.pm'er although he may not care to admit it ;-)
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ore mission, and other scripts are welcome.
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> >What about taint-safety?
>
> All of our scripts must have "-T" and will do whatever is necessary to
> clean up external data.
>
> I see this as one of our big selling points - "our scripts don't allow
> users to delete all your files".
>
I would just like to disclaim this warranty. ;-)
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* Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> How about a hackfest one afternoon? A dozen people in a room with
> machines/laptops, pair programming...
>
have you ever tried herding cats?
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ers require them, or they'll just continue
> > using ftp, because it's *easier*...
>
> They won't if you stop running the ftp daemon on the server :)
>
Rule one of security:
Ensure availability for authorised users
this breaks it ;-)
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* Roger Burton West ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On or about Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 04:00:22PM +0000, Greg McCarroll typed:
> >* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >> They won't if you stop running the ftp daemon on the server :)
> >Rule one of security:
&g
above, seeing as OS X has comes with OpenSSH. (10 days
> and counting :-) )
>
OS X shall be a truly wonderful thing, of course the fact that
it is even possible is down to the BSD license IIRC, discuss ...
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inion. Why would anyone possibly
> want to run an ISP and have to deal with all the clueless people?
>
> Beats me.
>
Mike J, you used to work for AOL, you should be more than qualified
to answer this one ;-)
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* Mike Jarvis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> And don't even get her started on child proof caps.
>
yeah, tell me about it - those things are impossible to get open!
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rities between
the bogs of Penderels Oak and the TARDIS?
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this would of been truly evil! The only thing worse than this is track suit
bottoms which dont have elastic at the ankles, you know ... the baggy ankle
ones , the sort of thing you expect dustin hoffman to go jogging in, in some
early 80's comedy romance movie
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* Nathan Torkington ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> Never ever think conferences are
> easy.
>
*shock*
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t may be spelt
wrong, its late and i've just spent 2 days being addicted to baldurs gate
2) as opposed to web `programmers', it goes back to my fundamental rule
of contracting have at least 3 good and well seperated areas of discipline
before going contracting (i.e. perl & j
going to investigate booking the cellar bar at the Cittie of
> > Yorke. Did that happen?
>
> Hmmm or, you could have your social meeting in Belfast, while Schwern
> is still here ...
>
if we get a decent number for this plan, i'm up for it!
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ed out of their socket i don't
know what is.
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t want to sound like a twat, but it may be too late already so here
goes, one of the things i hate about going out to a italian restaurant
is the wine.
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Also (being half Hungarian) am rather fond of Tokai .. 5 Putonyos of
> course. Quite a different taste to most other things.
ah, this is one of the cases where one should read then reply, rather
than reply as one reads
his use of 5 is the shovels i believe
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in. Or were you talking about NetThink?
>
i just meant a `perl consultancy', i.e. both/either/another/etc.
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ail ! it was basically
going from 3 upwards to 6,7,+ (can't quite remember) and its quite a journey
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of your development
force and once the rate of change in the industry comes under control,
the market will be even more sucessful (however individuals may not)
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* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> At Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:08:04 +0100, Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
> > at cebit, BT devices crashed and burned - why? they had been rushed
> > out. BT is essentially a good technology if done right, the same is
ritise functionality
taking a random site - lastminute.com
i just went there, no their business model is essentially - sell
stuff at the last minute, generally targetting people with
disposable income
so i look at their site, they have chatroom functionality! why?
why does a site selling this sor
rrently love Symbian, i want to make them the best that they
can be, but i've been here before with some other companies
(eBookers, BBC, Interwoven) and know that its hard just to get
fully comfortable
greg
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* Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > ironically, a lot of .com problems could of been avoided and yet they
> > still would of made the deadlines imposed by `internet time', if they
> > had slowed down and
* Chris Heathcote ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> on 26/3/01 10:04 pm, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>
> > The problem of course with London (London.pm?) is that
> > every activity we can think of is drink related.
>
> Well we do have a river here ya know ;)
>
> Other ideas:
visitor whos up for
it, we will do it, then retire to somewhere for sunday lunch.
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* Aaron Trevena ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> I think its partially the vendors fault - they are pushing java as a
> solution for things it clearly isn't right for.
>
out of curiousity - such as (i.e. which vendors are pushing java for
inappropriate problem sapces)?
-
* Aaron Trevena ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>
> > * Aaron Trevena ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > >
> > > I think its partially the vendors fault - they are pushing java as a
> > > solution for things it clearly
'Just In Time Development'.
>
I'm not sure this is a good image for Perl, we want to get away
from the last minute solution image.
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ems with Perl work in london, coming from the other side of
things.
*sigh*
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> yapc::Europe mailing list[1] to give everyone a better idea of what's
it seems pretty alive to me ;-)
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orward to hack the algorithm together, or might as well hijack the
> > Convert::Base32 module for the purpose.
>
> Maybe we should implement a pCiP rating, for *potential* for CiP, based
> on how marvellously deranged a program is conceptually...
>
motion carried, todo list
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Anyone interested in this should contact Dave Jobling directly on
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
And you'll get to work just a couple of yards from me!
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, but the devil is in the
details
anyway, i'll slag myself off now ...
how much more wooly can you than this? ;-)
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hum.
Thoughts? If Simon (NetThink), Piers/Leon (Iterative), Dave Cross
(with his london.pm hat on) and a couple of companies that use
Perl say this is a good idea, i think we can do this.
Greg
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anguage or environment any more. Microsoft may have understood
> > this with .NET. Discuss.
>
> Correct, especially SOAP, WSDL, etc. This is going to be very big
> indeed. MS is betting their company on this. Watch out...
i'll fuck them if its the last thing
* Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Ok, I'm useless, but I've just been to talk to the Cittie, and
> they say they're booked out next Thursday.
>
ok it looks like PO
...... or the anchor!
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* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:47:03PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > I suggest (with Dave Cross' blessing), that we
> > form the London.pm certification. NetThink and Iterative will
> > sign up to teach to a given level of
* Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>
> > * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > Anyone interested in this should contact Dave Jobling directly on
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> >
> >
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:48:05PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>
> > ok it looks like PO
> >
> > .. or the anchor!
>
> Anchor! Anchor! Anchor!
>
Hush now brother, contain thy enthusiasm, others are s
* Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > * Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:47:03PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > > > I suggest (with Dave Cross' blessing),
* Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>
> > * Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > Ok, I'm useless, but I've just been to talk to the Cittie, and
> > > they say they're booked out nex
>
either is ok, although once/if we get kevin's blessing - i'd like to
host it at YAS, just so it is fully independent
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* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> At 21:57 28/03/2001, you wrote:
> >On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> >
> > > * Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > > > > * Sim
* Paul Makepeace ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:58:36PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest
> > problems with Perl work in london,
>
> Are employers there too stupid to read CVs? Or to
* Lucy McWilliam ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:48:05PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > ok it looks like PO
> > .. or the anchor!
>
> Do either do real ale?
>
i think both `theoretically' have guest ales, but it may vary
; $self->$method($_, $object->SOAP::Data::name || gen_name,
$object->SOAP::Data::type, $object->SOAP::Data::attr)
...
sure it makes sense, but it still is CiP and trust me this isn't
the only bit of CiP in here and much kudos to Paul for it ;-)
Greg
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* Nathan Torkington ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > sure it makes sense, but it still is CiP and trust me this isn't
> > the only bit of CiP in here and much kudos to Paul for it ;-)
>
> I'm unsure what CiP is, but if it has anything to d
e, as they will simply want to say - taking learning
tree course Perl101 means people get core competency and it
would become the usual noddy thing. Involving them later when
the forum was established would give them slightly less
clout.
This is of course, imho.
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amespace)
UKCPP - Uk Certified Perl Programmer
YUKCPP - YAS UK Certified Perl Programmer
YCPP - YAS Certified Perl Programmer
Programmer is a nice compromise between hacker and software engineer
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OUTSIDE the community.
its probably a two stage exercise, so Programmer is a nice compromise,
but the name doesnt really matter that much at the minute
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* Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> >
> > The important thing from my POV is that its not learning tree
> > from day one, as they will simply want to say - taking learning
> > tree course Perl101 means people
t do it .. ( so thats got the ball rolling)
> b) get some other groups (eg NY.pm ) involved to get the support of the
> Perl community at large
ok, but i wouldn't worry about b. anytime soon, you have to remember
Larry has said, he'd rather be certified than see perl certificatio
YAS can probably take care of this, i mailed Kevin last night, but
havent heard back yet
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be worth much.
i have some ideas about this, i think i mentioned it in a seperate email
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;
> > As TIMTOWTDI in Perl, marking could be extremely difficult unless we have
> > multiple choice questions. Is MSCS multiple choice? SAP is.
> >
> > /Robert
> >
> >
>
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ad the
cheap food of PO it would be ideal - or even some decent pub
food (hot pies etc.)
>
> PS - Since when have messers McCarroll & Cantrell been little people :)
I don't know but it implies Cross has put on a hell of a lot of
weight since i last seen him ;-)
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he PCSE
> logo to training companies, logos and IT directors. I don't
> think a voluntary, well-meaning effort will achieve this.
nope, i don't agree here - i don't think this is easy but their is
precedent, YAPC::*
anyway i'm postin
Attached is a draft proposal
As soon as JS gets a chance to set up the mailing list, i suggest
me move the discussion there.
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Title: Proposal for the formation of a non-profit Perl certification body for the United
> long while back.
i've already fixed this in my draft proposal posting however i now see
that JP has also done it, so we will now have 2 threads with the
same topic ;-) hurrah!
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o think i'm a reasonably good business person as well
as engineer, i don't think we will have a problem with this sort
of expertise.
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score high on CiP,
the same goes for Sub::Approx. However modules that used them seriously
would, so maybe we need another term for this ...
Crack Dealer - One who produces modules, code snippets or techniques
that will in themselves not high in the CiP rating, helps others encourage
high CiP ratings.
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r IBM.
>
YAS has already had `salaried' staff and grants so thats not that
new a thing, if the certification brings in cash i'm sure some of
it can be redirected to the costs. But I am keen to see the certification
content first before we get bogged down in theoretical balance sheets.
(imho)
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Perl components wherever Java currently has an edge).
>
> does such a YAS exist (or other type of body)?
>
not currently, and it sounds like a wider goal, all we want is a
certification mechanism for the UK at the minute, its a smaller
and more achievable goal
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e
> this is less of a problem than i thought. we can discuss these funding
> mechanics (which i think are of vital importance actually) offlist in a
> committee session.
>
however remember that all committee sessions should be publically available
as is the YAS wa
JS, has yet again set up another mailing list for us ...
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
its a majordomo so its:
subscribe perl-cert
in the body of the text to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
kudos again to JS for this,
greg
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* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:30:26AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>
> > ok, but i wouldn't worry about b. anytime soon, you have to remember
> > Larry has said, he'd rather be certified than see perl certification
> &
when did CPAN get a funky new logo ...
http://www.cpan.org/misc/jpg/cpan.jpg
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es.
>
look at my perl ``processor'' ...
perl -ne ''
;-)
> Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "my problem is i can type like the wind and
> have no respect for spelling, grammar or any obstacles"
> -- Greg McCarroll
I&#x
is 02892.
>
I didn't call my family for 4 weeks because of this, eventually my mother
decided to go to the expense of calling my mobile, what can i say?
she's from Ballymena.
Greg (who realises very few people will understand that)
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do
free certification exams at YAPC::Europe as a public launch
naturally this is subject to the perl-cert committee and YAPC::Europe
committee and making it from my hotel to the conference without
stopping off for a quick cup of coffee ;-)
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* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:33:59AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > * Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > Have you thought about charging structures, SAP charge about 300gbp to take
> > > a certification exam, and
make up rightish sounding
words that are made up and a module to do maths with strings based
on the number of UPPER and lower case characters
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argument
# $a->receivemomentofperfecthappiness()
# is called
$a->{has_soul}; # returns 0
$a->curse();
in fact with some `debug' code to stdout, you could have a BtVS
script generator
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ctions on how to get there.
> > >
> > > Could someone please post the directions before Thursday.
> >
> >http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=532459&Y=180389&A=Y&Z=1
>
> And now on the web site. Apologies for general crapness in not g
in Damian's view of the world RFC324 is a good thing!
>
> I'M SORRY IT WAS MEANT AS A JOKE!!!
>
There is a term for sick twisted people like you Dave, its `Perl Monger'.
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have either a windows or macos
> box to use).
>
you can configure an Airport with a Java program on linux, i
think the jar file is called AirportConfigurator.jar or some
other imaginative title.
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as a child?
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* Robin Houston ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 01:36:54PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> >
> > Did you all know that i used to blow up pressurised butane
> > cannisters as a child?
>
> We *all* used to do *that* :-)
>
I'm lucky not to h
* Andrew Bowman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > From: Greg McCarroll [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Did you all know that i used to blow up pressurised butane
> > cannisters as a child?
>
> I guess that goes with the accent Greg ;-)
>
> If you hadn't discov
gists is a bit
OTT, but they are all Windows users who don't realise the evil
that is diskkeeper!
Greg (da kook)
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* dcross - David Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> From: Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: 03 April 2001 13:56
>
> > So, should we start baiting Scientologists through the archive?
>
> Where do I start?
>
> * L Ron Hubbard is on record as saying
king.
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ey also do some great organic beer, of course you bring whatever
you like anyway
>I shall have to brush up on my ghost stories :¬)
>
i've got a great one, it starts out with a monster attacking
a gypsy campsite and killing all but a few, however they place
a curse
Do the words "foot" and "mouth" mean nothing to you?
>
i was using the working assumption, that the time for the F&M ban
to be lifted was less than the time required for london.pm to
organise this
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ers into a forest,
get them drunk and watch the chaos. your definition of crazy
involves straight jackets or joining the SDLP ;-)
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* Lucy McWilliam ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>
> > * Somebody wrote
> > > > Hmmm. Do the words "foot" and "mouth" mean nothing to you?
> >
> > i was using the working assumption, that the t
;)
>
yip, but its probably not near sussex and you really don't
want a 5 ft radius circle of charcoal left in it
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* Simon Wilcox ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> At 15:29 03/04/2001 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>
>
> >How would people in London.pm like a one night camp out, subject
> >to the F&M issue going away. The plan would be - we bundle into
> >vehicles on a given afterno
ganisation efforts
will concentrate on muffins as opposed to explosives
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* David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 09:12:57PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
> > Oh, so this list was a bunch of nutters and Buffy fans the whole time
> > and no-one told me?
>
> And drunks! Don't forget drunks!
>
drunk crazy b
strictly necessary
> > collection of sharp edges.
>
> I have a pointy stick especially for the toasting of marshmallows. I kid
> you not.
>
ah, but do you have a point stick for speciality sausages from
the farm shop?
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oes that mean we can heckle but they can't? :-)
>
> That would be "Tell all your friends, no heckling."
>
> Doesn't anyone learn grammar any more :)
>
learning grammar, not be needing to
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When it's bad, it's still pretty good."
>
hmmm,
Sex is like pizza, you always want more on top.
Sex is like pizza, sometimes you leave a crust.
Sex is like pizza, sometimes you end up with stick strings of stuff
hanging from your mouth.
and ...
Sex is like pizza, melted c
aving a go at
all forms of humour. ho hum.
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ok, was i the only one who had to ueedecode this and get ...
> thanks philip. I realised having my webmail account as a recipient for
> the mailing lists was proving painful. Corporate outlook seems much
> better
this is what i'm talking about btw ...
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Philip Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, while the disclaimer came out fine, my mailer (MS Outlook)
> displayed the real "body" (with your message) as an attachment.
>
mutt displayed it as a uuencoded block of well uuencodi
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> test. can you read this one, or is it attached? This is in Microsoft
> Outlook Rich Text. The previous mails have been sent in Plain Text.
>
thats perfect as far as i'm concerned (mutt user)
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* Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> *scroll down if you feel like it!*
probably best if you do
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