Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...)

2002-07-10 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:28, you wrote: I've been told by my boss that for what Altium are offering with ATS it's just not going to happen here. DXP is way out of the question. It's a pity that more people wont jump on this bandwagon. They'll just keep forking out hard earned

[PEDA] PEDA] Honeywell footprint

2002-07-18 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)

Re: [PEDA] PEDA] Honeywell footprint

2002-07-18 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Harry MANY THANKS Mike - Original Message - From: Harry Selfridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] PEDA] Honeywell footprint Hi Mike, Page three of the data sheet at:

Re: [PEDA] Best PCB Package to use?

2002-07-27 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Michael Wrote: P-CAD is about $10K for the full package, $6K for a 6 layer package, $1.5K for schematic only, with free viewers with cross probing and print capabilities Michael, I don't know how Altium is pricing PCAD these days. but the last I checked. A fully functional PCAD station was

Re: [PEDA] DXP Discussion

2002-07-30 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Ian wrote, Just a brief comment before the discussion really hots up. My comments: Ian,follow the context of the messages on this forum from release of 99 to present. The earlier tone from these discussions was nothing but frustration. Some of us were mad as hell at simple things not

Re: [PEDA] DXP Discussion

2002-07-30 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Tony, Thank you for the reminder, I don't think I have disclosed anything other than reinforcing any commentary that I have posted here for the past year and long before dXP was a gleam in the Kangaroo's eye. I believe Andrew Jenkins past comments on here also reflect the poor response from

Re: [PEDA] DXP Discussion

2002-07-30 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
This is really scarey, you beta'd the thing and you cant say anything more constructive yourself? Tony, I felt very strong that the platform (99SE) was and is superior to anything else in the price range. A few minor tweaks, a few lines of code taken out to optimize long compilations, and

[PEDA] Copper pours on outer layers

2002-07-30 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Question to smartest of smartest designers out there: Here is the delima, we have a board appox 24 x 30 ( a very large backplane) , many thousands of connections, every layer controlled impedance. The boards are used for high speed tele comminications switching and data monitoring. ( No

Re: [PEDA] Copper pours on outer layers

2002-07-30 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
speed it up somewhat Michael Reagan (EDSI) wrote: Question to smartest of smartest designers out there: Here is the delima, we have a board appox 24 x 30 ( a very large backplane) , many thousands of connections, every layer controlled impedance. The boards are used for high speed

Re: [PEDA] Copper pours on outer layers

2002-07-30 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Peter and All If an internal ground plane has an appropriate copper pattern for the outer layers, just tell the board shop to use that artwork for both the inner layer and outer layer - just because Protel thinks the *.gtl file is the top layer, doesn't mean you _must_ use that as the top

Re: [PEDA] Bag it Discussion

2002-07-31 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Brian wrote InterestingIn my neck of the woods (NW US), to bag something is to abandon it as useless, but without extreme prejudice Yea that was the same meaning I have always understood. So in this case it meant abandoning Protel, which left me confused Mike Reagan

Re: [PEDA] Copper pours on outer layers

2002-07-31 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Something I forgot to mention: If the parts are surface mount then the internal plane has no hog-outs at all for the pads. Thats why you might be interested in using the soldermask layer instead. Dave Lewis We looked at it today Dave the mask layer would work except we still need to

Re: [PEDA] Copper pours on outer layers

2002-07-31 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Abdul wrote AND WELCOME BACK! Suppose the worst designer reading this list knows how to accomplish the task? Should he keep it to himself? No that automatically requalifies the worst designer as the best of the best .It is generally not necessary to pour in more than one

Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Re[2]: Not DXP or P99SE, but have you seen the Cadence offer!!!!

2002-08-01 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
forget ATS, you don't require it. we'll see what happens with future service packs. Whether ther are available for free or not. ATS? When I bought my version 2.8 I think I had free ( was it lifetime or did it say unlimited support or neither ? ) Wish I could find a okl brochure,

Re: [PEDA] Upgrade Pricing Ethics WAS: Not DXP or P99SE, but have you seen the Cadence offer!!!!

2002-08-01 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
the early days of Daisy, Mentor, Valid you would have to pay ten's of thousands of dollars just for schematic capture! The PCB layout tools cost $100k+. This was before PC's came along. In the IC industry, they have to pay $100k-1m+ for a single software seat! I think PCB is doing pretty

Re: [PEDA] 'Global' button missing : replaced by fileter and inspect and more gripes

2002-08-02 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Ian, Read all of my comments about Accel graphics looking like Bitmapped Crayola for the past three years. Protel is cross migrating to Accel and vice-versa.What you describe is in my terms Bitmapped Crayola ( for ALTIUM programmers, Crayola (TM) is a cheap wax pencil wrapped in paper

Re: [PEDA] DXP Net lists

2002-08-09 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
in the protel orcad universe i have yet to see EDIF do anything useful Dennis Saputelli I agree with you Dennis, Well said. Mike Reagan * Tracking #: AD3A7D6B966FBC4F856C8731401ED4EF18246992 *

Re: [PEDA] IPC Footprint Standards

2002-08-12 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Linden, Given the two footprint documents, IPC vs the manufacture's , I will always use the manufacture's first. The manufacture has generally allowed for tolerances specifically designed for their part. Under some circumstances, I have had large contract manufactures provide me with very

Re: [PEDA] Gerber and Specctra bugs

2002-08-14 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Mattias, It s really not a bug,you also have to remove the layer from Design Rules, Routing layers and change it to Not Used Then you will get a clean Specta export Mike Reagan EDSI Frederick MD Hi, I can confirm the last of the bugs reported. I had a situation where Midlayer 14

Re: [PEDA] Protel 99SE on Windows XP

2002-08-15 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Charlie, I ran 99se on XP for a while. It really didn't run any better than running on W98. I eventually had to uninstall XP and reload W 98 after experiencing 3 fatal crashes.These weren't Protel related. XP did everything wrong, it crashed, banged my harddrive until I found out how to

Re: [PEDA] Changing default document settings

2002-08-15 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
TC, Create a blank template for both schematic and pcb then start your design from the template. Mike Reagan EDSI Frederick MD Hi all, A few days ago there was a thread on setting up the default.tdb to set up my default database every time I start up a new database. Is there a way to

Re: [PEDA] Protel 99SE on Windows XP

2002-08-17 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Ivan wrote I hope that one Compaq is the only one you ever bought. I had one some years ago (PII-266) and it was absolute junk. Yes, Compaq does make proprietary version of Windows for their PCs. How smart is that - a proprietary version of a proprietary OS? Yea it is my only

Re: [PEDA] Matched Lenghth Constraint

2002-08-17 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Clive, I was waiting until all of the replies were in before responding about Protel's matched lengths. You are right it does not work, or does not work well. My reasons for it not working well are the following. In all of the cases that I have had to match length, my objective was to

Re: [PEDA] Find and Set Testpoints

2002-08-22 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
I agree with Ian, the testpoint feature is pretty much useless. I also found the testpoint report to be incomplete and inaccurate. For those reasons, I have my customers generate a separate schematic page with nothing but testpoints. The clear advantages are you can control clearances,

Re: [PEDA] Netlist output to Protel from Orcad 9.1?

2002-08-22 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
claims it will import Orcad Ver 9.X well the schematic in this latest version of Orcad does not come across to Protel well at all. Bob Wolfe - Original Message - From: Michael Reagan (EDSI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 1:59

Re: [PEDA] Revision problems

2002-08-25 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Robert, Update free primitives is a very good command to use. I use flawlessly on every design. If you are getting drc errors when invoking the command then you must have traces shorted from one pad to another. The exact process I use is different than most others recommended practice, here

Re: [PEDA] Revision problems

2002-08-26 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
] Revision problems shouldn't you load the netlist AFTER the update? else stray tracks could pick up connectivity? i haven't found clearing nets necessary, although i do it sometime Dennis Saputelli Michael Reagan (EDSI) wrote: Robert, Update free primitives is a very good command to use

Re: [PEDA] AW: DXP Variants / version control

2002-08-27 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Georg wrote I bought the upgrade and estimate to run it parallel to 99SE until the begin of next year. Georg, Some of us cant afford to run in parrallel and certainly cant afford any more Altium Frankenstein experiments. Mike Reagan EDSI

Re: [PEDA] Dxp forum

2002-08-27 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
This forum has really gone downhill I think its time to bail this forum and see what is happening in the DXP forum. Can anyone post the link for the DXP forum Frankly Im tired of hearing , My protel doesnt work with SCSI, or cd rom , or doesnt run nwhen I listen to nSync in the backround on

Re: [PEDA] Dxp forum

2002-08-28 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
don't have much to say about it. (other than the I forgot if it does this...can someone tell me? or the newbie questions which have been answered pretty darn fast. You take it easy Mike. Maybe we'll see ya on the DXP forum someday. -Original Message- From: Michael Reagan (EDSI

Re: [PEDA] Service Pack 7 - or free DXP

2002-08-30 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
. Mike - Original Message - From: Andrew Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Service Pack 7 - or free DXP -Original Message- From: Michael Reagan (EDSI) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [PEDA] Service Pack 7 - or free DXP

2002-08-30 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Mattias Ericson wrote Often a customer wanted to get for example 5 schematics and 1 pcb. Eventually they changed and it was possible to sell and upgrade individual packages. Not only is that, there are still customers and small companies out there that want only schematic capture tools at a

Re: [PEDA] Service Pack 7 vs DXP issues

2002-08-30 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
I probably would pay for SP7 with as long as they met the long list of our requirements also. Mike Reagan - Original Message - From: Dennis Saputelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Service Pack 7 vs

Re: [PEDA] Service Pack 7 vs DXP issues

2002-08-31 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
What Rob Young stated is what I have been saying for since Accel was acquired. Just Like some of you, I am taking a very hard look at other programs. A very hard lookMy future depends on having the right software for my requirements not someone dictating what my requirements are.

Re: [PEDA] Service Pack 7 vs DXP issues

2002-08-31 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Dennis wrote: now such arrogance can actually be ok if they are truly visionary and much smarter than we are (which is something i would hope to be the case) Well I thought they were prophets until they decided to drop ddb format after cramming it down my throat in the first place. I was

Re: [PEDA] Hard Look at other Programms

2002-09-04 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Bob Wolfe wrote I do feel the VeriBest router still beats Specctra though. If you really look at this program it runs circles around anything else for interactive routing. Not just interactive routing , there is more to interactive routing than placing traces. Mentor understands dedign rules

Re: [PEDA] SV: Hard Look at other Programms

2002-09-04 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
The guy said there had been a rush of demo downloads today from American Protel users - you know who you are :) Geez did that make me laugh I don't doubt it Their site is probably overloaded today Mike Reagan EDSI

Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Hard Look at other Programms

2002-09-04 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Colin, My apologies if I am wrong about the netlist. I was unable to do anything with it nor were any Mentor reps able to help me at the time. (JUN-July of this year) I might attend another workshop later this month and am going to work outside of their canned demo and get some factory

Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?)

2002-09-10 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Jami wrote: When I pointed this out to Roger on the first day of a three day international Design Aids DS1Users Group Meeting hosted by Boeing in Seattle Washington in the fall of 1983 (84?), he immediately left the conference early and flew back to Southern California so that he could

Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?)

2002-09-10 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Jami wrote That is why I have floated several different proposals here in this forum, ranging from SP7, to free upgrades to DXP (without ATS) for all who bought into Protel 99 SE at its current level due to the fact that it actually does have problems and these people have never received any

Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?)

2002-09-10 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Subject: Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?) Michael, See below, JaMi - Original Message - From: Michael Reagan (EDSI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 5:44 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?) Jami

Re: [PEDA] GTC - Guaranteed To Crash

2002-09-11 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Yea Ive had noticed that about a year ago and might have reported it, It happens if when turn off all of the signal/plane layers. I just figured if I never use it that mode it never crashes. Also if you turn off of all the clearance rules it will cause a crash. There are a few other

Re: [PEDA] Inner pad feature

2002-09-17 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Mark After I thought about it a little, the inner pad actually may serve as barrier to prevent a trace to close to the drill. Regardless, This issue is not about removing or changing annular ring , this is about removing unwanted pads. Annular ring is and unwanted pads are two different

Re: [PEDA] Inner pad feature

2002-09-17 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
can get as much other stuf fin there as you can, and still really see what tou are doinf as well as have the coverage of DRC. JaMi - Original Message - From: Michael Reagan (EDSI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 10:15 AM

Re: [PEDA] Inner pad feature

2002-09-17 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Inner pad feature On 05:49 PM 17/09/2002 -0400, Michael Reagan (EDSI) said: Exactly JAMI A BGA application is ideal for dumping the pad. It might make the difference between using twice as many layers to route a BGA Mike The padstack

Re: [PEDA] Inner pad feature

2002-09-17 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Mr. Lomax wrote: But it does not make the gained space safe for routing, because we can assume that, if routing density is an issue, via pads have been already been reduced in size to the minimum annular ring necessary to avoid breakout, as Mr. Koitmaa notes. And thus it is possible for the

Re: [PEDA] Inner pad feature

2002-09-17 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Mr. Lomax wrote: But it does not make the gained space safe for routing, because we can assume that, if routing density is an issue, via pads have been already been reduced in size to the minimum annular ring necessary to avoid breakout, as Mr. Koitmaa notes. And thus it is possible for the

Re: [PEDA] Changing Ratsnest Colors in PCB 99SE

2002-10-03 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
you can also globally change all of the nets colors using the same method listed below then hit global. it will change all of the colors Mike Reagan - Original Message - From: Brad Velander [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002

Re: [PEDA] Database maxed: Update

2002-10-08 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
MikeR You are doing something very wrong (somewhere) if your DDB is a 1GB. I m working on a design with 2500 components, 4500 nets, 21000 nodes and the ddb is only 18 meg. Yes it is slow as molasses but still only 18 meg. MikeR if you want to send one of us your ddb , zip it , and I will be

[PEDA] PADS conversion

2002-10-09 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Hello all I have two very old PADS files dating back to 1996 not even sure what PADS versions these are in , either Perform or Works. I only have PADS from 2.0 up which will not read these PADS job files. I need to get the ASCII conversion for these files so that I can then read them into

Re: [PEDA] flipping board

2002-10-09 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
Yea Jami and how do you propose to get pin 1 not reversed then populating all of the components on the board all backwards? We call that smoke then fire. Mike - Original Message - From: JaMi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: JaMi Smith [EMAIL

Re: [PEDA] flipping board

2002-10-10 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
The only thing left now is Jun is now producing a design counter to IPC guidelines for documentation, Primary side is on the bottom. - Original Message - From: Rick Wilson (Protta) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:03 AM

[PEDA] (PEDA] PCB: place track

2002-10-25 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
I dont know if this topic has been covered before but. in 99SE, I set up a hotkey (W) to PCB: PlaceTrack.I disabled W so that Windows menu does not interfere. When I place track using my W key it always places an invisble trace which has NO NET assigned to it.I tried the same thing on

Re: [PEDA] (PEDA] PCB: place track

2002-10-25 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
, but it is not as smart for setting the right net and width etc Dennis Saputelli Michael Reagan (EDSI) wrote: I dont know if this topic has been covered before but. in 99SE, I set up a hotkey (W) to PCB: PlaceTrack.I disabled W so that Windows menu does not interfere. When I place track using my W

Re: [PEDA] (PEDA] PCB: place track

2002-10-25 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
and thanks to you too Harry for the right answer Mike - Original Message - From: Harry Selfridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] (PEDA] PCB: place track Well, the first thing that comes to mind is that