[LUTE] Re: New music for lute

[Peter Martin]

   Hello all,
   Reporting back: sadly there was no new theorbo music in this concert.
   The three new pieces were all for solo recorder.   A very fine concert
   nonetheless, with excellent continuo from Alex McCartney in Telemann,
   Blavet etc, and a couple of Kapsberger toccatas.
   [1]http://www.baroqueattheedge.co.uk/category/event/
   I had a brief chat with the festival director afterwards who told me
   that Matthew Wadsworth had commissioned some new theorbo music (Toby
   Carr also mentioned this   earlier in this thread).   The piece, The
   Miller's Tale by Stephen Goss, was premiered at the Wigmore Hall in
   London in March 2017 and Matthew has now recorded it.
   Here's a link from his website
   [2]https://matthewwadsworth.com/commissions
   and a promotional video
   [3]https://youtu.be/hkXmtZEVAIw
   It's a nice piece, I hope it gains some traction with other players.
   Peter
   On 22 December 2017 at 10:20, Peter Martin <[4]peter.l...@gmail.com>
   wrote:

Thanks all for your thoughts.There certainly is new lute
 music out
there,   but it does seem to attract very little interest
 compared to
the old stuff.
It looks like there will be some new music with theorbo at this
 London
concert on 6 January.I   shall go along and check it out.
 Maybe see
some of you there?
[1][5]https://lso.co.uk/whats-on/icalrepeat.detail/2018/01/
 06/1230/-/tabea
-debus-alex-mccartney.html
Peter

   --

References

   1. http://www.baroqueattheedge.co.uk/category/event/
   2. https://matthewwadsworth.com/commissions
   3. https://youtu.be/hkXmtZEVAIw
   4. mailto:peter.l...@gmail.com
   5. https://lso.co.uk/whats-on/icalrepeat.detail/2018/01/06/1230/-/tabea


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[LUTE] Re: New music

[Stephan Olbertz]

   I heard Paul O'Dette performing the Langsames Menuet (or similar) from
   that sonata as an encore years ago. I already knew the music before and
   found it a bit dry, but Paul's musicianship certainly gave life to it.
   Regards
   Stephan

   ...

   am 28.12.2017 12:36 nachm., Martyn Hodgson
    schrieb:


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[LUTE] Re: New music

[Martyn Hodgson]

   Dear Stuart,
   Did you ever get round to looking at the Sonata Op 31 No5  for lute by
   Johann Nepomuk David - a reasonably well known composer between the
   wars and into the post-war period - I sent you several moons ago? It
   was originally published by Breitkopf & Hartel (cat no EB 5781) in 1947
   so obviously they expected some following (and sales) even then.  I've
   never heard it played! - perhaps it's not known by most modern
   lutenists...
   David's Wiki link here
   [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Nepomuk_David
   The B link here
   [2]https://www.breitkopf.com/search?__clear=true=David%2C%20Johan
   n%20Nepomuk=ZUPFINSTRUMENTE
   Note that on both these sites the two works by David which include lute
   (the other is a set of variations for recorder and lute of 1949) are
   listed, incorrectly, as being for guitar. This is down to later (c.
   1970s) arrangements made by the guitarist Karl Scheit and also
   published by B in an arrangement for guitar. However the original
   publications (copies of which are in my possession) clearly identify
   'Laute allein' and, indeed, the first page of the sonata in the earlier
   edition gives the composer's expected tuning: G c f a d g' (ie the old
   lute tuning and _not_  the guitar tuning). Indeed, it fits well on an
   instrument in this tuning - 'though I found it necessary to intabulate
   to play, since it is written in the single octave transposing treble
   clef - as employed for the modern guitar.
   regards and best wishes for 2018
   Martyyn
 __

   From: WALSH STUART <s.wa...@ntlworld.com>
   To: "Braig, Eugene" <brai...@osu.edu>; lutelist Net
   <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Thursday, 28 December 2017, 10:14
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: New music
   I am an amateur player and I really enjoy encountering and playing
   contemporary music. Much of it, though, is off limits to all but
   virtuoso specialists like Peter  Söderberg.
   At a recent Lute Society a leading British lutenist played a modern
   piece and he underlined several times that new music is good only if
   it's good music. As  it turned out the piece was in contemporary
   conservative style - as if the 20th century had never happened.
   For me, there is a particular delight in playing, for example, a little
   18th century piece for English guitar from the 1760s and then something
   more troubling and dark like this little piece by Karkoff from 1985:
   [3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2uee48GlNA
   Stuart
   > Eugene
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: [4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   [mailto:[5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Christopher Wilke
   > Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 8:11 PM
   > To: Dan Winheld; [6]r.turov...@gmail.com
   > Cc: Ron Andrico; Ido Shdaimah; lutelist Net
   > Subject: [LUTE] Re: New music
   >
   > Epitaph is a great one. I nearly wrecked my wrist practicing the
   middle section of Crimson's aptly-named "Fracture" on baroque lute.
   Constantly running straight 16th notes at 120 without a single break
   for close to 4 minutes. Ouch! Hats off to Robert Fripp who composed and
   performed that beast in guitar tuning, on which it isn't any easier.
   Fripp now uses a "New Standard Tuning" of his own invention, but
   recorded this piece in standard tuning in the 1970's. (How's that for
   HIP? ;-)
   >
   >
   > Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A.
   >  Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
   >  www.christopherwilke.com
   >
   > ------------
   > On Tue, 12/26/17,  <[7]r.turov...@gmail.com> wrote:
   >
   >  Subject: [LUTE] Re: New music
   >  To: "Dan Winheld" <[8]dwinh...@lmi.net>
   >  Cc: "Ron Andrico" <[9]praelu...@hotmail.com>, "Ido Shdaimah"
   <[10]ishdai...@gmail.com>, "lutelist Net" <[11]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   >  Date: Tuesday, December 26, 2017, 3:11 PM
   >
   >  King Crimson's Epitaph also works well!
   >
   >  Sent from my iPhone
   >
   >  > On Dec 26, 2017, at 1:32 PM, Dan
   >  Winheld <[12]dwinh...@lmi.net>
   >  wrote:
   >  >
   >  > Excellent! There aren't nearly
   >  enough lute songs employing the Baroque lute.  Perfect  lute for
   Maestro Wait's vocal range & style.
   >  >
   >  >
   >  >> On 12/26/2017 7:13 AM, Roman
   >  Turovsky wrote:
   >  >>I have a couple
   >  of Tom Waits songs worked up on baroque lute, but that  >>is an
   entirely  different brow level!
   >  >>RT
   >  >>
   >  >>On 12/25/2017
   >  1:15 PM, Ron Andrico wrote:
   >  >>
   >  >>Interesting that
   >  you mention Taylor Swift and the lute.  A 

[LUTE] Re: New music

[WALSH STUART]

I am an amateur player and I really enjoy encountering and playing 
contemporary music. Much of it, though, is off limits to all but 
virtuoso specialists like Peter  Söderberg.


At a recent Lute Society a leading British lutenist played a modern 
piece and he underlined several times that new music is good only if 
it's good music. As  it turned out the piece was in contemporary 
conservative style - as if the 20th century had never happened.


For me, there is a particular delight in playing, for example, a little 
18th century piece for English guitar from the 1760s and then something 
more troubling and dark like this little piece by Karkoff from 1985:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2uee48GlNA

Stuart



Eugene

-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Wilke
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 8:11 PM
To: Dan Winheld; r.turov...@gmail.com
Cc: Ron Andrico; Ido Shdaimah; lutelist Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: New music

Epitaph is a great one. I nearly wrecked my wrist practicing the middle section of Crimson's 
aptly-named "Fracture" on baroque lute. Constantly running straight 16th notes at 120 
without a single break for close to 4 minutes. Ouch! Hats off to Robert Fripp who composed and 
performed that beast in guitar tuning, on which it isn't any easier. Fripp now uses a "New 
Standard Tuning" of his own invention, but recorded this piece in standard tuning in the 
1970's. (How's that for HIP? ;-)


Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A.
  Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
  www.christopherwilke.com


On Tue, 12/26/17,  <r.turov...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Subject: [LUTE] Re: New music
  To: "Dan Winheld" <dwinh...@lmi.net>
  Cc: "Ron Andrico" <praelu...@hotmail.com>, "Ido Shdaimah" <ishdai...@gmail.com>, 
"lutelist Net" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
  Date: Tuesday, December 26, 2017, 3:11 PM
  
  King Crimson’s Epitaph also works well!
  
  Sent from my iPhone
  
  > On Dec 26, 2017, at 1:32 PM, Dan

  Winheld <dwinh...@lmi.net>
  wrote:
  >
  > Excellent! There aren't nearly
  enough lute songs employing the Baroque lute.  Perfect  lute for Maestro Wait's 
vocal range & style.
  >
  >
  >> On 12/26/2017 7:13 AM, Roman
  Turovsky wrote:
  >>    I have a couple
  of Tom Waits songs worked up on baroque lute, but that  >>    is an entirely  
different brow level!
  >>    RT
  >>
  >>    On 12/25/2017
  1:15 PM, Ron Andrico wrote:
  >>
  >>    Interesting that
  you mention Taylor Swift and the lute.  A sound  >>    engineer who  twists knobs for her live shows 
discovered our music and  >>    is now a regular  Mignarda concertgoer, even hiring us for on demand  
>>  performances.  He said that, while he is a dedicated  professional and  >>    very good at 
his  work, when he's off-duty he wants to hear honest,  >>    direct, and  convincing music.  We're OK 
with that.
  >>
  >>    RA
  >>
  __
  >>
  >>    From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu  [2]<lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu>  on  >>    behalf of Roman  
Turovsky [3]<r.turov...@gmail.com>  >>    Sent: Monday,  December 25, 2017 3:53 PM  >>    To: Ido 
Shdaimah;  lutelist Net  >>    Subject: [LUTE]
  Re: New music
  >>
  >>    If Taylor Swift
  ever picks up a lute - I'd be sorely tempted to look  >>    for  >>    another  
>>    instrument for  myself.
  >>    Lute has been (at
  least to some of us) an antidote for kitsch that  >>    permeates the  >>    
commercial mass  culture.
  >>    Such reactions
  are not limited to lutes. There has a huge backlash  >>    against mass  
production,  >>    and a resurgence  of the handmade in all other art fields.
  >>    RT
  >>    On 12/25/2017
  8:12 AM, Ido Shdaimah wrote:
  >>    >
   Interesting mail, Tristan.
  >>    >
   While many of us (including me) would like to see the lute  >>    flourish in  
>>    >
   the world of modern classical music, maybe its best chance  is  >>    actually  
>>    >
   in more popular types of music.
  >>    >
   I think a few factors might block that though:
  >>    >
   1. Obscurity: Sterling Price gave an anecdote in one of  his  >>    videos (If  
>>    >
   I recall correctly), where he told someone he plays the  lute, and  >>    that  
>>    >
   fellow thought he was referring to the flute. Yes, many  people  >>    don't  
>>    >
   know what is a lute or don't know that it's still played  today.
  >>    >
   2. Price: Like you mentioned, not e

[LUTE] Re: New music

[Braig, Eugene]

In the most '70s-est sense.

Eugene

-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Wilke
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 8:11 PM
To: Dan Winheld; r.turov...@gmail.com
Cc: Ron Andrico; Ido Shdaimah; lutelist Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: New music

Epitaph is a great one. I nearly wrecked my wrist practicing the middle section 
of Crimson's aptly-named "Fracture" on baroque lute. Constantly running 
straight 16th notes at 120 without a single break for close to 4 minutes. Ouch! 
Hats off to Robert Fripp who composed and performed that beast in guitar 
tuning, on which it isn't any easier. Fripp now uses a "New Standard Tuning" of 
his own invention, but recorded this piece in standard tuning in the 1970's. 
(How's that for HIP? ;-)


Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A.
 Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
 www.christopherwilke.com


On Tue, 12/26/17,  <r.turov...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: [LUTE] Re: New music
 To: "Dan Winheld" <dwinh...@lmi.net>
 Cc: "Ron Andrico" <praelu...@hotmail.com>, "Ido Shdaimah" 
<ishdai...@gmail.com>, "lutelist Net" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
 Date: Tuesday, December 26, 2017, 3:11 PM
 
 King Crimson’s Epitaph also works well!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 > On Dec 26, 2017, at 1:32 PM, Dan
 Winheld <dwinh...@lmi.net>
 wrote:
 >
 > Excellent! There aren't nearly
 enough lute songs employing the Baroque lute.  Perfect  lute for Maestro 
Wait's vocal range & style.
 >
 >
 >> On 12/26/2017 7:13 AM, Roman
 Turovsky wrote:
 >>    I have a couple
 of Tom Waits songs worked up on baroque lute, but that  >>    is an entirely  
different brow level!
 >>    RT
 >>
 >>    On 12/25/2017
 1:15 PM, Ron Andrico wrote:
 >>
 >>    Interesting that
 you mention Taylor Swift and the lute.  A sound  >>    engineer who  twists 
knobs for her live shows discovered our music and  >>    is now a regular  
Mignarda concertgoer, even hiring us for on demand  >>  performances.  He said 
that, while he is a dedicated  professional and  >>    very good at his  work, 
when he's off-duty he wants to hear honest,  >>    direct, and  convincing 
music.  We're OK with that.
 >>
 >>    RA
 >>
 __
 >>
 >>    From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu  [2]<lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu>  on  
 >>>>    behalf of Roman  Turovsky [3]<r.turov...@gmail.com>  >>    Sent: 
 >>Monday,  December 25, 2017 3:53 PM  >>    To: Ido Shdaimah;  lutelist Net  
 >>>>    Subject: [LUTE]
 Re: New music
 >>
 >>    If Taylor Swift
 ever picks up a lute - I'd be sorely tempted to look  >>    for  >>    another 
 >>    instrument for  myself.
 >>    Lute has been (at
 least to some of us) an antidote for kitsch that  >>    permeates the  >>    
commercial mass  culture.
 >>    Such reactions
 are not limited to lutes. There has a huge backlash  >>    against mass  
production,  >>    and a resurgence  of the handmade in all other art fields.
 >>    RT
 >>    On 12/25/2017
 8:12 AM, Ido Shdaimah wrote:
 >>    >
  Interesting mail, Tristan.
 >>    >
  While many of us (including me) would like to see the lute  >>    flourish in 
 >>    >
  the world of modern classical music, maybe its best chance  is  >>    
actually  >>    >
  in more popular types of music.
 >>    >
  I think a few factors might block that though:
 >>    >
  1. Obscurity: Sterling Price gave an anecdote in one of  his  >>    videos 
(If  >>    >
  I recall correctly), where he told someone he plays the  lute, and  >>    
that  >>    >
  fellow thought he was referring to the flute. Yes, many  people  >>    don't  
>>    >
  know what is a lute or don't know that it's still played  today.
 >>    >
  2. Price: Like you mentioned, not everyone can even afford  (or  >>    want 
to  >>    >
  buy) Luth Dore lutes, but most would stay clear of  overpriced  >>    
Pakistani  >>    >
  lutes. Something like Yamaha guitars; cheap but playable  enough,  >>    
would  >>    >
  do wonders to the lute world.
 >>    >
  3. Available repertoire, which lacks two things: popularity  of  >>    the 
old  >>    >
  music and modern popular music. If Taylor Swift (for
 example)
 >>    suddenly
 >>    >
  started playing the lute on stage and had songs for it, we  would  >>    >
  definitely see a large influx of new players. Having  >>    intabulations of  
>>    >
  p

[LUTE] Re: New music

[Christopher Wilke]

Epitaph is a great one. I nearly wrecked my wrist practicing the middle section 
of Crimson's aptly-named "Fracture" on baroque lute. Constantly running 
straight 16th notes at 120 without a single break for close to 4 minutes. Ouch! 
Hats off to Robert Fripp who composed and performed that beast in guitar 
tuning, on which it isn't any easier. Fripp now uses a "New Standard Tuning" of 
his own invention, but recorded this piece in standard tuning in the 1970's. 
(How's that for HIP? ;-)


Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A.
 Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
 www.christopherwilke.com


On Tue, 12/26/17,  <r.turov...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: [LUTE] Re: New music
 To: "Dan Winheld" <dwinh...@lmi.net>
 Cc: "Ron Andrico" <praelu...@hotmail.com>, "Ido Shdaimah" 
<ishdai...@gmail.com>, "lutelist Net" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
 Date: Tuesday, December 26, 2017, 3:11 PM
 
 King Crimson’s Epitaph also works well!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 > On Dec 26, 2017, at 1:32 PM, Dan
 Winheld <dwinh...@lmi.net>
 wrote:
 > 
 > Excellent! There aren't nearly
 enough lute songs employing the Baroque lute.  Perfect
 lute for Maestro Wait's vocal range & style.
 > 
 > 
 >> On 12/26/2017 7:13 AM, Roman
 Turovsky wrote:
 >>    I have a couple
 of Tom Waits songs worked up on baroque lute, but that
 >>    is an entirely
 different brow level!
 >>    RT
 >> 
 >>    On 12/25/2017
 1:15 PM, Ron Andrico wrote:
 >> 
 >>    Interesting that
 you mention Taylor Swift and the lute.  A sound
 >>    engineer who
 twists knobs for her live shows discovered our music and
 >>    is now a regular
 Mignarda concertgoer, even hiring us for on demand
 >>   
 performances.  He said that, while he is a dedicated
 professional and
 >>    very good at his
 work, when he's off-duty he wants to hear honest,
 >>    direct, and
 convincing music.  We're OK with that.
 >> 
 >>    RA
 >>     
 __
 >> 
 >>    From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 [2]<lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
 on
 >>    behalf of Roman
 Turovsky [3]<r.turov...@gmail.com>
 >>    Sent: Monday,
 December 25, 2017 3:53 PM
 >>    To: Ido Shdaimah;
 lutelist Net
 >>    Subject: [LUTE]
 Re: New music
 >> 
 >>    If Taylor Swift
 ever picks up a lute - I'd be sorely tempted to look
 >>    for
 >>    another
 >>    instrument for
 myself.
 >>    Lute has been (at
 least to some of us) an antidote for kitsch that
 >>    permeates the
 >>    commercial mass
 culture.
 >>    Such reactions
 are not limited to lutes. There has a huge backlash
 >>    against mass
 production,
 >>    and a resurgence
 of the handmade in all other art fields.
 >>    RT
 >>    On 12/25/2017
 8:12 AM, Ido Shdaimah wrote:
 >>    >   
  Interesting mail, Tristan.
 >>    >   
  While many of us (including me) would like to see the lute
 >>    flourish in
 >>    >   
  the world of modern classical music, maybe its best chance
 is
 >>    actually
 >>    >   
  in more popular types of music.
 >>    >   
  I think a few factors might block that though:
 >>    >   
  1. Obscurity: Sterling Price gave an anecdote in one of
 his
 >>    videos (If
 >>    >   
  I recall correctly), where he told someone he plays the
 lute, and
 >>    that
 >>    >   
  fellow thought he was referring to the flute. Yes, many
 people
 >>    don't
 >>    >   
  know what is a lute or don't know that it's still played
 today.
 >>    >   
  2. Price: Like you mentioned, not everyone can even afford
 (or
 >>    want to
 >>    >   
  buy) Luth Dore lutes, but most would stay clear of
 overpriced
 >>    Pakistani
 >>    >   
  lutes. Something like Yamaha guitars; cheap but playable
 enough,
 >>    would
 >>    >   
  do wonders to the lute world.
 >>    >   
  3. Available repertoire, which lacks two things: popularity
 of
 >>    the old
 >>    >   
  music and modern popular music. If Taylor Swift (for
 example)
 >>    suddenly
 >>    >   
  started playing the lute on stage and had songs for it, we
 would
 >>    >   
  definitely see a large influx of new players. Having
 >>    intabulations of
 >>    >   
  popular music to the lute is not enough, it's also
 important to
 >>    bring
 >>    >   
  the instrument out of obscurity.
 >>    >   
  The lute does have a lot of advantages such as the easy
 systems
 >>    of
 >>    >   
  French and Ita

[LUTE] Re: New music

[Tristan von Neumann]

You might want to consider that if the Tieffenbruckers had modern mass 
production facilities, they would have been the first to use them...



Am 25.12.2017 um 19:28 schrieb Ron Andrico:

In defense of our highly skilled luthiers, I have to say that lutes are
comparatively under-priced.  It takes a much higher level of skill to
make a fine lute than it does to build a guitar of comparable quality,
and luthiers are generally underappreciated and underpaid.  For
instance, a professional cellist once asked me how much a decent
theorbo cost.  When I replied that one could be had for in the
neighborhood of $7000, she said that's about the price of a serviceable
bow for a cello.

While availability of inexpensive lutes may seem like a logical mode of
attracting more interest, the experience of playing a good lute is what
really draws a person in.  But I also have to disagree with the idea
that the lute will ever catch on in popular music.  Everyone's hearing
has been compromised, the lute is simply too quiet, and when you plug
in, it's no longer a lute but rather more electronic noise.
RA
  __

From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf
of Ido Shdaimah <ishdai...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2017 1:12 PM
To: lutelist Net
    Subject: [LUTE] Re: New music

   Interesting mail, Tristan.
   While many of us (including me) would like to see the lute flourish
in
   the world of modern classical music, maybe its best chance is
actually
   in more popular types of music.
   I think a few factors might block that though:
   1. Obscurity: Sterling Price gave an anecdote in one of his videos
(If
   I recall correctly), where he told someone he plays the lute, and
that
   fellow thought he was referring to the flute. Yes, many people don't
   know what is a lute or don't know that it's still played today.
   2. Price: Like you mentioned, not everyone can even afford (or want
to
   buy) Luth Dore lutes, but most would stay clear of overpriced
Pakistani
   lutes. Something like Yamaha guitars; cheap but playable enough,
would
   do wonders to the lute world.
   3. Available repertoire, which lacks two things: popularity of the
old
   music and modern popular music. If Taylor Swift (for example)
suddenly
   started playing the lute on stage and had songs for it, we would
   definitely see a large influx of new players. Having intabulations
of
   popular music to the lute is not enough, it's also important to
bring
   the instrument out of obscurity.
   The lute does have a lot of advantages such as the easy systems of
   French and Italian tablature. The availability of a lot of cool (but
   obscure) repertoire. Its portability and its sweet, delicate and
warm
   tone more suitable to the human voice than the guitar (in my
opinion).
   I'm not sure if all these are enough to tackle the above problems.
   On Dec 23, 2017 02:08, "Tristan von Neumann"
   <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
 This is probably too pessimistic, for reasons I will now try to
 explain I hope in a deeper look at today's music.
 Of course this is just an educated guess, not a prophecy, and more
 of an encouragement. The Lutists ultimately set the course. (oh no
-
 back in the pundaemonium...)
 1. The audience for Early Music (even really early music) is
bigger
 than the "New Music" ("Neue Musik").
 Whenever a composer is successfully appealing to a general
audience,
 you can always assume it is because of a great sense of
traditional
 tonality or modality. Philip Glass and John Adams seem widely
 popular in the US even among the non-classical audiences.
 In Europe, there's Arvo PÃ ¤rt who left the path of atonality and
 serialism, and it seems the Spectralists of France are well based
in
 the tradition of Debussy, Ravel and Messiaen (take Dalbavie for
 example).
 Therefore, an obscure instrument is just introduced into an even
 more obscure scene. (viewed from the mass standpoint)
 Such musical approach was at least until around 2000 also part of
 the film score scene. Jerry Goldsmith, John Williams and others
have
 treated film scores as New Music. But here is the strong move:
 By forcing it onto millions of movie buffs, for the duration of
 popularity of this movie, there is a considerable amount of time
for
 a good tune, a good theme, to leak out as a "cover version",
 establishing a basis even for canonification. Some are more
 succes

[LUTE] Re: New music

[Daniel Shoskes]

Pat had told me that I could freely share his files but not his jazz 
intabulations, which he meant as gifts for Ellen Hargis. Perhaps with Ellen’s 
permission we can share them. She will be the Pat O’Brien lecturer this summer 
at the LSA meeting.

For now, his other files can be found at ob1lute.com (work in progress)


> On Dec 26, 2017, at 4:22 PM, G. C.  wrote:
> 
>   Dear Daniel,
>   those intabulations would be wonderful to be able to access! Are they?
>   Best
>   G.
>   On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Daniel Shoskes
>   <[1]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>   Pat's wonderful arrangements were fully intabulated.
> 
>   --
> 
> References
> 
>   1. mailto:kidneykut...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> To get on or off this list see list information at
> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: New music

[G. C.]

   Dear Daniel,
   those intabulations would be wonderful to be able to access! Are they?
   Best
   G.
   On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Daniel Shoskes
   <[1]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote:
   Pat's wonderful arrangements were fully intabulated.

   --

References

   1. mailto:kidneykut...@gmail.com


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http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: New music

[Daniel Shoskes]

Pat’s wonderful arrangements were fully intabulated. 

> On Dec 26, 2017, at 3:34 PM, guy_and_liz Smith <guy_and_...@msn.com> wrote:
> 
> I've been playing a fair amount of jazz lately (on trombone, not lute, but 
> that's another story). Jazz charts are conceptually similar to figured base; 
> the details are different, but it's the same basic idea. Shouldn't be any 
> harder to play from a chart with lute than it is with guitar, and there are 
> tons of charts available.
> 
> At LSA seminars past, I've heard both Pat O'Brien and Paul O'Dette play jazz 
> standards on Baroque instruments and it sounded great (especially with Ellen 
> Hargis vocals). That said, I'm not sure if they were working from a chart or 
> had transcribed the pieces.
> 
> Guy  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf 
> Of r.turov...@gmail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 12:12 PM
> To: Dan Winheld
> Cc: Ron Andrico; Ido Shdaimah; lutelist Net
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: New music
> 
> King Crimson’s Epitaph also works well!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 26, 2017, at 1:32 PM, Dan Winheld <dwinh...@lmi.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Excellent! There aren't nearly enough lute songs employing the Baroque lute. 
>>  Perfect lute for Maestro Wait's vocal range & style.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 12/26/2017 7:13 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote:
>>>   I have a couple of Tom Waits songs worked up on baroque lute, but that
>>>   is an entirely different brow level!
>>>   RT
>>> 
>>>   On 12/25/2017 1:15 PM, Ron Andrico wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Interesting that you mention Taylor Swift and the lute.  A sound
>>>   engineer who twists knobs for her live shows discovered our music and
>>>   is now a regular Mignarda concertgoer, even hiring us for on demand
>>>   performances.  He said that, while he is a dedicated professional and
>>>   very good at his work, when he's off-duty he wants to hear honest,
>>>   direct, and convincing music.  We're OK with that.
>>> 
>>>   RA
>>> ______________
>>> 
>>>   From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [2]<lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on
>>>   behalf of Roman Turovsky [3]<r.turov...@gmail.com>
>>>   Sent: Monday, December 25, 2017 3:53 PM
>>>   To: Ido Shdaimah; lutelist Net
>>>   Subject: [LUTE] Re: New music
>>> 
>>>   If Taylor Swift ever picks up a lute - I'd be sorely tempted to look
>>>   for
>>>   another
>>>   instrument for myself.
>>>   Lute has been (at least to some of us) an antidote for kitsch that
>>>   permeates the
>>>   commercial mass culture.
>>>   Such reactions are not limited to lutes. There has a huge backlash
>>>   against mass production,
>>>   and a resurgence of the handmade in all other art fields.
>>>   RT
>>>   On 12/25/2017 8:12 AM, Ido Shdaimah wrote:
>>>>Interesting mail, Tristan.
>>>>While many of us (including me) would like to see the lute
>>>   flourish in
>>>>the world of modern classical music, maybe its best chance is
>>>   actually
>>>>in more popular types of music.
>>>>I think a few factors might block that though:
>>>>1. Obscurity: Sterling Price gave an anecdote in one of his
>>>   videos (If
>>>>I recall correctly), where he told someone he plays the lute, and
>>>   that
>>>>fellow thought he was referring to the flute. Yes, many people
>>>   don't
>>>>know what is a lute or don't know that it's still played today.
>>>>2. Price: Like you mentioned, not everyone can even afford (or
>>>   want to
>>>>buy) Luth Dore lutes, but most would stay clear of overpriced
>>>   Pakistani
>>>>lutes. Something like Yamaha guitars; cheap but playable enough,
>>>   would
>>>>do wonders to the lute world.
>>>>3. Available repertoire, which lacks two things: popularity of
>>>   the old
>>>>music and modern popular music. If Taylor Swift (for example)
>>>   suddenly
>>>>started playing the lute on stage and had songs for it, we would
>>>>definitely see a large influx of new players. Having
>>>   intabulations of
>>>>popular music to the lute is not enough, it's also important to
>>>   bring
>>>>the instrument out of obscurity.

[LUTE] Re: New music

[guy_and_liz Smith]

I've been playing a fair amount of jazz lately (on trombone, not lute, but 
that's another story). Jazz charts are conceptually similar to figured base; 
the details are different, but it's the same basic idea. Shouldn't be any 
harder to play from a chart with lute than it is with guitar, and there are 
tons of charts available.

At LSA seminars past, I've heard both Pat O'Brien and Paul O'Dette play jazz 
standards on Baroque instruments and it sounded great (especially with Ellen 
Hargis vocals). That said, I'm not sure if they were working from a chart or 
had transcribed the pieces.

Guy  

-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
r.turov...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 12:12 PM
To: Dan Winheld
Cc: Ron Andrico; Ido Shdaimah; lutelist Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: New music

King Crimson’s Epitaph also works well!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 26, 2017, at 1:32 PM, Dan Winheld <dwinh...@lmi.net> wrote:
> 
> Excellent! There aren't nearly enough lute songs employing the Baroque lute.  
> Perfect lute for Maestro Wait's vocal range & style.
> 
> 
>> On 12/26/2017 7:13 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote:
>>I have a couple of Tom Waits songs worked up on baroque lute, but that
>>is an entirely different brow level!
>>RT
>> 
>>On 12/25/2017 1:15 PM, Ron Andrico wrote:
>> 
>>Interesting that you mention Taylor Swift and the lute.  A sound
>>engineer who twists knobs for her live shows discovered our music and
>>is now a regular Mignarda concertgoer, even hiring us for on demand
>>performances.  He said that, while he is a dedicated professional and
>>very good at his work, when he's off-duty he wants to hear honest,
>>direct, and convincing music.  We're OK with that.
>> 
>>RA
>>  __
>> 
>>From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [2]<lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on
>>behalf of Roman Turovsky [3]<r.turov...@gmail.com>
>>Sent: Monday, December 25, 2017 3:53 PM
>>To: Ido Shdaimah; lutelist Net
>>Subject: [LUTE] Re: New music
>> 
>>If Taylor Swift ever picks up a lute - I'd be sorely tempted to look
>>for
>>another
>>instrument for myself.
>>Lute has been (at least to some of us) an antidote for kitsch that
>>permeates the
>>commercial mass culture.
>>Such reactions are not limited to lutes. There has a huge backlash
>>against mass production,
>>and a resurgence of the handmade in all other art fields.
>>RT
>>On 12/25/2017 8:12 AM, Ido Shdaimah wrote:
>>> Interesting mail, Tristan.
>>> While many of us (including me) would like to see the lute
>>flourish in
>>> the world of modern classical music, maybe its best chance is
>>actually
>>> in more popular types of music.
>>> I think a few factors might block that though:
>>> 1. Obscurity: Sterling Price gave an anecdote in one of his
>>videos (If
>>> I recall correctly), where he told someone he plays the lute, and
>>that
>>> fellow thought he was referring to the flute. Yes, many people
>>don't
>>> know what is a lute or don't know that it's still played today.
>>> 2. Price: Like you mentioned, not everyone can even afford (or
>>want to
>>> buy) Luth Dore lutes, but most would stay clear of overpriced
>>Pakistani
>>> lutes. Something like Yamaha guitars; cheap but playable enough,
>>would
>>> do wonders to the lute world.
>>> 3. Available repertoire, which lacks two things: popularity of
>>the old
>>> music and modern popular music. If Taylor Swift (for example)
>>suddenly
>>> started playing the lute on stage and had songs for it, we would
>>> definitely see a large influx of new players. Having
>>intabulations of
>>> popular music to the lute is not enough, it's also important to
>>bring
>>> the instrument out of obscurity.
>>> The lute does have a lot of advantages such as the easy systems
>>of
>>> French and Italian tablature. The availability of a lot of cool
>>(but
>>> obscure) repertoire. Its portability and its sweet, delicate and
>>warm
>>> tone more suitable to the human voice than the guitar (in my
>>opinion).
>&

[LUTE] Re: New music

[r . turovsky]

King Crimson’s Epitaph also works well!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 26, 2017, at 1:32 PM, Dan Winheld <dwinh...@lmi.net> wrote:
> 
> Excellent! There aren't nearly enough lute songs employing the Baroque lute.  
> Perfect lute for Maestro Wait's vocal range & style.
> 
> 
>> On 12/26/2017 7:13 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote:
>>I have a couple of Tom Waits songs worked up on baroque lute, but that
>>is an entirely different brow level!
>>RT
>> 
>>On 12/25/2017 1:15 PM, Ron Andrico wrote:
>> 
>>Interesting that you mention Taylor Swift and the lute.  A sound
>>engineer who twists knobs for her live shows discovered our music and
>>is now a regular Mignarda concertgoer, even hiring us for on demand
>>performances.  He said that, while he is a dedicated professional and
>>very good at his work, when he's off-duty he wants to hear honest,
>>direct, and convincing music.  We're OK with that.
>> 
>>RA
>>  __
>> 
>>From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [2]<lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on
>>behalf of Roman Turovsky [3]<r.turov...@gmail.com>
>>Sent: Monday, December 25, 2017 3:53 PM
>>To: Ido Shdaimah; lutelist Net
>>Subject: [LUTE] Re: New music
>> 
>>If Taylor Swift ever picks up a lute - I'd be sorely tempted to look
>>for
>>another
>>instrument for myself.
>>Lute has been (at least to some of us) an antidote for kitsch that
>>permeates the
>>commercial mass culture.
>>Such reactions are not limited to lutes. There has a huge backlash
>>against mass production,
>>and a resurgence of the handmade in all other art fields.
>>RT
>>On 12/25/2017 8:12 AM, Ido Shdaimah wrote:
>>> Interesting mail, Tristan.
>>> While many of us (including me) would like to see the lute
>>flourish in
>>> the world of modern classical music, maybe its best chance is
>>actually
>>> in more popular types of music.
>>> I think a few factors might block that though:
>>> 1. Obscurity: Sterling Price gave an anecdote in one of his
>>videos (If
>>> I recall correctly), where he told someone he plays the lute, and
>>that
>>> fellow thought he was referring to the flute. Yes, many people
>>don't
>>> know what is a lute or don't know that it's still played today.
>>> 2. Price: Like you mentioned, not everyone can even afford (or
>>want to
>>> buy) Luth Dore lutes, but most would stay clear of overpriced
>>Pakistani
>>> lutes. Something like Yamaha guitars; cheap but playable enough,
>>would
>>> do wonders to the lute world.
>>> 3. Available repertoire, which lacks two things: popularity of
>>the old
>>> music and modern popular music. If Taylor Swift (for example)
>>suddenly
>>> started playing the lute on stage and had songs for it, we would
>>> definitely see a large influx of new players. Having
>>intabulations of
>>> popular music to the lute is not enough, it's also important to
>>bring
>>> the instrument out of obscurity.
>>> The lute does have a lot of advantages such as the easy systems
>>of
>>> French and Italian tablature. The availability of a lot of cool
>>(but
>>> obscure) repertoire. Its portability and its sweet, delicate and
>>warm
>>> tone more suitable to the human voice than the guitar (in my
>>opinion).
>>> I'm not sure if all these are enough to tackle the above
>>problems.
>>> On Dec 23, 2017 02:08, "Tristan von Neumann"
>>> [4]<[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>   This is probably too pessimistic, for reasons I will now try to
>>>   explain I hope in a deeper look at today's music.
>>>   Of course this is just an educated guess, not a prophecy, and
>>more
>>>   of an encouragement. The Lutists ultimately set the course. (oh
>>no -
>>>   back in the pundaemonium...)
>>>   1. The audience for Early Music (even really early music) is
>>bigger
>>>   than the "New Music" ("Neue Musik").
>>>   Whe

[LUTE] Re: New music

[Dan Winheld]

Excellent! There aren't nearly enough lute songs employing the Baroque 
lute.  Perfect lute for Maestro Wait's vocal range & style.



On 12/26/2017 7:13 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote:

I have a couple of Tom Waits songs worked up on baroque lute, but that
is an entirely different brow level!
RT

On 12/25/2017 1:15 PM, Ron Andrico wrote:

Interesting that you mention Taylor Swift and the lute.  A sound
engineer who twists knobs for her live shows discovered our music and
is now a regular Mignarda concertgoer, even hiring us for on demand
performances.  He said that, while he is a dedicated professional and
very good at his work, when he's off-duty he wants to hear honest,
direct, and convincing music.  We're OK with that.

RA
  __

From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [2]<lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on
behalf of Roman Turovsky [3]<r.turov...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2017 3:53 PM
To: Ido Shdaimah; lutelist Net
    Subject: [LUTE] Re: New music

If Taylor Swift ever picks up a lute - I'd be sorely tempted to look
for
another
instrument for myself.
Lute has been (at least to some of us) an antidote for kitsch that
permeates the
commercial mass culture.
Such reactions are not limited to lutes. There has a huge backlash
against mass production,
and a resurgence of the handmade in all other art fields.
RT
On 12/25/2017 8:12 AM, Ido Shdaimah wrote:
> Interesting mail, Tristan.
> While many of us (including me) would like to see the lute
flourish in
> the world of modern classical music, maybe its best chance is
actually
> in more popular types of music.
> I think a few factors might block that though:
> 1. Obscurity: Sterling Price gave an anecdote in one of his
videos (If
> I recall correctly), where he told someone he plays the lute, and
that
> fellow thought he was referring to the flute. Yes, many people
don't
> know what is a lute or don't know that it's still played today.
> 2. Price: Like you mentioned, not everyone can even afford (or
want to
> buy) Luth Dore lutes, but most would stay clear of overpriced
Pakistani
> lutes. Something like Yamaha guitars; cheap but playable enough,
would
> do wonders to the lute world.
> 3. Available repertoire, which lacks two things: popularity of
the old
> music and modern popular music. If Taylor Swift (for example)
suddenly
> started playing the lute on stage and had songs for it, we would
> definitely see a large influx of new players. Having
intabulations of
> popular music to the lute is not enough, it's also important to
bring
> the instrument out of obscurity.
> The lute does have a lot of advantages such as the easy systems
of
> French and Italian tablature. The availability of a lot of cool
(but
> obscure) repertoire. Its portability and its sweet, delicate and
warm
> tone more suitable to the human voice than the guitar (in my
opinion).
> I'm not sure if all these are enough to tackle the above
problems.
> On Dec 23, 2017 02:08, "Tristan von Neumann"
> [4]<[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
>
>   This is probably too pessimistic, for reasons I will now try to
>   explain I hope in a deeper look at today's music.
>   Of course this is just an educated guess, not a prophecy, and
more
>   of an encouragement. The Lutists ultimately set the course. (oh
no -
>   back in the pundaemonium...)
>   1. The audience for Early Music (even really early music) is
bigger
>   than the "New Music" ("Neue Musik").
>   Whenever a composer is successfully appealing to a general
audience,
>   you can always assume it is because of a great sense of
traditional
>   tonality or modality. Philip Glass and John Adams seem widely
>   popular in the US even among the non-classical audiences.
>   In Europe, there's Arvo Pärt who left the path of atonality
and
>   serialism, and it seems the Spectralists of France are well
based in
>   the tradition of Debussy, Ravel and Messiaen (take Dalbavie for
>   example).
>   Therefore, an obscure instrument is just introduced into an
even
>   more obscure scene. (viewed from the mass standpoint)
>   Such musical approach was at least until around 2000 also part
of
>   the film score scene. Jerry Go

[LUTE] Re: New music

[Roman Turovsky]

   I have a couple of Tom Waits songs worked up on baroque lute, but that
   is an entirely different brow level!
   RT

   On 12/25/2017 1:15 PM, Ron Andrico wrote:

   Interesting that you mention Taylor Swift and the lute.  A sound
   engineer who twists knobs for her live shows discovered our music and
   is now a regular Mignarda concertgoer, even hiring us for on demand
   performances.  He said that, while he is a dedicated professional and
   very good at his work, when he's off-duty he wants to hear honest,
   direct, and convincing music.  We're OK with that.

   RA
 __

   From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [2]<lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on
   behalf of Roman Turovsky [3]<r.turov...@gmail.com>
   Sent: Monday, December 25, 2017 3:53 PM
   To: Ido Shdaimah; lutelist Net
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: New music

   If Taylor Swift ever picks up a lute - I'd be sorely tempted to look
   for
   another
   instrument for myself.
   Lute has been (at least to some of us) an antidote for kitsch that
   permeates the
   commercial mass culture.
   Such reactions are not limited to lutes. There has a huge backlash
   against mass production,
   and a resurgence of the handmade in all other art fields.
   RT
   On 12/25/2017 8:12 AM, Ido Shdaimah wrote:
   > Interesting mail, Tristan.
   > While many of us (including me) would like to see the lute
   flourish in
   > the world of modern classical music, maybe its best chance is
   actually
   > in more popular types of music.
   > I think a few factors might block that though:
   > 1. Obscurity: Sterling Price gave an anecdote in one of his
   videos (If
   > I recall correctly), where he told someone he plays the lute, and
   that
   > fellow thought he was referring to the flute. Yes, many people
   don't
   > know what is a lute or don't know that it's still played today.
   > 2. Price: Like you mentioned, not everyone can even afford (or
   want to
   > buy) Luth Dore lutes, but most would stay clear of overpriced
   Pakistani
   > lutes. Something like Yamaha guitars; cheap but playable enough,
   would
   > do wonders to the lute world.
   > 3. Available repertoire, which lacks two things: popularity of
   the old
   > music and modern popular music. If Taylor Swift (for example)
   suddenly
   > started playing the lute on stage and had songs for it, we would
   > definitely see a large influx of new players. Having
   intabulations of
   > popular music to the lute is not enough, it's also important to
   bring
   > the instrument out of obscurity.
   > The lute does have a lot of advantages such as the easy systems
   of
   > French and Italian tablature. The availability of a lot of cool
   (but
   > obscure) repertoire. Its portability and its sweet, delicate and
   warm
   > tone more suitable to the human voice than the guitar (in my
   opinion).
   > I'm not sure if all these are enough to tackle the above
   problems.
   > On Dec 23, 2017 02:08, "Tristan von Neumann"
   > [4]<[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
   >
   >   This is probably too pessimistic, for reasons I will now try to
   >   explain I hope in a deeper look at today's music.
   >   Of course this is just an educated guess, not a prophecy, and
   more
   >   of an encouragement. The Lutists ultimately set the course. (oh
   no -
   >   back in the pundaemonium...)
   >   1. The audience for Early Music (even really early music) is
   bigger
   >   than the "New Music" ("Neue Musik").
   >   Whenever a composer is successfully appealing to a general
   audience,
   >   you can always assume it is because of a great sense of
   traditional
   >   tonality or modality. Philip Glass and John Adams seem widely
   >   popular in the US even among the non-classical audiences.
   >   In Europe, there's Arvo Pärt who left the path of atonality
   and
   >   serialism, and it seems the Spectralists of France are well
   based in
   >   the tradition of Debussy, Ravel and Messiaen (take Dalbavie for
   >   example).
   >   Therefore, an obscure instrument is just introduced into an
   even
   >   more obscure scene. (viewed from the mass standpoint)
   >   Such musical approach was at least until around 2000 also part
   of
   >   the film score scene. Jerry Goldsmith, John Williams and others
   have
   >   treated film scores as New Music. But here is the strong move:
   >   By forcing it onto millions of movie buffs, for the duration of
   >   popularity of this movie, there is a considerable amount of
   time for
   >  

[LUTE] Re: New music

[Daniel Shoskes]

Whoops, my error. I saw the link to the article on today’s NYT Facebook feed, 
but the article is from August.

> On Dec 25, 2017, at 6:36 PM, Daniel Shoskes  wrote:
> 
> Don’t know if you are missing the sarcasm emoji, but I was once listed in a 
> concert program as playing the flute. When I asked what happened, it turns 
> out the organizers had it listed correctly but the printers took it upon 
> themselves to correct the obvious typo.
> 
> If you want to make a lute transcription for a modern pop performer, the New 
> York Times today can tell you where the audience might be, at least the 
> youtube viewing audience:
> 
> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/08/07/upshot/music-fandom-maps.html 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 25, 2017, at 4:29 PM, howard posner  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 25, 2017, at 5:12 AM, Ido Shdaimah  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sterling Price gave an anecdote in one of his videos (If
>>> I recall correctly), where he told someone he plays the lute, and that
>>> fellow thought he was referring to the flute.
>> 
>> I cannot imagine such a thing happening.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> To get on or off this list see list information at
>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 
> 
> --

[LUTE] Re: New music

[Daniel Shoskes]

Don’t know if you are missing the sarcasm emoji, but I was once listed in a 
concert program as playing the flute. When I asked what happened, it turns out 
the organizers had it listed correctly but the printers took it upon themselves 
to correct the obvious typo.

If you want to make a lute transcription for a modern pop performer, the New 
York Times today can tell you where the audience might be, at least the youtube 
viewing audience:

 https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/08/07/upshot/music-fandom-maps.html 



> On Dec 25, 2017, at 4:29 PM, howard posner  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Dec 25, 2017, at 5:12 AM, Ido Shdaimah  wrote:
>> 
>> Sterling Price gave an anecdote in one of his videos (If
>>  I recall correctly), where he told someone he plays the lute, and that
>>  fellow thought he was referring to the flute.
> 
> I cannot imagine such a thing happening.
> 
> 
> 
> To get on or off this list see list information at
> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html


--

[LUTE] Re: New music

[howard posner]

> On Dec 25, 2017, at 5:12 AM, Ido Shdaimah  wrote:
> 
> Sterling Price gave an anecdote in one of his videos (If
>   I recall correctly), where he told someone he plays the lute, and that
>   fellow thought he was referring to the flute.

I cannot imagine such a thing happening.



To get on or off this list see list information at
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: New music

[Gilbert Isbin]

   I did 3 Nick Drake Arrangements. It's perfectly possible to arrange a
   pop or folk repertorie for the lute.   Dylan, Cohen, Beatles, some Led
   Zeppelin songs,jazz compositions, could sound wonderful on the lute.
   The thing is who will play them ?   Seems so few dare to play something
   else than the repertoire we already know by so many lute performers.
   3 Nick Drake Songs.
   [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_0nIQ63JJw
   Gilbert

   With kind regards,

   Met vriendelijke groeten,

   Bien cordialement,
   Gilbert Isbin
   [2]www.gilbertisbin.com
   [3]gilbert.is...@gmail.com
   2017-12-25 19:22 GMT+01:00 Dan Winheld <[4]dwinh...@lmi.net>:

 Now THAT is cool! -Dan
 On 12/25/2017 10:15 AM, Ron Andrico wrote:

 Interesting that you mention Taylor Swift and the lute.   A
 sound
 engineer who twists knobs for her live shows discovered our
 music and
 is now a regular Mignarda concertgoer, even hiring us for on
 demand
 performances.   He said that, while he is a dedicated
 professional and
 very good at his work, when he's off-duty he wants to hear
 honest,
 direct, and convincing music.   We're OK with that.
 RA

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[LUTE] Re: New music

[Dan Winheld]

Now THAT is cool!   -Dan

On 12/25/2017 10:15 AM, Ron Andrico wrote:

Interesting that you mention Taylor Swift and the lute.  A sound
engineer who twists knobs for her live shows discovered our music and
is now a regular Mignarda concertgoer, even hiring us for on demand
performances.  He said that, while he is a dedicated professional and
very good at his work, when he's off-duty he wants to hear honest,
direct, and convincing music.  We're OK with that.

RA




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[LUTE] Re: New music

[Roman Turovsky]

If Taylor Swift ever picks up a lute - I'd be sorely tempted to look for 
another

instrument for myself.
Lute has been (at least to some of us) an antidote for kitsch that 
permeates the

commercial mass culture.
Such reactions are not limited to lutes. There has a huge backlash 
against mass production,

and a resurgence of the handmade in all other art fields.
RT


On 12/25/2017 8:12 AM, Ido Shdaimah wrote:

Interesting mail, Tristan.
While many of us (including me) would like to see the lute flourish in
the world of modern classical music, maybe its best chance is actually
in more popular types of music.
I think a few factors might block that though:
1. Obscurity: Sterling Price gave an anecdote in one of his videos (If
I recall correctly), where he told someone he plays the lute, and that
fellow thought he was referring to the flute. Yes, many people don't
know what is a lute or don't know that it's still played today.
2. Price: Like you mentioned, not everyone can even afford (or want to
buy) Luth Dore lutes, but most would stay clear of overpriced Pakistani
lutes. Something like Yamaha guitars; cheap but playable enough, would
do wonders to the lute world.
3. Available repertoire, which lacks two things: popularity of the old
music and modern popular music. If Taylor Swift (for example) suddenly
started playing the lute on stage and had songs for it, we would
definitely see a large influx of new players. Having intabulations of
popular music to the lute is not enough, it's also important to bring
the instrument out of obscurity.
The lute does have a lot of advantages such as the easy systems of
French and Italian tablature. The availability of a lot of cool (but
obscure) repertoire. Its portability and its sweet, delicate and warm
tone more suitable to the human voice than the guitar (in my opinion).
I'm not sure if all these are enough to tackle the above problems.
On Dec 23, 2017 02:08, "Tristan von Neumann"
<[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:

  This is probably too pessimistic, for reasons I will now try to
  explain I hope in a deeper look at today's music.
  Of course this is just an educated guess, not a prophecy, and more
  of an encouragement. The Lutists ultimately set the course. (oh no -
  back in the pundaemonium...)
  1. The audience for Early Music (even really early music) is bigger
  than the "New Music" ("Neue Musik").
  Whenever a composer is successfully appealing to a general audience,
  you can always assume it is because of a great sense of traditional
  tonality or modality. Philip Glass and John Adams seem widely
  popular in the US even among the non-classical audiences.
  In Europe, there's Arvo Pärt who left the path of atonality and
  serialism, and it seems the Spectralists of France are well based in
  the tradition of Debussy, Ravel and Messiaen (take Dalbavie for
  example).
  Therefore, an obscure instrument is just introduced into an even
  more obscure scene. (viewed from the mass standpoint)
  Such musical approach was at least until around 2000 also part of
  the film score scene. Jerry Goldsmith, John Williams and others have
  treated film scores as New Music. But here is the strong move:
  By forcing it onto millions of movie buffs, for the duration of
  popularity of this movie, there is a considerable amount of time for
  a good tune, a good theme, to leak out as a "cover version",
  establishing a basis even for canonification. Some are more
  successful than others.
  Compared to a First Performance of some fancy delicate atonal piece
  of chamber music in front of 100 people of whom 80 don't really get
  what is happening on the stage, it looks pretty obvious to me that
  though we all wish they were more popular, our little bubbles of
  special music do not represent the reality of most people.
  Star Wars, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, indeed mostly fantastic
  movies contain a great deal of popular classical music today, which
  is probably the closest many people get to hearing a real orchestra.
  But this is actually a pretty good basis and should not be
  ridiculed.
  2. If you behold the big picture, the mass audience is completely
  going into a different direction. If you pick the most complex or
  well set music of "non-classical new music", there is:
  a) Metal, Progressive Rock, Post Rock - highly complex and often
  deliberately referring to Renaissance and Medieval music, embracing
  concepts of modes and even iso-rhythmia and counterpoint, though
  often very fast paced.
  b) IDM ("Intelligent Dance Music") - more closely related to "New
  Music", but occupying spaces classical performers almost never
  reach.
  Exceptions (to my knowledge of course) 

[LUTE] Re: New music

[Ido Shdaimah]

   Interesting mail, Tristan.
   While many of us (including me) would like to see the lute flourish in
   the world of modern classical music, maybe its best chance is actually
   in more popular types of music.
   I think a few factors might block that though:
   1. Obscurity: Sterling Price gave an anecdote in one of his videos (If
   I recall correctly), where he told someone he plays the lute, and that
   fellow thought he was referring to the flute. Yes, many people don't
   know what is a lute or don't know that it's still played today.
   2. Price: Like you mentioned, not everyone can even afford (or want to
   buy) Luth Dore lutes, but most would stay clear of overpriced Pakistani
   lutes. Something like Yamaha guitars; cheap but playable enough, would
   do wonders to the lute world.
   3. Available repertoire, which lacks two things: popularity of the old
   music and modern popular music. If Taylor Swift (for example) suddenly
   started playing the lute on stage and had songs for it, we would
   definitely see a large influx of new players. Having intabulations of
   popular music to the lute is not enough, it's also important to bring
   the instrument out of obscurity.
   The lute does have a lot of advantages such as the easy systems of
   French and Italian tablature. The availability of a lot of cool (but
   obscure) repertoire. Its portability and its sweet, delicate and warm
   tone more suitable to the human voice than the guitar (in my opinion).
   I'm not sure if all these are enough to tackle the above problems.
   On Dec 23, 2017 02:08, "Tristan von Neumann"
   <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:

 This is probably too pessimistic, for reasons I will now try to
 explain I hope in a deeper look at today's music.
 Of course this is just an educated guess, not a prophecy, and more
 of an encouragement. The Lutists ultimately set the course. (oh no -
 back in the pundaemonium...)
 1. The audience for Early Music (even really early music) is bigger
 than the "New Music" ("Neue Musik").
 Whenever a composer is successfully appealing to a general audience,
 you can always assume it is because of a great sense of traditional
 tonality or modality. Philip Glass and John Adams seem widely
 popular in the US even among the non-classical audiences.
 In Europe, there's Arvo Pärt who left the path of atonality and
 serialism, and it seems the Spectralists of France are well based in
 the tradition of Debussy, Ravel and Messiaen (take Dalbavie for
 example).
 Therefore, an obscure instrument is just introduced into an even
 more obscure scene. (viewed from the mass standpoint)
 Such musical approach was at least until around 2000 also part of
 the film score scene. Jerry Goldsmith, John Williams and others have
 treated film scores as New Music. But here is the strong move:
 By forcing it onto millions of movie buffs, for the duration of
 popularity of this movie, there is a considerable amount of time for
 a good tune, a good theme, to leak out as a "cover version",
 establishing a basis even for canonification. Some are more
 successful than others.
 Compared to a First Performance of some fancy delicate atonal piece
 of chamber music in front of 100 people of whom 80 don't really get
 what is happening on the stage, it looks pretty obvious to me that
 though we all wish they were more popular, our little bubbles of
 special music do not represent the reality of most people.
 Star Wars, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, indeed mostly fantastic
 movies contain a great deal of popular classical music today, which
 is probably the closest many people get to hearing a real orchestra.
 But this is actually a pretty good basis and should not be
 ridiculed.
 2. If you behold the big picture, the mass audience is completely
 going into a different direction. If you pick the most complex or
 well set music of "non-classical new music", there is:
 a) Metal, Progressive Rock, Post Rock - highly complex and often
 deliberately referring to Renaissance and Medieval music, embracing
 concepts of modes and even iso-rhythmia and counterpoint, though
 often very fast paced.
 b) IDM ("Intelligent Dance Music") - more closely related to "New
 Music", but occupying spaces classical performers almost never
 reach.
 Exceptions (to my knowledge of course) maybe "Alarm will Sound", a
 chamber orchestra from New York, that plays complex Electronic Music
 arrangements.
  "Ensemble Resonanz" in Hamburg, who are for years getting their
 foot into the club scene, attract new audiences for "New Music",
 while also playing Early Music (and everything in between). They are
 not afraid to play Perotin and Philip Glass in the same concert, or
 have Finnish electronic musician Jimi Tenor write music for them.
 

[LUTE] Re: New music

[howard posner]

> On Dec 22, 2017, at 2:50 PM, Edward Martin  wrote:
> 
> He has done to my knowledge, 2 tombeaus, one for
>   Alice Parkinson 

I don’t think this was a tombeau.  If my memory is not deceiving me (a big if, 
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[LUTE] Re: New music

[r . turovsky]

Probably not.
The worst music is still quite a lot better than the “equivalent” worst visual 
art!
And literary arts are enviably quite immune to such tamperings.

RT

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> On Dec 23, 2017, at 8:45 AM, Ron Andrico <praelu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>   I think the comparison between representational art and modern art is
>   an excellent one.  My degree was in composition and I deferred
>   composing seriously until I gained an appreciation for what came
>   before.  I find that I'm still exploring old music and still developing
>   my own approach to composing lute music that is distinct from the
>   guitar-like sound I hear in most new music for the lute.
> 
>   I've written about this very issue and will have more to say and play
>   in the fullness of time.
> 
>   [1]https://mignarda.wordpress.com/2011/05/05/modern-music-on-the-lute-r
>   eally/
> 
> 
>   [2]https://mignarda.wordpress.com/2014/07/19/saturday-morning-quotes-4-
>   10-new-music-for-lute/
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>   From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf
>   of G. C. <kalei...@gmail.com>
>   Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 9:02 AM
>   To: lute list
>   Subject: [LUTE] Re: New music
> 
>  Would it be totally misconceived to apply a comparison with modern
>  painting? Where the "atonal" new pieces equal non-figurative art,
>   while
>  the "tonal" pieces compare to figurative modern art? For example
>  Pollock in the former and Dali to the latter? And is there any point
>   in
>  doing so?
>  Personally I much prefer the "figurative" modern lute/guitar
>  compositions.
>  Merry Christmas to all :)
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[LUTE] Re: New music

[G. C.]

   Would it be totally misconceived to apply a comparison with modern
   painting? Where the "atonal" new pieces equal non-figurative art, while
   the "tonal" pieces compare to figurative modern art? For example
   Pollock in the former and Dali to the latter? And is there any point in
   doing so?
   Personally I much prefer the "figurative" modern lute/guitar
   compositions.
   Merry Christmas to all :)
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[LUTE] Re: New music

[Steve Ramey]

   Ed,
   Lovely in every way.
   Thanks,
   Steve
 __

   From: Ed Durbrow <edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp>
   To: lute list <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 7:21 PM
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: New music
   I've written a few compositions for the lute: ensemble, song and solos.
   I just feel that lute is my main instrument along with guitar, so it is
   quite natural. Of course, when I perform, the expectation is to hear
   early music.
   Here is a video I made of the river near my house to a recording of my
   composition Serenity with viola and viola da gamba.
   [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3u3jL_NgX0=13=PLkhGYMocg
   neRwrSH2UHdTzUBaejdugO04
   Ed Durbrow
   Saitama, Japan
   [2]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch
   [3]https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow
   [4]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
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[LUTE] Re: New music

[Ed Durbrow]

I’ve written a few compositions for the lute: ensemble, song and solos. I just 
feel that lute is my main instrument along with guitar, so it is quite natural. 
Of course, when I perform, the expectation is to hear early music. 
Here is a video I made of the river near my house to a recording of my 
composition Serenity with viola and viola da gamba.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3u3jL_NgX0=13=PLkhGYMocgneRwrSH2UHdTzUBaejdugO04

Ed Durbrow
Saitama, Japan
http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch
https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow
http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/








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[LUTE] Re: New music

[Tristan von Neumann]

This is probably too pessimistic, for reasons I will now try to explain 
I hope in a deeper look at today's music.


Of course this is just an educated guess, not a prophecy, and more of an 
encouragement. The Lutists ultimately set the course. (oh no - back in 
the pundaemonium...)


1. The audience for Early Music (even really early music) is bigger than 
the "New Music" ("Neue Musik").
Whenever a composer is successfully appealing to a general audience, you 
can always assume it is because of a great sense of traditional tonality 
or modality. Philip Glass and John Adams seem widely popular in the US 
even among the non-classical audiences.
In Europe, there's Arvo Pärt who left the path of atonality and 
serialism, and it seems the Spectralists of France are well based in the 
tradition of Debussy, Ravel and Messiaen (take Dalbavie for example).
Therefore, an obscure instrument is just introduced into an even more 
obscure scene. (viewed from the mass standpoint)


Such musical approach was at least until around 2000 also part of the 
film score scene. Jerry Goldsmith, John Williams and others have treated 
film scores as New Music. But here is the strong move:
By forcing it onto millions of movie buffs, for the duration of 
popularity of this movie, there is a considerable amount of time for a 
good tune, a good theme, to leak out as a "cover version", establishing 
a basis even for canonification. Some are more successful than others.
Compared to a First Performance of some fancy delicate atonal piece of 
chamber music in front of 100 people of whom 80 don't really get what is 
happening on the stage, it looks pretty obvious to me that though we all 
wish they were more popular, our little bubbles of special music do not 
represent the reality of most people.


Star Wars, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, indeed mostly fantastic movies 
contain a great deal of popular classical music today, which is probably 
the closest many people get to hearing a real orchestra.

But this is actually a pretty good basis and should not be ridiculed.


2. If you behold the big picture, the mass audience is completely going 
into a different direction. If you pick the most complex or well set 
music of "non-classical new music", there is:


a) Metal, Progressive Rock, Post Rock - highly complex and often 
deliberately referring to Renaissance and Medieval music, embracing 
concepts of modes and even iso-rhythmia and counterpoint, though often 
very fast paced.


b) IDM ("Intelligent Dance Music") - more closely related to "New 
Music", but occupying spaces classical performers almost never reach.
Exceptions (to my knowledge of course) maybe "Alarm will Sound", a 
chamber orchestra from New York, that plays complex Electronic Music 
arrangements.
 "Ensemble Resonanz" in Hamburg, who are for years getting their foot 
into the club scene, attract new audiences for "New Music", while also 
playing Early Music (and everything in between). They are not afraid to 
play Perotin and Philip Glass in the same concert, or have Finnish 
electronic musician Jimi Tenor write music for them.
Other ensembles in other countries and cities might try similar things, 
though when I search on youtube, such fruitful crossovers seem rare.


c) Computer and Video game music.
The Japanese have now for years a very healthy relationship to music 
composed for video games. It is completely normal to hear the Tokyo Phil 
play the Super Mario Bros. theme, or a Legend of Zelda Medley. These 
compositions are often surprisingly good and well arranged, because - in 
reverse - classically trained composers have no fear writing for a video 
game.
If you look on youtube, there are literally thousands of videos of 
teenagers playing video game music on their piano, guitar, ukulele, 
etc., some even forming little ensembles, making even their own 
arrangements.


3. Sounds familiar? Well, the Lute repertoire fits exactly these 
purposes - you want crazy Ricercars for the outgoing experimentalists, 
some popular songs, some dance music, you copy your favourite tunes, 
make mixtapes (Lute books), copy music from friends etc.

Some hits appear everywhere, some gems (nearly) get lost.

 The lute is an instrument that appeals to Metal/Rock people, because 
it allows great versatile styles more intense, somehow brighter, louder 
and more subtle than a modern guitar, and it's Medievalish cool.

A cittern might even be considered the "electric guitar" of its time.
I don't know what happend to the group "Pantagruel", but the leader of 
the band had deeper experiences with rock music, his Early music 
interpretations felt very engaging.

Or maybe someone remembers the late Owain Phyfe.
This is the attitude at least I am looking for.

The lute is great to sing to, and it doesn't matter if it's Dowland or 
Bob Dylan, it will still sound great. Lute is for songs.
Today's dance music might be difficult to recreate on a lute, but with 
some percussion, this could be 

[LUTE] Re: New music

[Edward Martin]

   Ron commented on Toyohiko Satoh.   He has done so much for composing
   music for lute.   He has done to my knowledge, 2 tombeaus, one for
   Alice Parkinson and another for David Phillips, both American lutenists
   who passed away in the 1980's.   He has done at lease 3 CD's of his
   works as well. the latest one in in 2016.
   ed

   On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Roman Turovsky
   <[1]r.turov...@gmail.com> wrote:

   I have heard it a few days ago, as it is available on Spotify.
   I daresay it is Muhly's best, and his least modernist piece I've heard.
   RT
   On 12/22/2017 2:05 PM, Peter Martin wrote:

 I think you've nailed it, Christopher.
 By the way, has *anyone* else heard the Nico Muhly piece?
 Peter
 On Friday, 22 December 2017, Christopher Wilke
 <[1][2]chriswi...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
   Newer music for the lute is a tough sell because it subverts
   audience expectations. I don't think it's too much of an
 assumption
   to say that most lute fans (both listeners and players) became
   interested in the instrument because they were attracted to
 early
   music first. Therefore, in this mindset, the lute is "for"
 early
   music and anything else introduces disconcerting cognitive
   dissonance. Some folks are genuinely offended that anyone
 would play
   something other than old European music on a lute. That's a
   significant enough segment of the already tiny lute audience
 that
   one risks alienating. That's a large disincentive to spend the
 time
   learning modern pieces, even for those interested in expanding
 the
   repertoire. (Personally, I've never seen it this way at all.
 To me,
   anything that sounds good on the instrument is fair game,
 regardless
   of style or period.)
   It's interesting that the harpsichord has not had this
 problem.
   There is a sizeable body of contemporary music for solo
 harpsichord
   as well as in ensemble compositions written by heavy weight
   composers. The late Elizabeth Chojnacka made virtually her
 entire
   career out of performing contemporary harpsichord music. (She
 passed
   away this past May.)
   Chris
   Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A.
Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
[2][3]www.christopherwilke.com
   
   On Fri, 12/22/17, Tristan von Neumann
 <[3][4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
   wrote:
        Subject: [LUTE] Re: New music
To: "lutelist Net" <[4][5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Date: Friday, December 22, 2017, 9:32 AM
Not exactly "new", but modern:
Charles Tournemire requests a lute in
his 8th Symphony (1924) :)
Not a piece you can play with your
friends though, except if you are
friends with a Philharmonic
Orchestra...
Am 22.12.2017 um 12:23 schrieb Jim
Dunn:
>As the lute becomes
slowly more popular, I think we'll see more
>contemporary lute
music popping up equally slowly (I think lutes in
>their various guises
have a very interesting tonality and set of
>limitations to
compose for, I'm enjoying making my own ham-fisted
>efforts at
least...)
>Meanwhile, not
necessarily all 'new' material, but I've been enjoying
>Peter SÃÆ Ã ¶derberg's
three contemporary lute records:20th century stuff
>like Cage, Tenney,
Stockhausen etc, as well as recordings of more
>recent things
written specifically for lute. The non-lute material he
>has selected comes
over very well in my opinion.
>Here's to more!
>
>On 22 Dec 2017,
00:21 +, Eric Hansen <[5][6]librarylutepla...@gmail.com>,
>wrote:
>
>  Hartt School
composer David Macbride composes solo lute music for
>  me, a
>  total of 13
pieces as of this writing. I played one of them at the
>  Lute Society
Seminar in Cleveland a few years ago, it's up on
>  YouTube.
>  He and I have
begun to record the pieces, a few at a time.
>  Best to all,
>  Eric

[LUTE] Re: New music

[jeff]

I’ve not played this but want to--

Rinuccini : for soprano, 2 violins, viola da gamba and theorbo, 1990-1991 / 
words: Ottavio Rinuccini,

By the American ex-pat composer Ron Ford. Violins are baroque, by the way. A 
major piece (20-25’) with a very challenging vocal part—you need a good 
soprano for this one. Ford, originally from Kansas City, has been in the 
Netherlands for quite a while. 

Excellent recording by the soprano Tone Wik on CD Dolcissimo Sospiro-- 
alongside music by  Monteverdi and others. 

Happy holidays,
jeff




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From: Ron Andrico
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 3:26 PM
To: David van Ooijen
Cc: lutelist Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: New music

   Did you study with Toyohiko Satoh?  He must be the exception that
   proves the rule.

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[LUTE] Re: New music

[Roman Turovsky]

I have heard it a few days ago, as it is available on Spotify.
I daresay it is Muhly's best, and his least modernist piece I've heard.
RT


On 12/22/2017 2:05 PM, Peter Martin wrote:

I think you've nailed it, Christopher.

By the way, has *anyone* else heard the Nico Muhly piece?

Peter

On Friday, 22 December 2017, Christopher Wilke
<[1]chriswi...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:

  Newer music for the lute is a tough sell because it subverts
  audience expectations. I don't think it's too much of an assumption
  to say that most lute fans (both listeners and players) became
  interested in the instrument because they were attracted to early
  music first. Therefore, in this mindset, the lute is "for" early
  music and anything else introduces disconcerting cognitive
  dissonance. Some folks are genuinely offended that anyone would play
  something other than old European music on a lute. That's a
  significant enough segment of the already tiny lute audience that
  one risks alienating. That's a large disincentive to spend the time
  learning modern pieces, even for those interested in expanding the
  repertoire. (Personally, I've never seen it this way at all. To me,
  anything that sounds good on the instrument is fair game, regardless
  of style or period.)
  It's interesting that the harpsichord has not had this problem.
  There is a sizeable body of contemporary music for solo harpsichord
  as well as in ensemble compositions written by heavy weight
  composers. The late Elizabeth Chojnacka made virtually her entire
  career out of performing contemporary harpsichord music. (She passed
  away this past May.)
  Chris
  Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A.
   Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
   [2]www.christopherwilke.com
  
  On Fri, 12/22/17, Tristan von Neumann <[3]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
  wrote:
       Subject: [LUTE] Re: New music
   To: "lutelist Net" <[4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Date: Friday, December 22, 2017, 9:32 AM
   Not exactly "new", but modern:
   Charles Tournemire requests a lute in
   his 8th Symphony (1924) :)
   Not a piece you can play with your
   friends though, except if you are
   friends with a Philharmonic
   Orchestra...
   Am 22.12.2017 um 12:23 schrieb Jim
   Dunn:
   >   As the lute becomes
   slowly more popular, I think we'll see more
   >   contemporary lute
   music popping up equally slowly (I think lutes in
   >   their various guises
   have a very interesting tonality and set of
   >   limitations to
   compose for, I'm enjoying making my own ham-fisted
   >   efforts at
   least...)
   >   Meanwhile, not
   necessarily all 'new' material, but I've been enjoying
   >   Peter SÃ ¶derberg's
   three contemporary lute records:   20th century stuff
   >   like Cage, Tenney,
   Stockhausen etc, as well as recordings of more
   >   recent things
   written specifically for lute. The non-lute material he
   >   has selected comes
   over very well in my opinion.
   >   Here's to more!
   >
   >   On 22 Dec 2017,
   00:21 +, Eric Hansen <[5]librarylutepla...@gmail.com>,
   >   wrote:
   >
   > Hartt School
   composer David Macbride composes solo lute music for
   > me, a
   > total of 13
   pieces as of this writing. I played one of them at the
   > Lute Society
   Seminar in Cleveland a few years ago, it's up on
   > YouTube.
   > He and I have
   begun to record the pieces, a few at a time.
   > Best to all,
   > Eric
   > On Thu, Dec
   21, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Jacob Johnson
   > <[1][6]tmrguitar...@gmail.com>
   wrote:
   > I don't think
   that's entirely accurate. Ronn McFarlane plays his
   > own
   > compositions,
   Jakob Lindberg performs the Britten Nocturnal (I
   > know,
   > it's not that
   new, and it's not really for lute, but IMO it kinda
   > counts),
   Chris Wilke recorded a whole cd of Roman Turovsky's new
   > works
   > for baroque
   lute, I saw Elizabeth Kenny perform TWO recent
   > theorbo
   > commissions
   at the LuteFestWest, and there's certainly more
   > examples I
   > just can't
   think of at the moment.
   > As soon as I
   can afford to do so, I intend to commission 

[LUTE] Re: New music

[David van Ooijen]

   On 22 December 2017 at 20:13, Ron Andrico <[1]praelu...@hotmail.com>
   wrote:
   >>

 new music for the lute is not
taught in conservatories

   <<
   It was part of my conservatory training.
   David

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[LUTE] Re: New music

[Toby Carr]

   I've performed it (Old Bones by Nico Muhly) and enjoyed doing so, while
   it may not be to everyone's taste I think it's a good example of
   serious composers writing thoughtfully for the instrument.
   Toby

   On 22 Dec 2017 19:05, "Peter Martin" <[1]peter.l...@gmail.com> wrote:

I think you've nailed it, Christopher.
By the way, has *anyone* else heard the Nico Muhly piece?
Peter
On Friday, 22 December 2017, Christopher Wilke
<[1][2]chriswi...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
  Newer music for the lute is a tough sell because it subverts
  audience expectations. I don't think it's too much of an
 assumption
  to say that most lute fans (both listeners and players) became
  interested in the instrument because they were attracted to
 early
  music first. Therefore, in this mindset, the lute is "for"
 early
  music and anything else introduces disconcerting cognitive
  dissonance. Some folks are genuinely offended that anyone would
 play
  something other than old European music on a lute. That's a
  significant enough segment of the already tiny lute audience
 that
  one risks alienating. That's a large disincentive to spend the
 time
  learning modern pieces, even for those interested in expanding
 the
  repertoire. (Personally, I've never seen it this way at all. To
 me,
  anything that sounds good on the instrument is fair game,
 regardless
  of style or period.)
  It's interesting that the harpsichord has not had this problem.
  There is a sizeable body of contemporary music for solo
 harpsichord
  as well as in ensemble compositions written by heavy weight
  composers. The late Elizabeth Chojnacka made virtually her
 entire
  career out of performing contemporary harpsichord music. (She
 passed
  away this past May.)
  Chris
  Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A.
   Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
   [2][3]www.christopherwilke.com
  
  On Fri, 12/22/17, Tristan von Neumann
 <[3][4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
      wrote:
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: New music
   To: "lutelist Net" <[4][5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Date: Friday, December 22, 2017, 9:32 AM
   Not exactly "new", but modern:
   Charles Tournemire requests a lute in
   his 8th Symphony (1924) :)
   Not a piece you can play with your
   friends though, except if you are
   friends with a Philharmonic
   Orchestra...
   Am 22.12.2017 um 12:23 schrieb Jim
   Dunn:
   >As the lute becomes
   slowly more popular, I think we'll see more
   >contemporary lute
   music popping up equally slowly (I think lutes in
   >their various guises
   have a very interesting tonality and set of
   >limitations to
   compose for, I'm enjoying making my own ham-fisted
   >efforts at
   least...)
   >Meanwhile, not
   necessarily all 'new' material, but I've been enjoying
   >Peter SÃ ¶derberg's
   three contemporary lute records:20th century stuff
   >like Cage, Tenney,
   Stockhausen etc, as well as recordings of more
   >recent things
   written specifically for lute. The non-lute material he
   >has selected comes
   over very well in my opinion.
   >Here's to more!
   >
   >On 22 Dec 2017,
   00:21 +, Eric Hansen <[5][6]librarylutepla...@gmail.com>,
   >wrote:
   >
   >  Hartt School
   composer David Macbride composes solo lute music for
   >  me, a
   >  total of 13
   pieces as of this writing. I played one of them at the
   >  Lute Society
   Seminar in Cleveland a few years ago, it's up on
   >  YouTube.
   >  He and I have
   begun to record the pieces, a few at a time.
   >  Best to all,
   >  Eric
   >  On Thu, Dec
   21, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Jacob Johnson
   >  <[1][6][7]tmrguitar...@gmail.com>
   wrote:
   >  I don't think
   that's entirely accurate. Ronn McFarlane plays his
   >  own
   >  compositions,
   Jakob Lindberg performs the Britten Nocturnal (I
   >  know

[LUTE] Re: New music

[Peter Martin]

   I think you've nailed it, Christopher.

   By the way, has *anyone* else heard the Nico Muhly piece?

   Peter

   On Friday, 22 December 2017, Christopher Wilke
   <[1]chriswi...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:

 Newer music for the lute is a tough sell because it subverts
 audience expectations. I don't think it's too much of an assumption
 to say that most lute fans (both listeners and players) became
 interested in the instrument because they were attracted to early
 music first. Therefore, in this mindset, the lute is "for" early
 music and anything else introduces disconcerting cognitive
 dissonance. Some folks are genuinely offended that anyone would play
 something other than old European music on a lute. That's a
 significant enough segment of the already tiny lute audience that
 one risks alienating. That's a large disincentive to spend the time
 learning modern pieces, even for those interested in expanding the
 repertoire. (Personally, I've never seen it this way at all. To me,
 anything that sounds good on the instrument is fair game, regardless
 of style or period.)
 It's interesting that the harpsichord has not had this problem.
 There is a sizeable body of contemporary music for solo harpsichord
 as well as in ensemble compositions written by heavy weight
 composers. The late Elizabeth Chojnacka made virtually her entire
 career out of performing contemporary harpsichord music. (She passed
 away this past May.)
 Chris
 Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A.
  Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
  [2]www.christopherwilke.com
 
 On Fri, 12/22/17, Tristan von Neumann <[3]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
 wrote:
      Subject: [LUTE] Re: New music
  To: "lutelist Net" <[4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
  Date: Friday, December 22, 2017, 9:32 AM
  Not exactly "new", but modern:
  Charles Tournemire requests a lute in
  his 8th Symphony (1924) :)
  Not a piece you can play with your
  friends though, except if you are
  friends with a Philharmonic
  Orchestra...
  Am 22.12.2017 um 12:23 schrieb Jim
  Dunn:
  >   As the lute becomes
  slowly more popular, I think we'll see more
  >   contemporary lute
  music popping up equally slowly (I think lutes in
  >   their various guises
  have a very interesting tonality and set of
  >   limitations to
  compose for, I'm enjoying making my own ham-fisted
  >   efforts at
  least...)
  >   Meanwhile, not
  necessarily all 'new' material, but I've been enjoying
  >   Peter SÃ ¶derberg's
  three contemporary lute records:   20th century stuff
  >   like Cage, Tenney,
  Stockhausen etc, as well as recordings of more
  >   recent things
  written specifically for lute. The non-lute material he
  >   has selected comes
  over very well in my opinion.
  >   Here's to more!
  >
  >   On 22 Dec 2017,
  00:21 +, Eric Hansen <[5]librarylutepla...@gmail.com>,
  >   wrote:
  >
  > Hartt School
  composer David Macbride composes solo lute music for
  > me, a
  > total of 13
  pieces as of this writing. I played one of them at the
  > Lute Society
  Seminar in Cleveland a few years ago, it's up on
  > YouTube.
  > He and I have
  begun to record the pieces, a few at a time.
  > Best to all,
  > Eric
  > On Thu, Dec
  21, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Jacob Johnson
  > <[1][6]tmrguitar...@gmail.com>
  wrote:
  > I don't think
  that's entirely accurate. Ronn McFarlane plays his
  > own
  > compositions,
  Jakob Lindberg performs the Britten Nocturnal (I
  > know,
  > it's not that
  new, and it's not really for lute, but IMO it kinda
  > counts),
  Chris Wilke recorded a whole cd of Roman Turovsky's new
  > works
  > for baroque
  lute, I saw Elizabeth Kenny perform TWO recent
  > theorbo
  > commissions
  at the LuteFestWest, and there's certainly more
  > examples I
  > just can't
  think of at the moment.
  > As soon as I
  can afford to do so, I intend to commission some
  > works for
  > myself to
  play.
  > Jacob
  Johnson
  >
  [uc?export=download=0B6_gM3BRE6ZrYVVZZU5QNmJqdDQ&
  >
  amp;revid=0B6_g
  >
  M3BRE6ZraW9nQ2U4SGNwV0tYVWxobnNBVjBsZi9FNHhzPQ]
  >

[LUTE] Re: New music for lute

[Alain Veylit]

The general attitude towards new music for lutes has certainly evolved 
considerably in the past 10 years - it now seems acceptable. I am 
particularly happy to see that Roman could have his music recorded - not 
just one CD but two!



On 12/22/2017 02:20 AM, Peter Martin wrote:

Thanks all for your thoughts.   There certainly is new lute music out
there,  but it does seem to attract very little interest compared to
the old stuff.

It looks like there will be some new music with theorbo at this London
concert on 6 January.   I  shall go along and check it out. Maybe see
some of you there?

[1]https://lso.co.uk/whats-on/icalrepeat.detail/2018/01/06/1230/-/tabea
-debus-alex-mccartney.html

Peter

--

Peter Martin
Flat 4, Chaplin House
55 Shepperton Road
London
N1 3DH
tel: 020 7354 1398
mob: 07971 232614
[2]peter.l...@gmail.com

--

References

1. 
https://lso.co.uk/whats-on/icalrepeat.detail/2018/01/06/1230/-/tabea-debus-alex-mccartney.html
2. mailto:peter.l...@gmail.com


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[LUTE] Re: New music

[Christopher Wilke]

Newer music for the lute is a tough sell because it subverts audience 
expectations. I don't think it's too much of an assumption to say that most 
lute fans (both listeners and players) became interested in the instrument 
because they were attracted to early music first. Therefore, in this mindset, 
the lute is "for" early music and anything else introduces disconcerting 
cognitive dissonance. Some folks are genuinely offended that anyone would play 
something other than old European music on a lute. That's a significant enough 
segment of the already tiny lute audience that one risks alienating. That's a 
large disincentive to spend the time learning modern pieces, even for those 
interested in expanding the repertoire. (Personally, I've never seen it this 
way at all. To me, anything that sounds good on the instrument is fair game, 
regardless of style or period.)

It's interesting that the harpsichord has not had this problem. There is a 
sizeable body of contemporary music for solo harpsichord as well as in ensemble 
compositions written by heavy weight composers. The late Elizabeth Chojnacka 
made virtually her entire career out of performing contemporary harpsichord 
music. (She passed away this past May.)

Chris

Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A.
 Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
 www.christopherwilke.com


On Fri, 12/22/17, Tristan von Neumann <tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:

 Subject: [LUTE] Re: New music
 To: "lutelist Net" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
 Date: Friday, December 22, 2017, 9:32 AM
 
 Not exactly "new", but modern:
 
 Charles Tournemire requests a lute in
 his 8th Symphony (1924) :)
 Not a piece you can play with your
 friends though, except if you are 
 friends with a Philharmonic
 Orchestra...
 
 Am 22.12.2017 um 12:23 schrieb Jim
 Dunn:
 >     As the lute becomes
 slowly more popular, I think we'll see more
 >     contemporary lute
 music popping up equally slowly (I think lutes in
 >     their various guises
 have a very interesting tonality and set of
 >     limitations to
 compose for, I'm enjoying making my own ham-fisted
 >     efforts at
 least...)
 >     Meanwhile, not
 necessarily all 'new' material, but I've been enjoying
 >     Peter Söderberg's
 three contemporary lute records:  20th century stuff
 >     like Cage, Tenney,
 Stockhausen etc, as well as recordings of more
 >     recent things
 written specifically for lute. The non-lute material he
 >     has selected comes
 over very well in my opinion.
 >     Here's to more!
 > 
 >     On 22 Dec 2017,
 00:21 +, Eric Hansen <librarylutepla...@gmail.com>,
 >     wrote:
 > 
 >       Hartt School
 composer David Macbride composes solo lute music for
 >       me, a
 >       total of 13
 pieces as of this writing. I played one of them at the
 >       Lute Society
 Seminar in Cleveland a few years ago, it's up on
 >       YouTube.
 >       He and I have
 begun to record the pieces, a few at a time.
 >       Best to all,
 >       Eric
 >       On Thu, Dec
 21, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Jacob Johnson
 >       <[1]tmrguitar...@gmail.com>
 wrote:
 >       I don't think
 that's entirely accurate. Ronn McFarlane plays his
 >       own
 >       compositions,
 Jakob Lindberg performs the Britten Nocturnal (I
 >       know,
 >       it's not that
 new, and it's not really for lute, but IMO it kinda
 >       counts),
 Chris Wilke recorded a whole cd of Roman Turovsky's new
 >       works
 >       for baroque
 lute, I saw Elizabeth Kenny perform TWO recent
 >       theorbo
 >       commissions
 at the LuteFestWest, and there's certainly more
 >       examples I
 >       just can't
 think of at the moment.
 >       As soon as I
 can afford to do so, I intend to commission some
 >       works for
 >       myself to
 play.
 >       Jacob
 Johnson
 >      
 [uc?export=download=0B6_gM3BRE6ZrYVVZZU5QNmJqdDQ&
 >      
 amp;revid=0B6_g
 >      
 M3BRE6ZraW9nQ2U4SGNwV0tYVWxobnNBVjBsZi9FNHhzPQ]
 >       Guitar/Lute
 >      
 [1][2]www.johnsonguitarstudio.com
 >      
 [3]469.237.0625.
 >       On Thu, Dec
 21, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Christopher Stetson
 >       <[2][4]christophertstet...@gmail.com>
 wrote:
 >       Hello all.
 >       An
 interesting question, Peter, thanks for bringing it up.
 >       To
 >       answer
 >       honestly and
 personally, I'm not especially interested in new
 >       music,
 >       per se, for
 any of the instruments I play (mainly lute, guitar,
 >       mandolin, but
 some others too). I couldn't really say why,
 >       except
 >       that the
 music I've looked at from the last 30 years tends, and
 >       I
 >       mean
 >       tends, to be
 difficult and not especially tuneful to my ear.
 >       There
 >       are
 e

[LUTE] Re: New music

[Gilbert Isbin]

   I composed a lot of contemporary lute music available on
   [1]http://www.lutesociety.org/pages/catalogue#h
   â. Other compositions are on my site
   [2]http://gilbertisbin.com/compositions/compositionslute-compositions/
   Recently a book "The Improvising Lutenist" was published on   âAmazon
   [3]https://www.amazon.com/Improvising-Lutenist-Gilbert-Isbin/dp/1978172
   419
   âThe Cd Stathis Skandalidis plays Gilbert Isbin is also available on
   Amazonâ, Itunes, Spotify.
   âGuess the biggest problem is that contemporary lute music isn't
   introduced in music schools or conservatories. Understandable because
   none of the teachers was
   âintroduced to contemporary lute music either. There seems also a
   misunderstanding to what modern lute music is. To me it's not writing
   new music into an early music style. What doesn't implies ithe music
   shouldn't be inaccessible !. But at least it should reflect the time we
   are living in.
   Gilbertâ

   With kind regards,

   Met vriendelijke groeten,

   Bien cordialement,
   Gilbert Isbin
   [4]www.gilbertisbin.com
   [5]gilbert.is...@gmail.com
   2017-12-22 15:32 GMT+01:00 Tristan von Neumann
   <[6]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>:

 Not exactly "new", but modern:
 Charles Tournemire requests a lute in his 8th Symphony (1924) :)
 Not a piece you can play with your friends though, except if you are
 friends with a Philharmonic Orchestra...
 Am 22.12.2017 um 12:23 schrieb Jim Dunn:

 As the lute becomes slowly more popular, I think we'll see more
 contemporary lute music popping up equally slowly (I think lutes
 in
 their various guises have a very interesting tonality and set of
 limitations to compose for, I'm enjoying making my own
 ham-fisted
 efforts at least...)
 Meanwhile, not necessarily all 'new' material, but I've been
 enjoying
 Peter SÃ ¶derberg's three contemporary lute records:   20th
 century stuff
 like Cage, Tenney, Stockhausen etc, as well as recordings of
 more
 recent things written specifically for lute. The non-lute
 material he
 has selected comes over very well in my opinion.
 Here's to more!
 On 22 Dec 2017, 00:21 +, Eric Hansen
 <[7]librarylutepla...@gmail.com>,
 wrote:
   Hartt School composer David Macbride composes solo lute music
 for
   me, a
   total of 13 pieces as of this writing. I played one of them at
 the
   Lute Society Seminar in Cleveland a few years ago, it's up on
   YouTube.
   He and I have begun to record the pieces, a few at a time.
   Best to all,
   Eric
   On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Jacob Johnson
   <[1][8]tmrguitar...@gmail.com> wrote:
   I don't think that's entirely accurate. Ronn McFarlane plays
 his
   own
   compositions, Jakob Lindberg performs the Britten Nocturnal (I
   know,
   it's not that new, and it's not really for lute, but IMO it
 kinda
   counts), Chris Wilke recorded a whole cd of Roman Turovsky's
 new
   works
   for baroque lute, I saw Elizabeth Kenny perform TWO recent
   theorbo
   commissions at the LuteFestWest, and there's certainly more
   examples I
   just can't think of at the moment.
   As soon as I can afford to do so, I intend to commission some
   works for
   myself to play.
   Jacob Johnson
   [uc?export=downloadid=0B6_gM3BRE6ZrYVVZZU5QNmJqdDQ&
   amp;revid=0B6_g
   M3BRE6ZraW9nQ2U4SGNwV0tYVWxobnNBVjBsZi9FNHhzPQ]
   Guitar/Lute
   [1][2][9]www.johnsonguitarstudio.com
   [3]469.237.0625.
   On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Christopher Stetson

 <[2][4][10]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote:
 Hello all.
 An interesting question, Peter, thanks for bringing it up.
 To
 answer
 honestly and personally, I'm not especially interested in new
 music,
 per se, for any of the instruments I play (mainly lute, guitar,
 mandolin, but some others too). I couldn't really say why,
 except
 that the music I've looked at from the last 30 years tends, and
 I
 mean
 tends, to be difficult and not especially tuneful to my ear.
 There
 are exceptions, of course, and I play some of those, though
 mostly on
 guitar. I'm not a professional, so I tend to be fairly
 conservstive
 in the music I choose to spend time seeking out and playing.
 I
 also
 don't play many of the old compositions that fit the above
 criteria.
 I fully realize. however, that one person's difficult is
 another
 person's interesting, and I'm really glad that people 

[LUTE] Re: New music

[Tristan von Neumann]

Not exactly "new", but modern:

Charles Tournemire requests a lute in his 8th Symphony (1924) :)
Not a piece you can play with your friends though, except if you are 
friends with a Philharmonic Orchestra...


Am 22.12.2017 um 12:23 schrieb Jim Dunn:

As the lute becomes slowly more popular, I think we'll see more
contemporary lute music popping up equally slowly (I think lutes in
their various guises have a very interesting tonality and set of
limitations to compose for, I'm enjoying making my own ham-fisted
efforts at least...)
Meanwhile, not necessarily all 'new' material, but I've been enjoying
Peter Söderberg's three contemporary lute records:  20th century stuff
like Cage, Tenney, Stockhausen etc, as well as recordings of more
recent things written specifically for lute. The non-lute material he
has selected comes over very well in my opinion.
Here's to more!

On 22 Dec 2017, 00:21 +, Eric Hansen ,
wrote:

  Hartt School composer David Macbride composes solo lute music for
  me, a
  total of 13 pieces as of this writing. I played one of them at the
  Lute Society Seminar in Cleveland a few years ago, it's up on
  YouTube.
  He and I have begun to record the pieces, a few at a time.
  Best to all,
  Eric
  On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Jacob Johnson
  <[1]tmrguitar...@gmail.com> wrote:
  I don't think that's entirely accurate. Ronn McFarlane plays his
  own
  compositions, Jakob Lindberg performs the Britten Nocturnal (I
  know,
  it's not that new, and it's not really for lute, but IMO it kinda
  counts), Chris Wilke recorded a whole cd of Roman Turovsky's new
  works
  for baroque lute, I saw Elizabeth Kenny perform TWO recent
  theorbo
  commissions at the LuteFestWest, and there's certainly more
  examples I
  just can't think of at the moment.
  As soon as I can afford to do so, I intend to commission some
  works for
  myself to play.
  Jacob Johnson
  [uc?export=downloadid=0B6_gM3BRE6ZrYVVZZU5QNmJqdDQ&
  amp;revid=0B6_g
  M3BRE6ZraW9nQ2U4SGNwV0tYVWxobnNBVjBsZi9FNHhzPQ]
  Guitar/Lute
  [1][2]www.johnsonguitarstudio.com
  [3]469.237.0625.
  On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Christopher Stetson
  <[2][4]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote:
  Hello all.
  An interesting question, Peter, thanks for bringing it up.
  To
  answer
  honestly and personally, I'm not especially interested in new
  music,
  per se, for any of the instruments I play (mainly lute, guitar,
  mandolin, but some others too). I couldn't really say why,
  except
  that the music I've looked at from the last 30 years tends, and
  I
  mean
  tends, to be difficult and not especially tuneful to my ear.
  There
  are exceptions, of course, and I play some of those, though
  mostly on
  guitar. I'm not a professional, so I tend to be fairly
  conservstive
  in the music I choose to spend time seeking out and playing.
  I
  also
  don't play many of the old compositions that fit the above
  criteria.
  I fully realize. however, that one person's difficult is
  another
  person's interesting, and I'm really glad that people are
  writing
  new
  music for lute.
  Best to all, and keep playing,
  Chris.
  On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Peter Martin
  <[1][3][5]peter.l...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  Hello all,
  I recently bought a Wigmore Hall Live CD of a 2013 concert
  by
  countertenor Iestyn Davies and lutenist Thomas Dunford.
  It
  included
  the world premiere performance of a substantial piece by
  Nico
  Muhly
  called Old Bones. Up to now, I'd never heard of it,
  which
  surprised
  me because Muhly is a very successful young American
  composer.
  His
  new opera Marnie has just premiered at English National
  Opera,
  and his
  previous opera Two Boys was given at ENO and at the Met in
  New
  York.
  The score of Old Bones is available from Music Sales.
  Yet I
  can't see
  that the lute world has paid the slightest attention to it.
  Which sets me wondering, not about Muhly as such, but about
  new
  music
  generally. With the honourable exception of Jacob
  Heringman,
  scarcely
  anyone plays it. Any thoughts on why this is? Are
  we
  simply
  not
  interested in new music?
  Peter
  --
  To get on or off this list see list information at
  [2][4][6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.
  edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
  --
  References
  1. mailto:[5][7]peter.l...@gmail.com
  2. [6][8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.
  edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
  --
  References
  1. 

[LUTE] Re: New music

[Roman Turovsky]

Apparently with considerable success.
So much so that he can support himself just performing it.
RT


On 12/21/2017 10:10 PM, Peter Hoar wrote:

Jozef van Wissem writes music for Baroque lute.

On 22 December 2017 at 13:43, Stephan Olbertz
<[1]stephan.olbe...@web.de> wrote:

  I like this one here by Dosia McKay, comissioned by Will Tocaben:
  [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6lgO_kWGzo
  And a nice chat with the composer:
  [3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StxpE-7YrUY
  After 10 minutes it gets kind of funny when she talks about her love
  of
  Bach's bass lines...
  Regards
  Stephan
  -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
  Von: [4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[5]lute-arc@cs.dartmouth.
  edu] Im Auftrag
  von Toby Carr
  Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Dezember 2017 00:32
  An: lutelist Net
  Betreff: [LUTE] Re: New music
 Matthew Wadsworth's latest CD included a new piece for theorbo by
 Stephen Goss that I think is worth mentioning, and I believe they
  have
 plans to continue that collaboration
 On 21 Dec 2017 23:16, "David van Ooijen"
  <[1][6]davidvanooi...@gmail.com>
 wrote:
  Like most (pro) lute players, I play, record and arrange my
  share
   of
  contemporary music, have some written for me even, but it's
  far
  outnumbered by early music.
  On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 at 00:12, Daniel Shoskes
  <[1][2][7]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote:
I highly recommend it. I commissioned a work from Ronn
   McFarlane and
I think it's one of his most beautiful:
[2][3][8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYgAAyMtgtE
<[3][4][9]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYgAAyMtgtE>
Ronn playing it live: [4][5][10]https://www.youtube.com/
   watch?v=Cz3j5muuVKc
<[5][6][11]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz3j5muuVKc>
Recording:
[6][7][12]https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/passacaglia/
   878859427?i=8788594
69
<[7][8][13]https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/passacaglia/
   878859427?i=878859
469>
Also commissioned a version of Adon Olam from Rene
  Schiffer
   that is
in the form of a passacaglia with a theorbo part.
Let's keep them gainfully employed!
Danny
> On Dec 21, 2017, at 5:38 PM, Jacob Johnson

  <[8][9][14]tmrguitar...@gmail.com> wrote:
  >
  >   I don't think that's entirely accurate. Ronn
McFarlane
 plays
  his own
  >  compositions, Jakob Lindberg performs the Britten
 Nocturnal (I
  know,
  >  it's not that new, and it's not really for lute, but
IMO
 it
  kinda
  >  counts), Chris Wilke recorded a whole cd of Roman
 Turovsky's
  new works
  >  for baroque lute, I saw Elizabeth Kenny perform TWO
 recent
  theorbo
  >  commissions at the LuteFestWest, and there's certainly
 more
  examples I
  >  just can't think of at the moment.
  >  As soon as I can afford to do so, I intend to
commission
 some
  works for
  >  myself to play.
  >
  >  Jacob Johnson
  >

[uc?export=downloadid=0B6_gM3BRE6ZrYVVZZU5QNmJqdDQ&
   amp;revid=0B
6_g
>  M3BRE6ZraW9nQ2U4SGNwV0tYVWxobnNBVjBsZi9FNHhzPQ]
>  Guitar/Lute
>  [1][9][10][15]www.johnsonguitarstudio.com
>  [16][11]469.237.0625.
>  On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Christopher
  Stetson

  >  <[2][10][12][17]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote:
  >
  >   Hello all.
  >   An interesting question, Peter, thanks for
bringing
 it up.
  To
  >answer
  >   honestly and personally, I'm not especially
 interested in
  new
  >music,
  >   per se, for any of the instruments I play (mainly
 lute,
  guitar,
  >   mandolin, but some others too).   I couldn't
 really say
  why,
  >except
  >   that the music I've looked at from the last 30
years
  t

[LUTE] Re: New music

[Mayes, Joseph]

Ronn Mcfarlane wrote a three movement work for the Mayes Duo - "On the Heath". 
You can hear it on one of his Ayrheart CDs.

From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of Silvia 
Amato <amato.sil...@yahoo.it>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 3:23 AM
To: Peter Hoar
Cc: LuteNet list
Subject: [LUTE] Re: New music

I hope to see this music , it's really interesting! I Hope the composers will 
publish their work!
Best regards
Silvia

Inviato da iPhone

> Il giorno 22 dic 2017, alle ore 04:10, Peter Hoar <78r...@gmail.com> ha 
> scritto:
>
>   Jozef van Wissem writes music for Baroque lute.
>
>   On 22 December 2017 at 13:43, Stephan Olbertz
>   <[1]stephan.olbe...@web.de> wrote:
>
> I like this one here by Dosia McKay, comissioned by Will Tocaben:
> [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6lgO_kWGzo
> And a nice chat with the composer:
> [3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StxpE-7YrUY
> After 10 minutes it gets kind of funny when she talks about her love
> of
> Bach's bass lines...
> Regards
> Stephan
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: [4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[5]lute-arc@cs.dartmouth.
> edu] Im Auftrag
> von Toby Carr
> Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Dezember 2017 00:32
> An: lutelist Net
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: New music
>Matthew Wadsworth's latest CD included a new piece for theorbo by
>Stephen Goss that I think is worth mentioning, and I believe they
> have
>plans to continue that collaboration
>On 21 Dec 2017 23:16, "David van Ooijen"
> <[1][6]davidvanooi...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
> Like most (pro) lute players, I play, record and arrange my
> share
>  of
> contemporary music, have some written for me even, but it's
> far
> outnumbered by early music.
> On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 at 00:12, Daniel Shoskes
> <[1][2][7]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>   I highly recommend it. I commissioned a work from Ronn
>  McFarlane and
>   I think it's one of his most beautiful:
>   [2][3][8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYgAAyMtgtE
>   <[3][4][9]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYgAAyMtgtE>
>   Ronn playing it live: [4][5][10]https://www.youtube.com/
>  watch?v=Cz3j5muuVKc
>   <[5][6][11]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz3j5muuVKc>
>   Recording:
>   [6][7][12]https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/passacaglia/
>  878859427?i=8788594
>   69
>   <[7][8][13]https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/passacaglia/
>  878859427?i=878859
>   469>
>   Also commissioned a version of Adon Olam from Rene
> Schiffer
>  that is
>   in the form of a passacaglia with a theorbo part.
>   Let's keep them gainfully employed!
>   Danny
>> On Dec 21, 2017, at 5:38 PM, Jacob Johnson
>
> <[8][9][14]tmrguitar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  I don't think that's entirely accurate. Ronn
>   McFarlane
>plays
> his own
>> compositions, Jakob Lindberg performs the Britten
>Nocturnal (I
> know,
>> it's not that new, and it's not really for lute, but
>   IMO
>it
> kinda
>> counts), Chris Wilke recorded a whole cd of Roman
>Turovsky's
> new works
>> for baroque lute, I saw Elizabeth Kenny perform TWO
>recent
> theorbo
>> commissions at the LuteFestWest, and there's certainly
>more
> examples I
>> just can't think of at the moment.
>> As soon as I can afford to do so, I intend to
>   commission
>some
> works for
>> myself to play.
>>
>> Jacob Johnson
>>
>
>   [uc?export=downloadid=0B6_gM3BRE6ZrYVVZZU5QNmJqdDQ&
>  amp;revid=0B
>   6_g
>> M3BRE6ZraW9nQ2U4SGNwV0tYVWxobnNBVjBsZi9FNHhzPQ]
>> Guitar/Lute
>> [1][9][10][15]www.johnsonguitarstudio.com
>> [16][11]469.237.0625.
>> On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Christopher
> Stetson
>
>> <[2][10][12][17]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Hello all.
>>  An interesting question, Peter, thanks for
>   bringing
>it up.
> To
>>   answer
>>  honestly and persona

[LUTE] Re: New music

[Jim Dunn]

   As the lute becomes slowly more popular, I think we'll see more
   contemporary lute music popping up equally slowly (I think lutes in
   their various guises have a very interesting tonality and set of
   limitations to compose for, I'm enjoying making my own ham-fisted
   efforts at least...)
   Meanwhile, not necessarily all 'new' material, but I've been enjoying
   Peter Söderberg's three contemporary lute records:  20th century stuff
   like Cage, Tenney, Stockhausen etc, as well as recordings of more
   recent things written specifically for lute. The non-lute material he
   has selected comes over very well in my opinion.
   Here's to more!

   On 22 Dec 2017, 00:21 +, Eric Hansen ,
   wrote:

 Hartt School composer David Macbride composes solo lute music for
 me, a
 total of 13 pieces as of this writing. I played one of them at the
 Lute Society Seminar in Cleveland a few years ago, it's up on
 YouTube.
 He and I have begun to record the pieces, a few at a time.
 Best to all,
 Eric
 On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Jacob Johnson
 <[1]tmrguitar...@gmail.com> wrote:
 I don't think that's entirely accurate. Ronn McFarlane plays his
 own
 compositions, Jakob Lindberg performs the Britten Nocturnal (I
 know,
 it's not that new, and it's not really for lute, but IMO it kinda
 counts), Chris Wilke recorded a whole cd of Roman Turovsky's new
 works
 for baroque lute, I saw Elizabeth Kenny perform TWO recent
 theorbo
 commissions at the LuteFestWest, and there's certainly more
 examples I
 just can't think of at the moment.
 As soon as I can afford to do so, I intend to commission some
 works for
 myself to play.
 Jacob Johnson
 [uc?export=downloadid=0B6_gM3BRE6ZrYVVZZU5QNmJqdDQ&
 amp;revid=0B6_g
 M3BRE6ZraW9nQ2U4SGNwV0tYVWxobnNBVjBsZi9FNHhzPQ]
 Guitar/Lute
 [1][2]www.johnsonguitarstudio.com
 [3]469.237.0625.
 On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Christopher Stetson
 <[2][4]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote:
 Hello all.
 An interesting question, Peter, thanks for bringing it up.
 To
 answer
 honestly and personally, I'm not especially interested in new
 music,
 per se, for any of the instruments I play (mainly lute, guitar,
 mandolin, but some others too). I couldn't really say why,
 except
 that the music I've looked at from the last 30 years tends, and
 I
 mean
 tends, to be difficult and not especially tuneful to my ear.
 There
 are exceptions, of course, and I play some of those, though
 mostly on
 guitar. I'm not a professional, so I tend to be fairly
 conservstive
 in the music I choose to spend time seeking out and playing.
 I
 also
 don't play many of the old compositions that fit the above
 criteria.
 I fully realize. however, that one person's difficult is
 another
 person's interesting, and I'm really glad that people are
 writing
 new
 music for lute.
 Best to all, and keep playing,
 Chris.
 On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Peter Martin
 <[1][3][5]peter.l...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 Hello all,
 I recently bought a Wigmore Hall Live CD of a 2013 concert
 by
 countertenor Iestyn Davies and lutenist Thomas Dunford.
 It
 included
 the world premiere performance of a substantial piece by
 Nico
 Muhly
 called Old Bones. Up to now, I'd never heard of it,
 which
 surprised
 me because Muhly is a very successful young American
 composer.
 His
 new opera Marnie has just premiered at English National
 Opera,
 and his
 previous opera Two Boys was given at ENO and at the Met in
 New
 York.
 The score of Old Bones is available from Music Sales.
 Yet I
 can't see
 that the lute world has paid the slightest attention to it.
 Which sets me wondering, not about Muhly as such, but about
 new
 music
 generally. With the honourable exception of Jacob
 Heringman,
 scarcely
 anyone plays it. Any thoughts on why this is? Are
 we
 simply
 not
 interested in new music?
 Peter
 --
 To get on or off this list see list information at
 [2][4][6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.
 edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 --
 References
 1. mailto:[5][7]peter.l...@gmail.com
 2. [6][8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.
 edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 --
 References
 1. [9]http://www.johnsonguitarstudio.com/
 2. mailto:[10]christophertstet...@gmail.com
 3. mailto:[11]peter.l...@gmail.com
 4. [12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 5. mailto:[13]peter.l...@gmail.com
 6. [14]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 --
 Eric Hansen
 Librarian & lutenist
 --
 References
 1. 

[LUTE] Re: New music

[Silvia Amato]

I hope to see this music , it's really interesting! I Hope the composers will 
publish their work!
Best regards 
Silvia 

Inviato da iPhone

> Il giorno 22 dic 2017, alle ore 04:10, Peter Hoar <78r...@gmail.com> ha 
> scritto:
> 
>   Jozef van Wissem writes music for Baroque lute.
> 
>   On 22 December 2017 at 13:43, Stephan Olbertz
>   <[1]stephan.olbe...@web.de> wrote:
> 
> I like this one here by Dosia McKay, comissioned by Will Tocaben:
> [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6lgO_kWGzo
> And a nice chat with the composer:
> [3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StxpE-7YrUY
> After 10 minutes it gets kind of funny when she talks about her love
> of
> Bach's bass lines...
> Regards
> Stephan
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: [4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[5]lute-arc@cs.dartmouth.
> edu] Im Auftrag
> von Toby Carr
> Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Dezember 2017 00:32
> An: lutelist Net
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: New music
>Matthew Wadsworth's latest CD included a new piece for theorbo by
>Stephen Goss that I think is worth mentioning, and I believe they
> have
>plans to continue that collaboration
>On 21 Dec 2017 23:16, "David van Ooijen"
> <[1][6]davidvanooi...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
> Like most (pro) lute players, I play, record and arrange my
> share
>  of
> contemporary music, have some written for me even, but it's
> far
> outnumbered by early music.
> On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 at 00:12, Daniel Shoskes
> <[1][2][7]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>   I highly recommend it. I commissioned a work from Ronn
>  McFarlane and
>   I think it's one of his most beautiful:
>   [2][3][8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYgAAyMtgtE
>   <[3][4][9]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYgAAyMtgtE>
>   Ronn playing it live: [4][5][10]https://www.youtube.com/
>  watch?v=Cz3j5muuVKc
>   <[5][6][11]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz3j5muuVKc>
>   Recording:
>   [6][7][12]https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/passacaglia/
>  878859427?i=8788594
>   69
>   <[7][8][13]https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/passacaglia/
>  878859427?i=878859
>   469>
>   Also commissioned a version of Adon Olam from Rene
> Schiffer
>  that is
>   in the form of a passacaglia with a theorbo part.
>   Let's keep them gainfully employed!
>   Danny
>> On Dec 21, 2017, at 5:38 PM, Jacob Johnson
> 
> <[8][9][14]tmrguitar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  I don't think that's entirely accurate. Ronn
>   McFarlane
>plays
> his own
>> compositions, Jakob Lindberg performs the Britten
>Nocturnal (I
> know,
>> it's not that new, and it's not really for lute, but
>   IMO
>it
> kinda
>> counts), Chris Wilke recorded a whole cd of Roman
>Turovsky's
> new works
>> for baroque lute, I saw Elizabeth Kenny perform TWO
>recent
> theorbo
>> commissions at the LuteFestWest, and there's certainly
>more
> examples I
>> just can't think of at the moment.
>> As soon as I can afford to do so, I intend to
>   commission
>some
> works for
>> myself to play.
>> 
>> Jacob Johnson
>> 
> 
>   [uc?export=downloadid=0B6_gM3BRE6ZrYVVZZU5QNmJqdDQ&
>  amp;revid=0B
>   6_g
>> M3BRE6ZraW9nQ2U4SGNwV0tYVWxobnNBVjBsZi9FNHhzPQ]
>> Guitar/Lute
>> [1][9][10][15]www.johnsonguitarstudio.com
>> [16][11]469.237.0625.
>> On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Christopher
> Stetson
> 
>> <[2][10][12][17]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  Hello all.
>>  An interesting question, Peter, thanks for
>   bringing
>it up.
> To
>>   answer
>>  honestly and personally, I'm not especially
>interested in
> new
>>   music,
>>  per se, for any of the instruments I play (mainly
>lute,
> guitar,
>>  mandolin, but some others too).   I couldn't
>really say
> why,
>>   except
>>  that the music I've looked at from 

[LUTE] Re: New music

[John Mardinly]

   Beautiful!

   A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.

   On Dec 21, 2017, at 4:10 PM, Daniel Shoskes <[1]kidneykut...@gmail.com>
   wrote:

   I highly recommend it. I commissioned a work from Ronn McFarlane and I
   think it's one of his most beautiful:
   [2]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com
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   <[5]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.co
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   m_us_album_passacaglia_878859427-3Fi-3D878859469=DwIFaQ=l45AxH-kUV2
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   <[7]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__itunes.apple.c
   om_us_album_passacaglia_878859427-3Fi-3D878859469=DwIFaQ=l45AxH-kUV
   29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZ
   ONBRt90E=Emuo5qxLmFU3e8JU82bUbNbz1olJ6JOPsYMQ3UVCixs=QVqbIK-CcOlS8V
   Imkdtxlj2AV_yRjYUsTGSOek8JhZQ=>
   Also commissioned a version of Adon Olam from Rene Schiffer that is in
   the form of a passacaglia with a theorbo part.
   Let's keep them gainfully employed!
   Danny

 On Dec 21, 2017, at 5:38 PM, Jacob Johnson
 <[8]tmrguitar...@gmail.com> wrote:
   I don't think that's entirely accurate. Ronn McFarlane plays his
 own
  compositions, Jakob Lindberg performs the Britten Nocturnal (I
 know,
  it's not that new, and it's not really for lute, but IMO it kinda
  counts), Chris Wilke recorded a whole cd of Roman Turovsky's new
 works
  for baroque lute, I saw Elizabeth Kenny perform TWO recent theorbo
  commissions at the LuteFestWest, and there's certainly more
 examples I
  just can't think of at the moment.
  As soon as I can afford to do so, I intend to commission some works
 for
  myself to play.
  Jacob Johnson
  [uc?export=downloadid6_gM3BRE6ZrYVVZZU5QNmJqdDQrevid6_g
  M3BRE6ZraW9nQ2U4SGNwV0tYVWxobnNBVjBsZi9FNHhzPQ]
  Guitar/Lute
  [1][9]www.johnsonguitarstudio.com
  469.237.0625.
  On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Christopher Stetson
  <[2][10]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote:
   Hello all.
   An interesting question, Peter, thanks for bringing it up.
 To
answer
   honestly and personally, I'm not especially interested in new
music,
   per se, for any of the instruments I play (mainly lute,
 guitar,
   mandolin, but some others too).I couldn't really say why,
except
   that the music I've looked at from the last 30 years tends,
 and I
mean
   tends, to be difficult and not especially tuneful to my ear.
There
   are exceptions, of course, and I play some of those, though
mostly on
   guitar.I'm not a professional, so I tend to be fairly
conservstive
   in the music I choose to spend time seeking out and playing.
   I
also
   don't play many of the old compositions that fit the above
criteria.
   I fully realize. however,that one person's difficult is
another
   person's interesting, and I'm really glad that people are
 writing
new
   music for lute.
   Best to all, and keep playing,
   Chris.
 On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Peter Martin
  <[1][3][11]peter.l...@gmail.com>
 wrote:
  Hello all,
  I recently bought a Wigmore Hall Live CD of a 2013 concert
 by
  countertenor Iestyn Davies and lutenist Thomas Dunford.
  It
   included
  the world premiere performance of a substantial piece by
 Nico
   Muhly
  called Old Bones. Up to now, I'd never heard of 

[LUTE] Re: New music

[Peter Hoar]

   Jozef van Wissem writes music for Baroque lute.

   On 22 December 2017 at 13:43, Stephan Olbertz
   <[1]stephan.olbe...@web.de> wrote:

 I like this one here by Dosia McKay, comissioned by Will Tocaben:
 [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6lgO_kWGzo
 And a nice chat with the composer:
 [3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StxpE-7YrUY
 After 10 minutes it gets kind of funny when she talks about her love
 of
 Bach's bass lines...
 Regards
 Stephan
 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: [4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[5]lute-arc@cs.dartmouth.
 edu] Im Auftrag
 von Toby Carr
 Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Dezember 2017 00:32
 An: lutelist Net
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: New music
Matthew Wadsworth's latest CD included a new piece for theorbo by
Stephen Goss that I think is worth mentioning, and I believe they
 have
plans to continue that collaboration
On 21 Dec 2017 23:16, "David van Ooijen"
 <[1][6]davidvanooi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
 Like most (pro) lute players, I play, record and arrange my
 share
  of
 contemporary music, have some written for me even, but it's
 far
 outnumbered by early music.
 On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 at 00:12, Daniel Shoskes
 <[1][2][7]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote:
   I highly recommend it. I commissioned a work from Ronn
  McFarlane and
   I think it's one of his most beautiful:
   [2][3][8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYgAAyMtgtE
   <[3][4][9]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYgAAyMtgtE>
   Ronn playing it live: [4][5][10]https://www.youtube.com/
  watch?v=Cz3j5muuVKc
   <[5][6][11]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz3j5muuVKc>
   Recording:
   [6][7][12]https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/passacaglia/
  878859427?i=8788594
   69
   <[7][8][13]https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/passacaglia/
  878859427?i=878859
   469>
   Also commissioned a version of Adon Olam from Rene
 Schiffer
  that is
   in the form of a passacaglia with a theorbo part.
   Let's keep them gainfully employed!
   Danny
   > On Dec 21, 2017, at 5:38 PM, Jacob Johnson

 <[8][9][14]tmrguitar...@gmail.com> wrote:
 >
 >   I don't think that's entirely accurate. Ronn
   McFarlane
plays
 his own
 >  compositions, Jakob Lindberg performs the Britten
Nocturnal (I
 know,
 >  it's not that new, and it's not really for lute, but
   IMO
it
 kinda
 >  counts), Chris Wilke recorded a whole cd of Roman
Turovsky's
 new works
 >  for baroque lute, I saw Elizabeth Kenny perform TWO
recent
 theorbo
 >  commissions at the LuteFestWest, and there's certainly
more
 examples I
 >  just can't think of at the moment.
 >  As soon as I can afford to do so, I intend to
   commission
some
 works for
 >  myself to play.
 >
 >  Jacob Johnson
 >

   [uc?export=downloadid=0B6_gM3BRE6ZrYVVZZU5QNmJqdDQ&
  amp;revid=0B
   6_g
   >  M3BRE6ZraW9nQ2U4SGNwV0tYVWxobnNBVjBsZi9FNHhzPQ]
   >  Guitar/Lute
   >  [1][9][10][15]www.johnsonguitarstudio.com
   >  [16][11]469.237.0625.
   >  On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Christopher
 Stetson

 >  <[2][10][12][17]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote:
 >
 >   Hello all.
 >   An interesting question, Peter, thanks for
   bringing
it up.
 To
 >answer
 >   honestly and personally, I'm not especially
interested in
 new
 >music,
 >   per se, for any of the instruments I play (mainly
lute,
 guitar,
 >   mandolin, but some others too).   I couldn't
really say
 why,
 >except
 >   that the music I've looked at from the last 30
   years
 tends, and I
 >mean
 >   tends, to be difficult and not especially tuneful
   to
my
 ear.
 >There
 >   are exceptions, of course, and I play so

[LUTE] Re: New music

[Stephan Olbertz]

I like this one here by Dosia McKay, comissioned by Will Tocaben:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6lgO_kWGzo
And a nice chat with the composer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StxpE-7YrUY
After 10 minutes it gets kind of funny when she talks about her love of
Bach's bass lines...

Regards
Stephan

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag
von Toby Carr
Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Dezember 2017 00:32
An: lutelist Net
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: New music

   Matthew Wadsworth's latest CD included a new piece for theorbo by
   Stephen Goss that I think is worth mentioning, and I believe they have
   plans to continue that collaboration

   On 21 Dec 2017 23:16, "David van Ooijen" <[1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com>
   wrote:

Like most (pro) lute players, I play, record and arrange my share
 of
contemporary music, have some written for me even, but it's far
outnumbered by early music.
On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 at 00:12, Daniel Shoskes
<[1][2]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote:
  I highly recommend it. I commissioned a work from Ronn
 McFarlane and
  I think it's one of his most beautiful:
  [2][3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYgAAyMtgtE
  <[3][4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYgAAyMtgtE>
  Ronn playing it live: [4][5]https://www.youtube.com/
 watch?v=Cz3j5muuVKc
  <[5][6]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz3j5muuVKc>
  Recording:
  [6][7]https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/passacaglia/
 878859427?i=8788594
  69
  <[7][8]https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/passacaglia/
 878859427?i=878859
  469>
  Also commissioned a version of Adon Olam from Rene Schiffer
 that is
  in the form of a passacaglia with a theorbo part.
  Let's keep them gainfully employed!
  Danny
  > On Dec 21, 2017, at 5:38 PM, Jacob Johnson
  <[8][9]tmrguitar...@gmail.com> wrote:
  >
  >  I don't think that's entirely accurate. Ronn McFarlane
 plays
  his own
  > compositions, Jakob Lindberg performs the Britten
 Nocturnal (I
  know,
  > it's not that new, and it's not really for lute, but IMO
 it
  kinda
  > counts), Chris Wilke recorded a whole cd of Roman
 Turovsky's
  new works
  > for baroque lute, I saw Elizabeth Kenny perform TWO
 recent
  theorbo
  > commissions at the LuteFestWest, and there's certainly
 more
  examples I
  > just can't think of at the moment.
  > As soon as I can afford to do so, I intend to commission
 some
  works for
  > myself to play.
  >
  > Jacob Johnson
  >
  [uc?export=downloadid=0B6_gM3BRE6ZrYVVZZU5QNmJqdDQ&
 amp;revid=0B
  6_g
  > M3BRE6ZraW9nQ2U4SGNwV0tYVWxobnNBVjBsZi9FNHhzPQ]
  > Guitar/Lute
  > [1][9][10]www.johnsonguitarstudio.com
  > [11]469.237.0625.
  > On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Christopher Stetson
  > <[2][10][12]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote:
  >
  >  Hello all.
  >  An interesting question, Peter, thanks for bringing
 it up.
  To
  >   answer
  >  honestly and personally, I'm not especially
 interested in
  new
  >   music,
  >  per se, for any of the instruments I play (mainly
 lute,
  guitar,
  >  mandolin, but some others too).  I couldn't
 really say
  why,
  >   except
  >  that the music I've looked at from the last 30 years
  tends, and I
  >   mean
  >  tends, to be difficult and not especially tuneful to
 my
  ear.
  >   There
  >  are exceptions, of course, and I play some of those,
  though
  >   mostly on
  >  guitar.  I'm not a professional, so I tend to be
 fairly
  >   conservstive
  >  in the music I choose to spend time seeking out and
  playing.  I
  >   also
  >  don't play many of the old compositions that fit the
 above
  >   criteria.
  >  I fully realize. however,  that one person's
 difficult
  is
  >   another
  >  person's interesting, and I'm really glad that
 people are
  writing
  >   new
  >  music for lute.
  >

[LUTE] Re: New music

[sterling price]

I have composed a few big works for the baroque lute, and I'm now working on 
something for 15 course archlute.
Sterling 

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 21, 2017, at 4:10 PM, Daniel Shoskes  wrote:
> 
> I highly recommend it. I commissioned a work from Ronn McFarlane and I think 
> it’s one of his most beautiful:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYgAAyMtgtE 
> 
> 
> Ronn playing it live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz3j5muuVKc 
> 
> 
> Recording: 
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/passacaglia/878859427?i=878859469 
> 
> 
> Also commissioned a version of Adon Olam from Rene Schiffer that is in the 
> form of a passacaglia with a theorbo part.
> 
> Let’s keep them gainfully employed!
> 
> Danny
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 21, 2017, at 5:38 PM, Jacob Johnson  wrote:
>> 
>>   I don't think that's entirely accurate. Ronn McFarlane plays his own
>>  compositions, Jakob Lindberg performs the Britten Nocturnal (I know,
>>  it's not that new, and it's not really for lute, but IMO it kinda
>>  counts), Chris Wilke recorded a whole cd of Roman Turovsky's new works
>>  for baroque lute, I saw Elizabeth Kenny perform TWO recent theorbo
>>  commissions at the LuteFestWest, and there's certainly more examples I
>>  just can't think of at the moment.
>>  As soon as I can afford to do so, I intend to commission some works for
>>  myself to play.
>> 
>>  Jacob Johnson
>>  [uc?export=downloadid=0B6_gM3BRE6ZrYVVZZU5QNmJqdDQrevid=0B6_g
>>  M3BRE6ZraW9nQ2U4SGNwV0tYVWxobnNBVjBsZi9FNHhzPQ]
>>  Guitar/Lute
>>  [1]www.johnsonguitarstudio.com
>>  469.237.0625.
>>  On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Christopher Stetson
>>  <[2]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>   Hello all.
>>   An interesting question, Peter, thanks for bringing it up.To
>>answer
>>   honestly and personally, I'm not especially interested in new
>>music,
>>   per se, for any of the instruments I play (mainly lute, guitar,
>>   mandolin, but some others too).I couldn't really say why,
>>except
>>   that the music I've looked at from the last 30 years tends, and I
>>mean
>>   tends, to be difficult and not especially tuneful to my ear.
>>There
>>   are exceptions, of course, and I play some of those, though
>>mostly on
>>   guitar.I'm not a professional, so I tend to be fairly
>>conservstive
>>   in the music I choose to spend time seeking out and playing.I
>>also
>>   don't play many of the old compositions that fit the above
>>criteria.
>>   I fully realize. however,that one person's difficult is
>>another
>>   person's interesting, and I'm really glad that people are writing
>>new
>>   music for lute.
>>   Best to all, and keep playing,
>>   Chris.
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Peter Martin
>>  <[1][3]peter.l...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>  Hello all,
>>  I recently bought a Wigmore Hall Live CD of a 2013 concert by
>>  countertenor Iestyn Davies and lutenist Thomas Dunford. It
>>   included
>>  the world premiere performance of a substantial piece by Nico
>>   Muhly
>>  called Old Bones. Up to now, I'd never heard of it, which
>>   surprised
>>  me because Muhly is a very successful young American composer.
>>His
>>  new opera Marnie has just premiered at English National Opera,
>>   and his
>>  previous opera Two Boys was given at ENO and at the Met in New
>>   York.
>>  The score of Old Bones is available from Music Sales. Yet I
>>   can't see
>>  that the lute world has paid the slightest attention to it.
>>  Which sets me wondering, not about Muhly as such, but about new
>>   music
>>  generally. With the honourable exception of Jacob
>>  Heringman,
>>   scarcely
>>  anyone plays it. Any thoughts on why this is? Are we
>>  simply
>>   not
>>  interested in new music?
>>  Peter
>>  --
>>   To get on or off this list see list information at
>> 
>> [2][4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>>   --
>>References
>>   1. mailto:[5]peter.l...@gmail.com
>>   2. [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>> 
>>  --
>> 
>> References
>> 
>>  1. http://www.johnsonguitarstudio.com/
>>  2. mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com
>>  3. mailto:peter.l...@gmail.com
>>  4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>>  5. mailto:peter.l...@gmail.com
>>  6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 
> 
> --

[LUTE] Re: New music

[Eric Hansen]

   Hartt School composer David Macbride composes solo lute music for me, a
   total of 13 pieces as of this writing.   I played one of them at the
   Lute Society Seminar in Cleveland a few years ago, it's up on YouTube.
 He and I have begun to record the pieces, a few at a time.
   Best to all,
   Eric

   On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Jacob Johnson
   <[1]tmrguitar...@gmail.com> wrote:

 I don't think that's entirely accurate. Ronn McFarlane plays his
 own
compositions, Jakob Lindberg performs the Britten Nocturnal (I
 know,
it's not that new, and it's not really for lute, but IMO it kinda
counts), Chris Wilke recorded a whole cd of Roman Turovsky's new
 works
for baroque lute, I saw Elizabeth Kenny perform TWO recent
 theorbo
commissions at the LuteFestWest, and there's certainly more
 examples I
just can't think of at the moment.
As soon as I can afford to do so, I intend to commission some
 works for
myself to play.
Jacob Johnson
[uc?export=downloadid=0B6_gM3BRE6ZrYVVZZU5QNmJqdDQ&
 amp;revid=0B6_g
M3BRE6ZraW9nQ2U4SGNwV0tYVWxobnNBVjBsZi9FNHhzPQ]
Guitar/Lute
[1][2]www.johnsonguitarstudio.com
[3]469.237.0625.

  On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Christopher Stetson
  <[2][4]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote:
   Hello all.
   An interesting question, Peter, thanks for bringing it up.
   To
answer
   honestly and personally, I'm not especially interested in new
music,
   per se, for any of the instruments I play (mainly lute, guitar,
   mandolin, but some others too). I couldn't really say why,
except
   that the music I've looked at from the last 30 years tends, and
   I
mean
   tends, to be difficult and not especially tuneful to my ear.
There
   are exceptions, of course, and I play some of those, though
mostly on
   guitar. I'm not a professional, so I tend to be fairly
conservstive
   in the music I choose to spend time seeking out and playing.
 I
also
   don't play many of the old compositions that fit the above
criteria.
   I fully realize. however, that one person's difficult is
another
   person's interesting, and I'm really glad that people are
   writing
new
   music for lute.
   Best to all, and keep playing,
   Chris.
 On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Peter Martin

<[1][3][5]peter.l...@gmail.com>

 wrote:
  Hello all,
  I recently bought a Wigmore Hall Live CD of a 2013 concert
   by
  countertenor Iestyn Davies and lutenist Thomas Dunford.
It
   included
  the world premiere performance of a substantial piece by
   Nico
   Muhly
  called Old Bones.  Up to now, I'd never heard of it,
   which
   surprised
  me because Muhly is a very successful young American
   composer.
His
  new opera Marnie has just premiered at English National
   Opera,
   and his
  previous opera Two Boys was given at ENO and at the Met in
   New
   York.
  The score of Old Bones is available from Music Sales.
   Yet I
   can't see
  that the lute world has paid the slightest attention to it.
  Which sets me wondering, not about Muhly as such, but about
   new
   music
  generally.  With the honourable exception of Jacob
  Heringman,
   scarcely
  anyone plays it.  Any thoughts on why this is?  Are
   we
  simply
   not
  interested in new music?
  Peter
  --
   To get on or off this list see list information at

   [2][4][6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.
 edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 --
  References
 1. mailto:[5][7]peter.l...@gmail.com
 2. [6][8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.
 edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
--
 References
1. [9]http://www.johnsonguitarstudio.com/
2. mailto:[10]christophertstet...@gmail.com
3. mailto:[11]peter.l...@gmail.com
4. [12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
5. mailto:[13]peter.l...@gmail.com
6. [14]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

   --
   Eric Hansen
   Librarian & lutenist

   --

References

   1. mailto:tmrguitar...@gmail.com
   2. http://www.johnsonguitarstudio.com/
   3. tel:469.237.0625
   4. mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com
   5. mailto:peter.l...@gmail.com
   6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   7. mailto:peter.l...@gmail.com
   8. 

[LUTE] Re: New music

[Toby Carr]

   Matthew Wadsworth's latest CD included a new piece for theorbo by
   Stephen Goss that I think is worth mentioning, and I believe they have
   plans to continue that collaboration

   On 21 Dec 2017 23:16, "David van Ooijen" <[1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com>
   wrote:

Like most (pro) lute players, I play, record and arrange my share
 of
contemporary music, have some written for me even, but it's far
outnumbered by early music.
On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 at 00:12, Daniel Shoskes
<[1][2]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote:
  I highly recommend it. I commissioned a work from Ronn
 McFarlane and
  I think it's one of his most beautiful:
  [2][3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYgAAyMtgtE
  <[3][4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYgAAyMtgtE>
  Ronn playing it live: [4][5]https://www.youtube.com/
 watch?v=Cz3j5muuVKc
  <[5][6]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz3j5muuVKc>
  Recording:
  [6][7]https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/passacaglia/
 878859427?i=8788594
  69
  <[7][8]https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/passacaglia/
 878859427?i=878859
  469>
  Also commissioned a version of Adon Olam from Rene Schiffer
 that is
  in the form of a passacaglia with a theorbo part.
  Let's keep them gainfully employed!
  Danny
  > On Dec 21, 2017, at 5:38 PM, Jacob Johnson
  <[8][9]tmrguitar...@gmail.com> wrote:
  >
  >  I don't think that's entirely accurate. Ronn McFarlane
 plays
  his own
  > compositions, Jakob Lindberg performs the Britten
 Nocturnal (I
  know,
  > it's not that new, and it's not really for lute, but IMO
 it
  kinda
  > counts), Chris Wilke recorded a whole cd of Roman
 Turovsky's
  new works
  > for baroque lute, I saw Elizabeth Kenny perform TWO
 recent
  theorbo
  > commissions at the LuteFestWest, and there's certainly
 more
  examples I
  > just can't think of at the moment.
  > As soon as I can afford to do so, I intend to commission
 some
  works for
  > myself to play.
  >
  > Jacob Johnson
  >
  [uc?export=downloadid=0B6_gM3BRE6ZrYVVZZU5QNmJqdDQ&
 amp;revid=0B
  6_g
  > M3BRE6ZraW9nQ2U4SGNwV0tYVWxobnNBVjBsZi9FNHhzPQ]
  > Guitar/Lute
  > [1][9][10]www.johnsonguitarstudio.com
  > [11]469.237.0625.
  > On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Christopher Stetson
  > <[2][10][12]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote:
  >
  >  Hello all.
  >  An interesting question, Peter, thanks for bringing
 it up.
  To
  >   answer
  >  honestly and personally, I'm not especially
 interested in
  new
  >   music,
  >  per se, for any of the instruments I play (mainly
 lute,
  guitar,
  >  mandolin, but some others too).  I couldn't
 really say
  why,
  >   except
  >  that the music I've looked at from the last 30 years
  tends, and I
  >   mean
  >  tends, to be difficult and not especially tuneful to
 my
  ear.
  >   There
  >  are exceptions, of course, and I play some of those,
  though
  >   mostly on
  >  guitar.  I'm not a professional, so I tend to be
 fairly
  >   conservstive
  >  in the music I choose to spend time seeking out and
  playing.  I
  >   also
  >  don't play many of the old compositions that fit the
 above
  >   criteria.
  >  I fully realize. however,  that one person's
 difficult
  is
  >   another
  >  person's interesting, and I'm really glad that
 people are
  writing
  >   new
  >  music for lute.
  >  Best to all, and keep playing,
  >  Chris.
  >
  >On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Peter Martin
  > <[1][3][11][13]peter.l...@gmail.com>
  >wrote:
  > Hello all,
  > I recently bought a Wigmore Hall Live CD of a
 2013
  concert by
  > countertenor Iestyn Davies and lutenist Thomas
 Dunford.
   It
  >  included
  > the world premiere performance of a substantial
 piece
  by Nico
  >  Muhly
  > called Old Bones.   Up to now, I'd never
 heard of
 

[LUTE] Re: New music

[David van Ooijen]

   Like most (pro) lute players, I play, record and arrange my share of
   contemporary music, have some written for me even, but it's far
   outnumbered by early music.
   On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 at 00:12, Daniel Shoskes
   <[1]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote:

 I highly recommend it. I commissioned a work from Ronn McFarlane and
 I think it's one of his most beautiful:
 [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYgAAyMtgtE
 <[3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYgAAyMtgtE>
 Ronn playing it live: [4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz3j5muuVKc
 <[5]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz3j5muuVKc>
 Recording:
 [6]https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/passacaglia/878859427?i=8788594
 69
 <[7]https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/passacaglia/878859427?i=878859
 469>
 Also commissioned a version of Adon Olam from Rene Schiffer that is
 in the form of a passacaglia with a theorbo part.
 Let's keep them gainfully employed!
 Danny
 > On Dec 21, 2017, at 5:38 PM, Jacob Johnson
 <[8]tmrguitar...@gmail.com> wrote:
 >
 > I don't think that's entirely accurate. Ronn McFarlane plays
 his own
 >compositions, Jakob Lindberg performs the Britten Nocturnal (I
 know,
 >it's not that new, and it's not really for lute, but IMO it
 kinda
 >counts), Chris Wilke recorded a whole cd of Roman Turovsky's
 new works
 >for baroque lute, I saw Elizabeth Kenny perform TWO recent
 theorbo
 >commissions at the LuteFestWest, and there's certainly more
 examples I
 >just can't think of at the moment.
 >As soon as I can afford to do so, I intend to commission some
 works for
 >myself to play.
 >
 >Jacob Johnson
 >
 [uc?export=downloadid=0B6_gM3BRE6ZrYVVZZU5QNmJqdDQrevid=0B
 6_g
 >M3BRE6ZraW9nQ2U4SGNwV0tYVWxobnNBVjBsZi9FNHhzPQ]
 >Guitar/Lute
 >[1][9]www.johnsonguitarstudio.com
 >469.237.0625.
 >On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Christopher Stetson
 ><[2][10]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote:
 >
 > Hello all.
 > An interesting question, Peter, thanks for bringing it up.
 To
 >  answer
 > honestly and personally, I'm not especially interested in
 new
 >  music,
 > per se, for any of the instruments I play (mainly lute,
 guitar,
 > mandolin, but some others too). I couldn't really say
 why,
 >  except
 > that the music I've looked at from the last 30 years
 tends, and I
 >  mean
 > tends, to be difficult and not especially tuneful to my
 ear.
 >  There
 > are exceptions, of course, and I play some of those,
 though
 >  mostly on
 > guitar. I'm not a professional, so I tend to be fairly
 >  conservstive
 > in the music I choose to spend time seeking out and
 playing. I
 >  also
 > don't play many of the old compositions that fit the above
 >  criteria.
 > I fully realize. however, that one person's difficult
 is
 >  another
 > person's interesting, and I'm really glad that people are
 writing
 >  new
 > music for lute.
 > Best to all, and keep playing,
 > Chris.
 >
 >   On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Peter Martin
 ><[1][3][11]peter.l...@gmail.com>
 >   wrote:
 >Hello all,
 >I recently bought a Wigmore Hall Live CD of a 2013
 concert by
 >countertenor Iestyn Davies and lutenist Thomas Dunford.
  It
 > included
 >the world premiere performance of a substantial piece
 by Nico
 > Muhly
 >called Old Bones.  Up to now, I'd never heard of
 it, which
 > surprised
 >me because Muhly is a very successful young American
 composer.
 >  His
 >new opera Marnie has just premiered at English National
 Opera,
 > and his
 >previous opera Two Boys was given at ENO and at the Met
 in New
 > York.
 >The score of Old Bones is available from Music Sales.
Yet I
 > can't see
 >that the lute world has paid the slightest attention to
 it.
 >Which sets me wondering, not about Muhly as such, but
 about new
 > music
 >generally.  With the honourable exception of Jacob
 >Heringman,
 > scarcely
 >anyone plays it.  Any thoughts on why this is?
  Are we
 >simply
 > not
 >interested in new music?
 >Peter
 >--
 > To get on or off this 

[LUTE] Re: New music

[Daniel Shoskes]

I highly recommend it. I commissioned a work from Ronn McFarlane and I think 
it’s one of his most beautiful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYgAAyMtgtE 


Ronn playing it live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz3j5muuVKc 


Recording: https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/passacaglia/878859427?i=878859469 


Also commissioned a version of Adon Olam from Rene Schiffer that is in the form 
of a passacaglia with a theorbo part.

Let’s keep them gainfully employed!

Danny



> On Dec 21, 2017, at 5:38 PM, Jacob Johnson  wrote:
> 
>I don't think that's entirely accurate. Ronn McFarlane plays his own
>   compositions, Jakob Lindberg performs the Britten Nocturnal (I know,
>   it's not that new, and it's not really for lute, but IMO it kinda
>   counts), Chris Wilke recorded a whole cd of Roman Turovsky's new works
>   for baroque lute, I saw Elizabeth Kenny perform TWO recent theorbo
>   commissions at the LuteFestWest, and there's certainly more examples I
>   just can't think of at the moment.
>   As soon as I can afford to do so, I intend to commission some works for
>   myself to play.
> 
>   Jacob Johnson
>   [uc?export=downloadid=0B6_gM3BRE6ZrYVVZZU5QNmJqdDQrevid=0B6_g
>   M3BRE6ZraW9nQ2U4SGNwV0tYVWxobnNBVjBsZi9FNHhzPQ]
>   Guitar/Lute
>   [1]www.johnsonguitarstudio.com
>   469.237.0625.
>   On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Christopher Stetson
>   <[2]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>Hello all.
>An interesting question, Peter, thanks for bringing it up.To
> answer
>honestly and personally, I'm not especially interested in new
> music,
>per se, for any of the instruments I play (mainly lute, guitar,
>mandolin, but some others too).I couldn't really say why,
> except
>that the music I've looked at from the last 30 years tends, and I
> mean
>tends, to be difficult and not especially tuneful to my ear.
> There
>are exceptions, of course, and I play some of those, though
> mostly on
>guitar.I'm not a professional, so I tend to be fairly
> conservstive
>in the music I choose to spend time seeking out and playing.I
> also
>don't play many of the old compositions that fit the above
> criteria.
>I fully realize. however,that one person's difficult is
> another
>person's interesting, and I'm really glad that people are writing
> new
>music for lute.
>Best to all, and keep playing,
>Chris.
> 
>  On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Peter Martin
>   <[1][3]peter.l...@gmail.com>
>  wrote:
>   Hello all,
>   I recently bought a Wigmore Hall Live CD of a 2013 concert by
>   countertenor Iestyn Davies and lutenist Thomas Dunford. It
>included
>   the world premiere performance of a substantial piece by Nico
>Muhly
>   called Old Bones. Up to now, I'd never heard of it, which
>surprised
>   me because Muhly is a very successful young American composer.
> His
>   new opera Marnie has just premiered at English National Opera,
>and his
>   previous opera Two Boys was given at ENO and at the Met in New
>York.
>   The score of Old Bones is available from Music Sales. Yet I
>can't see
>   that the lute world has paid the slightest attention to it.
>   Which sets me wondering, not about Muhly as such, but about new
>music
>   generally. With the honourable exception of Jacob
>   Heringman,
>scarcely
>   anyone plays it. Any thoughts on why this is? Are we
>   simply
>not
>   interested in new music?
>   Peter
>   --
>To get on or off this list see list information at
> 
>  [2][4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>--
> References
>1. mailto:[5]peter.l...@gmail.com
>2. [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 
>   --
> 
> References
> 
>   1. http://www.johnsonguitarstudio.com/
>   2. mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com
>   3. mailto:peter.l...@gmail.com
>   4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>   5. mailto:peter.l...@gmail.com
>   6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 


--

[LUTE] Re: New music

[Jacob Johnson]

I don't think that's entirely accurate. Ronn McFarlane plays his own
   compositions, Jakob Lindberg performs the Britten Nocturnal (I know,
   it's not that new, and it's not really for lute, but IMO it kinda
   counts), Chris Wilke recorded a whole cd of Roman Turovsky's new works
   for baroque lute, I saw Elizabeth Kenny perform TWO recent theorbo
   commissions at the LuteFestWest, and there's certainly more examples I
   just can't think of at the moment.
   As soon as I can afford to do so, I intend to commission some works for
   myself to play.

   Jacob Johnson
   [uc?export=downloadid=0B6_gM3BRE6ZrYVVZZU5QNmJqdDQrevid=0B6_g
   M3BRE6ZraW9nQ2U4SGNwV0tYVWxobnNBVjBsZi9FNHhzPQ]
   Guitar/Lute
   [1]www.johnsonguitarstudio.com
   469.237.0625.
   On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Christopher Stetson
   <[2]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello all.
An interesting question, Peter, thanks for bringing it up.To
 answer
honestly and personally, I'm not especially interested in new
 music,
per se, for any of the instruments I play (mainly lute, guitar,
mandolin, but some others too).I couldn't really say why,
 except
that the music I've looked at from the last 30 years tends, and I
 mean
tends, to be difficult and not especially tuneful to my ear.
 There
are exceptions, of course, and I play some of those, though
 mostly on
guitar.I'm not a professional, so I tend to be fairly
 conservstive
in the music I choose to spend time seeking out and playing.I
 also
don't play many of the old compositions that fit the above
 criteria.
I fully realize. however,that one person's difficult is
 another
person's interesting, and I'm really glad that people are writing
 new
music for lute.
Best to all, and keep playing,
Chris.

  On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Peter Martin
   <[1][3]peter.l...@gmail.com>
  wrote:
   Hello all,
   I recently bought a Wigmore Hall Live CD of a 2013 concert by
   countertenor Iestyn Davies and lutenist Thomas Dunford. It
included
   the world premiere performance of a substantial piece by Nico
Muhly
   called Old Bones. Up to now, I'd never heard of it, which
surprised
   me because Muhly is a very successful young American composer.
 His
   new opera Marnie has just premiered at English National Opera,
and his
   previous opera Two Boys was given at ENO and at the Met in New
York.
   The score of Old Bones is available from Music Sales. Yet I
can't see
   that the lute world has paid the slightest attention to it.
   Which sets me wondering, not about Muhly as such, but about new
music
   generally. With the honourable exception of Jacob
   Heringman,
scarcely
   anyone plays it. Any thoughts on why this is? Are we
   simply
not
   interested in new music?
   Peter
   --
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  [2][4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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 References
1. mailto:[5]peter.l...@gmail.com
2. [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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References

   1. http://www.johnsonguitarstudio.com/
   2. mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com
   3. mailto:peter.l...@gmail.com
   4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   5. mailto:peter.l...@gmail.com
   6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: New music

[Roman Turovsky]

well, IMO there are grounds for cautious optimism in regard to new lute 
music:
first - quite a number of people have composed for lute intermittently, 
and some are  composing actively.

second - new lute music does get played, and even better: recorded.
third: Yours truly has two CD's on Amazon (and a lot of digital 
outlets), recorded by Chris Wilke, and Massimo Marchese,

both are world-class players:
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps=%22roman+turovsky%22=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3A%22roman+turovsky%22
RT



On 12/21/2017 5:12 PM, Christopher Stetson wrote:

Hello all.
An interesting question, Peter, thanks for bringing it up.   To answer
honestly and personally, I'm not especially interested in new music,
per se, for any of the instruments I play (mainly lute, guitar,
mandolin, but some others too).   I couldn't really say why, except
that the music I've looked at from the last 30 years tends, and I mean
tends, to be difficult and not especially tuneful to my ear.   There
are exceptions, of course, and I play some of those, though mostly on
guitar.   I'm not a professional, so I tend to be fairly conservstive
in the music I choose to spend time seeking out and playing.   I also
don't play many of the old compositions that fit the above criteria.
I fully realize. however,   that one person's difficult is another
person's interesting, and I'm really glad that people are writing new
music for lute.
Best to all, and keep playing,
Chris.

On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Peter Martin <[1]peter.l...@gmail.com>
wrote:

 Hello all,
 I recently bought a Wigmore Hall Live CD of a 2013 concert by
 countertenor Iestyn Davies and lutenist Thomas Dunford.It
  included
 the world premiere performance of a substantial piece by Nico
  Muhly
 called Old Bones.Up to now, I'd never heard of it, which
  surprised
 me because Muhly is a very successful young American composer.
   His
 new opera Marnie has just premiered at English National Opera,
  and his
 previous opera Two Boys was given at ENO and at the Met in New
  York.
 The score of Old Bones is available from Music Sales.Yet I
  can't see
 that the lute world has paid the slightest attention to it.
 Which sets me wondering, not about Muhly as such, but about new
  music
 generally.With the honourable exception of Jacob Heringman,
  scarcely
 anyone plays it.Any thoughts on why this is?Are we simply
  not
 interested in new music?
 Peter
 --
  To get on or off this list see list information at
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2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: New music

[Christopher Stetson]

   Hello all.
   An interesting question, Peter, thanks for bringing it up.   To answer
   honestly and personally, I'm not especially interested in new music,
   per se, for any of the instruments I play (mainly lute, guitar,
   mandolin, but some others too).   I couldn't really say why, except
   that the music I've looked at from the last 30 years tends, and I mean
   tends, to be difficult and not especially tuneful to my ear.   There
   are exceptions, of course, and I play some of those, though mostly on
   guitar.   I'm not a professional, so I tend to be fairly conservstive
   in the music I choose to spend time seeking out and playing.   I also
   don't play many of the old compositions that fit the above criteria.
   I fully realize. however,   that one person's difficult is another
   person's interesting, and I'm really glad that people are writing new
   music for lute.
   Best to all, and keep playing,
   Chris.

   On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Peter Martin <[1]peter.l...@gmail.com>
   wrote:

Hello all,
I recently bought a Wigmore Hall Live CD of a 2013 concert by
countertenor Iestyn Davies and lutenist Thomas Dunford.It
 included
the world premiere performance of a substantial piece by Nico
 Muhly
called Old Bones.Up to now, I'd never heard of it, which
 surprised
me because Muhly is a very successful young American composer.
  His
new opera Marnie has just premiered at English National Opera,
 and his
previous opera Two Boys was given at ENO and at the Met in New
 York.
The score of Old Bones is available from Music Sales.Yet I
 can't see
that the lute world has paid the slightest attention to it.
Which sets me wondering, not about Muhly as such, but about new
 music
generally.With the honourable exception of Jacob Heringman,
 scarcely
anyone plays it.Any thoughts on why this is?Are we simply
 not
interested in new music?
Peter
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

[sterling price]

I have started a suite in c# minor for baroque lute. I am just finishing up the 
allemande. I also have a complete G major suite.
Sterling



- Original Message 
From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net
To: Stephan Olbertz stephan.olbe...@web.de; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 6:17:01 AM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

No one mentioned Earl Christy's own music, it is quite serious - what little 
I heard, but it is purely histocist too,
so it is not for Arto.
RT


- Original Message - 
From: Stephan Olbertz stephan.olbe...@web.de
To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 3:03 AM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?


 http://www.modernlutemusic.com/

 I don't remember if there is something for d-minor lute on this site, but 
 interesting anyway.

 There is a german guy who writes beautiful resonant modern music with 
 voice, maybe also solo. I once heard a CD but forgot the name. Maybe 
 someone knows?

 Best regards,

 Stephan


 Am 09.10.2010, 01:04 Uhr, schrieb wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi:

 Dear d-minor gang,

 just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning?

 This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new
 baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the
 ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry
 Roman).

 So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive
 without new and clever music composed?

 I guess not.

 Arto



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

[sterling price]

I wrote to Gerlach a few years ago about his music for baroque lute but I never 
got a response. Does anyone know if it is available anywhere?


Sterling



- Original Message 
From: Thomas Schall lauten...@lautenist.de
To: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 
baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 5:34:05 AM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

  Hi Arto,

I enjoyed playing Stefan's music.
I especially enjoyed the choral-settings, the Bellmann-Suites and some 
of his studies.

There are also few pieces by Meinhardt Gerlach and Rüdiger Giess for 
Baroque Lute - Meinhardt mainly composed songs but the one or other 
piece for solo baroque lute, too.
Rüdiger's Music isn't widely available. I published some of his works as 
supplement to the Info of the german lute society. I don't know if they 
would have any spare copies. I really enjoyed his music because he makes 
the lute sound - if you know what I mean.

Best wishes
Thomas


Am 09.10.2010 01:28, schrieb wikla:
 Thanks Sterling!

 You have played Stefan's music? Interesting. How did you like it?

 Someone done that? How did it work?

 Arto

 On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 16:11:24 -0700 (PDT), sterling price
 spiffys84...@yahoo.com  wrote:
 There is the fine music of Stefan Lundgren for baroque lute written in a
 modern
 style.

 Sterling



 - Original Message 
 From: wiklawi...@cs.helsinki.fi
 To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:04:51 PM
 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New music to d-minor tuning?

 Dear d-minor gang,

 just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning?

 This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new
 baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the
 ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry
 Roman).

 So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive
 without new and clever music composed?

 I guess not.

 Arto



 To get on or off this list see list information at
 http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html




  

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

[Roman Turovsky]

I want to see it all.
RT


- Original Message - 
From: sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com
To: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net; Stephan Olbertz 
stephan.olbe...@web.de; baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu

Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 3:16 AM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?


I have started a suite in c# minor for baroque lute. I am just finishing up 
the

allemande. I also have a complete G major suite.
Sterling



- Original Message 
From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net
To: Stephan Olbertz stephan.olbe...@web.de; baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 6:17:01 AM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

No one mentioned Earl Christy's own music, it is quite serious - what little
I heard, but it is purely histocist too,
so it is not for Arto.
RT


- Original Message - 
From: Stephan Olbertz stephan.olbe...@web.de

To: baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 3:03 AM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?



http://www.modernlutemusic.com/

I don't remember if there is something for d-minor lute on this site, but
interesting anyway.

There is a german guy who writes beautiful resonant modern music with
voice, maybe also solo. I once heard a CD but forgot the name. Maybe
someone knows?

Best regards,

Stephan


Am 09.10.2010, 01:04 Uhr, schrieb wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi:


Dear d-minor gang,

just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning?

This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new
baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the
ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry
Roman).

So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive
without new and clever music composed?

I guess not.

Arto



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http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html




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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

[Stephan Olbertz]

http://www.modernlutemusic.com/

I don't remember if there is something for d-minor lute on this site, but  
interesting anyway.


There is a german guy who writes beautiful resonant modern music with  
voice, maybe also solo. I once heard a CD but forgot the name. Maybe  
someone knows?


Best regards,

Stephan


Am 09.10.2010, 01:04 Uhr, schrieb wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi:


Dear d-minor gang,

just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning?

This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new
baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the
ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry
Roman).

So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive
without new and clever music composed?

I guess not.

Arto



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

[Bernd Haegemann]

Hi Stephan, dear all,




http://www.modernlutemusic.com/




I don't remember if there is something for d-minor lute on this site, but  interesting 
anyway.


There is for example

http://www.modernlutemusic.com/AMORIC__MICHEL.html

some pieces for the dm-lute
even with a tablature of Blancrocher XXI, unfortunately without the related Hupfauf 
Blancmanger XVII ;)

I have the whole CD! Doesn't rock at first listening :)

**

What about the pieces by Toyohiko Satoh, dear David?
He knows the idiom for sure, and I believe he also has something to say, 
musically.

best regards
Bernd




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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

[Bernd Haegemann]

OT (ren. lute tuning)


At the address Stephan told us, there is a subpage concerning a certain

LORIS OHANNES CHOBANIAN

who wrote a piece named

Dowland in Armenia



In order to justify writing a composition with Armenian sounding melodies for 
the English
Renaissance lute Chobanian made up the story that supposedly the English 
Renaissance
composer John Dowland traveled to Armenia in1623 and was at the court of King 
Abkar of
Armenia where he must have written this composition.

Lutenist Paul O'Dette premiered Dowland in Armenia at the 1984 Toronto 
International Guitar
Festival. The program notes unintentionally omitted the word imaginary form 
the made-up
program. As a result considerable confusion was created with scholars writing 
the composer
to find out about Dowland's supposed travel to Armenia. 


hehehe...

You can listen to the piece on that website. I find it lovely.


B.






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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

[Thomas Schall]

 Hi Arto,

I enjoyed playing Stefan's music.
I especially enjoyed the choral-settings, the Bellmann-Suites and some 
of his studies.


There are also few pieces by Meinhardt Gerlach and Rüdiger Giess for 
Baroque Lute - Meinhardt mainly composed songs but the one or other 
piece for solo baroque lute, too.
Rüdiger's Music isn't widely available. I published some of his works as 
supplement to the Info of the german lute society. I don't know if they 
would have any spare copies. I really enjoyed his music because he makes 
the lute sound - if you know what I mean.


Best wishes
Thomas


Am 09.10.2010 01:28, schrieb wikla:

Thanks Sterling!

You have played Stefan's music? Interesting. How did you like it?

Someone done that? How did it work?

Arto

On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 16:11:24 -0700 (PDT), sterling price
spiffys84...@yahoo.com  wrote:

There is the fine music of Stefan Lundgren for baroque lute written in a
modern
style.

Sterling



- Original Message 
From: wiklawi...@cs.helsinki.fi
To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:04:51 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New music to d-minor tuning?

Dear d-minor gang,

just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning?

This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new
baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the
ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry
Roman).

So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive
without new and clever music composed?

I guess not.

Arto



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

[Roman Turovsky]

Meinhardt Gerlach had a page with recordings of his songs (with his wife?) 
at some point.

But it disappeared from the ether. I remember liking one of them a lot.
RT


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From: Thomas Schall lauten...@lautenist.de

To: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 7:34 AM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?


 Hi Arto,

I enjoyed playing Stefan's music.
I especially enjoyed the choral-settings, the Bellmann-Suites and some
of his studies.

There are also few pieces by Meinhardt Gerlach and Rüdiger Giess for
Baroque Lute - Meinhardt mainly composed songs but the one or other
piece for solo baroque lute, too.
Rüdiger's Music isn't widely available. I published some of his works as
supplement to the Info of the german lute society. I don't know if they
would have any spare copies. I really enjoyed his music because he makes
the lute sound - if you know what I mean.

Best wishes
Thomas


Am 09.10.2010 01:28, schrieb wikla:

Thanks Sterling!

You have played Stefan's music? Interesting. How did you like it?

Someone done that? How did it work?

Arto

On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 16:11:24 -0700 (PDT), sterling price
spiffys84...@yahoo.com  wrote:

There is the fine music of Stefan Lundgren for baroque lute written in a
modern
style.

Sterling



- Original Message 
From: wiklawi...@cs.helsinki.fi
To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:04:51 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New music to d-minor tuning?

Dear d-minor gang,

just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning?

This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new
baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the
ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry
Roman).

So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive
without new and clever music composed?

I guess not.

Arto



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

[Thomas Schall]

 You surely mean Meinhardt Gerlach.

best wishes
Thomas

Am 09.10.2010 09:03, schrieb Stephan Olbertz:

http://www.modernlutemusic.com/

I don't remember if there is something for d-minor lute on this site, 
but interesting anyway.


There is a german guy who writes beautiful resonant modern music with 
voice, maybe also solo. I once heard a CD but forgot the name. Maybe 
someone knows?


Best regards,

Stephan


Am 09.10.2010, 01:04 Uhr, schrieb wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi:


Dear d-minor gang,

just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning?

This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing 
new

baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the
ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry
Roman).

So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive
without new and clever music composed?

I guess not.

Arto



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

[Jerzy Zak]

Unfortunately, modern music needs playing on the highest level, including a 
well tuned instrument.
I'm wonderig if, besides of the superstition of the tablature, the double 
stringing of the lute isn't another obstacle in activating a lute to do what 
cpmposer/performer wants to do. Notice that a single strung theorbo survives in 
company with other instruments, whereas double strung lute has problems.

Besides, the d-m tuning has great and still unexplored potency, against Peter 
Croton's reluctance to it
http://www.peter-croton.com/Bach_CD.html
and especially Paolo Cherici's view on its usebility
http://www.preludiomusic.com/doc/news/allegati/13-bach-visione.pdf

J
-

On 2010-10-09, at 12:57, Bernd Haegemann wrote:

 Hi Stephan, dear all,
 http://www.modernlutemusic.com/
 I don't remember if there is something for d-minor lute on this site, but  
 interesting anyway.
 There is for example
 
 http://www.modernlutemusic.com/AMORIC__MICHEL.html
 
 some pieces for the dm-lute
 even with a tablature of Blancrocher XXI, unfortunately without the related 
 Hupfauf Blancmanger XVII ;)
 I have the whole CD! Doesn't rock at first listening :)
 
 **
 
 What about the pieces by Toyohiko Satoh, dear David?
 He knows the idiom for sure, and I believe he also has something to say, 
 musically.
 
 best regards
 Bernd
 
 
 
 
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

[Roman Turovsky]

Yes, there is - mine, natürlish. But it is in Ukrainian, and as such - of 
very limited appeal.

RT

- Original Message - 
From: Stephan Olbertz stephan.olbe...@web.de

http://www.modernlutemusic.com/
I don't remember if there is something for d-minor lute on this site, but 
interesting anyway.

Stephan




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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

[Roman Turovsky]

Indeed - double stringing precludes most avantgardist mannerisms.
But the d-minor lute should be adaptable to some form of (post)minimalism.
RT

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From: Jerzy Zak jurek...@gmail.com

To: Baroque Lute List (E-mail) baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 7:43 AM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?


Unfortunately, modern music needs playing on the highest level, including 
a well tuned instrument.
I'm wonderig if, besides of the superstition of the tablature, the double 
stringing of the lute isn't another obstacle in activating a lute to do 
what cpmposer/performer wants to do. Notice that a single strung theorbo 
survives in company with other instruments, whereas double strung lute has 
problems.


Besides, the d-m tuning has great and still unexplored potency, against 
Peter Croton's reluctance to it

http://www.peter-croton.com/Bach_CD.html
and especially Paolo Cherici's view on its usebility
http://www.preludiomusic.com/doc/news/allegati/13-bach-visione.pdf

J
-

On 2010-10-09, at 12:57, Bernd Haegemann wrote:


Hi Stephan, dear all,

http://www.modernlutemusic.com/
I don't remember if there is something for d-minor lute on this site, 
but  interesting anyway.

There is for example

http://www.modernlutemusic.com/AMORIC__MICHEL.html

some pieces for the dm-lute
even with a tablature of Blancrocher XXI, unfortunately without the 
related Hupfauf Blancmanger XVII ;)

I have the whole CD! Doesn't rock at first listening :)

**

What about the pieces by Toyohiko Satoh, dear David?
He knows the idiom for sure, and I believe he also has something to say, 
musically.


best regards
Bernd




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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

[Roman Turovsky]

No one mentioned Earl Christy's own music, it is quite serious - what little 
I heard, but it is purely histocist too,

so it is not for Arto.
RT


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From: Stephan Olbertz stephan.olbe...@web.de

To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 3:03 AM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?



http://www.modernlutemusic.com/

I don't remember if there is something for d-minor lute on this site, but 
interesting anyway.


There is a german guy who writes beautiful resonant modern music with 
voice, maybe also solo. I once heard a CD but forgot the name. Maybe 
someone knows?


Best regards,

Stephan


Am 09.10.2010, 01:04 Uhr, schrieb wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi:


Dear d-minor gang,

just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning?

This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new
baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the
ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry
Roman).

So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive
without new and clever music composed?

I guess not.

Arto



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

[wikla]

Hi all, 

definitely my intention was not to insult Roman! I think Roman knows that,
but perhaps not all other? I do know only a tiny portion of Roman's huge
output, but still I have seen many beautiful pieces he has composed or
arranged. And they also work well on the instrument.

My aim was more general: Should there be new music for our old instrument,
what kind of music, ... I was not especially asking for modern music in
the sense of 1950's and 1960's trends. Not at all. Neither was I asking for
music that doesn't stylistically differ from the original baroque.

Actually it is quite difficult to say, what I asked, because I really do
not know! If I could, that music wouldn't be new! So I guess best I can
say, I would like composers to try their hands in writing to the baroque
lute. Without me saying what kind of music that should be. Well, of course
I can say: it should be good music... ;-)

All the best,

Arto



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

[Jerzy Zak]

Arto,

Better not wait until a miracle will happen. The easiest way, and widely 
accepted now, to have a new piece of music is to commision it. It's not that 
expensive as one might think. From time to time I hear of a colegue of mine 
that is asking a professional composer, or a music festival commisiong a new 
work for the next edition. I've heared in Germany there is a special fund for 
this kind of initiatives at the Deutscher Musikrat.

Of course it is risky, but that only encourages one to gain better orientation 
in what's possible. Most of the composers don't present Beethoven's like 
attitude and are open to one's expectations. However, they like to take care of 
the future presentation and also do not like to risk a poor performance. So it 
is in a way a subtle interplay between parties, nevertheless quite real and 
brings fruits from time to time, of what I was witness not once.

If I remember well, Julian Bream in his Way on the road recounts he used to 
pay for a new composition a tipical monthly salary, if -- say -- the process of 
composition would take a month of time. My friends are paying even less to 
their friends. It all amounts to profesionalism and good will.

I should also say Scandinavia is famous for its traditions for modern music. 
Perhaps Jacob Lindberg or Rolf Lislevand has some experience.

J


On 2010-10-09, at 15:17, wikla wrote:

 Hi all, 
 
 definitely my intention was not to insult Roman! I think Roman knows that,
 but perhaps not all other? I do know only a tiny portion of Roman's huge
 output, but still I have seen many beautiful pieces he has composed or
 arranged. And they also work well on the instrument.
 
 My aim was more general: Should there be new music for our old instrument,
 what kind of music, ... I was not especially asking for modern music in
 the sense of 1950's and 1960's trends. Not at all. Neither was I asking for
 music that doesn't stylistically differ from the original baroque.
 
 Actually it is quite difficult to say, what I asked, because I really do
 not know! If I could, that music wouldn't be new! So I guess best I can
 say, I would like composers to try their hands in writing to the baroque
 lute. Without me saying what kind of music that should be. Well, of course
 I can say: it should be good music... ;-)
 
 All the best,
 
 Arto
 
 
 
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

[Stephan Olbertz]

Yes, and this is the CD:

http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/dsmg

Best regards,

Stephan

Am 09.10.2010, 13:41 Uhr, schrieb Thomas Schall lauten...@lautenist.de:


  You surely mean Meinhardt Gerlach.

best wishes
Thomas

Am 09.10.2010 09:03, schrieb Stephan Olbertz:

http://www.modernlutemusic.com/

I don't remember if there is something for d-minor lute on this site,  
but interesting anyway.


There is a german guy who writes beautiful resonant modern music with  
voice, maybe also solo. I once heard a CD but forgot the name. Maybe  
someone knows?


Best regards,

Stephan


Am 09.10.2010, 01:04 Uhr, schrieb wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi:


Dear d-minor gang,

just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning?

This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing  
new

baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the
ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry
Roman).

So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive
without new and clever music composed?

I guess not.

Arto



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

[Roman Turovsky]

Arto, 
here's a little exercise in 5/4, for you personally -

http://turovsky.org/music/KS.pdf
http://turovsky.org/music/KS.mp3
RT



- Original Message - 
From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi

To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 7:04 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New music to d-minor tuning?



Dear d-minor gang,

just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? 


This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new
baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the
ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry
Roman).

So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive
without new and clever music composed? 


I guess not.

Arto



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

[wikla]

Thanks Roman, 

that is nice version of the perhaps most well known old Finnish folk
melody. 

Years ago I played with two very good Finnish folk masters, Heikki Laitinen
and Hannu Saha. They played kantele and I played renaissance guitar. We
improvised on different Finnish folk melodies. The pieces sometimes became
long, sometimes shorter, but always different. Those guys are so good that
they also could take me with them to the interesting world of improvisation
- they could make me feel that I can do something there, by reacting very
fast to everything I did. The music, the pieces, became some kind of
kantele minimalism.

I found some old videos by Hannu in the y-tube. The first is quite simple
version of the same that you made, the second one is wilder:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlO2kOiE0mg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPqvXCcdz3o

And a newer one, a kantele duo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnslDX3HtsMfeature=related

Today the old Finnish folk music is living well. And their key words are
improvisation, improvisation and improvisation.

Arto

On Sat, 09 Oct 2010 13:49:06 -0400, Roman Turovsky
r.turov...@verizon.net wrote:
 Arto, 
 here's a little exercise in 5/4, for you personally -
 http://turovsky.org/music/KS.pdf
 http://turovsky.org/music/KS.mp3
 RT
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
 To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 7:04 PM
 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New music to d-minor tuning?
 
 
 Dear d-minor gang,
 
 just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? 
 
 This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing
new
 baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the
 ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry
 Roman).
 
 So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive
 without new and clever music composed? 
 
 I guess not.
 
 Arto
 
 
 
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 http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

[Roman Turovsky]

Stefan's music is very good in fact, and thoroughly modern.
I'd add to that a distinction that it is MODERNIST, but NOT CONTEMPORARY
in style and character. His non-lutenistic works are far more contemporary 
in character.


The actual contemporary idiom is either eschewing all notion of discernible 
pitch and rhythm
(and thus utterly unsuitable for our instruments), or post-Minimalist (like 
that Russian woman

composer in Australia who wrote for theorbo, her name escapes me).
RT





- Original Message - 
From: sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com

To: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 7:11 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?


There is the fine music of Stefan Lundgren for baroque lute written in a 
modern

style.

Sterling



- Original Message 
From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:04:51 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New music to d-minor tuning?

Dear d-minor gang,

just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning?

This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new
baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the
ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry
Roman).

So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive
without new and clever music composed?

I guess not.

Arto



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

[Roman Turovsky]

From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi

just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning?

Not really. Very little. Check Peter Croton's site for new vocal music
with lutes.
I recall some nice M.Gerlach songs.


This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new
baroque music (really sorry Roman!),

Roman is sorry.
BTW, the neobaroque composers' association has a forum on Facebook.
Much recommended, especially since there are now live performances of
such music once in a while:
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/Vox-Saeculorum/149488781750742


neither I am interested in the
ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry
Roman).
Roman is really sorry, because he thinks that ethnocentric music has the 
future.




So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive
without new and clever music composed?
I don't know about clever, but it definitely won't survive without 
BEAUTIFUL music newly composed

for it.
RT




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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

[Roman Turovsky]

Arto,
Do you REALLY want lute music to sound like
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhXNIrQJR80 this???

RT


From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi

Dear d-minor gang,
just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? 
This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new

baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the
ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry
Roman).

So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive
without new and clever music composed? 


I guess not.

Arto




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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

[Jerzy Zak]

The actual contemporary idiom or academic idiom predominates on best 
contemporary music festivals and specialized record labels. But not all 
interesting composers feel bound to it and some of them aren't eschewing pitch 
and rhytm notation, nither are post-Minimalists. But it is extremaly hard to 
write good and well sounding music for lute, or in fact any plucked instrument, 
without skills of actualy playing it… But I'm optimistic, incuding the d-m 
genus. Just let's forget about the tablature and we'll get out of the getto.

J
-

On 2010-10-09, at 01:41, Roman Turovsky wrote:

 Stefan's music is very good in fact, and thoroughly modern.
 I'd add to that a distinction that it is MODERNIST, but NOT CONTEMPORARY
 in style and character. His non-lutenistic works are far more contemporary in 
 character.
 
 The actual contemporary idiom is either eschewing all notion of discernible 
 pitch and rhythm
 (and thus utterly unsuitable for our instruments), or post-Minimalist (like 
 that Russian woman
 composer in Australia who wrote for theorbo, her name escapes me).
 RT
 
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message - From: sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com
 To: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 7:11 PM
 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
 
 
 There is the fine music of Stefan Lundgren for baroque lute written in a 
 modern
 style.
 
 Sterling
 
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
 To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:04:51 PM
 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New music to d-minor tuning?
 
 Dear d-minor gang,
 
 just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning?
 
 This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new
 baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the
 ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry
 Roman).
 
 So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive
 without new and clever music composed?
 
 I guess not.
 
 Arto
 
 
 
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

[Jerzy Zak]

Let's not fall into extremities. There are other humans making music as well:
http://www.nina.gov.pl/en/node/487  -- 19 minutes

Or a short retrospection of Szymanski's music:
http://www.nina.gov.pl/szymanski-dvd-1-plytowe

The text on the pages is not important.
J
-


On 2010-10-09, at 02:24, Roman Turovsky wrote:

 Arto,
 Do you REALLY want lute music to sound like
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhXNIrQJR80 this???
 
 RT
 
 
 From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
 Dear d-minor gang,
 just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? This 
 time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new
 baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the
 ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry
 Roman).
 So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive
 without new and clever music composed? I guess not.
 Arto
 
 
 
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 http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

[Roman Turovsky]

I like this A LOT.
However it is quite post-minimalist.
RT


- Original Message - 
From: Jerzy Zak jurek...@gmail.com

To: Baroque Lute List (E-mail) baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 8:48 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?


Let's not fall into extremities. There are other humans making music as 
well:

http://www.nina.gov.pl/en/node/487  -- 19 minutes

Or a short retrospection of Szymanski's music:
http://www.nina.gov.pl/szymanski-dvd-1-plytowe

The text on the pages is not important.
J
-


On 2010-10-09, at 02:24, Roman Turovsky wrote:


Arto,
Do you REALLY want lute music to sound like
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhXNIrQJR80 this???

RT


From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi

Dear d-minor gang,
just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning? 
This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing 
new

baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the
ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry
Roman).
So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive
without new and clever music composed? I guess not.
Arto




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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

[Roman Turovsky]

meant conCeptualist.
RT
- Original Message - 
From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net
To: Baroque Lute List (E-mail) baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Jerzy 
Zak jurek...@gmail.com

Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?



I'm not sure isolation is negative in our case.
I've had many conversations about our instrument with Hans Kockelmans,
who is an avantgarde composer AND a lutenist. He would never mix the two
together, and he said something with which I wholeheartedly agree:
lute in general, and baroque lute in particular simply doesn't tolerate 
modernist
music, the reasons for which are mysterious, but very likely stemming from 
its acoustical

nature.
As to tabulature: it really saves the lute from a lot of conseptualist 
fecalia bovina

that afflicts other instruments.
RT



- Original Message - 
From: Jerzy Zak jurek...@gmail.com

To: Baroque Lute List (E-mail) baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 8:39 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?


The actual contemporary idiom or academic idiom predominates on best 
contemporary music festivals and specialized record labels. But not all 
interesting composers feel bound to it and some of them aren't eschewing 
pitch and rhytm notation, nither are post-Minimalists. But it is 
extremaly hard to write good and well sounding music for lute, or in fact 
any plucked instrument, without skills of actualy playing it… But I'm 
optimistic, incuding the d-m genus. Just let's forget about the tablature 
and we'll get out of the getto.


J
-

On 2010-10-09, at 01:41, Roman Turovsky wrote:


Stefan's music is very good in fact, and thoroughly modern.
I'd add to that a distinction that it is MODERNIST, but NOT CONTEMPORARY
in style and character. His non-lutenistic works are far more 
contemporary in character.


The actual contemporary idiom is either eschewing all notion of 
discernible pitch and rhythm
(and thus utterly unsuitable for our instruments), or post-Minimalist 
(like that Russian woman

composer in Australia who wrote for theorbo, her name escapes me).
RT





- Original Message - From: sterling price 
spiffys84...@yahoo.com

To: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 7:11 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?


There is the fine music of Stefan Lundgren for baroque lute written in 
a modern

style.

Sterling



- Original Message 
From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:04:51 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New music to d-minor tuning?

Dear d-minor gang,

just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning?

This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing 
new

baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the
ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry
Roman).

So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive
without new and clever music composed?

I guess not.

Arto



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

[Roman Turovsky]

Andre Burguete writes ambitious lute music in notation, taking baroque idiom 
in the Chopin-esque direction.

RT

From: Jerzy Zak jurek...@gmail.com
The actual contemporary idiom or academic idiom predominates on best 
contemporary music festivals and specialized record labels. But not all 
interesting composers feel bound to it and some of them aren't eschewing 
pitch and rhytm notation, nither are post-Minimalists. But it is extremaly 
hard to write good and well sounding music for lute, or in fact any 
plucked instrument, without skills of actualy playing it… But I'm 
optimistic, incuding the d-m genus. Just let's forget about the tablature 
and we'll get out of the getto.


J
-

On 2010-10-09, at 01:41, Roman Turovsky wrote:


Stefan's music is very good in fact, and thoroughly modern.
I'd add to that a distinction that it is MODERNIST, but NOT CONTEMPORARY
in style and character. His non-lutenistic works are far more 
contemporary in character.


The actual contemporary idiom is either eschewing all notion of 
discernible pitch and rhythm
(and thus utterly unsuitable for our instruments), or post-Minimalist 
(like that Russian woman

composer in Australia who wrote for theorbo, her name escapes me).
RT





- Original Message - From: sterling price 
spiffys84...@yahoo.com

To: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 7:11 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?


There is the fine music of Stefan Lundgren for baroque lute written in a 
modern

style.

Sterling



- Original Message 
From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:04:51 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New music to d-minor tuning?

Dear d-minor gang,

just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning?

This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing 
new

baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the
ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry
Roman).

So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive
without new and clever music composed?

I guess not.

Arto



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http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

[Jerzy Zak]

Roman,

Creation without possibility of beeing evaluated and criticized is sentenced to 
dye. How many people new tablature notation in 1750 and could write for lute? 
-- few; how many professional composers know tab. notation today? -- ?? Wake up 
from your sweet dreams and mysteries of lute's disability …or by her a new 
crutch.

Your virtuoso minimalist judgements make impression, but can be easily used in 
oposit direction, so I ignore them. However other instruments are doing quite 
well despite being immerse in the fecalia bovina -- I'd love to live in their 
stinky situation and have their choice of styles and composers.

Chopin-esque harmony is truly matchless and probably timeless, I'd love to get 
to know Andre Burguete ambitious lute music -- where to find it?

Much more can be said, but on this side it's long after time to bad ;-)
J



On 2010-10-09, at 03:20, Roman Turovsky wrote:

 I'm not sure isolation is negative in our case.
 I've had many conversations about our instrument with Hans Kockelmans,
 who is an avantgarde composer AND a lutenist. He would never mix the two
 together, and he said something with which I wholeheartedly agree:
 lute in general, and baroque lute in particular simply doesn't tolerate 
 modernist
 music, the reasons for which are mysterious, but very likely stemming from 
 its acoustical
 nature.
 As to tabulature: it really saves the lute from a lot of conseptualist 
 fecalia bovina
 that afflicts other instruments.
 RT
 
 
 
 - Original Message - From: Jerzy Zak jurek...@gmail.com
 To: Baroque Lute List (E-mail) baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 8:39 PM
 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
 
 
 The actual contemporary idiom or academic idiom predominates on best 
 contemporary music festivals and specialized record labels. But not all 
 interesting composers feel bound to it and some of them aren't eschewing 
 pitch and rhytm notation, nither are post-Minimalists. But it is extremaly 
 hard to write good and well sounding music for lute, or in fact any plucked 
 instrument, without skills of actualy playing it… But I'm optimistic, 
 incuding the d-m genus. Just let's forget about the tablature and we'll get 
 out of the getto.
 
 J
 -
 
 On 2010-10-09, at 01:41, Roman Turovsky wrote:
 
 Stefan's music is very good in fact, and thoroughly modern.
 I'd add to that a distinction that it is MODERNIST, but NOT CONTEMPORARY
 in style and character. His non-lutenistic works are far more contemporary 
 in character.
 
 The actual contemporary idiom is either eschewing all notion of discernible 
 pitch and rhythm
 (and thus utterly unsuitable for our instruments), or post-Minimalist (like 
 that Russian woman
 composer in Australia who wrote for theorbo, her name escapes me).
 RT
 
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message - From: sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com
 To: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 7:11 PM
 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?
 
 
 There is the fine music of Stefan Lundgren for baroque lute written in a 
 modern
 style.
 
 Sterling
 
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
 To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:04:51 PM
 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New music to d-minor tuning?
 
 Dear d-minor gang,
 
 just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning?
 
 This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing new
 baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the
 ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, sorry
 Roman).
 
 So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive
 without new and clever music composed?
 
 I guess not.
 
 Arto
 
 
 
 To get on or off this list see list information at
 http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

[Roman Turovsky]

From: Jerzy Zak jurek...@gmail.com

Roman,
Creation without possibility of beeing evaluated and criticized is 
sentenced to die. How many people knew tablature
notation in 1750 and could write for lute? -- few; how many professional 
composers know tab. notation today? -- ?? Wake up  from your sweet dreams 
and mysteries of lute's disability …or by her a new crutch.
Today's composers are impeded not by tabulature, but by the total lack of 
interest in lutes, as the latter are acoustically totally foreign to 
avantgarde musical sensibility.

Do you really want you lute to be subjected to extended techniques?
I don't find lute's limitations to be a disability. Rather its asceticism is 
its strength.


Your virtuoso minimalist judgements make impression, but can be easily 
used in oposit direction, so I ignore them. However  other instruments 
are doing quite well despite being immerse in the fecalia bovina -- I'd 
love to live in their stinky situation  and have their choice of styles 
and composers.
Why don't you call up Pawel Szymanski and ask him to write something? Then 
you'd know for sure whether your lute would survive the experience.


Chopin-esque harmony is truly matchless and probably timeless, I'd love to 
get to know Andre Burguete ambitious lute music  -- where to find it?

He keeps it close to his vest


Much more can be said, but on this side it's long after time to bad ;-)
J

Dobranich.
RT



On 2010-10-09, at 03:20, Roman Turovsky wrote:


I'm not sure isolation is negative in our case.
I've had many conversations about our instrument with Hans Kockelmans,
who is an avantgarde composer AND a lutenist. He would never mix the two
together, and he said something with which I wholeheartedly agree:
lute in general, and baroque lute in particular simply doesn't tolerate 
modernist
music, the reasons for which are mysterious, but very likely stemming 
from its acoustical

nature.
As to tabulature: it really saves the lute from a lot of conseptualist 
fecalia bovina

that afflicts other instruments.
RT



- Original Message - From: Jerzy Zak jurek...@gmail.com
To: Baroque Lute List (E-mail) baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 8:39 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?


The actual contemporary idiom or academic idiom predominates on best 
contemporary music festivals and specialized record labels. But not all 
interesting composers feel bound to it and some of them aren't eschewing 
pitch and rhytm notation, nither are post-Minimalists. But it is 
extremaly hard to write good and well sounding music for lute, or in 
fact any plucked instrument, without skills of actualy playing it… But 
I'm optimistic, incuding the d-m genus. Just let's forget about the 
tablature and we'll get out of the getto.


J
-

On 2010-10-09, at 01:41, Roman Turovsky wrote:


Stefan's music is very good in fact, and thoroughly modern.
I'd add to that a distinction that it is MODERNIST, but NOT 
CONTEMPORARY
in style and character. His non-lutenistic works are far more 
contemporary in character.


The actual contemporary idiom is either eschewing all notion of 
discernible pitch and rhythm
(and thus utterly unsuitable for our instruments), or post-Minimalist 
(like that Russian woman

composer in Australia who wrote for theorbo, her name escapes me).
RT





- Original Message - From: sterling price 
spiffys84...@yahoo.com

To: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 7:11 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?


There is the fine music of Stefan Lundgren for baroque lute written in 
a modern

style.

Sterling



- Original Message 
From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 5:04:51 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New music to d-minor tuning?

Dear d-minor gang,

just for checking: is there any new music to the d-m-baroque tuning?

This time I am not interested the anchronistic movement of composing 
new

baroque music (really sorry Roman!), neither I am interested in the
ethninic arrangements of (perhaps?) imagined folk songs (again, 
sorry

Roman).

So, is that wonderful instrument we adore (=tuning) going to survive
without new and clever music composed?

I guess not.

Arto



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New music to d-minor tuning?

[Don Druick]

   Toru Takemitsu wrote two chamber works using the lute almost 50 years
   ago - RING for flute, terz guitar and lute 1961 and SACRIFICE, for alto
   flute, lute, vibraphone a year later.  The lute parts are in notation
   and neither instrument is tuned in Dm

   DD

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