Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts

2013-09-28 Thread Deborah Fritz
od, so maybe we could propose adding 'printout' to that list? I see that the PCC proposal form that Adam pointed out is only for Relationship Designators; maybe we could persuade PCC to add another form for 'vocabulary terms'? Deborah Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. (321) 676-1904 d

Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts--Relationship Designators

2013-09-28 Thread Deborah Fritz
and spelling--and then we will be poised to (hopefully) see some radical changes to the way that our OPACs handle displays. Deborah Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. (321) 676-1904 debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource

Re: [RDA-L] Questions for videodisc reproduction of videocassette

2013-09-28 Thread Deborah Fritz
bout 'producing' something in each of these cases, just different types of production. But, can anyone think of a better designator to propose than 'producer of reproduction'? Deborah Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. (321) 676-1904 <mailto:debo...@marcofqual

Re: [RDA-L] Questions for videodisc reproduction of videocassette

2013-09-26 Thread Deborah Fritz
tricky 'reproductions' issue, following RDA thinking. Deborah Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. (321) 676-1904 debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC

Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts

2013-09-26 Thread Deborah Fritz
So this is, indeed, a grey area, and I would dearly love to know whether there is a PCC task force working on this issue yet. Deborah Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. (321) 676-1904 debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access

Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts

2013-09-26 Thread Deborah Fritz
capable of distribution (although it can be shared) and so isn't it therefore 'produced' rather than 'published'? I also agree with you that we need more specific, separate relationship designators to cover printouts and photocopies as facsimiles. Deborah Fritz

Re: [RDA-L] RDA local printouts

2013-09-25 Thread Deborah Fritz
ire reproduction issue, because, it is, as you say, complicated. For example, I think that what Patricia actually has is a printout (reproduction?) of a reproduction of the original. Can anyone at PCC tell us the status of this task force on reproductions? Deborah Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. (321) 676-19

Re: [RDA-L] Duplicate page numbering

2013-08-30 Thread Deborah Fritz
"1 volume (various pagings)", with an explanatory note. Deborah Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. (321) 676-1904 debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -Original Message- From: J. McRee Elrod [mailto:m...@slc.bc.ca] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 8:58 AM To: debo...@marcofq

Re: [RDA-L] Duplicate page numbering

2013-08-30 Thread Deborah Fritz
the other catalogers are simply interpreting the instructions to say that there are not actually 47 additional pages, and so they will not list them in Extent. But I agree that it would be useful if they added a note about the numbering. Deborah Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. (321) 676-1904 debo.

Re: [RDA-L] I am puzzled...can you help with this children's picture book?

2013-08-14 Thread Deborah Fritz
ent LCRI that helped with this, but I don't think it made it over as an LC-PCC PS, as far as I can see. The issue of whether the illustrator is also a collaborator (as 'artist') or 'just the illustrator', is another topic altogether; and still unresolved, at least in my mi

Re: [RDA-L] Date given in an incomplete form

2013-08-08 Thread Deborah Fritz
fictitious, incorrect, or incomplete, make a note giving the actual date (see 2.20.6.3). Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description a

Re: [RDA-L] Capitalization in 2.9.4.4

2013-08-08 Thread Deborah Fritz
Excellent! - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. <mailto:debo...@marcofquality.com> debo...@marcofquality.com <http://www.marcofquality.com> www.marcofquality.com From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.L

Re: [RDA-L] Capitalization in 2.9.4.4

2013-08-08 Thread Deborah Fritz
data also. Deborah P.S. It is good to know about A.7B1 after all these years (how did I miss that??) but I still wonder what the rationale was for this capitalization, given the way it was meant to be displayed, in a string. - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. <mailto:d

Re: [RDA-L] Capitalization in 2.9.4.4

2013-08-08 Thread Deborah Fritz
always been an aberration in the 'sentence capitalization' guidelines. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@L

Re: [RDA-L] honouree vs. honoree

2013-08-06 Thread Deborah Fritz
This is another example of the need for yet another important piece of the puzzle to be in place (a Registry) so that we can move the RDA dream closer to reality. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -Original Message---

Re: [RDA-L] Main series & subseries

2013-08-05 Thread Deborah Fritz
bseries in separate 830. So: 490$aChamps. Essais 500$aNumbering in the main series: 988 830 0 $aChamps (Flammarion (Firm)) ;$v988 830 0 $aChamps (Flammarion (Firm)).$pEssais Both 830 will verify against the NACO Authority File. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah

Re: [RDA-L] Good news re RDA guidance

2013-08-05 Thread Deborah Fritz
and it is free. But I am also playing around with an idea for something--for while we are still stuck in MARC; we'll see if it turns into anything I think is useful enough to release. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. <mailto:debo...@marcofquality.com>

Re: [RDA-L] Still doing edition statements for large print?

2013-07-31 Thread Deborah Fritz
stion. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod Sent: Wednesday, Jul

Re: [RDA-L] Still doing edition statements for large print?

2013-07-31 Thread Deborah Fritz
g *this* in brackets (from outside the source) to fulfill the principle of sufficiency (selection of an appropriate resource), since there is no other element appropriate for providing this information; as per the optional addition at 2.5.1.4 . Deborah - - - - - - - - Debo

Re: [RDA-L] Still doing edition statements for large print?

2013-07-30 Thread Deborah Fritz
idence from any source." This will be enough to meet the principles of differentiation (0.4.3.1) and sufficiency (0.4.3.2), and will be enough to prevent machine record mergers. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -

Re: [RDA-L] RDA data entry form

2013-07-25 Thread Deborah Fritz
You might take a look at RIMMF, a free product (subject to a CC license) that demonstrates a possible GUI approach for pure RDA data entry. URL: <http://www.marcofquality.com/wiki/rimmf> http://www.marcofquality.com/wiki/rimmf - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TM

[RDA-L] RIMMF2 : inputting RDA data without MARC

2013-06-26 Thread Deborah Fritz
all know about it. Have fun. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com

Re: [RDA-L] 7.16.1.3: Can page numbers be on expression level?

2013-06-26 Thread Deborah Fritz
Excellent point. This was raised with CC:DA to be brought to the attention of the JSC. See: http://wikis.ala.org/ccda/index.php/6._Bibliographies_as_content_of_an_Expression Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -Original

Re: [RDA-L] No date of publication, first printing

2013-06-23 Thread Deborah Fritz
Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. <mailto:debo...@marcofquality.com> debo...@marcofquality.com <http://www.marcofquality.com> www.marcofquality.com From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA]

Re: [RDA-L] No date of publication, first printing

2013-06-23 Thread Deborah Fritz
008 Date 1, rather than 260/264_1$c, so differences in interpretation of the date instructions could be causing duplicate records to occur in databases that crosscheck on dates. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. <mailto:debo...@marcofquality.com> debo...@marcofquali

Re: [RDA-L] SOR from copyright statement

2013-06-20 Thread Deborah Fritz
u would want to do further research to determine that indicating this responsibility is valid, and not simply assume that the holder of the copyright is actually responsible for the copyrighted material. Hope this helps, Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality

Re: [RDA-L] No date of publication, first printing

2013-06-20 Thread Deborah Fritz
ful. Thanks again to everyone for the responses. They certainly verified for me that this "First printing" issue is still not crystal clear. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. <mailto:debo...@marcofquality.com> debo...@marcofquality.com <http://w

[RDA-L] No date of publication, first printing

2013-06-18 Thread Deborah Fritz
borah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com

Re: [RDA-L] illustrations (black and white)

2013-06-17 Thread Deborah Fritz
/06/jsc1306.pdf> ] Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. <mailto:debo...@marcofquality.com> debo...@marcofquality.com <http://www.marcofquality.com> www.marcofquality.com From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:

Re: [RDA-L] Title proper choice (multiple parallel titles)

2013-06-11 Thread Deborah Fritz
fast track, to get this back? Will you bring it up with the ALA Liaison, Adam? Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [ma

Re: [RDA-L] Relationship designators for related expressions, works etc for a music score

2013-06-11 Thread Deborah Fritz
designator is used, it is the first subfield, the first word is capitalized, and the subfield ends with a colon. EXAMPLE 700 1# $iLibretto based on (work):$aShakespeare, William,$d1564-1616.$tOthello. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. <mailto:debo...@marcof

Re: [RDA-L] Use of brackets in RDA records

2013-05-21 Thread Deborah Fritz
like CreateSpace (https://www.createspace.com/) a publisher, distributer, or what? Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -Original Message- From: J. McRee Elrod [mailto:m...@slc.bc.ca] Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 5:16 PM To

Re: [RDA-L] Use of brackets in RDA records

2013-05-20 Thread Deborah Fritz
her not identified]; we should not guess that a distributer is also the publisher, or that a printer is also the publisher, or that the author is also the publisher-just enter them as they are stated and leave it at that. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, I

Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like "Board book" or "Scented book"

2013-05-15 Thread Deborah Fritz
(655$a) Object: Sound effects books (655$a) Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -Original Message- From: Resource Desc

Re: [RDA-L] RDA 2.8 through 2.10, and Core status

2013-05-15 Thread Deborah Fritz
ied] : $b [manufacturer not identified] Given that you and I and others have had this same question, it would be good if the wording for these instructions could be clarified. Who wants to suggest a proposal to CC:DA? Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofq

Re: [RDA-L] Recording alternate content and physical forms -- Bibframe

2013-05-10 Thread Deborah Fritz
annot make RDA records using AACR thinking. I agree that we cannot expect uniformity in this learning period, but that does not mean that we should not strive for it wherever possible. - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -Ori

Re: [RDA-L] Recording alternate content and physical forms -- Bibframe

2013-05-10 Thread Deborah Fritz
A defines them; just as we have to (if only it were true) use MARC elements the way that MARC defines those elements. - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource De

Re: [RDA-L] Recording alternate content and physical forms"

2013-05-09 Thread Deborah Fritz
correct element for the data that we provide. Which is why I'm trying to pin down the correct elements for this data. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Res

Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like "Board book" or "Scented book"

2013-05-09 Thread Deborah Fritz
ut tabs" I don't think we have a Content Type for a 'Scented book', so would that be covered under Base Material or, perhaps, Applied Material: Scent? Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -Original Messa

Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like "Board book" or "Scented book"

2013-05-09 Thread Deborah Fritz
arrier 500 ## $aResource is a children's pop-up book with sound effects. Even though such a note is not Core, it does seem important for identification or selection (and for copy cataloging selection too) Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.ma

Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like "Board book" or "Scented book"

2013-05-09 Thread Deborah Fritz
20-%20code%20lists/ONIX_Book Product_CodeLists_Issue_20.html) I'd also like to enter the 'shape' attribute somewhere, but can't figure out where-Note on Dimensions of Manifestation, perhaps. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ,

Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like "Board book" or "Scented book"

2013-05-08 Thread Deborah Fritz
icely placed in the RDA records, until more work is done on Vocabulary Mapping. I do feel that the more standardized we can be in using vocabulary terms instead of free-text, the better it will be. Hmm, now I'm wondering whether these terms might not turn out to be Objects (yet to b

[RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like "Board book" or "Scented book"

2013-05-08 Thread Deborah Fritz
we can just figure out how this data fits into the RDA attributes/elements. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com

Re: [RDA-L] Periods in titles

2013-04-30 Thread Deborah Fritz
roper element (rather than separate elements), I think the underlying reasoning of this instruction still holds true for these 'part' separators. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -Original Message-

Re: [RDA-L] recording non-diacritic characters in the title

2013-04-08 Thread Deborah Fritz
LC PCC PS for 1.7.5, Point 4. Exception 2: ignore symbols indicating trademark - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. <mailto:debo...@marcofquality.com> debo...@marcofquality.com <http://www.marcofquality.com> www.marcofquality.com From: Resource Descriptio

Re: [RDA-L] recording production statements

2013-04-02 Thread Deborah Fritz
s it matters in MARC where you put the data (245$c vs. 264$b) it matters in RDA which element you 'use' for the data (Statement of Responsibility vs Producer's Name, etc.) Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com

Re: [RDA-L] relationship designator and "in cooperation with"

2013-04-02 Thread Deborah Fritz
he works contained in the compilation. However, while we are in MARC, we do have to add the element term, because our MARC label (700) is not specific enough to indicate the relationship. So I would suggest: =700 1\$aBarbarini, Giorgio,$econtributor. My interpretation. Deborah - - -

Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

2013-04-01 Thread Deborah Fritz
terms in the same language together) is from ISBD2007 p. 91 Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. <mailto:debo...@marcofquality.com> debo...@marcofquality.com <http://www.marcofquality.com> www.marcofquality.com From: Resource Descriptio

Re: [RDA-L] recording production statements

2013-03-29 Thread Deborah Fritz
differently for archival resources? - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Robert Maxwell Sent: Friday, March 29,

Re: [RDA-L] recording production statements

2013-03-29 Thread Deborah Fritz
t wasn't there in the first place (except all of us) :-) Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.C

Re: [RDA-L] Dust jacket as a Source of Information

2013-03-29 Thread Deborah Fritz
this won’t be official until the change is published, this summer) Thanks, John. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. <mailto:debo...@marcofquality.com> debo...@marcofquality.com <http://www.marcofquality.com> www.marcofquality.com Fr

Re: [RDA-L] Dust jacket as a Source of Information

2013-03-29 Thread Deborah Fritz
Thanks Hideyuki. Maybe LC could add this interpretation to the LC PCC PS for 2.4.2 (Other Sources of Information), if we asked them, very nicely. In the meantime, I will proceed under the assumption that interpretation is shared by all. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc

Re: [RDA-L] Dust jacket as a Source of Information

2013-03-29 Thread Deborah Fritz
from the dust jacket; which is a very good thing, as you point out. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. <mailto:debo...@marcofquality.com> debo...@marcofquality.com <http://www.marcofquality.com> www.marcofquality.com From: Resource Description and A

Re: [RDA-L] dimension of discs and end punctuations of 264 field

2013-03-29 Thread Deborah Fritz
iven the much more important stuff they need to get done first) Hope this helps, Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. <mailto:debo...@marcofquality.com> debo...@marcofquality.com <http://www.marcofquality.com> www.marcofquality.com From: Resource De

[RDA-L] Dust jacket as a Source of Information

2013-03-29 Thread Deborah Fritz
f Information'. Does anyone have any official word, or any thoughts on this? Thanks, Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com

Re: [RDA-L] Publication date/copyright date

2013-03-28 Thread Deborah Fritz
. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Will Evans Rules or no rules, shouldn&#

Re: [RDA-L] Publication date/copyright date

2013-03-28 Thread Deborah Fritz
same thing. So, I would recommend: 264 #1 $c [2014] 264 #4 $c (c)2014 Adding the Copyright Date in this case, would help to explain the choice of the supplied Date of Publication Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com ---

Re: [RDA-L] AACR2 compatible records--Personal reply

2013-03-26 Thread Deborah Fritz
their records looking either pure AACR, or pure RDA, or a total hybrid mix. Believe me, I struggled with this, but I am resigned to making MARC Report less rigid to accommodate the new reality. Sigh Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofqualit

Re: [RDA-L] Question about edition statements

2013-03-20 Thread Deborah Fritz
outside the resource itself by entering it inside square brackets. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. <mailto:debo...@marcofquality.com> debo...@marcofquality.com <http://www.marcofquality.com> www.marcofquality.com From: Resource Description and

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and the Title Proper

2013-03-19 Thread Deborah Fritz
ject: emergency traffic control for responders 245 _0 $a Evaluation of pilot project: emergency traffic control for responders This latter is quite different to what we do currently, so I would welcome confirmation that I have interpreted this correctly, or dissent if I have erred. Deb

Re: [RDA-L] Technical report dates and publication

2013-03-18 Thread Deborah Fritz
loc.gov folks about this, to see what they have to say, since they obviously pondered the question at one point. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. <mailto:debo...@marcofquality.com> debo...@marcofquality.com <http://www.marcofquality.com> w

Re: [RDA-L] Relator code and term punctucation

2013-03-13 Thread Deborah Fritz
usion. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Elizabeth O'Keefe Sent: Wednesday

Re: [RDA-L] Relator code and term punctucation

2013-03-13 Thread Deborah Fritz
o think this way anymore? But then we'd better hope that the designers of the presentation displays understand these issues! Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. <mailto:debo...@marcofquality.com> debo...@marcofquality.com <http://www.marcofquality.com> www.marcofquality.com

Re: [RDA-L] Relator code and term punctucation

2013-03-12 Thread Deborah Fritz
html Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. <mailto:debo...@marcofquality.com> debo...@marcofquality.com <http://www.marcofquality.com> www.marcofquality.com From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.L

Re: [RDA-L] Coding subsequent creators in MARC 21 Bibliographic

2013-03-12 Thread Deborah Fritz
Work" - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. <mailto:debo...@marcofquality.com> debo...@marcofquality.com <http://www.marcofquality.com> www.marcofquality.com From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Ed Jone

Re: [RDA-L] S-o-R/RDA 2.4.1.4

2013-03-11 Thread Deborah Fritz
as a type of qualifier for the person. If this is an acceptable approach, then I think it would be very helpful if the JSC could add an example showing this, under 2.4.1.4. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. <mailto:debo...@marcofquality.com> debo...@marcof

Re: [RDA-L] (OCoLC)829311087

2013-03-07 Thread Deborah Fritz
rate Body Associated with a Work" for which MARC has no entry. So this is where we can invoke the permission to come up with our own term. I'm not going to take a stab at a suggestion for this resource, however. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ,

Re: [RDA-L] Use of ISBD punctuation with RDA. And a workshop.

2013-03-04 Thread Deborah Fritz
subscription to it. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of John Hostage Sent: Monday, Mar

Re: [RDA-L] Relators for contributors and consultants

2013-03-02 Thread Deborah Fritz
onship designator at the Work level, because it is already defined as a designator at the Expression level. I hope this will bring us back into agreement, Mac. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -Original Message- From:

Re: [RDA-L] Relators for contributors and consultants--Pre-existing poem

2013-03-01 Thread Deborah Fritz
See, that’s where the real fun in “WEMI” really comes in. - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. <mailto:debo...@marcofquality.com> debo...@marcofquality.com <http://www.marcofquality.com> www.marcofquality.com From: Resource Description and Access / Resource

Re: [RDA-L] Relators for contributors and consultants--Pre-existing poem

2013-03-01 Thread Deborah Fritz
Yes. (Wikipedia to the rescue) - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Cindy Wolff Sent: Friday, March 01

Re: [RDA-L] Relators for contributors and consultants--Pre-existing poem

2013-03-01 Thread Deborah Fritz
700 1# $i musical setting of (work): $a Poet, John. $t Poem. Yes/No? Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. <mailto:debo...@marcofquality.com> debo...@marcofquality.com <http://www.marcofquality.com> www.marcofquality.com From: Resource

Re: [RDA-L] Relators for contributors and consultants

2013-03-01 Thread Deborah Fritz
, since we are not dealing with a bibliography or directory, etc. This gives us: AAP for the Work AAP for Related Creator(s)-the authors Related Works (as either AAP or in a note) AAP for Related Contributors-the editors I hope I am not on the wrong track with any of this. Deborah - - -

Re: [RDA-L] Multiple identities named on same manifestation

2013-03-01 Thread Deborah Fritz
Adam, Thanks very much for pointing this out. I thought I'd checked the examples, but I missed that one. I have asked whether this could be clarified somewhat at 6.27.1.7 Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -Ori

Re: [RDA-L] Multiple identities named on same manifestation

2013-02-28 Thread Deborah Fritz
missing. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -Original Message- From: Adam L. Schiff Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:56 PM [snip] The name in the 100 should be whichever one is the result from applying 6.27.1.7

Re: [RDA-L] Carrier type "Flipchart"

2013-02-01 Thread Deborah Fritz
cess. I, also, struggled with this, until I thought of it this way, so I hope this approach might help. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Descri

Re: [RDA-L] RDA dtst t + a 260/264 muse on training question

2013-01-30 Thread Deborah Fritz
y* that the date in Date2 is a copyright date. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Be

Re: [RDA-L] question about dates in 264 fields

2013-01-11 Thread Deborah Fritz
264 is not mentioned in the mapping appendices in the Toolkit because the those appendices are in the process of being updated. - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. <mailto:debo...@marcofquality.com> debo...@marcofquality.com <http://www.marcofqu

Re: [RDA-L] Language of supplied place of publication?

2013-01-11 Thread Deborah Fritz
one of the elements "listed above" in that rule. Therefore you will have to decide what is "the most appropriate language and script" for recording the Place of Publication as a supplied element. Deborah P.S. I searched on "supplied data" to find this.

Re: [RDA-L] question about dates in 264 fields

2013-01-11 Thread Deborah Fritz
ccess.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=lcpschp2 <http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=lcpschp2&target=lcps2-1467#lcp s2-1467> &target=lcps2-1467#lcps2-1467 Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com

Re: [RDA-L] question about dates in 264 fields

2013-01-11 Thread Deborah Fritz
ription to the Toolkit. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. <mailto:debo...@marcofquality.com> debo...@marcofquality.com <http://www.marcofquality.com> www.marcofquality.com From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RD

Re: [RDA-L] question about dates in 264 fields

2013-01-11 Thread Deborah Fritz
optional, but I think it is a good thing to add it, as long as the copyright date is straightforward. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. <mailto:debo...@marcofquality.com> debo...@marcofquality.com <http://www.marcofquality.com> www.marcofquality.com

Re: [RDA-L] question about dates in 264 fields

2013-01-11 Thread Deborah Fritz
1-471> says "When field 264 is used for the Copyright Notice Date, it does not have ending punctuation." Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com

Re: [RDA-L] RDA media types

2013-01-09 Thread Deborah Fritz
Type: Booklet: volume ---- Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Robert Maxwell Sent

Re: [RDA-L] Differentiating Names of Persons in RDA name authority records: Questions posted on RDA Cataloging, Google+ Community

2013-01-08 Thread Deborah Fritz
for a Person, Family, or Corporate body. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. <mailto:debo...@marcofquality.com> debo...@marcofquality.com <http://www.marcofquality.com> www.marcofquality.com

Re: [RDA-L] Title proper vs. other title information ...

2013-01-02 Thread Deborah Fritz
?id=lcpschp2&target=lcps2-11461#lc ps2-11461> &target=lcps2-11461#lcps2-11461 - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. <mailto:debo...@marcofquality.com> debo...@marcofquality.com <http://www.marcofquality.com> www.marcofquality.com

Re: [RDA-L] Contents Notes [was Brackets for unnumbered pages in notes?]

2012-12-21 Thread Deborah Fritz
access.rdatoolkit.org/J.2.4.html> shows that same relationship is possible at the Expression Level. So, I would say that you *can* enter the Contents note for the French translation with the Expression data for that translation. Yes? No? Deborah - - - - - - - -

Re: [RDA-L] Brackets for unnumbered pages in notes?

2012-12-21 Thread Deborah Fritz
formation for notes on manifestation or item from any source, and 2.20.1.3 refers us to 1.10, which does not mention anything about needing square brackets for any data; so it is good thing that the LC-PCC PS for 1.7.1 has the instruction quoted by Bob (although it would be easier to find

Re: [RDA-L] Sources of information for other title information

2012-12-19 Thread Deborah Fritz
ame title on the cover and the title page, and the cover also has what RDA will have us enter as a Variant title, so why not call it that in the note that explains its source? But perhaps that is just me being too picky. Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. <

Re: [RDA-L] Adding Variant Titles [was: Sources of information for other title information]

2012-12-19 Thread Deborah Fritz
f variant titles that are not included in the list. This is where the LC-PCC PS for 2.3.6.3 is really handy (even though it is still expressed in MARC 246 terms), since it brings over the guidelines from LCRI 21.30J to provide additional guidance on situations when it would be useful to add a varia

Re: [RDA-L] Sources of information for other title information

2012-12-18 Thread Deborah Fritz
d these things to help other catalogers with the identification process - Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com

Re: [RDA-L] Sources of information for other title information

2012-12-18 Thread Deborah Fritz
Variant title from cover. MARC: 246 1 # $i Variant title from cover: $a ... Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA]

Re: [RDA-L] Sources of information for other title information

2012-12-18 Thread Deborah Fritz
Janet, Yes, I see what you mean--2.4.1.7 says 'add it', implying 'add it here in the SOR element'. You are right, perhaps this wording itself needs official clarification :-} Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com w

Re: [RDA-L] Sources of information for other title information

2012-12-18 Thread Deborah Fritz
justify this 'interpretation' to anyone. Unless, of course, we get an LC-PCC PS or a PS from some other National Library to clarify this for everyone. What fun, indeed! Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -Original

Re: [RDA-L] Sources of information for other title information

2012-12-18 Thread Deborah Fritz
Janet Davis [Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 7:11 AM] said: Not an answer, sorry, but we've recently come across a very similar issue with statements of responsibility. -- I agree with Janet's reasoning: - 2.4.2.2: "Take statements of responsibility relating to title proper

Re: [RDA-L] Sources of information for other title information

2012-12-18 Thread Deborah Fritz
Mulling over 2.3.4.2, for myself, I see it says: "Take other title information from the same source as the title proper (see 2.3.2.2)." OK, that is a very direct instruction--take it from the same source. Then 2.3.2.2 says: "Take the title proper from the preferred source of information f

Re: [RDA-L] I'm taillights

2012-11-30 Thread Deborah Fritz
Congratulations Mike, on your imminent freedom. Enjoy thinking about the epic sweep of reggae history, rather than the minutiae of cataloging. But your calming approach to our discussions has been appreciated. "Walk good", Deborah -- Deborah Fritz MARC Database Consultant The MARC

Re: [RDA-L] [and X others]

2012-11-30 Thread Deborah Fritz
specify the contents of the brackets for a particular situation, then you should consider the contents as you would a note, and apply 0.4.3.7 and record the data reflecting common usage, i.e., put down whatever wording in whatever form *you* would commonly use. Deborah -- Deborah Fritz MARC Dat

Re: [RDA-L] [and X others]

2012-11-29 Thread Deborah Fritz
anguage and script preferred by the agency creating the data" Hope this helps, Deborah -- Deborah Fritz MARC Database Consultant The MARC of Quality www.marcofquality.com Voice/Fax: (321) 676-1904 > -Original Message- > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource De

Re: [RDA-L] Recording Statements of Responsibility Relating to Series

2012-11-26 Thread Deborah Fritz
1_ $a Snyder, Maria V. $t Healer series ; $v 2. Deborah -- Deborah Fritz MARC Database Consultant The MARC of Quality www.marcofquality.com Voice/Fax: (321) 676-1904 Thomas Brenndorfer wrote: > > RDA Chapters 6.27 to 6.31 cover all the elements that are > used for authoriz

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