Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-20 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 11:24:17AM -0500, Joseph A. Caputo wrote: On Wednesday 16 February 2005 11:09, Tom Hughes wrote: Well I've got a Leadtek Winfast A180BT GeForce MX4000 which is NV18 and the TV encoder on that certainly blows chunks. I'm using a sync Thanks, it's nice to have another

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-17 Thread Jeroen Brosens
Tom Hughes wrote: The mode lines I'm using are: ModeLine 704x576pali 13.6 704 728 792 872 576 581 586 625 -hsync -vsync interlace ModeLine 720x576pali 13.9 720 744 808 888 576 581 586 625 -hsync -vsync interlace They seem to work OK on my set - scrolling up/down certainly

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-17 Thread Cory Papenfuss
I finished the VGA-SCART converter... It finally worked after re-soldering some resistors (the vga2scart website mentions pin 18 as GND where it should be 17, Composite Sync GND) and using you working modeline for 720x576. Despite the promised improvement I found the image quality to be

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Cory Papenfuss
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, Minh Duong wrote: Does the FX5200 cards have mpeg2 hardware decoders? nVidia's site isn't clear on this. I think that some of them might, but I think it's only on the mobile versions. Anybody got any info on this? No, but XvMC is a partial MPEG2 decoder. It helps reduce

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread PAUL WILLIAMSON
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2/16/2005 7:47:21 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2/16/2005 6:08:56 AM On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, Minh Duong wrote: Does the FX5200 cards have mpeg2 hardware decoders? nVidia's site isn't clear on this. I think that some of them might, but I think it's only on the mobile versions.

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Cory Papenfuss
I've spent literally years trying to get the g400 to look picture perfect under framebuffer/X/matroxset and have never succeeded. If you know anything more, I would love to hear about it. TVout solutions are a wildcard with any card. Most suck and are unknown as far as how they operate

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Donavan Stanley
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:31:54 -0500, Brian J. Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah. OSD. On-screen-display. Perhaps you thought that by OSD I only meant the few overlays that pop-up over playing video. No. By OSD I mean the whole On-screen-display. So rather than follow established

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 07:59 -0500, Cory Papenfuss wrote: TVout solutions are a wildcard with any card. Most suck and are unknown as far as how they operate internally. That is true, for most, but not for the g400 -- with DirectFB. I understand what you are saying about the unknown

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 08:28 -0500, Donavan Stanley wrote: So rather than follow established terminology Established where? Here? I guess I have not been hanging out here long enough to know that while the world of set-top-boxes calls the display that it shows on the TV the OSD, myth folks

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Michael J. Lynch
Brian J. Murrell wrote: snip ModeLine coryntsci 14.3 720 760 824 910 480 484 492 525 interlace I will try that. But I have found that one modeline for one brand of video card just does not work with other video cards, so unless this is for a g400 specifically, I won't get my hopes up.

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Jeroen Brosens
Cory Papenfuss wrote: TVout solutions are a wildcard with any card. Most suck and are unknown as far as how they operate internally. I just recently found out that the TV-out of SiS chipsets (many, many HTPC barebones use them) are not capable of outputting interlaced material. Quite an

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Greg Cope
So what chipsets/cards do ouput interlaced? Greg ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Cory Papenfuss
Actually, the 5200 *does* have an mpeg-2 decoder on the card. This was confirmed by a couple users onthis list a few months ago. Also, nVidia has stated that the FX series cards are equipped with mpeg-2 decoders. I believe the drivers take advantage of that as well. OK... I learn

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread PAUL WILLIAMSON
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2/16/2005 9:12:54 AM Actually, the 5200 *does* have an mpeg-2 decoder on the card. This was confirmed by a couple users onthis list a few months ago. Also, nVidia has stated that the FX series cards are equipped with mpeg-2 decoders. I believe the drivers take advantage of

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Jeroen Brosens
Brian J. Murrell wrote: On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 08:28 -0500, Donavan Stanley wrote: So rather than follow established terminology you invent your own and expect everyone else to follow along? Pretty much everyone understand that an OSD refers to UI that's overlayed on the video

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Cory Papenfuss
That is true, for most, but not for the g400 -- with DirectFB. I understand what you are saying about the unknown (rather undocumented) internal operations, but one of the DirectFB developers did some great work for the g400 and utilized it's tv-encoder as it is supposed to be, producing a

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Cory Papenfuss
I just recently found out that the TV-out of SiS chipsets (many, many HTPC barebones use them) are not capable of outputting interlaced material. Quite an important thing if you want picture perfect I'd say. I am trying to get the modeline right That cannot be correct, since TVOUT is defined

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 09:52 -0500, Cory Papenfuss wrote: Some of them can suck less, and may in fact be quite good. What I am saying is that unless you run a genlocked, synchronous 29.97 resolution with a 1:1 pixel-mapped input/output characteristic So, before we get into another

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Donavan Stanley
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:25:31 -0500, Brian J. Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to defend against your claims that my definition of OSD is out of my ass and contrary to what everyone thinks it is would a definition from the wikipedia be good enough for you?

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Ryszard
Hey let's all play a fun game, let's all start calling books on paper displays and get all pissy when someone says what the fuck are you talking about?. roflmao... :-) chuckle, chortle and all that. ___ mythtv-users mailing list

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Joseph A. Caputo
On Wednesday 16 February 2005 10:03, Cory Papenfuss wrote: I've got an NVidia card (MX-400) with such a horrendously crappy tvout chip on it, the most I ever see is 240 lines. The chip just plain blows chunks. Cory, just curious, what TV encoder chip does your Nvidia card use? My old

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Greg Estabrooks
But also, the price difference is $30 Canadian for me to get either card. The 250 is $199 at BestBuy and the 350 is $230 for me from my Dude, check out Staples. They regularly sell the 250's for $149 CDN. ___ mythtv-users mailing list

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Michael J. Lynch
Jeroen Brosens wrote: snip . I must disappoint you here; first of all I have massive respect to Thomas Winischhofer, the developer/maintainer of the X driver for SiS chipsets, he has a well documented website on which he elaboralety describes every driver option that he squeezed out of the SiS

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Thom Paine
On Wed, 2005-16-02 at 11:40 -0400, Greg Estabrooks wrote: But also, the price difference is $30 Canadian for me to get either card. The 250 is $199 at BestBuy and the 350 is $230 for me from my Dude, check out Staples. They regularly sell the 250's for $149 CDN. Sweet. I'll grab one of

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Jeroen Brosens
Michael J. Lynch wrote: Jeroen Brosens wrote: snip I must disappoint you here; first of all I have massive respect to Thomas Winischhofer, the developer/maintainer of the X driver for SiS chipsets, he has a well documented website on which he elaboralety describes every driver option that he

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Jeroen Brosens
Tom Hughes wrote: snip Well I've got a Leadtek Winfast A180BT GeForce MX4000 which is NV18 and the TV encoder on that certainly blows chunks. I'm using a sync converter on the VGA output to drive a RGB input on the TV now so I don't care, but when I tried the S-Video output it was horrible.

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Joseph A. Caputo
On Wednesday 16 February 2005 11:09, Tom Hughes wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Joseph A. Caputo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cory, just curious, what TV encoder chip does your Nvidia card use? My old LeadTek GF4MX-420 card used an NV17 TV encoder and the output was

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Tom Hughes
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeroen Brosens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Hughes wrote: snip Well I've got a Leadtek Winfast A180BT GeForce MX4000 which is NV18 and the TV encoder on that certainly blows chunks. I'm using a sync converter on the VGA output to drive a RGB input on the

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Cory Papenfuss
That cannot be correct, since TVOUT is defined to be interlaced. Now, if you meant to say that it cannot play both fields of a interlaced content, I may believe that. I've got an NVidia card (MX-400) with such a horrendously crappy tvout chip on it, the most I ever see is 240 lines. The

RE: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Greg Miller
This is the most interesting thread I've followed for a long time. For what it's worth I am running Mythtv with DVB in Canada and gave up on getting good quality s-video out. I also have an Expressvu PVR that gives Excellent picture quality and it has become the benchmark. The problem with the PVR

RE: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 10:21 -0700, Greg Miller wrote: This is the most interesting thread I've followed for a long time. For what it's worth I am running Mythtv with DVB in Canada How are you capturing the DVB signal in Canada? Expressvu is (apparently) encrypted with a nagrivision variant

RE: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Thom Paine
On Wed, 2005-16-02 at 12:26 -0500, Brian J. Murrell wrote: On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 10:21 -0700, Greg Miller wrote: This is the most interesting thread I've followed for a long time. For what it's worth I am running Mythtv with DVB in Canada How are you capturing the DVB signal in Canada?

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Joel Anderson
But also, the price difference is $30 Canadian for me to get either card. The 250 is $199 at BestBuy and the 350 is $230 for me from my Dude, check out Staples. They regularly sell the 250's for $149 CDN. Best Buy and Future Shop also have them on sale quite frequently for that price,

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Alex Harford
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:31:08 -0500, Thom Paine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Feel free to email me off list if you have another way. I'm most interested. Please don't take it off the list, there are lots of us who are interested. :) Alex ___ mythtv-users

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Cory Papenfuss
So, before we get into another syntax pissing contest and i am told I am talking out of my ass again, what exactly do you mean by genlocked, synchronous 29.97 resolution with a 1:1 pixel-mapped input/output characteristic? If you mean that the signal is encoded by the video card to the television

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Cory Papenfuss
Cory, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Jeroen has mis-interpreted the answer here. It does *not* say that TV-OUT does not do interlace mode. It says that CRT2 doesn't support feeding interlace to the the TV encoder. That has nothing to do with whether or not TV-OUT then interlaces

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Cory Papenfuss
OK true; of course everything coming out of a TV-out is interlaced, nothing doubtful there. But it seems it can't tell field sync etc. from the signal that is being fed to the video bridge. And therefore I must either use the bob deinterlacer (others suck because they don't give full frame

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Joseph A. Caputo
On Wednesday 16 February 2005 12:29, PAUL WILLIAMSON wrote: I am surprised to hear about all these horror stories of s-video being so bad. I've done s-video on an MX440 and an FX5200 plus, both with excellent results. The s-video out on my mediamvp is pretty good, but there is

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Cory Papenfuss
On Wednesday 16 February 2005 10:03, Cory Papenfuss wrote: I've got an NVidia card (MX-400) with such a horrendously crappy tvout chip on it, the most I ever see is 240 lines. The chip just plain blows chunks. Cory, just curious, what TV encoder chip does your Nvidia card use? My old LeadTek

RE: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Greg Miller
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Alex HarfordSent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 10:38 AMTo: Discussion about mythtvSubject: Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:31:08 -0500, Thom Paine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Feel free

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 12:40 -0500, Cory Papenfuss wrote: That's not necessary... I believe you. I do not agree that cannot visually see a difference equivalent to perfect, however. Maybe this is so, but what do I really care beyond it looks perfect? Which I can get with the G400 and

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Isaac Richards
On Wednesday 16 February 2005 07:31 am, Brian J. Murrell wrote: Exactly. I never said that the OSD needed to know about vsync. I said video playback needed to know about vsync. The OSD still needs to be able to display in a manner that is compatible with the video card's TV-Out mode, and

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 13:41 -0500, Isaac Richards wrote: Main video output loop is in NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp (OutputVideoLoop), which uses classes in vsync.cpp for that information. Sweet! Thanks for the pointer! b. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 13:45 -0500, Isaac Richards wrote: Sounds like a driver limitation if you can't adjust the amount of overscan or set it to unscaled mode in X Exactly. No argument here. I think the base of the whole problem is that the matrox framebuffer driver does not put the card

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Tim Fenn
On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 10:27:29PM -0800, Scott Alfter wrote: On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 01:21:17PM -0800, Tim Fenn wrote: As an addendum, many newer TVs (particularly HD) tend to support DVI input - has anyone used this successfully, and more importantly, with good results? It works great

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Cory Papenfuss
Maybe this is so, but what do I really care beyond it looks perfect? Which I can get with the G400 and DirectFB. I have yet to see anything even close with the G400 X11/framebuffer/matroxset. For what most of us are trying to do (view it on a tv), it doesn't matter that much. I'm clarifying

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 14:13 -0500, Cory Papenfuss wrote: I'm not surprised. That's X protecting you from yourself. That modeline runs at 480i frequencies and is meant to be displayed directly on a TV. That's what I have. My TV is plugged directly into my video card with a connector

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Cory Papenfuss
That's what I have. My TV is plugged directly into my video card with a connector that Matrox makes for doing that. Funky... I haven't heard of that matrox-ism. Is it connected to an S-vid or Composite port or something else (DVI, RGB, component)? If the former, than it's really just a tvout

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Martin Ebourne
On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 15:00 -0500, Cory Papenfuss wrote: Funky... I haven't heard of that matrox-ism. Is it connected to an S-vid or Composite port or something else (DVI, RGB, component)? If the former, than it's really just a tvout in sheep's clothing... :) (i.e. Matrox made a

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 15:00 -0500, Cory Papenfuss wrote: Funky... I haven't heard of that matrox-ism. Is it connected to an S-vid or Composite port or something else (DVI, RGB, component)? It plugs into the 2nd head 15pin standard vga connector on the card and has svideo and composite

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 20:14 +, Martin Ebourne wrote: I did get that running 6 months ago. Certainly myth completely through XDirectFB is no good because it doesn't support Xv. But you don't need Xv if DirectFB puts the card into TV-Out mode and then XDirectFB uses layer 2 (it's this last

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-16 Thread Cory Papenfuss
It plugs into the 2nd head 15pin standard vga connector on the card and has svideo and composite on the other end. That is for a G400 standard (in the bedroom computer) and the other option is for the G400 with the MJPEG junk in it and that is a whole break-out box with composite, s-video and

[mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Thom Paine
I finally got my computer supplier to order me a PVR-350 card for my upcoming myth box. I also thought about getting a FX-5200 with TV-Out to hook to my television. An I better or worse off using the tv-out on the pvr-350 or should I use the FX-5200. Purchasing both cards right now is a bit of

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Alex Harford
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:36:34 -0500, Thom Paine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An I better or worse off using the tv-out on the pvr-350 or should I use the FX-5200. Depends on what you want to do with the frontend. If you want to play anything other than TV (that has not been transcoded) IMO the

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Thom Paine
On Tue, 2005-15-02 at 09:47 -0800, Alex Harford wrote: On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:36:34 -0500, Thom Paine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An I better or worse off using the tv-out on the pvr-350 or should I use the FX-5200. Depends on what you want to do with the frontend. If you want to play

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread PAUL WILLIAMSON
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2/15/2005 12:52:52 PM On Tue, 2005-15-02 at 09:47 -0800, Alex Harford wrote: On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:36:34 -0500, Thom Paine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An I better or worse off using the tv-out on the pvr-350 or should I use the FX-5200. Depends on what you want to do

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Joe Votour
If you value quality over all else, then the PVR-350 (after sufficient tweaking of the GUI) is about the best that you can get for S-Video or Composite output. However, using the PVR-350 locks you only into viewing MPEG-2 recordings. You can get DVD playback working with xine or mplayer, but it

RE: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Ronald Kohsman
I concur with John. Very smooth and good clarity. Hard tell the diff from normal tele. -r -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Kuhn Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:17 PM To: Discussion about mythtv Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350

RE: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 13:25 -0500, Ronald Kohsman wrote: I concur with John. Very smooth and good clarity. Hard tell the diff from normal tele. But that is done by sending the card MPEG2 right? The card decodes the mpeg2 and presumably sends it to the tele properly interlaced and vsync'd?

RE: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Paul K
mythtv Subject: RE: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut I concur with John. Very smooth and good clarity. Hard tell the diff from normal tele. -r -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Kuhn Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:17 PM

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Alex Harford
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:32:00 -0500, Brian J. Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please tell me this is not done by rendering onto a window in the Xserver (running on the framebuffer). So if one's mythbox is transcoding recorded mpeg2 into nuv (mpeg4 isn't it?) how does that work with the

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 10:38 -0800, Alex Harford wrote: Not very well, as it's using the framebuffer rather than the mpeg2 format. Ahhh. So if the file is MEPG2, then it uses the MPEG2 decoder, but if it's anything other it uses it like any old other framebuffer card? The 350 can encode and

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Jeroen Brosens
: I concur with John. Very smooth and good clarity. Hard tell the diff from normal tele. -r -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Kuhn Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:17 PM To: Discussion about mythtv Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Alex Harford
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:41:49 -0500, Brian J. Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 10:38 -0800, Alex Harford wrote: Not very well, as it's using the framebuffer rather than the mpeg2 format. Ahhh. So if the file is MEPG2, then it uses the MPEG2 decoder, but if it's

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 19:52 +0100, Jeroen Brosens wrote: Now use your video card's TV-out, enable Xv (which is generally hardware accelerated) and set the resolution to 720x576 if you are in PAL land or 720x480 for NTSC and use the bob deinterlacer. Now you have the same fluid and smooth

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread GreatOak
Could this be a licensing issue? Meaning, the use of the encoder is licensed to Hauppauge. Just a thought, I am not even sure if MPEG2 needs a license. Just a thought. ~G On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 14:00 -0500, Brian J. Murrell wrote: On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 10:55 -0800, Alex Harford wrote:

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Isaac Richards
On Tuesday 15 February 2005 02:05 pm, Brian J. Murrell wrote: See, that is totally wrong (or rather not as right as right could be) methodology. The real secret to picture perfect tv-out is to display to the TV _exactly_ as the original signal would have. Record the signal exactly as it

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Scott Alfter
On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 12:36:34PM -0500, Thom Paine wrote: I finally got my computer supplier to order me a PVR-350 card for my upcoming myth box. I also thought about getting a FX-5200 with TV-Out to hook to my television. An I better or worse off using the tv-out on the pvr-350 or

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Cory Papenfuss
See, that is totally wrong (or rather not as right as right could be) methodology. The real secret to picture perfect tv-out is to display to the TV _exactly_ as the original signal would have. Record the signal exactly as it comes and display it back exactly as you recorded it Don't

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 14:19 -0500, Isaac Richards wrote: On Tuesday 15 February 2005 02:05 pm, Brian J. Murrell wrote: See, that is totally wrong (or rather not as right as right could be) methodology. The real secret to picture perfect tv-out is to display to the TV _exactly_ as the

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 14:35 -0500, Cory Papenfuss wrote: Isn't that what VSYNC is supposed to be for? Exactly. The G400 (probably others) is able to interrupt on the vsync pulse allowing the driver and software above it to know when the vsync has happened and thus when to load the next

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Gabe Rubin
I understand the general consensus is pvr output video card with s-vid out, but what about a regular video card with a VGA-Composite converter. Would that rival the pvr output with the added bonus of playing any format thrown at it? ___ mythtv-users

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Isaac Richards
On Tuesday 15 February 2005 02:44 pm, Brian J. Murrell wrote: On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 14:35 -0500, Cory Papenfuss wrote: Isn't that what VSYNC is supposed to be for? Exactly. The G400 (probably others) is able to interrupt on the vsync pulse allowing the driver and software above it to know

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Martin Ebourne
On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 14:40 -0500, Brian J. Murrell wrote: I'm really not sure how displaying the OSD on an X-server on a G400 matroxset mangled framebuffer is supposed to work with the DirectFB layer 2 CRTC2 output anyhow since I thought the two were mutually exclusive (i.e. framebuffer/X11

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Isaac Richards
On Tuesday 15 February 2005 02:40 pm, Brian J. Murrell wrote: Go back and reread what I said. I did not say Myth's use of DirectFB was impossible (indeed it is great) nor did I say Myth's use of SDL was impossible. What I said is that QT did not support writing on either an SDL surface nor a

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Martin Ebourne
On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 14:44 -0500, Brian J. Murrell wrote: But AFAIK, X11 does not support vsyncing. There is no way for an X11 application to know when the vsync pulse has hit so it can't really know when to frame flip. It's possible with opengl etc, but I don't know the details, and it

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Dan Littlejohn
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:17 PM To: Discussion about mythtv Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut I honestly have yet to see a TV-Out from a card compare to the 350.. i have tried the GF4mx's and also have a 5200.. everything seems blurry and the colors are washed out

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 15:00 -0500, Isaac Richards wrote: Huh? Do you have any idea what you're talking about, A little. I have been mucking with PVR software and TV-Out stuff for about 4 years now. I have been a long time user of Freevo on DirectFB so I know what properly formatted TV-Out

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Isaac Richards
On Tuesday 15 February 2005 03:06 pm, Brian J. Murrell wrote: So, the whole GUI that you get when mythtv starts up is not written on the QT toolkit? What exactly is QT used for in mythtv then? Only the non-video portions of the UI are drawn by Qt. Since that's by definition not video

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Cory Papenfuss
But AFAIK, X11 does not support vsyncing. There is no way for an X11 application to know when the vsync pulse has hit so it can't really know when to frame flip. Also the video hardware has to be able to encode to TV-Out in an interlaced overscanned mode. I have only seen the G400 able to do

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Cory Papenfuss
You can also hack mythtv to check the horizontal scan line count register (0x3c48) directly from the video output code, and get it to busy-wait until the start of frame. This can be made to work ok, but is never going to make it into the myth code for good reason. It sounds interesting... a sort

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Isaac Richards
On Tuesday 15 February 2005 03:50 pm, Cory Papenfuss wrote: It's weird though... one would think that with a lack of vsync, there'd be a tearing vertical roll. There isn't in my setup... the tearpoint is always at the same location. Quite odd. Are you running the video output on a 2nd

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Cory Papenfuss
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, Gabe Rubin wrote: I understand the general consensus is pvr output video card with s-vid out, but what about a regular video card with a VGA-Composite converter. Would that rival the pvr output with the added bonus of playing any format thrown at it? Yes, provided the

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Isaac Richards
On Tuesday 15 February 2005 03:53 pm, Cory Papenfuss wrote: You can also hack mythtv to check the horizontal scan line count register (0x3c48) directly from the video output code, and get it to busy-wait until the start of frame. This can be made to work ok, but is never going to make it

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Jå§òÑ M@¢þhè®$Øñ
I orignally got a pvr-350. Now I realize I should have saved myself a few bucks and gone with the pvr-250. People use thier myth boxes in different ways. But I always felt the great thing about myth is you can do much more than watch TV. Myth does games, play video files, DVD, video

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Thom Paine
On Tue, 2005-15-02 at 16:00 -0500, J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I orignally got a pvr-350. Now I realize I should have saved myself a few bucks and gone with the pvr-250. People use thier myth boxes in different ways. But I always felt the great thing about myth is you can do much more than

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Jå§òÑ M@¢þhè®$Øñ
Any off-the-self DVR can do that. I didn't mean to say that all DVRs can play games and videos. I meant to say any DVR can watch record and play TV. Myth can do so much more, so why go with a pvr-350 tv-out? I really should prove read before I post ;) -Jå§òÑ [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Tim Fenn
On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 03:56:14PM -0500, Cory Papenfuss wrote: On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, Gabe Rubin wrote: I understand the general consensus is pvr output video card with s-vid out, but what about a regular video card with a VGA-Composite converter. Would that rival the pvr output with the

RE: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Paul K
Just my opinion, but... No matter what else you can do with your PVR, if TV doesn't look like TV, it's no good to me. Again - Just my opinion. And yes, we don't all use them for the same things... Paul K ___ mythtv-users mailing list

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Joe Votour
The PVR-350 has dual tuners, but one of them is for TV, and the other is for radio (I don't know if it's FM only, or AM also). -- Joe --- Thom Paine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2005-15-02 at 16:00 -0500, Jå§òÑ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I orignally got a pvr-350. Now I realize I should

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Cory Papenfuss
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, Isaac Richards wrote: On Tuesday 15 February 2005 03:50 pm, Cory Papenfuss wrote: It's weird though... one would think that with a lack of vsync, there'd be a tearing vertical roll. There isn't in my setup... the tearpoint is always at the same location. Quite odd. Are you

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Donavan Stanley
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:21:21 -0500, Paul K [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just my opinion, but... No matter what else you can do with your PVR, if TV doesn't look like TV, it's no good to me. Again - Just my opinion. And yes, we don't all use them for the same things... My Chaintech nForce2

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Gabe Rubin
Someone told me, or I read somewhere, that with the 350 has dual tuners. Somone told you wrong. I believe there is a new card that has dual tuners, but the 350 is not such a beast. I personally use the pvr-350, and it does have pretty good output (on a crappy tv, so hard to get a good read on

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Isaac Richards
On Tuesday 15 February 2005 04:26 pm, Cory Papenfuss wrote: On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, Isaac Richards wrote: On Tuesday 15 February 2005 03:50 pm, Cory Papenfuss wrote: It's weird though... one would think that with a lack of vsync, there'd be a tearing vertical roll. There isn't in my

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Brad Templeton
On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 04:07:45PM -0500, Thom Paine wrote: Someone told me, or I read somewhere, that with the 350 has dual tuners. But also, the price difference is $30 Canadian for me to get either card. The 250 is $199 at BestBuy and the 350 is $230 for me from my computer hardware

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Minh Duong
Does the FX5200 cards have mpeg2 hardware decoders? nVidia's site isn't clear on this. I think that some of them might, but I think it's only on the mobile versions. Anybody got any info on this? --- Brad Templeton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 04:07:45PM -0500, Thom

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Jeroen Brosens
Well, with Xv and a nvidia card and singlehead, there shouldn't be any tearing whatsoever on video playback, unless you disable that through the nvidia-settings app. That's built in to the driver. Tearing, though is separate from the vsync support code in myth, which uses the vsync info it

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Isaac Richards
On Tuesday 15 February 2005 06:15 pm, Jeroen Brosens wrote: Well, with Xv and a nvidia card and singlehead, there shouldn't be any tearing whatsoever on video playback, unless you disable that through the nvidia-settings app. That's built in to the driver. Tearing, though is separate from

Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 vs FX-5200 TVOut

2005-02-15 Thread Scott Alfter
On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 01:21:17PM -0800, Tim Fenn wrote: As an addendum, many newer TVs (particularly HD) tend to support DVI input - has anyone used this successfully, and more importantly, with good results? It works great on the 30 widescreen LCD I'm using...all it took was a modeline to