Re: question about memory for my G4
Cheryl writes, I have 384mb of memory on this G4 quicksilver. I'm not too savvy about this tech stuff. How much more memory can I add? I have one empty slot. And which kind should I get? The ones in there now are pc133, one 256mb and one 128mb. I'd like to go to at least 512 or more if possible. Thanks! There's a few kinds of G4 Quicksilver.my G4 Quicksilver 867 is maxed at 1.5 GB of RAM. I have three sticks of 512 MB PC-133. ~Yersinia. Do not disturb. Already disturbed! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: See You Later...
JT writes, H, I assumed that this was a G3, G4 and G5 list. I certainly did not have a problem with any of your posts... Me neither. ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Internet Connect
DKLine writes, My connection keeps timing out after a short time and asks Do you want to stay connected? My ISP says he's never heard of this, so it's got to be in software somewhere. Need advice on this. Thanks DKline Mine doesn't even bother to ask me if I want to stay connected -- it just shuts down and says the connection was terminated by the remote site. My ISP says it's probably line noise and I should call my phone company to do something about it. ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Internet Connect
Bill Connelly writes, It would help list folks if you'd give more of your details ... Mac, Modem, Connection Type, whatever. You're right -- switching order of your reply here to accommodate. Sorry about that. Mac: G4 Quicksilver 867 Modem: 56K internal modem it came with. Connection Type: Dialup Going with the line noise idea ... you might try this or that: If your phone line is running through a power strip, disconnect that idea, and go straight from the phone jack to the modem. This cleared up a DSL speed drop issue I was having. Of course, you're not protected with surges through the phone line ... but I doubt the power strip idea is doing that anyway ... mine didn't help awhile ago with a simple nearby lightning strike. Shorten the distance between your phone jack and the modem. A. There is no power strip for the modem -- a phone wire for the modem runs out the back of the Mac's modem port straight to a splitter into the phone jack on the wall (I have to share this phone jack with the regular non-cordless telephone). B. It's already as close as it can get. There's only one phone jack in this room, and the desk with the computer is next to it. You might also switch the hardwire ethernet ports on your modem. Sometimes one port will lose its umph, and moving your line to another one will correct things. Ummmwhat hardwire ethernet ports on the modem? The only port going out from the modem is a regular telephone jack kind (which, as I said, goes out straight to the phone jack). My Mac has only one ethernet port I know of, and it's connected to a Farallon Ethermac printer adapter. For a few weeks before I lost my job, when I thought I could finally afford better, I had been considering finally upgrading my dialup Internet connection (I've had this same account since 1996) to DSL/getting a combined voice telephone-internet account (higher speed Internet on the same bill and no more tying up the phone when I'm online). I played with an ethernet hub my boyfriend gave me (10 ports -- way more than I'd ever need but OK, I was going to need two ethernet ports, one for a DSL modem and one for my Farallon Ethermac, plus I thought maybe I could also occasionally network in my iBook with a third port), but it didn't work out. I couldn't print from a G4 ethernet port out ---into the hub---into the Farallon---into the printer scheme, and couldn't figure out how to make it work, and I also couldn't figure out how to get the iBook and G4 talking to each other over ethernet. Then when I lost my job and realized I'd be stuck with what I had, I ended up disconnecting the hub and going back to the original G4 ethernet port---Farallon---printer setup and continue to use my flash drives to move data between the G4 and iBook. It may not be ideal and it's certainly archaic, but it works, and it's cheap. I just wish I wouldn't lose my Internet connection when I'm in the middle of typing the reply to an email I just got, or a post on a forum. Anyway, the only ports I'm aware of on my Mac are the modem port (phone jack), one ethernet port (not part of the modem), firewire USB ports. Now if you're going wireless ... move things around ... Nope, no wireless here. Just the aforementioned dialup connection. Thanks. ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Classic after Upgrade to 10.4?
Fabian writes, This is not true. AppleWorks 6 (Version 6.2.9 to be specific) runs happily on my iMac G5 under OS 10.5.5, which does not support Classic at all. Bruce writes, That is flat wrong. AW6 was, like Apple's very first OS X native program, they used it as a showcase of Carbon programming libs. It's a dual program, it'll run under both OS 9 and OS X, but Im running it right now in 10.5 which does not support Classic at all. Ken writes, I have Appleworks 6 running under OS 10.4.11 on an MDD. It is in fact, OS X native and runs whether or not Classic is running. and Clark writes, AW 6 is Carbon and therefore does run native in OS X. Just verified on my (intel) MacBook Pro and OS 10.5.5. Really?! My version of AppleWorks 6 is also 6.2.9 and though I don't recall why I did this (it was probably over a year ago), I remember one time I decided to stay up on Tiger but shut down Classic, and, my two old programs which had been on (i.e., running in the background, in the Dock) -- Claris Emailer and AppleWorks 6 -- both quit when I shut off Classic. ??? :-O ??? I thought that apps which open/run fine in OS 9/earlier or OS X with Classic on, but which don't open at all without Classic on or quit when they're open if you choose Stop Classic were applications which are not OS X native. That's wrong? Yikes, I'll have to try this again, as a consciously done experiment (i.e., shut down Classic) and see what happens to my AppleWorks, plus try to open it with Classic off. I could swear I remembered it (and Claris Emailer) quitting out on me when I stopped Classic that time. ~Yersinia. If you've got a problem that can be solved with money, you don't have a problem. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Thanks, I Stand Corrected about AW 6! (was Re: Classic after Upgrade to 10.4?)
Okay everybody, I just ran my little tests and confirmed that you're all correct (Dan, Bruce, Fabian, Ken, Clark) about AW 6 booting natively in OS X without Classic. Wow, I had no idea, but AW 6 stayed on when I shut down Classic, and booted back up from scratch when I double clicked it in the dock, and I was able to open and read one of my AW 6 files -- by contrast, my Claris Emailer went down when I shut off Classic, and when I tried to reboot it with Classic off, Classic immediately restarted and then Claris Emailer booted. I dunno what I was looking at that one time I thought I saw AW 6 going down when I turned off Classic that other time, but yes, AW 6 doesn't need Classic. :blush: ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Classic after Upgrade to 10.4?
Clark writes, What you described is true, those apps are Classic. But Carbon Apps can run with Classic or native. There is supposed to be a way to make them run in Classic but I don't recall how off hand. Apparently you switched AppleWorks to run in Classic. Try doing a Get Info on the application and see if there is an option to use Classic vs Native. I tried it but found nothing. Yes, Get Info tells me it's for both OS 9 and OS X. OK. The way to tell is what kind of Apple you have on the left side of the menu bar. The old multi-colored Apple means you are running Classic. The blue Apple means you are running Native. OK yeah. I opened an AW 6 file and saw the blue apple, even with Classic on. I had to turn Classic back on after my little experiment because my email program is apparently not Carbonized. And since I'm obviously using my emailer right now, yeah, I see the multicolored apple (and my OS 9 customized menu fonts...gosh I wish I could do that in OS X). Bruce writes, If you started Appleworks from within Classic (for example, via the Apple menu), it's running in OS 9 mode, and will quit if you quit Classic. In OS X go to Applications and double-click on Appleworks it should start right up. H. When I did my little experiment yesterday and shut Classic off, much to my surprise, AW 6's litte on arrow stayed on in the Dock (though my emailer's quit) -- even though I could have sworn that time when I shut Classic off a year or so ago, it had quit. But back to yesterday: Classic still off, AW 6 still rebooted (from the Dock). BUT I don't keep my AW 6 application in the OS X Applications folder. I never did. It's not even on the G4's OS X hard drive. I've been using AW 6 since my total OS 9 days on my old G3 Beige DT -- when I got my G4 Quicksilver (which came with Tiger 10.4.7 installed on its 60 GB HD), I had that OS 9 HD -- which had all my stuff on it -- taken out of the Beige and put in the Quicksilver -- and some of my apps which did, and still live on that HD -- the ones I use a lot -- once up on OS X I put their icons in the Dock for easy access. But the original app files for all my OS 9 (and earlier) applications still live on what was once my Beige's HD. My OS X Applications folder only has the applications which came with OS X, plus the small number of new OS X native apps I got afterwards. Just now I went to look at the original AW 6 application in that HD. I found it and noticed it says AppleWorks 6.app. I find this kind of strange because the .app suffix is something I only know from OS X, but I've had AW 6 for longer than I've had OS X. Well...OK, it's cool -- and I'm glad I found out that AW 6 will run with or without Classic. ~Yersinia. Some mornings it's not worth chewing through the leather straps. -- Emo Phillips --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
G4 Problem Booting OS 9
was actually built for OS 9 (its later expansion packs, which I do have most of, were carbonized for OS X compatibility), and I was playing it in OS 9 exclusively prior to getting OS X. Since getting OS X, I play in Tiger with Classic on, or, occasionally in straight-up OS 9. I never had a problem with it in 9 since getting X until now. I posted this result on the OS 9 list a couple weeks ago, haven't heard anything, but before deciding to bother you guys on the G-List about it, this past weekend I went ahead and did a clean reinstall of 9 (which somehow didn't come with the LaserWriter/300LS driver, so I slipped it in myself.) But that didn't fix it either. In fact, I started having another weird problem -- when I'd option-restart to show the bootable disks/be able to choose my 9 HD, the OS 9 HD *disappeared entirely* -- the option-restart screen only showed the OS X HD. I used to get BOTH my OS X and OS 9 HDs when I did an option-restart, always! So -- do any of you have any idea of what I need to do to get my G4 to boot in OS 9 properly? I'm starting to feel desperate now. Thank you, ~Yersinia. It doesn't take all kinds; we just have all kinds. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Problem Booting OS 9
dc writes, First off, you can't swap a drive from a beige G3 into a G4 an expect it to boot; it won't have the proper drivers/extensions for a G4. It doesn't mean there was anything wrong with the hard drive. You didn't really get a good clean install because your Mac found an old printer you no longer use. The System folder was replaced but other info (like printer preferences) remained. Make sure you have back up copies of all your applications, games, documents, etc. To get a really fresh clean install use your OS X Disk Utility to reformat the 20 GB hard drive using the option write zeroes; make sure to use the option to install OS 9 drivers. Everything on the drive will be erased. Then use your OS 9 CD, it will modify the drivers and install OS 9.2.2 Actually, this nuke and pave the 20 GB HD approach did occur to me, although only as a last resort. However, now that you explain it this way (makes sense) -- as soon as I can get my G4 to spit out that CD/I restore my ability to boot in Tiger, yeah, looks like nuke and pave is really the best way to go, and that's what I'll do. However, I'm not totally clear on this part: Since you have 20 GB to play with you might consider splitting this drive into 2 partitions and installing duplicate OS 9.2.2 systems. When you are in OS X use System Preferences to designate one of them as Classic. OS X will make some alterations, sometimes referred to as 'blessing' the system. Save the other OS 9 as 'unblessed'. Why? Some OS 9 applications will not run in Classic mode and you need to boot into an unblessed system to use them. OK, well, I get MOST of this, i.e., some OS 9 apps require straight-up OS 9 (not Classic mode) -- which is why I always wanted my G4 to be able to boot and run in OS 9. I'm also pretty sure that what you mean by blessed means that you see the little 9 on the OS 9 System Folder, and I do know the System Folder needs to be blessed in order to boot the Mac. Side note -- in my total pre-OS X days (OS 7.5.2 through 9.2.2), I was never able to bless a system folder. I knew you were supposed to option-drag it to the desktop, and I did, but somehow it didn't work for me. Anyway, I know about System Preferences being used to designate which OS 9 system folder to use in order to run Classic, but what I'm not so sure I get is this: If I have a deliberately unblessed OS 9 system folder, how is it going to be able to boot my Mac in OS 9 when I want it to? If the act of choosing a system folder in System Preferences to be used for Classic is what blesses it, why do I need a SECOND unblessed OS 9 system folder (which won't boot since it's unblessed, and won't be used for Classic if I don't select it to be used as such in System Preferences)? Thanks, ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Problem Booting OS 9-problem with printer
mlitwin writes, I am very new to Apple but have you tried the gimp drivers for printers? perhaps this group can tell you if one of them would work. I wanted my G3 and G4 to use the same printer,an Epson stylus Color 880. There was no problem with the G4 but the only driver that worked on the G3,using 10.3.9,was a Gimp driver. I think you are asking about use of a printer? 1. Welcome to our List, and to the (almost) always wonderful world of Mac. :-) 2. Thanks, but no, it's not actually a printer problem I'm having. I mentioned a printer driver issue (which doesn't actually affect my ability to print: my LaserWriter 4/600 PS works very well in OS X) in my description of the problem (an OS 9-on-G4 issue) because I had originally thought an error message I was getting with regards to a driver for the printer I used to use might have been relevant to the cause of my problem, and thought the gurus on the List would find it easier to help me if I gave them complete information/history of what was going on. It's not enough to say My G4 won't boot or run OS 9 because there are frequently a lot of reasons that can cause trouble. Anyhoo, h, while I'm here, time for a status report. Earlier today, dc ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) suggested I nuke and pave my OS 9 HD. I'd quote his/her exact suggestion and reasoning (most of which made excellent sense), except it's on the Powerbook 5300 and I'm now back up on the G4 in Tiger, which is good, but back at Square One (Classic Mode is good in OS X but no bootable OS 9). So, here's the update: 1. Yup, my backups were good to go (with one minor update), so yes, I followed the Disk Utility write zeroes reformat that HD advice precisely. However, since I don't like multi-partitioning my HDs unless it's absolutely necessary (like on my iBook which only has one HD, so I gave that a small OS 9 boot partition), plus, since for two years I was booting and running 9 on this machine from that HD as single partition, I wanted to be able to do it again -- so I didn't follow the part of the suggestion to partition the HD -- I just reformatted it. Yes, I made sure the box was checked for installing OS 9 drivers. 2. On the nice clean HD, I installed OS 9 using the Mac OS 9.2.2 install CD from the pack of CDs I got with my Quicksilver (which would contain G4 drivers, not G3 like from my old Beige and even older other OS 9 install CDs I have). It went mostly OK, i.e., I got a couple of unexpected prompts about it not being able to install Airport stuff, chose the skip option on that because I don't have Airport for my G4 anyway (and if I ever get it, I'll be using it solely on OS X). Maybe I got those prompts during the supposed clean install I thought I did shortly after getting my G4, but I don't remember, so they kind of surprised me. But, other than that, it installed fine. 3. Used the Classic Preferences from Tiger to set this up to run Classic. Yes, I did this way back when (i.e., originally, shortly after getting my G4 as mentioned above), and now I think I know what dc meant when he/she said OS X would make alterations which would bless this system folder -- it told me it had to make an Update, and I clicked to let it. That, I presume, was the blessing. Right? Well, OK, that's what I did. Classic started up fine. However, when I did this way back when, my G4's Option-Restart feature allowed me to choose my OS 9 HD to boot with, and if I chose that drive, it would boot and run in 9 (whining about the old printer driver notwithstanding -- it would whine saying it didn't have the driver, but when I clicked OK, it would proceed to run nicely in 9, until recently when it started freezing up) -- but now when I Option-Restart, it only shows me my OS X HD. Doesn't matter if I do the Option-Restart by holding the Option key down while choosing Restart from the Apple menu or if I do it with the G4's power button. So...like I said, I'm back to Square One: I can't make my Quicksilver boot and run in 9. Any more suggestions, anyone? :sigh: ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Please, G4, Spit out that CD for me...?
Chuck writes, Never heard of the 'mouse power button' = eject. What works for me is 'mouse button' ONLY --- while booting. of course. Yes, that's it -- while the G4 is powered down, hold down the mouse button while simultaneously pushing the power button on the G4. The machine will boot up, but also the optical drive will open, so you can take out the CD (or DVD) which got trapped when the machine malfunctioned. I don't know why it didn't work for me yesterday (needed to get my game CD out of the machine). I was thinking maybe it was my new scroll wheel mouse which I didn't have back in March 2007 when, IIRC, Dana Collins told me to do this, and it worked then), so I temporarily switched back to the Apple Pro Mouse, but it still wouldn't work. So that's why I came screaming for help from the list. LOL. Thankfully Kris Tilford's hold down the shift key suggestion worked -- I was able to boot extensions off in 9, change startup disk back to OS X, get back in Tiger and my game CD out of the machine (the normal way -- keyboard's eject button) so I could use the CD drive for the Mac OS 9 CD. ~Yersinia. If corn oil comes from corn, where does baby oil come from? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Command-option p-r
Ken writes, On older Macs that works. On my MDD (not really very new, but...) the only power key is on the front of the machine. Pointy nose or pencil is a viable tool! OMG, what timing you should mention this! I have yet to zap the PRAM on my G4 Quicksilver 867 (though I was discussing the possibility of maybe having to try it in an offlist email this morning), and this situation with your MDD is precisely what came into my mind, since my Quicksilver also has no power key on the keyboard, only on the front of the machine! I was wondering if it's even physically possible for me to do it on this machine. With my left hand the way it is, I can barely manage, if I position my hands slowly, the command-option-p-r but I need two hands to do it. My nose isn't especially pointy, but maybe it's pointy just enough to work while I somehow lean over and touch it to the Quicksilver's power button. Now the real challenge -- hands full on the keyboard, body twisted over to touch my nose to the power button on the Quicksilver (when I won't be able to tell where my hands are without being able to see, which I won't be able to do, and THEN Hold for three chimes! LOL Gosh, I really and truly hope I don't have to actually try this. Yes, I'm holding back as last resort. Suddenly, nuking and paving AGAIN doesn't sound so bad! ~Yersinia. If Jimmy cracks corn and no one cares, why is there a song about him? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Command-option p-r
Len writes, The good news is that you do not need to hold the power button for the three chimes. You press it once, let go and then wait through three chimes. Should be about 30 seconds of holding command option p-r. The other contortionist option is to move your keyboard next to your Mac and use, for example, your thumb to hold the p and your pinky for the power button. Kris writes, You don't have to hit the Power (Pwr) key WHILE holding the Cmd-Opt-P- R keys, you've got a second or two AFTER the chime to get onto the keys. I normally hit all four keys with my right hand only, the thumb on the Cmd-Opt pair together, the index on the R and the pinky on the P key. I think Paul has a typo above? I think he meant to say Then hit the P and power with my right instead of Then hit the R and power with my right? The reason I like the right hand only approach is the simplicity of moving the finger position to the Cmd-Opt-O-F keys after one of the Cmd-Opt-P-R chimes. The O F are adjacent to the P R keys and it's a relatively simple transition, and again, you've got a second or so AFTER the chime to get your fingers onto these keys. Clark writes, While having the power key on the keyboard certainly simplifies zapping the PRAM it's not like you actually have to hold down Command-Option-P-R while turning on the power. You only need to hit the COPR combo before the chime sounds. I haven't worked on a machine yet that you couldn't hit power then move your hand(s) over to the keyboard and press COPR. In most cases it only takes one hand (if the keyboard has Command and Option on the right side). Len, Kris and Clark, ummm, you guys must not only be really coordinated, but have big hands as well.. ;-) There is no way in hell I could get my hands positioned on the right keys in only a couple of seconds. I just can't move my fingers that quickly anymore, and, my hands are quite small -- for me, performing this operation absolutely requires that I use two hands. Ken writes, I think a pointy nose would be easier than moving the Mac out of the corner, clearing the desk so I can open the case, dropping the side panel and then pulling the battery. LOL! Ken, you took the words right out of my mouth! (And, I don't know offhand where the PRAM battery IS inside this Mac.) I'm going to have to try it with my nose, but at least finding out I don't have to stay contorted/keep my nose mashed on the Quicksilver's power button until I hear the three chimes sounds like a little bit of a help. Which, I guess, brings us to. Bruce writes, Or until boyfriend comes in with the camera :-) To use an ancient aolism: Gif! Gif! Gif! 8-P and on this note, Ken writes again, But that is not nearly as entertaining! ROFLMAO!!! But of course, if my BF were here (he was here for the holiday weekend but went back to NH Sunday afternoon, alas) -- he'd hold down the keys and I'd just push the power button, with my FINGER. :-) But, alas, I actually do have to try it. :-( Another nuke-and-pave/reinstall of OS 9 didn't work. I don't know how or why a PRAM zap should make my G4 boot OS 9 and not instantly freeze, and I honestly think it's voodoo for this, but someone suggested I should try it and I feel that not even trying it is synonymous with not doing everything I could have done. And who knows, maybe if I just move the keyboard over a little bit to the right, I won't have to contort quite so bad. Ah well, OK, off to give it a try. ~Yersinia. Why buy shampoo when real poo is still free? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Problem Booting OS 9
of times on the Beige. I'm sure some link I find at Google will both help me remember why I did that on the Beige, as well as tell me if it has anything to do with an OS 9 freeze situation. This machine is supposed to both run Classic from OS X AND be dual bootable in OS 9 -- the G4 Quicksilver 867 specs say so (I checked again), and I was doing it myself on this very same machine for two freakin' years! There is no reason why this should be happening! :-P (Yeah, I'm getting more than a bit frustrated!) Well, maybe I'll have better news later. ~Yersinia. 299,792,458 m/s...It's more than just a good idea, it's the law. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Command-option p-r
Chuck writes, Because the PRAM-ZAP kills all saved reference to where the hardware system is to look for a 'bootable' system. The poor clueless system is then forced to use it's 'built in' default 'boot from' information. That set of 'default instructions says to find an OS9 system [it will even use a bootable OS9 on an external HD, if that is the first one it finds.]. IF there isn't a OS9 available, I'm fairly certain that it then looks for a OSX system. Well, just remember, you have till the 'Chime' finishes sounding to get your fingers in position and press the wanted keys. 1. OK, that sounds reasonable (although I'm still not fast enough to wait to position my fingers on the keyboard that fast -- I have to be on the whole thing from the beginning!). However, the PRAM zap didn't fix my problem. 2. But anyway, LOL, actually doing the PRAM zap wasn't much worse on the Quicksilver than it had been on my prior Macs which had power keys on the keyboards. In fact, it was a little better than expected. I still needed to use both hands on the keyboard, and I was able to move the keyboard a little closer to the tower so I wouldn't have to be so contorted to get at it with my nose. Learning yesterday that I didn't have to hold down the power button throughout the entire procedure was DEFINITELY a big help! With the Mac shut down, I positioned my fingers on the keyboard, and touched the power button with my nose. As soon as I heard the first chime (almost immediately), I was able to remove my nose from the button and continue to hold down the keys for the remaining two chimes. I didn't time it, but I think the estimated 30 seconds was about right. So, OK, now I know how to zap the PRAM on a G4 Quicksilver 867. :-) (Oh, and Bruce and Ken, if you're reading this, I'm sure it still would have made an entertaining picture... thank goodness nobody was here to take one! LOL!) ~Yersinia. Hi! I'm a shareware signature! Send $5 if you use me, send $10 for manual! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Problem Booting OS 9
Paul writes, Have you tried using Conflict Catcher to set up different boot sets? I don't even have Conflict Catcher, believe it or not. :-) But I do have some good news -- I can boot my G4 in OS 9 now and it doesn't freeze! The Open Firmware trick worked. It was a little strange when it came up, apparently my flash drive (which I'd used this morning but hadn't yet ejected, and kind of forgot about -- OK I'm ejecting now) decided to rebuild the desktop -- I got a dialog box with its name and it was saying it was rebuilding the desktop. I let it do this, then I got the Setup Assistant -- for once, not frozen. I was able to complete this and go on to recustomize my OS 9 in Control Panels etc.. The menus are usable, the folders open, and so on. Now, I have to figure out why in the hell I got The Sims Makin' Magic could not be opened because the TextEncodings cannot be found or whatever prompt. When I can run this game in OS 9 once again, THEN I'll be happy. LOL. About Open Firmware -- In addition to the voodoo (i.e., do it because everything else you tried failed) and how to do it, what I found from Google (a Canadian Mac site) provided what I consider a good explanation as to why I ended up losing OS 9 in the first place. It said, ...when you make a major change to the internals of the computer, such as add new RAM, an upgraded processor, etc., one needs to reset the motherboard. On Old World Macs...one needed to press the CUDA switch to accomplish this task. On New World Macs this is done in the Boot ROM using some commands in Open Firmware. Here are the steps... Now OK, my Quicksilver G4 867 is a New World Mac, but...yeah it has a CUDA button. Now, since the last time I booted in OS 9 successfully, yes, there were hardware changes -- I bought more RAM and what I thought would be a better video card (my G4's RAM is maxed now with 1.5 GB, and the stock NVIDIA GeForce MX3 video card was replaced with a Radeon 9200, which is fine, but ended up not really solving the problem I though it would fix). When my BF installed the RAM and new video card, I did remember to ask him to press the CUDA button and he did, but the idea of resetting the Open Firmware didn't occur to me until TODAY! So OK, I guess CUDA, though it exists on New World Macs, doesn't matter -- what does matter, if I ever have anything else installed in this machine, is to reset the Open Firmware, huh? Whew, but at least I have my 9 back! And, booting into Open Firmware also requires me to use my nose! LOL Thanks to everyone who responded to my pleas of desperation! :-) ~Yersinia. I am not humble. There, I said it. They're MY opinions, dammit, and I mean them. They may be wrong, and they may change, but they're mine! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Problem Booting OS 9
Charles Lenington writes, I hope you remembered to install the os 9 disk drivers on nucleolus after all this frustration. Yeah, I did -- both times! ~Yersinia. Friends don't let friends do Windoze. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: RAM compatibility between G3 and G4
Paul writes, The G3 B/W tower and several early G4 towers all use PC100 memory, but Other World Computing distinguishes between G3 and Yikes on one hand, and AGP and Gigabit on the other. They don't recommend using the same RAM in all of these, and told me that the programming and design of the memory cards are different. Is this something I can adjust with DIMM First Aid? And what about using a pile of old PC100 (or PC133) RAM salvaged from PC's and Macs without knowing exactly where they came from? 1. In my past experience of a few RAM upgrades from my BF's Box O'RAM, if you have RAM sticks of a certain type, i.e., PC-100 SDRAM or PC-133 SDRAM, those RAM sticks will work in any Mac which shipped with that kind of RAM. IMO, OWC problably lists and discusses their RAM that way because most customers aren't going to know what kind the Mac they own needs, and will want to know what kind of RAM will be compatible with my Yikes? (or whichever Mac it is they have). However, if you know what kind of RAM you need, any stick of that type should work in your Mac. Sometimes, you can use a different kind, i.e., it will work, but not as intended. The G3/266 Beige DT I had bought from the Swap List had originally shipped with 32 MB of PC-66 SDRAM (though will support third party low profile RAM sticks), and in the end I had mine maxed out and it worked fine with three sticks of PC-100 SDRAM (for a total of 768 MB). Now the bus speed on a G3 beige is 66 MHz, so the PC-100s I had in there were a bit slowed down on account of that (but still the machine loved that extra RAM), as compared to how they would have worked in, say my BW, which has a 100 MHz bus speed and specifies PC-100 SDRAM. I could put a PC-133 stick in the BW if I wanted to and it would probably work just like putting PC-100 in the Beige did. My G4 Quicksilver (to whom I gave two 512 MB PC-133 SDRAM sticks to max it out) which I bought from OWC, and when I bought them, I went in with PC-133 on my mind, not G4 Quicksilver 867, although I did see G4 Quicksilver on the web page while looking to place the order. The new RAM was wonderful. 2. If you go to a site like www.everymac.com, you can look up the specs on the Mac(s) you want to buy RAM for to find out what kind, as well as how much they shipped with and how much you can max them. If you buy the kind of RAM in the specs, you should be OK. 3. I've never heard of DIMM First Aid. Someone else will need to help you with that. ;-) ~Yersinia. Astronomers say the universe is finite, which is a comforting thought for those people who can't remember where they leave things. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: upgraded to 10.4.11 -old file linkage issue
Del writes, The App came along fine, and files are in a new partition, but of course, the original program still points to a different HD and partition. I am grossly ignorant of such goings on, but hope some of the great minds on this forum know some sensible workaround that I can do, or way to trick them into finding each other again. If you mean when you double click App's icon in the dock: Remove it from the dock, then open App's folder (Applications or wherever you keep it on the new HD) and drag App's icon from THERE back into the dock. ~Yersinia. Some mornings it's not worth chewing through the leather straps. -- Emo Phillips --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
My G4 Has Insomnia
Hi Listers, Time to have more fun with my G4 Quicksilver 867 (Tiger 10.4.9/OS 9.2.2 for Classic) here. I like to put it to sleep when I go to bed at night, and it always did (I'd click the mouse in the morning to wake it up) -- until the last two nights. But yes, there's been a significant change, which I suspect is the cause of the insomnia -- we put a second monitor on it Saturday afternoon, and the insomnia started Saturday night. Back in February, we replaced the stock NVIDIA GeForce MX2 video card with a Radeon 9200, but kept the same monitor (19 Gateway EV910). All was well for a long time, but then I finally had a reason to want TWO monitors running at the same time. This past Saturday, I shut down the G4 and my BF put the NVIDIA card back in so it could run a second monitor (15 NEC MultiSync XV 15+). Yes, I remembered to ask my BF to hit the CUDA button when he put the NVIDIA card in, and then we did a PRAM zap when we rebooted the machine (he held the keys, I pushed the power button on the G4, which BTW is now no longer nose-accessible so I'll never be able to do that myself anymore unless I can do it with the big toe of my right foot!).When the computer is up and I'm using it, it's terrific: both monitors work, the Mac works, yes the second monitor is as helpful as I anticipated, and it's all wonderful. But when I wanted to go to bed Saturday night: I put the Mac to sleep as usual from the Apple menu -- or should I say, I tried to -- it wouldn't go to sleep at all. Tried again -- it went to sleep, but woke back up again within a minute or two. So I then go to Energy Saver -- the settings hadn't changed, but OK, apparently they didn't work for the new setup, so I changed them. Originally, I had it set so just being inactive didn't make the computer sleep at all (Never), but that the screen saver should kick in at 10 mins of inactive time (and the box to put the HDs to sleep when possible was checked). I changed this so the computer should sleep at 1 min inactive (just to see) and the screen saver to 5 mins. It went to sleep but woke up again -- as soon as I had crawled into bed! Well I was really tired and said hell with it. When I got up in the morning, the screen saver was on (which didn't used to be the case). G. OK, so yesterday I mess with the Energy Saver again, I set it to one hour inactive to go to sleep, and screen saver back to 15 mins. At bedtime, I get in bed, and while I'm tired, I'm not tired enough to pass out immediately, and I hear the computer wake up, go back to sleep, wake up again, at about 8 minute intervals (?!??!?!?!) and it's definitely inactive -- I'm in bed and it's on the desk across the room from me (and my BF had gone home, hahaha so he wasn't using it either!). It did that three times before I fell asleep. When I got up this morning, it seemed to be asleep (the monitors were dark, clicking the mouse got me back to my desktop). Well, IMO this is all just weird. Why won't my G4 just go to sleep from the Apple Menu anymore, why does it keep waking up, and what happened to WYSIWYG with the Energy Saver settings? I REALLY liked being able to just put my Mac to sleep at night instead of shutting it down the way I did when I was totally on OS 9is this the price I have to pay for the second monitor? Thanks, ~Yersinia. IMPORTANT: This email is intended for the use of the individual addressee(s) named above and may contain information that is confidential, privileged or unsuitable for overly sensitive persons with low self-esteem, no sense of humor or irrational religious beliefs. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is not authorized (either explicitly or implicitly) and constitutes an irritating social faux pas. No animals were harmed in the transmission of this email, although the mutt next door is living on borrowed time, let me tell you. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Tattle tale????
Jasiu wrote: I once heard of a program similar to Belarc for a PC that tells you everything that is going on in your PPC Mac. I can't seem to remember its name. Anybody have a clue? U...just curious, but can't you get this information from Activity Monitor? If one observes shit congregating in the vicinity of a fan, it is prudent to unplug the fan. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Quicktime Vs Aspyr
Jeff Bequette wrote: Has anyone else been hit by this upgrade to Quicktime 7,6 and it incompatibility with some Aspyr products. My daughter is going thru Sims 2 withdrawal and I'm missing Civilization 3. One list I looked at suggested 'reverting to QT7.5 What would be the best way to do this till Apple and Aspyr come up with a patch? Dual 1.8/4gRAM/OS10.4.11/QTpro7.6 Apple really screwed up with this. And downgrading QuickTime is NOT easy unless you've kept good backups. MacFixIt has detailed instructions. http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20090125215418693 - Dan Jeff, I really and truly hope Dan's suggestion works for you, and OMG offer my sympathies to your daughter on her Sims withdrawal, because Aspyr sucks. Know this: For the past couple of years, I've been a pretty active member of the online Sims community and I've read numerous stories from other Simmers in the Mac Sims areas of the forums, none of which were even remotely encouraging. In addition, The Sims 3 is going to be officially out any minute now. Therefore, do not count on Apple or especially Aspyr to do anything meaningful to support The Sims 2 anymore, presuming their support of it was acceptable in the past. Aspyr TOTALLY STOPPED SUPPORTING The Sims 1 (MY game: I didn't like Sims 2) WAY BEFORE THEY STOPPED SELLING IT even, and Apple didn't give a flying f*** in the past when its OS X Tiger update from 10.4.2 to 10.4.3 COMPLETELY FUBAR BROKE the Sims 1 create-a-sim, wardrobe and pet adoption screens (an issue I'm stuck with on my G4 that has made me seriously consider downgrading my Tiger on numerous occasions ever since my G4 started freezing when I booted in OS 9) -- and Aspyr didn't care either, they said it was Apple's issue, according to a Mac Simmer at TSR who had posted about the problem and her experience in contacting both Aspyr and Apple at the time. I know another Mac Simmer who discovered that Aspyr's Sims 1 Complete Collection did not make the objects from the Deluxe sets usable on Mac (Complete Collection for PC had all the Deluxe stuff, and PC Simmers could use it as-is immediately), and she had to hack them all herself to be able to use them. She told me she's never going to buy another Aspyr game again because she's disgusted with what she called their sloppy programming and lack of support. Good luck ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS9 Image Viewer/Slideshow App Suggestions?
Richard writes, HiYa, I'm setting up a Wallstreet running OS9 and I'm looking for a 'Preview.app' type program I can use to look at jpegs and run full screen slideshows with. It's been forever since I've been in 9 and can't think of what to use to get Preview like tools. Not that I like Preview!, but it does what it does fairly decently and I could really use those tools on my Powerbook. I really liked Jade 1.2. I miss it actually. Here: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macos/2248mode=feedbackvid=224 9 ~Yersinia. IMPORTANT: This email is intended for the use of the individual addressee(s) named above and may contain information that is confidential, privileged or unsuitable for overly sensitive persons with low self-esteem, no sense of humor or irrational religious beliefs. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is not authorized (either explicitly or implicitly) and constitutes an irritating social faux pas. No animals were harmed in the transmission of this email, although the mutt next door is living on borrowed time, let me tell you. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Did I Do Something Stupid?! No Classic in System Prefs?!
Hi Listers, After about 6 months of procrastination, tonight I finally did The Deed: Nuke and pave to single partition my iBook's HD and clean it up but good. All was going beautifully, actually it IS going beautifully, except for ONE CRUCIALLY IMPORTANT THING: There is no Classic pane in System Preferences! :-O I don't nuke and pave often, but I've done it enough to make sure that the little box for OS 9 drivers is checked in Disk Utility is checked -- and I know it was checked tonightand I've also never opened my System Prefs and not seen the 9 Classic in the System area -- UNTIL NOW!! Tech Info: iBook G3/800, 30 GB HD, 640 MB RAM -- installed OS X Tiger 10.4.3 from DVD, then ran 10.4.9 Combo Updater. After post-updater reboot and confirmation that I was in 10.4.9 by popping About This Mac, I started loading in all the data gathered onto the flash drives earlier today, including the OS 9.2.2 System Folder to run Classic. However, this system folder is recognized in the Startup Disk pane in System Preferencesnot that I plan to use it for that, but my iBook at least knows it's there! Um, what did I screw up? :blush Will an Archive Reinstall somehow give me my Classic Prefs back? Thanks, ~Yersinia. When you move something to a more logical place, you can only remember where it used to be and your decision to move it. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Did I Do Something Stupid?! No Classic in System Prefs?!
Bill Connelly writes, After you install a Mac OS 9 System Folder, the Classic preference pane should be available the next time you open System Preferences. If it's still not available, try opening a Classic application, and then logging out and logging in again. To install a Mac OS 9 System Folder, click the link below. See also Installing a Mac OS 9 System Folder to use with the Classic environment Classic OK -- as it happened, I went on with my moving data into the machine and recustomizing activities (why not -- an Archive Reinstall will preserve it if I have to do one, I figure) and yes, out of curiosity, when I put one of my Classic apps' icons in the Dock and double clicked it, Classic started up (but the app itself blew out, it wouldn't open, I'll need to investigate that later). And at THAT point, when I went to System Prefs, I DID finally see a Classic pane. I went in, checked it out, saw that it was set properly to call on the OS 9 System folder I'd moved in, but, it was still missing the option to put the little 9 icon in the menu bar. I could have sworn I got the little 9 in the menu bar on both my G4 originally, and then on the iBook when I first got it and set it up, by doing something in System Prefs Classic pane...maybe I'm senile and don't really remember, but OK. Somehow your links didn't make it to your reply, Bill, but that's OK, I'll go to Mac Help myself and look up those topics. Also... I think you have to install the OS 9 (on a separate partition would be my preference), and make sure it is Blessed. Don't remember the details, but it all occurs under the Installation OS 9 CD control as I would do it. No, you don't HAVE TO put OS 9 on its own partition -- it's BETTER to keep OS 9 separate from OS X when you plan on sometimes actually BOOTING the machine in OS 9, and in fact that's how I originally set up my iBook. However, it's not actually necessary to do it that way, particularly not in Tiger I'd read on this list some time back that earlier versions of OS X would futz up if they were too close to OS 9, but not Tiger When I got the iBook in July 2007, I had THOUGHT I'd need to boot it in 9 occasionally, so I gave it a small (8 GB) OS 9 boot partition. As it happened though, I never needed to boot in 9 on the iBook at all (the only times I ever actually did boot the iBook in 9 was when I installed to test it, and then once last night immediately prior to the nuke and pave to see if it still worked, and yes it booted in 9) -- I only need to run Classic on it. It's the *G4* I have to be able to boot in 9 with sometimes (and still can't, dammit! yet another still-unresolved issue, sigh)...And, on the G4, the OS 9 for booting is on a *different HD* from the OS X, which the Mac would treat as on another partition, meaning it's OK. Because my iBook only has a 30 GB HD and I no longer have room for stuff I never use on it (such as a separate OS 9 boot partition), that's why I decided to nuke and pave it last night, to get rid of that unused partition and do some clean up and streamline as well as update certain things I'll be needing to use more in the near future. All righty then, off to go to Mac Help. Thanks for the tip, Bill! ~Yersinia. Politicians are those who deal with the problems which would not exist if they didn't exist. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Did I Do Something Stupid?! No Classic in System Prefs?!
Glen writes, Are you sure the OS 9.2.2 is blessed as Bill asked in an earlier post? Don't know if can you just copy a OS 9 System folder over into an OS X environment without a true install from the OS 9 install disk? Perhaps a clean install from your OS 9 disk would be required. At this point that is what I would do if you are sure the OS 9 System folder is blessed. But first, I'd bless the System folder. Yes, you can copy in an OS 9 System Folder from one Mac to another and expect it to run Classic under OS X, and boot the machine from its own partition. I know, because that's how I got OS 9 (both Classic-only, and boot-only) into that very same iBook in the first place. Classic ran great, and I was also able to boot the iBook in OS 9. None of my various and sundry OS 9 install CDs will install OS 9 on my iBook, which I bought used on EBay and didn't come with any system disks. That's why originally, and now, I had to move OS 9 in by copying System Folders from my G4 (I do have system disks for THAT, but the OS 9 one wouldn't install on the iBook either). Anyhoo, the issue is mostly fixed now, believe it or not -- I even got my little 9 back up in the menu bar! :-) I have one last problem with one app (all my other Classic apps open and run OK, I tested them), but I need to take that to the Claris Emailer list. Thanks though! ~Yersinia. Some mornings it's not worth chewing through the leather straps. -- Emo Phillips --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Did I Do Something Stupid?! No Classic in System Prefs?!
Bill writes, Maybe CCC 3.1.3 would help down the road, under OS X. It might even Bless the folder for you? Dunno, I'll Google and if it's free and actually makes sense to me why I should have it, I'll download it. I never actually, seriously even looked into Carbon Copy Cloner, even though I've seen enough mention of people using it in here on these lists. I never really got why anybody should use a special program to copy or move files or folders, when (for me anyway) it could be done straight up with the Finder without having to mess around with yet something else. That's funny ... all this made me upgrade my OS 9 partition to usable 9.2.2 along with using Quicktime 6.0.3 (my 9.1 install wouldn't startup on my Yikes!) ... Hahaha, I find this really amusing -- a little problem I run into because I decide I don't need the OS 9 partition on my iBook inspires YOU to UPGRADE yours! *laugh* but as a test, I tried my ClarisWorks 3 from the dock ... it opened another app instead ... Switch ... which has nothing to do with OS 9 ...Same thing happened when I went to the ClarisWorks folder ... any relation to Claris Emailer? Um, h, I couldn't tell you, sorry. I've never even had ClarisWorks 3. I started with ClarisWorks 4 in OS's 7.x.x and 8.x and used it until OS 9.1 FUBARed it, at which point I started using AppleWorks. (I've been using AppleWorks 6 for about, h, 4-5 years now?) I've never even heard of Switch, and I don't mess with QuickTime either. One of the first things I did when I first got OS X was take the QuickTime icon out of the Dock, and it's THE first thing I do when I open up a new OS X after a nuke-and-pave (remove all of what are, for me, useless icons, and QuickTime is first on my list of useless!). I have no idea how any of this would relate to Claris Emailer, which, I should mention, opened up and worked just fine on my iBook (until now!) and still runs beautifully on my G4 (same 10.4.9/9.2.2 OS configuration). I'm using NeoOffice for my spreadsheets and such now under OS X. Haven't really run any OS 9 apps for awhile. I don't do spreadsheets at home, and don't have NeoOffice...but believe it or not, I've actually considered going to an OS X native email client (Thunderbird, which my boyfriend told me about, he uses it on HIS Macs). I didn't like Mail.app (I did have reason to try it briefly not long before I found Thunderbird)...It was IMO too much like Outlook (which I already knew I hated from having used it at work in a Windoze only situation), which may be good for recent escapees from MicroBorg who want an easy adjustment to Macs and OS X, but I don't want to use anything MicroBorg-like! So I downloaded and played with Thunderbird a little, and almost fell in love, except for one thing: It can't import my Claris Emailer folders! THAT was the dealbreaker. Ironically, Mail.app CAN import from Claris Emailer..except I don't like it otherwise! So, I'm still using my good old ancient Claris Emailer 2.0v3 for email. I actually LOVE my Claris Emailer, and the only reason why I was considering switching to an OS X native email program at all was because I thought it, being more modern, would work better than CE in wifi situations. Ohhh wait... IDEA! Gotta pop open the Thunderbird and look since I don't recall off the top of my head, but I think it WILL import from Mail.app, so maybe if I import my ClarisEmailer stuff into Mail.app, and then import with Thunderbird from THERE...H, Maybe! (oh no, another big nasty Project likely to take a week or more, I know, but.something to look into!) ~Yersinia-wishes she'd stop thinking up all these big nasty Projects! Experience is the worst teacher. It always gives the test first and the instruction afterward. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting
M-hmm.been following this one quietly, now going to add Over the Christmas holiday weekend while my BF was here, I shut down my G4 867 Quicksilver and my USB/Firewire external HD (40 GB drive in a LaCie enclosure), so he could put the original NVIDIA GeForce2 MX video card back in and hook up a second monitor on it (not to mention a major area cleanup-desk reorganization and reworking the spaghetti). While all that was successful, when it was all done and I powered everything back up, the external HD, which had always been Firewired to the G4, disappeared. That is, it didn't show up on the desktop, and the G4 didn't know it was there in either Disk Utility or ASP). Important Note -- Immediately prior to shutting down and starting this, I had updated my backups to the external HD over Firewire, and all was well with it. This sounds like the OP's issue -- his FW drive was working fine until he shut down, but when rebooting, he lost it, which is why this thread got my attention. Second Important Note -- Although the Firewire is down on this drive, the drive comes up perfectly well with USB -- on the desktop, in Disk Utility and in ASP -- so I can still use it even though USB is suboptimal compared to the Firewire -- and is completely usable as well as visible on the desktop. Firewire Experiment after USB showed that the HD itself was good and I could still make backups and transfer data albeit horribly slowly: I only had the one FW cable, so we tried switching FW ports in the G4. No go -- it didn't matter which port we used; the drive only showed up when we plugged it back in with USB. My BF said this meant it could be a problem with either the cable OR the FW port on the external drive case. He said he'd take my cable home and test it on his system (he also has an external USB/Firewire drive), and if it failed, next time he came down, he'd bring another FW cable (a known working good), and we'd try it on mine, but this time, he said, if it didn't work, it would mean the FW port on my enclosure was bad. Alas, I didn't even THINK to try my FW cable with the iBook (and my brain death gets even worse!), but it seems my cable was bad anyway at his house. Sooo, for his next visit... He showed up over Valentine's weekend with a working FW cable he had just used himself on his own equipment and, just in case, a four port USB hub. No go on the FW with my machine, in either port -- which means I have no more Firewire unless or until I get another enclosure. And the worse part of the brain death - AGAIN it didn't occur to me to think of the iBook. If only I had, it wouldn't have taken me two days and two nights to do a massive data transfer to the iBook totally with USB flash drives. I'd have done my iBook nuke-and-pave while he was here with the good FW cable and moved all the stuff into the iBook straight out of the G4 with FW Target Disk Mode! Thank goodness for the USB hub though -- at least now I can have my external HD and BOTH flash drives plugged in simultaneously when needed. That helps a little anyway... But anyway -- how in the heck is it possible that just shutting down could have killed the FW port in my enclosure? I never dropped my external HD or spilled anything on it and when I used to move data from it into the iBook, I would simply unplug the end that was in the G4's FW port and plug it into the iBook's FW port...so other than the initial plugging in (first week of Aug 2007 when I got it), I had never even touched the enclosure's FW port! Even when we disconnected it from the G4 after the shutdown (to be able to rearrange the area and get inside the G4 to make it run the second monitor), we did it from the G4's end. :sigh: ~Yersinia. Never accept a drink from a urologist. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting
Wallace Adrian D'Alessio writes, Probably an unlikely cause but did you try cleaning your FW ports with an old toothbrush and alcohol? No, but next time my BF talks about coming down for a visit I'll ask him to bring a working FW cable with him and do it, then try again. Also did you try connecting the drive to your BF computer? U, no. His Mac (dual 1 GHz G4 Quicksilver) is 300 miles away. But I WAS totally stupid not to even THINK to try with my iBook, which lives in the next room so is easy to carry in here! :blush: But no matter what the result of trying it again after cleaning the FW ports, this time I'll also remember to bring in the iBook! Mel writes, The answer might be contained in this: so he could put the original NVIDIA GeForce2 MX video card back in and hook up a second monitor on it (not to mention a major area cleanup-desk reorganization and reworking the spaghetti). Try removing the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX video card and re-booting. This is (a) not physically possible for me to do myself (my BF installs all my upgrades for me because my left hand is partly paralyzed and I'm mechanically inept), and even if he was here right now, (b) it's not even an option anymore. Removing the NVIDIA would mean not being able to use the second monitor anymore! I had originally asked him to remove the NVIDIA last year (Feb 2008) because I had bought a Radeon 9200 which I thought would be better, so he took the NVIDIA out and installed the Radeonit only made a marginal difference, but I kept it in there anyway, didn't bother him to switch back. Later on in the year I realized I actually had a good reason to have 2 monitors on the G4 (an idea I actually got from him -- when I visited him in the summer, I saw he had *3* monitors on HIS G4, but it took me awhile to figure out why I'D want more than the one I had!). But, for me to have 2 monitors, I had to have 2 video cards -- so I kept the Radeon where it was and asked him to put the NVIDIA in another slot and hook the second monitor up. He did, and I love having the two monitors. And what do video cards and monitors have to do with external Firewire anyway? Nestamicky writes, Let me please add, suggests, etc the following. Firewire is perhaps so named because there is fire on that cable. So knowing this, here is how I have always shut mine down. 1. Eject the HD 2. Walk over to the external case and turn it's switch off. 3. Turn the computer off. I never ever shut the machine down while the external case is running with the HD in it. Never. I have always simply thought something can go wrong. I don't do this as much with USBs but with Firewire. Bruce writes, Firewire is actually very robust...robust enough that you can start a file transfer, unplug the cable, count to five, plug it back in and the transfer will continue, in many cases, unless the OS determines that the volume is gone. I remember the reviewers at MAcWorld doing this at the beginning of the FW era (this was in OS 9). I'm thinking that flaky disks in flaky external FW cases are largely to blame, there's a lot of cheap corner-cut gear out there. I've never had an issue with FW drives being on when the computer is shut off...other than my wife yells at me You left something on! I can hear something humming under that pile of stuff on your desk! 8-) H.yeah, we shut my FW drive off too when we shut down for the NVIDIA reinstallation. I never used to shut it off otherwise though (and it never kept my BF up at night when he's here hahaha!), and shutting down the G4 is something I only do infrequently, when it's necessary -- like trying to reboot it in OS 9 when I'm in THAT wrestling match, which I'll actually be doing soon, iBook Rebuild gave me an idea for another experiment to try when I get in the mood (probably voodoo but I'll try anyway since I'm still at a total loss!) -- or so my BF can install something for mewe don't mind a little humming around here! ;-) Anyway, Bruce, this would bring us back to your flaky external FW cases idea (I know the HD inside the case is good because I've been using it with USB to maintain my backups since the FW went down)...and that makes more sense to me than Nestamicky's suggestion (Nesta, IMO you should be more careful about ejecting USB stuff when you unplug it -- I've occasionally gotten angry dialog boxes at times even though I DID eject prior to pulling a flash drive out)...although Wallace's suggestion of cleaning the FW port sounds good too -- even if I can't operate on my G4, I can handle alcohol and a toothbrush. I know dirt can be bad for equipment, and my apartment is definitely not Martha Stewart! Thanks all for your comments and suggestions. :-) ~Yersinia. Just when you start to accept that Life's a bitch, she has puppies. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed
Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting
Mel writes, Sometimes adding or changing a PCI card screws up what was working before. You did replace one video card that was working with a NVIDIA card. I'm not suggesting that you give up your second monitor but I am suggesting that until that NVIDIA is removed and you restore the card it replaced, you won't know if the NVIDIA card is the cause of your problem. Ordinarily I wouldn't suggest this removal but you have tried quite a few other reasonable options all to know avail. If the NVIDIA card should be the cause of your problem and since you wish to use two monitors, that might require a solution which would be beyond your current problem and would require a solution I am not qualified to offer. You do make an interesting point, i.e., Sometimes adding or changing a PCI card screws up what was working before, because it was after I got the Radeon video card (and maxed the RAM then too), my G4 stopped booting in OS 9, where it always did previously. The NVIDIA card is the one that actually came in my machine, but last year I got it into my head that a Radeon card would solve a particular problem, so when I bought one, my BF took the NVIDIA out and replaced it with the Radeon...which didn't REALLY solve my problem, but e, OK...so I put the NVIDIA away Then at the end of the year when I decided I wanted to hook up the second monitor, I didn't see any problems with putting back the card which had originally come with this same machine.and I since I don't have to boot in OS 9 that often, I didn't realize THAT problem for a long time. But yes, something screwed up somehow before the Firewire on my external HD but only after I asked my BF to help me out messing with the video cards! And yes, CUDA was pressed at the initial installations, and later on PRAM was zapped too. Mmmm, then again how do we know more messing around with the video cards might not make the problem worse instead of fixing it?! Well, OK...next time my BF is here -- and if cleaning out the FW ports with toothbrush and alcohol doesn't do it -- yes, then maybe I'll try this. I really do need for him to do the messing around in the computer innards. Thanks, ~Yersinia. Facing terror isn't half as fun as sharing it. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
2 Monitors, a Radeon and an NVIDIA (was Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting)
Aaron writes, The Radeon 9200 will drive two monitors by itself! From the manufacturer's web site: Advanced Dual Display Support Drive two displays simultaneously with independent resolutions and refresh rates Specifications ... Integrated TV-Out supports up to 1024x768 resolution Multiple Display connections DVI-I port VGA port S-Video port DVI-I to VGA S-Video to Composite adaptors included Wow, really? Hmmm...OK, looks like I don't have all the right adapters then...but I should also admit, I'm hardly what anybody could call tech savvy when it comes to matters like this. Up until I opened the box containing the Radeon, I had never even seen a video card! When I ordered it (over the phone with a guy at OWC -- I called to confirm that it would work in a G4 Quicksilver 867 since the web page confused me -- and he took my order on the phone). But anyway, no adapters came with it, and no I didn't think to ask for any -- not tech savvy remember? I had ordered a couple of sticks of 512 MB RAM at the same time, and all that came in the box was the Radeon and the two RAM sticks. Anyhoo, just now (prior to answering this) -- since in the December computer area reorganization to fit the second monitor on my desk, the G4 tower got moved to an area where it's now even harder for me to look at its backside than it was before (so I can't even attempt to trace what's going out of the Radeon...or the NVIDIA for that matter), I went to ASP Graphics/Displays to see if I could figure out how it was hooked up. Result: yes, I see the Radeon running my primary monitor, a Gateway EV910 19, and for the first time, I actually notice that it COULD be running a second display -- it says: Display: Status: No display connected. But I have no idea from that what kind of adapter is running to the Gateway, or what I'd need to run into the secondary monitor (an ancient but functioning 15 NEC MultiSync XV15+). I still went to Google Image search in hopes of seeing the backside of a Radeon 9200. Couldn't find an image big enough for my aging eyes to be able to distinguish the ports, though, maybe just as well because I'm yet too ignorant to tell which is which.. OK, I'll give my BF a call tonight! Oh wait! OMG! NOW I remember why I had to wait till December to get the second monitor (the NEC) hooked up! I had suggested it in November, his previous visit. We brought the NEC into the bedroom where my computer desk is, but he looked at it and behind the G4, then we looked through that Unidentified Computer Stuff bottom drawer of my filing cabinet and he said I was going to need another video card, because I didn't have the right kind of adapter to connect the Radeon to the second monitor. I said I still had my old NVIDIA and went to get it, but it wasn't where I thought I'd put it, and 20 minutes of looking, it didn't turn up. Naturally, I found it the day AFTER he went home! Anyway, since he hooked everything up, if I refresh his memory (you couldn't make the Radeon drive both monitors because I was missing an adapter -- so what kind am I missing? -- he'll be able to tell me what it was, and if he doesn't have one at home (he always brings stuff like that if he has it, and most of the time, he has it, whatever it is!), I could post a WTB on the Swap List to get one. WOW. Thank you, Aaron! :-) ~Yersinia. Mycelium is yourcelium. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CADIE!
Bruce writes, On March 31st 2009, 11:59:59 SKYNET^H^H^H^HCADIE became self aware. This is what I thought of, too... ~Yersinia. Friends don't let friends do Windoze. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Oh No, I Should Switch Emailers Too! (was Re: Mail, Eudora T-bird)
the disturbing fact that no, Thunderbird will not import from my Mail.app, and some Googling revealed the fact that Mail.app under Tiger has a different mbox structure as compared to pre-Tiger, and I'll have to convert the Mail.app imported email to make Thunderbird take it. It seemed so overwhelmingly complicated (the more I read, the more confused I got, and I was reading for a couple of hours while I proceeded with Mail.app imports) -- I decided to nix Thunderbird.I continued with my one-emailbox-at-a-time imports, and decided to read up on Mail.app in my Tiger: The Missing Manual book. Most of the stuff I'm reading about it, I find I actually like -- in spite of the Outlook taste it had when I first tried it, Mail.app does all the stuff CE does (CE was just ahead of its time), and most of it in the same or similar ways. So I think, once I get my CE mails all imported, I'll start using Mail.app. I'm a little bummed I won't break out of the Proprietary box on email, but I remind myself, I've been in that very same box with CE for the past 13 years anyway. And Mail.app is right here for free since it came with Tiger, and because it's newer than CE and Tiger-native, I won't run aground with it in the same ways I'm running aground with CE now. But I've seen plenty of people having Mail.app problems on this list over the years, and now I myself just had a problem with one of my most important (if not THE most important!) CE mailboxes not importing in full (the one I mentioned with 20,000-something emails), so I'm feeling apprehensive at best. So I ask you G-Listers: 1. Is Mail.app REALLY actually any good for an Email Pack Rat like me? 2. If I try to import that Big Email Box again, what can I do to make sure the whole thing takes? 3. Curiously, have any of you imported from Mail.app to Thunderbird with that conversion thing? If so, did you have an easy time with it and are you happy with Thunderbird? 4. Are there other open source email clients into which I can import directly from CE? Thank you in advance for your insight and suggestions. ~Yersinia. It's only premarital sex if you're going to get married. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Oh No, I Should Switch Emailers Too! (was Re: Mail, Eudora T-bird)
Bucky writes, Wow, that's, Wow. I have only just hit 1500 myself. Either you're not an email pack rat or you're very young and only just got started! LOL. I have been using Eudora for a long time, and I am excited about the release of Eudora 8 (Penelope). There are betas of it available. I have never seen claris emailer. and have never used it. Although thunderbird doesn't import Claris directly and as a result neither does Penelope. Eudora 6 does. and Penelope, will of course import older Eudora. You can have Eudora 8 and Thunderbird installed on the same machine. but they use the same profile. So when you import into Penelope, You are also importing into Thunderbird. On second thought. You might want to stay in Eudora land. Ummm, thank you, but no thank you. I spent a whole week in 1996 trying to get Eudora to work at all, and couldn't. That was when I vowed never to go near Eudora ever again for any reason. To me the idea of trying to use Eudora is just as repugnant as the idea of getting a Windoze PC! LOL. There's gotta be a way to get the darn Mail.app to import my old CE email in full and correctly! (yes, been fighting with that again all day today too) Crap oh crap oh crap! :-( Sorry everyone, I'm just cornered and frustrated. My email is crucial to me, especially that Big Folder with the 20,644 emails, most of which concern and contain a sci fi fantasy worldbuild I worked on with a cowriter which extended over a period of 8 years and I NEED to always be able to get at that stuff! ~Yersinia. Bizarreness is the essence of the exotic. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Oh No I Need To Switch Emailers!
Well hello everyone it took me awhile, and yes, a program (Emailchemy) but I actually did it! I got all 13 years/32,262 emails out of Claris Emailer -- and into THUNDERBIRD! This email is coming to you on Thunderbird now (it's my third since migration). Oh, and you all know what ELSE this means? Since last week I broke down and beat my G4 won't boot in OS 9 bug by buying and installing Panther (10.3.2) on that HD -- and that cured the problem for which OS 9 had originally been the only cure, I'm totally off OS 9 except for Classic Mode...and that only for two very old programs which are still vital and won't run without Classic. Nope, there's no replacing those last two, not unless I write my own replacements, or stop modding my Sims game...both of which are doubtful. (Oh, and since I don't use those two programs when booted in Panther -- still on Tiger most of the time -- I didn't even set up my Panther drive to RUN Classic!) Thunderbird is pretty cool so far though. There's some pain in the neck things (one of which I thought getting off Claris would fix...sigh) but I attribute that to my usual lack of skill in adjusting to change! I'll get used to it pretty soon though, given the usual volume of my email habits. Anyway, thought I'd mention I actually got up and running with Thunderbird, after all my moaning and groaning... Please pass me some cheese to accompany my whine! :-) ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Oh No I Need To Switch Emailers!
Al Poulin writes, Maybe I missed something in earlier messages, but I'm curious. Do you do something in Panther that you cannot do in Tiger? Yes. I only have ONE use for Panther (for which I previously was using OS 9 until it stopped booting on my G4). When I'm booted in Tiger (which is 99% of the time), my Sims game graphics in the Create-a-Sim, wardrobe and pet screens are totally FUBAR. I don't use those screens on a frequent basis, but when I need them, I need them -- UNBOLLOXED. This is a known problem that happens on Tiger from 10.4.3 up -- so I've had it since getting my G4 in September 2006, which came with Tiger 10.4.7 on it (and which I had also upgraded to 10.4.9 which is where it's staying). Apple doesn't care about this problem and neither does Aspyr, the company who ported the Sims for Mac -- they didn't at the time 10.4.3 came out and the problem was current, and presently, all support for Sims 1 is long gone (it's not even sold anymore, anyone who wants to buy the original Sims game now has to buy used at this point). So when I found myself on 10.4.7 and needed those screens, I used to just boot into OS 9, fire up the game for long enough to make the changes I wanted, then go back to playing in Tiger (it plays very well in Tiger: this graphics bolloxing on the G4 is the ONLY issue). Unfortunately, my G4 stopped booting in OS 9 last year after some upgrades to the video card and RAM, so I couldn't do that anymore, and a year of NEVER being able to boot the game in 9 to get around the graphics bollox was driving me completely up the wall, to the point where I seriously considered a full downgrade of my G4 to Panther 10.3.9. My Tiger install DVD is 10.4.3 and I had no idea how to archive-reinstall with that and then downgrade to 10.4.2 so I'm stuck with the Sims graphics-FUBARing version of Tiger and in that case may as well keep 10.4.9. Finally (about 2 weeks ago) it occurred to me that I didn't have to downgrade my whole G4 to Panther, all I had to do was install Panther on that one hard drive which used to be my OS 9 boot drive. So last week I received the Panther disks I bought from the Swap List, I nuked-and-paved the old OS 9 drive installed the Panther, put my data back on (which includes my Sims games: I play with two installations). I booted the G4 in Panther, fired up one of my games under Panther and VOILA -- problem solved: those screens look normal again! :-D Knowing that the Panther install CDs I bought were 10.3.2, while waiting for the order to come in, I downloaded the 10.3.9 Combo Updater, but...haven't seen the need to install it. 10.3.2 worked well enough for my purposes. The only time I need to boot the G4 in Panther (as was the case when I was booting it in OS 9) is when I want to create a new sim, or have my existing sims change clothes or adopt pets. Everything else I do on my G4, Sims and otherwise, can be done in Tiger, so that's where I am most of the time. Now included. While installing Panther fixed my Sims graphics problem, alas it kicked off the unacceptable behavior of my Claris Emailer on the G4. I had just more or less gotten used to the idea that I couln't use CE on the iBook (it's been two months since that happened), but when it got weird on the G4 I got scared and felt I had to change emailers to something OS X native before it's too late and I lose everything. It was crucial to me to be able to CONTINUE The Collection, not just archive it somewhere and start anew with the new email client, so that's why the migration was such a big deal. Thankfully, it worked. ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Oh, No, I Have to Switch Emailers
Denny writes, Ahh well I am sticking with Eudora for the next 10 years or so even though it is now dead too. If Eudora is functioning for you at 100% capacity and you still love it, there is no reason in the universe why you should have to switch. The ONLY reason why I felt I HAD to stop using Claris Emailer is because it was no longer functioning at 100% capacity -- I haven't been able even OPEN it for reference purposes on my iBook at all for the last two months, and since my installation of Panther on the former OS 9 drive on the G4 last week, it's been acting very strangely on the G4 too and I got scared to NOT migrate. By the way, should the time come where your dead Eudora decides to give up the ghost on YOUR Mac(s), I highly recommend Emailchemy if you're an email pack rat and need to migrate all your old mail to your new email client. That said the part that I am interested in is where you said that you mod the Sims. Would you tell me what programs you use to do that? Is there a way I can get those programs? Yup! :-D 1. I hope it's obvious to you, since I mention the fact that I require Classic for two of my Sims-modding programs, that I'm talking about Sims 1, the original game, not Sims 2 -- wow, you play Sims 1 on a Mac1?!?!?! Coolio! If so, we really need to talk offlist! :-D Feel free to email me at any time. 2. There are actually a FEW programs you should be using for Sims 1 on a Mac if you mod your game. The two most important, which require Classic are: GUID Checker (to find and fix object ID conflicts in downloaded objects, which is a very serious and common problem that can bollox your game, but 100% preventable if you use GUID Checker) and Sim Show for Mac (to test downloaded skins). Both of these are free programs, but they were designed for OS's 8.6 through 9.2.2 and will not run at all under straight OS X. The good news is that they're freeware. Get'em here: GUID Checker can be downloaded at at Around the Sims: http://www.aroundthesims.com/news/mac_tools.html#exclusive Sim Show for Mac can be downloaded at MacNation: http://www.macnation.org/games/sims/utils.html Please note that all the other Required Programs (plus ones that make modding so much easier/faster) can be found at Around The Sims and MacNation (links given above, they're on the same pages as GUID Checker and Sim Show). These would be: Skin Shrinker (at MacNation) -- required to make your downloaded skins Mac compatible (unless you have really good eyesight. Um wait, this also requires Classic Mode. MacSimSorter and MacSkinSorter (at Around the Sims), which, if I may brag for a moment here, me and my boyfriend wrote together (I know the game, he knows how to write scripts)! (oh and we have two more programs on the way: our MacSimFinder is ready for packaging and release, Kopy Kat (Mac version of Lot Manager) is still in the works. Ours are all OS X native, though. MacSimSorter and MacSkinSorter make Downloads Processing SOOO much EASIER and FASTER! MacSimSorter is for objects, walls and floors. MacSkinSorter is for skins, and spits 'em out all ready to be dropped on Skin Shrinker and popped into Sim Show for screening and testing. Depending on how seriously you take your modding, i.e., if you want to create your own objects or hack your downloads, you will also need these programs: IFF Snooper and TFar, which are both free AND OS X native (though Peter still kicks out OS 9 versions). Pick 'em both up at: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/simlouvre/files/ MAKE SURE you get the NEWEST version of IFF Snooper, which is 1.2.4a5. This recent update allows you to declare local variables and parameters in the header, as well as change parameters within lines, pointy-clickey easy in the BHAV editor, instead of having to export hex/end up with seriously crossed eyes to do these things, and they're vital if you're serious about your Sims hacking. And lastly, on this simmmie stuff, whether you're just a downloadaholic or a would-be creator of custom content for Sims 1, you'd be well advised to pay the Simblesse Oblige forum a visit. This total fount of information is here: www.simblesseoblige.com Happy Mac Simming! ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Thunderbird from G4 to iBook: Which Stuff to Copy?
Hiya again Listers, I'm happy enough with the Thunderbird setup on my G4 to want to flash drive it over to the iBook (also running 10.4.9). I'd like to confirm what has to be copied so it'll function correctly on the iBook...here's what common sense tells me I need: Thunderbird.app (from Applications). Any .plist stuff for Thunderbird (in ~users/Library/Preferences). Am I missing anything? Thank you, ~Yersinia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Thunderbird from G4 to iBook: Which Stuff to Copy?
Hiya again Listers, I'm happy enough with the Thunderbird setup on my G4 to want to flash drive it over to the iBook (also running 10.4.9). I'd like to confirm what has to be copied so it'll function correctly on the iBook...here's what common sense tells me I need: Thunderbird.app (from Applications). Any .plist stuff for Thunderbird (in ~users/Library/Preferences). Am I missing anything? Thank you, ~Yersinia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thunderbird from G4 to iBook: Which Stuff to Copy?
Bruce writes, ~users/Library/Thunderbird which is where everything is stored. THANKS! :-D I got it ALL done now: paid my Emailchemy shareware, cleaned up the 'demo mess' with the real one and moved Thunderbird and My Collection over to the iBook! Woo-hoo! :-) ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thunderbird from G4 to iBook: Which Stuff to Copy?
Stephen writes, Shoot, got here a bit late. Strange, we live in Alaska time here in Alaska and I just got off work! The best way to do this is to do a clean install of Thunderbird on the new machine, start it up, let it create a default profile, then quit and copy everything inside of the profile from the old machine to inside of the profile on the new machine, replacing everything inside of the profile. Once in a great while the Tbird app gets mucked up on the old machine and you may not know it, so it's always better to start off fresh. There. Let the flame war begin (donning flame proof clothes and heading out to the barbecue!) Ehhh, I won't start any flame wars with you. As it happens -- even though I hadn't seen your email yet -- what you suggested is exactly what I did. I didn't have Tbird ON the iBook yet, so, after cleaning up my new Tbird mail database on the G4 with the full version of Emailchemy, I copied Tbird's installation disk image, as well as the ~users/Library/Thunderbird like Bruce suggested onto the flash drive, and moved the whole thing into the iBook -- where I installed Tbird, booted it, shut it down and copied in that folder to ~users/Library in the iBook. Then I rebooted Tbird, checked my folders and... BEEYOUTEEFUL! Er, at least if I have to reference any emails while on the iBook -- all of it made the transition. I haven't had opportunity to test it online for send/receive email yet. I will probably do that tomorrow. But I don't expect problems, I mean, Tbird is picking up and sending my emails on the G4, as you can see! I'm still in the 'adjustment' phase with TBird -- I don't regret the decision but after 13 solid years of using Claris Emailer, change is definitely noticeable. I'm sure it'll only take me a week or two for my brain, which you all know is shielded by a solid neutronium skull, to fully kick into it. And in some respects, I'm actually enjoying the newness! I liken my new Tbird experience to when I first got OS X, only on a smaller scale since it's just an emailer, not a new operating system -- I'm finding things some things I like better, finding other things a pain in the neck, but the overall result is that I like it. Oh, a barbecue? Please pass me the spare ribs! :-) ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sending e-mail problem
Cliff writes, I'm at my in-laws where we're connected to the web via CoxNet cable. via our iBook G4 through which I'm booting from my portable HD. We're running 10.4.11 When I do the e-mail thing with Eudora 6.0 I can POP receive my mail from yahoo.mail and my machighway account but I cannot send mail ??? It stops at preparing to transfer. so it's either not connecting thourgh the iBook or through CoxNet. Probably not through CoxNet. I have this same problem sending email out on my iBook (10.4.9) when I'm at a wifi hotspot: I can pick up email with my POP3 client but not send. My emailer is configured to my own ISP's outgoing mailserver, not the wifi provider's. My suggestion: ask your in-laws for their outgoing mailserver info and put that into your email client for while you're at their home. ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Shocking! Email Wasn't The Only Migration!
JT writes, Well, for starters, this old legacy diehard switched cold turkey in December of 2006. I had thought about it for several years and... IF I had known that you could put legacy applications in the dock, I would have made the switch much sooner. I still run classic on occasion but have not booted with classic for at least two years and don't miss anything about doing so. Wow, cold turkey huh?! Well, when I first got my G4 my original intention was to run in straight-up 9 for awhile and THEN try OS X, but things didn't go according to plan, and I spent my first several days totally stuck in the Tiger 10.4.7 it came with. Although, while waiting for the G4 to actually arrive, since I knew it would have Tiger ON it, I had been reading that conversion book about going from 9 to X, so I knew I could put my legacy apps in the Dock (in addition to being able to set System Prefs to boot Classic on startup). While that forced early immersion in Tiger did turn me on to the good things about OS X, I was still extremely worried I might need to actually boot in 9 at SOME point (I turned out to be almost right, although it's only for one application, and only occasionally)...so I doubt I could've done cold turkey! LOL It also took me a year to realize, once my G4 gave me the finger on booting in real 9 ever again (was it trying to tell me something? LOL) that no, I DON'T need to boot in 9 even for that one circumstance -- that putting Panther on that one HD would do the trick just as well! Although I did still choose to include the OS 9 drivers in the Panther install last week (and put an OS 9 system folder on that HD), I didn't actually take the time to go to Classic in the System Prefs or try booting Classic on it. I'm up on Tiger now, Classic is off (and no longer set to boot on startup). Much to my surprise, I did find out I needed to briefly run GUID Checker today...and I didn't mind waiting for Classic to boot up before GUID Checker would open! Wow..let's hear from the rest of you stubborn diehards and slowpokes! I may have taken the longest to even TRY OS X, but I know there were a few others who were resistant. Dorayme, you were one of them IIRC? :-) ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
MacG4 and Kris: The Mac already has 10.4 on it. Just that I dont have the disc in the case i need it. For the cost of the disc you could buy a HD and clone your working System. I know it's nice to have the disc, but with Tiger being so stable, it's kinda hard to imagine a scenario where a disc would be preferable to a working backup. Personally, I consider having BOTH an external backup AND a boot/installation disc of the operating system(s) one is using to be ABSOLUTE NECESSITIES. ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Bigger Internal HDs Bigger External Firewire/USB HD
Hiya Listers, I'm actually upgrading again soon. Just ordered 2 x 250 GB internal ATA HDs from the Swap List. Also, since the FW died on my external HD (which could stand to hold a much bigger HD than it does anyway) a few months ago I'm finally going to move on rectifying THAT problem, too (updating my backups with USB is sooo slow and it's been driving me crazy!). Technical Memory Refresher on my main computer (with present HDs): G4 867 Quicksilver with 2 internal HDs: 1. Nucleus -- OS X Tiger 10.4.9, 60 GB (came with this Mac originally). 2. Nucleolus -- OS X Panther 10.3.2, 20 GB (was pulled out of my Beige G3 and transplanted in when I got the G4) The current external HD: Memory Prime -- 40 GB. Not bootable, just a data backup. I just kick updated data over there from Nucleus or Nucleolus as required (Finder copy). This has has always worked well for me thus far -- yes, I've actually had to use stuff from this backup drive -- and yeah it saved me, big time! Obviously I'm planning to make Nucleus and Nucleolus 250 GB each. I don't actually NEED anywhere near that amount of space at this time (originally I'd been thinking 100-something GB internal HDs) but when I saw these two 250 GB HDs reasonably priced on the Swap List, I decided to go for them -- it can't hurt to have way more room than need -- just like there's no such thing as too much RAM, right? I pretty much know how I COULD handle the internal HD changeover (when my BF is next here to handle the physical removals/installations), but have some questions about the external HD business, because I'm in still in the process of deciding what exactly to buy (which enclosure, what size HD to put in it/if I should buy one with a drive already in it) and I'm also considering going the CCC route (I have yet to use CCC for anything at this point) on the new external backup drive for bootability. So here's the questions (most important considerations: simplicity and cost effectiveness): 1. Is it preferable to buy an enclosure which already has the drive in it, or to buy an empty enclosure and put a HD in it? I ask because I notice the empty enclosures are so much more economical, and from my POV at least (i.e., making sure I buy the right kind of HD for it -- I find the choices overwhelming, and once I do figure out the right one, need to have my BF do the actual physical installations for me). 2. I know my G4 likes internal ATA HDs (that's what it has now, and that's what I ordered from the Swap List) -- is ATA, PATA, SATA, SATA-1, SATA-2, eSATA (whatever those extra SATAs are: I know, Google is my friend, and I do plan to ask him) a consideration for EXTERNAL HDS? I ask because one of the external enclosures that caught my eye -- an OWC Mercury Elite-AL Oxford 934 says it supports any capacity SATA-1 or SATA-2 HD: would my G4 recognize this even? 3. Can you use partitions on external HDs like you can with internal ones? One thing i'm considering, if it's possible -- the external drive should be a 500GB, split into two partitions of 250 GB, onto which I CCC Nucleus (10.4.9) on one partition, and CCC Nucleolus (10.3.2) to the other, so for the transfer of internal drives and future possible emergency. I'm thinking to do the external HD first, partition it, CCC existing contents of Nucleus and Nucleolus as described, then (once I'm sure a CCC backup works), wipe the little drives and replace with the big ones, onto which I CCC the stuff from the external to the new internals (partition one to Nucleus, partition two to Nucleolus). So is this possible with my G4, and if so, is it a good idea? 4. Naturally, sticking with the familiar also tempts me. I saw an Iomega eGo Portable USB/Firewire which comes with a 250 GB drive already in it got my attention also, and I must say it's tempting to buy that (I had nothing but good experiences in the past with my Iomega Zip drives) and continue my backup system as simple external data storage. It should be noted that in addition to the data backups I keep well-maintained, I also have the boot/installation disks for both Tiger and Panther (just as I had 'em for my prior OS's) -- plus 10.4.9 and 10.3.9 combo updaters, although I found that the 10.3.2 direct from the CDs work fine for the one reason I need Panther. This is why I focused so heavily on data backup, rather than bootable backup. I COULD say that I don't need external bootable HDs because I never HAVE needed them before, but long long ago in a galaxy far away, I didn't think I needed data backups either, and oh boy was THAT a mistake! Whaddya all think? Any other recommendations and insights? Thanks, ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http
Re: Flash Drive Issue
Stephen Conrad and Bill Connelly write:
I have a Sony monitor that has 4 USB ports on it.
Earlier tonight I stuck a 3rd flash drive in and it came up (name shown:
Kingston I). I saved 2 files to it and was saving a 3rd when I saw a
message saying something about it being removed and the files might be
messed up {I forget the exact message}. Problem isI did NOT remove
it. What might have caused this? Is there some reason I cannot put 4 USB
Flash Drives on this thing?
Is that port a bit loose? I have one on my QS ... whatever's plugged
in needs to stay very still ... otherwise its a bit flaky ...
It could also be your flash drive, too. Is it shielded? Not knowing the
difference between shielded and unshielded at the I bought my second
flash drive, I ended up with one of each -- my original shielded 1 GB
and the unshielded 8 GB one I bought a year later. The unshielded one is
hard to solidly plug into either the USB hub on my QS -- or USB
extension which it stopped running from but used to (not enough
power), or eithe of my iBook's USB ports. Because my 8 GB flash drive
lacks the shielding, it's thinner and has to stay very still -- it's
loose anywhere I plug it in, whereas my shielded 1 GB flash drive ALWAYS
plugs in easy/nicely fitted, no matter where I'm using it, and never
comes loose. I can even pick up the iBook and walk across the room with
it with the 1 GB flash drive in. I wouldn't dare do that with the 8GB
flash drive in it! I'm almost sorry I bought the thing, but I do
occasionally need to sneakernet more files than will fit on the 1 GB,
and 8 GB will fit both my Sims games and a few extra folders.
Um, OK: how to tell if your flash drive is shielded or not: Look at the
part where you plug it into a USB hub. If it's surrounded by metal on
all sides, it's shielded. If it isn't, and you only see the thin
square sticking out, metal on one side (looks kind of like a circuit
pattern on it)/plastic on the other, that's unshielded.
Sorry I don't know the actual technical term for the part of a flash
drive you plug into the port -- I also don't know the technical term for
this thingie my boyfriend has which provides a shield for unshielded
flash drives...he's got this thingie plugged into one of his USB
extensions. That's the only place my 8 GB ever plugged in solidly and
didn't have to be kept absolutely still.
Someone else might be able to provide proper names for all this, right?
If anyone can, please do!
~Yersinia.
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Re: Bigger Internal HDs Bigger External Firewire/USB HD
that way than it has been to do it with the USB, which is disgustingly SLOW (it's better than nothing, but you know how THAT is!). However, since I hadn't set up my original/current external drive up to BE bootable even when the Firewire worked, I have yet to even TRY to boot my Quicksilver up from any external HD even over Firewire. Soon enough, though, soon enough. I am unfortunately at the height of my scatterbrain cycle right now, and I don't dare even try the easy first step of getting the new external HD hooked up, formatted and partitioned. In a few days I should start to become capable (I'm on strong meds which make me nearly totally useless for almost a whole week, and mostly useless for the next week (like when I originally posted my half-baked HD upgrade plans), and I just got dosed yesterday so right now I'm back to nearly totally useless. So I'll sit back for a few days and also wait for my controller card to arrive from the Swap List. By that time, my mental capacity should be a little better. ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Wipe Hard Drive
Mac G4 writes, Hello, I have a few old hard drives from older machines that I would like to completely 'clean'. I may sell them or give them to some friends, but I want to be certain I have cleaned everything off of them - basically make them like new. I have seen some software here and there that does this, but I imagine that software is basically charging for the GUI as the process should be contained in any OS. Is there a good site that outlines how to do this, or any free software that does the same? You should be able to do this with OS X's Disk Utility. In Disk Utility, after you select the HD you want to Erase, click Security Options on the bottom right, then choose either Zero Out Data or 7 Pass Erase. I used to use 7 pass when I wanted to clean a HD, but reading some stuff awhile back linked to from someone here (Bruce Johnson I think LOL), decided that zeroing is good enough. I'll be doing some of that soon enough myself, in fact. ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
CDs OK, DVDs Not...
Hi Listers, Recent discovery: The Pioneer DVD-RW DVR-103 optical drive in my G4 Quicksilver 867 will read up and make proper use of CDs I put in it (usually my game CD at this point). However, several days ago when I put my Tiger boot/install DVD in it, after some minutes of thinking about it, the drive simply opened up and spit it out. It never showed up on the desktop. Tried several times, no go. I feel totally naked without the ability to be able to boot from my Tiger DVD/use its Disk Utility if necessary. So an optical drive's DVD and CD reading ability can die at different times, huh? :-( ...and it's time for me to get a new one? Question: if it takes me awhile to replace the optical drive so I can use my Tiger DVD again, and I suspect it might, will booting from my Panther CD allow me to use Disk Utility to format/partition an external and two internal HDs if I have to? Opinions, please? Thank you, ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Very useful Applescript
Bruce Johnson writes, Cleans up a Mac of user files, and sets it up to run Setup Assistant when restarted. This lets you set up a Mac, update it and/or add programs, then hand it off as 'clean' with no users. Better than simply nuking and paving it. for institutional or corprate use this is how to pass on a Mac... Sounds cool -- I downloaded it. Will use it on my new G4 1.5 GHz Mac Mini, which I got today and booted up to make sure it works/had the specs advertised by the Swap List seller I bought it from. It does, but I also found a Home folder from a past user -- nope I don't need or want that! ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cursor in Find box problem
Dorayme writes, It is certainly no big deal, just an odd curiosity which I have not been able to get confirmed... no one seems to use Tiger any more? I use Tiger (10.4.9 on G4 Quicksilver 867 and G3/800 iBook)...but I almost never use Spotlight -- maybe once or twice a year (on the G4 only: I've never used it on the iBook), and I don't recall when the last time was. I also have no recollection of your cursor problem happening to me, so that's why I didn't have a suggestion for you when you originally mentioned it. I can't use Leopard because, even though this year I finally moved up to using an OS X native email client (and found a solution to keep me from having to occasionally boot in straight OS 9) -- there's still some important programs I need Classic Mode for. They're too important for me to do without them and there are no OS X versions/no plans to develop any. ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Cloning Hangs G4 Quicksilver 867
Hiya Listers, With all the wonderful praise all over this list and the Net in general I've seen for both Carbon Copy Cloner and SuperDuper, I'm totally and completely shocked to say I'm having this problem -- I can't clone with either one of these programs, and worse, they crash the Finder. The Mac is a G4 Quicksilver 867 running Tiger (10.4.9) with two internal hard drives I want to clone to two partitions of a new OWC Mercury Elite Pro 500 GB external USB/Firewire drive. Both CCC and SuperDuper hang up in the cloning process -- the cloning process itself stops prematurely (well, CCC got through one drive once but said there were errors so I don't trust it) and then the Mac itself too (I have to reboot the Mac to get rid of the beachballs because relaunching the Finder kills it). I was having a problem getting the external HD to show up on my iBook -- I took that to the G-Books list and while it's OK now, I don't really know why, and Kris Tilford suggested over there a possible firmware issue (my OWC drive having the 934 chipset) with THAT. Well, could I be having a firmware problem interfering with the ability to clone? Or am I just about the only Mac user in existence who can't use CCC or SuperDuper? Thanks, ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Sleep Issue
Kris Tilford writes, On Aug 31, 2009, at 9:51 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: Verifying volume “USS Prometheus” USS Prometheus (NCC-71201), Nebula-class starship; -or- USS Prometheus (NX-59650/NX-74913), Prometheus-class starship. Which is it? It could make a big difference in available firepower if things get any more dicey. I'm guessing it's the Nebula-class since you're having sleep problems. If it is the old Nebula, you might consider upgrading to the Prometheus-class I noticed this too, and was wondering which starship he meant! ;-) and see if that solves your sleep issue? About Quicksilvers and USB hubs...I can't use a USB hub on my Quicksilver (867) either, only instead of refusing to wake from sleep, mine refuses to GO to sleep! :-P ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Sleep Issue
Steve Conrad writes, And I was thinking of the USS Prometheus which has Multi-Vector Attack mode :P That's NX-74913. Thanks for clarifying. :-) ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Is there a way to Lock email messages?
Dan writes, His Hers Macs Yup! Absolutely a necessity! I've been divorced almost a decade (no, not because of a Mac LOL), but while my ex-husband and I were together, we started out using one Mac -- mine, which I had just bought. The problem we had sharing the one Mac wasn't one of us getting to see the other's emails, but rather we both wanted to use it too much, and only one of us could use it at a time. A year later I bought a second Mac, gave him the original one, and he networked them with the printer so we could share that. We didn't have any more problems over who gets to use the Mac after that, so it worked out well. Much more recently, my boyfriend and I also obviously do the his and her Macs thing. He made an account for me on his dual gig G4 Quicksilver for when I'm up there and I've used it (to play my simmies on his 23 Apple Cinema Display!), but I also bring my iBook when I go to his place, and that's what I use to check email. I was going to create an account for him on my own G4 Quicksilver 867 for when he's here, but realized there's no need for it: when we do computer stuff here (other than him helping me with my upgrades!) it tends to be researching stuff on the web of simultaneous mutual interest, and I don't have any privacy or blowing surprise issues with him popping open Firefox. He was also bringing an iBook here too for awhile until it futzed out, but I just gave him a new one for his birthday so I'm sure he'll be bringing that when he comes over. ;-) ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Classic Won't Stay On
Hiya Listers, I've been having a little problem on my G4/867 Quicksilver (Tiger 10.4.9) in the last few days whereby when I click my little 9 icon in the menu bar to start up Classic, it boots up properly (mine is set so the OS 9 startup screen is visible) but it doesn't stay on (and therefore won't open the apps I need it for. Clicking on those apps in the Dock results in booting Classic, but it doesn't stay on that way either, and the apps don't open. If I shut down and reboot Mac, which I reset in System Prefs to boot Classic at startup, it boots, stays up and I can use those apps, but it shuts down again at some point later on. If I try to restart it, it does what I described in the previous paragraph. I was just thinking maybe this malfunction is because the Classic preference got corrupted and I could fix this problem by deleting it, but I was looking through all those .plist files and can't figure out for the life of me which one is for Classic. So...does it sound to any of you like a corrupted .plist for Classic is my problem, and if so, which of the .plist's needs to be deleted? If you think it's something else, kindly elaborate. Thank you, ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Classic Won't Stay On
Clark Martin writes, Do you mean you set Startup Prefrences to boot in OS 9? Classic is OS 9 running under OS X. If you're booted in OS 9 and having the problems then it isn't any plist. You have an OS 9 problem. I'd boot in OS 9 and start with holding down extensions to see if things work okay. If it does then use Extensions manager to enable OS 9 Base extensions only. Then start turning other extensions one by one. I'm sorry if I was unclear. Yes, I know Classic is OS 9 running under OS X -- I'm running in Tiger 10.4.9 and occasionally need to use older apps which require OS 9 but will run in Tiger if Classic is on. I don't boot in OS 9 anymore because for reasons I could never figure out, my Quicksilver stopped booting in 9 -- so I can't boot directly in OS 9. But until recently, I WAS able to boot Classic and run those apps in Classic under Tiger. In the System Preferences Panel, the Classic pane offers you a choice to start Classic at login and you select an OS 9 System folder from which to do it. So that's what I mean when I say my machine is set to boot Classic at login -- if I shut down the Mac, Classic boots and I can use it, but it doesn't STAY up, and if I try to start it up without shutting down and rebooting the machine again, in clicking the little 9 for Classic in my menu bar, I see an entire startup sequence for 9/Classic but it doesn't actually boot -- the little 9 is light instead of dark and those apps won't run. So I'd been thinking maybe Classic Prefs got corrupted, and was going to try fixing it by deleting the .plist, but I have no idea which of the zillion .plist's are for Classic ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrading a Beige
Liam Proven writes, Can one upgrade a Beige to a 400MHz chip? Yes. My old Beige Desktop started life with a 266 MHz processor, and my boyfriend put a 400 MHz chip in it. ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need to install both Classic and OS-X on old iMac's new hard drive, but how?
Tom writes, My mother-in-law, an elderly and stubborn lady (though nice) refuses to give up her old 1 GHz iMac (the half-soccer-ball novelty with the little monitor-on-a-stem sticking out of it) even though it dates from the Jurassic Period of computing and we all keep telling her she'd be better off with a new or at least newer iMac. She's had this Mac since she bought it new. The reason she wants to keep the old thing, says the sweet old thing, is that she has equally antique applications that she cannot bear to part with, and that can only run in OS 9 (such as an old genealogy program, an early word processor, solitaire games, etc.), and none of the newer iMacs can run Classic. She has simply got to run Classic, as well as OS-X for e-mail and surfing the web with Safari. We tried to persuade her to give up this old iMac when its hard drive died the other day, but she insisted on reviving it, so we bought a new 500-gig hard drive from OWC and installed it (and was that ever a nightmare, digging into the crammed-full innards of that stupid soccer ball). We also upped the ram to 1.5 gigs (I think it was). First off, Tom, please give your mother-in-law a great big hug for me and tell her I love her for the strength of her backbone! If her G4 iMac is Jurassic, that makes my G4 867 Quicksilver and G3/800 iBook Triassic, and although I'm sure I'm a good deal younger than she is, I'm just as stubborn and insistent about keeping them and being able to run in Classic so I can use ancient apps, which include an old genealogy program and old stuff for a game too. Now... we have to get both OS-9 and OS-X onto it. For some reason, none of the OS-9 installer discs that I've accumulated over the years will start up this Mac (while holding down the C key), but an OS-X Tiger disk will, and Disk Utility on the Tiger installer disk sees the new drive just fine, so the HD installation was successful. I did not install Tiger on the new drive because I'm worried that we may have to install OS-9 first, and then put OS-X on top of it. Is that how it's done, when you want both, and want to run Classic? A. You can put OS 9 and OS X on the same HD, but you have to make sure that the OS 9 Drivers box is checked when you format the drive. If you do that, OS 9 should install and run Classic A-OK, unless she needs a machine-specific install CD. This brings us to: B. Since you say your mother-in-law bought her iMac brand new, I suggest you ask her to hunt down the original system disks she got with it -- OS 9 installation is occasionally machine specific, and whatever she originally had installed to run her Classic before probably came from those...right? I had a problem with machine specificity on my iBook using one of my own various and sundry OS 9 CDs (which had worked on all prior Macs except my iBook) when I wanted to put 9 on there. In my case I ended up copying an OS 9 folder from my Quicksilver since I bought my iBook used and it didn't come with any system CDs, but it runs Classic fine. Or, am I wrong, and can we install Tiger first, and then put 9.2.2 on the same drive (maybe on a different partition) afterward? I have a disk called 9.2.2 Classic Install that will not start up this iMac, but I can view its contents in my G5, and it seems like maybe I could install OS-9 from the desktop of OS-X in the iMac. Am I right? In short, what would be the best way to install both 10.4.11 and Classic 9.2.2 on this old G4 iMac? C. Yes, you should be able to install Tiger first, then OS 9 -- as long as the OS 9 Drivers box is checked when formatting the drive, and you meet machine-specific installation disk requirements if any. If the version of Tiger on the original System disk is lower than 10.4.11, which it probably would be, the 10.4.11 Combo Updater (free download from Apple) will update it. Another idea I have about your problems with installation is -- does a Jurassic Mac like this even SEE the entirety of a 500 GB HD? Actually I'm not sure how that would affect installation, since both OS's won't require nearly that much room, but it makes me curious since I know already that when I have my boyfriend put those two 250 GB HDs into my Quicksilver, I have to also have him put an ATA controller card in because my Quicksilver will not see the entirety of an internal HD bigger than 128 GB -- so I think it's something to think about if you still have problems installing OS 9 and OS X on that HD formatted with the OS 9 drivers box checked and using the original system disks. ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list
Re: Need to install both Classic and OS-X on old iMac's new hard drive, but how?
Tom writes, Thanks, Yersinia and Taner. Well, I can start the old iMac up with the 10.4 installer disk, and then use its Disk Utility to format the new drive, but no matter how I try it (either Erase or Partition), I am not given any option to install any OS 9 drivers. It just doesn't offer that option. Am I missing it somewhere? Where should I look for it? When you go to the Erase tab in Disk Utility, immediately below the fields for the choice of Volume Format and the name to give the HD there's a little box for a checkmark next to text which reads Mac OS 9 Drivers Installed. If there's already a check in the box, you're OK, no need to do anything. But if the box has no checkmark, you give it one by clicking the box. This has to be done for OS 9 to install and run on the system. And by the way, this old iMac does see the new drive as a 500 gig, or rather 460 or something. Wow, that's cool! I guess your mother-in-law's Jurassic Mac can do things my Triassic Mac can't! LOL Good luck! :-) ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
External FW HD/CCC Update, and G4 Mac Mini -- Help!
dead on me again! :-O I cannot get the Mini to boot at all now. Anyone have any idea what's going on? Thanks, ~Yersinia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Which PRAM Battery Should I Buy?
Hi Listers, My G4 1.5 GHz Mac Mini needs a PRAM battery. Does anyone know what brands/specs of PRAM battery this Mac takes? Googling didn't suggest any brands. I ask because someone on the swap list (with whom I've had a prior good dealing) is selling PRAM batteries -- I'd like to buy from him IF he's selling the correct battery for my Mini. This is what he's selling: 3.6 Volt 1/2 AA-sized Lithium PRAM batteries (2 brands: Saft LS 14250 C or Tadiran TL-5101/TL-5112/TL2150/etc.) So which of those can I buy, if any, and if not, what should I buy instead? Thanks, ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which PRAM Battery Should I Buy?
Dan writes, That's the right battery. Either brand is fine. Thank you. I'll email him about ordering one now. ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: A question never asked? until now...
Jeff Engle writes, it seems that for some reason, of which I still haven't figured out why, most G3-5er's don't do the ichat thing at all? You know that cool way of greeting people done so long ago? face to face! There!, I've said it, it's out in the open! I started this weird Mac obsession about eight years ago, not really an obsession, more like a slightly twisted hobby:-) with one idea among others that was to introduce me to people with similar like's and dislikes... this I believe I've achieved in a small way by the google list's. I would however like to push the envelope a bit, even though my attempt may be scrutinized a bit, and that is to say Anybody out there who doesn't suffer from a strange allergic reaction to seeing your own face on your computer? If so, I invite you to chat me sometime... my AIM buddy name is: twoapplen...@gmail.com I'm Yersinia3 on AIM. Since you gave your screen name here, I put you on my buddy list. Maybe we'll run into each other sometime...although admittedly I'm not signed on to AIM all that often anymore. Dunno why though. A few years ago there was no getting to sign OFF. Well, maybe I'll see you (and other G-Listers) sometime. ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Quicksilver Mini Update and Network Prefs Issue
Hi Listers, Sorry I haven't been back but with *most* of my problems solved, I've been too busy enjoying my Macs. :-) Anyway, present status: 1. After my BF replaced its PRAM battery, the Mini worked just fine. 2. My boyfriend helped me establish an Ethernet network (I have a hub) and KVM sharing/switching between the Quicksilver and Mini. (OOOH!! :-D) This network is almost fantabulous, except I somehow ended up with a minor issue with the Quicksilver's Network Preferences pane I have to fix to fully complete my vision (not to mention finally get off dialup in the next week or so: I just ordered a Verizon DSL and voice communications package today). Here's the problem -- when I go to System Prefs and click Network, I get this dialog box that says Your network settings have been changed by another application. I click the OK in this box, but it keeps popping up in my face, it won't go away, I can't actually get at my network preferences. The only way to make that weird dialog box go away is to force quit System Prefs! When I discovered this originally (over the Thanksgiving holiday weekend when me and my BF were setting this up), I had planned to set the Quicksilver's network prefs so that the Mini could show up on its desktop (this is the minor issue I referred to above). I still want to do that, but I'll also have to get in there I'm sure when I get my DSL modem from Verizon and I need to set that up. I suspect the possibility that the Network pref pane got corrupted somehow and I can fix it by deleting it, but I'm afraid to chance losing my settings, which I can't get at, and I still need to use my existing dialup account until I get the DSL up and running. Does anyone know if my suspicion to delete com.apple.NetworkDiagnostics.plist is actually the solution, and if I do it, will I lose my existing dialup internet settings? Oh. G4 867 Quicksilver running Tiger 10.4.11. One more quickie question: I decided to unmount one of the Quicksilver's internal HDs from the Mini, then decided I wanted it back, only when I go to Network (from either a Sidebar or the Go menu in Finder), it no longer offers that drive -- it's greyed out. Anyone know why? Thank you so much, ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3 problems
Gorka writes, I have an old 233MHz beige G3 desktop I workin with at a hobby. last week I installed a trio of 128Mb SIMMs I bought through LEM Swap. I exchanged the old memory for the new one following the Apple instructions per the manual (and after checking through the net) and restarted the computer. hardware started, but got the bomb dialog telling me there was a prolem with some app and asking me for a secure reboot through the keyboard. At that time I had only an USB keyboard as my ADB one was at home. Today I finally got my old ADB keyboard, opnened the case again, reseated the memory and hit the power up buttom in the keyboard. ... to no avail. I got the three lights in the keyboard, the PSU started t whirl... and after a couple seconds the machie shut down. Opened it again, checked everything was OK, all the connections secure,put back the old memory SIMMs, closed and tried again to boot, getting the same results. The machine is a beige desktop, 233MHz G3, 128 + 64 + 32Mb SIMMs , one PCI slot with 2xUSB 1.1 and 2xFirewire 400, one 10Gb and one 40Gb HD and running Mac OS 9.1. The machine was recently resurrected after being unused for five years and it ran smoothly until the memory swapt. Any ideas? Maybe the PSU failed? Besides the memory SIMMs nothing else have been touched Ooooh, a Beige G3/233 Desktop! I had one of those! OK, down to business. Here's what I'd do if I still had my Beige and was in your position: You don't mention if you pressed the CUDA button when you installed the new memory, so I'd recommend reseating the RAM yet again and pressing the CUDA button. If that doesn't work, I'd zap the PRAM (hold down the cmd-opt-P-R keys while pressing the startup button. If that doesn't work, I'd go for an open firmware reset. To do this, hold down the cmd-opt-O-F keys while starting up. When you get the command line, type: 1. reset-nvram (hit enter) 2. set-defaults (hit enter) 3. resett-all (hit enter) If none of these things work, and, since you also mention that the Mac had worked fine but had also been unused for a long time -- I was just in this situation with another PPC Mac (the fact that it hadn't been used in a while), a Mini, and when the PRAM battery was replaced, it worked fine. So if none of the above work for you, your Beige's PRAM battery may need to be replaced. Also, older Macs like that sometimes act wonky if you don't rebuild theier desktops. If you get this Beige to boot again, I'd suggest a desktop rebuild too. (hold down apple-opt keys while booting, then tell it yes when it asks to rebuild the desktop). Good luck! ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver Mini Update and Network Prefs Issue
Dan writes, Go into the Security system preferences and check the item to make it lock your system preferences. What's happening is that the Network pane is comparing its stored settings against the live settings currently running (that were updated by the DHCP client) - and complaining that there's a difference. Locking things will make that complaint go away. Dumb bug. Ooooh wow! Thank you, I did this and I'm able to get into my Quicksilver's Network prefs pane without that PITA dialog box. :-D Did the drive spin down on the QS? U, how would I be able to tell if it had? Would it be a good idea to reboot both the Mini and the Quicksilver to reset all this stuff? Also, how come I still don't have Network in my QS's sidebars even though I do in my Mini's?) Tip: While the drive is mounted, make an alias of it. Then you can remount it simply by double-clicking that alias, without having to go into the Networks pane and waiting for it to refresh. Presuming I can ever get it to remount on the Mini, I will. Think I'll try it with the other QS HD (which I never unmounted), though. If I have the aliases, then I only need those and can unmount the real ones? Thanks again, ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Looking for Older Onyx
Hi Listers, Google was unable to help me find an OLDER version of Onyx. I need one to run on my G4 Mac Mini, which is and needs to stay on 10.4.2. The earliest Onyx I was able to find for Tiger required 10.4.3 minimum. I have Onyx 1.7.5 running on my Quicksilver, but the QS was on 10.4.7 or 10.4.8 back when I picked that up. I think I recall it required 10.4.7 minimum, which was and still is OK for the QS (now on 10.4.11), but I need one for the Mini. Are the Tiger versions of Onyx OK, or does anyone have a 10.4.2-minimum Onyx they can email me? Thanks! ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver Mini Update and Network Prefs Issue
Dan writes, Aside -- Please do not invent quoting methods. Please quote text normally: use a at the beginning of each line quoted. Most email clients will do this automatically for you when you reply. Manually enclosing whole areas of text in angle-brackets does not make it obviously quoted to the eye. Nor is it automatically recognizable as quoted text by the mail client. And worse- it makes the Mac think there might be a URL in there, so it spends time trying to analyze it. U-HUH? I've been on LEM lists since 2003 and NOW there's a problem with how I post? The quoted comments in here method is how I saw it done on mailing lists (LEM and ones I'd been on in the mid and late 1990s) originally. I didn't invent it, I learned it from being on email lists. My emailer, Thunderbird, brings up a blank body with no quoting at all when I hit reply, so I paste in the text I'm replying to. I recall it being the same for my prior emailer, ClarisEmailer, as well. (I do this for ALL email, not just list email). Yes I've noticed the changes in how other posters post over time and I usually find it confusing, so I kept with what I originally learned so at least I can understand my own posts! LOL But, OK, if the quoted text all goes in here method actually confuses the Mac to think there's an URL, I'll just use quotation marks and not the brackets. (Or maybe I'll just paraphrase who I'm quoting so I don't have to worry about any kind of quotations!) See, now you're driving me to invent! Anyhow, back to Mac stuff, you said I could find out if my QS drive had spun down if there was less noise from the box, and that I should open the drive to hear it spin up. The answers to that are: 1. The QS has always been a nice quiet machine -- I almost never hear it at all. The only noisy component of my collection here is the external HD, which is on all the time so I can make immediate backups whenever I have to, and that thing is loud enough to make eveything else seem absolutely dead silent. 2. Respectfully, no, I can't open up the QS's drive. Remember I can't do anything mechanical, and even if I could, I'd hesitate about doing it with the QS powered on, which, for the drive to spin up or down, it would have to be. Right? Or maybe I'm just totally not getting this. And even so, if the machine is on, the HDs are good (I know they are) and the network is set up properly, if the drive did spin down/go to sleep while I wasn't using it, it would awaken/spin back up next time I accessed it, wouldn't it? Thanks for the instruction on Finder Preferences, Sidebar pane to get the QS to show the Network in the sidebar. It works great. :-) Mounting aliases of HDs from networked Macs seems to be pointless, though. I had the QS's HD Nucleolus mounted on the Mini and I made an alias of it. It worked, as in I could get in and at all the files by clicking on the alias, but it kept popping up the original real icon for the HD -- so why bother with the alias? And while I was able to fix the QS's Network settings since killing that bug (thank you for the lock-clicking in Security tip), The QS's other HD will still not remount on the Mini at all (it's greyed out when I go to select it), and the Mini will only occasionally and temporarily mount on the QS. (it disconnects!) Oh well, even though there are still these couple of minor issues, having the Mini up and running, and the network/KVM system AT ALL, is so vastly better than the way it was before, so perhaps I should just shut up and learn to live with the minor issues! Thanks, ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Looking for Older Onyx
Ted writes, See http://www.titanium.free.fr/pgs/english/apps.html for all your Onyx needs... Thank you for the link, but I found that yesterday and downloaded the 1.8.5 one since it said Tiger, only it turned out to have a minimum system requirement of 10.4.3 (my Mini runs 10.4.2, yes, deliberately). Anyway, I just took a shot out of the blue and copied my Onyx 1.7.5 from the Quicksilver (even though that runs 10.4.11) to the Mini. It opened and while it seems to be taking a zillion years to do it (seriously, about half an hour: I started it and left it to run while I cooked and ate brunch), it's forcibly emptying the Trash like I told it to. Seems it's taking way too long to do this, though. Maybe I'll download the Panther version and see if that will run on the Mini. ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Looking for Older Onyx
Dan writes, Do not run the Panther version on Tiger. As with most maintenance/utility/tools - using older versions on a newer OS is rarely a good plan and could damage things! Until we find the right vers If you say what tasks you're trying to perform we can probably provide the Terminal commands to do it... My original reason for wanting Onyx on the Mini was because I had to force Empty Trash. Then I realized that although it's not a daily thing, I have liked having Onyx on the Quicksilver and occasionally run the cleaning and maintenance routines, so why not have it for the Mini too? Don't worry, I couldn't get the Panther version to even install on the Mini. Update: The version I had on the Quicksilver (I moved a copy over to the Mini) force emptied the Trash for me but I had to force quit it when I had it doing other cleaning things (sorry I can't recall which exactly) - I had set that up and let it run two hours or so while I went grocery shopping! But it was still going when I got back, and it just seemed so wrong that it should take that long. I don't recall it taking that long on the Quicksilver! Anyway, when I have time I'll open up Onyx and make a list of the things I do with it on the Quicksilver, which I'd like to do on the Mini. Thank you. ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Writing on the wall...
Illirik writes, Who uses Firefox? My boyfriend does. I have it on my Quicksilver and iBook for him to use when he's here if he doesn't bring one of his laptops (he has a Windoze one for work and also an iBook), but for me alone it's just a backup browser -- I like Safari...don't ask... ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dead Drive?
On 10/31/10 8:04 AM, AndersFager wrote: Folks, Installed a brand new 500 gig hd in a G5 iMac. The old one had issues. For reasons unknown Disc Utility has problems even formating the damned thing. And refuses to partion it. Disc Warrior does not even see the new drive. What can be wrong? The machine has a new battery and from what I can make out the drive and the fans start ok, the screen works. Anders Before pronouncing the drive dead -- in addition to trying all those other suggestions -- see what happens with a magic cable. That can tell you if the problem is the drive itself or not. Something like this: http://www.newertech.com/products/usb2_adaptv2.php (However, on the other hand, I just had an issue with my Quicksilver involving one of my HD's cables having decided to die on me the VERY FIRST time I was trying to boot up after reconnecting The Network since moving in here!...talk about SCARY...) I AM planning to buy a couple of magic cables anyway though in the very near future. ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Yet-another boring viral FUD panic.
On 10/31/10 11:50 AM, Dan wrote: Koobface. heh. A good read. See also the links at the end of their page. http://rixstep.com/2/20101029,00.shtml - Dan. Sorry, but I just can't resist... the hoops an eejit has to jump through to get 'infected' redefine the word 'stupidity'. Which IMO is defined by joining any of that Facebook, Twitter, MySpace crap in the first place... ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Anti-virus for Mac
On 11/2/10 11:48 AM, Dan wrote: Clam and ClamXav were just recently updated... (get the version 2 beta - it's stable, not java, works well) http://www.clamxav.com/ And now Sophos is offering a free version of their anti-virus tool http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/articles/2010/11/free-mac-anti-virus.html - Dan. Out of curiosity, I actually downloaded both of these. Decided to start with the ClamXav version 2 beta first, and it's been running for pushing a couple of hours now! It's STILL scanning my G4 Quicksilver 867's 60 GB HDD. No infections are listed yet but this came up at some point: Starting scan… do not upload it somewhere! My objects .crash.log I don't know WHEN that appeared because I had KVM'ed over to the Mini for awhile and just noticed it when I came back to the Quicksilver...and I have no idea what it means, seeing how there's nothing in the Infection Name area. Anyhoo, is virus scanning SUPPOSED to take this long? I'm thinking I probably won't bother with Sophos because I don't want to tie up my machines for hours. Or maybe I'll try it on the iBook, but won't have any reference point to compare speeds between Sophos and ClamXav. Dunno. Geeesh, is this what Windoze users have to do all the time?!?!? ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Anti-virus for Mac
On 11/3/10 9:55 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Nov 3, 2010, at 5:41 PM, Yersinia wrote: Out of curiosity, I actually downloaded both of these. Decided to start with the ClamXav version 2 beta first, and it's been running for pushing a couple of hours now! It's STILL scanning my G4 Quicksilver 867's 60 GB HDD. No infections are listed yet but this came up at some point: Starting scan… do not upload it somewhere! My objects .crash.log I don't know WHEN that appeared because I had KVM'ed over to the Mini for awhile and just noticed it when I came back to the Quicksilver...and I have no idea what it means, seeing how there's nothing in the Infection Name area. Make sure there isn't a dialog window waiting patiently where you can't find it, or that it hasn't simply crashed...it IS a beta after all. Anyhoo, is virus scanning SUPPOSED to take this long? I'm thinking I probably won't bother with Sophos because I don't want to tie up my machines for hours. Or maybe I'll try it on the iBook, but won't have any reference point to compare speeds between Sophos and ClamXav. Dunno. It's sort of like Spotlight...the first time takes forever, but both Sophos and ClamXAv can be configured to do on Access scanning, which is considerably faster; files are only ever scanned if the system touches them. Nope, no hidden dialog boxes...at least none behind or below the main window, and nothing in the Window menu anywayanyplace else I should be looking? ..and, hmmm...NOW it looks like it might have crashed. Before when I wrote my prior post, I could see filenames whizzing by, now it's stuck on one so that's why I think it might have crashed. OK, thanks for the heads-up about a first time virus scan being like Spotlight/taking forever. Maybe I will try Sophos after all. But... what IS Access scanning and what do you mean by files are only ever scanned if the system touches thsm? By the system do you mean OS X? ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Anti-virus for Mac
On 11/3/10 11:36 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Nov 3, 2010, at 7:10 PM, Yersinia wrote: OK, thanks for the heads-up about a first time virus scan being like Spotlight/taking forever. Maybe I will try Sophos after all. But... what IS Access scanning and what do you mean by files are only ever scanned if the system touches thsm? By the system do you mean OS X? on access scanning means that when files are read (for the first time in a session) or written they're scanned. It's sort of like spotlight which only indexes when files are changed. Both programs insert themselves into the OS so that when files are read or written; they scan the file before the OS can do anything. Oh wow, OK! But that sounds a lot like lysogeny to me! LOL! ( is there a microbiologist in the house? ;-) ) If this sounds a lot like what malware would do, you're right. Some years back a Sophos update decided that a bunch of Microsoft application support files were viruses. A LOT of folks suddenly ended up with fubared Office installs, and a lot of IT folks cursed Sophos that day. ROFLMAO! ...uh-HUH, definitely seeing this lysogenic virus incorporating its genome into the genome of the host cell so that ITS proteins will code instead of those of the host cell's ...and yeah, I know I shouldn't be laughing on account of all the trouble and aggravation those poor IT folks had to deal with on account of it, but just the IDEA that any version of a Mac AV application would have decided that ANYTHING MicroBorg on the systems were viruses just tickles my funnybone! . . . Anyway, I ran Sophos on my Quicksilver last night and no threats were found -- at least not on the big 60 GB HDD. There's also a 30 GB HDD in this machine, and I was just trying to figure out how to tell if THAT drive was checked too (the help isn't really all that great, but Google is my friend and they do have a forum I noticed). Once I'm sure of that, think I'll also run it on the Mini and iBook since they aren't Internet virgins either -- the iBook in particular but on rare occasions, I actually have taken the Mini online. Thanks for the help, and the laugh. ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Anti-virus for Mac
On 11/8/10 2:52 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 1:26 AM, Ashgrovesalum...@gmail.com wrote: Nov 3, 7:41 pm, Yersiniayersi...@myfairpoint.net wrote: Geeesh, is this what Windoze users have to do all the time?!?!? Yes, siree, Bob. That's life on the other side. I did the same thing out of curiosity, and downloaded Clamxav Beta 2 to my Intel iMac. It took 20 minutes to diagnose that there were zero infections found. Meh. On one of these lists, probably this one, was it not determined less than 2 months ago the no one had seen a Mac virus ? Nor felt a any palpable threat by one. I had reported that an Mac IT guy here in our mass media department who administers a staff of techies and hundreds of Macs dismissed any such threat. It's true, Bruce and Dan have both repeatedly said that Macs on OS X do not need AV, and seeing how I wasn't having problems with my Macs which I thought might be on account of viruses, I wasn't running any AV programs at all and was perfectly comfortable. Prior to this past week, the last time I ran any kind of AV was circa 1999, using Disinfectant. It was solely for reasons of curiosity from the recent discussions here that I decided to pick up ClamXav Beta 2 and the Sophos AV program and give 'em a try to see what would happen, just for the hell of it. And, as it happened: ClamXav was taking so long I decided to just quit it and I tried the Sophos program. Sophos was fast, took less than an hour I think (I didn't time it but subjectively it didn't feel like it was taking forever, and it finished its scan on its own), Well, what a surprise (NOT!) -- according to Sophos, my Quicksilver is not infected with any viruses. So I'll run Sophos on my Mini and iBook soon -- another just for the hell of it thing. I don't really believe that the Mini and iBook actually have any viruses, though. ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
BW: Is It or Isn't It? (Silly Senile Question). . .
Hi Listers, The current running thread about Yosemite BW upgrades made me wonder if MY BW was also a Yosemite. I never knew its codename for sure like I did my old G3 Beige desktop, the Gossamer. My BW is the 450 MHz one, and Everymac.com says it's based on Yosemite architecture but doesn't say anything else or specify outright that it's actually a Yosemite. So do any of you know: is it a Yosemite, or isn't it? And if it isn't, what is it, and can someone please tell me where do we go to find out these things? I thought Everymac.com was the place for this and can't believe I couldn't find this out from there. Thanks! ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Ungrateful Apple abandons older Mac service
On 12/2/10 7:54 PM, James Therrault wrote: On Dec 2, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Dan wrote: At 8:44 PM -0800 12/1/2010, Jonas Lopez wrote: a minor wise point here - if you are ever in your car and a storm causes electric overhead wires to fall on the car and you can see sparks outside -- DO NOT MOVE, DO NOT GET OUT OF YOUR CAR - you are in no real danger provided your not a part of the ELECTRIC CIRCUIT Correct. - the metal of your car is ELECTRIFIED but the tires will prevent it from burning since they act as a nice insulator. Incorrect. The tires are not made of pure rubber. They are made from a blend of rubber, synthetics, metallics, etc. Then there are those pesky steel belts. IOW, your tires are *great* conductors. They are (luckily!) NOT insulators. You don't get electrocuted, as long as you're inside the car, because the current is passing thru the metal chassis, thru the tires, to ground. Some of the current is going thru you, but it's a trivial amount, as electricity prefers the better route - thru the tires to ground. It might be worth mentioning that the car acts as a Faraday (sp?) box whereas most of the voltage/current remains on the outer perimeter. The way out of this is NOT TO STEP OUT as that will complete the electrical circuit and you will be toast. Correct. If you were to step out of the car, while still in contact with the chasis, then the current would use you as the better route to ground. That would be bad. BUT if you can jump out BEING SURE YOUR TOTALLY IN THE AIR then you can exit the car with no problems. But to take that flying leap... Current jumps at the rate of about 10,000 volts per inch. You better clear the car completely, *and* all the wet pavement, by quite a bit... This is totally not recommended. The best thing to do is just sit tight until the power is turned off. Yesh. Personally, I think I'll just stay indoors during a thunder-and-lightning storm! :-O Refinance Now 3.4% FIXED $160,000 Mortgage: $547/mo. No Hidden Fees. No SSN Req. Get 4 Quotes! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4cf83fd468aef58413dst02vuc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Internet video sourced and display on G4
On 12/6/10 9:00 PM, Jonas Lopez wrote: Internet video sourced and display on G4 Santa went shopping at Best Buy and saw Goggle Internet Television tag line. I try to keep up but what is this? So I naturally Goggled it and sure enough apparently we can now watch TV using the Internet as the source. No more rabbit or mouse ears, humdrum. OK Lister's, can my Mac G4 show TV from Goggle or whom ever? What do I need to try? JML I'm a designated FREE SPIRIT HITCHHIKING on the Information Super Highway Probably try www.hulu.com ? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Password protect
On 12/13/10 4:36 PM, John Carmonne wrote: On Dec 13, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Dan wrote: At 9:44 AM -0800 12/12/2010, John Carmonne wrote: I want to password protect certain HDD's in my G5 PM Dual 2.7 It has 5 drives and I want to block access to three of them. Can I do this? Block access to whom/what? and for what purpose? If I let people use my computer I don't want them to have access to all the HDD's on the particular machine. It's easy to do it with an external, just turn if off but an internal is different. Curiously, can't you do a Get Info on the HDDs you don't want others to use and set the permissions for no access (except for yourself, of course?) Or if there are particular people to whom you habitually grant access to your computer, make accounts for them and set it up so only YOUR account can access those HDDs you want to keep private for yourself only -- or set up a generic account for 'anyone who wants to use my G5' to which you give them the password, and from which those HDDs are not accessible? ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Where's the trash?
On 1/3/11 10:26 PM, Dan wrote: At 6:52 PM -0800 1/3/2011, Jeffrey Daile Engle wrote: I want to know where the Folder is that holds the trash? is there such thing? And what are you plotting to do to them? In your home folder, there's ~/.Trash and up at the root level of the volume is /.Trashes Because the names start with a dot, they're automagically invisible to Finder. If they're invisible, how do you know they're there? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver HD backup problem
On 1/11/11 11:28 PM, tonycd wrote: Hi. I have a Quicksilver 2002 G4 with an OWC 1.8 Ghz CPU upgrade. The hard drive is a Seagate Barracude IDE 80 gig drive. It’s a few years old, but has gotten only moderate use. The computer is working perfectly, but I’m unable to back up the hard drive contents by any of several different methods. I’ve tried cloning the HD contents to my external FireWire drive, using both Carbon Copy Cloner and Super Duper. In each case, the clone operation starts but then stalls within a matter of minutes. With CC Cloner, it states at the very beginning of the cloning operation that “There may be a physical problem with the disk.” When I check the option to continue, it runs for maybe 5-10 minutes, copying maybe 2 gb or so, then freezes. With Super Duper, it starts normally, runs 5-10 minutes, then states that some particular file “can’t be read or written” and freezes. With either program, I can’t opt to “stop” the cloning operation, you can’t force-quit the program, and I’m forced into a hard restart using the power button. I tried running Disk Warrior, which detected very little out of the ordinary, and Disk Utility, which found very little was amiss with the disk permissions. Neither made any difference, and the cloning attempts still failed. Well, whatever that very little was out of the ordinary and very little was amiss sounds to me like reason(s) why this drive is failing. Do you care to specify what exactly WAS out of the ordinary and even a little bit amiss? The hard drive isn’t making any untoward noises, and the computer is operating perfectly normally. But having irreplaceable old Classic apps, family photos and business data at risk makes me really, really nervous. Could the problem be something other than the hard drive? I don't think so. I'm usually the LAST person around here who will suggest that a fellow Lister with a malfunctioning item should go buy another one -- but in this case, I have to suggest it. IMO, your would-be backup drive sounds like it's fried. Dead or dying HDs (either external or internal) don't ALWAYS make weird noises -- the first one that died on me, which was my object backups are important lesson, ate 50,000 words of the novel I was writing with nary a sound or a sign until it was Too Late. A backup system is CRUCIAL -- this is a necessity, not a toy, particularly if you have business data and irreplaceable apps of ANY kind. Oh and BTW, I also just had to get a new external backup drive too -- MINE just dropped dead last week -- had its second failure within three months and I totally freaked! OK at least I had my flash drives but STILL... Finally got the new one in and the QS and Mini are all CCC'ed as of today; will CCC the iBook tomorrow. Hope you resolve this SOON. It's IMPORTANT! ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver HD backup problem
On 1/12/11 10:25 AM, tonycd wrote: Thanks for replying, Yersinia. I appreciate that you bothered. When I referred to the very little was amiss, I meant the computer's own HD showed discrepancies that were truly insignificant in both number and type. Stuff like two files (the same two that have done so for the entire life of the computer) should have been named X and were named Y. I don't think they were red flags at all. Personally, I think that anything that doesn't wash totally clean is something to always keep an eye on. On the other hand, I'm hitting my palm to my forehead Homer Simpson- style at your realization (which somehow escaped my densehood entirely) that the HD problem might be not the computer's HD, but that of the backup. I have no idea how this never occurred to me. Maybe it's just the psychology of thinking well, it's my BACKUP, or maybe it's that the backup is still putting its icons on the desktop in a timely manner, showing up in Disk Utility, and starting to back up before the cloning operation then quits. LOL, well, right now I'm coming out of almost a year's worth of intermittent issues with my backup drive, so I may be prejudiced too. But yes, external backup HDs are just as able to fail as regular-use internal HDs. ...which is also why I TRY to keep a triple-redundant backup scheme, for my most important data at least. I will also mention I have to do everything on the as-cheap-as-I-can-get-away-with budget plan. My normal backup scheme (i.e., when I am NOT having issues with the external HD...which is all the time between failures! LOL)... My regular-use HDs: 2 internal drives on my G4 867 Quicksilver (60 GB and 30 GB respectively, 1 internal drive on my G4 1.5 GHz Mini (40 GB), and my iBook G3/800's HD (30 GB). For the past year I've been going with a 500GB external HD with three partitions as the backup drive: I have a 500 GB HD in a USB enclosure, with 3 partitions on it (one for the QS, one for the Mini, one for the iBook). So my backup scheme is as follows: 1. Primary Backup for all systems -- the external HD. All three of my Macs are FULLY backed up to the external HD, and I maintain with incremental backups daily (for each Mac used: if I used and backed up the iBook yesterday, but don't use the iBook today, I don't have to update its backup today). 2. Secondary Backup: The most important stuff on The Mini and Quicksilver is backed up on EACH OTHER. So if the Mini and the external HD go down, I can get at the stuff and use it on the QS, If the external HD and Mini go down, I can still get it and use it on the QS. 3. Tertiary Backup: The iBook, being my portable fusion of the QS and Mini, is naturally the tertiary backup of the QS and Mini. If the Mini, QS, AND external HD were to ALL fatally malfunction AT THE SAME TIME -- the most important stuff I have is on the iBook. And if the iBook drops dead, if/when I get a replacement, I'd be able to fully load it with either the external HD OR the QS and Mini! The only hole in my backup system at this time is that I don't have a REMOTE (off-site) backup. Prior to very recently, I didn't have one due to (a) not enough money to buy a SECOND 500 GB external HD, and (b) not having any reasonably accessible place to KEEP a remote backup if I had one. I also have to admit I was sort of rolling my eyes at the idea because what good is weeks- or months- old data; if I crash today and can't restore from yesterday's which is right here (i.e., somewhere in the house), the loss is already significant at best, at least with regards to my current doings. Well, OK, with one of my recent changes, now, it occurs to me I could keep a remote backup at my BF's house and could set a weekly update schedule. But right now money is tight again. Maybe in the spring or summer when I don't have to spend virtually all my non-rent and non-food money on heating oil and other necessities (like the one PRIMARY backup). Glad you have stuff to think about, Tony, and I'm glad if I was able to help you at all. It's been a very long time since I could do anything useful at all. Take care! ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Appleworks problem
On 1/17/11 10:57 PM, Dana Collins wrote: On 1/17/11 9:43 PM, John Callahan of jcalla...@stny.rr.com sent On Jan 17, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Wm. Arnold wrote: Hi Group, I would like to know what replaces Appleworks. I am using G4 G5 Power PC's with OSX10.4.11 I do not want to put OS9 on them. Wm Nothing replaces Appleworks :-( :-(:-( :-(!!! Here, here! AppleWorks rocks! Though I am trying hard to get used to Pages' syntax (not easy, imho). I have used AppleWorks 6.2.9 in Leopard for quite some time now, both PPC and Intel. Have not tried it in Snow Leopard. Appleworks rocks, YEAH!! Wow, didn't know it would work with Leopard or on a Macintel. I've been running 6.2.9 since I was on OS 9, and kept it when I got Tiger but I'm still with my PPCs (now running 10.4.11 on the Quicksilver 867 and iBook G3/800). ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: help, i'm going deaf!
On 1/18/11 10:59 PM, Jeffrey Daile Engle wrote: hThen when the chat is over, heaven forbid if I had itunes playing a song earlier, because the song is now 1400 decimals!! ...decimals?! ROFLMAO I didn't know numbers could be so earsplitting.ROFL!!! (I trust you meant decibels... ROFLMAOPIMP thanks for the laugh! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: frivolous question
On 1/24/11 6:42 PM, ah...clem wrote: another lister mentioned wanting to run some vintage apps, and it brought to mind one VERY vintage app - After Dark. tho it's a stoopid waste of time and resources, i just have to ask - does anyone know whatever happened to berkeley software? or if there is a current version of after dark (i can't find one), or a way to get them old after dark screensavers to run in OSX? i miss my flying toasters. :'o( Actually, I miss my Rat Race! :sigh: -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: wireless for powermac g4
On 1/25/11 11:56 AM, akhoff18 wrote: I recently acquired a Power Mac G4 Quicksilver (867mHZ, 1.25 gb RAM) and am in the process of upgrading and updating it. I've got most things on my list accomplished but I'm somewhat confused about what type of wireless would be best for this machine. From what I've read online it seems as though the Airport Card is the best way to go, as it was designed for this model (they are rather expensive unfortunately). However, on a recent trip to the Apple Store an employee told me I could simply buy a USB adapter for wireless and it would work just the same. I'm basically looking for a reasonably priced, yet efficient way of getting wireless for my desktop. Thanks so much! A USB adapter is just fine. In fact, I'm coming to you RIGHT NOW from my own beloved G4 Quicksilver 867, 1.5 GB RAM, and a Belkin 54g USB Network Adapter with a driver called Wireless Utility v 1.2.80u. Wireless performance of my Quicksilver with the adapter is just as good as the built-in Airport in my G4 Mini 1.5 GHz and my iBook G3/800. :-D -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Changing the breathing rate of a sleeping Power Mac G4
On 1/28/11 11:43 PM, Tina K. wrote:
On 2011/01/28 20:30, Sean Carroll so eloquently wrote:
I liked the way that, during sleep, the power button light on my old
Gig-E would fade and brighten. I don't know when Apple started with
this, but it was new to me in 2000. (I liked to point out this amusing
- but not useless - feature to non-Mac people
My first Mac was a Graphite iMac 600 MHz, the first time I saw it
'breathe' while sleeping I was in love with it. I wish that I still
had that adorable little Mac so I could give it a hug.
Silly and OT I know, but what can I say?
Actually it was my Powerbook 5300 where I first noticed that they
breathe while sleeping. My first 3 Macs (Performa 475, PPC 7200/120 and
Beige Gossamer (born a G3/266, later enhanced to G3/400) didn't do it
that I ever saw, but I've seen my 5300 and Lombard Powerbooks, and G4
Quicksilver 867 all doing it. I don't know if my G4 Mini does it,
though, since its power-on indicator is facing the wall side of the
hutch on my computer desk so I can get at the free USB port
easilyh lemme see, maybe if I'm careful enough I can turn it
around without loosening the AC adapter cordahhh. YES, it DOES! LOL
Maybe it's a New World Mac thing?
Oh and while I TOTALLY agree with both Sean and Tina on how cool (and
endearing) Macs are when breathing while sleeping, gotta say the one
thing I personally NEVER liked about ANY Mac design was where they put
ports and outlets. As far as I'm concerned, this aspect of the physical
design could have been done precisely to make things harder. I know, I
know, it's not aesthetic to have to see the nest so that's why they
did them this way, but most of the time, I can only appreciate
aesthetics when they ADD to the FUNCTIONALITY (like the breathing which
assures me that my Macs are OK and sleeping), not DETRACT from it! To wit:
For me, it's a major PITA to have to turn the whole damn computer (tower
or big desktop box) around so as to be able to see/get at the ports and
plug-ins to change a plug-in/make sure it's seated properly or try to
remember how/where you plugged something in if you're tracing lines
from the power strip. And why couldn't the Mini have its power-on light
by the power switch and the optical drive on the right or left side of
the panel with the power switch/pug-in/ports? Translation: why did they
have to force me to choose between being able to see the power light and
be able to easily access the optical drive at the expense of being able
to easily power on, PRAM Zap or plug in flash drives, speakers or
headphones? And who was the freakin' idiot who couldn't put ALL the
commonly used stuff (USB ports and AC-adapter plug-in) on the RIGHT side
of the iBook? (or all on the left) -- USB ports on opposite sides of the
AC-adapter gets me hopelessly tangled up when I need to use the mouse
while the machine needs to drink wall juice.
Ooops...Sorry... :-{
/rant off
/hijack off
~Yersinia
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Re: How to test PRAM battery?
On 2/2/11 11:12 AM, John Carmonne wrote: On Feb 2, 2011, at 8:01 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: On Feb 2, 2011, at 10:58 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: There's no way that I'm aware of. Maybe somebody else will chime in. Jeff Engle I've heard even though it may test at full voltage, if it's old and used somewhat, it may not stay at that level when used, or not be at its best ... whatever that means ... don't really know. I have the problem even with brand new ones mostly in PowerBooks, G3's and TiBooks. Oh, my. Does this mean that if a Mac's problem can indeed be traced to a malfunctioning (for whatever reason) PRAM battery and you buy a new one that tests good (with a voltmeter) and THAT doesn't fix it -- unless you have money to throw away buying PRAM batteries until you get one that DOES work -- you might as well give up on that Mac and use or sell it for parts? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: App to Delete Unused Languages, Printers, Modems
On 2/23/11 11:48 PM, Barney Guzzo wrote: Where do you get 1.3.9? I went to my usual places and all I see is the new version for 10.5 Yeah, good question. I could use Monolingual too since I'm getting tight on disk space -- but I couldn't find one that would work with TIGER. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: App to Delete Unused Languages, Printers, Modems
On 2/24/11 1:35 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: Barney Guzzo wrote: Where do you get 1.3.9? Yersinia wrote: Yeah, good question. http://sourceforge.net/projects/monolingual/files/monolingual/ Thank you Kris. I just downloaded it now. :-) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: App to Delete Unused Languages, Printers, Modems
On 2/24/11 2:34 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Feb 24, 2011, at 1:16 AM, Judith Berkowitz wrote: what should I choose to clear out in the Input Menu category? You can clear out all the foreign language input methods that you don't normally write or speak. You probably should keep the Apple Keyboard Layouts. These won't save much space, but wasted space is wasted space. Thank you for the tips, too, and You might want to do a search of your HD for larger size files to see about removing unneeded larger files. I don't remember if Monolingual gets the .mpg iMovie tutorials that are in foreign languages? It's probably not necessary to have tutorial QuickTime movies that are in German, French, and other languages, True enough! and if I remember correctly, these aren't removed by Monolingual because they're not language resource files, they're QT movies and there isn't any metadata saying the audio is in a foreign language. Perhaps this has changed, but I remember removing a lot of tutorial movies in foreign languages in the past which free'd up valuable space. Searching by size can help. A neat little GUI utility for visually checking file sizes is Disk Inventory X http://www.derlien.com/. Thank you once again, Kris. I downloaded this too. :-) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 933 Quicksilver
On 2/25/11 10:00 PM, Barney Guzzo wrote: Hi. I have a 2002 G4 933 Quicksilver. It has a 250 gb (Seagate) and a 128 gb (WD) ide drive, 500 gb sata drive, pci sata controller, pci gigabit ethernet card, pci 4 port 2.0 usb card, geforce ti 4600 128mb, and its connected to a a 23 Apple Cinema Display via ADC. I am using OS 10.4.11.This machine runs flawlessly and I have no problems. So what am I doing wrong? Any ideas? Yes, IMNSHO you are doing something HORRIBLY WRONG -- THIS POST! What is the MATTER with you?! You are dismally failing to just appreciate it when you've got one of those precious rare instances of something GOOD happening in the mostly sucky endeavor we call Life! In this case -- you have a beautiful Quicksilver which runs flawlessly and does everything you need it to do. BE THANKFUL! IMO upgrades are only NECESSARY when (a) the present computer no longer does what you actually NEED it to do (word processing vs. gaming, for instance: I mean heck, I bet an an old Mac Plus on System 6 would be enough for an obsessed writer who doesn't care about games, music, pictures or videos; but it sure as hell wouldn't do a graphics-intense and/or online game addict any good!), or, (b) the computer is running too slowly or is outright malfunctioning, which makes it way easier and maybe also even cheaper to buy a newer, better one instead of fixing or upgrading the one you have which has become insufficient or problematic. But if that NON-PROBLEMATIC Quicksilver 933 of yours IS doing everything you need it to be able to do, I think you should count your blessings, ENJOY it, bask in its beautiful sunlight and remember: IF IT AIN'T BROKE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO FIX IT. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Timer
On 2/26/11 8:27 PM, John Carmonne wrote: Is there a timer I can get for my Mac that I can set to remind me audibly of an elapsed amount of time to help with my cooking? I use the microwave's kitchen timer for cooking, but I suppose Alarm Clock, which I use for laundry, would do equally well for cooking. http://www.robbiehanson.com/ John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple Oompa Loompas!
On 3/4/11 10:10 AM, Dan wrote: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1948362 And make sure you CRANK up the volume for the singing Oompas! - Dan. Hmmm, is this something which requires Leopard, Snow Leopard or an Intel Mac? All I got (G4 867 QS/Tiger 10.4.11/Safari 4.1.3), for as long as I was willing to put up with it (not long!) was a black screen and really annoying interrupted dialog. I never got to see or hear anybody singing anything because I didn't have the patience to put up with the crappy reception long enough to make it that far. (on this note I also just plain stopped even trying to watch Accuweather.com videos awhile back for similar reasons; I got the video (out of sync but got it) but the interrupted stop-go-on-off audio crap drove me totally up the wall!) Oh well -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple Oompa Loompas!
On 3/4/11 7:46 PM, glen wrote: - Original Message From: Dandantear...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 2:26:27 PM Subject: Re: Apple Oompa Loompas! At 2:15 PM -0500 3/4/2011, Yersinia wrote: On 3/4/11 10:10 AM, Dan wrote: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1948362 And make sure you CRANK up the volume for the singing Oompas! Hmmm, is this something which requires Leopard, Snow Leopard or an Intel Mac? All I got (G4 867 QS/Tiger 10.4.11/Safari 4.1.3), for as long as I was willing to put up with it (not long!) was a black screen and really annoying interrupted dialog. It plays ok on my 933 MHz QuickSilver, under Tiger. Took a little while to get going tho. The site seems to be under quite a load. - Dan. Plays just fine. Well, one small hiccup on my 450 MHz Smurf (an overclocked 400 MHz) with 896 MB of RAM. Much better than most YouTube stuff. --glen :sigh OK, it just won't work for ME. I just tried again (it's lots of hours later than when I first tried)...no go, same crap. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple Oompa Loompas!
On 3/5/11 11:24 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: But am I the only one who feels Oompa Loompas are a bit creepy ? Kinda a hive mind thing ? Actually, I don't even KNOW what an Oompa Loompa looks like, and thought I'd find out by playing this video, but since it won't run on my Mac, their appearance will have to remain a mystery to me. I owned, so read the book Charlie and the Chocolate Factory numerous times when I was a kid (talk about dating myself here huh?), but I never saw the movie, and I can't recall the actual DESCRIPTIONS of what Oompa Loompas look like. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple Oompa Loompas!
On 3/5/11 4:41 PM, Geke wrote: Sorry it doesn't work on your Mac, Yersinia. Somehow it works OK on my G4 2x500. Maybe the hype is over by now? I'm on digest... Anyway, I think it's nice but not fabulous. The best part is where the guy rejects Bill Gates' offer! I recorded the thing with RealAudio, if you want you can download it from my Dropbox. It's 15 MB: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18327560/Charlie%20and%20the%20Apple%20Factory%20-%20CollegeHumor%20video.mp4 OK OK OK, guess what -- I just saw it -- on my QS 867! :blush: My poor QS needed to be cleaned up bad with Onyx! I was thinking not only was it bothering me to not be ABLE to see this video, but also how I was getting tired of how painfully slow it's been lately. S I updated my backups, ran everything Onyx had to offer in maintenance and cleaning, and QS is running much better. For the heck of it I tried to see the Apple Oompa Loompas again, and this time it worked. And now that I've finally seen it, I gotta say I agree with Geke here -- it's funny, but not piss-your-pants hysterical. Oh, and my favorite part was the Mac startup chime. LOL -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
