Chris Benson wrote:
Mmmm, so if there are 3 water lilies with circular leaves, what
is the largest they can grow on the surface of a sphere without
overlap? On a circle it's easy to see it's just less than the
radius of the circle. Not so easy with a sphere.
Well, first off, the circles
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:01:05AM +0100, Chris Benson wrote:
Mmmm, so if there are 3 water lilies with circular leaves, what is the
largest they can grow on the surface of a sphere without overlap?
On a circle it's easy to see it's just less than the radius of the
circle. Not so easy with a
Dave Cross wrote:
On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 11:53:30PM +0200, Paul Johnson
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I'll have to be an honourary member since I'm in Switzerland
at the moment
That's just down the road in comparison to some of the people that
consider themselves members of london.pm :)
Greg McCarroll wrote:
I was just playing around and wrote
http://217.34.97.146/~gem/perl/lpm_cpan_lb.cgi
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The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable
to complete your request.
Please contact the server administrator, [EMAIL
Greg McCarroll wrote:
I'll cleanup/optimize/add error checking tommorow. but
i thought i'd let you see it tonight for fun and
advance warning.
And remove the trailing comma? (Perhaps use 'join' rather than 'map $_,'
or whatever?)
If i haven't got your CPAN id included in the list at the
From: Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 7:33 AM
Dave Cross wrote:
On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 11:53:30PM +0200, Paul Johnson
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I'll have to be an honourary member since I'm in Switzerland
at the moment
That's just down the road in
On Sun, 17 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Leo Lapworth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Well, I'm now 'official' all the way, flights and hotel.
Easyjey seem to have worked it out and have put up the flight
costs by a couple of quid (£71 inc card charg of 3 quid)!
still thats not bad
* Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Leo Lapworth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Well, I'm now 'official' all the way, flights and hotel.
Easyjey seem to have worked it out and have put up the flight
costs by a couple of quid (£71
Now imagine a big field, with a treasure chest in the middle
of it - this is your security.
Now, imagine the chest is buried in the field, and no-one saw me bury it.
This is my security.
Snip enormous security through obscurity tirade
However, after playing Baldurs Gate 2
* Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Now imagine a big field, with a treasure chest in the middle
of it - this is your security.
Now, imagine the chest is buried in the field, and no-one saw me bury it.
This is my security.
Snip enormous security through
we can even stand outside the business lounge and wave in
at Dave Cross who will be stroking his gold plated cat and
enjoying a gimlet
Is this some SM reference? How does one enjoy a gimlet? Gouge it into the
cat maybe
--
Jonathan Peterson
Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, 020 7383 6092
On Sat, Jun 16, 2001 at 10:33:57AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
Some guys out here in Brizzle want to do Yet Another CMS. Are there
any frameworks out there they can plug together to make something
plausible?
I guess bits of the 2.0 slashcode do the job nicely, what with being
TT based
Paul Mison wrote:
On 15/06/2001 at 09:17 +0100, Dean wrote:
Are there any plans for a group of London PMer's to fly over together
or is
the whole thing going to be ad hoc?
Not yet, no. (Oh, and what are the cheapest flights from London City?
Living in skanky East London's got to be good
Greg McCarroll wrote:
If i haven't got your CPAN id included in the list at the
bottom please email me off list, i just skipped through
the who's who very quickly getting a decent list of people
who looked london.pm-ish to test it.
But I have two modules up there at the moment ...
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 09:59:52AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
Tired of government websites that only cater for browsers with non-standard
proprietary extensions (cf http://www.gateway.gov.uk. Don't jsut sit there
complaining - do something positive about it!
Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Now imagine a big field, with a treasure chest in the middle
of it - this is your security.
Now, imagine the chest is buried in the field, and no-one saw me bury
it. This is my security.
Snip enormous security through
Leo Lapworth wrote:
2) Oh, yea, make your designers code and your coders design,
that'll make for a good site - honest.
Though if the designers have some idea of what is and what isn't
possible/easy to implement, maybe we wouldn't have so many image roll-overs,
blank one-pixel GIFs, tables
On 18/06/2001 at 09:02 +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
(I suppose Simon Cozens had him beat while he was in Japan, but was
he part of London.pm then? I think he is now.)
Last I heard, we had at least one subscriber currently living in
Australia.
Leon, how about a london.pm world map :)
Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
Steve Mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Any other offers?
http://scoop.kuro5hin.org/
Why do all these things have to look like Slashdot? It that now the
ONLY metaphor for these things. I know Nielsen would approve
Simon Wistow wrote:
[Rotterdam]
There are flights to Amsterdam from there but they're about
120 quid :(
So take the train? Only takes an hour with the IC, and it's probably cheaper
than flying on such a short distance.
You can even go straight to Diemen Zuid if you're going to the conference
Paul Mison wrote:
On 18/06/2001 at 09:02 +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
(I suppose Simon Cozens had him beat while he was in Japan, but was
he part of London.pm then? I think he is now.)
Last I heard, we had at least one subscriber currently living in
Australia.
Leon, how
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:39:31 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
If i haven't got your CPAN id included in the list at the
bottom please email me off list, i just skipped through
the who's who very quickly getting a decent list of people
who looked london.pm-ish to test it.
Please include PMH on
On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:58:09 +0100, Peter Haworth wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:39:31 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
If i haven't got your CPAN id included in the list at the
bottom please email me off list, i just skipped through
the who's who very quickly getting a decent list of people
Simon Wistow sent the following bits through the ether:
There are modules out there for doing IP2LL
http://www.astray.com/Bath.pm/near.cgi
even worked in Montreal. Fails for btinternet atm though...
Leon
--
Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/
Iterative
Simon Wistow sent the following bits through the ether:
'cos they're all based on the Slash code? Which isn't all that amenable
to total reskinning.
Oh look, that slashcode 2.0 uses Template Toolkit...
Leon
--
Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/
Iterative
On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
However, after playing Baldurs Gate 2 all weekend, I'm obliged to say that
really if you have a priceless artifact that you don't want found, the
trick is to give to a peasant, because no adventurer is going to go round
killing every peasant in
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 10:35:08AM +0100, Paul Mison wrote:
On 18/06/2001 at 09:02 +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
Last I heard, we had at least one subscriber currently living in
Australia.
Leon, how about a london.pm world map :)
Combine it with the (sadly mythical) IP2LL and it'd
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:11:50PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
I must have imagined London.pm.
Thank God! It was all a horrible, horrible dream!!!
Alex
--
Four pints of milk, a turkey baster and some plastic
tubing, that's all you need.
http://www.cpio.org/~grimoire
Tangentially on-topic for this list because of skud's involvement...
I see that the new edtion of Linux Format comes with a copy of e-smith on
the CD. According to the blurb, e-smith is a complete, easy to use and
install server/gateway system that manages mail, firewalling,
file-sharing,
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:12:33PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
Tangentially on-topic for this list because of skud's involvement...
What is this 'topic' of which you speak?
I see that the new edtion of Linux Format comes with a copy of e-smith on
the CD. According to the blurb,
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 11:41:57AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
Users will say: I don't have Flash and don't want to download it.
Therefore, I should leave out the Flash bits of the site. Users will say: I
read that JavaScript can expose security holes, so I'll turn it off.
Therefore, I will make
Roger Burton West wrote:
Users will say: Ooh! Shiny!.
You need to get some better users.
Cheers,
philip
--
Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
David Cantrell wrote:
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:12:33PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
Tangentially on-topic for this list because of skud's involvement...
What is this 'topic' of which you speak?
Something matching /^[fyreub ]+\z/i, I think.
Cheers,
Philip
--
Philip Newton [EMAIL
- Original Message -
From: Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: Government Websites
Roger Burton West wrote:
Users will say: Ooh! Shiny!.
You need to get some better users.
That could be a viable business
On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Mark Fowler wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
However, after playing Baldurs Gate 2 all weekend, I'm obliged to say that
really if you have a priceless artifact that you don't want found, the
trick is to give to a peasant, because no adventurer is
On Jun 17, David Cantrell wrote:
Out of interest, does anyone know if it's done in-house or contracted out?
(I strongly suspect the latter)
The latter. Via EDS and Microsoft, I believe.
*shudder* EDS. That explains it then!
This incompetence is further manifested in their choice of
On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Alex Page wrote:
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:11:50PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
I must have imagined London.pm.
Thank God! It was all a horrible, horrible dream!!!
Yeah, well at least you all didn't dream about that guy with the
cheese...
L.
Speako.
On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
However, after playing Baldurs Gate 2 all weekend, I'm obliged to say that
really if you have a priceless artifact that you don't want found, the
trick is to give to a peasant, because no adventurer is going to go round
killing every
* Lucy McWilliam ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I play Herod in a school play once. Go figure.
Aargh...played. Maybe I should go and imbibe some of that caffeine stuff.
For what its worth I saw nothing wrong with your original message.
--
Greg McCarroll
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 02:00:32PM +0100, Mark Hynes wrote:
On Jun 17, David Cantrell wrote:
david@lapdog:~$ HEAD http://www.gateway.gov.uk|grep ^Server
Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
That, and EDS and Microsoft being involved.
Ah, so primarily blind bigotism then.
No, they're using
Jouke is currently arranging reasonably priced hotel accomodation
for London.pm. He needs you to fill out the little informal form
he posted on YAPC::Europe's mailing list. This is an excellent
way to get your accomodation arranged quickly and easily and end
up spending time in a hotel with
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 08:33:11AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
Who holds the distance record? dha, presumably?
Me Andy M. probably, living on the left coast.
Paul
Friends,
HELP!
In a moment of stupidity[1] I agreed to write an article for lathos on
templating solutions for Perl. This was an attempt to finally break my
writing block/issues/mindset problems. It is going to be a compare and
contrast article and so far I've looked at,
Template
Paul Makepeace wrote:
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 08:33:11AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
Who holds the distance record? dha, presumably?
Me Andy M. probably, living on the left coast.
You forgot Damian (as had I).
Cheers,
Philip
--
Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
All opinions are my own,
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 04:36:00PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
In a moment of stupidity[1] I agreed to write an article for lathos on
templating solutions for Perl. This was an attempt to finally break my
writing block/issues/mindset problems. It is going to be a compare and
contrast
Greg,
I did this (just for TT2 and HTML::Template) for torrington,
results (REALLY badly formatted *blushes to admit it was done
in word and saved to HTML*) can be seen at:
http://torrington.cuckoo.org/template_systems.shtml
No (c) on it.. so feel free to hack and copy as you will.
Hope it's
Greg McCarroll sent the following bits through the ether:
In a moment of stupidity[1]
Fool.
There are at least 30 other Perl templating systems. See the
templating systems benchmark last week on the mod_perl list for
example. Perrin Harkins is presenting Choosing a Templating System
at oscon,
At 04:36 PM 6/18/01 +0100, Greg wrote:
In a moment of stupidity[1] I agreed to write an article for lathos on
templating solutions for Perl. This was an attempt to finally break my
writing block/issues/mindset problems. It is going to be a compare and
contrast article and so far I've looked at,
Oi,
Rob,
What's this,
Home grown (and not smokable),
I left Emap too early if your not a TT2 convert yet.
We can 'do lunch' later this week and I'll bash you
with some TT2 docs or something :)
Leo
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 04:57:17PM +0100, Robert Price wrote:
It may be a good idea to
Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Template Toolkit
HTML::Mason
Text::Template
HTML::Template
HTML::Embperl
Also Apache::ASP
searching for template on CPAN also gets quite a lot of hits...
--
1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Quoting Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
I was hoping for a lovely cheap flight from London City to Amsterdam but
VLM (who I can get cheap flight from) only fly to Rotterdam :(
So?
There are flights to Amsterdam from there but they're about 120 quid :(
Will try and see if I can get
Quoting Roger Burton West ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
Users will say: Ooh! Shiny!.
Poing-poing-poing!
--
Merijn Broeren | Fact: GPRS does not work if the Mobile Station (your phone,
Software Geek | that is) moves faster than 500 km/h. Tip: NEVER drive faster
than 450 km/h if you
I like ePerl, comprised of
Apache::ePerl
Parse::ePerl
It's a very simple does what it says on the tin way of embedding perl in
any other (text) fine, plus it has low level access to what it does in it's
parse routine. Handy in many situations, I find.
No new versions since 1998 and none
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 04:36:00PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
First, are there any others that I should look at? Also I'd really like
any objective input people have about templating with these modules. It
is important to me to try and not just get the article done and dusted,
but for once to
Simon Wilcox wrote:
I avoided HTML::Embperl, HTML::Mason Apache::ASP because they all
embed perl into the template which is a Bad Thing (tm).
Why is that so evil?
I'm willing to be enlightened here.
Cheers,
Philip
--
Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
All opinions are my own, not my
* at 18/06 17:21 +0100 Roger Burton West said:
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 04:36:00PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
The main reason I prefer H::T to T::T is that H::T templates can be
given to Dreamweaver monkeys to edit without my having to worry that
they'll screw them up.
That is an
* Philip Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Simon Wilcox wrote:
I avoided HTML::Embperl, HTML::Mason Apache::ASP because they all
embed perl into the template which is a Bad Thing (tm).
Why is that so evil?
i think it one of two schools of thought
is your template a Template or a Rich
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 06:30:24PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
Simon Wilcox wrote:
I avoided HTML::Embperl, HTML::Mason Apache::ASP because they all
embed perl into the template which is a Bad Thing (tm).
Why is that so evil?
I'm willing to be enlightened here.
Mainly maintainability. In
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 05:39:11PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 06:30:24PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
Simon Wilcox wrote:
I avoided HTML::Embperl, HTML::Mason Apache::ASP because they all
embed perl into the template which is a Bad Thing (tm).
Why is
Leo Lapworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Oi,
Rob,
What's this,
Home grown (and not smokable),
I left Emap too early if your not a TT2 convert yet.
We can 'do lunch' later this week and I'll bash you
with some TT2 docs or something :)
Oooh! Me too!
--
Dave Hodgkinson,
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 06:30:24PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
Simon Wilcox wrote:
I avoided HTML::Embperl, HTML::Mason Apache::ASP because they all
embed perl into the template which is a Bad Thing (tm).
Why is that so evil?
I'm willing to be enlightened here.
Separation of code and data -
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 09:38:44AM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
However, after playing Baldurs Gate 2 all weekend, I'm obliged to say that
really if you have a priceless artifact that you don't want found, the
trick is to give to a peasant, because no adventurer is going to go round
Philip Newton wrote:
Simon Wilcox wrote:
I avoided HTML::Embperl, HTML::Mason Apache::ASP because they all
embed perl into the template which is a Bad Thing (tm).
Why is that so evil?
I'm willing to be enlightened here.
A couple of reasons.
Separation of code presentation is
* Niklas Nordebo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 09:38:44AM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
However, after playing Baldurs Gate 2 all weekend, I'm obliged to say that
really if you have a priceless artifact that you don't want found, the
trick is to give to a peasant,
- Original Message -
From: will [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: Government Websites
- Original Message -
From: Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 1:11 PM
Subject: Re:
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 05:38:02PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
Paul Makepeace wrote:
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 08:33:11AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
Who holds the distance record? dha, presumably?
Me Andy M. probably, living on the left coast.
You forgot Damian (as had I).
I've
* Niklas Nordebo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 06:11:39PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
you know that game far to well! ;-)
Probalby.
While we're on the subject of computer games I recently found Civilization:
Call to power on sale at HMV. Since I didn't like Civ 2
Oh... er... it's only three days to the technical meeting and so far I don't
seem to have any talks for it.
I'll write my Perl for the People talk tonight and give that, and I think
that Robin wanted to do something.
There must be others out there who want to practice talks that they'll be
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:56:15PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:12:33PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
I see that the new edtion of Linux Format comes with a copy of e-smith on
the CD. According to the blurb, e-smith is a complete, easy to use and
install
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:12:33PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
I see that the new edtion of Linux Format comes with a copy of e-smith on
the CD. According to the blurb, e-smith is a complete, easy to use and
install server/gateway system that manages mail, firewalling,
file-sharing,
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 04:46:25PM +0100, Leo Lapworth wrote:
I'd also like to mention HTML::Mason - Euuu, No, no and thrice no!
(ok, has some nice 'bits' but NO - thou shalt not put thy
HTML and thy Perl in the same file).
It is NOT POSSIBLE to completely divorce
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 07:54:36PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
It is NOT POSSIBLE to completely divorce presentation/application.
You're missing a word from the end of the sentence, and that's Ilogic.
If you add it you're obviously wrong though...
So you end up with all sorts of languages
On 18 Jun 2001, Steve Mynott wrote:
Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Template Toolkit
HTML::Mason
Text::Template
HTML::Template
HTML::Embperl
Also Apache::ASP
I did have this crackhead idea a week or two ago about making something
that 'Compiled' HTML
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 04:29:31PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote:
Once I have a spare box, I'll probably give e-smith a looksie, just to see
if it can teach me anything.
Well, I can tell you now, from experience that the blackcat power cycler
works wonders, because I remembered (too late) that ipfw's
On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Roger Burton West wrote:
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 06:30:24PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
Simon Wilcox wrote:
I avoided HTML::Embperl, HTML::Mason Apache::ASP because they all
embed perl into the template which is a Bad Thing (tm).
Why is that so evil?
I'm willing
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 07:54:36PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 04:46:25PM +0100, Leo Lapworth wrote:
I'd also like to mention HTML::Mason - Euuu, No, no and thrice no!
(ok, has some nice 'bits' but NO - thou shalt not put thy
HTML and thy Perl in the same
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 07:29:28AM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote:
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:01:05AM +0100, Chris Benson wrote:
Mmmm, so if there are 3 water lilies with circular leaves, what is the
largest they can grow on the surface of a sphere without overlap?
Looks like
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 11:56:59AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 08:29:18AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
Chris Benson wrote:
Mmmm, so if there are 3 water lilies with circular leaves, what
is the largest they can grow on the surface of a sphere without
Well,
In lists.community.perlmongers.london, you wrote:
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:12:33PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
I see that the new edtion of Linux Format comes with a copy of e-smith on
the CD. According to the blurb, e-smith is a complete, easy to use and
install server/gateway system
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 08:24:13PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 07:54:36PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 04:46:25PM +0100, Leo Lapworth wrote:
I'd also like to mention HTML::Mason - Euuu, No, no and thrice no!
(ok, has some nice 'bits'
On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 11:06:40PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
if dha supplies me with a list of cpan ID's and names for NY i'll
do a similar page of NY and include the % of each on both pages
I'll have to go through the CPAN and see who of our group has IDs. Of
course, there are all those
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 09:02:01AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
From: Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Who holds the distance record? dha, presumably?
Last I heard, we had at least one subscriber currently living in Australia.
Leon, how about a london.pm world map :)
Hm... I
Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
It is possible to write embedded perl templates well, but a
lot more difficult than if they are separated out.
How does non-embedded Perl look like, then?
Is Perl the outside layer and basically does '#include navbar.html' at
certain points?
Or is HTML the outside
# Subject : I like poo
# Posted By: Sreejayanth
# Date: Tuesday, 19 June 2001, at 1:45 a.m.
#
# I like poo
Remind me again why you hang out here Dave?
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