On 10/26/2015 12:27 PM, Eero Volotinen wrote:
2015-10-26 20:45 GMT+02:00 Yasha Karant <ykar...@csusb.edu
<mailto:ykar...@csusb.edu>>:
Although the KVM solution discussed here may work, the description
of this in operation appears to be a true
hypervisor even wh
on greatly would be
appreciated.
As for the comment from someone in this email exchange that VirtualBox
NAT works from a wnic to the internal 802.3 virtual eth on the virtual
machine that supports MS Win 7 -- it does not, hence my query.
Yasha Karant
On 10/29/2015 09:11 AM, Vladimir Mosgalin
current
VirtualBox for which no one has a viable solution -- hence my interest
in VMware Player.
Yasha Karant
<>
dened server with external firewall defense) -- but that is a separate
subject.
Yasha Karant
On 10/28/2015 12:54 AM, Francesco M. Taurino wrote:
hi yasha,
kvm windows 7/8/10 guests can be a bit slow in graphic applications,
but quite usable
if you need cpu/memory raw power.
you can use virtualbox,
Hi Vladimir,
The physical 802.11 WNIC is IP configured by DHCP from the ISP. Does
this require DHCP "trickery" to transfer this information
to the virtual 802.3 NIC under VirtualBox that is supplied to the MS Win
guest?
Yasha Karant
On 10/30/2015 08:27 AM, Vladimir Mosgalin wrote:
but has Aw, Snap (and more) displayed and must be
killed (the GUI x in the bar does work -- a terminal based kill is not
needed).
Suggestions?
Yasha Karant
interface (in a worst
case, a script that can encapsulate all of the text commands to the
virtualization system)?
Note the host is X86-64, but the guest is IA-32.
Any assistance (based on "real world" experience) will be appreciated.
Yasha Karant
no internet
Using Oracle stock Virtualbox current production on SL 7.1 . Guest is
MS Win 7 Pro. When the physical LAN on a SL 7 host is a wired 802.3
connection using a static IP (not DHCP), the standard Virtualbox NAT
works. However, when the physical
SL 7 LAN is a wireless 802.11 connection using
Are there BIOS (secure boot, whatever) configurations that must be used
other
than what came with the MS Windows system?
Yasha Karant
On 10/19/2015 02:45 PM, Lamar Owen wrote:
On 10/19/2015 04:53 PM, Yasha Karant wrote:
Thank you for the kind reply; however, you seem to be addressing a
somewhat different situation.
I am not virtualizing servers or anything like that. For this use, I
do not need a bare iron hypervisor
. ElRepo and EPEL repositories also are used
for applications that are not readily available in
the "stock" repo.
Yasha Karant
On 11/30/2015 01:04 PM, Arthur H. Edwards wrote:
is there a repository with grace (xmgrace) for SL 7?
Thanks,
Art Edwards
Detailed information below as for the build of xmgrace that I have.
ls -la grace.tgz
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 2255749 Dec 1 15:19 grace.tgz
bash-4.2$ tar -tvzf grace.tgz
laptop and that is not on right now.
Yasha Karant
On 11/30/2015 01:04 PM, Arthur H. Edwards wrote:
is there a repository with grace (xmgrace) for SL 7?
Thanks,
Art Edwards
<>
Dhivan,
Because of a colleague who insisted that we switch from EL to SuSE, we
licensed SLES and I installed OpenSUSE on my laptop -- but left SL on my
workstation. SUSE never in fact provided us with SLES (although we paid
the license) and OpenSUSE simply was not as reliable as SL. For
and burn
these to a DVD, and then have yumex use the DVDs, only going to the
network to get additional RPMs that turn out to be needed?
Yasha Karant
<>
on. After that, the HP printer (connected via USB to a SL 7x
Linux workstation) again printed.
Yasha Karant
<>
configuration that is more Mac Mail friendly?
Yasha Karant
back to what it was before plus the amount of time I spent during the
session.
Does anyone have a fix for this?
Thanks
I am using SL 7.2x on a HP Zbook without this issue. Which model? Mine
is several years old and thus might be different from yours.
Yasha Karant
than starting from scratch with the current EL 7 installation
DVD). Note that for full functionality, one must install essentially all
of the MATE RPMs otherwise small but convenience-necessa bits are missing.
Yasha Karant
On 10/13/2016 08:41 AM, James M. Pulver wrote:
FWIW whenever I boot Kali
). I do not want to use a MIFI access point unless a UTP
hardwired 802.3 connection is supported -- I do not want to use 802.11
or Bluetooth to connect to the access point . Any suggestions greatly
would be appreciated. Thus, a USB direct connection into the machine
would be best.
Yasha
Sagemath is an open source licensed-for-free alternative to Mathematica,
Maple, and other proprietary applications. Has anyone compiled -- or
found an installation, not source, RPM for -- Sagemath for SL7?
Yasha Karant
<>
the yumex list)? I understand that epel is not part of
the FNAL SL base, but I know that persons with epel knowledge do read
this list. sl-security should be an SL issue; it appears: Obsoleted By:
usbmuxd-1.1.0-1.el7.x86_64 (sl-security)
Not found
Yasha Karant
<>
bgdata-devel.x86_64 0:0.17.8-1.el7 libimobiledevice.x86_64
0:1.2.0-1.el7
libplist.x86_64 0:1.12-3.el7 upower.x86_64 0:0.99.4-2.el7
Replaced:
usbmuxd.x86_64 0:1.0.8-11.el7
Complete!
[root@jb344 ykarant]#
On 09/18/2017 09:53 AM, Pat Riehecky wrote:
Please run 'yum downgrade libgpod
On 09/28/2017 04:25 AM, Bruce Ferrell wrote:
On 09/27/2017 09:56 PM, Yasha Karant wrote:
On 09/27/2017 09:50 PM, Bruce Ferrell wrote:
On 09/27/2017 06:33 PM, Yasha Karant wrote:
I have been instructed to use davmail by the university IT who
insist that the university use a proprietary
in the tray :
end excerpt that is followed by examples of the various GUI boxes that
one must complete.
Thanks for any assistance.
Yasha Karant
<>
On 09/27/2017 09:50 PM, Bruce Ferrell wrote:
On 09/27/2017 06:33 PM, Yasha Karant wrote:
I have been instructed to use davmail by the university IT who insist
that the university use a proprietary Microsoft email service.
Although the service nominally provides IETF SMTP and IMAP compliant
this application? If so, any comments? Is there any
GPL, etc., application with similar functionality?
Thanks for any information.
Yasha Karant
d drive to a 2 Tbyte
external USB hard drive using dd.
If I cannot get yum to "restart", I will do a full install from the USB
ISO SL 7.5 install image, and then restore /home , /opt, ssh-keys, and
the like from the
image, unless a better approach appears in response.
Yasha Karant
ess is there are one or more yum bookkeeping files that
need modification for a "fresh" yum update to be enabled.
Any further assistance would be appreciated.
Yasha Karant
(from the USB
drive), is there a way to get to the old GUI upgrade option that seems
no longer available?
Please reply to ykar...@gmail.com. Any assistance would be appreciated.
Yasha Karant
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__access.redhat.com_documentation_en-2Dus_re
hen rebooted. It did panic with
the SL 7.5 kernel, but not the SL 7.1 kernel, just no Xwindows.
Thanks again for any assistance.
Yasha Karant
On 08/24/2018 03:54 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 1:41 PM Yasha Karant wrote:
Thanks for that approach. As I can get to USB drives, w
"glitches" during a yumex massive update, would the system again be in
an unbootable state?
Does anyone have a mechanism for SL7.5 to perform an upgrade rather than
a new install booting from the install ISO image file?
Thanks,
Yasha Karant
On 08/21/2018 03:47 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wro
network where I work i not designed for reliable systems
work but rather end-user files (if the network glitches, simply repeat
the download, etc.), is there a mechanism to update from media, say
using the iso install image from a USB thumb drive?
Thanks for any assistance.
Yasha Karant
On
file system formats -- given the current stability and
capabilities of XFS, that is the file system (not partition, etc.,
scheme) that I prefer.
Aside (not SL): Does anyone know: is XFS available for MS Win, Mac OS
X, or Android? If so, is it licensed for free, or is it only through a
proprietary
supported, in that Ubuntu keeps closer to the "bleeding edge"
of Linux hardware support.
Thanks for any specific information.
Yasha Karant
Excerpt:
How to buy a gaming laptop
They're cheaper, lighter and more powerful than ever before.
Devindra Hardawar
If your priority is smooth gam
, but otherwise have little meaningful influence
over decisions.
I will attempt to implement what is suggested below without access to
the Kadel-Garcia tool set, but I suspect that the tool set will save me
some time and effort.
Thanks for your patience.
Yasha Karant
On 10/17/2018 08:03 PM
On 10/27/2018 07:08 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote:
> On 10/27/18 10:42 AM, Yasha Karant wrote:
>> Using yumex, rather than doing a full update to SL 7.5 production, I
>> attempted to update over the network the kernel, firmware, and libgcc,
>> allowing yumex (essentially yum) to
On 10/28/2018 11:07 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote:
> On 10/28/18 2:24 AM, Yasha Karant wrote:
>> On 10/27/2018 07:08 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote:
>>> On 10/27/18 10:42 AM, Yasha Karant wrote:
>>>> Using yumex, rather than doing a full update to SL 7.5 production, I
d a minimal update using yumex.
Yasha Karant
be used to diagnose
and possibly repair this issue?
Any help would be appreciated.
Yasha Karant
0GB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: loop
Disk Flags:
Number Start End Size File system Flags
1 0.00B 2000GB 2000GB xfs
Note that mount on the system reporting the above has no issue with
mounting a /dev/xyz device not as /dev/xyzN
Yasha Karant
On 09/2
hard drive).
Why do parted and mount have this difference?
Yasha Karant
There has been some discussion of the differences between the RPM and
DEB philosophies, in particular Ubuntu LTS and RHEL derivatives such as
the soon to be defunct SL without clear replacement (hopes for RockyEL
that probably will not have the sort of support the HEP community
through
For those who want to be nauseated, here is the essential quote of the post:
The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next
year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat
Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a
I agree with your sentiments, based upon several informal discussions I
have had with CentOS 8 "adopters". "Supported" RHEL 8 seems to be
better -- but are there still issues with EPEL, etc., because of
inappropriate sub-system designations (as with the python example you
provide)? From what
A note:
On 12/9/20 11:05 AM, Konstantin Olchanski wrote:
On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 10:25:36AM -0500, Larry Linder wrote:
Everytime I am forced to use Windows 10 my neurons rebel at the moron
aware SW.
I am sorry you are in the position where you are forced to use Windows,
I feel lucky that I
If my recollection of the history is correct, CentOS and Princeton EL
were separate from SL. CentOS originally was a "volunteer" effort
building from RHEL source, with RH personnel monitoring the CentOS
"lists" because CentOS had a wider range of an installed base on
enthusiast and home user
source (by treaty or the
equivalent?). Very few if any USA universities have the same stable
funding.
Yasha Karant
On 12/9/20 7:25 AM, Larry Linder wrote:
In the early days of Windows 3.0 and OS/2. Windows 3.0 was short lived
because every user knew it was a dog.
OS/2 was pretty nice but ha
el you envision to
be "paid" developers. Full time? "Gig"? From where do you envision
the pay to come? With proper benefits (not required in those
nation-states that have social services and benefits for all)?
Take care. Stay safe.
Yasha Karant
On 12/17/20 8:04 AM
Re: Update from Rocky EL
On 12/16/20 9:55 PM, Yasha Karant wrote:
... The question I raised still needs to be addressed: will Rocky EL
be done by paid professionals (as with SL or Springdale Princeton EL)
or will it be done by volunteers, some (many) of whom are "amateurs"?
I am very
same sort of information as the current SL users list?
Yasha Karant
On 12/17/20 8:07 AM, Takashi Ichihara wrote:
URL:
CentOS 8 Linux@CERN
https://linux.web.cern.ch/centos8/
Regrds,
Takashi
On 2020/12/18 0:17, James F Amundson wrote:
CERN and Fermilab acknowledge the recent decision to shift
I do not currently have the time or inclination to address the various
points raised in the exchange/commentary, to which I am adding some
comments, in sufficient detail.
UC CSRG BSD original deployment largely evolved for DEC hardware
platforms, such as the PDP-11 (with segmented overlay
I am familiar with Kubernetes that initiated though Google engineering
staff as I recall. For those who are quite unfamiliar with Kubernetes,
a brief overview with references is
ssional volunteers typically
exacerbate this situation.
On 12/10/20 8:18 PM, ~Stack~ wrote:
On 12/10/20 4:47 PM, Yasha Karant wrote:
Again, my own needs are such that it is unacceptable to have a
volunteer (and in many cases, amateur) developer/support arrangement
for "mission critical" syst
nacceptable to have a volunteer
(and in many cases, amateur) developer/support arrangement for "mission
critical" systems and applications software.
Yasha Karant
On 12/10/20 8:47 AM, Vinícius Ferrão wrote:
I’ve done this mistake in the past.
The major issue with Debian is its lifec
I replied off-list on this topic, with similar thoughts as to what is
stated below. There are numerous issues, particularly with
non-professional software applications not designed for "broadcast" use
in addition to the physics and implemented technological limitations
discussed below. Any
I fully agree. The security-against-compromise integrity of up-ported
"SL7" using C++n, for some n > n(RHEL 7."latest or last" distro)
requires "professional" re-evaluation, penetration testing, and
monitoring. Will this be done? I too have run into the same issues
with backporting, and for
ky Linux is released.
Maarten
On 12/14/20 8:49 PM, Yasha Karant wrote:
Springdale EL (Princeton in my terminology, just as SL is
Fermilab/CERN) shows the following:
Download
DVD
i386 x86_64
8.3 TBA TBA
That is, there is no repo with an installable EL 8 ISO image. As for
repos, Spri
SAs (along with other architectural differences). Out of
curiosity, how similar are the Apple Mac ARM CPUs to the CPU used in the
Fujitsu Fugaku HPC machine (A64FX 48C 2.2GHz)?
On 12/14/20 12:12 PM, Jon Pruente wrote:
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 2:07 PM Yasha Karant <mailto:ykar...@gmai
for the to-be-defunct CentOS 8, CentOS 7 can keep SL 7 patched
for security, albeit not necessarily for new hardware (e.g., backporting
drivers) or supporting new CPU and system I/O architectures.
Yasha Karant
On 12/14/20 3:39 AM, Maarten wrote:
I already converted over my personal systems ove
I have a file with extension .tnt . This is a file that is used by an
appropriate viewer to produce a "3d image" on a 2D screen without
augmentation (goggles, etc.). Is there either a viewer that can render
tnt files, or a converter that will convert a tnt file to a more common
3d image file
cky EL executables as supplied? Or
will the HEP community do internal evaluation and testing before
deployment, keeping a working distro separate from the vagaries of what
may (NOTE: *MAY*, not will) be an amateur volunteer distro?
Take care. Stay safe.
Yasha Karant
gmk December 16th at 1
To the best of my understanding, both Fedora and the coming CentOS are
beta (development/testing) environments, not stable production
environments, as is non-LTS Ubuntu. I know of many people who use Fedora
-- and more than once had bad experiences because of a software defect.
This is much
I agree. However, when I examine the log of which packages were
replaced (I mean that the files associated with major release N were
fully replaced by those of major release N+1 -- however, log and end
user configuration were retained, such as the list of users, passwords,
etc.), I find that
As I recall, what you state below is similar in sentiment to response/s
when I noted the "same" comment concerning Princeton EL in the past. I
take it from your response no one in the larger EL community (including
HPC/HTC) shares the Princeton "sentiment" and that there is no "basis in
.
*From:* owner-scientific-linux-us...@listserv.fnal.gov
on behalf of Yasha
Karant
*Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2020 2:44 PM
*To:* scientific-linux-users@fnal.gov
*Subject:* Re: Springdale Linux
Thank you for quoting from the Princeton material. I had read the
Princeton commentary a while
compensated "Gig
economy" "workers" does not result in stability. Stability requires
compensated permanent professionals (except for those who are
independently "wealthy" and are willing to be permanent "volunteers", an
unlike staff arrangement).
Yasha
I agree with your analysis, save for three comments. Mine also is not a
political comment, merely an analysis of fact.
Overwhelmingly throughout the world, HEP is funded by public funds
(sometimes from totalitarian dictatorships if one can call such
"public"). HEP addresses basic science,
, and a compensated professional
staff behind the distro (as observed many times on this SL list).
On 12/16/20 6:17 PM, Vinícius Ferrão wrote:
Hi Yasha, link seems to be broken.
It points to a Google Docs document that’s unavailable.
On 16 Dec 2020, at 20:27, Yasha Karant wrote:
I do n
files of various types (e.g., TeXstudio)
than does SL, mostly because of SL using an older c/c++ library that
also is used by SL ("kernel") and thus not easy (nor safe) to change.
Take care. Stay safe.
Yasha Karant
procedure is to
nonetheless backup all non-distro directories and files to an external
device so that things can be retrieved if something were to go awry.
Take care. Stay safe.
Yasha Karant
Unlock messages prior to December 20th in The Next Generation of High
Performance Computing Community
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The above is the message upon reading the current
ct for that matter) is not a complaint, but simply proper
engineering. Actual binary executables are constructed through
engineering and technology.
On 12/30/20 8:08 AM, Jon Pruente wrote:
On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 6:51 PM Yasha Karant <mailto:ykar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Thus, unl
such as Heaviside could not be
allowed to join the Faculty, and definitely not the tenure-stream
Faculty. My university looks at the bar-code, as it were, not the
actual contents.
On 12/31/20 4:42 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 2:19 PM Yasha Karant wrote:
I fully agree
NB: "We" below refers to the Arstechnica persons. The solution below
seems to be at no cost, but will not address a university, CERN,
Fermilab, etc., multiple copy deployment as this exceeds the IBM RH "no
fee" limit. Presumably there is some mechanism to prevent no fee use of
the
My understanding is that only SuSE, Red Hat, and Ubuntu produce open
systems ("free to port" with attribution and removal of copyrighted logo
intellectual property) "enterprise" distros -- and all of these in
current production release use SystemD, etc., baggage. Was Torvalds
behind SystemD,
In response to a query concerning Ubuntu LTS:
Neither AskUbuntu nor Ubuntuforums is "monitored by Canonical employed
professionals". This is community support. We are volunteers. If you
want to talk to Canonical-employed engineers, you must pay for Ubuntu
Advantage.
End excerpt.
Although
on, to me this is not the same as the Tomasulo
algorithm and reservation stations that are now commonplace on many
general purpose CPU architectures and that met (and meets) a real need.
On 1/22/21 5:20 PM, Patrick J. LoPresti wrote:
On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 4:01 PM Yasha Karant <
Everything stated below is "correct", historically as well as for the
immediate for-profit concerns of the vendors (such as IBM RH or
Canonical). The issues with both the (old,"deceased", pre-RBOC) ATT or
the BSD boot, startup, etc., mechanisms are primarily that these were
designed for a
update environment, not SystemD), the consequences will affect more than
just the community of SL.
On 1/25/21 10:05 AM, Lamar Owen wrote:
On 1/25/21 12:04 PM, Yasha Karant wrote:
The question is: what mechanism? The reality today for Linux systems
as deployed at scale mostly is Sys
Without adding too much additional traffic, the ability to go down
levels with things such as NFS "off" but otherwise maintain the running
image (and other state variable values), one could isolate and possibly
identify problems -- without throwing an exception except from any
additional
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>
On 25/01/2021 18:04, Yasha Karant wrote:
SystemD as it currently stands is too delicate and too
vulnerable to compromise, either within itself or in terms of the
processes/subsystems it "controls", despite the large scale deployment
n the
"hodgepodge" of what seem to many as arbitrary and capricious
incantations? These questions are not posed as divisive or derisive,
but instead requesting information.
On 1/23/21 4:41 PM, ~Stack~ wrote:
On 1/22/21 8:20 PM, Yasha Karant wrote:
I had not heard the hist
From what I recall of the discussions leading up to SystemD in the
general deployment that seems to be the current reality, one reason was
to not only use "concurrency" at boot, but to standardise across distros
and thus simplify use in "operating systems as a service" in "cloud
computing".
Two items of possible interest on OpenRC, with a relevant excerpt therefrom:
Mark Rousell's commentary is accurate and to the point. As for "better
ones" and the lack of competitor systems being "widely adopted" is far
more a for-profit business decision than a decision based upon the
abstract software engineering and performance merits of the situation.
Despite the
AM, Lamar Owen wrote:
On 12/31/20 12:05 AM, Yasha Karant wrote:
... It is difficult, but not impossible, to have a distro that does
not have computer science and engineering professionals ... doing the
implementation that is suitable for "hardened" production use,
including converting a
tinue to support
porting needed drivers and utilities to EL 8, 9, ... , and thus Rocky EL.
On 12/31/20 7:21 AM, Jon Pruente wrote:
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 11:06 PM Yasha Karant <mailto:ykar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Beef: Slang. a complaint.
an argument or dispute.
There are several issues with IBM RHEL clones, ultimately controlled by
what is termed the Nazgul below (presumably a reference to the fictional
entities:
source, amongst enterprise production distros, to my naive
understanding, Ubuntu LTS has better prospects than any IBM RHEL clone.
On 4/5/21 7:52 AM, Lamar Owen wrote:
On 4/3/21 2:57 PM, Yasha Karant wrote:
Is IBM RH required under the GPL and Linux licenses to release without
charge the fully buildable
I support an enduser who had Mint installed by a friend. Installing
Ubuntu LTS current "over" Mint and then the full MATE suite fully
addressed the specific Mint issues you mentioned below. At one time I
had installed SL on that enduser's machine -- however, SL could not
support some of the
From:
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__almalinux.org_=DwID-g=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A=KU_K6Bb6uJskkQm0ARvjm17xkYDdWaB3_FkejuJOG48=0dJ5TofplnmjW7jomirkBqLAnePLrd6g4rgnOAamFZw=
As a standalone, completely free
, Yasha Karant wrote:
I have not downloaded (and thus not installed) AL8. From below:
with
> unfortunate issues precisely replicing [replicating?] those of RHEL
installation
> media, such as an absurd number of confusingly distinct software
> channels, and no default mirror list on th
I have not downloaded (and thus not installed) AL8. From below:
with
> unfortunate issues precisely replicing [replicating?] those of RHEL
installation
> media, such as an absurd number of confusingly distinct software
> channels, and no default mirror list on the network bootable media.
>
Has anyone tried the Institute for Advanced Study Springdale (IAS) EL 8
distro? Is this in fact a complete distro that uses Epel and ElRepo as
did SL? Does it install and boot as did SL? Supposedly, Springdale can
replace SL, although unlike SL that was "supported" by professional
employed
You state:
That has nothing to do with Linux and Red Hat. I do not know
why you bring it up.
End excerpt.
I respectfully disagree in so far as the issue concerns the future of
whatever Linux (or other environment) that Fermilab/CERN and the
"official" collaborations thereof use, and the HEP
. Your observations on RHEL
indicate that except for those who license RHEL for fee with an IBM RH
support contract, RHEL is not an viable stable long-term (nor immediate)
alternative.
On 3/5/21 1:09 PM, Konstantin Olchanski wrote:
On Thu, Mar 04, 2021 at 06:27:07PM -0800, Yasha Karant wrote
Most HEP (and sometimes other) "academic" collaborations have
collaboration agreements for all member institutions (or groups or
individuals) that no work done by the collaboration may be published or
discussed without permission from the collaboration, typically a set of
PIs (often not a
do not know
why you bring it up. And you did not get it completely
right, either. In Physics, we do not have to sign legal NDAs
to participate in experiments and projects. It is basically
an honor system, and everybody plays by the rules
and/or breaks the rules per basic human nature. Books hav
--
*From:* owner-scientific-linux-us...@listserv.fnal.gov
on behalf of Gilbert E.
Detillieux
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 7, 2021 9:19 AM
*To:* Andrew C Aitchison
*Cc:* scientific-linux-users
*Subject:* Re: sudo - was Re: FWIW: AlmaLinux now available.
On 2021-04-07 2:11 a.m., Andrew C Aitchison
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