Re: [MBZ] HELP--MASSIVE OIL LEAK

[John Reames]

I'd guess maybe an upper oil cooler hose... Likely weakened/notched  
near the p/s pump pulley due to a DPO using an American (too long)  
belt...


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On Jan 24, 2010, at 19:29, Dan Weeks theprofil...@dwx.com wrote:

82 300SD with previously low oil consumption (1 qt every 2500 miles  
or so), but the usual leaks and drips. 325k miles. Today on a short  
trip noticed the OP gauge occasionally dip off the top peg  
momentarily, then go back up. This happened several times over the  
course of 10 miles or so. Noticed it, but since the drops were  
momentary and since I'd recently replaced the OP sender, didn't  
think too much of it, but did open the hood when I stopped.


Well. Oil everywhere. Seeping out around the left headlight,  
covering every surface, fan, belts, hoses, etc. in the front of the  
engine. Too oily to see a source, but seems to be coming from the  
front left of the engine. OP never went off the top peg except  
momentarily, making me think the leak is large but at least somewhat  
intermittant.  Went through 4 quarts of oil before I discovered it.  
WIll take it to my indy for a diagnosis.


Anybody want to take a guess as to what we're looking at, or have  
any advice? I'm hoping its a gasket, oil line union, or work- 
hardened, snapped, external oil line, and not a front main or  
something. Any advice or suggestions welcome. Sadie and I offer  
thanks in advance!


Dan

82 300SD 325k
Des Moines

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Re: [MBZ] Geni engine

[Mitch Haley]

Jim Cathey wrote:

Devious?  Moi?  I hid nothing, it's not my fault if she
can't tell one car from another, not even when riding in
it.  (An '86 SDL is not quite the same as a '90 SEL.)
My sin is merely one of omission, not of commission...




And how did that defense play in the Court of Jill?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] HELP--MASSIVE OIL LEAK

[Mitch Haley]

John Reames wrote:
I'd guess maybe an upper oil cooler hose... Likely weakened/notched near 
the p/s pump pulley due to a DPO using an American (too long) belt...



With my car, the hose was notched due to a failed motor mount allowing the left 
side of the engine to raise under heavy throttle.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 1984 230E

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Tom,
This one looks blue in the foggy pictures.
http://providence.craigslist.org/cto/1556815460.html
Dwight


Bissell Cove Quahog  Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852
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On Behalf Of tom tomscat
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 12:00 AM
To: mercedes diesel
Subject: [MBZ] 1984 230E


Hi Curt,

 

I run a residential facility here in CT.  I have had a car donation
fundraising program for the past several years.  A couple of years ago
someone donated a grey market 230E, cant remember if it was an 1983 or 1984.
(I am gonna check my records at work tomorrow, it may have been a 230CE.)
It was a W123 chassis, however, in need of restoration.  I only had it on
hand for a short time before selling to some gearhead immigrants from
western CT.   Since it was an unregistered vehicle, and badly in need of a
tuneup, we had  no real idea of the power and economy.  It was a neat car,
though, with a carbureted gasoline engine in the w123 chassis.

FWIW, wikipedia has some info on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W123

 

I am curious if that is the same car that Dwight saw.  The one I had was
white with a blue cloth interior.  

 
edes_okiebenz.com


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[MBZ] 1984 230E

[tom tomscat]

Hi Dieselhead,

 

I believe your info is incomplete.  My info says that engine was available in a 
carburetor version until 1990.  

 

I am now at work, more or less, and I checked my records.  The car I had (in 
March 2006) was a 1984 230CE and it was carbureted.  Last 7 digits of the VIN 
were: AO95696.   I distinctly remember the carburetor, because it backfired 
repeatedly thru the carburetor when we tried to start it, and I had to put out 
more than one minor flame-up.  Which put the Fear of God into a couple of 
casual onlookers, btw.  :)

 

It was a great little collectible car, but it needed a lot of restoration.  

 

Thanks, Dwight, for the pics.  That is definitely a different car than the one 
I briefly had custody of, from what I can tell from those lousy pics.  Mine was 
a coupe.  Sheesh, could he have taken a WORSE picture???They reminded me of 
the pics Vinny Gambini had in MY COUSIN VINNY, taken through a filthy screen.  
:)  God, I love that movie!

 

Tom Schuch

SE Connecticut

1975 W115 300D (may be going up for sale shortly to make some room)

and a bunch of BMWs (adding a 6th today)

 

Message: 2
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:25:21 -0600
From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 230E
Message-ID: a0624081dc782db88f...@[192.168.1.112]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed
 
Carb engined 123 was only in 77 and 78 according to the info I found. 
All from 79 on were einspritz
 
 
 
Hi Curt,



I run a residential facility here in CT. I have had a car donation 
fundraising program for the past several years. A couple of years 
ago someone donated a grey market 230E, cant remember if it was an 
1983 or 1984. (I am gonna check my records at work tomorrow, it may 
have been a 230CE.) It was a W123 chassis, however, in need of 
restoration. I only had it on hand for a short time before selling 
to some gearhead immigrants from western CT. Since it was an 
unregistered vehicle, and badly in need of a tuneup, we had no real 
idea of the power and economy. It was a neat car, though, with a 
carbureted gasoline engine in the w123 chassis.

FWIW, wikipedia has some info on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W123



I am curious if that is the same car that Dwight saw. The one I had 
was white with a blue cloth interior. 



Tom Schuch

1975 W115 300D

and a bunch of BMWs

(adding a Euro Baur Monday night)











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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:50:31 -0500
From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '84 230E
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

same as a 190e 2.3. maybe a tad heavier but i will get out of its own way

On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Anybody know anything about an '84 230E?
 Dwight's found one. Grey market car, 5spd (supposedly anyway) trans.

 Seller wants $1000 but says it needs ball joints (Ball joints you say?
 Sucks on teeth Jeez, that could run into money. What do you think about
 $800 for this jalopy?) but has had other front end work done already.

 What kind of mileage could one expect? How much power?

 -Curt

 
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 230E

[LWB250]

There were numerous carbureted engines in the Euro chassis models - I had a 
1984 250LWB, and it had a 2.5 liter normally aspirated engine with a single two 
barrel carb.  I can't recall the brand of carb at the moment, suffice to say 
they were known for the top covers warping and were made of unobtainium.

I put a Holley 2300 conversion on it and it ran fine.

Dan



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 From: tom tomscat tomsc...@hotmail.com
 Subject: [MBZ] 1984 230E
 To: mercedes diesel mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 7:58 AM
 
 Hi Dieselhead,
 
  
 
 I believe your info is incomplete.  My info says that
 engine was available in a carburetor version until
 1990.  
 
  
 
 I am now at work, more or less, and I checked my
 records.  The car I had (in March 2006) was a 1984
 230CE and it was carbureted.  Last 7 digits of the VIN
 were: AO95696.   I distinctly remember the
 carburetor, because it backfired repeatedly thru the
 carburetor when we tried to start it, and I had to put out
 more than one minor flame-up.  Which put the Fear of
 God into a couple of casual onlookers, btw.  :)
 
  
 
 It was a great little collectible car, but it needed a lot
 of restoration.  
 
  
 
 Thanks, Dwight, for the pics.  That is definitely a
 different car than the one I briefly had custody of, from
 what I can tell from those lousy pics.  Mine was a
 coupe.  Sheesh, could he have taken a WORSE
 picture???    They reminded me of the pics Vinny
 Gambini had in MY COUSIN VINNY, taken through a filthy
 screen.  :)  God, I love that movie!
 
  
 
 Tom Schuch
 
 SE Connecticut
 
 1975 W115 300D (may be going up for sale shortly to make
 some room)
 
 and a bunch of BMWs (adding a 6th today)
 
  
 
 Message: 2
 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:25:21 -0600
 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 230E
 Message-ID: a0624081dc782db88f...@[192.168.1.112]
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ;
 format=flowed
  
 Carb engined 123 was only in 77 and 78 according to the
 info I found. 
 All from 79 on were einspritz
  
  
  
 Hi Curt,
 
 
 
 I run a residential facility here in CT. I have had a
 car donation 
 fundraising program for the past several years. A
 couple of years 
 ago someone donated a grey market 230E, cant remember
 if it was an 
 1983 or 1984. (I am gonna check my records at work
 tomorrow, it may 
 have been a 230CE.) It was a W123 chassis, however, in
 need of 
 restoration. I only had it on hand for a short time
 before selling 
 to some gearhead immigrants from western CT. Since it
 was an 
 unregistered vehicle, and badly in need of a tuneup, we
 had no real 
 idea of the power and economy. It was a neat car,
 though, with a 
 carbureted gasoline engine in the w123 chassis.
 
 FWIW, wikipedia has some info on it:
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W123
 
 
 
 I am curious if that is the same car that Dwight saw.
 The one I had 
 was white with a blue cloth interior. 
 
 
 
 Tom Schuch
 
 1975 W115 300D
 
 and a bunch of BMWs
 
 (adding a Euro Baur Monday night)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Message: 13
 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:50:31 -0500
 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] '84 230E
 Message-ID:
 8b0e7cce1001241750k3e210b4cvde21f7400c84f...@mail.gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
 
 same as a 190e 2.3. maybe a tad heavier but i will get
 out of its own way
 
 On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  Anybody know anything about an '84 230E?
  Dwight's found one. Grey market car, 5spd
 (supposedly anyway) trans.
 
  Seller wants $1000 but says it needs ball joints
 (Ball joints you say?
  Sucks on teeth Jeez, that could run into money.
 What do you think about
  $800 for this jalopy?) but has had other front
 end work done already.
 
  What kind of mileage could one expect? How much
 power?
 
  -Curt
 
  
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Re: [MBZ] '76 300D in Michigan

[Donald Snook]

Clay wrote: But it is RED.  I am very averse to red cars because every red car 
I
have owned has tried to make me dead.  They seem to attract totaling
by insurance people after impacts with trucks.  How the hell do you
not see a red car?

I had a red car.  It was my first Mercedes a BEAUTIFUL 1971 250.  I loved that 
car.  It had the deepest, smoothest, red paint.  I did get hit in it. A girl in 
a Ford Escort rear-ended me while I was sitting at a stoplight.

That car also attracted a lot of people in general.  Everywhere I went, I would 
get stopped and asked, What is that? What year is that, and many other 
questions.   It was a great car!  I never made the connection to getting hit 
because it was red, but maybe you're right.

Her insurance company wanted to total the car.  I refused and ended up 
collecting $4000 cash from them and I fixed most of it myself, then I sold it 
to a friend who drove it for another 2 years.  Now that I think about it, he 
got hit three times in that car. One time, his neighbor backed his big 
Winnebago into the 250.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1984 230E

[Jim Cathey]

March 2006) was a 1984 230CE and it was carbureted.


That's really weird, because the E (before this whole
'class' nonsense) meant fuel-injected.  e.g. the 280 and
280E 123's, etc.  I thought the class crap began when the
flipped the letters and the numbers around.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Geni engine

[Jim Cathey]

And how did that defense play in the Court of Jill?


Been around women much?  You _know_ how it played!  :-)

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] RR of 124 combo switch

[Jim Cathey]

Yes, there are two torx screws on the back of the 124 wheel I'm
looking at, too.  Easy to remove and then what?  I'm guessing it
comes out and you can easily unplug it, set it somewhere safe, then go
about removing the actual wheel?  (I have done the latter on a
pre-airbag 107... seems to me there was just one big [and VERY tight]
nut holding the wheel on.)


Exactly.  Except it's not a nut anymore, it's a big Allen-headed
bolt.  Very easy to strip the head, in relation to the nut.  I had
to chisel one out, that was no fun.  If need be, get an extra set
of hands on there to prevent the wrench slipping and ruining the
bolt head.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 1984 230E

[Donald Snook]

Tom Schuch wrote in his signature line:

1975 W115 300D
and a bunch of BMWs

Hey! Now, I have a fellow BMW owner on this List!  Tom, what BMW's do you have?

Donald H. Snook
1997 BMW 740iL
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 230E

[Dieselhead]

My info came from Mercedesclub.de.  If the car was a 230CE, then by 
definition, it was injected when it left the factory.  Someone could 
have swapped an older engine into it, or may have installed manifold 
and carb off another engine.  Your donation car is a mystery to me.



Hi Dieselhead,



I believe your info is incomplete.  My info says that engine was 
available in a carburetor version until 1990. 




I am now at work, more or less, and I checked my records.  The car I 
had (in March 2006) was a 1984 230CE and it was carbureted.  Last 7 
digits of the VIN were: AO95696.   I distinctly remember the 
carburetor, because it backfired repeatedly thru the carburetor when 
we tried to start it, and I had to put out more than one minor 
flame-up.  Which put the Fear of God into a couple of casual 
onlookers, btw.  :)




It was a great little collectible car, but it needed a lot of restoration. 




Thanks, Dwight, for the pics.  That is definitely a different car 
than the one I briefly had custody of, from what I can tell from 
those lousy pics.  Mine was a coupe.  Sheesh, could he have taken a 
WORSE picture???They reminded me of the pics Vinny Gambini had 
in MY COUSIN VINNY, taken through a filthy screen.  :)  God, I love 
that movie!




Tom Schuch

SE Connecticut

1975 W115 300D (may be going up for sale shortly to make some room)

and a bunch of BMWs (adding a 6th today)



Message: 2
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:25:21 -0600
From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 230E
Message-ID: a0624081dc782db88f...@[192.168.1.112]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed

Carb engined 123 was only in 77 and 78 according to the info I found.
All from 79 on were einspritz




Hi Curt,



I run a residential facility here in CT. I have had a car donation
fundraising program for the past several years. A couple of years
ago someone donated a grey market 230E, cant remember if it was an
1983 or 1984. (I am gonna check my records at work tomorrow, it may
have been a 230CE.) It was a W123 chassis, however, in need of
restoration. I only had it on hand for a short time before selling
to some gearhead immigrants from western CT. Since it was an
unregistered vehicle, and badly in need of a tuneup, we had no real
idea of the power and economy. It was a neat car, though, with a
carbureted gasoline engine in the w123 chassis.

FWIW, wikipedia has some info on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W123



I am curious if that is the same car that Dwight saw. The one I had
was white with a blue cloth interior.



Tom Schuch

1975 W115 300D

and a bunch of BMWs

(adding a Euro Baur Monday night)











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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:50:31 -0500
From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '84 230E
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

same as a 190e 2.3. maybe a tad heavier but i will get out of its own way

On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:


 Anybody know anything about an '84 230E?
 Dwight's found one. Grey market car, 5spd (supposedly anyway) trans.

 Seller wants $1000 but says it needs ball joints (Ball joints you say?
 Sucks on teeth Jeez, that could run into money. What do you think about
 $800 for this jalopy?) but has had other front end work done already.

 What kind of mileage could one expect? How much power?

 -Curt



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Re: [MBZ] RR of 124 combo switch

[Dieselhead]

I have never gotten the allen head bolt off the steering column 
except with a rattle wrench.  The material is soft, and an allen 
socket on a breaker bar only distorts the allen head.  (unless it has 
been removed before and not hammered in as tight as the factory.)


I concur with Jim.  Every turn signal stalk I have removed has been 
held in with two screws and you can thread the plug into and up the 
steering column without removing the steering wheel.  That said, I 
have never had to do the job on a 124.


I could not figure a way to change the brake booster on a 107 without 
removing the steering wheel or the seat.  I chose the wheel.




Yes, there are two torx screws on the back of the 124 wheel I'm
looking at, too.  Easy to remove and then what?  I'm guessing it
comes out and you can easily unplug it, set it somewhere safe, then go
about removing the actual wheel?  (I have done the latter on a
pre-airbag 107... seems to me there was just one big [and VERY tight]
nut holding the wheel on.)


Exactly.  Except it's not a nut anymore, it's a big Allen-headed
bolt.  Very easy to strip the head, in relation to the nut.  I had
to chisel one out, that was no fun.  If need be, get an extra set
of hands on there to prevent the wrench slipping and ruining the
bolt head.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 1984 230E

[Mitch Haley]

Dieselhead wrote:
My info came from Mercedesclub.de.  If the car was a 230CE, then by 
definition, it was injected when it left the factory.  Someone could 
have swapped an older engine into it, or may have installed manifold and 
carb off another engine.  Your donation car is a mystery to me.


Trunk badges can be changed too.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: measuring Power Factor

[Dieselhead]

Can you put on an ampprobe (clamp-on) to measure amps and measure 
volts with a different meter (simultaneously) and use that data to do 
the calculation?


With all these fancy digital handheld meters out there, is there a 
clamp-on meter that will give you a power factor while clamped on a 
wire?


No.  You cannot measure power factor without simultaneously
measuring both instantaneous current and voltage.  No clamp-on
measures any kind of voltage without a metallic connection.
The kill-a-watt is the only inexpensive tool I know of that
measures power factor.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] '76 300D in Michigan

[R A Bennell]

Pretty much a twin of my car. Not sure what color the interior is on the one 
advertised - maybe tan. Mine is
white/cream.

I paid a whole lot more than that but then I bought it locally and there are 
not nearly so many of them around here
as there are south of the border.

Randy

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 11:57 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] '76 300D in Michigan


She's afraid that her 34 year old car will soon become unreliable:
http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/1566540260.html

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Re: [MBZ] '76 300D in Michigan

[R A Bennell]

2 comments.

1. an old cheap red car can become whatever color you like fairly 
inexpensively. Maybe not perfectly, but certainly
cheaply.

2. It sounds to me like red cars have saved your hide a number of times. Maybe 
you should always drive red cars. My
son's sax teacher was in 2 serious accidents while driving Ford SUV's - first a 
Bronco and then an Explorer. He
refused to have another and bought a Nissan Pathfinder. I suggested to him that 
he should be thankful that the
Ford's saved him twice. He had not thought of it in that manner.

Randy

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Redghost
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 6:47 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '76 300D in Michigan


I have had three and all three were truck attracting menaces.  The 72
Audi was first sideswiped and landed in a ditch, which crumpled the
under bits of the trunk.  I had it repaired, and while driving it two
weeks out of the shop, a truck nicked it on the tail (police move to
spin the car) and then the L beam on the back caught the trunk and
ripped it off just above the fuel door.  I had just filled the tank.

Red 79 rabbit was pinned to a parking post when a pickup lost its
parking brake and rolled down the ramp in the garage.

89 Toyota PU was accordianed by a dame in her furd exploder because
she was in a hurry to get to her BF and on the phone.  I was stopped
at a red light, with five other cars ahead of me.  Think she hit at
35mph, since the bed buckled up 9 inches.

No red cars for me

clay



On Jan 24, 2010, at 4:03 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:

 I knew about getting stopped for speeding in red cars, (don't ask me
 how I
 know!), but have never before heard of the proclivity of red cars to
 get
 totaled or kill people.

 Greg

 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
 ]
 On Behalf Of Redghost
 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:56 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] '76 300D in Michigan

 But it is RED.  I am very averse to red cars because every red car I
 have owned has tried to make me dead.  They seem to attract totaling
 by insurance people after impacts with trucks.  How the hell do you
 not see a red car?

 clay


 On Jan 24, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

 clay wrote:
 Too bad it is red, or I would jump all over that

 You want someone to drive it west?
 Cost of fuel plus train home - participation in lodging?
 mao

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Re: [MBZ] '76 300D in Michigan

[Bob Rentfro]

That's how I look at it too. I figure I cannot afford not to drive an old
Mercedes.

I've seen many, many people walk away from collisions when the were driving
old Mercedes'.I've seen far more people get taken away from collisions
that were driving something else.   We all have our stories.

I've always liked real colorsred, blue, white. Never cared for the
made-up colorsgoat-phlegm beige, champagne, irredesent Mary Kay
WhitePink, Early '90's Teal

Bob R

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 8:23 AM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote:

 2 comments.

 1. an old cheap red car can become whatever color you like fairly
 inexpensively. Maybe not perfectly, but certainly
 cheaply.

 2. It sounds to me like red cars have saved your hide a number of times.
 Maybe you should always drive red cars. My
 son's sax teacher was in 2 serious accidents while driving Ford SUV's -
 first a Bronco and then an Explorer. He
 refused to have another and bought a Nissan Pathfinder. I suggested to him
 that he should be thankful that the
 Ford's saved him twice. He had not thought of it in that manner.

 Randy

 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
 [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Redghost
 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 6:47 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] '76 300D in Michigan


 I have had three and all three were truck attracting menaces.  The 72
 Audi was first sideswiped and landed in a ditch, which crumpled the
 under bits of the trunk.  I had it repaired, and while driving it two
 weeks out of the shop, a truck nicked it on the tail (police move to
 spin the car) and then the L beam on the back caught the trunk and
 ripped it off just above the fuel door.  I had just filled the tank.

 Red 79 rabbit was pinned to a parking post when a pickup lost its
 parking brake and rolled down the ramp in the garage.

 89 Toyota PU was accordianed by a dame in her furd exploder because
 she was in a hurry to get to her BF and on the phone.  I was stopped
 at a red light, with five other cars ahead of me.  Think she hit at
 35mph, since the bed buckled up 9 inches.

 No red cars for me

 clay



 On Jan 24, 2010, at 4:03 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:

  I knew about getting stopped for speeding in red cars, (don't ask me
  how I
  know!), but have never before heard of the proclivity of red cars to
  get
  totaled or kill people.
 
  Greg
 
  -Original Message-
  From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:
 mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
  ]
  On Behalf Of Redghost
  Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:56 PM
  To: Mercedes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] '76 300D in Michigan
 
  But it is RED.  I am very averse to red cars because every red car I
  have owned has tried to make me dead.  They seem to attract totaling
  by insurance people after impacts with trucks.  How the hell do you
  not see a red car?
 
  clay
 
 
  On Jan 24, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
 
  clay wrote:
  Too bad it is red, or I would jump all over that
 
  You want someone to drive it west?
  Cost of fuel plus train home - participation in lodging?
  mao
 
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[MBZ] PHX CL 280 SE 4.5

[Bob Rentfro]

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/cto/1567942676.html


Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1984 230E

[Donald Snook]

Jim wrote: That's really weird, because the E (before this whole
'class' nonsense) meant fuel-injected.  e.g. the 280 and 280E 123's, etc.  I 
thought the class crap began when the flipped the letters and the numbers 
around.

I don't know whether the E meant fuel injected or not. But, I had a euro 1984 
280E and it was fuel injected.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1984 230E

[Dieselhead]

The E AFTER a number meant Einspritz, the german word for fuel Injection.
  Of course this only applied to gassers.  Diesles had the letter D obviously

so a 230 had carbs
a 230E had Einspritz
same with 250, 280 Etc

E before the number means nothing.  It is used only to identify the 
midrange car.


Dieselhead
Who can only tolerate gassers if they have E


Jim wrote: That's really weird, because the E (before this whole
'class' nonsense) meant fuel-injected.  e.g. the 280 and 280E 123's, 
etc.  I thought the class crap began when the flipped the letters 
and the numbers around.


I don't know whether the E meant fuel injected or not. But, I had a 
euro 1984 280E and it was fuel injected.



Donald H. Snook

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[MBZ] I'm not sure what this is

[Rich Thomas]

but it looks like it would be cool to have

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1569446386.html

--R

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Re: [MBZ] I'm not sure what this is

[R A Bennell]

It is for washing the black spots off the parking pad that your diesel car 
leaves behind. 1600 gallons of 500
degree water at 150 pounds of pressure should get it clean no matter how bad it 
was.

Randy

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Subject: [MBZ] I'm not sure what this is


but it looks like it would be cool to have

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1569446386.html

--R

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[MBZ] Vac. line connectors

[Hans Neureiter]

The vacuum line connectors on my 300SD are in bad shape. Where is a good
source to find these things, like an assortment.

-- 
Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX
'82 300SD
'02 RoadKing
'72 T100 Daytona
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Re: [MBZ] Vac. line connectors

[Rusty Cullens]

h...

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:30 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Vac. line connectors



The vacuum line connectors on my 300SD are in bad shape. Where is a good
source to find these things, like an assortment.

--
Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX
'82 300SD
'02 RoadKing
'72 T100 Daytona
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Re: [MBZ] I'm not sure what this is

[Rich Thomas]

I definitely don't need it then, now the cars are parked on the sand 
driveways and various places here and there, so that would probably be 
enough to dig out a small lake.  I am sure some of y'all would benefit 
though.


--R

R A Bennell wrote:

It is for washing the black spots off the parking pad that your diesel car 
leaves behind. 1600 gallons of 500
degree water at 150 pounds of pressure should get it clean no matter how bad it 
was.

Randy

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Subject: [MBZ] I'm not sure what this is


but it looks like it would be cool to have

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1569446386.html

--R

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Re: [MBZ] OT: measuring Power Factor

[LWB250]

Understand that power factor is a value that is constantly changing based on 
the types of loads that are present.  Power factor can lead or lag, and in the 
case of loads with motors or capacitance the value is not a constant.

In a balanced single phase circuit you could measure power factor with a 
wattmeter, ammeter and voltmeter, if you have them.  You could do this as well 
in a three phase system as long as the loads are balanced across the three 
phases.

My suggestion: Buy a kill-a-watt.

We have very sophisticated devices we use for testing and commissioning of 
generators (as well as for troubleshooting) that measure power factor among 
other values, but you're talking about several thousand dollars for something 
like this:

http://www.tequipment.net/pdf/Fluke/435_datasheet.pdf

Dan




--- On Mon, 1/25/10, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: measuring Power Factor
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 9:55 AM
 Can you put on an ampprobe (clamp-on)
 to measure amps and measure 
 volts with a different meter (simultaneously) and use that
 data to do 
 the calculation?
 
 With all these fancy digital handheld meters out
 there, is there a 
 clamp-on meter that will give you a power factor
 while clamped on a 
 wire?
 
 No.  You cannot measure power factor without
 simultaneously
 measuring both instantaneous current and voltage. 
 No clamp-on
 measures any kind of voltage without a metallic
 connection.
 The kill-a-watt is the only inexpensive tool I know of
 that
 measures power factor.
 
 -- Jim
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] I'm not sure what this is

[Frederick W Moir]

Alles.
$60,000 to make tea!
I'll use my old kettle.
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred


On 1/25/2010 11:14 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

but it looks like it would be cool to have

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1569446386.html

--R

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Re: [MBZ] OT: measuring Power Factor

[Dieselhead]

Thanks Jim and Dan.

What I want to do is determine PF at hardwired 240 1 phase devices, 
such as central air cond. compressor/condensor units.  The 
Kill-A-Watt is great for 110v devices.  Is there any low-cost way to 
do that?


I can get amps with a clamp-on, volts with a voltmeter.  Is there any 
way to determine watts without rewiring a wattmeter inline?  If I 
have to rewire, then I could use two kill-a-watts with leads and 
clamps.


The Fluke would be nice, but the price is not justified for my needs.

Thanks again.

Understand that power factor is a value that is constantly changing 
based on the types of loads that are present.  Power factor can lead 
or lag, and in the case of loads with motors or capacitance the 
value is not a constant.


Yes, but there is an average value for a period of time.



In a balanced single phase circuit you could measure power factor 
with a wattmeter, ammeter and voltmeter, if you have them.  You 
could do this as well in a three phase system as long as the loads 
are balanced across the three phases.


My suggestion: Buy a kill-a-watt.

We have very sophisticated devices we use for testing and 
commissioning of generators (as well as for troubleshooting) that 
measure power factor among other values, but you're talking about 
several thousand dollars for something like this:


http://www.tequipment.net/pdf/Fluke/435_datasheet.pdf

Dan




--- On Mon, 1/25/10, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:


 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: measuring Power Factor
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 9:55 AM
 Can you put on an ampprobe (clamp-on)
 to measure amps and measure
 volts with a different meter (simultaneously) and use that
 data to do
 the calculation?

 With all these fancy digital handheld meters out
 there, is there a
 clamp-on meter that will give you a power factor
 while clamped on a
 wire?
 
 No.  You cannot measure power factor without
 simultaneously
 measuring both instantaneous current and voltage. 
 No clamp-on

 measures any kind of voltage without a metallic
 connection.
 The kill-a-watt is the only inexpensive tool I know of
 that
 measures power factor.
 
 -- Jim
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: measuring Power Factor

[Mitch Haley]

LWB250 wrote:


We have very sophisticated devices we use for testing and commissioning of 
generators (as well as for troubleshooting) that measure power factor among 
other values, but you're talking about several thousand dollars for something 
like this:

http://www.tequipment.net/pdf/Fluke/435_datasheet.pdf


Have you ever run something like that alongside a Kill-A-Watt and compared the 
readings?


BTW, the transfer switch on the Generac seems to have cured itself. My last four 
simulated power failures have gone off without a hitch. Maybe the thing just 
needed exercise somehow? (the engine runs several minutes a week, but the 
transfer switch only trips during a power failure or simulation)


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 1984 230E

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

There was a 280 that was carb, I want to say it was a M123 engine?  I 
had one in my 84 280 LWB 123


Dieselhead wrote:
Carb engined 123 was only in 77 and 78 according to the info I found. 
All from 79 on were einspritz





Hi Curt,



I run a residential facility here in CT.  I have had a car donation 
fundraising program for the past several years.  A couple of years 
ago someone donated a grey market 230E, cant remember if it was an 
1983 or 1984.  (I am gonna check my records at work tomorrow, it may 
have been a 230CE.)  It was a W123 chassis, however, in need of 
restoration.  I only had it on hand for a short time before selling 
to some gearhead immigrants from western CT.   Since it was an 
unregistered vehicle, and badly in need of a tuneup, we had  no real 
idea of the power and economy.  It was a neat car, though, with a 
carbureted gasoline engine in the w123 chassis.


FWIW, wikipedia has some info on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W123



I am curious if that is the same car that Dwight saw.  The one I had 
was white with a blue cloth interior.



Tom Schuch

1975 W115 300D

and a bunch of BMWs

(adding a Euro Baur Monday night)











Message: 13
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:50:31 -0500
From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '84 230E
Message-ID:
8b0e7cce1001241750k3e210b4cvde21f7400c84f...@mail.gmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

same as a 190e 2.3. maybe a tad heavier but i will get out of its own 
way


On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com 
wrote:



 Anybody know anything about an '84 230E?
 Dwight's found one. Grey market car, 5spd (supposedly anyway) trans.

 Seller wants $1000 but says it needs ball joints (Ball joints you 
say?
 Sucks on teeth Jeez, that could run into money. What do you think 
about

 $800 for this jalopy?) but has had other front end work done already.

 What kind of mileage could one expect? How much power?

 -Curt



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Re: [MBZ] RR of 124 combo switch

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

you have to remove the steering wheel.

Alex Chamberlain wrote:

Is there a way to RR the combo (wiper/turn signal/high beam) switch
on a 300E without pulling the steering wheel?  I thought I remembered
someone talking about that recently here, but can't find it in the
archives.  I got a junkyard switch assembly from eBay, and the combo
switch and cruise control stalk appear to be permanently attached to a
sort of mounting ring which presumably must slip over the steering
column behind the wheel---but if there's any way to avoid removing the
dreaded airbag, I'd love to know it.

Thanks,
Alex

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Re: [MBZ] 1984 230E

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

If it was  carburated, it would just be a 230C, the E means its fuel 
injected.  I sure have never heard of such a beast though.


tom tomscat wrote:

Hi Dieselhead,

 

I believe your info is incomplete.  My info says that engine was available in a carburetor version until 1990.  

 


I am now at work, more or less, and I checked my records.  The car I had (in 
March 2006) was a 1984 230CE and it was carbureted.  Last 7 digits of the VIN 
were: AO95696.   I distinctly remember the carburetor, because it backfired 
repeatedly thru the carburetor when we tried to start it, and I had to put out 
more than one minor flame-up.  Which put the Fear of God into a couple of 
casual onlookers, btw.  :)

 

It was a great little collectible car, but it needed a lot of restoration.  

 


Thanks, Dwight, for the pics.  That is definitely a different car than the one 
I briefly had custody of, from what I can tell from those lousy pics.  Mine was 
a coupe.  Sheesh, could he have taken a WORSE picture???They reminded me of 
the pics Vinny Gambini had in MY COUSIN VINNY, taken through a filthy screen.  
:)  God, I love that movie!

 


Tom Schuch

SE Connecticut

1975 W115 300D (may be going up for sale shortly to make some room)

and a bunch of BMWs (adding a 6th today)

 


Message: 2
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:25:21 -0600
From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 230E
Message-ID: a0624081dc782db88f...@[192.168.1.112]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed
 
Carb engined 123 was only in 77 and 78 according to the info I found. 
All from 79 on were einspritz
 
 
 
  

Hi Curt,



I run a residential facility here in CT. I have had a car donation 
fundraising program for the past several years. A couple of years 
ago someone donated a grey market 230E, cant remember if it was an 
1983 or 1984. (I am gonna check my records at work tomorrow, it may 
have been a 230CE.) It was a W123 chassis, however, in need of 
restoration. I only had it on hand for a short time before selling 
to some gearhead immigrants from western CT. Since it was an 
unregistered vehicle, and badly in need of a tuneup, we had no real 
idea of the power and economy. It was a neat car, though, with a 
carbureted gasoline engine in the w123 chassis.


FWIW, wikipedia has some info on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W123



I am curious if that is the same car that Dwight saw. The one I had 
was white with a blue cloth interior. 




Tom Schuch

1975 W115 300D

and a bunch of BMWs

(adding a Euro Baur Monday night)











Message: 13
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:50:31 -0500
From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '84 230E
Message-ID:
8b0e7cce1001241750k3e210b4cvde21f7400c84f...@mail.gmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

same as a 190e 2.3. maybe a tad heavier but i will get out of its own way

On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:



Anybody know anything about an '84 230E?
Dwight's found one. Grey market car, 5spd (supposedly anyway) trans.

Seller wants $1000 but says it needs ball joints (Ball joints you say?
Sucks on teeth Jeez, that could run into money. What do you think about
$800 for this jalopy?) but has had other front end work done already.

What kind of mileage could one expect? How much power?

-Curt
  

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Re: [MBZ] 1984 230E

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

oh yea, its was a 250, not a 280, I was thinking 280 for some reason.

LWB250 wrote:

There were numerous carbureted engines in the Euro chassis models - I had a 
1984 250LWB, and it had a 2.5 liter normally aspirated engine with a single two 
barrel carb.  I can't recall the brand of carb at the moment, suffice to say 
they were known for the top covers warping and were made of unobtainium.

I put a Holley 2300 conversion on it and it ran fine.

Dan



--- On Mon, 1/25/10, tom tomscat tomsc...@hotmail.com wrote:

  

From: tom tomscat tomsc...@hotmail.com
Subject: [MBZ] 1984 230E
To: mercedes diesel mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 7:58 AM

Hi Dieselhead,

 


I believe your info is incomplete.  My info says that
engine was available in a carburetor version until
1990.  

 


I am now at work, more or less, and I checked my
records.  The car I had (in March 2006) was a 1984
230CE and it was carbureted.  Last 7 digits of the VIN
were: AO95696.   I distinctly remember the
carburetor, because it backfired repeatedly thru the
carburetor when we tried to start it, and I had to put out
more than one minor flame-up.  Which put the Fear of
God into a couple of casual onlookers, btw.  :)

 


It was a great little collectible car, but it needed a lot
of restoration.  

 


Thanks, Dwight, for the pics.  That is definitely a
different car than the one I briefly had custody of, from
what I can tell from those lousy pics.  Mine was a
coupe.  Sheesh, could he have taken a WORSE
picture???They reminded me of the pics Vinny
Gambini had in MY COUSIN VINNY, taken through a filthy
screen.  :)  God, I love that movie!

 


Tom Schuch

SE Connecticut

1975 W115 300D (may be going up for sale shortly to make
some room)

and a bunch of BMWs (adding a 6th today)

 


Message: 2
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:25:21 -0600
From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 230E
Message-ID: a0624081dc782db88f...@[192.168.1.112]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ;
format=flowed
 
Carb engined 123 was only in 77 and 78 according to the
info I found. 
All from 79 on were einspritz
 
 
 


Hi Curt,



I run a residential facility here in CT. I have had a
  
car donation 


fundraising program for the past several years. A
  
couple of years 


ago someone donated a grey market 230E, cant remember
  
if it was an 


1983 or 1984. (I am gonna check my records at work
  
tomorrow, it may 


have been a 230CE.) It was a W123 chassis, however, in
  
need of 


restoration. I only had it on hand for a short time
  
before selling 


to some gearhead immigrants from western CT. Since it
  
was an 


unregistered vehicle, and badly in need of a tuneup, we
  
had no real 


idea of the power and economy. It was a neat car,
  
though, with a 


carbureted gasoline engine in the w123 chassis.

FWIW, wikipedia has some info on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W123



I am curious if that is the same car that Dwight saw.
  
The one I had 

was white with a blue cloth interior. 




Tom Schuch

1975 W115 300D

and a bunch of BMWs

(adding a Euro Baur Monday night)











Message: 13
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:50:31 -0500
From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '84 230E
Message-ID:
8b0e7cce1001241750k3e210b4cvde21f7400c84f...@mail.gmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

same as a 190e 2.3. maybe a tad heavier but i will get
  

out of its own way


On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
  

wrote:


Anybody know anything about an '84 230E?
Dwight's found one. Grey market car, 5spd


(supposedly anyway) trans.


Seller wants $1000 but says it needs ball joints


(Ball joints you say?


Sucks on teeth Jeez, that could run into money.


What do you think about


$800 for this jalopy?) but has had other front


end work done already.


What kind of mileage could one expect? How much


power?


-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] 1984 230E

[Curt Raymond]

Was yours maybe a 230C rather than a 230CE? I thought the E made it injected...

Of course we have no idea the abomination some previous owner may have made of 
the car...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:58:16 -0500
From: tom tomscat tomsc...@hotmail.com
To: mercedes diesel mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] 1984 230E
Message-ID: bay109-w366aca31a70823634698df8d...@phx.gbl
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1


Hi Dieselhead,

 

I believe your info is incomplete.  My info says that engine was available in a 
carburetor version until 1990.  

 

I
am now at work, more or less, and I checked my records.  The car I had
(in March 2006) was a 1984 230CE and it was carbureted.  Last 7 digits
of the VIN were: AO95696.   I distinctly remember the carburetor,
because it backfired repeatedly thru the carburetor when we tried to
start it, and I had to put out more than one minor flame-up.  Which put
the Fear of God into a couple of casual onlookers, btw.  :)



  
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 50, Issue 144

[tom tomscat]

Hi Jim et al,

 

You are correct.  The CE didn't ring true to me either, but I was reviewing 
some hand-written notes and just overlooked that.  I have now located a copy of 
the original title, and it is clearly marked as a 1984 230C, with a W123 
chassis.  My apologies for the confusion, and to you also, Dieselhead.  It was 
a few years ago,and I should have checked more carefully on the badging and 
avoided the mistake.

 

Also Hi to Donald Snook, fellow bimmer owner.  I have had a number of them, all 
older 3 Series.  The stable currently has:

1989 E30 325ix (The Ultimate Snowmobile)

1989 E30 325ic (Tanmobile)  :)

1979 E21 323i Euro (project car)

1978 E21 320i (parts car)

1977 E21 320i (carbed, previous owner was setting it up to race)

1982 E21 323i Euro Baur (targa top/convertible) (scheduled to arrive by truck 
tonight)

 

My two sons kid me about running a residential facility for feral BMWs.  I am 
going to have to cull the herd, though, because I am over the 'limit', and I 
want to STAY married!:)   Tough decision, though.  The culling the herd 
part, not the staying married part, btw.  The 323s are really rare, especially 
the Baur, and the ix is ... well  just unbelievable in the snow.  So they 
will stay, but the others who knows.  Sadly, that probably goes for the 
1975 W115 300D, which I have had for 10 years.  I'll be making those decisions 
in the next few weeks. 

 

Tom Schuch

SE Connecticut

1975 W115 300D

and all of the above

 

 

Message: 4
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 06:34:29 -0800
From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1984 230E
Message-ID: be91ba45-09be-11df-82b4-000502d9a...@windwireless.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
 
 March 2006) was a 1984 230CE and it was carbureted.
 
That's really weird, because the E (before this whole
'class' nonsense) meant fuel-injected. e.g. the 280 and
280E 123's, etc. I thought the class crap began when the
flipped the letters and the numbers around.
 
-- Jim

  
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 50, Issue 144

[Dieselhead]

Thanks for clearing the confusion, and no problem.  I was confused, 
and evidently the german MB club has some incorrect info on their 
website.



Hi Jim et al,



You are correct.  The CE didn't ring true to me either, but I was 
reviewing some hand-written notes and just overlooked that.  I have 
now located a copy of the original title, and it is clearly marked 
as a 1984 230C, with a W123 chassis.  My apologies for the 
confusion, and to you also, Dieselhead.  It was a few years ago,and 
I should have checked more carefully on the badging and avoided the 
mistake.





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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 50, Issue 144

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:07 AM, tom tomscat tomsc...@hotmail.com wrote:

 1989 E30 325ix (The Ultimate Snowmobile)

I had a 325iX for a while.  It was interesting to compare it to the
Audi 4000CS Quattro and the VW Quantum Syncro (wagon version of the
4000 with a wider-ratio transmission and no independent rear
suspension) which I had at about the same time.  The 325iX handled
better than the Quantum on dry pavement, but not as well as the Audi.
In low-traction situations I felt the 325iX was better once rolling,
but nothing could beat the manually locking differentials on the Audi
and VW for getting unstuck.

I fondly remember somehow getting the Quantum high-centered halfway
into a muddy ditch next to a forest service road while on a camping
trip.  The car was leaning over at nearly a 30-degree angle and only
one rear wheel was touching the ground.  I just pulled the knob to
lock both the center and rear diffs, put it in first, gave it a bit of
gas, and the car clawed its way right up out of the ditch and back
onto the road.  Most mom-mobile SUVs couldn't have done that.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Fuel tank repair

[Robert Bigham]

Correctamundo.  Get it clean so solder will stick. Clean the area to be 
soldered with brush or somehow.  Use acid core solder or acid flux.  Heat the 
copper up well and it will do the whole job in one heating.  

One of the gas tank repair places like in Hemmings can do the welding if anyone 
really wants welding per se. 

Otherwise, do not try this at home.  We are professionals.  Ha !  

ed


Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:02:03 -0600
From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuek leak/Fuel tank repair

My father used to do this sort of thing as well. Not commercially, but I do 
recall him soldering tanks that leaked.

I think the primary concern is getting the area clean enough for the solder to 
stick properly. My guess is that
what you want is the flux - essentially acid - that was used when soldering 
eavestroughing back when it was
galvanized steel instead of aluminum or plastic. Wipe that stuff on and it 
would eat anything that might cause
trouble. Then the solder joint would stick pretty good.

Randy

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Robert Bigham
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:54 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuek leak/Fuel tank repair


Hello All

The safe way to repair a fuel tank is with soft solder and an old-fashioned 
soldering copper.

In this process, there need not be fire anywhere near the tank, there is no 
spark ever, and the temperature of the
tank can be moderated with partial water fillingor sponging with water similar 
to in bodywork welding.

One of my many old bosses used to do this a lot.  It was something of a trade 
secret to him; he would not allow
outsiders to actually see him do it. He used to cackle about how much money he 
could get for so little work on tank
repair.  But he used to cackle about a lot of things.

Stay away from fuel tank welding; it's too dangerous.

Regards ed


   3. Re: fuel leak (Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,   53310)
   4. Re: fuel leak (pm7...@comcast.net)
   6. Re: fuel leak (R A Bennell)
Message: 3
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:21:50 -0500
From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel leak

Another trick that I've heard about but never witnessed is called
'pressing up' the tank, whereby you fill it with water so that the fuel
is pressed up to the top of the tank, and then you weld so that the
water gets heated and not the fuel.  How do you keep the water leaking
out of the break from mucking up your welding?  I don't know...

-Max

[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:14 PM

Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel leak

 What do I use to weld this?  Torch?

Fuel tank welding is rather tricky.  I've done it.  The secret
ingredient is a lawnmower putting away filling the tank with non-oxygen,
and keeping it that way.

I don't really recommend it.

-- Jim


Message: 4
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:57:00 + (UTC)
From: pm7...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel leak

Oh my, this is going to require ear plugs so the large BANG does't scare you 
too much.

Than of course there is all the hollering and screaming that comes from burn 
victims.

I've used epoxy with good results, not as dramatic of course


--

Peter Arnold

Windsor, CT



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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:05:37 -0600
From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT '95 E300 project - OM606 fun (was oscope)
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 Curt Raymond wrote:

 I think Marshall said heat and time and that heat was a
 function of RPM and load.

 IIRC Marshall suggested getting some big friends to ride in
 the backseat while you drove up big hills...

Hmm. That requires big hills.  And friends

--   Philip



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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:12:24 -0500
From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] looking at '87 300D
Message-ID: 1264183944.22213.1356069...@webmail.messagingengine.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Well I had said that I was not buying any cars this year but I'd seen this 
W124 sitting in a yard with a for sale sign for a while.  I had some time this 
morning so I stopped to look at it.  It's an '87 300D with (if the odo is 
correct) about 173K miles.

Nobody was around so I noted the phone number.  The car looked solid, no 
visible rust, but paint was flat on the hood.  Interior looked decent, no rips 
or obvious abuse.

If I were 

[MBZ] Mileage Wackiness

[Donald Snook]

I noticed this morning as I was driving to work that my odometer was 16.  I 
didn't notice that I had been driving with 666 on there for 66 miles.  I'll be 
glad when I can drive 34 more miles.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1984 230E

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

E= einspritzung injected.

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.  
1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles.
Wickford, RI
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On Behalf Of Donald Snook
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 10:47 AM
To: 'Mercedes@okiebenz.com'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1984 230E

Jim wrote: That's really weird, because the E (before this whole
'class' nonsense) meant fuel-injected.  e.g. the 280 and 280E 123's, etc.  I
thought the class crap began when the flipped the letters and the numbers
around.

I don't know whether the E meant fuel injected or not. But, I had a euro
1984 280E and it was fuel injected.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1984 230E

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
 The E AFTER a number meant Einspritz, the german word for fuel Injection.

The same is true of old BMWs---the ones with an i on the end are
injected, and the ones without are carbed.  They used to stick very
strictly to their naming convention, just like M-B, but the system
started to break down in the mid-'80s, though, when the 325 model had
fuel-injection and had a 2.8-liter engine instead of a 2.5-liter.

Snook's new baby is a 740iL---7 body, 4.0-liter engine, injected, long
wheelbase, so it still holds by and large.

Not sure what the i stood/stands for, unless it's inietzione,
which I think I have seen on the back of Alfas.  ;)

What I really like is the badge on the back of some '80s-'90s
Cadillacs, about three inches long, which proudly announces
ELECTRONIC FUEL INJECTION in a very solemn serif typeface.  If
anyone finds one of those on their next PnP trip and sends it to me I
will gladly pay you a few bucks for your time---I'd like to stick one
on the back of the POS 300E.  ;)

Alex

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[MBZ] Battery drain, 86 SDL

[harry watkins]

My $2.99 HF VOM fluctuates between 64 and 65 ma.

I used the Cathey procedure to connect in series from the neg. post to the neg. 
cable.

Is that enough drain to cause a problem?

Thanks
Harry

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Re: [MBZ] Battery drain, 86 SDL

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

I don't think that sounds too bad, but I'd prefer to see something less
than 20 mA.  Recommend you wait for someone more familiar with your
car...

-Max 

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of harry watkins
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 2:51 PM
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Subject: [MBZ] Battery drain, 86 SDL

My $2.99 HF VOM fluctuates between 64 and 65 ma.

I used the Cathey procedure to connect in series from the neg. post to
the neg. cable.

Is that enough drain to cause a problem?

Thanks
Harry

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Re: [MBZ] Mileage Wackiness

[Rich Thomas]

Signifies the second coming, or armageddon, or more republicans getting 
elected in November, or all of the above.


--R

Donald Snook wrote:

I noticed this morning as I was driving to work that my odometer was 16.  I 
didn't notice that I had been driving with 666 on there for 66 miles.  I'll be 
glad when I can drive 34 more miles.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] 1984 230E

[Donald Snook]

Kaleb wrote: oh yea, its was a 250, not a 280, I was thinking 280 for some 
reason.

Your confusion is understandable. The 250 originally had a 2.5 engine.  By the 
middle of the production run for 1971 models, they switched over to the 2.8 
engine.  My 71 250 had the 2.8 engine.  But, I had a friend with an earlier 
model with the 2.5.

Of course, none of this is relevant to this discussion, because my 2.8 engine 
had the two carb set up.  But, the 280SL did have the mechanical fuel injection 
in 1971.

Donald H. Snook

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[MBZ] Danish ad

[RELNGSON]

 ONE HUNDRED PERCENT OF MEN VIEWING THIS COMMERCIAL SAY:
 
 I have no idea what they are selling, but I'll have 10!!
 
 http://www.m2film.dk/fleggaard/trailer2.swf
 
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[MBZ] sun valley transmissions

[Gary Hurst]

anyone know anything about them?

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[MBZ] Fuel injection Was 1984 230E

[Dieselhead]

So did the 300SL in the 50s.

In fact, I believe the first mass produced gasoline engine with fuel 
injection was the Daimler Benz DB601


Quote:

The DB 601A-1 was a development of the DB 600 with direct fuel 
injection. Like all DB 601s, it had a 33.9 litre displacement.[1] The 
first prototype with the direct fuel injection, designated as F4E, 
was test run in 1935, and an order for 150 engines was placed in 
February 1937.[1]

From wikipedia DB601


Of course, none of this is relevant to this discussion, because my 
2.8 engine had the two carb set up.  But, the 280SL did have the 
mechanical fuel injection in 1971.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] sun valley transmissions

[Dieselhead]

Never bought from them but have talked to them and used their free 
info.  They definitely know MB transmissions.  Probably the best 
MB-specific people in the US for transmission diagnosis and 
adjustment.


They sell used, rebuilt or will rebuild/repair your transmission.

Great resources for 123 transmissions, especially the rare 1981 only slushbox.



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Re: [MBZ] them letters

[RELNGSON]

 .That's really weird, because the E (before this whole 'class' 
 nonsense) meant fuel-injected. e.g. the 280 and 280E 123's, etc. I thought 
 the 
 class crap began when the flipped the letters and the numbers around...
 
The class crap began with the 1994 W202 which was the first C Class. C 
meaning compact. The 201s had been referred to by MB in their sales literature 
as 190 Class. When the 300E became the E320, MB called it then called it 
the Executive Class.

The S class business is a lot foggier with MB now lumping even the 108s in 
that group although that's just recently for advertising purposes. Long 
lineage, etc. 

The letter S in the German car business has long been used to indicate the 
top of a line with more performance and a higher price. The 1967 911S is a 
good example.

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] FI

[RELNGSON]

 ...What I really like is the badge on the back of some '80s-'90s
 Cadillacs, about three inches long, which proudly announces
 ELECTRONIC FUEL INJECTION in a very solemn serif typeface 
 
As though it were big deal.

Seems to me the first German electronic injection was in the 1968 VW 
Squareback  Fastback. Well before MB or Porsche.

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] FI

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:19 PM,  relng...@aol.com wrote:
 ...What I really like is the badge on the back of some '80s-'90s
 Cadillacs, about three inches long, which proudly announces
 ELECTRONIC FUEL INJECTION in a very solemn serif typeface

 As though it were big deal.

Exactly!

Similar is the huge Automatic badge on the back of air-cooled VWs.
What, you're proud that your 60 hp car now goes 0 to 60 in 45 seconds
instead of 30?

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Danish ad

[Mitch Haley]

relng...@aol.com wrote:

ONE HUNDRED PERCENT OF MEN VIEWING THIS COMMERCIAL SAY:

I have no idea what they are selling, but I'll have 10!!

http://www.m2film.dk/fleggaard/trailer2.swf


Wrong list, I think.

Mitch.

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[MBZ] BENTLEY /MERCEDES E CLASS BIBLE - $20 (CHARLESTON)

[Rich Thomas]

http://charleston.craigslist.org/tls/1569506862.html


   BENTLEY /MERCEDES E CLASS BIBLE - $20 (CHARLESTON)


Date: 2010-01-25, 11:26AM EST
Reply to: sale-z82wd-1569506...@craigslist.org 
mailto:sale-z82wd-1569506...@craigslist.org?subject=bentley%20%2fmercedes%20e%20class%20bible%20-%20%2420%20%28charleston%29body=%0A%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fcharleston.craigslist.org%2Ftls%2F1569506862.html%0A 
^[Errors when replying to ads? 
http://www.craigslist.org/about/help/replying_to_posts]



BENTLEY / MERCEDES E CLASS BIBLE FOR 124 CHASIS 1986- 1995 COMPREHENSIVE 
BUY- MAINTIAN  TROUBLESHOOT- FULL MECHANICS INSIDER TIPS- PAYS FOR 
ITSELF- LIST FOR 40.00 -SELLING FOR 20.00



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[MBZ] 89 MERCEDES 420 SEL,NEED ENGINE - $750

[Rich Thomas]

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1569784368.html

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Re: [MBZ] FI

[Frederick W Moir]

Alles.
I think that Bendix was the developer of electronic fuel injection. 
America the beautiful, donchaknow.

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Smells like someone's been using diesel!

On 1/25/2010 4:19 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:

...What I really like is the badge on the back of some '80s-'90s
Cadillacs, about three inches long, which proudly announces
ELECTRONIC FUEL INJECTION in a very solemn serif typeface

 

As though it were big deal.

Seems to me the first German electronic injection was in the 1968 VW
Squareback  Fastback. Well before MB or Porsche.

RLE
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[MBZ] Lost prime in traffic

[hue wong]

Hi all1

I wanted to tap the collective wisdom of the group.

Yesterday my 300td dropped off in traffic.  just going down the road and it 
acted like it lost fuel and chugged out.

I hadn't been driving it so I assumed it was plugged fuel filters, but I 
swapped them out this morning but nothing.

Could the lines from the tank be fouled?  Is there an easy way to fix that  
(the car is stranded ont eh side of the road as I figure this out.)


I't feels like I have lost prime, as I pump the priming handle onthe engine it 
doesn't seem to build up pressure



Any thoughts are welcome.





  

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Re: [MBZ] FI

[Jaime Kopchinski]

That was D-jet, just like in the Mercedes 3.5 V8 of the day (which launched
in 69 I think)... from the Bosch parts bin of the day, just like all the
other fuel injection systems for many years to come.

Jaime


On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:19 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:

  ...What I really like is the badge on the back of some '80s-'90s
  Cadillacs, about three inches long, which proudly announces
  ELECTRONIC FUEL INJECTION in a very solemn serif typeface
 
 As though it were big deal.

 Seems to me the first German electronic injection was in the 1968 VW
 Squareback  Fastback. Well before MB or Porsche.

 RLE
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Re: [MBZ] them letters

[Hendrik Fay]

I just wonder what they will do when they run out of letters?
Although it could be argued that the UNIMOG was the first to use the 
letter in front of the number.


Hendrik
with an executive class station wagen and  U1300L

relng...@aol.com wrote:
.That's really weird, because the E (before this whole 'class' 
nonsense) meant fuel-injected. e.g. the 280 and 280E 123's, etc. I thought the 
class crap began when the flipped the letters and the numbers around...



The class crap began with the 1994 W202 which was the first C Class. C 
meaning compact. The 201s had been referred to by MB in their sales literature 
as 190 Class. When the 300E became the E320, MB called it then called it 
the Executive Class.


The S class business is a lot foggier with MB now lumping even the 108s in 
that group although that's just recently for advertising purposes. Long 
lineage, etc. 

The letter S in the German car business has long been used to indicate the 
top of a line with more performance and a higher price. The 1967 911S is a 
good example.


RLE

  



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Re: [MBZ] Danish ad with scantily dressed ladies

[Hendrik Fay]

I think they are selling breast enlargement procedures.
I suppose no one bothered to spot the mistake.

Hendrik
who only watched the ad once.honest

relng...@aol.com wrote:

ONE HUNDRED PERCENT OF MEN VIEWING THIS COMMERCIAL SAY:

I have no idea what they are selling, but I'll have 10!!

http://www.m2film.dk/fleggaard/trailer2.swf


  



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Re: [MBZ] Danish ad with scantily dressed ladies

[WILTON]

But I bet he didn't delete it yet.  ;

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Hendrik  Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:28 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Danish ad with scantily dressed ladies



I think they are selling breast enlargement procedures.
I suppose no one bothered to spot the mistake.

Hendrik
who only watched the ad once.honest

relng...@aol.com wrote:

ONE HUNDRED PERCENT OF MEN VIEWING THIS COMMERCIAL SAY:

I have no idea what they are selling, but I'll have 10!!

http://www.m2film.dk/fleggaard/trailer2.swf


  



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[MBZ] Car advice

[Donald Snook]

I have a dilemma.  I found a 2000 BMW 528i with only 58,000 miles that a friend 
of mine is selling.   The Loan value is $8400 (retail is $11,900).  I had a 
friend of mine who is at a dealership check the auction prices.  These same 
cars are bringing $6-6500 at AUCTION with around 60-70,000 miles.

It is very clean and in great shape EXCEPT, it has a scrape on the rear 
fender/bumper where the seller scraped their brick mailbox.  It doesn't look 
terrible. But, in order to make it perfect, it will have to be painted because 
the scratch is into the paint.  The car has been serviced at the local dealer 
since it was new; I called the dealership to confirm the service history.  It 
had the big expensive service deal done at 40,000 miles.  The last oil change 
at the dealer was done in June of 2008 when it had 56,000 miles. Its a one 
owner car.

The seller wants $7500.  But, we haven't even tried to negotiate.  My indy (who 
also sells cars at his shop) says I should try to buy it for no more than 
$6000.  I am really torn because it is a very nice car with low miles.  But, I 
don't need another car payment (I owe money on my Wife's Expedition).  I might 
be able to turn around and sell it quickly.  In fact, my indy says he could put 
it on his lot and sell it for $7500 pretty quickly.  OR, do I buy it and drive 
it and try to sell my car?  My car (which I really like) would probably only 
sell for about $4000.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1984 230E and 300E with EFI

[Hendrik Fay]

So you can show the world that you are ignorant?
300E has electro mechanical injection.

Hendrik

Alex Chamberlain wrote:


What I really like is the badge on the back of some '80s-'90s
Cadillacs, about three inches long, which proudly announces
ELECTRONIC FUEL INJECTION in a very solemn serif typeface.  If
anyone finds one of those on their next PnP trip and sends it to me I
will gladly pay you a few bucks for your time---I'd like to stick one
on the back of the POS 300E.  ;)

Alex


  



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Re: [MBZ] Danish ad

[Peter T. Arnold]

Knowing that, I didnot open it.

Honest

Pete

On 1/25/2010 4:37 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

relng...@aol.com wrote:

ONE HUNDRED PERCENT OF MEN VIEWING THIS COMMERCIAL SAY:

I have no idea what they are selling, but I'll have 10!!

http://www.m2film.dk/fleggaard/trailer2.swf


Wrong list, I think.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Danish ad with scantily dressed ladies

[Hendrik Fay]

Keeping it as evidence of what Roger does on those long, cold nights up 
in Seattle.


Hendrik
with short, warm nights

WILTON wrote:

But I bet he didn't delete it yet.  ;

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Hendrik  Fay 
heni...@ozemail.com.au

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:28 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Danish ad with scantily dressed ladies



I think they are selling breast enlargement procedures.
I suppose no one bothered to spot the mistake.

Hendrik
who only watched the ad once.honest

relng...@aol.com wrote:

ONE HUNDRED PERCENT OF MEN VIEWING THIS COMMERCIAL SAY:

I have no idea what they are selling, but I'll have 10!!

http://www.m2film.dk/fleggaard/trailer2.swf






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Re: [MBZ] Lost prime in traffic

[Kevin Kraly]

Tank screen, air in the lines, out of Diesel?  Have you tried disconnecting 
the tank plumbing and putting the lines into a can of Diesel to see if you 
can get it started?


Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon 



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Re: [MBZ] Danish ad with scantily dressed ladies

[Mitch Haley]

Hendrik  Fay wrote:

I think they are selling breast enlargement procedures.
I suppose no one bothered to spot the mistake.


There were a lot of implants in that commercial, weren't there?

What was the mistake, other than the tiny splash in the pool, and the live 
person climbing out? No goggles?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] danish

[RELNGSON]

 ...Wrong list, I think...
 
Not at all.

RLE
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Danish ad

[Michael Esh]

That was beautiful!

On Jan 25, 2010, at 3:38 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:


ONE HUNDRED PERCENT OF MEN VIEWING THIS COMMERCIAL SAY:

I have no idea what they are selling, but I'll have 10!!

http://www.m2film.dk/fleggaard/trailer2.swf


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Re: [MBZ] Lost prime in traffic

[Gary Hurst]

my guess would be tank screen, although if it was about to totally clog i'd
imagine that it would not just suddenly die without some degradation of
performance beforehand.  you can't start it at all?  you have fuel?  you
tried to restart it just after it died and nothing?  etc

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:23 PM, hue wong wong_...@yahoo.com wrote:


 Hi all1

 I wanted to tap the collective wisdom of the group.

 Yesterday my 300td dropped off in traffic.  just going down the road and it
 acted like it lost fuel and chugged out.

 I hadn't been driving it so I assumed it was plugged fuel filters, but I
 swapped them out this morning but nothing.

 Could the lines from the tank be fouled?  Is there an easy way to fix that
  (the car is stranded ont eh side of the road as I figure this out.)


 I't feels like I have lost prime, as I pump the priming handle onthe engine
 it doesn't seem to build up pressure



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Re: [MBZ] Danish ad

[Allan Streib]

You guys must be refreshing that page so much that you killed the server.  It's 
not loading at present.

Allan

On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:04 -0500, Michael Esh michael...@me.com wrote:
 That was beautiful!
 
 On Jan 25, 2010, at 3:38 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:
 
  ONE HUNDRED PERCENT OF MEN VIEWING THIS COMMERCIAL SAY:
 
  I have no idea what they are selling, but I'll have 10!!
 
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Re: [MBZ] FI

[Gary Hurst]

much burning magnesium.  it was pretty much a disaster

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  ...What I really like is the badge on the back of some '80s-'90s
  Cadillacs, about three inches long, which proudly announces
  ELECTRONIC FUEL INJECTION in a very solemn serif typeface
 
 As though it were big deal.

 Seems to me the first German electronic injection was in the 1968 VW
 Squareback  Fastback. Well before MB or Porsche.

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Re: [MBZ] FI

[Peter Frederick]

Bosch D-Jet.  Introduced in 1968 by German manufactures (VW, MB,  
Porsche, possibley Audi) and used by others shortly -- specifically  
Volvo.  All the same system in various forms.


Mechanical fuel injection was introduced by MB in the 300SL  
Gullwing in 1953, using essentially the same system as was used in  
the DB-601 -- direct injection with the injector covered by the  
piston during combustion to reduce carbon accumulation.  Injectors  
are in the side of the block.


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Re: [MBZ] Lost prime in traffic

[Peter Frederick]

If you still have the red-handled screw down type pump, it's probably  
leaking.  Tank could be empty too -- it's not impossible for the fuel  
sender to stick


Check the fuel lines -- if they are wet with fuel, they are leaking  
air and you can pump until the end of time and it won't prime.


Fill the filter with fresh diesel, too -- you may get old trying to  
start it otherwise.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Lost prime in traffic

[Dieselhead]

You may have a combination of things.  a small air leak can become no 
fuel in combination with a plugged tank screen.  Here is my 
suggestion:


If you have more than 1/4 tank of fuel:  on the left inner frame rail 
the fuel and return fuel lines com up from under the car.  Loosen the 
clamps on both.  pull off the hoses and swap them.  tighten the 
clamps.
Then try the primer pump.  If the lines to the tank are dry, it can 
take quite a while to pull fuel up to the primer pump.
If this works and you get fuel, you have a plugged tank screen.  You 
will be able to drive it for a while at least.  If it sat through the 
summer, I would guess you have algae in the fuel.  You can buy and 
algicide at a marine store.  Use the shock level treatment  Carry 
spare filters, and change them when the engine is starving.


I am assuming this is a 123 300TD, since you said it had a primer 
pump.  The other part of the equation is to change all the rubber 
hoses from the tank to the transfer pump.  a leak in the hose at the 
tank can also cause no fuel.  the hoses will let air in, but not leak 
fuel, or only be damp, not dripping.  If you have not done so 
recently, you should drain the tank, pull off the hose above the 
Right axle, remove the body plug.  Then you can see the hex of the 
fuel drain/screen/pickup.  It takes a big 3/4 drive socket to 
loosen.  remove the plug and screen.  Clean the screen.  Put a new 
oring on the plug, reassemble.  Then put on a new fuel hose.  the OE 
from Rusty is the best.   Being cheap, I cut the ferrules off the old 
hose and reuse the fittings with a chunk of new hose and a hose clamp


Then replace the hose for the return line. Check the steel tubing for 
any signs of corrosion, especially under the clamps.  A rust spot can 
also let air in , but not leak fuel.  If you find rust scale, replace 
the steel line.  Then replace the hose under the hood from the steel 
line to the prefilter, from the prefilter to the transfer pump, and 
the rest of the rubber hoses.


The other likely culprit is the primer pump.  They often leak, and if 
they leak, it allows air into the system and that means fuel is not 
drawn from the tank.  If you have used it recently, and it did not 
leak fuel, bubble or hiss, then it may be good.


Good luck.



Hi all1

I wanted to tap the collective wisdom of the group.

Yesterday my 300td dropped off in traffic.  just going down the road 
and it acted like it lost fuel and chugged out.


I hadn't been driving it so I assumed it was plugged fuel filters, 
but I swapped them out this morning but nothing.


Could the lines from the tank be fouled?  Is there an easy way to 
fix that  (the car is stranded ont eh side of the road as I figure 
this out.)



I't feels like I have lost prime, as I pump the priming handle onthe 
engine it doesn't seem to build up pressure




Any thoughts are welcome.





 


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Re: [MBZ] FI

[Dieselhead]

Good info.  Thanks  Didn't the 300d (Adenauer) also get the Einspritz 
3 liter engine from the SL?  I thought some of them were injected.


Bosch D-Jet.  Introduced in 1968 by German manufactures (VW, MB, 
Porsche, possibley Audi) and used by others shortly -- specifically 
Volvo.  All the same system in various forms.


Mechanical fuel injection was introduced by MB in the 300SL 
Gullwing in 1953, using essentially the same system as was used in 
the DB-601 -- direct injection with the injector covered by the 
piston during combustion to reduce carbon accumulation.  Injectors 
are in the side of the block.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Lost prime in traffic

[hue wong]

Seems like there may be air in it.   After pondering it a bit I'm now leaning 
towards tank screen  

Just got it towed home and tomorrows project is to flush and run some freash 
fuel through the system.

In the light, the fuel almost looks black (oil black) in the inline filter 
so.I guess the lesson here is to not let a tank of gas sit for two 
years






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--- On Mon, 1/25/10, Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net wrote:

 From: Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lost prime in traffic
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 3:22 PM
 Tank screen, air in the lines, out of
 Diesel?  Have you tried disconnecting the tank plumbing
 and putting the lines into a can of Diesel to see if you can
 get it started?
 
 Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon 
 
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Re: [MBZ] '76 300D in Michigan

[Redghost]

I am going to think it is just serendipity that has kept me from a  
flaming death in these red cars.   I grant you that SWMBA has no  
history of red car accidents.  She cares not what colour it can be  
crashed at will.


clay



On Jan 25, 2010, at 7:23 AM, R A Bennell wrote:


2 comments.

1. an old cheap red car can become whatever color you like fairly  
inexpensively. Maybe not perfectly, but certainly

cheaply.

2. It sounds to me like red cars have saved your hide a number of  
times. Maybe you should always drive red cars. My
son's sax teacher was in 2 serious accidents while driving Ford  
SUV's - first a Bronco and then an Explorer. He
refused to have another and bought a Nissan Pathfinder. I suggested  
to him that he should be thankful that the

Ford's saved him twice. He had not thought of it in that manner.

Randy

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Redghost
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 6:47 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '76 300D in Michigan


I have had three and all three were truck attracting menaces.  The 72
Audi was first sideswiped and landed in a ditch, which crumpled the
under bits of the trunk.  I had it repaired, and while driving it two
weeks out of the shop, a truck nicked it on the tail (police move to
spin the car) and then the L beam on the back caught the trunk and
ripped it off just above the fuel door.  I had just filled the tank.

Red 79 rabbit was pinned to a parking post when a pickup lost its
parking brake and rolled down the ramp in the garage.

89 Toyota PU was accordianed by a dame in her furd exploder because
she was in a hurry to get to her BF and on the phone.  I was stopped
at a red light, with five other cars ahead of me.  Think she hit at
35mph, since the bed buckled up 9 inches.

No red cars for me

clay



On Jan 24, 2010, at 4:03 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:


I knew about getting stopped for speeding in red cars, (don't ask me
how I
know!), but have never before heard of the proclivity of red cars to
get
totaled or kill people.

Greg

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]
On Behalf Of Redghost
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:56 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '76 300D in Michigan

But it is RED.  I am very averse to red cars because every red car I
have owned has tried to make me dead.  They seem to attract totaling
by insurance people after impacts with trucks.  How the hell do you
not see a red car?

clay


On Jan 24, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Mountain Man wrote:


clay wrote:

Too bad it is red, or I would jump all over that


You want someone to drive it west?
Cost of fuel plus train home - participation in lodging?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Lost prime in traffic

[hue wong]

ahhh super good stuff.  thanks a million.  I'll run down this list tomorrow .   
I did notice one of the clamps on the inline fuel line was wore through and I 
cut it off and re tightened it down, but now I'm suspicious of the rest of the 
hoses...






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--- On Mon, 1/25/10, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lost prime in traffic
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 5:07 PM
 You may have a combination of
 things.  a small air leak can become no fuel in
 combination with a plugged tank screen.  Here is my
 suggestion:
 
 If you have more than 1/4 tank of fuel:  on the left
 inner frame rail the fuel and return fuel lines com up from
 under the car.  Loosen the clamps on both.  pull
 off the hoses and swap them.  tighten the clamps.
 Then try the primer pump.  If the lines to the tank
 are dry, it can take quite a while to pull fuel up to the
 primer pump.
 If this works and you get fuel, you have a plugged tank
 screen.  You will be able to drive it for a while at
 least.  If it sat through the summer, I would guess you
 have algae in the fuel.  You can buy and algicide at a
 marine store.  Use the shock level treatment 
 Carry spare filters, and change them when the engine is
 starving.
 
 I am assuming this is a 123 300TD, since you said it had a
 primer pump.  The other part of the equation is to
 change all the rubber hoses from the tank to the transfer
 pump.  a leak in the hose at the tank can also cause no
 fuel.  the hoses will let air in, but not leak fuel, or
 only be damp, not dripping.  If you have not done so
 recently, you should drain the tank, pull off the hose above
 the Right axle, remove the body plug.  Then you can see
 the hex of the fuel drain/screen/pickup.  It takes a
 big 3/4 drive socket to loosen.  remove the plug and
 screen.  Clean the screen.  Put a new oring on the
 plug, reassemble.  Then put on a new fuel hose. 
 the OE from Rusty is the best.   Being cheap,
 I cut the ferrules off the old hose and reuse the fittings
 with a chunk of new hose and a hose clamp
 
 Then replace the hose for the return line. Check the steel
 tubing for any signs of corrosion, especially under the
 clamps.  A rust spot can also let air in , but not leak
 fuel.  If you find rust scale, replace the steel
 line.  Then replace the hose under the hood from the
 steel line to the prefilter, from the prefilter to the
 transfer pump, and the rest of the rubber hoses.
 
 The other likely culprit is the primer pump.  They
 often leak, and if they leak, it allows air into the system
 and that means fuel is not drawn from the tank.  If you
 have used it recently, and it did not leak fuel, bubble or
 hiss, then it may be good.
 
 Good luck.
 
 
  Hi all1
  
  I wanted to tap the collective wisdom of the group.
  
  Yesterday my 300td dropped off in traffic.  just
 going down the road and it acted like it lost fuel and
 chugged out.
  
  I hadn't been driving it so I assumed it was plugged
 fuel filters, but I swapped them out this morning but
 nothing.
  
  Could the lines from the tank be fouled?  Is
 there an easy way to fix that  (the car is stranded ont
 eh side of the road as I figure this out.)
  
  
  I't feels like I have lost prime, as I pump the
 priming handle onthe engine it doesn't seem to build up
 pressure
  
  
  
  Any thoughts are welcome.
  
  
  
  
  
       
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Re: [MBZ] danish

[Mountain Man]

RLE wrote:
 ...Wrong list, I think...

 Not at all.

Washing Machines?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] FI

[Gary Hurst]

that was a whole different deal -- mechanical injectino pump like an old
diesel

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 Good info.  Thanks  Didn't the 300d (Adenauer) also get the Einspritz 3
 liter engine from the SL?  I thought some of them were injected.


  Bosch D-Jet.  Introduced in 1968 by German manufactures (VW, MB, Porsche,
 possibley Audi) and used by others shortly -- specifically Volvo.  All the
 same system in various forms.

 Mechanical fuel injection was introduced by MB in the 300SL Gullwing in
 1953, using essentially the same system as was used in the DB-601 -- direct
 injection with the injector covered by the piston during combustion to
 reduce carbon accumulation.  Injectors are in the side of the block.

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Re: [MBZ] HELP--MASSIVE OIL LEAK

[Dan Weeks]

Well the anecdotal verdict is running heavily in favor of an oil  
cooler line, with one dissenter suggesting possible ring failure. I'm  
delighted, and hope the majority is right.


THanks, all, for weighing in--I'll let you know what my indy finds.  
Just as soon as the blizzard stops, and a tow truck is available (I'm  
thinking the middle of next week, at this point!)


Dan
82 300SD

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[MBZ] Early FI

[Dan Weeks]

On Jan 25, 2010, at 5:04 PM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote:


Seems to me the first German electronic injection was in the 1968 VW
Squareback  Fastback. Well before MB or Porsche.


That was '66 at least. My grandfather had a squareback so equipped of  
that year. Horrible--a gas pedal that was essentially a 3 position  
switch. But, it did work.


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Re: [MBZ] Danish ad

[Redghost]

I liked it

clay

On Jan 25, 2010, at 1:37 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:


relng...@aol.com wrote:

ONE HUNDRED PERCENT OF MEN VIEWING THIS COMMERCIAL SAY:

I have no idea what they are selling, but I'll have 10!!

http://www.m2film.dk/fleggaard/trailer2.swf


Wrong list, I think.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Car advice

[OK Don]

A couple of quotes:

Just say no.

Friends don't let friends buy BMWs.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote:

 I have a dilemma.  I found a 2000 BMW 528i with only 58,000 miles that a
 friend of mine is selling.   The Loan value is $8400 (retail is $11,900).  I
 had a friend of mine who is at a dealership check the auction prices.  These
 same cars are bringing $6-6500 at AUCTION with around 60-70,000 miles.

 It is very clean and in great shape EXCEPT, it has a scrape on the rear
 fender/bumper where the seller scraped their brick mailbox.  It doesn't look
 terrible. But, in order to make it perfect, it will have to be painted
 because the scratch is into the paint.  The car has been serviced at the
 local dealer since it was new; I called the dealership to confirm the
 service history.  It had the big expensive service deal done at 40,000
 miles.  The last oil change at the dealer was done in June of 2008 when it
 had 56,000 miles. Its a one owner car.

 The seller wants $7500.  But, we haven't even tried to negotiate.  My indy
 (who also sells cars at his shop) says I should try to buy it for no more
 than $6000.  I am really torn because it is a very nice car with low miles.
  But, I don't need another car payment (I owe money on my Wife's
 Expedition).  I might be able to turn around and sell it quickly.  In fact,
 my indy says he could put it on his lot and sell it for $7500 pretty
 quickly.  OR, do I buy it and drive it and try to sell my car?  My car
 (which I really like) would probably only sell for about $4000.

 Donald H. Snook


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 OK Don
 Panic! (the national past time).

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Re: [MBZ] oh my goodness..

[RELNGSON]

 What was the mistake, other than the tiny splash in the pool, and the 
 live
 person climbing out? No goggles?
 
 Mitch...
 
Considering your pursed lips disapproval, you seemed to have examined it 
closely.

Now, back to clogged screens and vacuum leaks.

RLE

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Re: [MBZ] electronics

[RELNGSON]

 .Bosch D-Jet.  Introduced in 1968 by German manufactures (VW, MB, 
 Porsche, possibley Audi) and used by others shortly -- specifically 
 Volvo.  All the same system in various forms
 
The 914-4, a 1970 model, used a form of this. The 911 and 944/968 never 
did. Can't recall what the 928 used.

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] Car advice

[Dieselhead]

Buy the new one, put them both up for sale.  If the old one sells 
first drive the new one until it sells, then buy a MB.  There is a 95 
E320 for sale.  Looks pretty good from 10 feet.  It is not a rust 
belt car.
Or call up OK don and see if he will sell his 2.5 for the combined 
sale price of both bimmers.

Or you can call me up and I might sell one of mine
Or you can buy Craig's 300D
Or you can buy Gump

I have a dilemma.  I found a 2000 BMW 528i with only 58,000 miles 
that a friend of mine is selling.   The Loan value is $8400 (retail 
is $11,900).  I had a friend of mine who is at a dealership check 
the auction prices.  These same cars are bringing $6-6500 at AUCTION 
with around 60-70,000 miles.


It is very clean and in great shape EXCEPT, it has a scrape on the 
rear fender/bumper where the seller scraped their brick mailbox.  It 
doesn't look terrible. But, in order to make it perfect, it will 
have to be painted because the scratch is into the paint.  The car 
has been serviced at the local dealer since it was new; I called the 
dealership to confirm the service history.  It had the big expensive 
service deal done at 40,000 miles.  The last oil change at the 
dealer was done in June of 2008 when it had 56,000 miles. Its a one 
owner car.


The seller wants $7500.  But, we haven't even tried to negotiate. 
My indy (who also sells cars at his shop) says I should try to buy 
it for no more than $6000.  I am really torn because it is a very 
nice car with low miles.  But, I don't need another car payment (I 
owe money on my Wife's Expedition).  I might be able to turn around 
and sell it quickly.  In fact, my indy says he could put it on his 
lot and sell it for $7500 pretty quickly.  OR, do I buy it and drive 
it and try to sell my car?  My car (which I really like) would 
probably only sell for about $4000.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Lost prime in traffic

[Dieselhead]

Black indicates algae.  It plugged your tank screen.  Buy the 
algicide/biocide at a marine store and put the prescribed dosage in 
the tank.  Reversing the hoses (After biocide is in the tank) at the 
front frame rail (see my earlier post) will at least temporarily 
clean out the tank screen.  Check to see that the new prefilter is 
flowing.



Seems like there may be air in it.   After pondering it a bit I'm 
now leaning towards tank screen 

Just got it towed home and tomorrows project is to flush and run 
some freash fuel through the system.


In the light, the fuel almost looks black (oil black) in the inline 
filter so.I guess the lesson here is to not let a tank 
of gas sit for two years







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--- On Mon, 1/25/10, Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net wrote:


 From: Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lost prime in traffic
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 3:22 PM
 Tank screen, air in the lines, out of
 Diesel?  Have you tried disconnecting the tank plumbing
 and putting the lines into a can of Diesel to see if you can
 get it started?

 Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon

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Re: [MBZ] electronics

[Peter Frederick]

D-Jet pretty much vanished after 1972 in the US since it's difficult  
to meet CO and unburned hydrocarbon limits using only manifold  
pressure as an air metering system without an O2 sensor.  Everyone  
switched to K-Jet, and then later to LH-Jet when reliable electronic  
airflow meters became available.


I would guess the 928 had K-Jet after 1972.  Don't know for sure,  
though.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] danish

[Dieselhead]

Woger thought the side of the plane said Porche.  After all, this IS 
the porche list, isn't it?




RLE wrote:

 ...Wrong list, I think...


 Not at all.


Washing Machines?
mao


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Re: [MBZ] OT: measuring Power Factor

[Craig McCluskey]

On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:02:19 -0600 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 I can get amps with a clamp-on, volts with a voltmeter.  Is there any 
 way to determine watts without rewiring a wattmeter inline? 

Shut off other loads, record your house's kilowatt-hour meter's reading,
run your load for awhile, record the meter's reading again, subtract the
two and divide by the time.


 If I have to rewire, then I could use two kill-a-watts with leads and 
 clamps.

That will probably work.


Craig

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[MBZ] W123 280CE

[Allan Streib]

This would have an M110 right?

http://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/1568907114.html

Allan
--
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] OT: measuring Power Factor

[Jim Cathey]

Can you put on an ampprobe (clamp-on) to measure amps and measure 
volts with a different meter (simultaneously) and use that data to do 
the calculation?


No.  That gives you volt-amps, which is watts only if you assume
a 1.0 power factor.  You have to do the multiplication on a
cycle-by-cycle basis, using the instantaneous value of one
datum at the peak instant of the other, in order to calculate
the true wattage (and power factor).  Or average them through
the cycle, for true RMS.

It's tricky, in other words.  That's what's so slick about
the Kill-a-Watt, it's quite cheap for something that actually
does this.

If you can get a dual-trace oscilloscope picture of both the
voltage and amperage waveforms, superimposed, you can calculate
the degrees of shift between the peaks and get a power factor
that way.  That assumes a fairly sine-like current waveform,
which is no guarantee.  You multiply this power factor by the
volt-amp reading to get watts.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Battery drain, 86 SDL

[Jim Cathey]

My $2.99 HF VOM fluctuates between 64 and 65 ma.
Is that enough drain to cause a problem?


Sounds a bit on the high side.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT: measuring Power Factor

[Jim Cathey]

What I want to do is determine PF at hardwired 240 1 phase devices, 
such as central air cond. compressor/condensor units.  The Kill-A-Watt 
is great for 110v devices.  Is there any low-cost way to do that?


I designed a wattmeter circuit for the big generator, but I
haven't built it yet.  You could prototype it for me!  It might
not work, of course...

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1984 230E and 300E with EFI

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 1:33 AM, Hendrik  Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
 So you can show the world that you are ignorant?
 300E has electro mechanical injection.

Somebody missed the joke.

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