Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 09:45:56 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote: >On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 13:16:29 -0500, Geoff Smith wrote: > >>The user experience is similar to the way “BookManager” displayed its hits >>within the context of books. > >Well, yes and no... Replying to my own post. I see that the document

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 13:16:29 -0500, Geoff Smith wrote: >This may be of interest to some of you. Yes. Thanks. >We just published a refresh of “z/OS V2R2 Acrobat Indexed PDF Collection 9/16 >Refresh". It is a rather large ZIP file (1063.4 MB -- a high speed >connection is recommended). It

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

This may be of interest to some of you. We just published a refresh of “z/OS V2R2 Acrobat Indexed PDF Collection 9/16 Refresh". It is a rather large ZIP file (1063.4 MB -- a high speed connection is recommended). It was created using the standard Windows 7 zip function. Once unzipped,

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

Thanks for verifying! And no worries about the ado. We'd obviously rather know when things are broken so we can fix them quickly (if possible), and the tangential comments are always interesting. ;-) On 09/21/16 11:12 AM, John Laubenheimer wrote: I downloaded this morning. Looks great! Sorry

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

I downloaded this morning. Looks great! Sorry for the much ado. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

I just received notice that the rebuilt kit is now available for download on IBM Pubs Center: https://www.ibm.com/e-business/linkweb/publications/servlet/pbi.wss?CTY=US=SRX=SK4t-4949 . One of us will post when the other, indexed PDF collection of 3Q16 drafts is posted, in case you prefer

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

Tom Marchant wrote: On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 10:53:59 -0600, Jack J. Woehr wrote: Not everyone on IBM-Main has access to a zLinux partition. Not everyone is able to use open source software. True enough. But at this jolly moment in the history of our craft, methinks any mainframe operation which

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

On 20 September 2016 at 12:18, Alan Young wrote: > This is correct. 7zip is not the problem. The problem is the end user's > unzip application. The zip specification has been extended over time to > support additional compression methods. See >

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 10:53:59 -0600, Jack J. Woehr wrote: >If the gang were using z/Linux regularly and had achieved familiarity, this >whole teapot tempest could never have >arisen. Get to know that weird LPAR you keep around. You seem to be saying that the fault is in the users. Not everyone

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

Jesse 1 Robinson wrote: This discussion has not quite devolved into a full-fledged snarkfest, As Snarker in Chief, I feel obliged to reply and want to say I Feel Your Pain :) but I feel somewhat wounded by an earlier post dismissing us z-whiners for having lost our lust for digital

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

Paul Gilmartin wrote: Thanks for your quick action. A few thoughts: o "Admits" is a slightly biased word. 7-Zip is not the problem. By experiment (a scientific sample of one test case) it works fine if one chooses the right options. This is correct. 7zip is not the problem. The

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

, September 20, 2016 5:40 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals) Thanks, all, for the further enlightening input. As you can see from Kevin's response clipped below, something nefarious did indeed befall the 4949 zip package

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 08:28:24 -0500, Kevin Minerley wrote: >The packager admits to using 7-zip (yes, we all figured that out). > >Someone had suggested a "finger check" -- bingo. > >I've asked the to repackage and test it in Windows before uploading the >replacement. > Thanks for your quick

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

The packager admits to using 7-zip (yes, we all figured that out). Someone had suggested a "finger check" -- bingo. I've asked the to repackage and test it in Windows before uploading the replacement. Kevin Minerley zOS, zVM, and zVSE Softcopy CKIT/PKIT architect

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

Thanks, all, for the further enlightening input. As you can see from Kevin's response clipped below, something nefarious did indeed befall the 4949 zip package somewhere along the way. He's investigating and will get it resolved as soon as possible. In the meantime, the zip of indexed PDFs

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

Tom Marchant wrote: You missed an important point. Many of us are running on corporate Windoze machines, and some are not able or permitted to install anything that is not approved by corporate. 1. z/Linux 2. Kick your manager in the butt and explain that Dilbert is a fictional character :)

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

Tony: I stand corrected. I only checked the unzip with 7-zip as I've been doing for years so it worked for me and I, wronglyk, "assumed" it was working as usual; however, it appears, the manufacturing process changed. I am trying to find out why and how and see if we can get another more

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 21:52:18 -0600, Jack J. Woehr wrote: >So I googled "7zip open source" and found there was an open source 7zip >decoder. You missed an important point. Many of us are running on corporate Windoze machines, and some are not able or permitted to install anything that is not

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

Paul Gilmartin wrote: Ah, you weren't following the flame wars on Usenet in the era when JPEG was displacing GIFf. No, before that time I had already burned out proving to the other 8800 persons on USENET that Forth was going to surpass the C language. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 20:03:21 -0600, Jack J. Woehr wrote: > >So methinks the question really is, "How long will it take the z/OS community >to recover from this >*shocking* episode that wouldn't spawn more than one or two yawning and >sarcastic emails >on an open systems mailing list?" > Ah, you

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

Edward Finnell wrote: How hard would it be to ask Would you prefer .7Z or .zip? Or auto-detect. I can bumble in the jungle but this is just ludicrous. Well, it's amusing, bless IBM's pointy little head, but in this election year, you've got a lot of competition to push past in order to grab

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

How hard would it be to ask Would you prefer .7Z or .zip? Or auto-detect. I can bumble in the jungle but this is just ludicrous. In a message dated 9/19/2016 9:03:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, j...@well.com writes: You guys bumble around the open source world occasionally feel

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

Paul Gilmartin wrote: I wonder how long it will take IBM Docs to recover from such a simple finger fumble? I bumble around z/OS and occasionally feel momentarily helpless. You guys bumble around the open source world occasionally feel momentarily helpless. It's part of the job description

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 15:32:12 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >Gee, it seems pretty obvious to me: > >- IBM intends to distribute as .zip >- IBM uses the 7-Zip utility to make the intended .zip >- Someone at IBM by mistake clicked 7z instead of zip as the desired >compression method in the 7-zip

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

Not IBM's use of 7-Zip, but compressing and distributing the file in 7z format as opposed to zip (and the LZMA:24 BCJ compression format). WINDOWS nicely expands zip files, but requires an external utility to expand 7z files. 7-Zip can generate zip files; you just need to select that option.

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

.sorry, sounds like IBMs use of 7-Zip that is the problem Thanks! BobL -Original Message- From: Lester, Bob Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 6:02 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: RE: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals) [ EXTERNAL ] Hi All

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

ERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals) [ EXTERNAL ] Focusing on 'permitted in many corporate environments'. I know nothing about 7-Zip, but some share-ware products state that--while freely available for individual use--they are prohibited for commercial/bu

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John Laubenheimer Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 12:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals) Previous releases (up

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 13:31:01 -0500, Kevin Minerley wrote: >Unfortunately, this is working as designed. If indeed it's the sk4t-4949-xx >deliverable, it is large. As a matter of fact, were it to be be put on a >dual-layer DVD it wouldn't fit (at least in this pass). Most modern zip

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tony Harminc Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 3:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals) On 19 September 2016 at 14:31, Kevin Minerley <k60ek...@us.ibm.com>

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

On 19 September 2016 at 14:31, Kevin Minerley wrote: > Unfortunately, this is working as designed. If indeed it's the sk4t-4949-xx > deliverable, it is large. As a matter of fact, were > it to be be put on a dual-layer DVD it wouldn't fit (at least in this pass). The file

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

ubject: Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals) You can use 7-Zip to show the archive type, for example: 7z l -slt F:\winzip\example.zip You might want to redirect the command output, since you are dealing with a large archive, and the command output will likely be large. --

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

On 2016-09-19 15:15, John Laubenheimer wrote: Previous releases (up to k4t4949a) would unzip using Windows Explorer/File Manager, and did not require the user to install the 7-Zip utility, which is not permitted in many corporate environments. Is there some reason that the standard PKZIP

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

Previous releases (up to k4t4949a) would unzip using Windows Explorer/File Manager, and did not require the user to install the 7-Zip utility, which is not permitted in many corporate environments. Is there some reason that the standard PKZIP format can no longer be used? The last release of

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

And if you're paranoid and want to build it from source and are uncomfortable downloading an already-built 7z extractor to unpack the source itself, grab an old laptop, install OpenBSD 6.0, build the 7z port from source and unpack it with that. (/usr/ports/archivers/p7zip). All it costs is

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

Paul Gilmartin wrote: 508 $ unzip -vv k4t4949b.zip Archive: k4t4949b.zip End-of-central-directory signature not found Embrace the brave new world of open source! http://www.7-zip.org/download.html -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

On 2016-09-19 08:30, Susan Shumway wrote: > Thanks for the notice. I'm downloading the file now and will discuss with our > build team. I'll report back later. > On z/OS 2.2, I see: user@OS/390.25.00:511$ cksum k4t4949b.zip 899553449 1118616064 k4t4949b.zip (Checksums are nice; don't need to be

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

Unfortunately, this is working as designed. If indeed it's the sk4t-4949-xx deliverable, it is large. As a matter of fact, were it to be be put on a dual-layer DVD it wouldn't fit (at least in this pass). Most modern zip utilities work against it. Personally, I use 7-zip but when

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

Thanks for the notice. I'm downloading the file now and will discuss with our build team. I'll report back later. On 09/17/16 6:01 PM, John Laubenheimer wrote: The September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals was loaded onto the IBM Publications Center website this week. Upon trying to open

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

R.S. wrote: For people who want documentation: use *any* software which is able to unpack the archive. Linux and OpenBSD both have 7z as installable ports which will unpack the archives. I just tried it and it worked. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

Well, very big problem... For people who want documentation: use *any* software which is able to unpack the archive. There are several tools, including shareware, like WinRar or 7zip. For the rest: read the thread. Sorry, I couldn't resist. Most of us is here to solve problems. (no offence

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

ct: Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals) On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 06:03:37 -0700, Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> wrote: >I have a copy of 7-Zip 9.20 and it clearly states -- and my experience >confirms -- that it supports both compressing to and decompressing f

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 06:03:37 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >I have a copy of 7-Zip 9.20 and it clearly states -- and my experience >confirms -- that it supports both compressing to and decompressing from the >"zip" format. From the 7-Zip documentation: > >ZIP >7-Zip creates ZIP

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

[mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Graeme Gibson Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 12:12 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals) It's possible that someone at IBM has assumed that 7-Zip produces .zip files, which it does not. 7

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

--Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Graeme Gibson Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 10:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals) It's possible that someone at IBM h

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

It's possible that someone at IBM has assumed that 7-Zip produces .zip files, which it does not. 7-Zip normally uses the file extension, or type, of ".7z", not '.zip". It's unfortunate, but possibly not inadvertant, that the developers of "7-Zip" chose a product name that suggests they *are*

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

The URL for the z/OS 2.2 manuals is https://www-05.ibm.com/e-business/linkweb/publications/servlet/pbi.wss?CTY=US=SRX=SK4t-4949 I guess I should have said that I think that this is a mistake on IBM's part, and not an intentional change.

Re: k4t4949b (September 2016 refresh of the z/OS 2.2 manuals)

On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 16:51:37 -0500, John Laubenheimer wrote: > It appears that the file was zipped using the 7-Zip utility; 7-Zip opens the > file nicely. This was probably done (accidentally?) because 7-Zip can create > a smaller file, reducing the time required to download, as well as