Scott Burns needs to boot this guy off the MOPO list unless
'j...@cinepost' gets his auto-responder act together, like, right *now*.
It's obvious this joe doesn't have a clue to running his email program
or proper etiquette when joining a listserve like MOPO. It is *joe's*
reponsiblity to put
Bruce,
Huh? You just *today* sent us a post telling us how much you sold in
total during the first two installments of your current auction! Rod
didn't crow about an individual poster sale, he simply mentioned he had
sold a batch of 1,000 cards for a $20,000 total. No different from what
you
Rick,
I like the British Quads as well (so do European collectors... don't
know why they don't get more demand here in the colonies). Talk about
posters that have different artwork from the U.S. version... and unlike
other 'foreign' posters, they's all writ in plain English, too!
-- JR
Rick,
What, they don't like 30x40 British Quads?
I know, I know Quads ain't vertical I can understand the big
impact that a 40x60 brings to the wall space (yet still more manageable
than a 3-sheet) generating collector enthusiasm, but I'm perplexed
people would get all hot over
I don't quite get the objections being raised to Rod making this deal.
No one complains when Bruce or Heritage announce that they just sold a
poster for 3 or 4 times what it goes for on eBay. In fact they make such
sales fairly regularly. Rod obviously had a customer with a request for
lots of
Um... OK... the quality of Todd Spoor's book notwithstanding (I'm sure
it is excellent and I agree the hobby needed a book on this subject)...
let's not go overboard. While they were sometimes used as large lobby
standees, the 40x60 card stock posters were created primarily for
*outside*
Nah, destroying any old art/collectible that has managed to survive into
the current era is just flat out criminal. But there's no reason not to
do as many on this list have suggested: Keep a couple for yourself and
trickle out the rest very slowly into the market. This is so obvious
you'd
Absolutely. The Chaykin is only actor to perfectly capture Rex Stout's
character with all of Wolfe's subtleties, excesses and contradictions. I
can't recommend the NERO WOLFE video series highly enough.
-- JR
Paul Friedman wrote:
He was a great Nero Wolf.
Paul
-Original Message-
Kevin,
Newer is not always better. In fact it is often worse. The fact that you
would even make such a suggestion shows you clearly don't understand (or
don't value) the convenience of having posts come directly into your
personal inbox with no effort required on your part -- and being able
This is scheduled to start happening in the U.S. in just a little over a
year (2012). There is a strong movement afoot in governments all over
the world to stop letting all this online commerce continue to go on
without the appropriate taxes being paid. The global recession has
increased the
David,
Thanks. How weird that you were able to get twice what Heritage could at
open auction with a straight Buy-It-Now ploy on Ebay. I guess it shows
there are some well-heeled buyers who still cruise Ebay but for some
reason don't necessarily follow Heritage auctions. Everyone agrees movie
lady with nothing else to do
remark.
You are just not informed.
Brude (Ted)
--- On *Thu, 7/29/10, James Richard /jrl...@mediabearonline.com/* wrote:
From: James Richard jrl...@mediabearonline.com
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Hitler... there was a painter! He could paint
an entire apartment
So would the rest of us... at least the missing card -- if it *is*
missing. Is it possible they only put out a 7-card set?
-- JR
James Gresham wrote:
Hey Todd, I do still need to figure out the complete set. so, if you
do have the images I would love to see them! Jim
--
Jim Gresham
18501
Hmmm... seems Rick and Ron are kind of tied for the top horror story so
far. At least we can put some kind of dollar value on Rick's missed
treasure... but, on the other hand, who knows how many super-great
posters were among the thousands in the cellar of the burnt-out
theater that Ron missed
Michael,
A sad tale, but all too familiar. I'm sure something similar happened to
many of us, particularly when we were younger and out stuff was subject
to the whims of parents. I moved around a lot in my late teens and
twenties and once stupidly left a trunk of my stuff at a friends house
!
Pov
May the holes in your collection be filled.
--- On *Sun, 7/25/10, James Richard /jrl...@mediabearonline.com/* wrote:
From: James Richard jrl...@mediabearonline.com
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Tales Of Lost Treasure - You Got One?
To: Michael Spampinato poverty...@pacbell.net
Cc: MoPo-L
CGC seems to be saying something like We vill make up our own
definitions und you *vill* like it!
Their use of the word Vintage as a definition is not in accordance
with that word's use in either the English language or in any
collecting, antique, hobby or related industry. The word vintage
Dave,
Get the most out of right now and never fail to enjoy as much of it as
you can, because you are currently living through what will inevitably
become your own good old days that you will be moaning about decades
from now. Trust me on this... :)
-- JR
Dave Rosen wrote:
You're right,
If there is a way to put online photos of the 7 cards together so that I
(and others) could see them as a group, that might trigger a memory of
the missing scene. Worth a shot.
--- JR
Richard Evans wrote:
Not me sorry, but I do find this fascinating.
Can I ask, what it was that they
Peter,
I would tend to agree with your feeling that poster collecting is not
expanding, logic seems to indicate it, but on the other hand you see
some stuff that can't be otherwise explained. An example would be
original posters for the Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings films. The
prices
David,
OK, looked at from that perspective what you said makes a kind of sense.
Except I have a hard time seeing it that way. A professionally-restored
poster that appears to be in C9 condition actually becomes a C9 to
virtually everyone as a practical matter. We all know that a really good
My sentiments exactly. Not that it matters as far as the wireless
generation is concerned. Obviously. Every day I feel more and more like
the Edward G. Robinson character in SOYLENT GREEN...
-- JR
Bruce Hershenson wrote: What do you guys this of this NY Times Op Ed column?
Tweet Less, Kiss
David,
Your example logic is faulty: An unrestored poster in C7 condition is
essentially the same as the restored poster in C7 condition. If a C7
were fully restored on linen by a pro it would be considered at least
a C9 or C10 (although some claim a poster that has been restored can
never
I love this sort of law... like, say I'm running a business and I buy
from my local Wall-Mart more than $600 per year worth of office/computer
supplies and equipment. So now I have to issue a 1099 form to Wal-Mart?
I guess they will exempt big corporations from this provision, because,
as we
Bruce,
You are right that widespread slabbing of desirable movie paper would
attract more investor types and so, yes, it could happen here. But
let's be honest: It already has happened here, even without slabbing.
The incredible run up in the prices over the past 10 years of many of
the most
This is ploy to get everyone to pay everything with PayPal. Since
Ebuggers owns PayPal (and the link the PAY NOT button on your what I
won on ebay page to PayPal IF you pay with PayPal the payment is
automatically filed. The seller does not have to do it. Otherwise, you
may get hassled. An
Channing,
There is a serious recession on and it is affecting collectible prices
across the board. I am picking up collectibles in all fields on Ebay for
20% to 30% of what they were routinely going for 5 years ago. Those who
deny the severity of this recession are simply in, well, denial.
Peter,
Well said, well-organized and you covered it. I understand that Grey is
under pressure to do something about preventing any possible future
repeat of the Haggard Affair, but handing our hobby over to CGC is just
not the way to do it. A more sensible approach would have been
If this is Heritage's solution to the recent problems with high-quality
fake lobby cards, I am not impressed.
The Captain has nailed what many others have been only circling around
with this topic: Once something has been slabbed, you *cannot* open it
without invalidating the certificate. So,
Grey,
I hear some say, Oh, I can't touch it so I wouldn't want it! Do you
not have a pair of scissors? Cut the card out of the slab and frame it
with the saved grading label put on the back of the frame! You know what
you have bought!! If you go to sell it, either the potential buyer or
I just Bought It Now for the heck of it. I've never seen the Portal
version, maybe it will be better quality than the repro that Moviegoods
and others routinely sell for $20. I note that the seller really didn't
claim it was an original just that it was a vintage poster. This has
become a
Rick,
Aw, c'mon... some of the Mexican paper is really quite spectacular -- a
fair amount of it has striking, unique imagery you don't find anywhere
else. Ever take a look at the Mexican lobby cards for the original
release of the 1953 WAR OF THE WORLDS? Far better than the bland U.S. set.
This is a real life mega-disaster in our own backyard folks, not
politics or chit-chat. Everyone needs to go to this URL and play the
oil-spill map animation. Several times. First watch what happens along
the coast. Then watch closely what happens in the *middle* of the Gulf,
particularly in
Tom,
I've experienced the same. And worse, most of the time the person you
hold the door open for does not even say thank you (or say anything
for that matter). When I'm in the line at the store checkout, if I've
got a lot of items in my cart and someone comes up behind me holding
just one
This seems to be the nature of the perverse beast that is Ebay. I've
been buying a lot of old plastic model kits lately on Ebay (a new
nostalgia binge for me) and I noticed something very much like what you
describe:
1) There are a bunch of brick-and-mortar hobby shops that now sell
online
Now I've never met Todd... I only know him from this list.
But he's great.
He's fantastic.
He's the greatest thing since white bread...
...oops, I hope Todd's not black (as I said, I never met him). If you
are black, Todd, no offense meant by the white bread thing...
But, hey, if I did
Todd,Grey and others:
It's a shame the Lincoln Center Library has not made those archives
available online. Unless one lives in the NYC area, it's not much use,
even though tens of thousands of pressbooks is impressive. I'm willing
to bet there is a system for automatically digitizing
Bruce,
I've often wondered why there isn't a photo database of pressbooks.
Naturally, of particular interest would be the 1 or 2 pages of the
pressbook where all the variations of the poster for the film were shown.
In fact, I'd be willing to create one and set it up so individuals could
Rick,
There's also a lesson for sellers (and owners): If you come across a
previously unknown treasure trove of valuable rare material, don't go
shouting it to the world and trying to sell it all on the market at one
time (thus depressing prices). Dribble it out one item at a time,
slowly,
I'm writing from my backstage seat to express confusion and
bewilderment: Ed... Sue... what gives? You've always been very
supportive of the public forum and made tons of info available to the
public... you were instrumental in following the legal twists and turns
of these interlocking cases
Glenn,
The NSS no longer exists and since the only posters that were identified
as belonging to anyone were those printed by the NSS (which plainly
stated in the bottom margin that the poster must be returned to the
NSS), I would say there is no longer any recourse for any company to
claim
Since most everyone else on MoPo seems to be content for it to read like
a movie theme park version of Twitter these days, I'm going to exit
stage left... Anyone who needs to can email me direct. I'll check back
via the archives from time to time to see if things get any more
interesting in
An interesting exercise, I thought. Since I'm goofing off this afternoon
I will take them from the top:
THE MATRIX starring Will Smith instead of Keanu Reeves -- would have
worked just as well. Despite its cult status and the fact that I loved
the film, the role of Nero was that of a
I think we've already seen that, without the Maria robotrix in the
image, that this is overpriced.
-- JR
Andy Neal wrote:
Tres Bien!
Andy Neal
www.movieposterforum.com
On 2010-04-26 07:40:02 +0100 flixs...@aol.com wrote:
The worst villain: Twitter, for infesting other places like MoPo with
the attitude that the uber-short post is king, and resulting in at least
24 less-than-140-character posts hitting MoPo in only 1 hour! Including
this one... oops, did that take me over 140 characters?
Runner up for worst
I will reiterate my opinion of several weeks ago. I think Scott's
guidelines for what is and is not acceptable for posting on MOPO -- as
they existed in the MoPo FAQ posted at www.filmfan.com at the beginning
of this year -- were excellent. The level of enforcement of those
guidelines from
Phil,
Nice to see someone finally get nabbed and fined for shill bidding on
his own stuff -- but I wonder, is the law (and specific fine) the
article references strictly something that applies in the U.K.? I don't
recall seeing any such law (and specific fine) in the U.S. eBay rules.
-- JR
Gary,
There are already several realtime sales databases for movie posters
available:
For eBay Sales:
http://www.icollectmovieposters.com/start-sold/
For all the sales Bruce has made through emovieposter.com:
http://www.emovieposter.com/sales/priceguide.php?myfrom=menu
For all the sales
Hmmm... and impressive total of personal ratings (although I wonder: How
did he rate 9,200 movies when he says he has only seen 7,000 of them)?
But his ratings amount to only one man's opinion of those films, whereas
you can go to a place like IMdb.com and see a rating on just about any
film
Hi, Neil:
There is a FAQ about this list and its etiquette maintained by the list
owner, Scott Burns, at http://www.filmfan.com/
... click on the link in the left-hand menu at that site -- where it
says MoPo Mailing List FAQ. Section 1 of the FAQ contains all you need
to know.
-- JR
Neil
Doug,
Man, pull your head out of the sand or wherever you've got it stashed
and stop blithering. There was nothing whatsoever strange about the way
the bidding went. It is called an *auction*, Doug, and this is what
happens when two people want the same item and they each think if they
just
What happened to the recent real estate price bubble -- and happens to
all bubbles of every type, from stocks to tulips -- is that a group of
people convince themselves that prices are *always* going to go up
because this time is different and there is only a very limited supply
of X while
It's entirely possible that the guy who filed the suit is, in fact, a
used car salesman -- and that is why he took such umbrage! But no,
seriously, the comment did not violate Ebay feedback rules. I don't have
inclination to look it up, but I think there's a clause in the Ebay
User's Agreement
Rudy,
Wow... someone is suing someone over the value of lobby standees? What a
strange world... Anyway, while I love seeing standees in lobbies, every
time I've been offered one I decided to take a pass simply because they
take up so much floor space -- you have to have a pretty large house
Well, for me, that's all the original CLASH was -- an enjoyable bit of
fun -- I always regarded it was one of the lesser Schneer/Harryhausen
collaborations anyway, just a notch above the boring GOLDEN VOYAGE OF
SINBAD sequel. It seems a strange choice for a big-budget remake to me,
but then
Sue,
I loved your writeup on the old theater. It brought back one of my
favorite recurring sense-memories that seem more real than the hear and
now... of the times I walked out of the balcony at the grand old Fox
Theater movie palace in Pomona, California (now also restored to its
former
Hmmm... that link seems to take me to not to a site about the Stanford
Theater, but simply a directory of movie-related links going by the name
Standford Theater. However, a quick search turned up a couple of sites
with to a nice selection of pictures of the inside and outside of the
restored
*From:* James Richard jrl...@mediabearonline.com
*To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
*Sent:* Mon, April 5, 2010 4:48:11 PM
*Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Clash of the Titans in supposed 3D
Yep,
It was the industry's rush to cheaply capitalize on the last 3D market
It's nice people have such faith in the CGC, but for a million dollar
book, a forger could spend $100,000 making his fake and still turn a
huge profit. I'm willing to bet that if someone put $100,000 into
creating an Action #1 forgery that it could be made to pass CGC muster.
But forgetting
I don't know nuthin' 'bout makin' no fake comics, Miss Scarlett... but
it sho wouldn't surprise me none to heah that for a $million dollars
that some skilled forgers out there have tried their hands at creating a
few extra copies of some choice titles (just for their own personal use,
you
Yep,
It was the industry's rush to cheaply capitalize on the last 3D market
that killed it -- they put out all kinds of really bad films that took
little or no advantage of the 3D effect and then advertised them as the
Ultimate 3D Experience. Theater goers get burned on a couple of those
and
Kirby (and Diane, of course),
This is an outstanding article -- it should be mandatory reading for
anyone who collects vintage movie posters.
-- JR
Kirby McDaniel wrote:
Thanks, Diane, for your participation.
Happy Easter to all from Kirby, Steve, and David at MovieArt.
A fascinating article with a lot of stuff I'd never known before -- and
completely ON topic, since it is about a movie star and the films he
made. Heck, there are even quite a few nice pictures of movie posters in
the piece. It's difficult for people to remember than in the 1950's and
early
Did I miss a memo? How was Harryhausen involved in the 27TH DAY?
-- JR
rodxmorgan wrote:
Original Ray Harryhausen Movie Cards
The first number following each title represents the number of cards
available.
Email me with your selections, and I will respond with prices.
clash of the
Naturally, diffuse sunlight will cause less fading than direct sunlight,
but over time it will have a noticeable effect. Light-fading varies
wildly between old posters: Some are incredibly sensitive to fading,
others hold up better. The vibrant reds and oranges and yellow of old
posters are
I thought Sue would respond to the idea using glass in a poster frame,
but I guess she's busy so I'll chime in for her. I do hope when people
are talking about glass in this discussion that they are talking about
UV-blocking plexiglass and NOT regular glass, right?
Regular glass should never
-quiet listowner.
Scott
*From:* MoPo List *On Behalf Of *James Richard
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:25 PM
*Subject:* Re: [MOPO] everybody back on topic, please!
Andy,
Yeah, it's nice
Andy,
Yeah, it's nice to be easy going about the on-topic rule -- the problem
is it doesn't stop with the occasional off-topic message. First, the
message will often stand a thread of off-topic replies. Worse, somebody
on sees an off-topic thread thread going on and so decides, since they
I got called a grouch for mentioning a post was off-topic a few weeks
back and so have kept my mouth shut about the ever-increasing number of
off-topic posts flying around MOPO these days. Besides being off-topic,
most aren't even vaguely interesting.
However, they *are* clogging up my inbox
Bruce,
Your off the cuff estimation of the number of emovieposter buyers who
are willing to spend x-amount on any single poster is fascinating. I
hope one of these days you'll be able to use your database to formalize
this analysis a bit. You sense that maybe only 10% of all buyers would
I gotta agree with Grey on this. By definition a re-release is a
secondary release of the film that takes place *after* the film's
initial run has been completed and it has not be generally available for
viewing at the theaters for at least a few months (usually years). Since
2001 was in
/in/douglasbtaylor
*From:* MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] *On Behalf
Of *James Richard
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 17, 2010 4:41 AM
*To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
*Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Best Picture Oscars and others
Rich,
And let's not forget
.
Regards
DBT
Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/douglasbtaylor
*From:* MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] *On
Behalf Of *James Richard
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 17, 2010 4:41 AM
*To:* MoPo-L
Glenn,
I hope the film does well. I don't think you've mentioned... are you
happy with the way your writing ended up being translated to film?
-- JR
Tom Martin wrote:
good going Glenn!!
Break a leg
best , Tom
Toochis Morin wrote:
I'm so sorry I can't make it. I'm in NYC that day but I
Is there a betting pool going on what the METROPOLIS poster will go for
this weekend at Heritage?
I'm thinking around $200,000 (since it is only an insert and doesn't
actually have the image of the robot-Maria on it).
http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=7019Lot_No=85446
Rich,
And let's not forget THE ENGLISH PATIENT winning best picture...
That's when I stopped paying much attention to the Oscars.
-- JR
Richard Halegua Comic Art wrote:
the answer is simple the awards are not entirely accomplishment
based. They are frequently an emotional response by
a dollar in 5 years. FRANC
-Original Message-
From: MoPo List [ mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On
Behalf Of James Richard
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 3:55 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] So much for new posters
Let's not forget that in the opening credits to the 1933 film, Kong
himself is listed on screen as King Kong - The Eighth Wonder of the
World and that is also how the character Carl Denham ballyhoos Kong's
debut appearance in New York City in the film.
Given that the phrase appeared at least
Diane,
It is so sad, and such an indictment of our broken legal system, that
you have to hassle with this because you did the right thing and went
public with what you knew about a crooked client's attempt to perpetrate
fraud. What's next, burglars suing the owners of a home they were
This is the point in time -- as the interest in the movie has just
peaked and it has won its awards -- that the general public is most
interested in picking up a poster for the film and hanging it on the
wall. So, naturally, prices are at their peak as well.
Just as naturally, the studio
I love how this seller goes on about how one of these posters went for
$1200 bucks on Ebay 2 years ago and then puts a Buy It Now price of $700
on this one. A mixed message to say the least.
-- JR
rixpost...@aol.com wrote:
Hi, Everyone,
Sorry, I put the WRONG LINK. Here's the RIGHT
Flamin' hilarious...
-- JR
Richard Halegua Comic Art wrote:
Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com
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How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List
It took 2 years to get the first 400 registered members of
MoviePosterBid. Bringing it up to 1700 in just 3 additional years is an
impressive accomplishment. Rich is not only to be congratulated on that,
but also on having a tenacity and drive which rivals that of Bruce H
himself.
-- JR
I can imagine there are daily meetings in Hollywood discussing which
films to convert to fake 3D and re-release to make some quick bucks.
Inevitably they will do a lot of this -- not that many films will
benefit much from it and so it will probably be a fad that only last for
a few years.
Rich,
Where did you hear that? It's true that AVATAR was originally conceived
in 1994, but everything I've seen indicates that once the technology was
proven that Cameron decided shoot the live action with the digital 3-D
Fusion Camera System, developed by Cameron and Vince Pace. See the
.
Can't wait to one day stream the color 3D version!
It may be a fad but this time it looks like the industry is more
behind it.
Especially for games.
3D TVs are here and of course will come down in price.
MH
On Mar 9, 2010, at 11:30 AM, James Richard wrote:
I can imagine there are daily meetings
This idea that unemployment is a lagging indicator is the biggest (and
longest-running) prevarication of all the myriad lies being pushed by
the government with the cheer-leading assistance of the news media.
Since consumers drive sales (at any level you care to name), if there
are more and
It's obvious Ms. Corday is now a senile old woman whom a blood-sucking
lawyer has got his hooks into and he has convinced her she needs to
continue paying him to keep doing this (and monitoring Ebay for
violations) in order to protect her legacy (small and insignificant
as it may be). It's
Peter,
No, of course she has no legal ground to stand on here -- when Mara
Corday did the movies she signed releases with the studios giving them
total ownership and control over her name and likeness in conjunction
with making, distributing and publicizing these films. These posters and
I understand she is running on a platform of returning fiscal
responsibility to the state.
Hmmm... given what she's already spent on her campaign so far, I have to
ask: What's wrong with this picture?
-- JR
channinglylethomson wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEtV4YxfXho
This ad
Andy,
I said this privately to you the other day, but you apparently ignored
my advice. Now I'm saying it publicly:
Why don't you knock it off? You had absolutely no business dragging your
little MPF feud over here to MOPO and I, for one, don't want to hear
about it. How about you keep your
Yes, but YOU were the one who first brought the whole thing up. YOU
opened the MPF can of worms here on MOPO and YOU should NOT have done
that. You should have kept the MPF stuff on MPF.
-- JR
Andy wrote:
You see this is half the problem sometimes, it's agreed to move on and stop
talking
Since this is off-topic week at MOPO, I thought I'd do my bit.
So I am passing on this snippet of research information I came across
today... we are clearly at the end of days:
Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in
waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the
Rick,
It's an unfortunate but inevitable aspect of doing business on Ebay...
but, actually, it's truly amazing you managed to go a full 12 years
without getting hit by several of these dumb newbie screw-ups. I got two
within my first two years of selling on Ebay -- and I offered a
Andy,
While that's a good rule of thumb where independent and small websites
are concerned, one is usually pretty safe (not always) going to the
websites of the major newspapers and sites like those of the BBC and CNN
(*not* Fox News). That's for current/breaking information. For past
www.movieart.net http://www.movieart.net
mobile 512 589 5112
On Feb 19, 2010, at 1:04 AM, James Richard wrote:
Can anyone explain to this old due, who obviously just doesn't get
it these days, *why* Tarantino chose to misspell the word Bastards
in his film's title? Or is he just doing his
Peter,
OK, now you're deliberately baiting me by misspelling bastard that way
in a post that has nothing to do with the Taranteeno movie, right?
-- JR
P Molitor wrote:
Scrosese also writes about the slendid basterd Saul Bass and his movie
posters in this month's Architectural Digest. Worth
Get serious guys, the actor who plays Sinatra in the film has to look
like the *young* Frank Sinatra, not the guy who just died a few years
back. They will need to start with young old blue eyes, hot and dynamic,
then age him through the years as the film progresses. That requirement
scratches
Michael,
No. Unless PayPal has changed its user agreement lately (and I've not
heard that it has), they will get you a full refund in cash if you
immediately log in to your PayPal account, click on Resolution Center
and then click on Report a Problem -- and then on the form tell them
that
Well, since I've already been accused of knocking AVATAR when I was
actually one of the first to post a rave review about it -- as well as
not having really thought about it when I wished aloud that its
predictable script and cardboard villains had not been quite so
predicate or quite so
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