Um, to be honest, I wasn't really making a distinction between
received and sent dates when I posted that. I was simply thinking of
a 'date' and because I tend to sort my mail via date received rather
than date sent (too many of my correspondents have dates wrongly set
on their computers
Rene;
Perhaps the filter condition is there precisely FOR manually
activated filters. I know that in my own PM set up I have a bunch of
filters down at the bottom of the filter list that are designed for
manual use, not automated. If I wanted to move all of my mail over a
certain date to
On 14/1/08 (05:52) MB said:
One way to know would be to export from Mail and see if an import back
to a newer version retain this status.
Do you mean an import back into a newer version of Mail or a newer
version of Powermail?
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Hi; I'm experimentally exporting my email (folder by folder) to Apple
Mail. I'm not on the latest version of PM but can anyone tell me whether
5.6.1 still has the issue of every message exported (whether read,
unread, redirected, forwarded, or whatever) getting imported as 'Unread'?
Thanks;
Rick
On 7/1/08 (03:16) Tim said:
The only thing I can recall is something I noted about Apple Mail. If
you deleted an account in Apple Mail, all the mail associated with that
account would be deleted along with it.
I'm not aware of any problems in PowerMail associated with accessing
mail belonging
On 8/1/08 (13:43) Marlyse said:
how about avoiding any possible problem and don't delete the accounts...
Oh good lord no.
I'm an anally-retentive idiot nutcase, Marlyse, so I'm afraid any such
common sense approach is utterly out of the question. But thanks for
your clear thinking and
Hi all;
I'm about to 'rationalise' my email setup which might mean getting rid
of some email accounts in PM. I seemed to recall that someone on this
list had problems with Powermail after removing accounts from the
Accounts list -- something about displaying mail in the browser if the
account
On 30/11/07 (11:22) MB said:
Rick Lecoat suggested
Which leaves the question of 'when would PM notice that the index was
missing?' I assume that having PM verify the location and condition of
the index on a near-constant basis is not feasible -- too many calls
back and forth between PM
On 26/11/07 (03:16) Matthias said:
Hello,
does anyone know, how to set in Apple's apps the mail client to PM?
These apps, like Apertue don't respect the standard mail client and let
one choose only between Mali, Eudora and Encourage, this is of course
not what I want ;-)
Thanks and all the best
On 25/11/07 (23:16) MB said:
I was advocating that the user that had deleted the index should at
startup or even the minute the index file got missing if running
already, be prompted with appropriate information, asked to put it back
- perhaps by the asking the user where to look for it- or to
On 23/11/07 (23:46) MB said:
Indexes are such things I, and I suspect many users with me, generally
would expect to be rebuilt without user intervention in most cases.
Generally I would agree, but my experience would show that rebuilding
the index can take a while (several minutes for my modest
On 12/11/07 (19:22) Richard said:
I respectfully disagree.
First, my experience with SuperDuper is different from yours. It
automatically backs up my disk drive while PowerMail is running. I have
no problems restoring my mail.
Fair enough, but this does go against the recommended practice,
On 12/11/07 (12:24) PowerMail said:
As with all other backup softwares, making a backup of PowerMail's
database while PowerMail is open (especially with a scheduled
connection) can probably produce a corrupted backup. Additionally, your
entire mail database will be backed up every hour (assuming
On 12/11/07 (13:13) MB said:
If one can make do with manual export it is possibly the best approach
to search and find on after a specific received date and export that in
PowerMail exchange format.
However I do have messages in my DB that was fetched on a future date by
mistake (wrong machine
On 17/10/07 (02:24) Sean said:
The contents of the Recent Mail window change if you quit PM and
relaunch it. Mail is no longer recent at relaunch.
That is of course, a definition of 'recent' imposed by the developers.
In my real-world workflow, whether I deem a piece of mail to be 'recent'
or
On 17/10/07 (06:36) Barbara said:
That is what Rick [and others] want--- have to say I can see their point;
it is one of the reasons I never bother with it.
Actually what I want are Smart Folders. But failing that, I would dearly
love a simply preference: Clear contents of Recent Mail Window at
On 17/10/07 (23:00) Mikael said:
That's a known bug, but I don't remember which app is responsible for
not playing nice with the other. One clue is that I don't have this
problem with another backup application. So I wouldn't blame Powermail
for this particular bug necessarily, at least not
On 18/9/07 (03:49) Steve said:
I have over 100 nested folders, somewhere between 50k-100k emails, and
the read and unread are interspersed throughout. Creating an unread
folder and moving all unread mail there, then putting it back, would be
a massive undertaking.
Steve;
If you're moving the
On 30/8/07 (22:32) Ira said:
Subject: Network Interface Error
From: Ira Lansing [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:00:28 -0700
Pg0KPlN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBBIG5ldHdvcmsgaW50ZXJmYWNlIGVycm9yIG9jY3VycmVkICA8LSB0
Well, I sometimes see this gobbledegook in other postings, but never in
mine.
On 30/8/07 (15:43) Georges said:
Has any of you ever tried to replicate smart folders?
No, but I really want CTM to *implement* them.
I've been asking for them for at least a couple of years now, but there
has never been even glimmer of response -- positive or negative -- on
the matter from
Marlyse;
Are you sure you didn't have a filter somewhere set to switch accounts
under certain conditions? It's a long shot, I know, but that's all I can
think of (I used to have a filter set up to make sure that mails to
certain people all went from a specific account).
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set filter criterion result to true will set the result of the
AppleScript condition.
set filter criterion result to true being a line in the Applescript,
presumably? (Sorry if that's really stupid-sounding, but I don't
Well, are you really using PM version 5.5.2 instead of 5.5.3? (I don't
know that would cause problems for scripts in filters, but you never
know.) Is there a reason you haven't upgraded?
Laziness combined with no pressing need. I might update PM just to see
if it makes a difference with this
That's your answer?
Oh, Mikael.
Or should I call you 'Mr Spock'?
; -)
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Rick Lecoat said:
Well, if you want 100 percent accuracy then you have to poll
The non-HTML version will print okay *only if* the sender's email client
was correctly set up to include a non-HTML text part. Otherwise, you're stuck.
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The
And once again I'm going to climb on my 'feature request' soapbox and
ask for a preference to make the recent mail window retain its contents
between restarts.
This would make my workflow immeasurably easier, and also make regularly
scheduled backups (which properly require PM not to be running) a
Clearly this list is not all Powermail users. However, in the absence of
direct input from every single PM user out there, can we not, for the
purposes of discussion and friendly debate, assume that this list
represents something approaching a representative cross section of the
user base and
? Of course not. But I never
suggested that it was.
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Rick Lecoat said:
However, in the absence of
direct input from every single PM user out there, can we
There are a few earlier-placed filters that have that box checked, but
they are all for highly specific conditions (specific account PLUS
specific subject line, etc) and would not be cause for the complete
failure to trigger that I'm seeing with this Applescript.
But I think I've nailed the
yet. Does that take account of
filter-moved attachments?)
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Not sure what the workaround it yet, but I'll try adding the 'Tag
Attachments' script to any
On a sort-of-related note:
I have an apple script (not written by me -- I have no skills in that
arena) that is supposed to fire any time a message comes in with an
attachment. The script writes to the attached file's Finder comments
(are they still called Finder Comments?), making a note of who
Okay Tim, thanks.
Maybe the script is just too old then. Like I said, I have no
applescript skills at all, so I can't diagnose whether it might be the
script that has fallen behind the PM library.
Here, then, is the full code of it, complete with comments and notes:
. . . . . . . . . .
(* tag
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Is your filter at the end of your list of filters, or where is it
located? To act on all attachments received, it would need to be at or
near the top of your list of filters. Or, at least should not follow any
scripts that move the
Hmm.
I've been following this thread for the last couple of days and I'm
surprised that many of the people contributing to it are taking a stance
that seems to be: this is not a problem in my own workflow, so I fail
to see that it should be a problem in yours. The implication would seem
to be that
A combination of key and brute force. The confusion came from the fact
that when it's unlocked, it *feels* locked -- and you need to apply some
strength to twist it free. When it's locked it just rotates freely,
which feels broken, but isn't, evidently.
New car, new ways.
And now, back to our
I'm thinking that the problem might be originating with iChat. I just
restarted iChat and I think that it reinstated the sound alerts. I say
*think* because I hadn't asked Powermail to do anything that would
generate a sound for a while, so it might have gotten its sounds back earlier.
But iChat
Yeah, all my alert sounds. 'Played' sounds, eg iTunes and QT, still
function normally, as do the feedback sounds when changing volume with
the keyboard
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Following on from the posts (partially-) quoted below, I can confirm the
following:
1. My PM alert sounds have disappeared again (a few hours ago in fact,
no idea of the trigger).
2. The Mac's alert sounds are also kaput -- no 'whoop' in iChat for
example, and nothing heard if I tinker with
I'm still finding that after a while the alert sounds (well, all the
sounds) from Powermail are being silenced. I have no idea what triggers
it -- maybe something to do with iTunes or Quicktime? -- but it's
actually rather annoying and more of a productivity block than I wold
have expected.
I'm
Hi Jérôme;
It's hard to be certain about whether the broken message is a ghost
message or not, as there was nothing to see in the headers (it got as
far as RFC822 Header Follows and then nothing. I have a lot of
incoming mail from the same people all the time so it is difficult to
determine
And it's still going on (which is to be expected I guess as nothing has
changed). But this is getting serious. Notwithstanding that the fact
that primary issue is that my ISP can't sustain its connection in the
evenings, Powermail's inability to deal properly with a prematurely
broken connection
Yes, I'd love this feature as well. Way back in the day before I
switched to PM I used Eudora and I found it surprisingly useful.
Often I receive emails that I can see, from the text spacing, were
composed using a fixed width font -- generally because the sender was
dividing text into columns, eg.
Hi all.
For some reason, I've been getting regular internet connection outages
at around the same time every night -- nothing to do with Powermail of
course, but it does have a side effect. Often the connection goes down
during a mail fetch, and I find that I am left with a half-downloaded,
Ah, the old cowboys and endians problem.
Quick, pull the macs into a circle...
Rick
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Seems like a
Mikael;
Just to clarify your question: Do you mean that text that is copied out
of PM and pasted into (for example) OmniOutliner should take its
formatting from the paragraph that it is pasted into?
If so, then what this needs is a quick way of stripping formatting out
of text held on the
Right, here's the thing. I realise that PM allows me to define which
email address is the default one for a given correspondent by opening up
Powermail's own address book and marking the relevant address with a
yellow dot.
Unfortunately, sometimes this gets overwritten/reset when the PM address
Well, whatever, I relaunched PM again and the weirdness appears to have
vanished. I'm back to having a regular Quit at the bottom of the dock menu.
Perhaps not unconnected, the reason that I relaunched PM was because I
minimised the Recent Mail window to the dock, and it didn't want to come
out
No, if the button that is supposed to give me a 'ctrl-click' is actually
giving me 'alt-ctrl-click' I think that I'd have noticed by now.
My mouse settings are correct. And PM is the only app who's dock icon
menu shows Force Quit.
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No, no Alt key. Just a simple ctrl-click (actually a right-click with my
2-button mouse). As an idiot-test I also tried the normal-click-and-hold
which also calls the contextual menu for the dock item, and that also
shows Force Quit.
How strange! Apart from that small glitch PM is working fine.
I could easily automate a system to quit PM, perform a backup
of all my files, and relaunch PM, but the RMW, which sort of serves as a
things to deal with tray for me.
Whoops, that sentence should have ended:
'...but the RMW, which sort of serves as a things to deal with tray
for me would be
I've said it many times before, but PM's insistence upon wiping clean
the Recent Mail Window whenever it Quits severely hampers my backup
strategy. I could easily automate a system to quit PM, perform a backup
of all my files, and relaunch PM, but the RMW, which sort of serves as a
things to deal
Hi all. List has been fairly quiet recently so I thought I'd try you lot
with something that is far from being a crisis but is enough to be annoying.
After PM has been running for a while it seems to suddenly lose its
sound. No incoming mail noises (that's the most annoying one, really),
and no
I do the same thing -- 'dummy' filters that act as dividers. Folders
would be preferable, of course, as they would, when collapsed, actually
shorten the filter list considerably, whereas our current workaround
lengthens it.
From my own point of view, the filter organisation issue is a completely
Oh, think we can have both, don't you?
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Received from Matthias Schmidt on 22/3/06 at 14:07
On the other side, imho smart folders would be even
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I'm still thinking about the problem space and trying to understand the
somewhat obscure suggestions that have been made.
Good for you. Me, I'm going to get on with some work.
Rick
Actually Matthias, the folders that I would like to see in the filter
window would be for organisation only and would be completely
transparent to the filter run-order. Ie:
Folder A
filter 1
filter 2
filter 3
Folder B
filter 4
filter 5
Would still result in the filters
Mikael;
I certainly agree that newcomers should be amply catered for; they are
the lifeblood of any small developer. However, this is POWERmail... and
having a greater degree of sophistication available for those who want
it would seem to go along with the name, and cannot be a bad thing
I can't help thinking that maybe PM should be able to deal with such
corrupted HTML messages more gracefully than this. Victor alone would
seem to have lost 24 hours or more of time to this problem. Certain
things need to be acknowledged I think:
1. Whatever our feelings about them, we all
Yes, I wondered about that too. Perhaps the script is called too soon or
something. However, as I say, when it comes to the 'under the hood'
stuff I don't really know nuttin' so I'll leave it to better folks than
I to work out the nitty gritty.
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Rick Lecoat on 16/3/06 at 08:53
Hi Justin;
Since the script works when you run the filter manually then I'd say
that the problem is most likely not in the script but in your filter
list. Probably there is some filter higher up the food chain that is
stopping the message from reaching the script
Hi Justin;
Since the script works when you run the filter manually then I'd say
that the problem is most likely not in the script but in your filter
list. Probably there is some filter higher up the food chain that is
stopping the message from reaching the script filter. Remember, filters
(when
Hi Willem;
Glad to have you back, sorry to hear about your trouble.
Since I have no knowledge of databases and suchlike, the only thing that
I can think of is that maybe when you returned to using Powermail after
your little flirtation with Mail, you inadvertently started a new PM
database.
This thread is starting to evolve into several separate discussion threads.
Maybe we should start to rename the subject line appropriately?
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Oh that is odd, my set up (clearly) doesn't exhibit that behaviour. I
wonder if dumping your PM preferences would cure that?
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Ah ha. I had a look on the PM Script archive but didn't see anything
that looked like it would do that particular job. And since I know as
much about Applescript as I know about the inside of the sun, I'm not
about to try and write one myself.
Anyway, I feel better knowing which mail folder the
2006 schreef Rick Lecoat:
Anybody have anything to suggest? How can I perform a search that will
find every HTML carrying message in my database (but not the plain text
ones)? And, more to the point, how can I ID the specific virus carrying
message out of a database of over 38,000 messages?
message is of the
1252-type.
Karel
Op vrijdag, 24 februari 2006 schreef Rick Lecoat:
Anybody have anything to suggest? How can I perform a search that will
find every HTML carrying message in my database (but not the plain text
ones)? And, more to the point, how can I ID the specific virus
Only one problem with that Karel; the Other field option appears in
Filters but not in Search. At least, it doesn't seem to appear in my
search dialogue box. I had thought that searching by Other headers was
the way to go too -- until I tried it and realised that the options was
not there.
I
Hi Karel, thanks for your ideas.
The only problem with your exporting idea to narrow down the offending
message is that I have hundreds of nested folders in my database, and
the culprit could be in almost any of them (the Powermail Discussions
List folder is about the ONLY folder that I can
For one thing, Powermail dates back to OS9 which, of course, did not
include Apple Address Book. When the OS X version of PM arrived (or
maybe it a revision or two later) CTM provided a way for the existing PM
address book to integrate with the Apple one. And for people like me,
who for quite a
Coincidentally, a few days before this trojan-or-whatever-it-is came to
light a friend of mine had been waxing enthusiastic about the open-
source virus scanner for OSX ClamXav (a GUI front end to the command-
line ClamAV antivirus engine). So as soon as the malware appeared, I
decided to
Hi Shell, and welcome.
I think that you may have gone about it slightly back to front. If
memory serves (and it's been a while since I registered a copy of PM so
I might be wrong) you should *drop the application onto the key*, not
the other way around.
If you drop the key on the app, PM,
No problems here either (SpamSieve 2.4.1, other system elements as noted
in sig). I did do the double click trick when I updated SpamSieve, ie.
launched it manually before letting PM call it. Perhaps that's why I and
some others are not having any trouble whilst other folks are?
Rick
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Dave;
Oh dear. That is a bad 'un. Several utilities exist for recovering
deleted files; as you may know, a deleted file (ie. one that you've put
in the trash and then emptied) is not really erased, it is merely
removed from the list of 'current' files and the space it takes up is
flagged by the
I also have PM set to take its updates from Apple Address Book (AAB) and
NOT the other way around. So I make all my address changes in AAB, not PM.
However, I also have PM set to update whenever it is brought to the
front, as well as upon launch, and I do not have any problems. Maybe you
could
Having a keyboard shortcut would be a good thing for this function I
think. Occasionally I send a message and instantly realise that I need
to stop it -- especially since I use the preference to allow the Enter
key to Send. Something like the traditional Cmd-. (period) or even Cmd-
escape would
not yet capable
More to the point, it has no plans to be. PowerMail has always been
about plain text output only. The pros and cons of HTML mail are
regularly (and heatedly) debated on this mailing list, but the short,
blunt version is that if you need to *send* HTML email then PowerMail is
not
Ahh, right, my misunderstanding, sorry.
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Sorry if my original post wasn't very clear, I wasn't asking
Tim;
Yes, the 'fly' that you mention is exactly the problem that I foresaw in
my own post in this thread -- multiple, conflicting, Address Book-
dictated sigs.
You say that you do not see the situation arising often, but remember
that this thread started with Simon who raised the issue because
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No; the list is the right place for such suggestions.
Then I have a suggestion/request (in fact I have loads, and I make you
poor souls listen to them on a regular basis, as you well know). It is this:
I would like to be
I don't think you can be selective. It's one language or all. Of course,
this might cause problems if a word in Italian happens to be exactly the
same as the way that you misspell a word in English (and no, I can't
think of an example).
Of course, even selective languages wouldn't make spell
Could be a permissions problem with Spam Sieve, try repairing
permissions using Disk Utility or one of the various third party apps
and see if it makes any difference.
If not then somebody else had better weigh in 'cause I'm out of ideas now.
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I'm increasingly of the opinion that smart folders would fulfill a quite
a few items on my PM wishlist (though not the merger of the recent mail
window and the rest of the browser).
From a GUI perspective this would be a simple solution: Any 'smart
folders would simply appear below the Out tray
I know this is a regular topic, and has just been mentioned in passing
in both the 'Automating PM' and 'PM for Apple User' threads, but it's
fresh in my mind and I want to raise it again under its own thread title
-- the problem of losing everything in the Recent Mail Window (RMW) when
PM
I use a similar system -- label number 1 is called Flagged for
attention. Being able to search by label is useful.
However, it requires that I remember to UNlabel the message after I'f
dealt with it, which makes it a workaround but not an ideal solution.
Rick
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I feel a compulsion to give every new version of Mail (which usually
means the version shipping with each major OS X update; Panther, Tiger
etc) a spin around the block to see if it is serviceable for my needs. I
always want it to be a suitable replacement for PM -- not because I
dislike PM but
I don't use IMAP either. Mainly that is because I've always had POP
mailboxes provided by my ISP and since I work in a one-standalone-
machine setup I've not been part of a networked email serving system.
That said, I have little interest in it either. I'm one of those types
who likes to keep
Just an idea I'm throwing out to the group, but I synch my PM address
Book to the Apple one (with the Apple AB as the master -- no return
synching, that got messy). However, not every contact in my Apple
address book has an email address, yet PM imports them anyway -- so the
PM address book has a
Yes, I can. But I'm still no wiser as to what these check boxes actually DO!
I like to learn. Somebody teach me!
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can you uncheck your system-preferred
Evie, I think you may be worrying unnecessarily! If the attachments exist
as files and those files are already linked to the emails in PowerMail
(and those links are live, ie. not greyed out) the you should be home and
dry, because PM should keep track of the attachments as you move them around.
Just another example of how widely people's work styes differ! Barbara
never use the Recent Mail window -- I'd be completely lost without it
(much of my mail is auto-filtered into folders, and locating each bold
folder in a hierarchy to read the new mail would be a wearisome chore).
Marlyse's
I've put these feature requests into the mix at various points in the
past but I thought I'd reiterate them in one coherent chunk, as they all
pertain to the Recent Mail window (RMW). I LOVE the recent Mail window,
and in fact I read nearly all of my email from there, only needing the
browser
Hi Dan;
I agree entirely with Michael when he says that this is really a matter
of opinion, and everyone should choose the application that's right for
them. I dip into Mail every time they bring out a major new version (ie.
I looked at it when Panther came out and I'll no doubt reassess it when
A belated Happy Birthday to you, Len!
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82 as of last Friday.
As far as I know, PM adopts whatever the default folder icon used by the
finder is set to. Candybar (which I also use) changes this default, so
the folders in PM will change also. I don't know if there is any way to
separate the two (finder and PM); If you are using Candybar I think that
you
Hi gang;
Does anyone know of a way to update the PM address book from the Apple
one? I was dragging an email address out of the PM address book (PMAB) in
order to copy it into the body of a message, and it caused PM to crash.
After that, when I relaunched the app, that address (one of three
Agreed. If it's replied to, it should be marked as replied to, end of
story. If it's later remarked as unread, fine; it should then show up as
unread AND replied to. It is obviously NOT impossible for a message to be
both unread and replied to, as it is possible remark messages as unread.
There
Yes, I've never found it possible to scroll an HTML message using the
mouse scroll wheel (Logitech wired optical mouse). Ever since PM5, this
disfunction has carried over to non-HTML messages if there is an HTML
message open in any window.
Eg. I have an HTML message on display in the Recent Mail
On a side note, I find the parsing of addresses into the To field to
be a little unpredictable. Here's my system:
I have some people who I always thing of by a nickname, and I put this
nickname into the Notes section of Apple Address Book (AAB). I also use
the AAB notes section for entering the
I have my preferences set up so that the default setting for replying to
a message places the quoted text at the *end* of the message.
Something that would help me out enormously would be to have a key code
(eg, Cmd-Ctrl-R) to reverse that default, just for that instance -- so,
in my case it
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