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I guess it's not so much fun anymore!
Please! PLEASE! Take this elsewhere
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But I'm puzzled. As far as I can see you are using upward pointing arrows
to
highlight *two* mistakes. I obviously
On 11 Jul 2007 09:03:04 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
Dean
Sometimes I can't see the words for the letters!
...trying to hold back a force of nature. ;-)
I don't believe most people who use USS for UNIX System Services believe
they are using official IBM terminology - but I
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Chris Mason wrote:
Radoslav
[...]
Incidentally - only because I spell-check my posts - I may as well
improve your knowledge by pointing
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Chris,
Thanks for acknowledging and supporting my point. Discussions on this
list are certainly not official IBM communications. I believe,
therefore, we should
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I'm going to do this to inject a little levity (I hope)...
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Incidentally - only because I spell-check my posts - I
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Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Phil
But I'm puzzled. As far as I can see you are using upward pointing arrows
to
highlight *two* mistakes. I obviously can see fort - now - but your
arrows
do not identify it - even when copied to a file with non-proportional
font.
I can't see to what the other arrows refer.
The phrase If you
I guess it's not so much fun anymore!
Please! PLEASE! Take this elsewhere!
The above statement is correct!
It's not fun, anymore!
This is about mainframes, NOT religious wars on abbreviations!
Maybe this is why IBM is attempting another forum?
Ad hominem attacks do not belong here (or on any
In a message dated 6/30/2007 11:34:53 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
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an IBM developer has, in effect, had to rap the redbook authors on the
knuckles for talking about an
unofficial command thereby indicating how the redbook authors are
independent of IBM
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 06/20/2007
at 08:33 PM, Phil Smith III [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
USS is the (I believe) accepted acronym (or at least abbreviation,
if you say you ess ess rather than us) for MVS, OS/390,
and z/OS UNIX System Services.
IBM posted a message here claiming
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 06/22/2007
at 05:54 PM, Phil Smith III [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
That raises an interesting thought -- Linux for z/OS could mean a
z/Linux [yeah, yeah, I'm not an IBMer, I can use that term] that
exists to communicate with a z/OS machine.
Exists to or just is able to?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 06/22/2007
at 03:43 PM, Phil Smith III [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I'm all for correct terminology and precise communication, but in
this case it sounds like this is more of a TLA collision than an
incorrect term per se.
IBM maintains a list of official acronyms. That
Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Phil Smith - who initiated, albeit unwittingly, this fresh eruption - claims
rather oddly for a denizen of IBM-MAIN - that he is not a z/OS person.
One could, if one were so inclined, venture to suggest that anyone who thinks
that IBM Mainframe implies z/OS
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:28:29 +0200, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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And please be aware that your problem
, Profits, Flex and
Hercules)
Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I generally let the incorrect use of USS go by - *if* there's no risk of
confusion with the correct use.
snippage
This is fun, and enlightening. Ah, I looked up the pedantry thread in
my Deleted Items; I didn't read it at the time
wish to promote anarchy after all.
Chris Mason
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And then, when they point you to a PTF that will fix your problem, it
will probably have a comment in it like this one:
PROBLEM DESCRIPTION(S):
OA12191
Chris Mason wrote:
Radoslav
[...]
Incidentally - only because I spell-check my posts - I may as well
improve your knowledge by pointing out that it's Unformatted with
two ts.
[...]
I'm Radoslaw (Radosław in fact) and I don't use spell checker for my e-mails. 'unformated' was a typo, I'm
Chris,
Thanks for acknowledging and supporting my point. Discussions on this
list are certainly not official IBM communications. I believe,
therefore, we should be as free to use USS as an abbreviation for Unix
Systems Services as the folks who write IBM's APARs. Freer, in fact.
I also
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Chris Mason wrote:
[ lots of stuff ]
[ snip ]
I read all the posts, including yours. A lot of text.
Actually I have other duties as well, so I did not pay to
much attention to each of them. Now I'm trying
I'm going to do this to inject a little levity (I hope)...
Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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Incidentally - only because I spell-check my posts - I may as well
improve
your knowledge by pointing out that it's Unformatted with two ts.
Please do me the
Greg Shirey wrote:
And then, when they point you to a PTF that will fix your problem, it
will probably have a comment in it like this one:
PROBLEM DESCRIPTION(S):
OA12191 -
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:21:12 +0200, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In other words, the fact that Linux is not Unix, while USS is certified
as Unix is completely irrelevant.
Is is USS thats certified or is in fact zOS thats certified? Two different
things really.
Seb
I generally let the incorrect use of USS go by - *if* there's no
risk of confusion with the correct use.
Not again, please! Do it offline or search the archive.
Enough has been said about that.
Peter Hunkeler
CREDIT SUISSE
(was Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and
Hercules)
I generally let the incorrect use of USS go by - *if* there's no
risk of confusion with the correct use.
Not again, please! Do it offline or search the archive.
Enough has been said about that.
Peter Hunkeler
CREDIT SUISSE
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:28:29 +0200, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And please be aware that your problem reports may be misrouted if you use
USS rather than UNIX System Services. I would have expected you to care
about that at least!
Chris,
Most of us open PMRs via IBMLINK - when it is
And then, when they point you to a PTF that will fix your problem, it
will probably have a comment in it like this one:
PROBLEM DESCRIPTION(S):
OA12191 -
Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I generally let the incorrect use of USS go by - *if* there's no risk of
confusion with the correct use.
snippage
This is fun, and enlightening. Ah, I looked up the pedantry thread in my
Deleted Items; I didn't read it at the time because it was talking
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:43:57 -0400, Phil Smith III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In any case, and at the risk of retreading old ground, I'd like to know
what the official short form of z/OS UNIX System Services is. Surely there
is one?
z/OS UNIX
This is what I try to use - especially when posting
Clem Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pray tell, what is the real difference between the Unix Sub System or
OMVS (or whatever you want to call it!!). and VM running Z/OS (without
USS) and z/Linux?
That raises an interesting thought -- Linux for z/OS could mean a z/Linux
[yeah, yeah, I'm not an
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:43:57 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote:
... z/Linux ... verboten (for legal reasons ... ).
It is? What legal reasons?
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On 6/23/07, Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
... z/Linux ... verboten (for legal reasons ... ).
It is? What legal reasons?
Back then, someone else owned the trademark. But since your rights to
a trademark vanish when you don't use it, I would not be surprised if
that problem
Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:43:57 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote:
... z/Linux ... verboten (for legal reasons ... ).
It is? What legal reasons?
Well, Turbo did have the trademark, but it's officially marked as abandoned
in the USPTO database. But legal is
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 06/20/2007
at 08:33 PM, Phil Smith III [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
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I dopn't need two copies. Please don't do that.
USS is the (I believe) accepted acronym (or at least abbreviation,
if
Phil Smith III wrote:
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You write USS when you mean z/OS Unix system Services. Why is one
piece of incorrect nomenclature worse than another? They are equally
wrong.
Pray tell, what is the real difference between the Unix Sub System
Struth, cobber ... you must be joking.
Unix System Services is certified as a true Unix, as defined by the Open
Group (see http://www.unix.org)
Linux is a Unix-like operating system ... but so far, *no* Linux
distribution has passed Unix certification. No matter how much the zealots
might
Andrew McLaren wrote:
Struth, cobber ... you must be joking.
Unix System Services is certified as a true Unix, as defined by the Open
Group (see http://www.unix.org)
Linux is a Unix-like operating system ... but so far, *no* Linux
distribution has passed Unix certification. No matter how much
Andrew McLaren wrote:
Struth, cobber ... you must be joking.
Unix System Services is certified as a true Unix, as defined by the Open
Group (see http://www.unix.org)
In fact it is no longer true. ;-) AFAIR it was OS/390 2.5 which was
certified. No later release/level/version was re-certified
What's funny, at the time HP-UX was NOT certified. So, OS/390 was UNIX, but
HP-UX wasn't.
I was an internal presentation at the time (working for IBM), an I was told
that z/OS was the second system to get the UNIX95 branding.
I was also told that HP-UX got the first.
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... HP-UX ...
It's a good thing for the net nannies that the company is not named
Packard-Hewlett...
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Ted MacNEIL wrote:
What's funny, at the time HP-UX was NOT certified. So, OS/390 was UNIX, but
HP-UX wasn't.
I was an internal presentation at the time (working for IBM), an I was told
that z/OS was the second system to get the UNIX95 branding.
I was also told that HP-UX got the first.
I remember when this came out:
http://tinyurl.com/2ttd2v
Seb
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SNIP
So, there's a big difference between Unix System Services
Thompson, Steve wrote:
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SNIP
So, there's a big difference
USS is the (I believe) accepted acronym (or at least abbreviation, if you
say you ess ess rather than us) for MVS, OS/390, and z/OS UNIX
System Services.
Why does everybody waste their (our) time on this?
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Too busy driving to stop for gas!
remembered for cursing
Session not bound, the original text for USS message 7.
Chris Mason
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But let's be very clear who is doing the pushing. IBM. You can say
that it is IBM's choice. It is. And they have made
As a (very) small ISV (in the z/VM space, not z/OS or VSE), I would be much
more inclined to accept IBM's statements that they feel our pain with
respect to the problems we are all now having with the PWD program and lack
of small development systems availability if I didn't keep running into
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As a (very) small ISV (in the z/VM space, not z/OS
That and a *reasonable* fee for operating systems and associated
optionals and I could crank out code all day long. I'm with you, brother...
Dave Jones wrote:
The USB hardware device is an IBM 1090 (a.k.a, the IBM System z Personal
Development Tool Adapter (zPDTA)), and the software is
On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:36:28 -0600, Jeffrey D. Smith
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I hope you realize that when IBM provides a $100 mainframe-in-a-box to
its employees, that IBM *owns* the products developed on thoses boxes.
Do you want to give up your intellectual
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Ed Gould wrote:
On Jun 14, 2007, at 8:51 PM, FRASER, Brian wrote:
I don't think CA was the original developer.
What mainframe software did CA originally develop?
My vague recollection
On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 14:42 -0400, Gregory, Gary G wrote:
Didn't CAPEX also market TLMS?
Maybe as TLMS II? We originally licensed TLMS from Gulf Computer
Sciences.
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David Andrews wrote:
On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 14:42 -0400, Gregory, Gary G wrote:
Didn't CAPEX also market TLMS?
Maybe as TLMS II? We originally licensed TLMS from Gulf Computer
Sciences.
I don't remember an II but our license went from Gulf to Capex to CA.
Bob
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 06/12/2007
at 08:36 AM, Steve Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
To the patent issue: Patents are OK as long as they are for new
technical development and not business processes.
IMHO, patents are desirable only to the extent that USPTO is familiar
with prior art and
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on
06/12/2007
at 03:39 PM, Craddock, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Most of the instructions are documented in PoPs, but some very
significant ones are NOT. Obvious missing examples include DIAGNOSE
and SIE,
At one time there was an unlicensed manual for SIE. It may still
In
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on 06/14/2007
at 01:46 AM, Timothy Sipples [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
If they're written in C or C++, you recompile them and run them on
z/OS, probably with USS.
Every time someone says I don't believe in theories, another theory
dies. Portability isn't automatic.
If
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 06/14/2007
at 10:23 AM, Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
At a previous job, we once used ASM2 to defrag a pack. I don't know
what the error was, but we ended up with a pack with nothing left on
it but the VTOC.
Thank you for helping to recover memories that I had
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 06/17/2007
at 12:43 AM, Phil Smith III [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Let's make this clear once and for all: THERE IS NO LINUX ON Z/OS.
Not now, not ever.
You write USS when you mean z/OS Unix system Services. Why is one
piece of incorrect nomenclature worse than another?
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On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 14:42 -0400, Gregory, Gary G wrote:
Didn't CAPEX
On 18 Jun 2007 12:40:27 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
To the patent issue: Patents are OK as long as they are for new
technical development and not business processes.
IMHO, patents are desirable only to the extent that USPTO is familiar
with prior art and able to recognize what is
--snip---
Didn't CAPEX also market TLMS?
--unsnip-
IIRC, TLMS came from Gulf Computer Services, a division of Gulf Oil Co.
They also had something UCANDU, if I remember correctly.
Sorry, it was late at night when I typed my message. I guess if I had
said Z Series, it might have made a difference?
However, the general push seems to be towards *nix, one way or another.
Which means that CPU time will be spent looking for Line Feeds when you
read files, and Binary Zeros
Phil Payne wrote:
Then there was Nestle Frankfurt, who wanted both CPUs to have the same serial
number.
BS3000 was pulled because Fujitsu (deservedly) lost a court case. One of the
settlement
conditions was the withdrawal of BS3000, another was $600 million, if memory
serves. At the
Phil Payne wrote:
Then there was Nestle Frankfurt, who wanted both CPUs to have the same serial
number.
BS3000 was pulled because Fujitsu (deservedly) lost a court case. One of the
settlement
conditions was the withdrawal of BS3000, another was $600 million, if memory
serves. At the
time,
I'll bite. Of all the things that could be an affront to IBM, why did
you
pick AIM? AIM - Advanced Information Manager - was the DBMS Fj
developed for their
own OS (X8) and then ported to their MVS clone (F4).
IIRC it was a network data base, not heirarchical like IMS, not
relational
like
Ed Gould wrote:
On Jun 14, 2007, at 8:51 PM, FRASER, Brian wrote:
I don't think CA was the original developer.
What mainframe software did CA originally develop?
My vague recollection was the cobol optimizer capex. I could be wrong
its been ages and ages.
On Jun 16, 2007, at 5:26 PM, Rick Fochtman wrote:
Ed Gould wrote:
On Jun 14, 2007, at 8:51 PM, FRASER, Brian wrote:
I don't think CA was the original developer.
What mainframe software did CA originally develop?
My vague recollection was the cobol optimizer capex. I could be
wrong
Clem Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
If there is not a low cost platform or method to develop software for
the MVS part of Z/OS, it might as well be dead. And Linux on Z/OS will
be what is left.
Let's make this clear once and for all: THERE IS NO LINUX ON Z/OS. Not now,
not ever.
Then there was Nestle Frankfurt, who wanted both CPUs to have the same serial
number.
BS3000 was pulled because Fujitsu (deservedly) lost a court case. One of the
settlement
conditions was the withdrawal of BS3000, another was $600 million, if memory
serves. At the
time, I not only expected
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:55:43 +0900, Timothy Sipples wrote:
There's a specific reason I focused on C and UNIX (actually Linux)
development: that was the topic! :-)
The topic of discussion was z/OS development until
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:58:19 +0900, Timothy Sipples wrote:
... However, let's
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:59:47 +0900, Timothy Sipples
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Mark Zelden writes:
An *IBM representative* used the U word not once, but twice.
As mentioned countless times, and which I guess I have to repeat yet again,
I'm not an IBM representative here in IBM-MAIN. I speak only
Mark Zelden wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:46:50 +0900, Timothy Sipples
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
probably with USS.
snip
and z/OS 1.9 introduces USS improvements
snip
What... no takers, no war? I'm disappointed. An *IBM representative* used
the U word not once,
On Jun 14, 2007, at 8:51 PM, FRASER, Brian wrote:
What mainframe software did CA originally develop?
In a message dated 6/14/2007 10:11:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My vague recollection was the cobol optimizer capex. I could be wrong
its been ages and ages.
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On Jun 14, 2007, at 8:51 PM, FRASER
Message-
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They had the CAPEX COBOL Optimizer that was used by two different
Timothy Sipples wrote:
Coincidentally I put some information about a 31-bit z/OS C compiler on The
Mainframe Blog yesterday. See:
http://mainframe.typepad.com
That could get you going. Although if you can get a small zNALC LPAR going
IBM's C/C++ compiler is darn close to zero price.
Timothy Sipples wrote:
Ray Mullins writes:
Random thought - I wonder what would happen if Fujitsu and Hitachi decided
to release their clones of MVS and VSE to hobbyists. Yeah, yeah, there's
legal agreements, etc., which probably preclude that.
It's an interesting hypothetical to ponder for
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:37:38 +0900, Timothy Sipples
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There are other effects. For example, another wise thing IBM did in my
opinion is to release Tivoli OMEGAMON XE for z/OS Management Console. This
product is available for download at no additional charge to anyone --
- and gently correcting them when their efforts fall short of
perfection.
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Let's see if this version gets through whatever was the unintelligible
problem with the last effort!
Mark
What... no takers, no war? I'm disappointed. An *IBM representative*
used
the U word not once, but twice. Does that mean it's officially ok to
use
again
casually when the
, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:46:50 +0900, Timothy Sipples
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
probably with USS.
snip
and z/OS 1.9 introduces USS improvements
snip
What... no takers, no war? I'm disappointed. An *IBM representative*
used
the U word not once
Sebastian Welton wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:37:38 +0900, Timothy Sipples
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are other effects. For example, another wise thing IBM did in my
opinion is to release Tivoli OMEGAMON XE for z/OS Management Console. This
product is available for download at no
From Timothy's Quote
Yet another effect is that BT/Is (Basement Tinkerers and Inventors)
who create innovative z/OS software products might find that their young
companies are worth more. There's at least one more company, IBM,
interested in buying certain software companies. A company's buyer
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Dave Kopischke wrote:
Mark Zelden wrote
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:07:28 +0200, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mark
There is no question that yours is a cursed post. I have sent two versions
of my reply and both have produced a fatwa condemning it in the following
terms: rejected because it contains an attachment of type
I share your pessimism on this, we aren't going to have a z/OS (or a clone) to
play with. IBM has made it clear enough - if you want to develop pay big buck
or you can play with MVS 3.8 if you are just a hobbyist. I guess all that is
left
to hobbyists is to start hacking the guts of MVS 3.8
I'm sure most financial people have heard of the Hogan Integrated
Banking system. Back in the 70's Bernie Hogan did exactly what was
discussed here - he and a couple of programmers would spend their nights
and weekends in downtown Dallas at I believe RepublicBank. In the end
they received a
Indeed, if we look at the Candle acquisition, the investments in those
products have been reinvigorated.As just one
example, we here in Japan were waiting years (decades?) for OMEGAMON
to
get full Japanese language translation
That's true, but none too compelling (to me) because Candle
Vary true ... There used to be a product (it may still exist for all I
know) that was a competitor to IBM's DFHSM
ASM2 was eventually acquired by CA and become CA-DISK, then Brightstore
CA-DISK, and now CA Disk Backup and Restore. I think there was an
intermediate acquisition that I have
Software LLC
NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own.
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Vary true
No!
It is far from correct to conclude that, and I'm sure that's not
at all what Timothy meant. We have a really substantial
investment in z/OS development spread across several sites
worldwide. Much of that development has been and continues to be
for the MVS part of z/OS.
Clem Clarke
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Vary true ... There used to be a product (it may still
Bruce Black wrote:
Vary true ... There used to be a product (it may still exist for all
I know) that was a competitor to IBM's DFHSM
ASM2 was eventually acquired by CA and become CA-DISK, then
Brightstore CA-DISK, and now CA Disk Backup and Restore. I think
there was an intermediate
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:04:28 -0400 Mark Jacobs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
:Bruce Black wrote:
: Vary true ... There used to be a product (it may still exist for all
: I know) that was a competitor to IBM's DFHSM
: ASM2 was eventually acquired by CA and become CA-DISK, then
: Brightstore CA-DISK,
Binyamin Dissen wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:04:28 -0400 Mark Jacobs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
:Bruce Black wrote:
: Vary true ... There used to be a product (it may still exist for all
: I know) that was a competitor to IBM's DFHSM
: ASM2 was eventually acquired by CA and become CA-DISK, then
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:04:28 -0400 Mark Jacobs
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