on here ... Einstein / Goldilocks / Anthropic ... ?
http://www.psybertron.org/?p=3589
Ian
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:09 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
That's one expensive book ($90), and out-of-stock. Too bad,
I'd love to read it.
On Oct 28, 2010, at 9:05 AM, MarshaV wrote
Many thanks Platt beat me to it ;-)
Ian
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 4:04 PM, platthol...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Marsha,
You can download a copy. For information, go to:
http://sciencesfirstmistake.wordpress.com/free-download/
Platt
On 28 Oct 2010 at 9:09, MarshaV wrote:
That's one
In what way is Ian Angell's home page religious fanaticism Adrie ?!?!
Ian
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 4:21 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER parser...@gmail.com wrote:
http://is2.lse.ac.uk/IanAngell/papers/First%20Mistake/Religion.htm
Religious Fanatism, angell's home page.
2010/10/28 Ian Glendinning
, nothing works in this space without balance.
Ian
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 5:13 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER parser...@gmail.com wrote:
Its one big-barnum event to spread the gospel.
him and christmas are all over the place.
Its a creationist of the bad kind, trying to ridicule science.
sent from my arse
Interesting sounding Thinking Allowed later today.
... are most scientific claims little more than delusions? The
Professor of Information Systems, Ian Angell talks about his
co-authored book 'Science's First Mistake' which critiques science's
claims to 'truth'.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes
(or theological) questions
about creation of the universe.
Scientists, like SOMists in general, seem to prefer to argue with
religious wingnuts than do science. Sad.
Ian
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On 24 Oct 2010, at 18:05, Steven Peterson peterson.st...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi Mark,
[Mark
And Steve, science is irrelevant to creation.
(I see no value in debating what design / designer means BTW)
Ian
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Steven Peterson
peterson.st...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi 118,
Steve:
Intelligent design doesn't require a God but it does require a
designer. ID
or theological) has nothing to do with
science ever, not even in principle.
How hard can it be ?
Ian
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Steven Peterson
peterson.st...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Ian,
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Ian Glendinning
ian.glendinn...@gmail.com wrote:
And Steve, science
It's not you I'm getting at by the way Steve ... (the level of
wingnuttiness around here means you're one of those it's possible to
have an enlightened conversation with).
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Steven Peterson
peterson.st...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Ian,
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:52 AM
the distinction. I'm gonna have to go back to
using scare quotes. I didn't use that word originally. Evolution and
creation are distinct. The former is legitimately scientific, the
latter isn't.
Let's start there. And you can read what I posted, from the top.
Ian
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On 25
Nothing wrong with politics Platt, just partisan politics that is a
product of SOMism. Left right left right left right subject object
subject object Zz
Noticed you didn't bother to respond when I started a thread on
pragmatic capitalism.
But I expect I'm a pinko. Sorry
Ian
.
The quality of argument itself. Each to his own.
Ian
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On 25 Oct 2010, at 19:31, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote:
Ian said:
Nothing wrong with politics Platt, just partisan politics that is a
product of SOMism. Left right left right left right subject object
Yes but that's just a truism Craig. Let's up our game guys. Ian
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On 25 Oct 2010, at 19:58, craig...@comcast.net wrote:
[Steve]
No evidence could ever confirm [ID] since it is impossible to even
imagine evidence that could ever be inconsistent with it. Unless we
can say
You're an arsehole too Platt, but fortunately not all arseholes are
created equal.
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On 25 Oct 2010, at 22:42, Platt Holden platthol...@gmail.com wrote:
What DMB always leaves out (for obvious reasons) is that Pirsig,
after saying all that about the intellectual
Pity the user didn't benefit from intelligent design too :-)
Sorry Horse - I'll stop now.
Ian
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On 25 Oct 2010, at 22:12, platthol...@gmail.com wrote:
Let's up our game to scientific evidence, guys. A basic article of
scientific
faith is that there exists an orderly world
to work, since it is not possible for SOMism to
be complete and consistent internally. SOM is the institution that
needs breaking.
Ian
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Horse ho...@darkstar.uk.net wrote:
Hi Mark
Horse
On 23/10/2010 06:01, 118 wrote:
Hi Horse,
Now, I am not a historian but I
,
right, left, right dichotomise away stormtroopers.
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It's only an argument if you want it to be. Left, right, left, right,
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What kind of controls does the US place on its private (health)
insurance companies ?
Ian
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 3:55 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Ian,
What kind of controls does the UK place on its private insurance carriers?
Thanks,
Mark
On Sun, Oct 24
No Mark, he he, you first.
You asked the question specifically about the UK situation, implying
it was different to the normal US situation in some way significant.
Seemed to me you were making a rhetorical point.
Ian
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On 25 Oct 2010, at 04:57, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com
to find middle ways.
This whole thread is a fine example of brains wasted on word games
manure by any other name would smell as bad in efforts to win
arguments. Win ! Some never learn. IMHO natch.
A pox on both your houses, pinkos and rednecks.
Ian
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 6:16 AM, 118 ununocti
Which is utterly irrelevant to the point as you know Craig.
(The earth's sun, this solar system, our home.)
Ian
(and they call me smart-ass)
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:49 AM, craig...@comcast.net wrote:
[Ian]
If science is right it appears Copernicus was right all along,
and the Earth really
Then I consider that significant agreement Mark.
(Generally on here if one points out problems with science one is
accused of being either anti-intellectual or pro-theistic-religion,
both of which are separate issues.)
Ian
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:42 AM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote
.
(ie I'm with Steve on pragmatic anti-skepticism)
The sad thing is that most science claims to be scientific - in the
emprically falsifiable kinda way - whereas in practice most scientific
theory and scientists are far from scientific. Neurotic.
Ian
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:15 AM, 118 ununocti
Steve,
This is exactly the same point as the other thread ...
Science has no values. Not officially
As you say Pirsig's point was not to put science down, but to point out
where it needed to improve its act. Pragmatic anti-skepticism, as you said
in the other thread.
Ian
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010
Stop Press ... Hot News
Andre to Platt
Platt, you are avoiding the question I asked
Regards ;-)
Ian
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Andre Broersen andrebroer...@gmail.comwrote:
Platt to Andre:
Rather it's the Muslim ayatollahs who, in the name of Allah, promote
murder.
Andre
I shall have to switch emoticons if ;-) is all knowing
Anything is possible, agreed ;-o
Ian
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:26 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Ian,
And it could be the question is a red herring and not
worthy of an answer. It might be, and I'm not saying
If science is right it appears Copernicus was right all along, and the Earth
really is the centre of the universe.
http://www.psybertron.org/?p=3589
(Clue - science is wrong - shock, horror ;-o )
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Look Marsha, that's a dirty strawman trick is there any question I was
asked that I'm avoiding ?
Ian
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:33 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Or if it's not, anything is possible too, especially your
brand of avoidance.
On Oct 20, 2010, at 5:30 AM, Ian
Hi Marsha,
The Wallace book, I've heard of, but ...
Resurrect it - what's it ?
Whose comments on what programme ?
Regards
Ian
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:37 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Ian,
The Wallace book 'Choosing Reality' was enlightening. It will take
much more than a Hawking
Hi Marsha,
I'll treat aren't you cute as a rhetorical question, not requiring an
answer.
If I'm wrong, do let me know.
Now back to the universe ...
Ian
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:41 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
After looking I can only say 'Aren't you cute!'
The archives are chocked
Hi Andre ... again, all old news, but yes.
BTW I love the US and Americans in general.
Platt is a whole 'nother animal, very un-American in my experience.
Ian
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Andre Broersen andrebroer...@gmail.comwrote:
Ian:
Stop Press ... Hot News
Andre to Platt
to spread awareness of the
problem.
Ian
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:05 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Sorry. I meant science. It will take much more than
Hawking hawking its theories to resurrect science to
an exalted position.
On Oct 20, 2010, at 5:55 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote
. (In doing so, I do risk appearing not to support
the first argument but nothing could be further from the truth.)
If I wrote so dmb could understand me, I think our differences would be
purely tactical - choosing our battlegrounds.
Standing by for DMB's ridicule.
Ian
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11
it showed how little sincerity had
to do with Christianity.
Ian
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:11 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Ian,
I see the hope in the enigma, that science is beyond making sense.
It might be a time for a paradigm shift in thinking. There's hints and hope.
I love
Stanley Hauerwas is US top theologian hence the irony ?
http://stanleyhauerwas.blogspot.com/
Very interesting discussion with him on the BBC on Monday.
http://www.psybertron.org/?p=3582
Ian
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:45 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
I do not know who Stanley
such.
Reality is indeed some middle position. Our stories are all part of
some larger whole.
Ian
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:30 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Ian,
I listened to the BBC discussion. The whole thing made me
uncomfortable. Save me from God, religion and Humanism,
but more than
Hi Platt, you said
[Emergence] only describes what happened.
Which is good surely, ie it's honest and empirical ?
Any explanation that doesn't would therefore be dishonest.
Ian
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:45 PM, platthol...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Mark,
Well said. Science constantly ascribes
pundits - in order to progress the debate.
Currently reading Karen Armstrong.
http://www.psybertron.org/?p=3567
http://www.psybertron.org/?p=3329
Ian
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Ian Glendinning
ian.glendinn...@gmail.com wrote:
Exactly Marsha, me too,
Which is why I noted it as highly
of
my journey.
Ian
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:39 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Oct 20, 2010, at 9:07 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
And even Baroness Warnock, devout Christian theist and erstwhile
critic of Pirsig - her new book / agenda is precisely about keep
religion out of politics
Yes, but we're just back to a debate on the meaning of the word
explain, how, why, etc.
Which is where we started 8 years ago Platt, and I'm more interested
in honesty than word games.
Ian
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Platt Holden platthol...@gmail.com wrote:
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My dream too, Steve.
Ian
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Steven Peterson
peterson.st...@gmail.com wrote:
Steve:
What spiritual matters are you talking about? Harris embraces a new
spiritual rationality that recognizes that science presupposes values
and can apply its reason to study values
is to
be disparaged.
It's why I cited Talbot (not Capra) incidentally - Capra does push the
boundaries a bit far (even for a MoQist) in his Holographic Universe.
Unfortunately Talbot doesn't seem to have the PR agent that Capra has,
but his writing is better ... and he's a Brit ;-)
Ian
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3
Seriously though, starting afresh, for anyone interested in failings
of new physics and big bang creation theories, there are several
worthwhile links in this piece .
http://www.psybertron.org/?p=3589
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On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:27 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Ian,
I would suggest to view science as an expression of morality and study it
that way. My view of the progress of science is through a falsification
methodology. I do not think it can progress otherwise
] Ditto (emoticon of face with the expression of wonder and
disdain).
Mark
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:37 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Ian,
The Wallace book 'Choosing Reality' was enlightening. It will take
much more than a Hawking to resurrect it. It's hard to keep from
laughing at his
?
The leaders are followers too shoulders of giants, etc.
Ian
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:50 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote:
Ian and Marsha and whomever,
All this treatment of the scientific method as if it were some foreign
beast. When you stick your hand in the shower to check
, the dishonesty, the neurosis.
Ian
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:02 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote:
Ian,
I am not sure of the percentage you give to scientist for allowing in the
subjective; it is common in particle physics these days. But I would agree
with the intent of the statement. Most
according to its methods.
I guess I'm missing some point you're making to Steve ?
Ian
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 6:45 AM, craig...@comcast.net wrote:
[Steve]
science can have something to say about at least some moral questions
.
But if there are some moral questions that science can't answer
and just do it. (But
you'd probably draw the line at them poking you in the eye with a sharp
stick ? You wouldn't like it, so you probably wouldn't do it
proactively.)
Ian
PS not sure why it's news that there is a lot of crap in the bible ?
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 5:41 PM, 118 ununocti
Just word games Steve,
I agree Facts always presuppose values such as standards for
what ought to count as a fact
That's the sense in which I meant they are different categories of thing.
Ian
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Steven Peterson
peterson.st...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Ian,
Ian
And, Craig, Horse,
Apart from hoping people recognize harm when they (don't) see it, this is
simply the golden rule do as you would be done by ... core to the origins
of many (most) moral traditions.
Ian
On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Horse ho...@darkstar.uk.net wrote:
Hi Craig
What you
not be done by if you prefer. It's a proactive
statement about living life.
Who's the cynic ?
Ian
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Andre Broersen andrebroer...@gmail.comwrote:
Ian to Craig and Horse:
Apart from hoping people recognize harm when they (don't) see it, this is
simply the golden
it's one of my Catch22's. Even though MoQ is neither
idealist nor scientific-materialist it is necessary to be able discuss (if
not define) it in those terms, since they are the prevailing mind-sets in
the westernised world in need of having its mind changed.
Regards
Ian
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010
Marsa, Ron,
You talking about Choosing Reality by this book Marsha ?
(As opposed to Vescio's introduction in Pragmatism mentioned by Ron.
My edition has an intro by A J Ayer, Ron ? Which do you have ?)
Ian
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 4:04 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
I'd love to hear
Ah, German bagpipes, you gotta love 'em.
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 10:42 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Hey, this one is for Krimel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIQiSZdX8vAfeature=related
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You posted a band of Germans playing bagpipes. What's not to get ?
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On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:01 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Hi Ian,
I can't seem to find the album that contains 'Douce dame jolie'.
Would you know?
Not sure about the 'German bagpipes' comment.
Marsha
I liked it. What's more to say ?
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:06 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
I'm just a girl, and don't see the significance. What is it?
On Oct 8, 2010, at 6:04 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
Huh,
You posted a band of Germans playing bagpipes. What's not to get
I will indeed be reading it sometime soon. Thanks Steve.
Also, Dave (Thomas) mentioned Karen Armstrong's TED Talk a few months
ago. I'm just reading her latest The Case For God looks
promising for a more balanced view of religion's place in the moral
landscape.
Ian
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1
Reading this article, I couldn't help recalling Pirsig's introductory
piece in Liverpool about the word fair in the English language.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-11492207
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Unforts I was in US earlier in the week (in Philly), but being back in
the UK now, I can't see the TV feed for the Daily Show. (Need to track
down the UK channel 4 highlights I guess.)
Ian
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 3:27 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Hi Steve, Ian,
Rumor has
John Stewart is one sharp guy, again.
Ian
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Ian Glendinning
ian.glendinn...@gmail.com wrote:
It turns up in the UK as the Oct 5th highlights package on C4OD.
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart/4od#3126165
Ian
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010
Interesting to listen to Ha-Joon Chang.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00tt60h
(Also a religion vs science piece in the same edition of Thinking Allowed.)
Ian
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Ham Priday hampd...@verizon.net wrote:
Greetings Platt, Marsha, John and All --
On Sept 23 at 4:08
around comes around.
Ian
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:09 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Dave,
Maybe when quantum philosophy weds Neurophilosophy? What kind of
circumstances will cause that divine marriage?
Marsha
p.s. For those fans of Noam Chomsky. He's being interviewed today
experiment for viewing possibilities.)
Ian
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 3:37 PM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote:
Ian said:
I can't see what it says to John's point about the redundancy ( non
pragmatism ) of multiverses / many worlds ?
dmb says:
Did John have a point about
Hi dmb
I take it that is a typo in the final James quote ... is rather than
in ?
Your post despite the two large wiki quotes is a response to John -
also quoted. I can't see what it says to John's point about the
redundancy ( non pragmatism ) of multiverses / many worlds ?
Ian
On 24
to a MoQish judge)
Ian
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 8:43 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
Ian and Andre, I am convinced.
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Andre Broersen
andrebroer...@gmail.comwrote:
Ian to dmb:
I'm not convinced that Pirsig's replacement of causation between
objects
In fact a corollary.
Causation is the easiest explanation for anything, unfortunately it's
a fallacy - so it's not a very high quality explanation.
(Great to get back to the real issues on MD.)
Ian
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ian.glendinn...@gmail.com wrote:
John, Andre
that the
weirdness of explaining causation is tangled up with having only a
vague conceptualization of what time itself is. Paul Turner wrote some
good stuff on this from a Buddhist perspective - causation as
dependent arising. I must dig it up.
Ian
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 5:01 PM, david buchanan
Ron,
Wish I'd said that.
Ian
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If by personal freedom you mean fucking your mother and murdering
your father, eating your own shit and shoving food up your ass
and being the biggest selfish dickhole on the planet,..
give me
Hi Steve, not sure about the Plato / appearances bit, but from I
suspect that he thinks that ... onwards I totally agree.
Ian
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Hi John, Horse, Marsha,
I hesitate to conclude that Hawking
DMB
Pot kettle was my immediate reaction too.
Ian
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Platt said to dmb:
Excellent use of the Alinsky tactic of demonizing those you disagree
with by using ridicule in order to avoid serious debate
Hi Krim,
When has Ian called for Horse to act, recently or otherwise, when the
subject was not already Horse proposing to act?
And for the record, since you mention them, I spent considerable
effort on and offline defending both Bradford / Loggins and Maxwell /
Squonk from exclusion
Excellent again Arlo. You really have put some thought into this.
Ian
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[Krimel]
I am not at all sure what topical boundaries one could put around
a metaphysics.
[Arlo]
I think we have a lot of leeway here
Call me old fashioned, but is MILF the kind of term MoQers use to the
fairer sex ?
Ian
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ADRIE KINTZIGER parser...@gmail.com wrote:
Nigella cooks tonight, what a milf !!, i just love the way she
licks her
for you either Marsha, which is the only
reason you were mentioned ?
DMB's style is dmb's style, on or offlist. Like his style or not, he's
consistent.
Ian
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Hi John,
I can only wonder at what other kind of offlist
-
interpreting as Machiavellian or manipulative is in the eyes of a
recipient with attitude, rather than the sender, 9 times out of 10.
Ian
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On 13 Sep 2010, at 12:01, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Hey Ian,
Not meaning to offend, isn't your Bad news in private, good news
Yes clearly Marsha.
Your head / heart / hands / (tools) is just shorthand for the four
levels - ratio / socio / bio / phys - patterns of value all.
Ian
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On 13 Sep 2010, at 12:23, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Aren't some Value connected to the heart? Or is the heart
Yes, explicitly in what I said.
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On 13 Sep 2010, at 12:53, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Do you have heart attached to any particular level(s)?No heart
connected experiences beyond and unattached from the static?
On Sep 13, 2010, at 7:38 AM, Ian wrote:
Yes
.
Neither is imune from the difficult decision. Both have to conserve
budgets as opportunity to spend on alternatives. Only one has to hold
back funds for shareholder profit dividends.
Now, what was the question ?
Ian
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On 13 Sep 2010, at 16:35, platthol...@gmail.com wrote
I said it was propaganda. I also say surrendering health care is
propaganda.
If you ain't reading the replies you do get, what's the point ?
Ian
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On 13 Sep 2010, at 17:31, platthol...@gmail.com wrote:
Horse,
Who says death panel is propaganda? Who says it's emotive
And Marsha you just aimed a trashy little insult at dmb. You got a
personal problem, take it offline, to the moderator ... Or a confidant.
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On 13 Sep 2010, at 17:00, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Horse,
Having been on the receiving end of one of dmb's trashy little
:-) Not silence Krim, appropriate channels, my opinion. I explained
explicitly - personal problems / insults - md is the wrong channel.
Ps people do not have the right to say whatever they want
Ian
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Since when have
.
Ian
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On 13 Sep 2010, at 19:01, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree with you Marsha, although with my own perspective and a bit
of extra
intensity. I think in all things that ultimately, an open source
society
holds the key to many ills. Men hide because
Krim,
Gimme one example of bitching about topics raised. I've barely
corresponded recently, until last day or so.
You'll have to decode all that coding stuff. I use shorthand for
brevity, not to offend, on the basis that we have a lot of dialogue
behind us already.
Ian
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Hooray for Arlo.
(Ian being brief, and entering circumstantially imposed silent period.)
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On 13 Sep 2010, at 19:24, Arlo Bensinger ajb...@psu.edu wrote:
[Krimel]
People here have a right to say whatever the hell they want; at
least until recently when people are being
before elaborating.
Best use of both our time (I hope).
Ian
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On 13 Sep 2010, at 20:06, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote:
Ian said to Krimel:
You'll have to decode all that coding stuff. I use shorthand for
brevity, not to offend, on the basis that we have
Dmb,
PS glad to hear you don't consider evolutionary psychology to be a
discredited subject.
I learned something today. Thanks.
Ian
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On 13 Sep 2010, at 20:06, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote:
Ian said to Krimel:
You'll have to decode all that coding stuff
Platt,
Who cares who was making the objection, so long as the argument
remains valid ?
Ian
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On 13 Sep 2010, at 21:50, Platt Holden platthol...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for the reference. I shall do as you suggest to see who was
raising
objections to the term, death
argument would support
... values are spread across all four levels and endless dynamic
possibilities besides if you were serious about leaving the
pernicious propaganda and misrepresentation behind.
Ian
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 4:38 PM, platthol...@gmail.com wrote:
Ian:
The question is: What does
http://science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/scientific-method10.htm
Enjoy
Ian
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care about the divide. In my experience they range from
the whatever to the vehement, just like we grey beards do, only we
should know better.
Ian
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 8:53 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Btw, I was listening to an interview with Garry Parsons who
was a coauthor
.
The two sides need integration (a la Parker-Follett) not division and
reinforcement (eg by better definitions).
Ian
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 10:43 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Sep 12, 2010, at 5:28 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
http://science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/scientific
I stopped being horrified 8 or so years ago Marsha (I read Pirsig)
now I prefer to find things I can do about it ;-)
Ian
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 11:05 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Sep 12, 2010, at 5:52 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
Hi Steve, Marsha, I keep hearing clips and trailers
-biological bottom half of the story. Doh ! How perfectly the
story fits.
Ian
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:08 PM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote:
steve said to all:
20 years after Lila, I wonder how it would be read by someone new to Pirsig.
Would the ideas seem relevent? As we get more
Marsha there you go again with the (accidental - I hope) personal attacks.
Aimed explicitly at me And a little enlightenment would help
(exclamation mark) !.
Take care ;-)
Ian
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 11:09 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Sep 12, 2010, at 5:56 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote
Marsha,
Emphasizing that a named person could do with some enlightenment IS a
personal attack.
But since I genuinely believe you do get it, I'm pretty sure it was accidental.
As I said take care (smiley) :-)
Ian
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 11:20 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Ian
I don't recall arguing about exclamation marks, but if you're looking
things up in dictionaries to support arguments, I may have to revise
my opinion.
OK, so you don't get it - happier ?
Ian
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 11:31 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Ian,
An exclamation mark may be used
Hi Ron
Mythos has power - no argument
Observation is cool - no argument
Did I get your point ?
Ian
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 1:01 PM, X Acto xa...@rocketmail.com wrote:
Ian,
The power of mythos.
cool observation
-Ron
- Original Message
From: Ian Glendinning ian.glendinn
Ron,
Only in a wingnut kinda way.
Cool observation.
Ian
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 1:19 PM, X Acto xa...@rocketmail.com wrote:
All,
Who the hell is Laramie Loewen and why does he/she associate me with the FBI.
WTF
STOP! is this wingnut threatening any of you guys?
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