Re: [PEDA] Camtastic Array function border.
I have been using P99SE for several years, but I haven't used Camtastic very much. I don't have the Camtastic Manual and can't find it on the Protel website any more. Anyway, I created a pretty simple little .8 by 1 inch board in P99SE and used the CAM manager to create Gerbers. Then I imported the gerbers into Camtastic with the Gerber quick load feature. I then used the Camtastic array function to create a 5X5 array of this board with a tab route channel of .1 inch between boards. Everything worked fine except Camtastic insisted on putting a .050 border around the whole array. I don't want the border. I asked my PC board vendor to remove the border and they did, but I can't seem to figure out how to remove the border in Camtastic to avoid this in the future. Anybody know how to do this? Thanks, Lloyd Johnson, DSS San Marcos Calif. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] CamTastic Drill Tool table
Is there a way to define rooms from the schematic and if so how? also is there a way to turn off room visability without turning off the layer the room is on? _ Tired of slow downloads and busy signals? Get a high-speed Internet connection! Comparison-shop your local high-speed providers here. https://broadband.msn.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic and P99SE
Hmmm, the weird thing when I "query" a segment is that the entire net is selected and queried. I'm not use "query net", just "query." It says it's D code 117 which is defined as a 12 mil 'open polyline' I have no idea why it thinks it's an open poly line as opposed to a regular line. This seems to be related to the problem. The first segment of an open polyline seems to translate, but the rest is missing. I would think since Protel owns Camtastic they could put some effort into making the two products work better together. It would be great if they could integrate the two properly, but I'd at least like to see Camtastic as a gerber front end for Protel. > -Original Message- > From: Harry Selfridge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 11:21 AM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic and P99SE > > > A couple of things that come to mind could cause a track not to import > properly into Protel. > > First - select one of the troublesome tracks in Camtastic, and verify the > aperture. If the aperture is too small - or undefined - the > track won't be > visible in Protel. > > Second - you can check the entry in the Gerber file for one of > the missing > tracks. Get one of the end points from Camtastic, then do a search for > that point in the Gerber file with a text editor. You can then > verify that > the draw is defined the way Protel expects it to be (as discussed in > Knowledge Base Article 2215). > > The sad story is that sometimes you just can't easily get there from > here. Protel has openly stated that the Gerber import is not intended to > import anything except the Gerber files generated by Protel. > > > At 01:00 AM 6/16/02 -0700, you wrote: > >That didn't help much. I was already on the right track. The problem I'm > >having is that several tracks are missing from the gerber read > into Protel. > >I see them just fine in Camtastic, but they are "missing" when read into > >P99SE > snip > > > > * Tracking #: D3332460E02C184DB24B0BB8DADD016CD28ECF53 > * > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic and P99SE
A couple of things that come to mind could cause a track not to import properly into Protel. First - select one of the troublesome tracks in Camtastic, and verify the aperture. If the aperture is too small - or undefined - the track won't be visible in Protel. Second - you can check the entry in the Gerber file for one of the missing tracks. Get one of the end points from Camtastic, then do a search for that point in the Gerber file with a text editor. You can then verify that the draw is defined the way Protel expects it to be (as discussed in Knowledge Base Article 2215). The sad story is that sometimes you just can't easily get there from here. Protel has openly stated that the Gerber import is not intended to import anything except the Gerber files generated by Protel. At 01:00 AM 6/16/02 -0700, you wrote: >That didn't help much. I was already on the right track. The problem I'm >having is that several tracks are missing from the gerber read into Protel. >I see them just fine in Camtastic, but they are "missing" when read into >P99SE snip * Tracking #: D3332460E02C184DB24B0BB8DADD016CD28ECF53 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic and P99SE
That didn't help much. I was already on the right track. The problem I'm having is that several tracks are missing from the gerber read into Protel. I see them just fine in Camtastic, but they are "missing" when read into P99SE > -Original Message- > From: Harry Selfridge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 12:24 AM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic and P99SE > > > Look at Protel Knowledge Base item 2215 - it does a good job of > explaining > what Protel wants for Gerber import. > > At 11:16 PM 6/15/02 -0700, you wrote: > >OK, I've been screwing around with editing gerber files and I'm getting > >closer. > > > >The top of the Camtastic generated gerber file looked like this: > > > >G04 CAM Products 2000 RS274-X Output* > >G04 Serial Number: -00-0* > >G04 File Name:C:\design\spectral\Rcc00340\Rcc003\CONVERT.GBL * > >%FSLAX34Y34*% > >%MOIN*% > >%SFA1B1*% > >... > > > > > >while the top of one of my Protel generated gerber files looked > like this: > > > >%FSLAX24Y24*% > >%MOIN*% > >G70* > >G01* > >G75* > >%ADD10R,0.0160X0.0500*% > > > > > >I removed the first 3 lines that start with G04 and Protel accepted the > >file! > >Some parts are missing...(I really don't know why) but I'm > getting closer. > > > >Any assistance to get a clean, accurate gerber load would still > be useful! > > > >Tony > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 11:10 PM > > > To: Protel EDA Forum > > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic and P99SE > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to use Camtastic to import gerber data from PADS so I > > > can read it > > > into Protel99SE. I'm having a hell of a time. > > > > > > Camtastic (for some unknown reason) couldn't read the > aperture list I was > > > given with the PADS gerber data, so I manually created it > from the list. I > > > see the board perfectly now in Camtastic, and I want to export > > > the data in a > > > gerber format that Protel is happy with. (I wish the gerber > > > reader in Protel > > > was more robust) > > > > > > Anyway, I did a gerber export in RS-274 and RS-274X and > neither one can be > > > read by Protel. I know people have done this, but I haven't found the > > > correct procedure yet. > > > > > > When I try to import into a P99SE PCB, I get a blank PCB. > > > > > > Can anyone assist? > > > > snip > > > > * Tracking #: 241FF2961EA2AF40AAC35F62EC31591B7C0CFE94 > * > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic and P99SE
Thanks, I'll check it out... > -Original Message- > From: Harry Selfridge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 12:24 AM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic and P99SE > > > Look at Protel Knowledge Base item 2215 - it does a good job of > explaining > what Protel wants for Gerber import. > > At 11:16 PM 6/15/02 -0700, you wrote: > >OK, I've been screwing around with editing gerber files and I'm getting > >closer. > > > >The top of the Camtastic generated gerber file looked like this: > > > >G04 CAM Products 2000 RS274-X Output* > >G04 Serial Number: -00-0* > >G04 File Name:C:\design\spectral\Rcc00340\Rcc003\CONVERT.GBL * > >%FSLAX34Y34*% > >%MOIN*% > >%SFA1B1*% > >... > > > > > >while the top of one of my Protel generated gerber files looked > like this: > > > >%FSLAX24Y24*% > >%MOIN*% > >G70* > >G01* > >G75* > >%ADD10R,0.0160X0.0500*% > > > > > >I removed the first 3 lines that start with G04 and Protel accepted the > >file! > >Some parts are missing...(I really don't know why) but I'm > getting closer. > > > >Any assistance to get a clean, accurate gerber load would still > be useful! > > > >Tony > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 11:10 PM > > > To: Protel EDA Forum > > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic and P99SE > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to use Camtastic to import gerber data from PADS so I > > > can read it > > > into Protel99SE. I'm having a hell of a time. > > > > > > Camtastic (for some unknown reason) couldn't read the > aperture list I was > > > given with the PADS gerber data, so I manually created it > from the list. I > > > see the board perfectly now in Camtastic, and I want to export > > > the data in a > > > gerber format that Protel is happy with. (I wish the gerber > > > reader in Protel > > > was more robust) > > > > > > Anyway, I did a gerber export in RS-274 and RS-274X and > neither one can be > > > read by Protel. I know people have done this, but I haven't found the > > > correct procedure yet. > > > > > > When I try to import into a P99SE PCB, I get a blank PCB. > > > > > > Can anyone assist? > > > > snip > > > > * Tracking #: 241FF2961EA2AF40AAC35F62EC31591B7C0CFE94 > * > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic and P99SE
Look at Protel Knowledge Base item 2215 - it does a good job of explaining what Protel wants for Gerber import. At 11:16 PM 6/15/02 -0700, you wrote: >OK, I've been screwing around with editing gerber files and I'm getting >closer. > >The top of the Camtastic generated gerber file looked like this: > >G04 CAM Products 2000 RS274-X Output* >G04 Serial Number: -00-0* >G04 File Name:C:\design\spectral\Rcc00340\Rcc003\CONVERT.GBL * >%FSLAX34Y34*% >%MOIN*% >%SFA1B1*% >... > > >while the top of one of my Protel generated gerber files looked like this: > >%FSLAX24Y24*% >%MOIN*% >G70* >G01* >G75* >%ADD10R,0.0160X0.0500*% > > >I removed the first 3 lines that start with G04 and Protel accepted the >file! >Some parts are missing...(I really don't know why) but I'm getting closer. > >Any assistance to get a clean, accurate gerber load would still be useful! > >Tony > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 11:10 PM > > To: Protel EDA Forum > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic and P99SE > > > > > > I'm trying to use Camtastic to import gerber data from PADS so I > > can read it > > into Protel99SE. I'm having a hell of a time. > > > > Camtastic (for some unknown reason) couldn't read the aperture list I was > > given with the PADS gerber data, so I manually created it from the list. I > > see the board perfectly now in Camtastic, and I want to export > > the data in a > > gerber format that Protel is happy with. (I wish the gerber > > reader in Protel > > was more robust) > > > > Anyway, I did a gerber export in RS-274 and RS-274X and neither one can be > > read by Protel. I know people have done this, but I haven't found the > > correct procedure yet. > > > > When I try to import into a P99SE PCB, I get a blank PCB. > > > > Can anyone assist? > > snip * Tracking #: 241FF2961EA2AF40AAC35F62EC31591B7C0CFE94 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic and P99SE
I mistakenly typed PADS when I meant PCAD. (maybe that makes a difference to anyone thinking of an answer) Everything else is still the same (I need help) Tony > -Original Message- > From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 11:10 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic and P99SE > > > I'm trying to use Camtastic to import gerber data from PADS so I > can read it > into Protel99SE. I'm having a hell of a time. > > Camtastic (for some unknown reason) couldn't read the aperture list I was > given with the PADS gerber data, so I manually created it from the list. I > see the board perfectly now in Camtastic, and I want to export > the data in a > gerber format that Protel is happy with. (I wish the gerber > reader in Protel > was more robust) > > Anyway, I did a gerber export in RS-274 and RS-274X and neither one can be > read by Protel. I know people have done this, but I haven't found the > correct procedure yet. > > When I try to import into a P99SE PCB, I get a blank PCB. > > Can anyone assist? > > Tony > > > > * Tracking #: 0701B28FA56630408B1D204126CFAC00122B6B05 > * > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic and P99SE
OK, I've been screwing around with editing gerber files and I'm getting closer. The top of the Camtastic generated gerber file looked like this: G04 CAM Products 2000 RS274-X Output* G04 Serial Number: -00-0* G04 File Name:C:\design\spectral\Rcc00340\Rcc003\CONVERT.GBL * %FSLAX34Y34*% %MOIN*% %SFA1B1*% ... while the top of one of my Protel generated gerber files looked like this: %FSLAX24Y24*% %MOIN*% G70* G01* G75* %ADD10R,0.0160X0.0500*% I removed the first 3 lines that start with G04 and Protel accepted the file! Some parts are missing...(I really don't know why) but I'm getting closer. Any assistance to get a clean, accurate gerber load would still be useful! Tony > -Original Message- > From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 11:10 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic and P99SE > > > I'm trying to use Camtastic to import gerber data from PADS so I > can read it > into Protel99SE. I'm having a hell of a time. > > Camtastic (for some unknown reason) couldn't read the aperture list I was > given with the PADS gerber data, so I manually created it from the list. I > see the board perfectly now in Camtastic, and I want to export > the data in a > gerber format that Protel is happy with. (I wish the gerber > reader in Protel > was more robust) > > Anyway, I did a gerber export in RS-274 and RS-274X and neither one can be > read by Protel. I know people have done this, but I haven't found the > correct procedure yet. > > When I try to import into a P99SE PCB, I get a blank PCB. > > Can anyone assist? > > Tony > > > > * Tracking #: 0701B28FA56630408B1D204126CFAC00122B6B05 > * > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic and P99SE
I'm trying to use Camtastic to import gerber data from PADS so I can read it into Protel99SE. I'm having a hell of a time. Camtastic (for some unknown reason) couldn't read the aperture list I was given with the PADS gerber data, so I manually created it from the list. I see the board perfectly now in Camtastic, and I want to export the data in a gerber format that Protel is happy with. (I wish the gerber reader in Protel was more robust) Anyway, I did a gerber export in RS-274 and RS-274X and neither one can be read by Protel. I know people have done this, but I haven't found the correct procedure yet. When I try to import into a P99SE PCB, I get a blank PCB. Can anyone assist? Tony * Tracking #: 0701B28FA56630408B1D204126CFAC00122B6B05 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic installation
Thanks Ted, Yea that is all we want to do with it ...view it Mike > -Original Message- > From: Ted Tontis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:15 PM > To: 'Protel EDA Forum' > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic installation > > > Mike, > If this is just to view the files Camtastic offers a free viewer > http://www.camtastic.com/en/downloads/sfiles.asp you just will not be able > to edit the files. > > Regards, > > Ted > > -Original Message- > From: Michael Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:06 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic installation > > > Thanks Matt > > Well appreciated > > Mike Reagan > > > -Original Message- > > From: Matt Pobursky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:20 PM > > To: Protel EDA Forum > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic installation > > > > > > I don't believe so. I tried it once a few months ago on a new > > machine with no Protel instal (yet) and it gave me an error > > dialog box stating "No valid installation of Protel99SE found" > > (or something to that effect). Closing the error box exited the > > installation. > > > > Matt Pobursky > > Maximum Performance Systems > > > > On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:25:17 -0500, Michael Reagan wrote: > > >Does anyone know if Camtastic will install as a stand alone > > >product ( not using the lic number from the pcb product) We > > >wish to install a seat of it on our production manager's > > >computer so he can inspect paste files. We have about 5 seats > > >of Camtastic and only three are being used with designers. > > > > > > > > >Mike Reagan > > > > > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic installation
Mike, If this is just to view the files Camtastic offers a free viewer http://www.camtastic.com/en/downloads/sfiles.asp you just will not be able to edit the files. Regards, Ted -Original Message- From: Michael Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:06 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic installation Thanks Matt Well appreciated Mike Reagan > -Original Message- > From: Matt Pobursky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:20 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic installation > > > I don't believe so. I tried it once a few months ago on a new > machine with no Protel instal (yet) and it gave me an error > dialog box stating "No valid installation of Protel99SE found" > (or something to that effect). Closing the error box exited the > installation. > > Matt Pobursky > Maximum Performance Systems > > On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:25:17 -0500, Michael Reagan wrote: > >Does anyone know if Camtastic will install as a stand alone > >product ( not using the lic number from the pcb product) We > >wish to install a seat of it on our production manager's > >computer so he can inspect paste files. We have about 5 seats > >of Camtastic and only three are being used with designers. > > > > > >Mike Reagan > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic installation
Thanks Matt Well appreciated Mike Reagan > -Original Message- > From: Matt Pobursky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:20 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic installation > > > I don't believe so. I tried it once a few months ago on a new > machine with no Protel instal (yet) and it gave me an error > dialog box stating "No valid installation of Protel99SE found" > (or something to that effect). Closing the error box exited the > installation. > > Matt Pobursky > Maximum Performance Systems > > On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:25:17 -0500, Michael Reagan wrote: > >Does anyone know if Camtastic will install as a stand alone > >product ( not using the lic number from the pcb product) We > >wish to install a seat of it on our production manager's > >computer so he can inspect paste files. We have about 5 seats > >of Camtastic and only three are being used with designers. > > > > > >Mike Reagan > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic installation
I don't believe so. I tried it once a few months ago on a new machine with no Protel instal (yet) and it gave me an error dialog box stating "No valid installation of Protel99SE found" (or something to that effect). Closing the error box exited the installation. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:25:17 -0500, Michael Reagan wrote: >Does anyone know if Camtastic will install as a stand alone >product ( not using the lic number from the pcb product) We >wish to install a seat of it on our production manager's >computer so he can inspect paste files. We have about 5 seats >of Camtastic and only three are being used with designers. > > >Mike Reagan > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic
At 08:41 AM 1/25/2002 -0800, Brad Velander wrote: >I export the report files and typically do not >delete them until after I have thoroughly checked all my Gerbers, seems to >have no effect on the stated problem. I don't delete them at all and have never seen the reported problem. Since Protel CSC or Altium ATS or whatever it's called now has acknowledged the problem as a path length bug, it seems that this issue is fairly well nailed down [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic
Florian, your solution seems to be slightly off-base. I do exactly what you say not to do, if my directory structure is not over a certain length, I don't see the problem. If my directory structure goes over a certain length, the problem appears. I think that you must have done something else during your trial and error testing of this problem which appeared to make your stated solution work for you. I export the report files and typically do not delete them until after I have thoroughly checked all my Gerbers, seems to have no effect on the stated problem. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. #300 - 4401 Still Creek Drive, Burnaby, B.C., Canada, V5C 6G9. Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 Website: www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Florian Finsterbusch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 12:22 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic Hello Tom, we have had the same problems with text superimposed over pads. Because not all of our files where affected, i've made some different setups in the Protel CAM-Manager to find the reason for that behaviour. You will only get these superimposed text blocks if you export report-files (testpoints, status, ...) to the same directory as your Gerber-Files. The problem will diasappear if you: 1. switch off the creation off these report-files in your CAM-Manager 2. don't export these report-files 3. delete the report-files or copy them to a own directory (sub-folder) Regards, Florian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic
Hello Tom, we have had the same problems with text superimposed over pads. Because not all of our files where affected, i've made some different setups in the Protel CAM-Manager to find the reason for that behaviour. You will only get these superimposed text blocks if you export report-files (testpoints, status, ...) to the same directory as your Gerber-Files. The problem will diasappear if you: 1. switch off the creation off these report-files in your CAM-Manager 2. don't export these report-files 3. delete the report-files or copy them to a own directory (sub-folder) Regards, Florian > -Original Message- > From: Tom Kress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:25 AM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: [PEDA] Camtastic > > > Folks, > We use CAMtastic as a gerber verification tool and it does the job > reasonably well. > However...one thing that we can't seem to get around is the annoying text > blocks that are superimposed over the pads of imported gerber files. > This is real hassle when printing out layers as the text increases in size > with zoom factor completely obliterating some of the details. > The text takes the form of the gerber filename and as of yet we are unable > to turn off or delete this unwelcome "feature" as it also affects the > printout quality ( > > If anyone from the forum has experienced the same with a possible solution > it would be greatly appreciated. Protel tech support didn't offer much. > > Regards, > Tom. > > > > > > At 15:44 23/01/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Wayne -Where can I find the 2 products that you mentioned? > >Sean James > >PCB Designer > >Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. > >102 Grove Street > >Worcester, MA 01605 > >(TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 > >(FAX) 413.541.6170 > > > >----- Original Message - > >From: "Wayne Trow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 2:03 PM > >Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic > > > > > > > > > > Shawn, > > > > > > In my opinion CAMtastic is a lemon. > > > > > > I use Isolator 3.3.0 (a graphicode product - same as gc-prevue) for my > > > "CAM-ing". Isolator is old now, superceeded by GC-CAMEdit and > > > GC-PowerStation (also by Gaphicode) but it does absolutely everything I > > > need where as CAMtastic lacks features that I need for our system. > > > > > > I have dabled in CAMtastic - I had to draw up a report comparing several > > > different CAM packages so I needed to know the insides out. So fire you > > > questions to the forum and you should get an answer from me or other > > > learned persons. > > > > > > Wayne Trow > > > PCB Design Technician > > > Gallagher Group LTD > > > Hamilton > > > NEW ZEALAND > > > [p] +64 7 838 9800 ext 8737 > > > [f] +64 7 838 9801 > > > [e] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "SHAWN" > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > meeng.com> cc: > > >Subject: [PEDA] Camtastic > > > 24/01/02 04:53 > > > Please respond > > > to "Protel EDA > > > Forum" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't seen any posting here about CAMtastic. I'm using the program > > > simply to panelize some boards for production. I would be interested in > > > hearing opinions on the product or receiving advice on the process, from > >an > > > experienced user. > > > > > > Thanks, Shawn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > Tom Kress > CAD Group Manager > > Vision Fire & Security > 14 Parkway, Technology Park > Mawson Lakes SA 5095 > Australia > > Phone: > Direct Extn:+61 8 8462 1131 > Switchboard:+61 8 8462 1000 > Mobile: 0438 558 966 > > Fax: +61 8 8462 1001 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > --
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic
Tom, what are the settings you use to get the text showing up ? as I cant seem to recreate your problem. please elaborate Wayne Trow PCB Design Technician Gallagher Group LTD Hamilton NEW ZEALAND [p] +64 7 838 9800 ext 8737 [f] +64 7 838 9801 [e] [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Tom Kress" ro.com.au> cc: Subject: [PEDA] Camtastic 24/01/02 13:24 Please respond to "Protel EDA Forum" Folks, We use CAMtastic as a gerber verification tool and it does the job reasonably well. However...one thing that we can't seem to get around is the annoying text blocks that are superimposed over the pads of imported gerber files. This is real hassle when printing out layers as the text increases in size with zoom factor completely obliterating some of the details. The text takes the form of the gerber filename and as of yet we are unable to turn off or delete this unwelcome "feature" as it also affects the printout quality ( If anyone from the forum has experienced the same with a possible solution it would be greatly appreciated. Protel tech support didn't offer much. Regards, Tom. At 15:44 23/01/02 -0500, you wrote: >Wayne -Where can I find the 2 products that you mentioned? >Sean James >PCB Designer >Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. >102 Grove Street >Worcester, MA 01605 >(TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 >(FAX) 413.541.6170 > >- Original Message - >From: "Wayne Trow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 2:03 PM >Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic > > > > > > Shawn, > > > > In my opinion CAMtastic is a lemon. > > > > I use Isolator 3.3.0 (a graphicode product - same as gc-prevue) for my > > "CAM-ing". Isolator is old now, superceeded by GC-CAMEdit and > > GC-PowerStation (also by Gaphicode) but it does absolutely everything I > > need where as CAMtastic lacks features that I need for our system. > > > > I have dabled in CAMtastic - I had to draw up a report comparing several > > different CAM packages so I needed to know the insides out. So fire you > > questions to the forum and you should get an answer from me or other > > learned persons. > > > > Wayne Trow > > PCB Design Technician > > Gallagher Group LTD > > Hamilton > > NEW ZEALAND > > [p] +64 7 838 9800 ext 8737 > > [f] +64 7 838 9801 > > [e] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > "SHAWN" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > meeng.com> cc: > >Subject: [PEDA] Camtastic > > 24/01/02 04:53 > > Please respond > > to "Protel EDA > > Forum" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't seen any posting here about CAMtastic. I'm using the program > > simply to panelize some boards for production. I would be interested in > > hearing opinions on the product or receiving advice on the process, from >an > > experienced user. > > > > Thanks, Shawn > > > > > > > > > > > > * Tom Kress CAD Group Manager Vision Fire & Security 14 Parkway, Technology Park Mawson Lakes SA 5095 Australia Phone: D
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic
I think Camtastic is Fantastic. I do a lot of test fixtures and need the DXF feature so I can export to mechanical vendors. I also use it to make bitmap files for insertion into word doc files. I also used it to import Mentor Gerbers and export Gerbers suitable for Protel (turn off all optimization, and manually remove the G code comments at the top of the output Gerber file). I've noticed a few problems, like requiring you to switch to 256 color mode to output a 300 dpi bitmap. Not outputting a 600 dpi bitmap at all, and not giving an error message. I also had a hell of a time finding the preference menu (it's in the file display, one of the unlabled icons at the bottom of it). But all in all, it is a pretty fine piece of work. It is at least as bug free as Protel, lol. Rocky * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic
GC-CAMEdit and Powerstation are graphicode products www.graphicode.com Wayne Trow PCB Design Technician Gallagher Group LTD Hamilton NEW ZEALAND [p] +64 7 838 9800 ext 8737 [f] +64 7 838 9801 [e] [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Sean James" fiber.com> cc: Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic 24/01/02 09:44 Please respond to "Protel EDA Forum" Wayne -Where can I find the 2 products that you mentioned? Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 - Original Message - From: "Wayne Trow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic > > Shawn, > > In my opinion CAMtastic is a lemon. > > I use Isolator 3.3.0 (a graphicode product - same as gc-prevue) for my > "CAM-ing". Isolator is old now, superceeded by GC-CAMEdit and > GC-PowerStation (also by Gaphicode) but it does absolutely everything I > need where as CAMtastic lacks features that I need for our system. > > I have dabled in CAMtastic - I had to draw up a report comparing several > different CAM packages so I needed to know the insides out. So fire you > questions to the forum and you should get an answer from me or other > learned persons. > > Wayne Trow > PCB Design Technician > Gallagher Group LTD > Hamilton > NEW ZEALAND > [p] +64 7 838 9800 ext 8737 > [f] +64 7 838 9801 > [e] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > "SHAWN" > > meeng.com> cc: >Subject: [PEDA] Camtastic > 24/01/02 04:53 > Please respond > to "Protel EDA > Forum" > > > > > > > I haven't seen any posting here about CAMtastic. I'm using the program > simply to panelize some boards for production. I would be interested in > hearing opinions on the product or receiving advice on the process, from an > experienced user. > > Thanks, Shawn > > > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic
Wayne -Where can I find the 2 products that you mentioned? Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 - Original Message - From: "Wayne Trow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic > > Shawn, > > In my opinion CAMtastic is a lemon. > > I use Isolator 3.3.0 (a graphicode product - same as gc-prevue) for my > "CAM-ing". Isolator is old now, superceeded by GC-CAMEdit and > GC-PowerStation (also by Gaphicode) but it does absolutely everything I > need where as CAMtastic lacks features that I need for our system. > > I have dabled in CAMtastic - I had to draw up a report comparing several > different CAM packages so I needed to know the insides out. So fire you > questions to the forum and you should get an answer from me or other > learned persons. > > Wayne Trow > PCB Design Technician > Gallagher Group LTD > Hamilton > NEW ZEALAND > [p] +64 7 838 9800 ext 8737 > [f] +64 7 838 9801 > [e] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > "SHAWN" > > meeng.com> cc: >Subject: [PEDA] Camtastic > 24/01/02 04:53 > Please respond > to "Protel EDA > Forum" > > > > > > > I haven't seen any posting here about CAMtastic. I'm using the program > simply to panelize some boards for production. I would be interested in > hearing opinions on the product or receiving advice on the process, from an > experienced user. > > Thanks, Shawn > > > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic
Thanks for the information, Wayne. Shawn - Original Message - From: "Wayne Trow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic > > Shawn, > > In my opinion CAMtastic is a lemon. > > I use Isolator 3.3.0 (a graphicode product - same as gc-prevue) for my > "CAM-ing". Isolator is old now, superceeded by GC-CAMEdit and > GC-PowerStation (also by Gaphicode) but it does absolutely everything I > need where as CAMtastic lacks features that I need for our system. > > I have dabled in CAMtastic - I had to draw up a report comparing several > different CAM packages so I needed to know the insides out. So fire you > questions to the forum and you should get an answer from me or other > learned persons. > > Wayne Trow > PCB Design Technician > Gallagher Group LTD > Hamilton > NEW ZEALAND > [p] +64 7 838 9800 ext 8737 > [f] +64 7 838 9801 > [e] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > "SHAWN" > > meeng.com> cc: >Subject: [PEDA] Camtastic > 24/01/02 04:53 > Please respond > to "Protel EDA > Forum" > > > > > > > I haven't seen any posting here about CAMtastic. I'm using the program > simply to panelize some boards for production. I would be interested in > hearing opinions on the product or receiving advice on the process, from an > experienced user. > > Thanks, Shawn > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic
Sean, this could be a very long set of instructions and I don't have time to go through it all right now. My best suggestion is to download the Camtastic manual from the Protel website. It will give you the basics and then you can ask more specific questions about detailed operations that are not clear to you. I am not sure that anybody would have the time to cover such a broad topic as you have queried. You can find the manual at: http://www.camtastic.com/en/support/docs.asp Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. #300 - 4401 Still Creek Drive, Burnaby, B.C., Canada, V5C 6G9. Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 Website: www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Sean James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:31 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Camtastic Could somebody give me instructions on how to A) Load in Protel gerber files (with drill) into Camtastic B) Join 2 or more boards together to create a pallet (Some of our projects have multiple boards - we would like to panelize to reduce tooling costs) C) Output the final database to new gerber files (with drill) D) Anything else I missed Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel?
At 01:25 PM 8/16/01 -0700, Mark Koitmaa wrote: [re panelization in Protel] >[...] In either case you probably have better things to do with [your] time. Right. "Probably" covers the occasional exception, perhaps where the panel is the deliverable. Even then there is a better way than multiplying all the primitives. >If your facilities still insist you do it, use Camtastic but do your >documentation in Protel. Camtastic can handle the step and repeat with >ease, and the Protel database will remain intact for future revisions! I've panelized when I wanted the panel delivered. And then I needed to make a change. I had to made 32 changes instead of one. Keep a single database, one-up. You might add to that any features that are to be repeated; what is not to be repeated might be added to a mech layer for combination later. Everything will then be fully specified. The mech layer can be merged after the step-and-repeat. This can be done in CAMtastic, I am sure, or the fabricator can do it. Fabricators are already stepping and repeating almost every board they do. Some prototype fabricators are combining jobs from different customers into a single panel, this is why you can get 1 or 2 boards so cheap from them. They explicitly don't want you to panelize; you'd have to convince them that you needed it and were not just trying to save a buck. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel?
I can take this project on when I retire ;) Just kidding... I have a web site that could host this info but I don't have enough space to hold the library... Maybe we could get some free webspace to hold it and then it would be a possibility... Bill Brooks PCB Design Engineer , CID DATRON WORLD COMMUNICATIONS, INC <http://www.dtsi.com/>. 3030 Enterprise Court Vista, CA 92083 Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] IPC Designers Council, San Diego Chapter http://www.ipc.org/SanDiego/ http://home.fda.net/bbrooks/pca/pca.htm -Original Message- From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 8:55 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel? These topics seem to come up frequently: 1) How to panelize 2) How to create odd-shaped PCBs, holes, and slots 3) How to create jumper PCB tracks 4) How to create "fuse" PCB tracks 5) How to create PCB spark gaps These topics should be FAQ'ed on our "hypothetical" website. You know, the one with all the nifty PCB footprints. Has anyone started that website yet? I remember some folks saying they were going to take discussion of it to a separate list, but I don't know what that list is. Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: "Brad Velander" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel? > Stephen, > we do this all the time for panelizing multiple designs or just > multiples of a single design. What we do is to completely define one PCB of > the panel, complete with route centerlines, and breaks for the tabs (no > route centerline for a tab). We then just copy the one complete PCB into a > panel, all the routing and holes for "mouse-bits" are copied at once. We > then save the panel under a different file name which indicates it is a > panel. Then if we change something we only edit the original single board > design and then recopy it into the panel outline. For editing and copying a > revised design, I usually mark some mechanical layer with a reference point > before deleting the old revisions from the panel. This just helps you get > things back into the panel again without having to figure out all your > spacing between boards again. > One other tip, we typically use ACAD to do all the board outline > design. Then we can offset to get our route centerline, break that > centerline where we want a tab. Import the board outline into Protel along > with the route centerline onto a mechanical layer. If we wanted mouse-bites > then we add vias of the appropriate size in the proper locations. All this > is within the single PCB design and then gets copied for the panel, thus > panels are no more work then calculating the offset PCB to PCB and using the > paste special, copy array function to get each row or column of PCBs. > > Brad Velander, > Lead PCB Designer, > Norsat International Inc., > #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., > Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. > Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct > Fax (604) 292-9010 > website www.norsat.com > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Stephen Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:57 AM > > To: 'Protel EDA Forum' > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel? > > > > > > I had to try panelizing a PCB the other day, as I had to > > connect all the > > power and GND lines upto a main connector on the panel, so that the > > boards could be assembled on the panel, powered up and tested, as well > > as burn-ins B4 breaking the individual circuits from the panel. > > I tried to do it using paste special command with all keep > > net commands > > checked, but this took forever, and kept crashing, so in the end I > > unchecked the keep net box, but kept the keep designator box, and made > > the panel with DRC errors (I ran the DRC on the individual > > PCB to verify > > everything was OK B4 panelizing). > > I then had to connect all the power lines through a couple of breakout > > tabs of the panel. > > This worked Ok, but I found it hard to set up all the mechanical > > outlines, for the breakout tabs, etc. > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel?
These topics seem to come up frequently: 1) How to panelize 2) How to create odd-shaped PCBs, holes, and slots 3) How to create jumper PCB tracks 4) How to create "fuse" PCB tracks 5) How to create PCB spark gaps These topics should be FAQ'ed on our "hypothetical" website. You know, the one with all the nifty PCB footprints. Has anyone started that website yet? I remember some folks saying they were going to take discussion of it to a separate list, but I don't know what that list is. Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: "Brad Velander" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel? > Stephen, > we do this all the time for panelizing multiple designs or just > multiples of a single design. What we do is to completely define one PCB of > the panel, complete with route centerlines, and breaks for the tabs (no > route centerline for a tab). We then just copy the one complete PCB into a > panel, all the routing and holes for "mouse-bits" are copied at once. We > then save the panel under a different file name which indicates it is a > panel. Then if we change something we only edit the original single board > design and then recopy it into the panel outline. For editing and copying a > revised design, I usually mark some mechanical layer with a reference point > before deleting the old revisions from the panel. This just helps you get > things back into the panel again without having to figure out all your > spacing between boards again. > One other tip, we typically use ACAD to do all the board outline > design. Then we can offset to get our route centerline, break that > centerline where we want a tab. Import the board outline into Protel along > with the route centerline onto a mechanical layer. If we wanted mouse-bites > then we add vias of the appropriate size in the proper locations. All this > is within the single PCB design and then gets copied for the panel, thus > panels are no more work then calculating the offset PCB to PCB and using the > paste special, copy array function to get each row or column of PCBs. > > Brad Velander, > Lead PCB Designer, > Norsat International Inc., > #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., > Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. > Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct > Fax (604) 292-9010 > website www.norsat.com > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Stephen Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:57 AM > > To: 'Protel EDA Forum' > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel? > > > > > > I had to try panelizing a PCB the other day, as I had to > > connect all the > > power and GND lines upto a main connector on the panel, so that the > > boards could be assembled on the panel, powered up and tested, as well > > as burn-ins B4 breaking the individual circuits from the panel. > > I tried to do it using paste special command with all keep > > net commands > > checked, but this took forever, and kept crashing, so in the end I > > unchecked the keep net box, but kept the keep designator box, and made > > the panel with DRC errors (I ran the DRC on the individual > > PCB to verify > > everything was OK B4 panelizing). > > I then had to connect all the power lines through a couple of breakout > > tabs of the panel. > > This worked Ok, but I found it hard to set up all the mechanical > > outlines, for the breakout tabs, etc. > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel?
Stephen, we do this all the time for panelizing multiple designs or just multiples of a single design. What we do is to completely define one PCB of the panel, complete with route centerlines, and breaks for the tabs (no route centerline for a tab). We then just copy the one complete PCB into a panel, all the routing and holes for "mouse-bits" are copied at once. We then save the panel under a different file name which indicates it is a panel. Then if we change something we only edit the original single board design and then recopy it into the panel outline. For editing and copying a revised design, I usually mark some mechanical layer with a reference point before deleting the old revisions from the panel. This just helps you get things back into the panel again without having to figure out all your spacing between boards again. One other tip, we typically use ACAD to do all the board outline design. Then we can offset to get our route centerline, break that centerline where we want a tab. Import the board outline into Protel along with the route centerline onto a mechanical layer. If we wanted mouse-bites then we add vias of the appropriate size in the proper locations. All this is within the single PCB design and then gets copied for the panel, thus panels are no more work then calculating the offset PCB to PCB and using the paste special, copy array function to get each row or column of PCBs. Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604) 292-9010 website www.norsat.com > -Original Message- > From: Stephen Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:57 AM > To: 'Protel EDA Forum' > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel? > > > I had to try panelizing a PCB the other day, as I had to > connect all the > power and GND lines upto a main connector on the panel, so that the > boards could be assembled on the panel, powered up and tested, as well > as burn-ins B4 breaking the individual circuits from the panel. > I tried to do it using paste special command with all keep > net commands > checked, but this took forever, and kept crashing, so in the end I > unchecked the keep net box, but kept the keep designator box, and made > the panel with DRC errors (I ran the DRC on the individual > PCB to verify > everything was OK B4 panelizing). > I then had to connect all the power lines through a couple of breakout > tabs of the panel. > This worked Ok, but I found it hard to set up all the mechanical > outlines, for the breakout tabs, etc. > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel?
While I'm following this thread I'm playing with some new thoughts I caught for panelizing a PCB within Protel. Anyway it is really hard work and much easier to let the PCB house do it for you. However, what do you folks think about an input to Protel for the requirements for a panelizing server for P99SE (that can't be so hard for Protel, can it)? For example: - Beeing able to define a placement array (like in Camtastic) - Further beeing able to place PCB copys in a copy/paste manner for free positionning - Ability to flip individual PCB copys (upside down) - Saving the panel setup for future changes of the PCB - Generating the correct manufacturing files for the Panel (I'm particularly thinking on Pick'n'Place) That are the most importrant requirements for me I already had in the past (and was able to cheat araound). It seems that more of you would have similar requirements. Regards, Emanuel Stephen Smith wrote: > I had to try panelizing a PCB the other day, as I had to connect all the > power and GND lines upto a main connector on the panel, so that the > boards could be assembled on the panel, powered up and tested, as well > as burn-ins B4 breaking the individual circuits from the panel. > I tried to do it using paste special command with all keep net commands > checked, but this took forever, and kept crashing, so in the end I > unchecked the keep net box, but kept the keep designator box, and made > the panel with DRC errors (I ran the DRC on the individual PCB to verify > everything was OK B4 panelizing). > I then had to connect all the power lines through a couple of breakout > tabs of the panel. > This worked Ok, but I found it hard to set up all the mechanical > outlines, for the breakout tabs, etc. > > Steve -- MPL AG www.mpl.ch Emanuel Zimmermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manager R&D Phone: +41 (0)56 483 34 34 Taefernstrasse 20 Fax: +41 (0)56 493 30 20 CH-5405 Daettwil * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel?
I had to try panelizing a PCB the other day, as I had to connect all the power and GND lines upto a main connector on the panel, so that the boards could be assembled on the panel, powered up and tested, as well as burn-ins B4 breaking the individual circuits from the panel. I tried to do it using paste special command with all keep net commands checked, but this took forever, and kept crashing, so in the end I unchecked the keep net box, but kept the keep designator box, and made the panel with DRC errors (I ran the DRC on the individual PCB to verify everything was OK B4 panelizing). I then had to connect all the power lines through a couple of breakout tabs of the panel. This worked Ok, but I found it hard to set up all the mechanical outlines, for the breakout tabs, etc. Steve Does anyone have a good procedure for PCB panelization? I've tried it in Protel (99SE), and it wants to connect all the nets (which I understand). When I try it in Camtastic, there is a lot of router and mousebite info I'd like to add but it doesn't seem like a natural place to add that stuff. I've never been requested to panalize before now. It seems messy. Tony * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel?
I guess I'm lucky, in that my board house uses Protel. My method for panelization is as follows: 1. Create new .ddb file for the panel; 2. copy the boards I want on the panel into new .ddb; 3. Make a new pcb in the .ddb for the panel; 4. open each pcb in turn, and copy just the board outline onto the panel as req'd; 5. save, zip and email to fab house. I get a lot less error when they do the final copy and paste onto the board - there are a lot of little gotcha's that can happen, even if you've done it a hundred times. Cheers, Matthew van de Werken Electronics Engineer CSIRO Exploration & Mining - Gravity Group 1 Technology Court - Pullenvale - Qld - 4069 ph: (07) 3327 4685 fax: (07) 3327 4455 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: Michael Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, 17 August 2001 6:40 AM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel? > > > > > Many designers try to panel a board within Protel. It can be done > > but it's > > messy and I don't recommend it unless you are trying to put > different > > layouts into one panel to save fab costs. > > > > If the purpose of your panel is for economical assembly, use a panel > > drawing, or incorporate the panel drawing into your fabrication > > drawing. To > > do this, simply draw and dimension your panel with > instructions for your > > fab house to step and repeat your CAM data. > > > > > > > I would like to add that I follow Mark K's > recommdation for panelizing . I add the outline to the > drill drawing layer > and add a few fab notes, One more thing you must do is send > the paste file > and request that the paneled paste file is returned to you, > otherwise you > may never be able to generate a paneled screen. This method > also releases > you from many other head-aches if you have to "modify" the > design. You only > need to make changes to one design > > Mike Reagan > Also C.I.D > EDSI Frederick MD > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel?
Hi Mark, I'm paid by the hour in this case, but we need to keep a cap on things, ya know? ;) All good points. I think I basically agree with what you said. Yes, they insist I do it for some odd reason. (Like I said, I haven't had to do this in 14 years.) Thanks for your (and everyone's) feedback. Tony > -Original Message- > From: Mark Koitmaa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:26 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel? > > > A few things to consider... > After doing all the editing and work-arounds required to panel within > Protel, are your going to be able to get a clean DRC? Do you > really want to > do that amount of editing without one? What are you going to do when its > time to rev the design? Are you being paid by the job or by the hour? In > either case you probably have better things to do with you time. > > In my view, if the Protel database contains the panel drawing and > complete > documentation, then the panel is being controlled by one source > file. When > we panel a layout, the 1up layout includes all the holes for the mouse > bites, additional plane clearances, etc. The fab/panel drawing includes > complete panel outlines including support bars and all routing. The fab > house's CAM operators need only do a simple step and repeat. > > If your layout is properly designed and the fabrication and panel > documentation is complete, it should make no difference that the fab is > being subcontracted. If you haven't already done so, try talking to your > 'new facility' and explain that EDA software is not designed for > paneling. > Let them know that the fab facilities are the paneling 'experts', > they have > better tools to do it correctly, and therefor can do it quicker, at less > cost, and more reliably. > > If your facilities still insist you do it, use Camtastic but do your > documentation in Protel. Camtastic can handle the step and repeat with > ease, and the Protel database will remain intact for future revisions! > > Mark Koitmaa, C.I.D. > Certified Interconnect Designer > TechServ > Tel: 408-369-7950 > Fax: 408-369-7952 > http://www.techservinc.com > > > > At 12:16 PM 8/16/2001, you wrote: > >Thanks Dennis and Mark. Wouldn't you know it: the first two responses are > >opposite!! :) > > > >It's being submitted to a new facility which subcontracts the > PCB fab, and > >handles assembly. They indicated it would be best if I control the > >panalization from one source file, that way there is never a problem with > >the data for the PCBs, solder paste panels, etc. > > > >I usually submit the gerber for one board, and everyone "deals" > with it, but > >in this cause I need to create the panalization details. (Not just > >instructions on how to panelize) > > > >Do others have this same requirement? > > > >I tried what Dennis stated, and on a 900MHz machine with 1/2Gig > RAM, Win2000 > >said it was "running low" on virtual memory? Huh? I thought it > had a 3 Gig > >harddrive's worth of virtual memory? (That's the free space on my 20 Gig > >drive) > > > >I'm thinking it might be good to add the support bars and mousebites in > >Protel, then panelize in Camtastic and just connect the board together... > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel?
> Many designers try to panel a board within Protel. It can be done > but it's > messy and I don't recommend it unless you are trying to put different > layouts into one panel to save fab costs. > > If the purpose of your panel is for economical assembly, use a panel > drawing, or incorporate the panel drawing into your fabrication > drawing. To > do this, simply draw and dimension your panel with instructions for your > fab house to step and repeat your CAM data. > > I would like to add that I follow Mark K's recommdation for panelizing . I add the outline to the drill drawing layer and add a few fab notes, One more thing you must do is send the paste file and request that the paneled paste file is returned to you, otherwise you may never be able to generate a paneled screen. This method also releases you from many other head-aches if you have to "modify" the design. You only need to make changes to one design Mike Reagan Also C.I.D EDSI Frederick MD * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel?
A few things to consider... After doing all the editing and work-arounds required to panel within Protel, are your going to be able to get a clean DRC? Do you really want to do that amount of editing without one? What are you going to do when its time to rev the design? Are you being paid by the job or by the hour? In either case you probably have better things to do with you time. In my view, if the Protel database contains the panel drawing and complete documentation, then the panel is being controlled by one source file. When we panel a layout, the 1up layout includes all the holes for the mouse bites, additional plane clearances, etc. The fab/panel drawing includes complete panel outlines including support bars and all routing. The fab house's CAM operators need only do a simple step and repeat. If your layout is properly designed and the fabrication and panel documentation is complete, it should make no difference that the fab is being subcontracted. If you haven't already done so, try talking to your 'new facility' and explain that EDA software is not designed for paneling. Let them know that the fab facilities are the paneling 'experts', they have better tools to do it correctly, and therefor can do it quicker, at less cost, and more reliably. If your facilities still insist you do it, use Camtastic but do your documentation in Protel. Camtastic can handle the step and repeat with ease, and the Protel database will remain intact for future revisions! Mark Koitmaa, C.I.D. Certified Interconnect Designer TechServ Tel: 408-369-7950 Fax: 408-369-7952 http://www.techservinc.com At 12:16 PM 8/16/2001, you wrote: >Thanks Dennis and Mark. Wouldn't you know it: the first two responses are >opposite!! :) > >It's being submitted to a new facility which subcontracts the PCB fab, and >handles assembly. They indicated it would be best if I control the >panalization from one source file, that way there is never a problem with >the data for the PCBs, solder paste panels, etc. > >I usually submit the gerber for one board, and everyone "deals" with it, but >in this cause I need to create the panalization details. (Not just >instructions on how to panelize) > >Do others have this same requirement? > >I tried what Dennis stated, and on a 900MHz machine with 1/2Gig RAM, Win2000 >said it was "running low" on virtual memory? Huh? I thought it had a 3 Gig >harddrive's worth of virtual memory? (That's the free space on my 20 Gig >drive) > >I'm thinking it might be good to add the support bars and mousebites in >Protel, then panelize in Camtastic and just connect the board together... * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel?
You're right. Didn't think about that. I would have walked into the same trap. I use mostly polygon planes, even for PWR/GND. So this problem was not yet present to me. regards, Heiko Vachek > -Original Message- > From: Richard Sumner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:53 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel? > > > If you have any power planes, keep net names is critical. If > unchecked, > there will be NO connections to any power planes. I have a > few nice paper > weights (alas, with stuff soldered to 'em) to prove it! You > can always turn > off the rubber bands. DRC will show broken nets, one for each > element in > the panel. > > At 03:30 PM 8/16/2001 Thursday, you wrote: > >I agree. > >I've made many panels. > >But uncheck "keep nets", otherwise Protel will draw rubber bands. > >And another thing: don't repour polygons if asked The > panelized Board > >has different netnames and different design rules so the > polygons will not > >look as before. > > > >I've also made panels with different population on the boards (for an > >application where we needed some instances of the same board in one > >Appliance, but with different timings). I made then one pick > and place list > >for the whole panel, with different values on the single > boards. Works also > >pretty good. > > > >regards, > > > >Heiko Vachek > >elektronik 21 GmbH > >E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel?
If you have any power planes, keep net names is critical. If unchecked, there will be NO connections to any power planes. I have a few nice paper weights (alas, with stuff soldered to 'em) to prove it! You can always turn off the rubber bands. DRC will show broken nets, one for each element in the panel. At 03:30 PM 8/16/2001 Thursday, you wrote: >I agree. >I've made many panels. >But uncheck "keep nets", otherwise Protel will draw rubber bands. >And another thing: don't repour polygons if asked The panelized Board >has different netnames and different design rules so the polygons will not >look as before. > >I've also made panels with different population on the boards (for an >application where we needed some instances of the same board in one >Appliance, but with different timings). I made then one pick and place list >for the whole panel, with different values on the single boards. Works also >pretty good. > >regards, > >Heiko Vachek >elektronik 21 GmbH >E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Webseite: http://www.elektronik21.de > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 8:57 PM > > To: Protel EDA Forum > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel? > > > > > > we use protel > > use paste special on a copy of the board > > set keep nets, dupe desigs > > works pretty well > > Dennis Saputelli > > > > > > Tony Karavidas wrote: > > > > > Does anyone have a good procedure for PCB panelization? > > I've tried it in > > > Protel (99SE), and it wants to connect all the nets (which > > I understand). > > > When I try it in Camtastic, there is a lot of router and > > mousebite info I'd > > > like to add but it doesn't seem like a natural place to add > > that stuff. > > > > > > I've never been requested to panalize before now. It seems messy. > > > > > > Tony > > > > -- > > __ > > _ > > www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. > >tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street > > fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 > > > > > > Cheesecote Mountain CAMAC 24 Halley Drive; Pomona, NY 10970 845 364 0211, www.cmcamac.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel?
a break away tab that is made up of multiple drills. kind of looks like a mouse took a bite out of the board. | | * * * * | | Ted -Original Message- From: Darryl Newberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 2:39 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel? Pardon my ignorance...What's a "mousebite"? A cute name for a break-apart slot? > I'm thinking it might be good to add the support bars and mousebites in > Protel, then panelize in Camtastic and just connect the board together... Darryl Newberry Hardware Engineer Freedom Scientific, Inc 2850 SE Market Pl Stuart FL 34997 (561) 223-6443 http://www.freedomscientific.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel?
Pardon my ignorance...What's a "mousebite"? A cute name for a break-apart slot? > I'm thinking it might be good to add the support bars and mousebites in > Protel, then panelize in Camtastic and just connect the board together... Darryl Newberry Hardware Engineer Freedom Scientific, Inc 2850 SE Market Pl Stuart FL 34997 (561) 223-6443 http://www.freedomscientific.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel?
I agree. I've made many panels. But uncheck "keep nets", otherwise Protel will draw rubber bands. And another thing: don't repour polygons if asked The panelized Board has different netnames and different design rules so the polygons will not look as before. I've also made panels with different population on the boards (for an application where we needed some instances of the same board in one Appliance, but with different timings). I made then one pick and place list for the whole panel, with different values on the single boards. Works also pretty good. regards, Heiko Vachek elektronik 21 GmbH E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webseite: http://www.elektronik21.de > -Original Message- > From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 8:57 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel? > > > we use protel > use paste special on a copy of the board > set keep nets, dupe desigs > works pretty well > Dennis Saputelli > > > Tony Karavidas wrote: > > > Does anyone have a good procedure for PCB panelization? > I've tried it in > > Protel (99SE), and it wants to connect all the nets (which > I understand). > > When I try it in Camtastic, there is a lot of router and > mousebite info I'd > > like to add but it doesn't seem like a natural place to add > that stuff. > > > > I've never been requested to panalize before now. It seems messy. > > > > Tony > > -- > __ > _ > www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. >tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street > fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel?
Thanks Dennis and Mark. Wouldn't you know it: the first two responses are opposite!! :) It's being submitted to a new facility which subcontracts the PCB fab, and handles assembly. They indicated it would be best if I control the panalization from one source file, that way there is never a problem with the data for the PCBs, solder paste panels, etc. I usually submit the gerber for one board, and everyone "deals" with it, but in this cause I need to create the panalization details. (Not just instructions on how to panelize) Do others have this same requirement? I tried what Dennis stated, and on a 900MHz machine with 1/2Gig RAM, Win2000 said it was "running low" on virtual memory? Huh? I thought it had a 3 Gig harddrive's worth of virtual memory? (That's the free space on my 20 Gig drive) I'm thinking it might be good to add the support bars and mousebites in Protel, then panelize in Camtastic and just connect the board together... * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel?
Many designers try to panel a board within Protel. It can be done but it's messy and I don't recommend it unless you are trying to put different layouts into one panel to save fab costs. If the purpose of your panel is for economical assembly, use a panel drawing, or incorporate the panel drawing into your fabrication drawing. To do this, simply draw and dimension your panel with instructions for your fab house to step and repeat your CAM data. Mark Koitmaa, C.I.D. Certified Interconnect Designer TechServ Tel: 408-369-7950 Fax: 408-369-7952 http://www.techservinc.com At 11:37 AM 8/16/2001, you wrote: >Does anyone have a good procedure for PCB panelization? I've tried it in >Protel (99SE), and it wants to connect all the nets (which I understand). >When I try it in Camtastic, there is a lot of router and mousebite info I'd >like to add but it doesn't seem like a natural place to add that stuff. > >I've never been requested to panalize before now. It seems messy. > >Tony * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel?
we use protel use paste special on a copy of the board set keep nets, dupe desigs works pretty well Dennis Saputelli Tony Karavidas wrote: > Does anyone have a good procedure for PCB panelization? I've tried it in > Protel (99SE), and it wants to connect all the nets (which I understand). > When I try it in Camtastic, there is a lot of router and mousebite info I'd > like to add but it doesn't seem like a natural place to add that stuff. > > I've never been requested to panalize before now. It seems messy. > > Tony -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] CAMtastic 2000 and DRC Checking Of Gerbers....?
The way I generate tabbed panels with mouse bites is a combination of ACAD and Camtastic. I have a Protel lib part thats the layer info and NPTH holes for snapping to the imported DXF in Camtastic. I keep the spacing of the mouse bites consistant and copy them to the DXF arc centers in groups. This way, I can be sure that the routing for the tabs has minimum radii consistant with the end mill (usually .093") * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] CAMtastic 2000 and DRC Checking Of Gerbers....?
Try http://www.camtastic.com/en/ Steve Smith Product Engineer Staco Energy Products Co. Web Site: www.stacoenergy.com > -Original Message- > From: John Branthoover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 4:44 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [PEDA] CAMtastic 2000 and DRC Checking Of Gerbers? > > > Hello All, > Has any one tried using CAMtastic 2000 to perform > design rule checking of > the gerbers generated with Protel 99SE. I just gave it a > shot and it tells > me that I have pad to pad clearance problems. When I go in > manually and > measure the problem areas using the point to point > measurement option in > CAMtastic, it states that everything is within the defaults > that I have > set. > > Protel s Knowledge Base item number #2062 states that > you can go to > www.innovativecad.com for support but the web page seems to be down or > missing. > > Any information will be gladly appreciated. Thank you > for your time and > have a nice day. > > > > John Branthoover: > Electrical Design Engineer : > Acutronic R & D:Phone (412) 968-1051 > 137/139 Delta Drive :Fax(412) 963-0519 > Pittsburgh PA 15238 :Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > USA :WEBhttp://www.acutronic.com > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] CAMtastic 2000 and DRC Checking Of Gerbers....?
Daniel, check out their website at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] They have a manual/documentation page but it is nowhere near finished, still has only 1999 Camtastic information. From my searches in the past most of the help on the site still refers to Camtastic 99, if you can't find the feature/tool they mention that's because it was probably moved in the 2000 DE version. They also have a Support - FAQ page which may help. Be sure to scan down the page because all of the FAQ topics are not listed in the top list. There are several more FAQ lists down the page and it is a long, long page. They also have a users forum with sign-up details outlined in their support pages. Sorry I can't help further but I didn't see anything in regards to your precise question. Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax:(604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: www.norsat.com > -Original Message- > From: Daniel Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 2:20 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] CAMtastic 2000 and DRC Checking Of Gerbers? > > > Speaking of the Camtastic software, does anyone know where I > can find some > information on how to use this software. I tried to learn how > to use it last > week, but I could not figure out how to add break tabs to my > panel. Is there > a tutorial or manual for this software ? > Documentation would be a great asset. I found the help menus > quite limited. > > Daniel Webster > Northern Airborne Technology > Kelowna, BC, Canada * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] CAMtastic 2000 and DRC Checking Of Gerbers....?
John, I don't normally use Camtastic for DRC checking but I did try it once, I got the exact same result that you described. I didn't try fighting to figure it out after that. Camtastics current website is: http://www.camtastic.com/en/default.asp I checked it out just before posting and it is up and running. Their new support email address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sincerely, Brad Velander Lead PCB Design Norsat International Inc. #100 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., Canada. V5C6G9. voice: (604) 292-9089 (direct line) fax:(604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: www.norsat.com > -Original Message- > From: John Branthoover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 1:44 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [PEDA] CAMtastic 2000 and DRC Checking Of Gerbers? > > > Hello All, > Has any one tried using CAMtastic 2000 to perform > design rule checking of > the gerbers generated with Protel 99SE. I just gave it a > shot and it tells > me that I have pad to pad clearance problems. When I go in > manually and > measure the problem areas using the point to point > measurement option in > CAMtastic, it states that everything is within the defaults > that I have > set. > > Protel s Knowledge Base item number #2062 states that > you can go to > www.innovativecad.com for support but the web page seems to be down or > missing. > > Any information will be gladly appreciated. Thank you > for your time and > have a nice day. > > > > John Branthoover: > Electrical Design Engineer : > Acutronic R & D:Phone (412) 968-1051 > 137/139 Delta Drive :Fax(412) 963-0519 > Pittsburgh PA 15238 :Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > USA :WEBhttp://www.acutronic.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] CAMtastic 2000 and DRC Checking Of Gerbers....?
There was a 54 page user's manual in PDF format on their web site http://www.camtastic.com/en/ If it's not there anymore I could send you a copy. Steve Smith Product Engineer Staco Energy Products Co. 301 Gaddis Blvd. Dayton, OH 45403 Telephone: (937) 253-1191 Ext. 158 Fax: (937) 253-1723 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: www.stacoenergy.com > -Original Message- > From: Daniel Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 5:20 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] CAMtastic 2000 and DRC Checking Of Gerbers? > > > Speaking of the Camtastic software, does anyone know where I > can find some > information on how to use this software. I tried to learn how > to use it last > week, but I could not figure out how to add break tabs to my > panel. Is there > a tutorial or manual for this software ? > Documentation would be a great asset. I found the help menus > quite limited. > > Daniel Webster > Northern Airborne Technology > Kelowna, BC, Canada > > -- > > From: John Branthoover[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Reply To: Protel EDA Forum > > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 1:44 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject:[PEDA] CAMtastic 2000 and DRC Checking Of Gerbers? > > > > Hello All, > > Has any one tried using CAMtastic 2000 to perform design rule > > checking of > > the gerbers generated with Protel 99SE. I just gave it a > shot and it > > tells > > me that I have pad to pad clearance problems. When I go in > manually and > > measure the problem areas using the point to point > measurement option in > > CAMtastic, it states that everything is within the > defaults that I have > > set. > > > > Protel s Knowledge Base item number #2062 states that > you can go to > > www.innovativecad.com for support but the web page seems to > be down or > > missing. > > > > Any information will be gladly appreciated. Thank you > for your time > > and > > have a nice day. > > > > > > > > John Branthoover: > > Electrical Design Engineer : > > Acutronic R & D:Phone (412) 968-1051 > > 137/139 Delta Drive :Fax(412) 963-0519 > > Pittsburgh PA 15238 :Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > USA :WEBhttp://www.acutronic.com > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] CAMtastic 2000 and DRC Checking Of Gerbers....?
Speaking of the Camtastic software, does anyone know where I can find some information on how to use this software. I tried to learn how to use it last week, but I could not figure out how to add break tabs to my panel. Is there a tutorial or manual for this software ? Documentation would be a great asset. I found the help menus quite limited. Daniel Webster Northern Airborne Technology Kelowna, BC, Canada > -- > From: John Branthoover[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Reply To: Protel EDA Forum > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 1:44 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [PEDA] CAMtastic 2000 and DRC Checking Of Gerbers? > > Hello All, > Has any one tried using CAMtastic 2000 to perform design rule > checking of > the gerbers generated with Protel 99SE. I just gave it a shot and it > tells > me that I have pad to pad clearance problems. When I go in manually and > measure the problem areas using the point to point measurement option in > CAMtastic, it states that everything is within the defaults that I have > set. > > Protel s Knowledge Base item number #2062 states that you can go to > www.innovativecad.com for support but the web page seems to be down or > missing. > > Any information will be gladly appreciated. Thank you for your time > and > have a nice day. > > > > John Branthoover: > Electrical Design Engineer : > Acutronic R & D:Phone (412) 968-1051 > 137/139 Delta Drive :Fax(412) 963-0519 > Pittsburgh PA 15238 :Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > USA :WEBhttp://www.acutronic.com > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
