
 investigating further. Bret probably could help with USB :-)

 Regards, Eric

 * sometimes you can switch to classic SATA mode in your CMOS
 BIOS setup, but AHCI is faster, as it allows NCQ and other
 things for multi thread friendly I/O, so it is often default.




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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

AHCI


On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Don Flowers donr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Re: DOS AHCI driver -  My driver is AHCI.SYS. I load it then UIDE followed
 by SHCDX86.COM. This is the only configuration that works. BIOS has no
 option besides ACHCI,


 On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 7:43 AM, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de wrote:


 Hi Mateusz,

 as far as I know, UIDE now supports harddisk and CDROM/DVD/BD
 with IDE and SATA controllers, but not in AHCI mode*. Also, I
 am not aware of any other DOS AHCI driver. What you can do is
 using the BIOS as driver: This is normal for harddisks, but
 only works for CD/DVD when you boot from them (ElTorito mode).

 If your computer has only UEFI without BIOS compatibility, you
 can not use DOS at all anyway. You can still load a module for
 UEFI to add BIOS support, but that is probably too complicated
 for normal users. I would like to know how the status is there.

 I doubt that Jack is interested in GCDROM feedback, as he has
 even made the newest members of the UIDE family closed source.

 Another interesting thing that I have seen earlier in this
 thread is that using a mobile phone as USB serial port modem
 does not work yet, or at least not well. This would be worth
 investigating further. Bret probably could help with USB :-)

 Regards, Eric

 * sometimes you can switch to classic SATA mode in your CMOS
 BIOS setup, but AHCI is faster, as it allows NCQ and other
 things for multi thread friendly I/O, so it is often default.




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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

Hi,

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Guillem guilevi2...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've been thinking of dualbooting my Windows PC with FreeDOS,

Why exactly? Although it's not a totally horrible idea, it's very
tedious and a bit technical. Not worth risking anything important. As
I told one guy recently, make sure you backup all important files
first, and even then, only if you have all your Windows DVD recovery
discs (and product key) nearby.

What Windows do you run? WinXP? Win7? With the former, do you run it
atop pre-existing FAT or (incompatible) NTFS? I'm not even sure you
can (properly) resize NTFS at all before Vista (without Linux GParted
or whatever). Also, Vista on up upgraded the boot loader, so it's more
complicated to adjust, hence probably needing third-party EasyBCD.

Native is fun, fast, (sometimes) less buggy, and runs DOS as
originally designed. But these days we also have great alternatives
like DOSEMU or VirtualBox or QEMU. These emulations are much easier to
use and less error-prone, albeit no one solution is 100% perfect (not
even native). If your cpu supports VT-X, you'll probably benefit
greatly from using that (e.g. VBox or KVM or similar) instead of raw
booting, esp. for better accuracy and speed.

The simplest solution (if your PC can boot from USB) is to use RUFUS
to make a bootable jump drive. Heck, you could also use various tools
to make a bootable Linux (presumably with DOSEMU). Even if you're
using an old Pentium 4 (like my old one), you can still boot USB via
PLoP Boot Manager via floppy (or CD or HD).

 and the only things that are preventing me from doing that right now are the 
 fact that USB serial controllers don't work all the way

At best, you're probably just going to have the BIOS detect a USB jump
drive as a fixed disk that can't be unplugged/removed (without
rebooting). Bret Johnson did write some nice UHCI-only drivers, but a
lot of machines don't support that, unfortunately.

 and also that there's apparently no way to use applications that require a 
 sound blaster reliably. Is there any way to make some kind of driver
 that would sit between the application and the actual soundcard (in my case a 
 realtek) and forward what the app is trying to send to the
 soundblaster to the realtek the right way?

Although it's not native and isn't even a real DOS (no actual FreeDOS
being used), the (portable, SDL-based) DOSBox emulator supports a lot
of graphics and soundcards, mostly for old commercial games. But
you'll need a different host OS for it. (Linux? FreeBSD? Kolibri?)
Believe it or not, this is better than even XP's NTVDM for many (but
not all) games.

 I'm talking from a user's point of view here. I have never tried developing 
 anything for DOS so I really don't know about the limitations.

In native DOS? Not sure, not many have tried. Most of us aren't savvy
enough to do something so extremely technical. I mean, one guy did
port SoftMPU (MPU-401 TSR emulator) to DOS, but even that is loosely
based upon DOSBox!   :-)

Like mentioned, there really needed to be a universal API for that
(and some did exist), but it was never popular enough for many to care
hard enough to utilize or fix it. So we have some libs, but nothing
universally useful. Also, lots of old games are hard to find, but they
sometimes do support multiple outputs, even PC speaker. Although even
that isn't always physically available, but it's often better than
nothing!

 Also would FreeDOS actually run on a PC with 8gb of RAM? That's what this one 
 has, but after the previous message in this topic I'm not so sure.

I run it just fine on my 6 GB Lenovo desktop. Of course, due to memory
holes, I only get (roughly) 2.9 GB free, but even that is too much
for some rare software (chokes, dies). But most well-behaved apps
(e.g. DJGPP) either work by default or can be massaged.

Not sure how well it will work if you're running UEFI (CSM?).

 I guess I would also have to figure out networking. I have no way of using 
 Ethernet because of how this house is set up.
 I can either use Wifi or use my phone with USB tethering, which is what I 
 normally do because that PC's network card doesn't work all the way.

This alone is probably the biggest advantage of emulators (e.g. VBox
or QEMU, both of which I've used lately): easy to setup networking.
You know by default that it will work, unlike native, where you can't
be sure of anything!

Granted, you mentioned Windows, but it's exactly Windows that doesn't
support DOS well anymore (if at all). So while it seems crazy to use a
software-only x86 emulator atop Windows on x86, sometimes it really is
better than nothing.

In short: it depends on what you're trying to do, and whether you can
debug your own problems.

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

2015-05-18 Thread Dario Roncone

?!

2015-05-18 17:41 GMT+02:00, Dario Roncone darioronco...@gmail.com:
 Great1!

 2015-05-18 15:33 GMT+02:00, Don Flowers donr...@gmail.com:
 AHCI


 On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Don Flowers donr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Re: DOS AHCI driver -  My driver is AHCI.SYS. I load it then UIDE
 followed
 by SHCDX86.COM. This is the only configuration that works. BIOS has no
 option besides ACHCI,


 On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 7:43 AM, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de wrote:


 Hi Mateusz,

 as far as I know, UIDE now supports harddisk and CDROM/DVD/BD
 with IDE and SATA controllers, but not in AHCI mode*. Also, I
 am not aware of any other DOS AHCI driver. What you can do is
 using the BIOS as driver: This is normal for harddisks, but
 only works for CD/DVD when you boot from them (ElTorito mode).

 If your computer has only UEFI without BIOS compatibility, you
 can not use DOS at all anyway. You can still load a module for
 UEFI to add BIOS support, but that is probably too complicated
 for normal users. I would like to know how the status is there.

 I doubt that Jack is interested in GCDROM feedback, as he has
 even made the newest members of the UIDE family closed source.

 Another interesting thing that I have seen earlier in this
 thread is that using a mobile phone as USB serial port modem
 does not work yet, or at least not well. This would be worth
 investigating further. Bret probably could help with USB :-)

 Regards, Eric

 * sometimes you can switch to classic SATA mode in your CMOS
 BIOS setup, but AHCI is faster, as it allows NCQ and other
 things for multi thread friendly I/O, so it is often default.




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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

2015-05-18 Thread Dario Roncone

Great1!

2015-05-18 15:33 GMT+02:00, Don Flowers donr...@gmail.com:
 AHCI


 On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Don Flowers donr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Re: DOS AHCI driver -  My driver is AHCI.SYS. I load it then UIDE
 followed
 by SHCDX86.COM. This is the only configuration that works. BIOS has no
 option besides ACHCI,


 On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 7:43 AM, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de wrote:


 Hi Mateusz,

 as far as I know, UIDE now supports harddisk and CDROM/DVD/BD
 with IDE and SATA controllers, but not in AHCI mode*. Also, I
 am not aware of any other DOS AHCI driver. What you can do is
 using the BIOS as driver: This is normal for harddisks, but
 only works for CD/DVD when you boot from them (ElTorito mode).

 If your computer has only UEFI without BIOS compatibility, you
 can not use DOS at all anyway. You can still load a module for
 UEFI to add BIOS support, but that is probably too complicated
 for normal users. I would like to know how the status is there.

 I doubt that Jack is interested in GCDROM feedback, as he has
 even made the newest members of the UIDE family closed source.

 Another interesting thing that I have seen earlier in this
 thread is that using a mobile phone as USB serial port modem
 does not work yet, or at least not well. This would be worth
 investigating further. Bret probably could help with USB :-)

 Regards, Eric

 * sometimes you can switch to classic SATA mode in your CMOS
 BIOS setup, but AHCI is faster, as it allows NCQ and other
 things for multi thread friendly I/O, so it is often default.




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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

2015-05-18 Thread Karen Lewellen

lifts hand from back of class
But that is what I seem to be missing about freedos.
I run DOS only, and have no interest in having 8 different operating 
systems on my main desktop to get the job done.
I have a d-link Ethernet card.  The card is very good with a ton of 
drivers, including the one I use for dos.
I have a package called ssh2021b.  this package contains ssh telnet and 
sftp  programs  as well as telnet ones for running in dos.
I use the program for machines higher than 386  to ssh TELNET here 
shellworld,  into the shell I have with the host for my office dreamhost.
Granted, I am not using a  browser directly on my computer,  but this 
of mouse because I cannot. it is because  no one has done a dos build of Lynx 
in a grand while.  Equally elinks needs spider monkey to have the slight 
java  and for some reason I cannot find a recent links for dos.
Browsers not withstanding though, why is it so hard to just do this in 
freedos?
took me ten minutes to do the setup i have for networking.
I may hunt the wifi card  below, if it is suitable for a laptop.
Sorry if this seems innocent, but what is the challenge?
Karen


On Mon, 18 May 2015, Mateusz Viste wrote:

 About networking -- have you looked at the wiki article?

 http://www.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Networking_FreeDOS

 It contains already quite a lot of informations, on many aspects of the
 DOS networking world.

 Mateusz




 On 18/05/2015 10:52, Don Flowers wrote:
 I have a HP Elite 8000 with 12gb RAM, I use XOSL to boot Kubuntu 14.04,
 Windows 7, Compaq DOS 5.0, MS-DOS 7.10 and FreeDOS. When running Compaq
 DOS and/or MS-DOS 7.10, I use the native HIMEM and Windows 3.1 runs fine
 in enhanced mode; on FreeDOS even standard mode seems buggy, so it is
 not necessarily a RAM issue but seems to be (IMHO) some kind of  kernel
 incompatibility.

 As for Wi-Fi, I got it to work on a Compaq Armada 1750 using a Proxim
 (Orinoco Gold 802.11b  PCMCIA card (using WPA), but when we switched to
 Xfinity service the WPA setup was not compatible with our other wireless
 devices.

 I personally would like to see an updated step-by-step how to on a wired
 home network setup for FreeDOS.

 On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com
 mailto:rugx...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Guillem guilevi2...@gmail.com
 mailto:guilevi2...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've been thinking of dualbooting my Windows PC with FreeDOS,

 Why exactly? Although it's not a totally horrible idea, it's very
 tedious and a bit technical. Not worth risking anything important. As
 I told one guy recently, make sure you backup all important files
 first, and even then, only if you have all your Windows DVD recovery
 discs (and product key) nearby.

 What Windows do you run? WinXP? Win7? With the former, do you run it
 atop pre-existing FAT or (incompatible) NTFS? I'm not even sure you
 can (properly) resize NTFS at all before Vista (without Linux GParted
 or whatever). Also, Vista on up upgraded the boot loader, so it's more
 complicated to adjust, hence probably needing third-party EasyBCD.

 Native is fun, fast, (sometimes) less buggy, and runs DOS as
 originally designed. But these days we also have great alternatives
 like DOSEMU or VirtualBox or QEMU. These emulations are much easier to
 use and less error-prone, albeit no one solution is 100% perfect (not
 even native). If your cpu supports VT-X, you'll probably benefit
 greatly from using that (e.g. VBox or KVM or similar) instead of raw
 booting, esp. for better accuracy and speed.

 The simplest solution (if your PC can boot from USB) is to use RUFUS
 to make a bootable jump drive. Heck, you could also use various tools
 to make a bootable Linux (presumably with DOSEMU). Even if you're
 using an old Pentium 4 (like my old one), you can still boot USB via
 PLoP Boot Manager via floppy (or CD or HD).

 and the only things that are preventing me from doing that right now 
 are the fact that USB serial controllers don't work all the way

 At best, you're probably just going to have the BIOS detect a USB jump
 drive as a fixed disk that can't be unplugged/removed (without
 rebooting). Bret Johnson did write some nice UHCI-only drivers, but a
 lot of machines don't support that, unfortunately.

 and also that there's apparently no way to use applications that 
 require a sound blaster reliably. Is there any way to make some kind of 
 driver
 that would sit between the application and the actual soundcard (in my 
 case a realtek) and forward what the app is trying to send to the
 soundblaster to the realtek the right way?

 Although it's not native and isn't even a real DOS (no actual FreeDOS
 being used), the (portable, SDL-based) DOSBox emulator supports a lot
 of graphics and soundcards, mostly for old commercial games. But
 you'll need a

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

Karen, I also use the D-Link card (PCMCIA) in my home and it is an
outstanding card for DOS/FreeDOS, I get the desire to maintain a pure DOS
machine (I have one desktop and two laptops that are DOS only). Have you
tried DIllodos (the lasted build not the one in the FreeDOS repo)? Using
that, I can access the HTML GMAIL, I can verrry slowly browse ebay (but
cannot buy or watch an item), I can search for DOS stuff and download it to
my FreeDOS download folder.  FreeDOS's internet limitations are not
necessarily on the FreeDOS end but rather on the end of the evolution of
web security.


On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net
wrote:

 lifts hand from back of class
 But that is what I seem to be missing about freedos.
 I run DOS only, and have no interest in having 8 different operating
 systems on my main desktop to get the job done.
 I have a d-link Ethernet card.  The card is very good with a ton of
 drivers, including the one I use for dos.
 I have a package called ssh2021b.  this package contains ssh telnet and
 sftp  programs  as well as telnet ones for running in dos.
 I use the program for machines higher than 386  to ssh TELNET here
 shellworld,  into the shell I have with the host for my office dreamhost.
 Granted, I am not using a  browser directly on my computer,  but this
 of mouse because I cannot. it is because  no one has done a dos build of
 Lynx
 in a grand while.  Equally elinks needs spider monkey to have the slight
 java  and for some reason I cannot find a recent links for dos.
 Browsers not withstanding though, why is it so hard to just do this in
 freedos?
 took me ten minutes to do the setup i have for networking.
 I may hunt the wifi card  below, if it is suitable for a laptop.
 Sorry if this seems innocent, but what is the challenge?
 Karen


 On Mon, 18 May 2015, Mateusz Viste wrote:

  About networking -- have you looked at the wiki article?
 
  http://www.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Networking_FreeDOS
 
  It contains already quite a lot of informations, on many aspects of the
  DOS networking world.
 
  Mateusz
 
 
 
 
  On 18/05/2015 10:52, Don Flowers wrote:
  I have a HP Elite 8000 with 12gb RAM, I use XOSL to boot Kubuntu 14.04,
  Windows 7, Compaq DOS 5.0, MS-DOS 7.10 and FreeDOS. When running Compaq
  DOS and/or MS-DOS 7.10, I use the native HIMEM and Windows 3.1 runs fine
  in enhanced mode; on FreeDOS even standard mode seems buggy, so it is
  not necessarily a RAM issue but seems to be (IMHO) some kind of  kernel
  incompatibility.
 
  As for Wi-Fi, I got it to work on a Compaq Armada 1750 using a Proxim
  (Orinoco Gold 802.11b  PCMCIA card (using WPA), but when we switched to
  Xfinity service the WPA setup was not compatible with our other wireless
  devices.
 
  I personally would like to see an updated step-by-step how to on a wired
  home network setup for FreeDOS.
 
  On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com
  mailto:rugx...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Guillem guilevi2...@gmail.com
  mailto:guilevi2...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I've been thinking of dualbooting my Windows PC with FreeDOS,
 
  Why exactly? Although it's not a totally horrible idea, it's very
  tedious and a bit technical. Not worth risking anything important.
 As
  I told one guy recently, make sure you backup all important files
  first, and even then, only if you have all your Windows DVD recovery
  discs (and product key) nearby.
 
  What Windows do you run? WinXP? Win7? With the former, do you run it
  atop pre-existing FAT or (incompatible) NTFS? I'm not even sure you
  can (properly) resize NTFS at all before Vista (without Linux
 GParted
  or whatever). Also, Vista on up upgraded the boot loader, so it's
 more
  complicated to adjust, hence probably needing third-party EasyBCD.
 
  Native is fun, fast, (sometimes) less buggy, and runs DOS as
  originally designed. But these days we also have great alternatives
  like DOSEMU or VirtualBox or QEMU. These emulations are much easier
 to
  use and less error-prone, albeit no one solution is 100% perfect
 (not
  even native). If your cpu supports VT-X, you'll probably benefit
  greatly from using that (e.g. VBox or KVM or similar) instead of raw
  booting, esp. for better accuracy and speed.
 
  The simplest solution (if your PC can boot from USB) is to use RUFUS
  to make a bootable jump drive. Heck, you could also use various
 tools
  to make a bootable Linux (presumably with DOSEMU). Even if you're
  using an old Pentium 4 (like my old one), you can still boot USB via
  PLoP Boot Manager via floppy (or CD or HD).
 
  and the only things that are preventing me from doing that right
 now are the fact that USB serial controllers don't work all the way
 
  At best, you're probably just going to have the BIOS detect a USB
 jump
  drive as a fixed disk

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

Try these links
https://code.google.com/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/downloads/detail?name=DILLODOS-302b.zipcan=2q=

http://freedos.10956.n7.nabble.com/New-release-of-the-Dillo-web-browser-for-DOS-td19097.html

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net
wrote:

Hi Don,
no on that browser where Might I find it? I think I looked at the freedos
edition and it did not suit compared to what my ssh telnet options
present.
Now if I could find a wireless d-link card sigh.
I do not understand what web security has to do with Dos, or browsers that
pose no threat.
The very nature of a low graphic environment suggests disinterest on the
part of those who create bugs that do graphical harm.
I am too boring a user for them to care about my machine smiles.
Thanks for the suggestion,
Kare

On Mon, 18 May 2015, Don Flowers wrote:

Karen, I also use the D-Link card (PCMCIA) in my home and it is an
outstanding card for DOS/FreeDOS, I get the desire to maintain a pure DOS
machine (I have one desktop and two laptops that are DOS only). Have you
tried DIllodos (the lasted build not the one in the FreeDOS repo)? Using
that, I can access the HTML GMAIL, I can verrry slowly browse ebay (but
cannot buy or watch an item), I can search for DOS stuff and download it
to
my FreeDOS download folder. FreeDOS's internet limitations are not
necessarily on the FreeDOS end but rather on the end of the evolution of
web security.

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Karen Lewellen
klewel...@shellworld.net
wrote:

lifts hand from back of class
But that is what I seem to be missing about freedos.
I run DOS only, and have no interest in having 8 different operating
systems on my main desktop to get the job done.
I have a d-link Ethernet card. The card is very good with a ton of
drivers, including the one I use for dos.
I have a package called ssh2021b. this package contains ssh telnet and
sftp programs as well as telnet ones for running in dos.
I use the program for machines higher than 386 to ssh TELNET here
shellworld, into the shell I have with the host for my office
dreamhost.
Granted, I am not using a browser directly on my computer, but this
of mouse because I cannot. it is because no one has done a dos build of
Lynx
in a grand while. Equally elinks needs spider monkey to have the slight
java and for some reason I cannot find a recent links for dos.
Browsers not withstanding though, why is it so hard to just do this in
freedos?
took me ten minutes to do the setup i have for networking.
I may hunt the wifi card below, if it is suitable for a laptop.
Sorry if this seems innocent, but what is the challenge?
Karen

On Mon, 18 May 2015, Mateusz Viste wrote:

About networking -- have you looked at the wiki article?

http://www.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Networking_FreeDOS

It contains already quite a lot of informations, on many aspects of the
DOS networking world.

Mateusz

On 18/05/2015 10:52, Don Flowers wrote:
I have a HP Elite 8000 with 12gb RAM, I use XOSL to boot Kubuntu
14.04,
Windows 7, Compaq DOS 5.0, MS-DOS 7.10 and FreeDOS. When running
Compaq
DOS and/or MS-DOS 7.10, I use the native HIMEM and Windows 3.1 runs
fine
in enhanced mode; on FreeDOS even standard mode seems buggy, so it is
not necessarily a RAM issue but seems to be (IMHO) some kind of
kernel
incompatibility.

As for Wi-Fi, I got it to work on a Compaq Armada 1750 using a Proxim
(Orinoco Gold 802.11b PCMCIA card (using WPA), but when we switched
to
Xfinity service the WPA setup was not compatible with our other
wireless
devices.

I personally would like to see an updated step-by-step how to on a
wired
home network setup for FreeDOS.

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com
mailto:rugx...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Guillem guilevi2...@gmail.com
mailto:guilevi2...@gmail.com wrote:

I've been thinking of dualbooting my Windows PC with FreeDOS,

Why exactly? Although it's not a totally horrible idea, it's very
tedious and a bit technical. Not worth risking anything important.
As
I told one guy recently, make sure you backup all important files
first, and even then, only if you have all your Windows DVD
recovery
discs (and product key) nearby.

What Windows do you run? WinXP? Win7? With the former, do you run
it
atop pre-existing FAT or (incompatible) NTFS? I'm not even sure
you
can (properly) resize NTFS at all before Vista (without Linux
GParted
or whatever). Also, Vista on up upgraded the boot loader, so it's
more
complicated to adjust, hence probably needing third-party EasyBCD.

Native is fun, fast, (sometimes) less buggy, and runs DOS as
originally designed. But these days we also have great
alternatives

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

2015-05-18 Thread Karen Lewellen

Hi Don,
no on that browser where Might I find it?  I think I looked at the freedos 
edition and it did not suit compared  to what my ssh telnet options present.
Now if I could find a wireless d-link card sigh.
I do not understand what web security has to do with Dos, or browsers that 
pose no threat.
The very nature of a low graphic environment suggests disinterest on the 
part of those who create bugs that do graphical harm.
I am too boring a user for them to care about my machine smiles.
Thanks for the suggestion,
Kare


On Mon, 18 May 2015, Don Flowers wrote:

 Karen, I also use the D-Link card (PCMCIA) in my home and it is an
 outstanding card for DOS/FreeDOS, I get the desire to maintain a pure DOS
 machine (I have one desktop and two laptops that are DOS only). Have you
 tried DIllodos (the lasted build not the one in the FreeDOS repo)? Using
 that, I can access the HTML GMAIL, I can verrry slowly browse ebay (but
 cannot buy or watch an item), I can search for DOS stuff and download it to
 my FreeDOS download folder.  FreeDOS's internet limitations are not
 necessarily on the FreeDOS end but rather on the end of the evolution of
 web security.


 On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net
 wrote:

 lifts hand from back of class
 But that is what I seem to be missing about freedos.
 I run DOS only, and have no interest in having 8 different operating
 systems on my main desktop to get the job done.
 I have a d-link Ethernet card.  The card is very good with a ton of
 drivers, including the one I use for dos.
 I have a package called ssh2021b.  this package contains ssh telnet and
 sftp  programs  as well as telnet ones for running in dos.
 I use the program for machines higher than 386  to ssh TELNET here
 shellworld,  into the shell I have with the host for my office dreamhost.
 Granted, I am not using a  browser directly on my computer,  but this
 of mouse because I cannot. it is because  no one has done a dos build of
 Lynx
 in a grand while.  Equally elinks needs spider monkey to have the slight
 java  and for some reason I cannot find a recent links for dos.
 Browsers not withstanding though, why is it so hard to just do this in
 freedos?
 took me ten minutes to do the setup i have for networking.
 I may hunt the wifi card  below, if it is suitable for a laptop.
 Sorry if this seems innocent, but what is the challenge?
 Karen


 On Mon, 18 May 2015, Mateusz Viste wrote:

 About networking -- have you looked at the wiki article?

 http://www.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Networking_FreeDOS

 It contains already quite a lot of informations, on many aspects of the
 DOS networking world.

 Mateusz




 On 18/05/2015 10:52, Don Flowers wrote:
 I have a HP Elite 8000 with 12gb RAM, I use XOSL to boot Kubuntu 14.04,
 Windows 7, Compaq DOS 5.0, MS-DOS 7.10 and FreeDOS. When running Compaq
 DOS and/or MS-DOS 7.10, I use the native HIMEM and Windows 3.1 runs fine
 in enhanced mode; on FreeDOS even standard mode seems buggy, so it is
 not necessarily a RAM issue but seems to be (IMHO) some kind of  kernel
 incompatibility.

 As for Wi-Fi, I got it to work on a Compaq Armada 1750 using a Proxim
 (Orinoco Gold 802.11b  PCMCIA card (using WPA), but when we switched to
 Xfinity service the WPA setup was not compatible with our other wireless
 devices.

 I personally would like to see an updated step-by-step how to on a wired
 home network setup for FreeDOS.

 On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com
 mailto:rugx...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Guillem guilevi2...@gmail.com
 mailto:guilevi2...@gmail.com wrote:
   
I've been thinking of dualbooting my Windows PC with FreeDOS,

 Why exactly? Although it's not a totally horrible idea, it's very
 tedious and a bit technical. Not worth risking anything important.
 As
 I told one guy recently, make sure you backup all important files
 first, and even then, only if you have all your Windows DVD recovery
 discs (and product key) nearby.

 What Windows do you run? WinXP? Win7? With the former, do you run it
 atop pre-existing FAT or (incompatible) NTFS? I'm not even sure you
 can (properly) resize NTFS at all before Vista (without Linux
 GParted
 or whatever). Also, Vista on up upgraded the boot loader, so it's
 more
 complicated to adjust, hence probably needing third-party EasyBCD.

 Native is fun, fast, (sometimes) less buggy, and runs DOS as
 originally designed. But these days we also have great alternatives
 like DOSEMU or VirtualBox or QEMU. These emulations are much easier
 to
 use and less error-prone, albeit no one solution is 100% perfect
 (not
 even native). If your cpu supports VT-X, you'll probably benefit
 greatly from using that (e.g. VBox or KVM or similar) instead of raw
 booting, esp. for better accuracy and speed.

 The simplest solution (if your PC can boot from USB) is to use RUFUS

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

2015-05-18 Thread Karen Lewellen

got it, thanks.

On Mon, 18 May 2015, Don Flowers wrote:

Try these links
https://code.google.com/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/downloads/detail?name=DILLODOS-302b.zipcan=2q=

http://freedos.10956.n7.nabble.com/New-release-of-the-Dillo-web-browser-for-DOS-td19097.html

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net
wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2015, Don Flowers wrote:

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Karen Lewellen
klewel...@shellworld.net
wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2015, Mateusz Viste wrote:

About networking -- have you looked at the wiki article?

http://www.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Networking_FreeDOS

It contains already quite a lot of informations, on many aspects of the
DOS networking world.

Mateusz

I personally would like to see an updated step-by-step how to on a
wired
home network setup for FreeDOS.

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com
mailto:rugx...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Guillem guilevi2...@gmail.com
mailto:guilevi2...@gmail.com wrote:

I've been thinking of dualbooting my Windows PC with FreeDOS,

Native is fun, fast, (sometimes) less buggy, and runs DOS as
originally designed. But these days we also have great
alternatives
like DOSEMU or VirtualBox or QEMU.

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

Hi,

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Don Flowers donr...@gmail.com wrote:

 The wiki article is good as far as it goes, I collected all the pieces of
 the networking puzzle mentioned in the article, but can't seem to assemble
 them correctly. My currebn method of file transfer is via USB, and I am
 experiencing quite a bit of data corruption.

USB jump drive? Between what, different host OSes or different
computers? I'm pretty sure USB jump drives aren't infallible, not to
mention the fact that they are slow (and thus need to be cached, which
I think Windows does by default, hence why they usually need to be
ejected first). But you don't use Windows, so I'm not sure what you're
saying.

All I'm saying is that I think hotplugging is not universally
supported (even 100% of modern OSes: e.g. Linux maybe, FreeBSD maybe
not), and you probably shouldn't just unplug the device willy-nilly
unless its file cache has been manually flushed. So you might get data
corruption if you're not careful to eject manually first.

I'm not sure that's what you meant or if that's your problem, but just FYI.

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My USB method is between the  various Computers and also between Kubuntu
and FreeDOS. I was not aware of the data corruption risk from unplugging
the device, although I should have known Thanks for the tip.

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 8:24 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Don Flowers donr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  The wiki article is good as far as it goes, I collected all the pieces of
  the networking puzzle mentioned in the article, but can't seem to
 assemble
  them correctly. My currebn method of file transfer is via USB, and I am
  experiencing quite a bit of data corruption.

 USB jump drive? Between what, different host OSes or different
 computers? I'm pretty sure USB jump drives aren't infallible, not to
 mention the fact that they are slow (and thus need to be cached, which
 I think Windows does by default, hence why they usually need to be
 ejected first). But you don't use Windows, so I'm not sure what you're
 saying.

 All I'm saying is that I think hotplugging is not universally
 supported (even 100% of modern OSes: e.g. Linux maybe, FreeBSD maybe
 not), and you probably shouldn't just unplug the device willy-nilly
 unless its file cache has been manually flushed. So you might get data
 corruption if you're not careful to eject manually first.

 I'm not sure that's what you meant or if that's your problem, but just FYI.


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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

Hi,

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Karen Lewellen
klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:

 Granted, I am not using a  browser directly on my computer,  but this
 of mouse because I cannot. it is because  no one has done a dos build of Lynx
 in a grand while.

Juan Manuel Guerrero did a DJGPP build (not necessarily heavily tested
nor lots of new code written) for Lynx a few months ago. It's on the
mirrors. I know I posted a message here about it. I thought you'd have
noticed that. I haven't tried it personally, and it sounds somewhat
complicated to use (download this, set that), but it does exist. But I
wouldn't pin any huge hopes on it doing everything you want by
default.

 Equally elinks needs spider monkey to have the slight
 java  and for some reason I cannot find a recent links for dos.

I'm not aware of any Javascript support in DOS. Which is bad because
some things (e.g. Google Groups) now require it.

But indeed there is a Links2 port to DOS (thanks to Mikulas). I
mentioned that on the mailing list too, and I mirrored it to iBiblio
for us. This I have (somewhat limited) used, esp. under QEMU or VBox
(where I actually have a working packet driver). Even -g (graphical)
works. He's done a test build very recently that attempts to fix some
things (I guess??), but I haven't tried it.

 Browsers not withstanding though, why is it so hard to just do this in 
 freedos?

No developers, no testers, very disorganized (well, FreeDOS is
organized quite nicely, thanks to Jim Hall, but overall the DOS
ecosystem is chaotic). And that's with free tools, a free kernel, and
well-documented interfaces. It's considered old, dead, obsolete, and
nobody cares anymore. Blame them, not us! We're too few in number to
do anything major.

 took me ten minutes to do the setup i have for networking.
 I may hunt the wifi card  below, if it is suitable for a laptop.
 Sorry if this seems innocent, but what is the challenge?

It's a complicated world, always fighting to replace (or break)
pre-existing things, so no, it's never easy. Plus people (even
so-called friends) can't even get along. It's a mess. Sorry for
cynicism, pessimism, it's just frustrating trying to not fail when
everything is against you.

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

Hi,

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:42 AM, Tom Ehlert t...@drivesnapshot.de wrote:

 Ability to run Windows 3.1 in 386 enhanced mode.

 has been discussed multiple times. conclusion: forget it

Okay, but let's be clear here:

1). It's proprietary, so it's not redistributable.
2). It's old, so most people don't have (nor want) it.
3). It used undocumented MS-specific data, so it's fairly hard to be compatible.
4). It's harder (maybe impossible) to run on even semi-modern machines
due to its own bugs and design limits.

However, that doesn't mean it's totally not worth supporting. In fact,
I could be wrong (never cared much personally, thus never tested, I
prefer real DOS, not Win16 GUI apps), but I think DOSBox claims to
work with Win 3.x (or maybe even Win95). I know for a fact that DR-DOS
7.03 fully works, but I'm not sure about OpenDOS or EDR-DOS.
(Obviously those have different licenses, but I know it's not [always]
totally illegal to reverse engineer or clean-room, esp. when dealing
with explicit compatibility problems like this.)

Regarding DOS apps themselves, the only real reason to use Win 3.1
would be for something like multitasking (or maybe some obscure
drivers??). In that case, it's probably easier to instead just use
DOSEMU under Linux.

So, summary: it's hard to support but not impossible, but the simple
answer is to look elsewhere at pre-existing solutions (or similar).

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

My reason for wanting to use Windows 3.1 in  FreeDOS is for some very
specific apps (yes among them are a couple of bible programs) and just
having access to some utilities such as Winimage Winzip, etc. That said,
since 1993 I have always had Compaq DOS/Windows 3.1 on at least one of my
PCs so, I can always fall back to that - just a bit inconvenient.

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:42 AM, Tom Ehlert t...@drivesnapshot.de wrote:
 
  Ability to run Windows 3.1 in 386 enhanced mode.
 
  has been discussed multiple times. conclusion: forget it

 Okay, but let's be clear here:

 1). It's proprietary, so it's not redistributable.
 2). It's old, so most people don't have (nor want) it.
 3). It used undocumented MS-specific data, so it's fairly hard to be
 compatible.
 4). It's harder (maybe impossible) to run on even semi-modern machines
 due to its own bugs and design limits.

 However, that doesn't mean it's totally not worth supporting. In fact,
 I could be wrong (never cared much personally, thus never tested, I
 prefer real DOS, not Win16 GUI apps), but I think DOSBox claims to
 work with Win 3.x (or maybe even Win95). I know for a fact that DR-DOS
 7.03 fully works, but I'm not sure about OpenDOS or EDR-DOS.
 (Obviously those have different licenses, but I know it's not [always]
 totally illegal to reverse engineer or clean-room, esp. when dealing
 with explicit compatibility problems like this.)

 Regarding DOS apps themselves, the only real reason to use Win 3.1
 would be for something like multitasking (or maybe some obscure
 drivers??). In that case, it's probably easier to instead just use
 DOSEMU under Linux.

 So, summary: it's hard to support but not impossible, but the simple
 answer is to look elsewhere at pre-existing solutions (or similar).


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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

Hi,

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 5:45 AM, Don Flowers donr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sorry Mateusz,- I assumed this was well-known.
 I have an Acer Aspire E5-571 laptop which has a quirky BIOS - the IDE
 emulation option is specific to the hard drive only and not the CD/DVD
 drive. I had though that the GCDROM drive was supposed to enable a SATA
 drive, but it didn't and  I actually gave up on installing FreeDOS and then
 stumbled on the Intel SATA driver which combined with the UIDE driver
 enables the CD/DVD drive for a FreeDOS install and installing other
 programs.

I don't know what to tell you. It's just not well-supported here. We
(very loosely speaking) don't have enough volunteers nor developers.
It's basically just blind guesswork, chasing ghosts. People just don't
care enough to test or try or do anything. I'm sorry, but it's hard
not to be extremely pessimistic.

BTW, did you (also) try XGCDROM? I can't promise it will work, and
I've never used it at all, but you could (also) try that. Yeah, so
many solutions that may or may not work. Sorry!

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/cdrom/xcdrom/xgcdrom24.zip

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

2015-05-18 Thread Guillem

I’ve been thinking of dualbooting my Windows PC with FreeDOS, and the only 
things that are preventing me from doing that right now are the fact that USB 
serial controllers don’t work all the way, and also that there’s apparently no 
way to use applications that require a sound blaster reliably. Is there any way 
to make some kind of driver that would sit between the application and the 
actual soundcard (in my case a realtek) and forward what the app is trying to 
send to the soundblaster to the realtek the right way?
I’m talking from a user’s point of view here. I have never tried developing 
anything for DOS so I really don’t know about the limitations.
Also would FreeDOS actually run on a PC with 8gb of RAM? That’s what this one 
has, but after the previous message in this topic I’m not so sure.
I guess I would also have to figure out networking. I have no way of using 
Ethernet because of how this house is set up. I can either use Wifi or use my 
phone with USB tethering, which is what I normally do because that PC’s network 
card doesn’t work all the way.

 On 18 May 2015, at 05:18, Dario Roncone darioronco...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Wow..( That´s not twitter..)
 
 32Bit Kernel for Free-DOS ?  Does it exist? It looks like  NASA
 
 2015-05-17 23:28 GMT+02:00, James E Lang j...@lang.hm:
 Me thinks Dario speaks with tongue planted firmly in cheek. Ho ho ho,
 LOLROF,  :-D
 
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 -Original Message-
 From: Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de
 To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS.
 freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
 Sent: Sun, 17 May 2015 14:01
 Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist
 
 
 Dario,
 
 Intel core DUO2 T6570@2,1Ghz 2,1Ghz  RAM 2GB SO-DIMM S-ATA2 HDD 320Gb ?
 
 Windows 7 Ultimate vers. 6.1.7601Satellite Pro Series.. Toshiba.
 
 It´s great! Sorry!
 
 well, what are you trying to tell us with all those
 VERY short mails, that you add to much longer other
 mails? Please write in a way that can be understood,
 this is not Twitter but actual email here... ;-)
 
 Do you mean that your computer has 2 GB RAM and you
 want to use the 386enh mode of Windows 3 on that?
 In that case, I have to disappoint you: Windows 3.1
 supports at most 256 MB RAM in the default config.
 
 By changing several system.ini settings, you reduce
 the risk for conflicts about EMS, UMB and disk I/O,
 which could already be a problem above 64 MB RAM.
 The settings below are for the [386Enh] section:
 
 VirtualHDIrq=OFF
 32BitDiskAccess=OFF
 SystemRomBreakpoint=OFF
 EMMExclude=A000-EFFF
 
 ... remove the device=vshare.386 line as well ...
 
 NoEmmDriver=ON
 DMABufferSize=128
 PageOverCommit=1
 WinExclusive=1
 XlatBufferSize=128
 PageBuffers=32
 MaxBPs=768
 FileSysChange=OFF
 
 The reduced overcommit allows Windows to use more
 than 256 MB RAM, by disabling large swap pondering.
 Just having an actually small swap is not enough.
 
 The above is from recommendations for deskwork, a
 Windows style GUI for DOS with some deskwork-specific
 software and a distinctive star trek TNG style look.
 
 That also suggests in win.ini, in the [windows] part:
 DefaultQueueSize=16 (for improved speed).
 
 Cheers, Eric
 
 PS: Even with the settings above, Win 3.1 crashes if
 it notices that you actually have more than 1 GB RAM.
 It may be possible to hide the rest via HIMEM options.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

Hi Guillem,

On 18/05/2015 08:16, Guillem wrote:
 (...) the only things that are preventing me from doing that right now are 
 the fact that USB serial controllers don’t work all the way (...)

So Better/wider USB support. Already on the list.

 Is there any way to make some kind of driver that would sit between the 
 application and the actual soundcard (in my case a realtek) and forward what 
 the app is trying to send to the soundblaster to the realtek the right way?

Yes and no. Yes, because that's possible in theory - but it requires to 
capture ports on which usually the SB card sits, and this requires to 
put the CPU in v86 mode (hence EMM386 is mandatory). And not everyone is 
a fan of v86, or EMM386. Secondly, even though it is possible this way, 
it will work only for realmode applications (since v86 mode is an 
emulation of a 8086...), so it's quite limited anyway.

Ultimately, SB is a standard that is tied to hardware, so it will die 
sooner or later. The long-term solution here would be to have a 
universal sound API, and that's all what VESA/AI is about. And drivers 
that provide an VESA/AI API for various cards are a possibility that is 
technically sound (but it would work only for new apps, or old apps that 
are extended with VESA/AI support). As for your legacy apps that are 
requiring a strict SB card, I fear there's no solution.

 Also would FreeDOS actually run on a PC with 8gb of RAM? That’s what this one 
 has, but after the previous message in this topic I’m not so sure.

Sure it would. Of course it won't use the 8GB, but it doesn't need to 
either. The limitation you saw in the other thread are windows 
limitations, not FreeDOS.

 I guess I would also have to figure out networking. I have no way of using 
 Ethernet because of how this house is set up. I can either use Wifi or use my 
 phone with USB tethering,

If this is a non-mobile computer, then I can only recommend getting a 
small cheap Access Point and configure it in client mode, so your DOS PC 
would have standard ethernet connectivity, while the AP will do all the 
boring and complicated wifi stuff. That's what I do, and it works very 
well for me.

The alternative is to find an old wifi card that has a packet driver for 
DOS and a configuration tool that allows to set the whole wifi mess.. 
but, well, good luck with that :) (on the other hand, if you do find 
such card, I'd be really interested in knowing the exact brand/model and 
associated drivers).

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

About networking -- have you looked at the wiki article?

http://www.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Networking_FreeDOS

It contains already quite a lot of informations, on many aspects of the 
DOS networking world.

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On 18/05/2015 10:52, Don Flowers wrote:
 I have a HP Elite 8000 with 12gb RAM, I use XOSL to boot Kubuntu 14.04,
 Windows 7, Compaq DOS 5.0, MS-DOS 7.10 and FreeDOS. When running Compaq
 DOS and/or MS-DOS 7.10, I use the native HIMEM and Windows 3.1 runs fine
 in enhanced mode; on FreeDOS even standard mode seems buggy, so it is
 not necessarily a RAM issue but seems to be (IMHO) some kind of  kernel
 incompatibility.

 As for Wi-Fi, I got it to work on a Compaq Armada 1750 using a Proxim
 (Orinoco Gold 802.11b  PCMCIA card (using WPA), but when we switched to
 Xfinity service the WPA setup was not compatible with our other wireless
 devices.

 I personally would like to see an updated step-by-step how to on a wired
 home network setup for FreeDOS.

 On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com
 mailto:rugx...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Guillem guilevi2...@gmail.com
 mailto:guilevi2...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I've been thinking of dualbooting my Windows PC with FreeDOS,

 Why exactly? Although it's not a totally horrible idea, it's very
 tedious and a bit technical. Not worth risking anything important. As
 I told one guy recently, make sure you backup all important files
 first, and even then, only if you have all your Windows DVD recovery
 discs (and product key) nearby.

 What Windows do you run? WinXP? Win7? With the former, do you run it
 atop pre-existing FAT or (incompatible) NTFS? I'm not even sure you
 can (properly) resize NTFS at all before Vista (without Linux GParted
 or whatever). Also, Vista on up upgraded the boot loader, so it's more
 complicated to adjust, hence probably needing third-party EasyBCD.

 Native is fun, fast, (sometimes) less buggy, and runs DOS as
 originally designed. But these days we also have great alternatives
 like DOSEMU or VirtualBox or QEMU. These emulations are much easier to
 use and less error-prone, albeit no one solution is 100% perfect (not
 even native). If your cpu supports VT-X, you'll probably benefit
 greatly from using that (e.g. VBox or KVM or similar) instead of raw
 booting, esp. for better accuracy and speed.

 The simplest solution (if your PC can boot from USB) is to use RUFUS
 to make a bootable jump drive. Heck, you could also use various tools
 to make a bootable Linux (presumably with DOSEMU). Even if you're
 using an old Pentium 4 (like my old one), you can still boot USB via
 PLoP Boot Manager via floppy (or CD or HD).

  and the only things that are preventing me from doing that right now 
 are the fact that USB serial controllers don't work all the way

 At best, you're probably just going to have the BIOS detect a USB jump
 drive as a fixed disk that can't be unplugged/removed (without
 rebooting). Bret Johnson did write some nice UHCI-only drivers, but a
 lot of machines don't support that, unfortunately.

  and also that there's apparently no way to use applications that 
 require a sound blaster reliably. Is there any way to make some kind of driver
  that would sit between the application and the actual soundcard (in my 
 case a realtek) and forward what the app is trying to send to the
  soundblaster to the realtek the right way?

 Although it's not native and isn't even a real DOS (no actual FreeDOS
 being used), the (portable, SDL-based) DOSBox emulator supports a lot
 of graphics and soundcards, mostly for old commercial games. But
 you'll need a different host OS for it. (Linux? FreeBSD? Kolibri?)
 Believe it or not, this is better than even XP's NTVDM for many (but
 not all) games.

  I'm talking from a user's point of view here. I have never tried 
 developing anything for DOS so I really don't know about the limitations.

 In native DOS? Not sure, not many have tried. Most of us aren't savvy
 enough to do something so extremely technical. I mean, one guy did
 port SoftMPU (MPU-401 TSR emulator) to DOS, but even that is loosely
 based upon DOSBox!   :-)

 Like mentioned, there really needed to be a universal API for that
 (and some did exist), but it was never popular enough for many to care
 hard enough to utilize or fix it. So we have some libs, but nothing
 universally useful. Also, lots of old games are hard to find, but they
 sometimes do support multiple outputs, even PC speaker. Although even
 that isn't always physically available, but it's often better than
 nothing!

  Also would FreeDOS actually run on a PC with 8gb of RAM? That's what 
 this one has, but after the previous message in this topic I'm not so sure.

 I run it just fine on my 6

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

I have a HP Elite 8000 with 12gb RAM, I use XOSL to boot Kubuntu 14.04,
Windows 7, Compaq DOS 5.0, MS-DOS 7.10 and FreeDOS. When running Compaq DOS
and/or MS-DOS 7.10, I use the native HIMEM and Windows 3.1 runs fine in
enhanced mode; on FreeDOS even standard mode seems buggy, so it is not
necessarily a RAM issue but seems to be (IMHO) some kind of  kernel
incompatibility.

As for Wi-Fi, I got it to work on a Compaq Armada 1750 using a Proxim
(Orinoco Gold 802.11b  PCMCIA card (using WPA), but when we switched to
Xfinity service the WPA setup was not compatible with our other wireless
devices.

I personally would like to see an updated step-by-step how to on a wired
home network setup for FreeDOS.

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Guillem guilevi2...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I've been thinking of dualbooting my Windows PC with FreeDOS,

 Why exactly? Although it's not a totally horrible idea, it's very
 tedious and a bit technical. Not worth risking anything important. As
 I told one guy recently, make sure you backup all important files
 first, and even then, only if you have all your Windows DVD recovery
 discs (and product key) nearby.

 What Windows do you run? WinXP? Win7? With the former, do you run it
 atop pre-existing FAT or (incompatible) NTFS? I'm not even sure you
 can (properly) resize NTFS at all before Vista (without Linux GParted
 or whatever). Also, Vista on up upgraded the boot loader, so it's more
 complicated to adjust, hence probably needing third-party EasyBCD.

 Native is fun, fast, (sometimes) less buggy, and runs DOS as
 originally designed. But these days we also have great alternatives
 like DOSEMU or VirtualBox or QEMU. These emulations are much easier to
 use and less error-prone, albeit no one solution is 100% perfect (not
 even native). If your cpu supports VT-X, you'll probably benefit
 greatly from using that (e.g. VBox or KVM or similar) instead of raw
 booting, esp. for better accuracy and speed.

 The simplest solution (if your PC can boot from USB) is to use RUFUS
 to make a bootable jump drive. Heck, you could also use various tools
 to make a bootable Linux (presumably with DOSEMU). Even if you're
 using an old Pentium 4 (like my old one), you can still boot USB via
 PLoP Boot Manager via floppy (or CD or HD).

  and the only things that are preventing me from doing that right now are
 the fact that USB serial controllers don't work all the way

 At best, you're probably just going to have the BIOS detect a USB jump
 drive as a fixed disk that can't be unplugged/removed (without
 rebooting). Bret Johnson did write some nice UHCI-only drivers, but a
 lot of machines don't support that, unfortunately.

  and also that there's apparently no way to use applications that require
 a sound blaster reliably. Is there any way to make some kind of driver
  that would sit between the application and the actual soundcard (in my
 case a realtek) and forward what the app is trying to send to the
  soundblaster to the realtek the right way?

 Although it's not native and isn't even a real DOS (no actual FreeDOS
 being used), the (portable, SDL-based) DOSBox emulator supports a lot
 of graphics and soundcards, mostly for old commercial games. But
 you'll need a different host OS for it. (Linux? FreeBSD? Kolibri?)
 Believe it or not, this is better than even XP's NTVDM for many (but
 not all) games.

  I'm talking from a user's point of view here. I have never tried
 developing anything for DOS so I really don't know about the limitations.

 In native DOS? Not sure, not many have tried. Most of us aren't savvy
 enough to do something so extremely technical. I mean, one guy did
 port SoftMPU (MPU-401 TSR emulator) to DOS, but even that is loosely
 based upon DOSBox!   :-)

 Like mentioned, there really needed to be a universal API for that
 (and some did exist), but it was never popular enough for many to care
 hard enough to utilize or fix it. So we have some libs, but nothing
 universally useful. Also, lots of old games are hard to find, but they
 sometimes do support multiple outputs, even PC speaker. Although even
 that isn't always physically available, but it's often better than
 nothing!

  Also would FreeDOS actually run on a PC with 8gb of RAM? That's what
 this one has, but after the previous message in this topic I'm not so sure.

 I run it just fine on my 6 GB Lenovo desktop. Of course, due to memory
 holes, I only get (roughly) 2.9 GB free, but even that is too much
 for some rare software (chokes, dies). But most well-behaved apps
 (e.g. DJGPP) either work by default or can be massaged.

 Not sure how well it will work if you're running UEFI (CSM?).

  I guess I would also have to figure out networking. I have no way of
 using Ethernet because of how this house is set up.
  I can either use Wifi or use my phone with USB tethering, which is what
 I normally do because that PC's network card doesn't work

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

The wiki article is good as far as it goes, I collected all the pieces of
the networking puzzle mentioned in the article, but can't seem to assemble
them correctly. My currebn method of file transfer is via USB, and I am
experiencing quite a bit of data corruption.

I have 3 desktops (one full time FreeDOS)  and one other connection
available for my laptop PCMCIA. All machines are connected and setup
individually, but  I am lost on the final client/host configuration.

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr wrote:

 About networking -- have you looked at the wiki article?

 http://www.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Networking_FreeDOS

 It contains already quite a lot of informations, on many aspects of the
 DOS networking world.

 Mateusz




 On 18/05/2015 10:52, Don Flowers wrote:
  I have a HP Elite 8000 with 12gb RAM, I use XOSL to boot Kubuntu 14.04,
  Windows 7, Compaq DOS 5.0, MS-DOS 7.10 and FreeDOS. When running Compaq
  DOS and/or MS-DOS 7.10, I use the native HIMEM and Windows 3.1 runs fine
  in enhanced mode; on FreeDOS even standard mode seems buggy, so it is
  not necessarily a RAM issue but seems to be (IMHO) some kind of  kernel
  incompatibility.
 
  As for Wi-Fi, I got it to work on a Compaq Armada 1750 using a Proxim
  (Orinoco Gold 802.11b  PCMCIA card (using WPA), but when we switched to
  Xfinity service the WPA setup was not compatible with our other wireless
  devices.
 
  I personally would like to see an updated step-by-step how to on a wired
  home network setup for FreeDOS.
 
  On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com
  mailto:rugx...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Guillem guilevi2...@gmail.com
  mailto:guilevi2...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   I've been thinking of dualbooting my Windows PC with FreeDOS,
 
  Why exactly? Although it's not a totally horrible idea, it's very
  tedious and a bit technical. Not worth risking anything important. As
  I told one guy recently, make sure you backup all important files
  first, and even then, only if you have all your Windows DVD recovery
  discs (and product key) nearby.
 
  What Windows do you run? WinXP? Win7? With the former, do you run it
  atop pre-existing FAT or (incompatible) NTFS? I'm not even sure you
  can (properly) resize NTFS at all before Vista (without Linux GParted
  or whatever). Also, Vista on up upgraded the boot loader, so it's
 more
  complicated to adjust, hence probably needing third-party EasyBCD.
 
  Native is fun, fast, (sometimes) less buggy, and runs DOS as
  originally designed. But these days we also have great alternatives
  like DOSEMU or VirtualBox or QEMU. These emulations are much easier
 to
  use and less error-prone, albeit no one solution is 100% perfect (not
  even native). If your cpu supports VT-X, you'll probably benefit
  greatly from using that (e.g. VBox or KVM or similar) instead of raw
  booting, esp. for better accuracy and speed.
 
  The simplest solution (if your PC can boot from USB) is to use RUFUS
  to make a bootable jump drive. Heck, you could also use various tools
  to make a bootable Linux (presumably with DOSEMU). Even if you're
  using an old Pentium 4 (like my old one), you can still boot USB via
  PLoP Boot Manager via floppy (or CD or HD).
 
   and the only things that are preventing me from doing that right
 now are the fact that USB serial controllers don't work all the way
 
  At best, you're probably just going to have the BIOS detect a USB
 jump
  drive as a fixed disk that can't be unplugged/removed (without
  rebooting). Bret Johnson did write some nice UHCI-only drivers, but a
  lot of machines don't support that, unfortunately.
 
   and also that there's apparently no way to use applications that
 require a sound blaster reliably. Is there any way to make some kind of
 driver
   that would sit between the application and the actual soundcard
 (in my case a realtek) and forward what the app is trying to send to the
   soundblaster to the realtek the right way?
 
  Although it's not native and isn't even a real DOS (no actual FreeDOS
  being used), the (portable, SDL-based) DOSBox emulator supports a lot
  of graphics and soundcards, mostly for old commercial games. But
  you'll need a different host OS for it. (Linux? FreeBSD? Kolibri?)
  Believe it or not, this is better than even XP's NTVDM for many (but
  not all) games.
 
   I'm talking from a user's point of view here. I have never tried
 developing anything for DOS so I really don't know about the limitations.
 
  In native DOS? Not sure, not many have tried. Most of us aren't savvy
  enough to do something so extremely technical. I mean, one guy did
  port SoftMPU (MPU-401 TSR emulator) to DOS, but even that is loosely
  based upon DOSBox!   :-)
 
  Like

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

For the wish list has the AHCI/SATA issue been mentioned? I have an Acer
which will not access CDROM using GCDROM or any thing else in the FreeDOS
repo, but works only  with the intel SATA driver first followed by UIDE.

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 5:45 AM, Don Flowers donr...@gmail.com wrote:

 The wiki article is good as far as it goes, I collected all the pieces of
 the networking puzzle mentioned in the article, but can't seem to assemble
 them correctly. My currebn method of file transfer is via USB, and I am
 experiencing quite a bit of data corruption.

 I have 3 desktops (one full time FreeDOS)  and one other connection
 available for my laptop PCMCIA. All machines are connected and setup
 individually, but  I am lost on the final client/host configuration.

 On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr wrote:

 About networking -- have you looked at the wiki article?

 http://www.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Networking_FreeDOS

 It contains already quite a lot of informations, on many aspects of the
 DOS networking world.

 Mateusz




 On 18/05/2015 10:52, Don Flowers wrote:
  I have a HP Elite 8000 with 12gb RAM, I use XOSL to boot Kubuntu 14.04,
  Windows 7, Compaq DOS 5.0, MS-DOS 7.10 and FreeDOS. When running Compaq
  DOS and/or MS-DOS 7.10, I use the native HIMEM and Windows 3.1 runs fine
  in enhanced mode; on FreeDOS even standard mode seems buggy, so it is
  not necessarily a RAM issue but seems to be (IMHO) some kind of  kernel
  incompatibility.
 
  As for Wi-Fi, I got it to work on a Compaq Armada 1750 using a Proxim
  (Orinoco Gold 802.11b  PCMCIA card (using WPA), but when we switched to
  Xfinity service the WPA setup was not compatible with our other wireless
  devices.
 
  I personally would like to see an updated step-by-step how to on a wired
  home network setup for FreeDOS.
 
  On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com
  mailto:rugx...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Guillem guilevi2...@gmail.com
  mailto:guilevi2...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   I've been thinking of dualbooting my Windows PC with FreeDOS,
 
  Why exactly? Although it's not a totally horrible idea, it's very
  tedious and a bit technical. Not worth risking anything important.
 As
  I told one guy recently, make sure you backup all important files
  first, and even then, only if you have all your Windows DVD recovery
  discs (and product key) nearby.
 
  What Windows do you run? WinXP? Win7? With the former, do you run it
  atop pre-existing FAT or (incompatible) NTFS? I'm not even sure you
  can (properly) resize NTFS at all before Vista (without Linux
 GParted
  or whatever). Also, Vista on up upgraded the boot loader, so it's
 more
  complicated to adjust, hence probably needing third-party EasyBCD.
 
  Native is fun, fast, (sometimes) less buggy, and runs DOS as
  originally designed. But these days we also have great alternatives
  like DOSEMU or VirtualBox or QEMU. These emulations are much easier
 to
  use and less error-prone, albeit no one solution is 100% perfect
 (not
  even native). If your cpu supports VT-X, you'll probably benefit
  greatly from using that (e.g. VBox or KVM or similar) instead of raw
  booting, esp. for better accuracy and speed.
 
  The simplest solution (if your PC can boot from USB) is to use RUFUS
  to make a bootable jump drive. Heck, you could also use various
 tools
  to make a bootable Linux (presumably with DOSEMU). Even if you're
  using an old Pentium 4 (like my old one), you can still boot USB via
  PLoP Boot Manager via floppy (or CD or HD).
 
   and the only things that are preventing me from doing that right
 now are the fact that USB serial controllers don't work all the way
 
  At best, you're probably just going to have the BIOS detect a USB
 jump
  drive as a fixed disk that can't be unplugged/removed (without
  rebooting). Bret Johnson did write some nice UHCI-only drivers, but
 a
  lot of machines don't support that, unfortunately.
 
   and also that there's apparently no way to use applications that
 require a sound blaster reliably. Is there any way to make some kind of
 driver
   that would sit between the application and the actual soundcard
 (in my case a realtek) and forward what the app is trying to send to the
   soundblaster to the realtek the right way?
 
  Although it's not native and isn't even a real DOS (no actual
 FreeDOS
  being used), the (portable, SDL-based) DOSBox emulator supports a
 lot
  of graphics and soundcards, mostly for old commercial games. But
  you'll need a different host OS for it. (Linux? FreeBSD? Kolibri?)
  Believe it or not, this is better than even XP's NTVDM for many (but
  not all) games.
 
   I'm talking from a user's point of view here. I have never tried
 developing anything for DOS so I really

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

2015-05-18 Thread Tom Ehlert

 Ability to run Windows 3.1 in 386 enhanced mode.
has been discussed multiple times. conclusion: forget it

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Sorry, I don't think I have followed this AHCI/SATA issue - do you have 
any reference? An URL to a past mailing list message, or a bug report on 
sourceforge?

Will add it to the wishlist, I just need some reference to attach it to, 
since it doesn't sound self-explanatory as you worded it.

Mateusz



On 18/05/2015 11:51, Don Flowers wrote:
 For the wish list has the AHCI/SATA issue been mentioned? I have an Acer
 which will not access CDROM using GCDROM or any thing else in the
 FreeDOS repo, but works only  with the intel SATA driver first followed
 by UIDE.

 On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 5:45 AM, Don Flowers donr...@gmail.com
 mailto:donr...@gmail.com wrote:

 The wiki article is good as far as it goes, I collected all the
 pieces of the networking puzzle mentioned in the article, but can't
 seem to assemble them correctly. My currebn method of file transfer
 is via USB, and I am experiencing quite a bit of data corruption.

 I have 3 desktops (one full time FreeDOS)  and one other connection
 available for my laptop PCMCIA. All machines are connected and setup
 individually, but  I am lost on the final client/host configuration.

 On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr
 mailto:mate...@viste.fr wrote:

 About networking -- have you looked at the wiki article?

 http://www.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Networking_FreeDOS

 It contains already quite a lot of informations, on many aspects
 of the
 DOS networking world.

 Mateusz




 On 18/05/2015 10:52, Don Flowers wrote:
  I have a HP Elite 8000 with 12gb RAM, I use XOSL to boot Kubuntu 
 14.04,
  Windows 7, Compaq DOS 5.0, MS-DOS 7.10 and FreeDOS. When running 
 Compaq
  DOS and/or MS-DOS 7.10, I use the native HIMEM and Windows 3.1 runs 
 fine
  in enhanced mode; on FreeDOS even standard mode seems buggy, so it 
 is
  not necessarily a RAM issue but seems to be (IMHO) some kind of  
 kernel
  incompatibility.
 
  As for Wi-Fi, I got it to work on a Compaq Armada 1750 using a 
 Proxim
  (Orinoco Gold 802.11b  PCMCIA card (using WPA), but when we 
 switched to
  Xfinity service the WPA setup was not compatible with our other 
 wireless
  devices.
 
  I personally would like to see an updated step-by-step how to on a 
 wired
  home network setup for FreeDOS.
 
  On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com 
 mailto:rugx...@gmail.com
  mailto:rugx...@gmail.com mailto:rugx...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Guillem guilevi2...@gmail.com 
 mailto:guilevi2...@gmail.com
   mailto:guilevi2...@gmail.com
 mailto:guilevi2...@gmail.com wrote:
   
I've been thinking of dualbooting my Windows PC with
 FreeDOS,
  
   Why exactly? Although it's not a totally horrible idea,
 it's very
   tedious and a bit technical. Not worth risking anything
 important. As
   I told one guy recently, make sure you backup all
 important files
   first, and even then, only if you have all your Windows
 DVD recovery
   discs (and product key) nearby.
  
   What Windows do you run? WinXP? Win7? With the former, do
 you run it
   atop pre-existing FAT or (incompatible) NTFS? I'm not
 even sure you
   can (properly) resize NTFS at all before Vista (without
 Linux GParted
   or whatever). Also, Vista on up upgraded the boot loader,
 so it's more
   complicated to adjust, hence probably needing third-party
 EasyBCD.
  
   Native is fun, fast, (sometimes) less buggy, and runs DOS as
   originally designed. But these days we also have great
 alternatives
   like DOSEMU or VirtualBox or QEMU. These emulations are
 much easier to
   use and less error-prone, albeit no one solution is 100%
 perfect (not
   even native). If your cpu supports VT-X, you'll probably
 benefit
   greatly from using that (e.g. VBox or KVM or similar)
 instead of raw
   booting, esp. for better accuracy and speed.
  
   The simplest solution (if your PC can boot from USB) is
 to use RUFUS
   to make a bootable jump drive. Heck, you could also use
 various tools
   to make a bootable Linux (presumably with DOSEMU). Even
 if you're
   using an old Pentium 4 (like my old one), you can still
 boot USB via
   PLoP Boot Manager via floppy (or CD or HD).
  
and the only things that are

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

Sorry Mateusz,- I assumed this was well-known.
I have an Acer Aspire E5-571 laptop which has a quirky BIOS - the IDE
emulation option is specific to the hard drive only and not the CD/DVD
drive. I had though that the GCDROM drive was supposed to enable a SATA
drive, but it didn't and  I actually gave up on installing FreeDOS and then
stumbled on the Intel SATA driver which combined with the UIDE driver
enables the CD/DVD drive for a FreeDOS install and installing other
programs.

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 6:34 AM, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr wrote:

 Sorry, I don't think I have followed this AHCI/SATA issue - do you have
 any reference? An URL to a past mailing list message, or a bug report on
 sourceforge?

 Will add it to the wishlist, I just need some reference to attach it to,
 since it doesn't sound self-explanatory as you worded it.

 Mateusz



 On 18/05/2015 11:51, Don Flowers wrote:
  For the wish list has the AHCI/SATA issue been mentioned? I have an Acer
  which will not access CDROM using GCDROM or any thing else in the
  FreeDOS repo, but works only  with the intel SATA driver first followed
  by UIDE.
 
  On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 5:45 AM, Don Flowers donr...@gmail.com
  mailto:donr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  The wiki article is good as far as it goes, I collected all the
  pieces of the networking puzzle mentioned in the article, but can't
  seem to assemble them correctly. My currebn method of file transfer
  is via USB, and I am experiencing quite a bit of data corruption.
 
  I have 3 desktops (one full time FreeDOS)  and one other connection
  available for my laptop PCMCIA. All machines are connected and setup
  individually, but  I am lost on the final client/host configuration.
 
  On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr
  mailto:mate...@viste.fr wrote:
 
  About networking -- have you looked at the wiki article?
 
  http://www.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Networking_FreeDOS
 
  It contains already quite a lot of informations, on many aspects
  of the
  DOS networking world.
 
  Mateusz
 
 
 
 
  On 18/05/2015 10:52, Don Flowers wrote:
   I have a HP Elite 8000 with 12gb RAM, I use XOSL to boot
 Kubuntu 14.04,
   Windows 7, Compaq DOS 5.0, MS-DOS 7.10 and FreeDOS. When
 running Compaq
   DOS and/or MS-DOS 7.10, I use the native HIMEM and Windows 3.1
 runs fine
   in enhanced mode; on FreeDOS even standard mode seems buggy,
 so it is
   not necessarily a RAM issue but seems to be (IMHO) some kind
 of  kernel
   incompatibility.
  
   As for Wi-Fi, I got it to work on a Compaq Armada 1750 using a
 Proxim
   (Orinoco Gold 802.11b  PCMCIA card (using WPA), but when we
 switched to
   Xfinity service the WPA setup was not compatible with our
 other wireless
   devices.
  
   I personally would like to see an updated step-by-step how to
 on a wired
   home network setup for FreeDOS.
  
   On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com
 mailto:rugx...@gmail.com
   mailto:rugx...@gmail.com mailto:rugx...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   Hi,
  
   On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Guillem 
 guilevi2...@gmail.com mailto:guilevi2...@gmail.com
mailto:guilevi2...@gmail.com
  mailto:guilevi2...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've been thinking of dualbooting my Windows PC with
  FreeDOS,
   
Why exactly? Although it's not a totally horrible idea,
  it's very
tedious and a bit technical. Not worth risking anything
  important. As
I told one guy recently, make sure you backup all
  important files
first, and even then, only if you have all your Windows
  DVD recovery
discs (and product key) nearby.
   
What Windows do you run? WinXP? Win7? With the former, do
  you run it
atop pre-existing FAT or (incompatible) NTFS? I'm not
  even sure you
can (properly) resize NTFS at all before Vista (without
  Linux GParted
or whatever). Also, Vista on up upgraded the boot loader,
  so it's more
complicated to adjust, hence probably needing third-party
  EasyBCD.
   
Native is fun, fast, (sometimes) less buggy, and runs DOS
 as
originally designed. But these days we also have great
  alternatives
like DOSEMU or VirtualBox or QEMU. These emulations are
  much easier to
use and less error-prone, albeit no one solution is 100%
  perfect (not
even native). If your cpu supports VT-X, you'll probably
  benefit

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

Okay, I understand.

Have you wrote about this to Jack? He might be still interested in 
GCDROM feedback, and it could be an interesting case for him perhaps.

However, the problem is larger I think anyway - today you are unable to 
set your CD controller to legacy IDE mode, but tomorrow it might just as 
well be about your HDD drive, which would make FreeDOS worthless on such 
machine. I'll add this to the wishlist, too.

Thanks for the clarification.

Mateusz




On 18/05/2015 12:45, Don Flowers wrote:
 Sorry Mateusz,- I assumed this was well-known.
 I have an Acer Aspire E5-571 laptop which has a quirky BIOS - the IDE
 emulation option is specific to the hard drive only and not the CD/DVD
 drive. I had though that the GCDROM drive was supposed to enable a SATA
 drive, but it didn't and  I actually gave up on installing FreeDOS and
 then stumbled on the Intel SATA driver which combined with the UIDE
 driver enables the CD/DVD drive for a FreeDOS install and installing
 other programs.

 On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 6:34 AM, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr
 mailto:mate...@viste.fr wrote:

 Sorry, I don't think I have followed this AHCI/SATA issue - do you have
 any reference? An URL to a past mailing list message, or a bug report on
 sourceforge?

 Will add it to the wishlist, I just need some reference to attach it to,
 since it doesn't sound self-explanatory as you worded it.

 Mateusz



 On 18/05/2015 11:51, Don Flowers wrote:
  For the wish list has the AHCI/SATA issue been mentioned? I have an Acer
  which will not access CDROM using GCDROM or any thing else in the
  FreeDOS repo, but works only  with the intel SATA driver first followed
  by UIDE.
 
  On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 5:45 AM, Don Flowers donr...@gmail.com 
 mailto:donr...@gmail.com
  mailto:donr...@gmail.com mailto:donr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  The wiki article is good as far as it goes, I collected all the
  pieces of the networking puzzle mentioned in the article, but can't
  seem to assemble them correctly. My currebn method of file transfer
  is via USB, and I am experiencing quite a bit of data corruption.
 
  I have 3 desktops (one full time FreeDOS)  and one other connection
  available for my laptop PCMCIA. All machines are connected and setup
  individually, but  I am lost on the final client/host configuration.
 
  On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr 
 mailto:mate...@viste.fr
  mailto:mate...@viste.fr mailto:mate...@viste.fr wrote:
 
  About networking -- have you looked at the wiki article?
 
 http://www.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Networking_FreeDOS
 
  It contains already quite a lot of informations, on many aspects
  of the
  DOS networking world.
 
  Mateusz
 
 
 
 
  On 18/05/2015 10:52, Don Flowers wrote:
   I have a HP Elite 8000 with 12gb RAM, I use XOSL to boot 
 Kubuntu 14.04,
   Windows 7, Compaq DOS 5.0, MS-DOS 7.10 and FreeDOS. When 
 running Compaq
   DOS and/or MS-DOS 7.10, I use the native HIMEM and Windows 
 3.1 runs fine
   in enhanced mode; on FreeDOS even standard mode seems buggy, 
 so it is
   not necessarily a RAM issue but seems to be (IMHO) some kind 
 of  kernel
   incompatibility.
  
   As for Wi-Fi, I got it to work on a Compaq Armada 1750 using 
 a Proxim
   (Orinoco Gold 802.11b  PCMCIA card (using WPA), but when we 
 switched to
   Xfinity service the WPA setup was not compatible with our 
 other wireless
   devices.
  
   I personally would like to see an updated step-by-step how to 
 on a wired
   home network setup for FreeDOS.
  
   On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com 
 mailto:rugx...@gmail.com
 mailto:rugx...@gmail.com mailto:rugx...@gmail.com
   mailto:rugx...@gmail.com mailto:rugx...@gmail.com
 mailto:rugx...@gmail.com mailto:rugx...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   Hi,
  
   On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Guillem 
 guilevi2...@gmail.com mailto:guilevi2...@gmail.com
 mailto:guilevi2...@gmail.com mailto:guilevi2...@gmail.com
 mailto:guilevi2...@gmail.com
 mailto:guilevi2...@gmail.com
   mailto:guilevi2...@gmail.com
 mailto:guilevi2...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I've been thinking of dualbooting my Windows PC with
   FreeDOS,

 Why exactly? Although it's not a totally horrible
 idea,
   it's very
 tedious and a bit technical. Not worth risking
 anything
   important. As

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist - soundcards

2015-05-18 Thread Eric Auer


Hi, just a semi-automatic reply for this classic topic ;-)

 Is there any way to make some kind of driver that would sit between
 the application and the actual soundcard (in my case a realtek) and
 forward what the app is trying to send to the soundblaster to the
 realtek the right way?
 
 Yes and no. Yes, because that's possible in theory - but it requires
 to capture ports on which usually the SB card sits, and this requires
 to put the CPU in v86 mode (hence EMM386 is mandatory). And not
 everyone is a fan of v86, or EMM386. Secondly, even though it is
 possible this way, it will work only for realmode applications (since
 v86 mode is an emulation of a 8086...), so it's quite limited
 anyway.

It can also work with EMM386 compatible protected mode software. The
commercial driver of Sound Blaster Live and SB PCI does it that way
and the minimal and unstable open source VSB virtual sound blaster
does the same: It only emulates SB1, not SB16, as far as I remember.
Also, it only outputs the sound to internal beeper or parallel port
D/A converter (Covox) but you could improve it to be SB16 emulation
with AC97 and HDA output, if you are good at hardware programming
and able to port ALSA or OSS drivers for AC97 and HDA. The latter
has been done before for MPXPLAY for DOS, I believe. Just trying to
remind that solving the soundcard issue IS in theory feasible :-)

 Ultimately, SB is a standard that is tied to hardware, so it will
 die sooner or later. The long-term solution here would be to have a 
 universal sound API, and that's all what VESA/AI is about.

A combination of the two would be possible: Make VESA/AI drivers for
modern soundcards and a virtual SB16 which outputs the sound via any
VESA/AI driver, to make old games that only know SB16, no AI, happy.

Games which require SB16 but are not EMM386 compatible will still be
out of luck, but you can run those in entire virtual PC context as
long as that simulates SB16. Think about QEMU, VirtualBox, VMWare,
Bochs and similar. With Linux and Windows as host operating system.

By the way: There recently was a big security hole in the floppy
of several open source virtual PC solutions, please update if you
are using those on servers. Or at least disable the virtual floppy.

Cheers, Eric


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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

2015-05-18 Thread Eric Auer


Hi Mateusz,

as far as I know, UIDE now supports harddisk and CDROM/DVD/BD
with IDE and SATA controllers, but not in AHCI mode*. Also, I
am not aware of any other DOS AHCI driver. What you can do is
using the BIOS as driver: This is normal for harddisks, but
only works for CD/DVD when you boot from them (ElTorito mode).

If your computer has only UEFI without BIOS compatibility, you
can not use DOS at all anyway. You can still load a module for
UEFI to add BIOS support, but that is probably too complicated
for normal users. I would like to know how the status is there.

I doubt that Jack is interested in GCDROM feedback, as he has
even made the newest members of the UIDE family closed source.

Another interesting thing that I have seen earlier in this
thread is that using a mobile phone as USB serial port modem
does not work yet, or at least not well. This would be worth
investigating further. Bret probably could help with USB :-)

Regards, Eric

* sometimes you can switch to classic SATA mode in your CMOS
BIOS setup, but AHCI is faster, as it allows NCQ and other
things for multi thread friendly I/O, so it is often default.



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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

Nooo Thanks!
The usb mass-stoarge driver works for me. There are no problems. And
with savepart.exe
you can Backup your HardDiskDrive With the OS, the configuration of
you OperatingSystem and your programms.

2015-05-17 9:24 GMT+02:00, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr:
 On 17/05/2015 09:05, Don Flowers wrote:
 I would hope that the FCBParseFname bug fix will  be implemented in the
 next kernel.

 You are referring to a specific FreeDOS bug I believe, so its place is
 probably better suited on the FreeDOS bugtracker (is it there?)

 http://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/bugs/

 I have added a mention of the bug tracker to the wishlist though.

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

WiFi?

2015-05-17 11:16 GMT+02:00, Dario Roncone darioronco...@gmail.com:
 Nooo Thanks!
 The usb mass-stoarge driver works for me. There are no problems. And
 with savepart.exe
 you can Backup your HardDiskDrive With the OS, the configuration of
 you OperatingSystem and your programms.

 2015-05-17 9:24 GMT+02:00, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr:
 On 17/05/2015 09:05, Don Flowers wrote:
 I would hope that the FCBParseFname bug fix will  be implemented in the
 next kernel.

 You are referring to a specific FreeDOS bug I believe, so its place is
 probably better suited on the FreeDOS bugtracker (is it there?)

 http://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/bugs/

 I have added a mention of the bug tracker to the wishlist though.

 Mateusz


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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

2015-05-17 Thread Don Flowers

+1 for Windows 3.1 enhanced mode!


On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Micheal Muniko michealmun...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Ability to run Windows 3.1 in 386 enhanced mode.


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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

Wow..( That´s not twitter..)

32Bit Kernel for Free-DOS ?  Does it exist? It looks like  NASA

2015-05-17 23:28 GMT+02:00, James E Lang j...@lang.hm:
 Me thinks Dario speaks with tongue planted firmly in cheek. Ho ho ho,
 LOLROF,  :-D

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 -Original Message-
 From: Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de
 To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS.
 freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
 Sent: Sun, 17 May 2015 14:01
 Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist


 Dario,

 Intel core DUO2 T6570@2,1Ghz 2,1Ghz  RAM 2GB SO-DIMM S-ATA2 HDD 320Gb ?

 Windows 7 Ultimate vers. 6.1.7601Satellite Pro Series.. Toshiba.

 It´s great! Sorry!

 well, what are you trying to tell us with all those
 VERY short mails, that you add to much longer other
 mails? Please write in a way that can be understood,
 this is not Twitter but actual email here... ;-)

 Do you mean that your computer has 2 GB RAM and you
 want to use the 386enh mode of Windows 3 on that?
 In that case, I have to disappoint you: Windows 3.1
 supports at most 256 MB RAM in the default config.

 By changing several system.ini settings, you reduce
 the risk for conflicts about EMS, UMB and disk I/O,
 which could already be a problem above 64 MB RAM.
 The settings below are for the [386Enh] section:

 VirtualHDIrq=OFF
 32BitDiskAccess=OFF
 SystemRomBreakpoint=OFF
 EMMExclude=A000-EFFF

 ... remove the device=vshare.386 line as well ...

 NoEmmDriver=ON
 DMABufferSize=128
 PageOverCommit=1
 WinExclusive=1
 XlatBufferSize=128
 PageBuffers=32
 MaxBPs=768
 FileSysChange=OFF

 The reduced overcommit allows Windows to use more
 than 256 MB RAM, by disabling large swap pondering.
 Just having an actually small swap is not enough.

 The above is from recommendations for deskwork, a
 Windows style GUI for DOS with some deskwork-specific
 software and a distinctive star trek TNG style look.

 That also suggests in win.ini, in the [windows] part:
 DefaultQueueSize=16 (for improved speed).

 Cheers, Eric

 PS: Even with the settings above, Win 3.1 crashes if
 it notices that you actually have more than 1 GB RAM.
 It may be possible to hide the rest via HIMEM options.




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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

2015-05-17 Thread James E Lang

Me thinks Dario speaks with tongue planted firmly in cheek. Ho ho ho, LOLROF,  
:-D 

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-Original Message-
From: Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de
To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. 
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Sun, 17 May 2015 14:01
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

Dario,

 Intel core DUO2 T6570@2,1Ghz 2,1Ghz  RAM 2GB SO-DIMM S-ATA2 HDD 320Gb ?

 Windows 7 Ultimate vers. 6.1.7601Satellite Pro Series.. Toshiba.

 It´s great! Sorry!

well, what are you trying to tell us with all those
VERY short mails, that you add to much longer other
mails? Please write in a way that can be understood,
this is not Twitter but actual email here... ;-)

Do you mean that your computer has 2 GB RAM and you
want to use the 386enh mode of Windows 3 on that?
In that case, I have to disappoint you: Windows 3.1
supports at most 256 MB RAM in the default config.

By changing several system.ini settings, you reduce
the risk for conflicts about EMS, UMB and disk I/O,
which could already be a problem above 64 MB RAM.
The settings below are for the [386Enh] section:

VirtualHDIrq=OFF
32BitDiskAccess=OFF
SystemRomBreakpoint=OFF
EMMExclude=A000-EFFF

... remove the device=vshare.386 line as well ...

NoEmmDriver=ON
DMABufferSize=128
PageOverCommit=1
WinExclusive=1
XlatBufferSize=128
PageBuffers=32
MaxBPs=768
FileSysChange=OFF

The reduced overcommit allows Windows to use more
than 256 MB RAM, by disabling large swap pondering.
Just having an actually small swap is not enough.

The above is from recommendations for deskwork, a
Windows style GUI for DOS with some deskwork-specific
software and a distinctive star trek TNG style look.

That also suggests in win.ini, in the [windows] part:
DefaultQueueSize=16 (for improved speed).

Cheers, Eric

PS: Even with the settings above, Win 3.1 crashes if
it notices that you actually have more than 1 GB RAM.
It may be possible to hide the rest via HIMEM options.

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

Shit!!

2015-05-17 11:35 GMT+02:00, Dario Roncone darioronco...@gmail.com:
 WiFi?

 2015-05-17 11:16 GMT+02:00, Dario Roncone darioronco...@gmail.com:
 Nooo Thanks!
 The usb mass-stoarge driver works for me. There are no problems. And
 with savepart.exe
 you can Backup your HardDiskDrive With the OS, the configuration of
 you OperatingSystem and your programms.

 2015-05-17 9:24 GMT+02:00, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr:
 On 17/05/2015 09:05, Don Flowers wrote:
 I would hope that the FCBParseFname bug fix will  be implemented in the
 next kernel.

 You are referring to a specific FreeDOS bug I believe, so its place is
 probably better suited on the FreeDOS bugtracker (is it there?)

 http://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/bugs/

 I have added a mention of the bug tracker to the wishlist though.

 Mateusz


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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

2015-05-17 Thread Micheal Muniko

Ability to run Windows 3.1 in 386 enhanced mode.

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist

2015-05-17 Thread Eric Auer


Dario,

 Intel core DUO2 T6570@2,1Ghz 2,1Ghz  RAM 2GB SO-DIMM S-ATA2 HDD 320Gb ?
 
 Windows 7 Ultimate vers. 6.1.7601Satellite Pro Series.. Toshiba.
 
 It´s great! Sorry!

well, what are you trying to tell us with all those
VERY short mails, that you add to much longer other
mails? Please write in a way that can be understood,
this is not Twitter but actual email here... ;-)

Do you mean that your computer has 2 GB RAM and you
want to use the 386enh mode of Windows 3 on that?
In that case, I have to disappoint you: Windows 3.1
supports at most 256 MB RAM in the default config.

By changing several system.ini settings, you reduce
the risk for conflicts about EMS, UMB and disk I/O,
which could already be a problem above 64 MB RAM.
The settings below are for the [386Enh] section:

VirtualHDIrq=OFF
32BitDiskAccess=OFF
SystemRomBreakpoint=OFF
EMMExclude=A000-EFFF

... remove the device=vshare.386 line as well ...

NoEmmDriver=ON
DMABufferSize=128
PageOverCommit=1
WinExclusive=1
XlatBufferSize=128
PageBuffers=32
MaxBPs=768
FileSysChange=OFF

The reduced overcommit allows Windows to use more
than 256 MB RAM, by disabling large swap pondering.
Just having an actually small swap is not enough.

The above is from recommendations for deskwork, a
Windows style GUI for DOS with some deskwork-specific
software and a distinctive star trek TNG style look.

That also suggests in win.ini, in the [windows] part:
DefaultQueueSize=16 (for improved speed).

Cheers, Eric

PS: Even with the settings above, Win 3.1 crashes if
it notices that you actually have more than 1 GB RAM.
It may be possible to hide the rest via HIMEM options.




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What is it ?  +1 enhanced mode

FOR ?
What.. c64?

2015-05-17 19:29 GMT+02:00, Don Flowers donr...@gmail.com:
 +1 for Windows 3.1 enhanced mode!


 On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Micheal Muniko michealmun...@gmail.com
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 Ability to run Windows 3.1 in 386 enhanced mode.


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Why this... ?

2015-05-17 18:38 GMT+02:00, Micheal Muniko michealmun...@gmail.com:
 Ability to run Windows 3.1 in 386 enhanced mode.

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