On 5/3/02 1:04 PM, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I am. I use a mac w/ OS X :)
Same here... Everywhere... :)
Me too. I'm hooked. TiBook wherever I go, dualie 800 at home. Can't go
back.
I can see a good reason
a jakarta
subproject, so there doesn't appear to be a downside for OJB to pursue this
if interested.
If you haven't read all the posts (and there was good discussion in them),
please do.
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I taught Eyebrowse to behave more politely to our international
friends and have installed the updates on nagoya.
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Holt not voted yet
Conor MacNeill +1
Geir Magnusson Jr. +1
Costin Monolache +1
Sam Ruby not voted yet
diane, sam could you please send your votes.
i think it is fantastic for both communities to have ojb here at jakarta!
martin
I'm +1, but I really want
model to use as a starting point.
Anyone have any comments?
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for technology, I
can't help but think of how far we might have gotten if MSFT hadn't
been so in the way all these years!
:) We'd probably be running UNIX on our desktops with a standard
and friendly GUI.
I am. I use a mac w/ OS X :)
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in the right direction?
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On 4/30/02 11:31 PM, John McNally [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do not know where to locate Turbine's original charter and I think it
is a good idea to try to follow
example of feature creep will be found in many subprojects.
And scope creep. Certainly happened to Jakarta. And I think that's
healthy...
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On 5/1/02 12:28 AM, John McNally [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 2002-04-30 at 20:38, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On 4/30/02 11:31 PM, John McNally [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do not know where to locate Turbine's original charter and I think it
is a good idea to try to follow
Doesn't Appreciate Jakarta As Our Name
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that you can (well, soon) legally implement JSR47's, you might was well
support their interfaces and semantics, and then 'embrace and extend'. Just
do the JSR47 stuff better :)
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We
:
Attached is a small screenshot of the maven page with a
white header.
Aaah WINXPCRAP! :)
Whatever hater ;P
It pays the bills, ya know what I mean?
So do my Mac's running OS X. (OS X is another story...) It's java! Come
to the light!
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.*, which it would have to be as 47 is part of
JDK1.4...
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... Anyone
that includes any functioning taglibs with a servlet container / jsp
implementation is extending the spec as there are no useful tags in the
spec.
I can't see how anyone can complain if you pass the TCK.
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On 3/29/02 11:05 AM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 30 Mar 2002 02:48, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On 3/29/02 10:40 AM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 30 Mar 2002 02:36, Danny Angus wrote:
Now that you can (well, soon) legally implement JSR47's, you
might
on threading, garbage collection, etc.
Dw
Dirk owns one now :)
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, and I agree - Jason, you came across as calm, cool and
collected
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Subject: Re: JakartaOne: The Gathering
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Can anyone come or do you have to be a Jakarta Comitter?
Anyone and everyone.
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Just so it has a new subject...
Current plan :
OK, we need to make a decision, pronto! Let's meet at 21st Amendment (563
2nd Street) at 7:30pm on Monday. We can take the rest from there.
Martin.
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. The meeting, which is
informal, will be on Monday.
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to oppose the opening
of the J2EE API's.
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on speculation and short on facts.
Me too :)
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very, very confident things are as they appear.
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that is in the
dvsl
project. It was so easy to do.
Also it fixed a few things that craig left out via copy() :)
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Subject: Re: Micro JakartaOne
On 3/15/02 12:52 PM, Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
on 3
. Long story short: you will
have PDF docs for BCEL sooner rather than later.
Did you try to use the printable target? There is a second stylesheet that
generates a printer-friendly version of the docs.
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a few things that craig left out via copy() :)
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hope you will have a great time during the meeting
and looking forward to hearing more about the details of it.
I hope we can get this together - how hard can this be :)
Any suggestions for a good restaurant anyone?
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magic like that?
Wouldn't it be great if there was a BMW 530 in my garage when I wake up
tomorrow?
(your cue, Jon... Blond/toledo, sport, cold, split seats, xenon)
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On 3/12/02 6:36 AM, Endre Stølsvik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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| Enough people have expressed interest in Jakarta One that I believe we
| should go forward, at least as a social gathering so we can see what we all
| look like.
Do you guys know
out the specifics (like what times are appropos) I'll be
happy to post the finaly announcement anywhere and everywhere. If we can
get it on Slashdot... :)
Anything else?
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Before anyone says anything, yes, I feel like a moron for spelling out geirm
at optonline dot net given that the From: is that and it's in my sig.
I have no idea what I was thinking.
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Enough people have expressed interest
make your own pile with your own
equipment and resources :)
geir
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Or call it usefull-tidbits or something :-), gossip@, watercooler@,
the-bar@, coffeshop@, wathever ;-) Something clearly meant for
out of scope things.
How about 'ot@'
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On 3/5/02 10:40 PM, Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey all,
I suggest that a few people step up to volunteer to make JakartaOne
happen
because
time, but with more than one person, we can judiciously
select if we have to.
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Ok, how does Tue, March 26th sound?
If that works, then I need you guys to pick a time range...
If we do that, we can do something technical as well in the Covalent space?
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A JakartaOne would be great.
Is this something that any Jakarta fan would be able to attend?
If it's on Monday or Tuesday there would be two Jakarta fans here that
would love to attend..
Open to anyone.
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If we do that, we can do something technical as well in the Covalent space?
I don't think that would be a good idea because then you would be asking
people
-simple for others to pitch in and help out
when all that is needed is a 'cvs update' once the material is ready.
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-None needed - except to override a veto..
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1-No seconding needed - just acceptance.
2-One seconding needed - and acceptance counts
as such too.
3-More than one needed.
4-None needed - except to override a veto..
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The question
be resolved?
This issue seemed to cause a bit of confusion this time round. If I recall,
we both had to be reminded to accept...
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components. Recently, my
major contributions to Commons seem to be non-cvs-related mail list traffic.
I don't expect many votes from there... :) I am also a very inactive
committer in one of the turbine sub-projects, stratum.
And I don't work for anyone at the moment :)
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outside Jakarta's mission statement
I thought the same of POI, but the most popular use case was claimed to be
on the server...
Every microsoft server requires a GUI, for example :)
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:)
And a rapid fire reset button.
There are three, right? CTL, ALT and DEL?
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The J2EE Compatible brand has achieved significant momentum over the past
two years, and we want to make sure that any
relevance other than we may be forced to run it to
get some of the services as an app client. Dunno.
This does bring up an interesting question : could EJBs possibly work for
Yahoo? (I bet not...)
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that his excellent and informed contributions to Commons, to Taglibs, and to
numerous mailing lists prove his value to the community.
- Morgan Delagrange
Serious +1
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Whoever would overthrow
to decide where jakarta is going, I'd like having them
decide for me.
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will find a new way of
making noise one order of magnitude higher!)
I have no clue how it works, but I can go in to try and fix..
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On 1/31/02 4:16 PM, Gerhard Froehlich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I wanna nominate Donald äääh Peter ;). Peter is a PMC member
in the moment!
I second the nomination of Peter Donald.
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would still be a top level project - it would
just then be a top level project in a group.
A little progress *has* been made in this area - Ted did group the projects
into buckets on the Jakarta home page, which might help people trying to
figure out what we are about...
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'fantastically cool projects' want to get in?
(Corollary (?!): Jon Stevens' vote is about 10 times bigger than
everybody elses.)
Nope. Some of us just tend to listen to him...
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to him...
I know.
As a complement to this: how is the deprecating system of Jakarta? If a
project dies, that nobody seems to update it, the list dies or something
like this, does it die away from Jakarta too?
It seems to - look at the calendar project :)
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to Jetspeed and made it a
subproject there (like -torque, -fulcrum, -stratum in Turbine and -dvsl,
-tools in Velocity, and - in Avalon)
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should include EJB functionality for those who
desire it while not requiring it for those who do not. There is also a
matter of licensing involved there.
What matter of licensing would that be? I can't imagine that you need to
talk to sun to *use* EJBs
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keyword meta tags which make it easy for
search engines to categorize the page.
HA! My evil plan worked. Now I can say that Ceki writes Velocity code. :-)
Who's next?
Craig...
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and if it needs a patch will create one too.
It will need the patch.
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experience that Jakarta projects are of generally high
quality with a solid community behind them interested in the real-world
success of the software.
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We will be judged not by the monuments we
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Considering you seem to be accusing me of blocking progress in commons I want
you to explain it in real simple terms how I am doing it? I seem to be a bit
think and can't quite figure it out.
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On 1/9/02 9:13 PM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:45, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On 1/9/02 8:30 PM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:24, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Here's a quick question - what makes that a rule? Ted putting
the compiler to detect errors is such a stupid idea. Real
programmers dont need that.
Real programmers don't use compilers...
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be good to move the full CVS access info into this area - whatever.
Let me know your thoughts.
+1 - the write-up would be great.
We in velocity land will do it for the next release.
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You're going
that they already have, please feel
free.
I think Conor meant that 'it' referred to the stuff he would put together..
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already propose that we do that? I remember
peter's +1, which got us started on our little scope thread...
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On the issue itself, isn't this something that should be uniformly done
across all Apache projects?
I would think that since it's part of the License, we want uniformity.
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You're going to end up getting pissed
On 1/9/02 8:30 PM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:24, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Here's a quick question - what makes that a rule? Ted putting it into a
file?
It is a legal requirement for the license to be valid.
Of course. What I am asking is what makes
@ that formed it into a rule.
Then, it was going to be added to a page that many will probably not see.
So what we've done is set things up for people to violate the 'rule' simply
out of ignorance.
Again, don't get me wrong - I agree 100% with the rule :)
At 20:24 09.01.2002 -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr
On 1/8/02 8:53 AM, Endre Stølsvik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
| My question is what are the consequences to forcing me to do #2 when #1 is
| perfectly acceptable throughout the professional world?
That syntax is so bleedin' ugly that I would
run faster.
It must be true - 90% of people I've worked with seem
to live by that principle.
Add to that the fact that if it was hard to write, it should be hard to
read...
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and understand
the value, or you are going to think it's an intrusive fussyness, which it
is, actually :)
I think most people buy into it and get it.
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On 1/7/02 12:53 AM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:39, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Shouldn't tomcat and httpd be in the same category?
different technologies (ie c vs java).
So what? You didn't think that mattered before.
what are you talking about ? When
On 1/7/02 11:20 PM, Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
on 1/7/02 8:10 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree with Sam here - you have to buy into the Gump nags and understand
the value, or you are going to think it's an intrusive fussyness, which it
is, actually
file?
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It would be interesting to see if we can use DVSL to transform your
formatting free XML data into something that works via the VSL. I'll help
if you are interested. Feel free to say no :)
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Found it amusing, especially #8.
http://www.lysator.liu.se/c/ten-commandments.html
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On 1/6/02 3:52 AM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:10, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I was leafing through my copy of A Pattern Language by Alexander,
Ishikawa and Silverstein, which is really about architecture of human
habitat (buildings and environs), and ran
On 1/6/02 8:06 AM, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I thought I would share, as my thinking about removing community containers
here in Jakarta, XML et al resonates well this.
Personally, I just think its mainly a matter of packaging. By
definination, we
in the jakarta tradition, would be an attractor
to users because of the popularity of ant.
However, I still worry about the effects on Jakarta.
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that happens to ;)
Drives me up the wall :)
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Here we go again,
Alas.
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From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 4:45 AM
Playing Devil's advocate. I think it's fair to push back on adding things
On 1/6/02 12:48 PM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 04:01, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Maybe we could just start having sub-catgories within Jakarta. So
basically Jakarta is still the top level project but we have a software
map underneath it that categorizes project
is
important.
I think I wrote that a message or to ago as well. More crossing the ether I
suppose.
- Sam Ruby
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be sustained to an arbitrarily large
size. I wonder if it can (I don't know), I wonder if the risk is worth the
possible upside, and I wonder if now isn't an appropriate time to consider
this issue :)
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and Perl be in the same category?
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On 1/6/02 3:54 PM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:27, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Shouldn't tomcat and httpd be in the same category?
different technologies (ie c vs java).
So what? You didn't think that mattered before.
Shouldn't Cocoon and PHP
On 1/6/02 9:10 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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On 1/6/02 12:58 PM, Paulo Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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If you start at the top of the thread, I
On 1/6/02 9:51 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My apologies. I'll shut up now until my brain un-freezes. :-D
-Andy
Sheesh. Give southerners a dusting of snow and all goes pear shaped... :)
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