Re: [freenet-support] Getting started question...

[Dave Hooper]

Freenet doesn't spider stuff.   Your freenet node will cache sites visited 
by you, and also cache requests made by neighbouring nodes (i.e. stuff 
requested by *other people*).   If none of your neighbouring nodes are 
forwarding requests to your node, and you don't visit any sites, then 
Freenet will be idle.   It doesn't automatically spider, but maybe it 
should, it would be pretty cool

- Original Message - 
From: "Don Gregory" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 6:46 PM
Subject: [freenet-support] Getting started question...


After initially setting up Freenet, (I set it to announce in the config) 
will it only download and cache sites I try to visit, or if I leave it 
running, will it just start to spider stuff automatically up to my store's 
set MB limit?

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Re: [freenet-support] Startup question

[Dave Hooper]

The automatic startup is just a property of Windows.   If you don't want 
something to run automatically, just delete the startup shortcut (it's on 
your Program Files menu off the Windows menu start button ...).  It's not a 
proprietary technology, it's just a link, and it's the same for every other 
application in Windows, for every version of Windows.   This is THE most 
obvious solution, and it is surprising you didn't try this yet.

Alternatively, when you installed Freenet, if you don't tick the "Create 
shortcuts" box on the installer then the installer won't create the startup 
shortcuts... If you leave that box ticked, then the Freenet installer will 
create shortcuts which cause it to run automatically...

Transient, on the other hand, is NOTHING to do with automatic startup.   If 
you want to know what transient means, try asking in the freenet-dev mailing 
list.  Otherwise, just ignore that and leave it alone.

- Original Message - 
From: "Don Gregory" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 6:14 PM
Subject: [freenet-support] Startup question


It appears that Freenet wants to modify the startup section of my Windows 
config so that it fires up automatically at a reboot.  I don't care for 
this.  I want to be able to launch it manually.  I hate things starting 
automatically.  Is there any way to change this?  I tell Spy Sweeper to 
remove that, but it comes back almost immediately, even if the Freenet 
process isn't running.

I thought maybe the grayed-out option to set the node to transient would 
be what controls that, but when I check the option on the Serious Geeks 
tab to allow me to change those options on the main page, it says it needs 
to restart the node for changes to take effect.  When the node restarts, 
those options are still grayed out, and the checkbox on the Serious Geeks 
tab is un-checked again.

I also tried looking through Freenet.ini for anything that might apply to 
the auto-startup, but I didn't find anything about "startup" or 
"transient" anywhere in the ini file.

So, since none of the obvious solutions are working, here I am.  Anybody 
know how to do this?

Thanks in advance,
Don
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Re: [freenet-support] Windows and JRE 1.5

[Dave Hooper]

webinstall.exe only accepts 1.4.x 
JRE.  Maybe that should be changed but, until it is, you won't be able to 
install freenet that way.
Of course, you could just hack your 
registry and it will just work:
 
After installing JRE 1.5 (or whatever 
JRE you want to use) create this key:
 
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\JavaSoft\Java Runtime 
Environment\1.4
 
and copy everything from
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\JavaSoft\Java Runtime 
Environment\1.5.1_5   (or whatever it's called)
into ...\1.4 also.
 
That will trick the installer into 
thinking the JRE is a 1.4 JRE.
 
 
Alternatively somebody could fix the 
installer.  I don't think there are any significant reasons why you can't 
just install a 1.4 JRE in the first place...
 
d

  - Original Message - 
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  Gravier 
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  AM
  Subject: [freenet-support] Windows and 
  JRE 1.5
  Hi!Just tried to install Freenet 5090 (http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/freenet-webinstall.exe) 
  on Windows XP... with the latest JRE 1.5.0 installed. Unfortunately, the 
  freenet installer then complains that it can't find a suitable JRE to run 
  with.Of course, I don't want to also install the 1.4.1 JRE... I want 
  to stay with 1.5.0 or better.Regards,Gilles.
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Re: [freenet-support] freenet starts and hangs

[Dave Hooper]

Yeah, but if =3D is actually in the ini file, then that's bad (right?).

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [freenet-support] freenet starts and hangs


> mail escape string for '=' as '=' itself is used to escape special
characters
>
> >No-one seems to have mentioned that your freenet.ini file looks like it
is
> >full of junk.  What is all this "=3D" crap?  Try deleting the freenet.ini
> >file and recreating it.  Freenet really doesn't like corrupted ini files.
> >
> >- Original Message - 
> >From: "Anonymous" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 8:03 PM
> >Subject: [freenet-support] freenet starts and hangs
> >
> >
> >> freenet starts up, then stops with flashing '!' on the systray rabbit.
> >> Anyone know the cause of this?   perhaps my settings are at fault? any
> >> advice / recomendations are welcome except for bandwidth limits which I
> >> have no choice except 512bytes / sec inbound and outbound.
> >>
> >> thanks
> >>
> >>
> >> freenet.log (in it's entirety)
> >> Oct 1, 2004 7:45:01 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): Starting
Freenet
> >> (Fred) 0.5 node, build #5096 on JVM Sun Microsystems Inc.:Java
HotSpot(TM)
> >> Client VM:1.4.1_03-b02
> >> INFO: Native CPUID library
> >> 'freenet/support/CPUInformation/jcpuid-x86-windows.dll' loaded from
> >> resource
> >> INFO: Optimized native BigInteger library
> >> 'net/i2p/util/jbigi-windows-pentiummmx.dll' loaded from resource
> >> Oct 1, 2004 7:45:18 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): loading node
> >> keys: node
> >> Oct 1, 2004 7:45:19 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): Read node
file
> >> Oct 1, 2004 7:45:22 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): starting
> >> filesystem
> >> Oct 1, 2004 7:45:29 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): loading data
> >> store
> >> Oct 1, 2004 7:45:30 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): loading
routing
> >> table
> >> Oct 1, 2004 7:45:32 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): From input:
> >512.0=
> >>
> >> Oct 1, 2004 7:45:32 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): Setting
default
> >> initTransferRate to 512.0
> >> Oct 1, 2004 7:45:54 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): Created new
NGRT
> >> Oct 1, 2004 7:45:55 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): Loaded stats
> >> Oct 1, 2004 7:45:55 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): loading temp
> >> bucket factory
> >> Oct 1, 2004 7:45:55 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): loaded temp
> >> bucket factory
> >> Oct 1, 2004 7:45:55 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): Loaded bucket
> >> factory
> >> Oct 1, 2004 7:45:55 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): not seeding
> >> routing table
> >> Oct 1, 2004 7:45:59 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): starting node
> >> Could not initialize network I/O system! Exiting
> >> java.io.IOException: Unable to establish loopback connection
> >> at sun.nio.ch.PipeImpl$Initializer.run(Unknown Source)
> >> at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
> >> at sun.nio.ch.PipeImpl.(Unknown Source)
> >> at sun.nio.ch.SelectorProviderImpl.openPipe(Unknown Source)
> >> at java.nio.channels.Pipe.open(Unknown Source)
> >> at sun.nio.ch.WindowsSelectorImpl.(Unknown Source)
> >> at sun.nio.ch.WindowsSelectorProvider.openSelector(Unknown Source)
> >> at java.nio.channels.Selector.open(Unknown Source)
> >> at
> >>
>
>freenet.transport.AbstractSelectorLoop.(AbstractSelectorLoop.java:153
=
> >>
> >> )
> >> at
> >>
>
>freenet.transport.ThrottledSelectorLoop.(ThrottledSelectorLoop.java:6
=
> >>
> >> 9)
> >> at
freenet.transport.WriteSelectorLoop.(WriteSelectorLoop.java:85)
> >> at
> >>
freenet.transport.tcpConnection.startSelectorLoops(tcpConnection.java:167)
> >> at freenet.node.Main.startNode(Main.java:1570)
> >> at freenet.node.Main.spawnNode(Main.java:1060)
> >> at freenet.node.Main.main(Main.java:908)
> >> Caused by: java.net.SocketException: No buffer space available (maximum
> >> connections reached?): connect
> >> at sun.nio.ch.Net.connect(Native Method)
> >> at sun.nio.ch.SocketChannelImpl.connect(Unknown Source)
> >> at java.nio.channels.SocketChannel.open(Unknown Source)
> >> ... 15 more
> >>
> >>
> >> here's most of my freenet.ini
> >>
> >> [Node Config]
> >> # Freenet configuration file
> >> # This file was automatically generated by WinConfig on 09/30/04
> >>
> >> [Freenet Node]
> >>
> >> # Note that all properties may be overridden from the command line,
> >> # so for example, java Freenet.Node --listenPort 1 will cause
> >> # the setting in this file to be ignored
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >> # Normal entries
> >> 
> >>
> >> # The byte size of the datastore cache file.  Note that it will
maintain
> >> # a fixed size. If you change this or the storePath field following,
> >> # your entire datastore will be wiped and replaced with a blank one
> >> storeSize=3D795M
> >>
> >> # The path to a single file (including file name, or

Re: [freenet-support] freenet starts and hangs

[Dave Hooper]

No-one seems to have mentioned that your freenet.ini file looks like it is
full of junk.  What is all this "=3D" crap?  Try deleting the freenet.ini
file and recreating it.  Freenet really doesn't like corrupted ini files.

- Original Message - 
From: "Anonymous" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 8:03 PM
Subject: [freenet-support] freenet starts and hangs


> freenet starts up, then stops with flashing '!' on the systray rabbit.
> Anyone know the cause of this?   perhaps my settings are at fault? any
> advice / recomendations are welcome except for bandwidth limits which I
> have no choice except 512bytes / sec inbound and outbound.
>
> thanks
>
>
> freenet.log (in it's entirety)
> Oct 1, 2004 7:45:01 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): Starting Freenet
> (Fred) 0.5 node, build #5096 on JVM Sun Microsystems Inc.:Java HotSpot(TM)
> Client VM:1.4.1_03-b02
> INFO: Native CPUID library
> 'freenet/support/CPUInformation/jcpuid-x86-windows.dll' loaded from
> resource
> INFO: Optimized native BigInteger library
> 'net/i2p/util/jbigi-windows-pentiummmx.dll' loaded from resource
> Oct 1, 2004 7:45:18 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): loading node
> keys: node
> Oct 1, 2004 7:45:19 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): Read node file
> Oct 1, 2004 7:45:22 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): starting
> filesystem
> Oct 1, 2004 7:45:29 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): loading data
> store
> Oct 1, 2004 7:45:30 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): loading routing
> table
> Oct 1, 2004 7:45:32 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): From input:
512.0=
>
> Oct 1, 2004 7:45:32 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): Setting default
> initTransferRate to 512.0
> Oct 1, 2004 7:45:54 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): Created new NGRT
> Oct 1, 2004 7:45:55 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): Loaded stats
> Oct 1, 2004 7:45:55 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): loading temp
> bucket factory
> Oct 1, 2004 7:45:55 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): loaded temp
> bucket factory
> Oct 1, 2004 7:45:55 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): Loaded bucket
> factory
> Oct 1, 2004 7:45:55 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): not seeding
> routing table
> Oct 1, 2004 7:45:59 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): starting node
> Could not initialize network I/O system! Exiting
> java.io.IOException: Unable to establish loopback connection
> at sun.nio.ch.PipeImpl$Initializer.run(Unknown Source)
> at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
> at sun.nio.ch.PipeImpl.(Unknown Source)
> at sun.nio.ch.SelectorProviderImpl.openPipe(Unknown Source)
> at java.nio.channels.Pipe.open(Unknown Source)
> at sun.nio.ch.WindowsSelectorImpl.(Unknown Source)
> at sun.nio.ch.WindowsSelectorProvider.openSelector(Unknown Source)
> at java.nio.channels.Selector.open(Unknown Source)
> at
>
freenet.transport.AbstractSelectorLoop.(AbstractSelectorLoop.java:153=
>
> )
> at
>
freenet.transport.ThrottledSelectorLoop.(ThrottledSelectorLoop.java:6=
>
> 9)
> at freenet.transport.WriteSelectorLoop.(WriteSelectorLoop.java:85)
> at
> freenet.transport.tcpConnection.startSelectorLoops(tcpConnection.java:167)
> at freenet.node.Main.startNode(Main.java:1570)
> at freenet.node.Main.spawnNode(Main.java:1060)
> at freenet.node.Main.main(Main.java:908)
> Caused by: java.net.SocketException: No buffer space available (maximum
> connections reached?): connect
> at sun.nio.ch.Net.connect(Native Method)
> at sun.nio.ch.SocketChannelImpl.connect(Unknown Source)
> at java.nio.channels.SocketChannel.open(Unknown Source)
> ... 15 more
>
>
> here's most of my freenet.ini
>
> [Node Config]
> # Freenet configuration file
> # This file was automatically generated by WinConfig on 09/30/04
>
> [Freenet Node]
>
> # Note that all properties may be overridden from the command line,
> # so for example, java Freenet.Node --listenPort 1 will cause
> # the setting in this file to be ignored
>
>
> 
> # Normal entries
> 
>
> # The byte size of the datastore cache file.  Note that it will maintain
> # a fixed size. If you change this or the storePath field following,
> # your entire datastore will be wiped and replaced with a blank one
> storeSize=3D795M
>
> # The path to a single file (including file name, or a comma-separated
list=
>
> # of files,
> # containing the data store.  The size of each file is given by
=
>
> # Defaults to cache_ in the main freenet directory.
> #storeFile=3D
>
>
> # The port to listen for incoming FNP (Freenet Node Protocol) connections
o=
> n.
> listenPort=3D##
>
> # The I.P. address of this node as seen by the public internet.
> # This is needed in order for the node to determine its own
> # NodeReference.
> ipAddress=3Dmydomain.com
> # Transient nodes do not give out references to themselves, and should
> # therefore not receive any requests.  Set this to yes only if you are
> # on a slow, non-permanent connection.
> transient

Re: [freenet-support] minor bug webinstaller

[Dave Hooper]

Could you tell me under what circumstances the webinstaller will try to
overwrite itself while running please?  I see this only happening if you
first download the webinstaller into the freenet application folder, and
then run it, which is not really intended.  If that is what you do (and if
it is indeed common) then maybe I'll code for that behaviour.  This
intention is kinda that you just run (rather than download-and-save) the
webinstaller!

d

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From: "Jan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 2:30 PM
Subject: [freenet-support] minor bug webinstaller


> This is probably a well known bug but it still persists.
>
> The web installer tries to overwrite itself which of course isn't
> possible since it is in use.
>
> This can be circumvented by putting the installer in a different
> folder so it's not that much of a problem, just a bit confusing.
> -- 
> groet!
>  jan
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Re: [freenet-support] [Dharmadoer7@aol.com: (no subject)]

[Dave Hooper]

> Have you verified, using the task manager, that all processes associated
> with freenet is gone?

That shouldn't be necessary, if it is then Something Bad is going on

> Use the task manager to kill of any (or any unwanted if you run multiple
> java apps on your computer) java.exe processes and any freenet.exe process
> then start the uninstaller again.

The java process is "javaw.exe" not "java.exe" by the way.
However, if you've done this and the uninstaller still won't work, please
reply and we'll try and figure out what's wrong.

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Re: [freenet-support] View Freenet.log

[Dave Hooper]

> > > For the first time today I discovered the right-click Menu on the View
> > > Freenetlog.  I'm well trained.  I don't expect a menu on a grayed
> window!
> >
> > huh?
>
> Up until this event (above) the only way I could get anything from the
View
> window for freenet.log was to mark it, then use ctrl-c and then use ctrl-v
> to put the marked material somewhere useful.

But if you wanted to *get* information from the logfile, you wouldn't use
"tail -f ..." would you?  You'd actually get sections from the logfile
itself.  So why should the windows viewer be any different?  (excepting that
the Copy To Clipboard currently doesn't work)

>  That View window does not
> have a white client window-field implying in the Windows world that it was
> likely a unmarkable window, thus unable to extract material from it

Dude, *WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON* ?!  Most grey text windows are markable!

> -- like
> Microsoft is so helpful about in all it's message windows, so you will be
> much frustrated in trying to report "error message" content -- frustrated
> because most of us are not perfect typists and usually include at least
one
> or two incorrect characters and a missed or added word or two.

Right which is why I included the 'mark' functionality just in case anybody
wanted it.  I never claimed it would be perfect but it's totally consistent
with microsoft.  Non-white client windows imply UN-EDITABLE, not
UN-MARKABLE!!

>The button
> at the bottom has always seemed to imply that one can copy out some
> material from that View window for the freenet.log file.  No such luck

Because I never wrote the code to do it ...

> unless one discovers that there is a unimplied right-click window-menu
that
> allows some options that are the method for marking so that the button
> actually has something accessible for it to paste somewhere.

That popup menu is *ALWAYS THERE ON EVERY TEXT WINDOW*.  You actually ever
used Windows before?!

>  There is
> nothing on/in the clip board unless one uses this right-click pop-window
> menu.

Hm, so if you don't select "Copy" then nothing appears in the clipboard.
Why are you surprised?

> Other methods can mark in the client field of the window (usually a
> no-no, i.e.,  no-action, but grayed windows, even when they have one or
> both scroll bars commonly do not permit marking.

"Commonly" in what sense?  Dude, pick ANY file on your harddrive, right
click it, select Properties, and look at EVERYTHING you can mark...  on the
grey property page...

>  Here you can mark, but
> the marker material is not transferred to the clipboard so the clip board
> does not know about it.

Marking something in windows **NEVER** automatically copies to clipboard.
You must be on crack.

> This is the kind of things that mass distributions
> of software frequently find as "unconvential" application of abilities
even
> when the public user has no idea how the software works.  That view window
> into the freenet.log file has been one of my greatest frustrations.

Don't f**king use it then.  It's not really very unconventional at all.  It
works almost exactly like "tail -f" but in a Window.  It has the added bonus
of infinite scrollback.  And the button marked "Copy To Clipboard" does not
work because it hasn't been implemented.

> The next was having nothing appearing useful in the log file until in
> reached a few megs and then trying to extract the last two dozen lines to
> send to someone who can read log files and having the results disappear
> without being read, OR sending the entire log file and having it discarded
> by the mail system.  Then a message, could you send it again?

Jesus, if you want to extract a whole bunch of lines from the end of the
logfile, say any logfile, say ANY FILE, you pick an editor, load the file,
mark off the last few lines, delete the rest of the file, and paste THAT
into your email.  You don't copy and paste manually from a shell prompt
running tail -f, you don't email the entire file.  How come you find it so
hard?!


d

bad mood, sorry.  forced to go study for exams, thought that shit was long
behind me

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Fw: [freenet-support] help

[Dave Hooper]

forwarded
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From: "Uncle Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Dave Hooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [freenet-support] help


> ok...it seems to be working alot better now. Stuck a
> pin throught my firewall, it hicupped for a while then
> just started working. HHmmm???
>
> Well now I have a new question. I let freenet run for
> days and it never gets any faster, also th3ere are
> only a couple portals that will show up, all others
> say "data not found". Anyways... lets take a stab at
> the speed
> issue.
>
> this is what it reports on the "General Information"
> page.
> ---
> Current routingTime 1938ms
> Curent messageSendTimeRequest 36ms
> Pooled threads running jobs 48 (40%)
> Pooled threads which are idle 27
> Outbound request quota used 9/300 (3.0%)
> Reason for QueryRejecting requests: Estimated load
> (99.1%) > overloadLow (85%)
> It's normal for the node to sometimes reject
> connections or requests for a limited period. If
> you're seeing rejections continuously the node is
> overloaded or something is wrong (i.e. a bug).
> Current estimated load 99.1% [QueryRejecting all
> incoming requests!]
> Reason for load: Load due to thread limit = 40%
> Load due to routingTime = 99.1% = 85% + 15% *
> (1938.660 - 1000.000) / 1000.000 > overloadLow (85%)
> Load due to messageSendTimeRequest = 80.2% = 85% + 15%
> * (36.253 - 1000.000) / 3000.000 <= overloadLow (85%)
>
> Here are my "Recent Logs'
>
> Time Message Exception
> 08:42:37 Upstream node connection died for
> freenet.node.states.request.TransferReply:
> key=0a0a313bfcf00f12d17c495e2d2b98da30cea45f120302,
> hopsToLive=20, id=69654bb9aeae0031,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
(0a0a313bfcf00f12d17c495e2d2b98da30cea45f120302,request),ft=freenet.node.sta
[EMAIL PROTECTED]@1068482557677,
> routedTime=1068482167716, replyTime=1068482175968,
> outwardSender=null null
> 08:42:37 Upstream node connection died for
> freenet.node.states.request.TransferReply:
> key=1560430e2a365c794e24d30e335154c620abbb9f110302,
> hopsToLive=25, id=5087409fa355adf4,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
(1560430e2a365c794e24d30e335154c620abbb9f110302,request),ft=freenet.node.sta
[EMAIL PROTECTED]@1068482557857,
> routedTime=1068482155709, replyTime=1068482157772,
> outwardSender=null null
> 08:42:38 Upstream node connection died for
> freenet.node.states.request.TransferReply:
> key=04f7c2af412a85b0d17a9d9ca3c9a00b047438bb120302,
> hopsToLive=19, id=90faed732bae653f,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
(04f7c2af412a85b0d17a9d9ca3c9a00b047438bb120302,request),ft=freenet.node.sta
[EMAIL PROTECTED]@1068482558648,
> routedTime=1068482184430, replyTime=1068482188346,
> outwardSender=null null
> 08:42:38 Upstream node connection died for
> freenet.node.states.request.TransferReply:
> key=e607031ef9c83de25bef04ac162b1cf2cd3d9504120302,
> hopsToLive=20, id=df0de14977b9eedf,
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> routedTime=1068482167526, replyTime=1068482172573,
> outwardSender=null null
> 08:42:38 Upstream node connection died for
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> key=1da5ac14790658494b641dceaa7e9f8cf9532c13120302,
> hopsToLive=15, id=464c4265fb77b0f6,
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]@1068482558728,
> routedTime=1068482153155, replyTime=1068482154427,
> outwardSender=null null
> 08:42:39 Upstream node connection died for
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> key=90fe3d2d4bdff207e39186361019741b608bd130120302,
> hopsToLive=20, id=c99bb0360133e642,
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> routedTime=1068482183950, replyTime=1068482184971,
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Re: [freenet-support] Installation

[Dave Hooper]

The missing file is "java".  (java is a JRE (java runtime environment), but
it's not looking for a file called jre, it's looking for a file called java)
Rather than editing javapath and replacing it, why not just symlink
/usr/bin/java to wherever you actually have java installed?  Much easier in
the long run.  If your system is already configured to symlink /usr/bin/java
to /usr/bin/jsdk-1.4.5.2.1.3.4/dfadsfasdfasdf  or whatever then no config
needs to change.  Also means it's much easier to upgrade to newer versions
of java in the future, just change the symlink to point at the new
installation of java.  Rather than, say, having to update the config files
of all of your applications which use java!

- Original Message - 
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Installation


> They can be installed anywhere. The file freenet needs is the executable
> file java which should have came with the java distribution. Install
freenet
> into a directory in your home directory. Freenet is a good choice. Edit
the
> file called start-freenet.sh and add this to the top replacing javapath
with
> the directory that the java excutable is in.
>
> PATH=javapath:$PATH
> export PATH
>
> Run start-freenet.sh and Freenet should start up after that.
>
> Dave
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Phil Rabne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:47 PM
> Subject: [freenet-support] Installation
>
>
> > I'm trying to install freenet (freenet-0.5.2.1.tar.gz).
> >
> >  I first installed "j2sdk-1_4_2-nb-3_5_1-bin-linux.bin" into
> > /home/philtr, of course...my home directory. Then I tried installing
> > freenet into /home/philtr/j2sdk_nb/j2sdk.1.4.2/, the subdirectory "jre"
> > in this directory. No luck! Then I tried going up the tree untill I was
> > in my home directory. Nothing! Each time freenet couldn't find the
> > executable, "jre".
> >
> > Where should each be installed? In what directory is freenet looking to
> > find  "jre"?  Can I get to a path variable in freenet to tell it where
> > to look? I tried the support archive but, that was "forbidden" fruit.
> > Thanks in advance for your help.   phil
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Re: [freenet-support] help

[Dave Hooper]

> He may be having trouble giving you log if he is trying from the rabbit.
> At least on my system the display of log from rabbit does little more than
> that.  I've mentioned it several times, but either no one believe me or
the
> problem remains uncomprehended or unimportant.

What would you prefer "View Logfile" to do, other than view the logfile?
Maybe I could add a button which also loads it into an editor of your
choice.  The point is View Logfie is essentially a window doing a tail of
the logfile.  So it updates as new messages come in.  Whereas, say, loading
freenet.log into notepad *wouldn't* automatically update notepad as new
messages are logged

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Re: [freenet-support] route not found

[Dave Hooper]

To configure your firewall you need to
1.  Let *ALL* outbound traffic from *ALL* local ports pass out through your
firewall onto the internet.  This is because Freenet sets up connections to
external nodes and there's no telling which local port numbers it will be
using at any time.  This is just the same as allowing outbound traffic from
an FTP client
and,
2.  Let *ONLY* inbound traffic *to your freenet port* pass from the internet
thru the firewall onto your computer.

Your freenet port by the way is the one that shows up on the first page of
the Configuration utility, or if you don't use that it's the line in
freenet.ini called listenPort

If your firewall is also a NAT router, you may also need to enable a mode on
the firewall called 'virtual server' - this ensures that inbound requests to
this port actually get routed to *your* computer - so you may need to enter
your PC's IP address into your firewall configuration.  If your firewall is
just software-based and installed on the same PC as freenet then you don't
need to do this step.

- Original Message - 
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To: "Dave Hooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [freenet-support] route not found


> My freenet.log is huge!  over 2 megs.  I wouldn't know what to look for!
Here
> are a couple of chunks:
>
> Nov 4, 2003 3:19:40 AM (freenet.node.states.announcing.Announcing,
> QThread-601, NORMAL): Announcement failed to e68a dee9 33d8 f78c 26d0
a615
> 4053 bc8d 31bb 4604 at depth  2:freenet.SendFailedException: Against peer
> DSA(e68a dee9 33d8 f78c 26d0  a615 4053 bc8d 31bb 4604) @ null - No open
> connections and can't contact node (terminal)
> Nov 4, 2003 3:19:40 AM (freenet.node.states.announcing.Announcing,
> QThread-603, NORMAL): Announcement failed to 62ee 2c69 5842 0f66 5e0b
9230
> cb98 3712 0bbc fd66 at depth  2:freenet.SendFailedException: Against peer
> DSA(62ee 2c69 5842 0f66 5e0b  9230 cb98 3712 0bbc fd66) @ null - No open
> connections and can't contact node (terminal)
> Nov 4, 2003 3:19:40 AM (freenet.node.states.announcing.Announcing,
> QThread-605, NORMAL): Announcement failed to 30e8 f6ad 1382 0b65 7eff
bf79
> 55d2 2bc3 8971 982d at depth  2:freenet.SendFailedException: Against peer
> DSA(30e8 f6ad 1382 0b65 7eff  bf79 55d2 2bc3 8971 982d) @ null - No open
> connections and can't contact node (terminal)
>
>
>
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:freenet:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
AGcPAgM/TFE//@15,true
> before failure
> Nov 4, 2003 3:30:22 AM (freenet.client.GetRequestProcess, QThread-609,
> NORMAL): Event: RouteNotFound, reason: No route found for
>
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:freenet:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
AGcPAgM/TFE//@15,true
> before failure
> Nov 4, 2003 3:30:22 AM (freenet.client.GetRequestProcess, QThread-609,
> NORMAL): Event: State PREPARED reached. for
>
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:freenet:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
AGcPAgM/TFE//@15,true
> before failure
> Nov 4, 2003 3:30:26 AM (freenet.node.Main$InsertARK, QThread-605, NORMAL):
> RouteNotFound Inserting ARK
> Nov 4, 2003 3:30:31 AM (freenet.node.Main$InsertARK, QThread-605, NORMAL):
> RouteNotFound Inserting ARK
> Nov 4, 2003 3:30:36 AM (freenet.node.Main$InsertARK, QThread-605, NORMAL):
> RouteNotFound Inserting ARK
> Nov 4, 2003 3:30:41 AM (freenet.node.Main$InsertARK, QThread-605, NORMAL):
> RouteNotFound Inserting ARK
>
> By the way, what are all of the ports that i need to keep open?  I just
> configured my firewall, but freenet doesn't seem to be working.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday 05 November 2003 10:11 pm, you wrote:
> > Yuh, some connections should be open.  Although when you start it up,
there
> > won't be many connections for a bit unless you start requesting stuff.
But
> > as you say, you've tried that by trying to retrieve gpl.txt and other
> > files.
> >
> > What does the logfile say?  freenet.log
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Steven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 12:03 AM
> > Subject: [freenet-support] route not found
> >
> > > I use gentoo, and as far as i can figure out everything is pretty up
to
> >
> > date,
> >
> > > including my seednode.ref
> > >
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Re: [freenet-support] help

[Dave Hooper]

> I don't show any of those links on the web interface
> page. This may be the problem thoughWhen I click
> on the "switch to advance mode" link in the upper left
> hand corner. It says that I am in transient mode and
> cannot switch to advances.

Hm - if you're in transient mode then that's why you're not getting incoming
connections.

> If you look in the option
> windo it show that I am not in trabnsient mode...and
> when you go to the for geeks only tab and check the
> boxt o change those setting on the first tab, it
> doesn't work the transientg mode and "running 24/7
> check bixes are alwqays grayed out.

You can't actually change the 'transient' mode setting - it's detected
automatically.  If your computer is behind a firewall then you're probably
transient.  Transient means that computers on the internet cannot connect to
your computer.  This is because your firewall is not letting them!
So to fix this you will need to make sure your firewall allows traffic to
your freenet port.  If you're not running a firewall, or firewall software,
or you're connected directly to the internet through a modem, or your
network or LAN doesn't have a firewall, or gateway, or NAT or anything like
that, then it should work.  Otherwise whatever is stopping freenet receiving
incoming connections will need to be reconfigured.  Obviously external
hardware devices like these cannot be reconfigured by the Freenet software!
You'll need to configure them yourself.

> I don't know. I've heard really great things about
> Freenet project, but I'm getting kinda skeptical.

It's great, honest

> I've let frenet runn for days and it still brings
> nothing up...it either looks for a page for ever or I
> get the error that I sent you earlier.
> it seems that ther are a hell of a lot of extra
> configureations just to gert this thing to work. Why
> doesn't it configure cortrectly from the installation?

For most people and system configurations, it does.  But you still didn't
tell me what's in your logfile.  I can't really do much to help fix this if
you don't do what I ask!

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Re: [freenet-support] help

[Dave Hooper]

"Keys" in freenet are like "files" on the internet.
So the "Data not found" message you're getting is similar to a "404: Page
not found" page you might see from time to time on the internet.  There's a
bit more to it, but you can think of it like that.

Is your freenet running well?  Can you retrieve *anything* or does
*everything* come back with data not found?  How long have you been running
freenet for (it takes some hours to adapt to the network the very first time
you use it - this is for obvious reasons).

A lot of useful information can be obtained by opening the browser to
http://127.0.0.1: and clicking on "Open Connections".  Are there any
connections (Is your node able to connect to other nodes?) - if so, how many
inbound and how many outbound?
If you click on Node Status Interface (under Internals) on the freenet web
interface page, and then click on the topmost Node Reference Status link,
what does it say?  How many node references are there, what does the
Connection Attempts say, etc

As a last resort - is there anything scary looking in the logfile
(freenet.log) like big flashing ERROR messages?

d

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:28 PM
Subject: [freenet-support] help


> How do I get keys and avoid this error:
>
>   Freenet
>
>
> Couldn't Retrieve Key
>
>
>
> Network Error
>
>
>
>
> Data not found (Freenet could not find the data)
> Retrying...
>
>
> =
> John Sale
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Re: [freenet-support] route not found

[Dave Hooper]

Yuh, some connections should be open.  Although when you start it up, there
won't be many connections for a bit unless you start requesting stuff.  But
as you say, you've tried that by trying to retrieve gpl.txt and other files.

What does the logfile say?  freenet.log

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Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 12:03 AM
Subject: [freenet-support] route not found


> I use gentoo, and as far as i can figure out everything is pretty up to
date,
> including my seednode.ref

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Re: [freenet-support] why don't have freenet a connection?

[Dave Hooper]

No worries, I've seen stubbier questions.
Your .ini looks fine to me - how do you know Freenet cannot connect to the
internet?

> When I start freenet, freenet is not able to connect to the Internet.

What exactly do you mean by that?  How do you know freenet is not able to
connect to the Internet?  How many inbound connections are you getting?  How
many outbound connections are you getting?  What does the web interface page
show?  Are there any error messages in the log?  (right click the rabbit to
view the log file, or just open up freenet.log ).

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Re: [freenet-support] Difficult to understand all in English

[Dave Hooper]

Did you try
http://freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/DE/WebHome

oder
http://babel.altavista.com

You do not need to change your browser.  However IE is not very good at
retaining anonymity when browsing Freenet.  It's reasonably good, but not
'perfect'.  There are better browsers than IE when using Freenet.

d

> Hi
> can somebody helpmy to better understand this good Project but in German?
> And must or shall i better change my Browser  (now IE )? .When yes which
> and
> how? Please help!  Thanks,  Bidu
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Re: [freenet-support] JVM max-mem and the freenet.exe launcher

[Dave Hooper]

> Is there any way to get freenet.exe to launch fred with -XmxXXX? Could I
> do something in flaunch.ini maybe.

No.  Not yet!  I'll make this change because I think it's been suggested
in the past and as the Windows user base increases it's becoming more
important to improve the end-user experience (which includes tinkerers and
developers!).  I'll add a few new keys to flaunch.ini to make this
possible:

javaexec=j:\sun\java\bin\jre1.4.1.0\java.exe
jflags=-abc -def -ghi
java=javaexec

and augment freenet.exe to pass the flags to the jvm.

This also opens up the possibility of choosing (at runtime, rather than
install time) an alternative JVM (great for developers, maybe redundant
for most end users but still potentially useful), by specifying, e.g.

javaexec=j:\sun\java\bin\jre1.4.1.0\java.exe
javaexec2=j:\sun\java\bin\jre1.4.1.0\javaw.exe
javaexec3=j:\kaffe\bin\java.exe
jflags=-abc -def -ghi
jflags2=-console -ghi
jflags3=--whatever
java=javaexec2

I'll also add a configuration dialog to freenet.exe to support choosing a
JVM from the list and specifying the appropriate flags for *that* JVM 
(This also gives a better interface to specifying jvm-specific flags.)

I might leave it to the windows installer maintainers to popuplate the
list of jvms (javaexec/javaexec2/javaexec3/...) in flaunch.ini rather than
having to duplicate code and make freenet.exe search for installed jvms.


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Re: [freenet-support] Updated freenet.exe

[Dave Hooper]

> Works for me!
>
> While you've got the code editor open... :-)
> The current and previous versions of freenet.exe don't create any file
> when I choose the "Export Refs" option. Somehow the shortcut to the file
> gets created in my Win2000 recent Documents folder, but the file never
> gets created anywhere on my system (that I can discover.)
>
> -Kevin

I've tried this on my system, it works fine provided the path and filename
have no spaces in them... There is no bug in freenet.exe, it simply appears
to be a bug in fserve.exe:

fserve --export "J:\Documents and settings\My reference.ref"

should work... only it doesn't ...  however:

java -cp freenet.jar freenet.node.Main --export "J:\Documents and
settings\My reference.ref"

DOES work.

I'll take out the dependency of fserve from freenet.exe.  It simply seems
fserve.exe is crap  (who wrote that, why doesn't it respect spaces in
parameters?)  I would suggest saving your reference file to a folder without
spaces in the name until I can code a workaround that doesn't use
fserve.exe.  Or until I find the source for fserve.exe and fix that instead.

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Re: [freenet-support] ugly bug

[Dave Hooper]

>> All I need is
>> essentially a visual cue to say, yes the web interface is running, or no
>> the web interface is not running.  Yes I can connect to the FNP port, or
>> no I can't.

> Not the FNP port, the web interface port :)

No, I meant FNP port.  There's two checks, but that wasn't particularly
clear.  The visual cue has three states to indicate if the web interface
is running (which I use to imply FNP is running too, it doesn't check FNP
if  looks ok), or if FNP is ok but the web interface is down, or if
FNP is down too.

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Re: [freenet-support] ugly bug

[Dave Hooper]

> It'd really hard for fred to die (the only case I know being internal
> JVM errors) without catching the exception and at least using its
> built-in exception handler.  I'd give the developers some credit and
> try parsing logs.

It's actually easier to just probe the ports; plus it will always work -
this includes JVM errors and unhandled exceptions.  We've had these
before, remember.  I do give the developers credit, lots of it in fact
because freenet is clearly a powerful and well-design system.  But I tend
to design everything defensively.  With a background in telecoms and
embedded devices it's understandable why!

> This could be done as well, but I think much better info can be had
> from the logs.  Although...  One could execute the FCP command to get
> info from the node, and use that info for some sort of (very-) mini
> status.

True, but ... maybe later.  Or if someone else wants to augment
freenet.exe on windows, they could look into that.  All I need is
essentially a visual cue to say, yes the web interface is running, or no
the web interface is not running.  Yes I can connect to the FNP port, or
no I can't.  Any sort of FCP transaction is bigger than I need and doesn't
catch situations (should they ever arise, and I hope not but I tend to
design defensively) such as fred thinking the web interface is ok but
user-mode software is unable to connect to it.
I hope you can see my viewpoint here.  Maybe some things are trivially
obvious in certain circles but the majority Windows users generally don't
care about 'status reports' - they want to know whether it's supposed to
be working or not.  Inquisitive users will then try to find out 'why'.  UI
guideline: don't present the user with too much information when it is not
required.

Consider ICQ on Windows.  The icon provides visual cues for connection
mode, connection success, online status etc.  The icon does not say 'yeh,
well, I tried to connect but the server said '0x7a' and this means the
local ICQ client is too old and is also behind an incorrectly configured
firewall' - the icon says 'Connection failed'.
If the user wants more information, they read the ICQ connection logs
which are available from the ICQ client app.

It's just the done thing for Win apps.  The logfile is always available,
and it's just a click away from the freenet toolbar icon.  The icon status
is a no-click visual indicator of configuration success and runtime
progress.  It's impossible to display a 'mini-status' in a 16x16 icon. 
The underlying software *could* parse the logs but when it's easier not to
and there's no immediate benefits, I find it hard to see the point.  Plus
I only have a modest amount of free time to work on freenet software.

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Re: [freenet-support] ugly bug

[Dave Hooper]

Ian Clarke wrote:
> A better way might be to track the log-file itself and look for
> particular log messages.  This could be used to both deterimine when
> : is available, and also to spot common problems.

I disagree - I think we had this discussion before.  A user can review the
log-file if he/she wishes, but programmatically parsing the log-file is
not really sensible, unless we are able to guarantee the text, content and
meaning of messages will not change beyond a rigid specification.
One way to tackle this might be to add ftp-style codes to error messages,
but it still doesn't solve the issue of needing to identify when something
has *stopped* working  (if it's stopped working unexpectedly it won't be
able to log a message saying "I've stopped working unexpectedly" ...)

Probing FNP and fproxy ports is the obvious solution.

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Re: [freenet-support] ugly bug

[Dave Hooper]

> hi there,
>
> i just found a bug that fucked me up the ass for the last two days.
> if you enter a non-existent hostname in the allowedHosts field, the
> freenetnode crashes with a BadHostName exception, but does not indicate
> this
> on the system tray (windows).

See my earlier email.  I'm currently modifying the windows tray app to
probe the FNP (FreeNet Protocol) and web interface ports to see if the
freenet node is actually running.  This will visually indicate precisely
this sort of problem.
As general advice, if you're having problems with freenet and it seems
like it isn't working as it should, you can right click the tray and pick
View Logfile to see the most recent logs which should include errors and
exceptions.  Alternatively use the 'most recent exceptions' (I forget its
name) in the web interface.

Can you describe the 'crash' ?  Does the web interface actually stop
working?  Does the BadHostName exception actually not appear in
freenet.log (as shown by View Logfile) ?

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[freenet-support] Updated freenet.exe

[Dave Hooper]

If anyone wants to try an updated freenet.exe before the next windows
release, download from here:
http://www.beermex.com/@spc/freenet/latest/freenet.exe

This is NOT an installer - you'll need to manually stop and exit freenet,
download the above file (don't run it) and copy it into your Freenet
directory over the old freenet.exe, and restart freenet.

One important bugfix ensures the bunny will always load the web gateway
after a clean install (previously it would try and launch "127.0.0.1:" -
i.e. no port number - which is less than useful).  Other than that, largely
cosmetic changes to bless Windows users with the Aqua-themed bunny logo,
also animated start and stop to indicate whether or not Fred is actual
usable or in the process of loading the interfaces/shutting down.  An update
in the next few days will finish this particular feature by probing the FNP
and web interface ports to determine when fred is fully operational.

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Re: [freenet-support] Bonjour,

[Dave Hooper]

For the benefit of the English-speaking viewers, Babel has this to say:

That made twice that I install freenet, and I note a clear progression of
the audience between twice, which is good, in my opinion On the other
hand, I have evil to make function freenet, thus, Freedom engine opens, but
I can reach nothing, the images which must constitute icones seem not to be
posted. I installed the last version of java, that is to say: j2re-1 4 1
01-Windows i586-i, as well as the last version of freenet. I do not manage
either to make start Frost, L last time, it was similar, and I never
included/understood well why that had functioned very of a blow. Could you
give me a council, it must y have a problem that I N, ' did not know to
regulate at the time of initialization. Thank you jb PS: I vainly try to be
registered, but the page does not want to open.

d

PS note, I haven't check the above for even basic grammatical errors, least
of all read it yet.

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:38 PM
Subject: [freenet-support] Bonjour,


Cela fait deux fois que j'installe Freenet, et je constate une nette
progression de l'audience entre les deux fois, ce qui est bon, à mon
avis
Par contre, j'ai du mal à faire fonctionner Freenet, ainsi, le Freedom
engine s'ouvre, mais je ne peux accéder à rien, les images qui doivent
constituer des icones semblent ne pas s'afficher.
J'ai installé la dernière version de java, soit:  j2re-1 4 1 01-windows
i586-i, ainsi que la dernière version de Freenet.
Je n'arrive pas non plus à faire démarrer Frost, l dernière fois, c'était
pareil, et je n'ai jamais bien compris pourquoi cela avait fonctionné tout
d'un coup.
Pourriez vous me donner un conseil, il doit y avoir un problème que je n,'ai
pas su régler lors de l'initialisation.
Merci
jb

PS: j'essaye vainement de m'inscrire, mais la page ne veut pas s'ouvrir.


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Re: [freenet-support] reducing cpu load on a low end cpu system

[Dave Hooper]

> I have a linuxbox running freenet and frost, which is frustrating,
> because it slows down everything and freenet's java is consuming 90 - 99
> % of cpu time.

Type "man nice" and see what it says.

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Re: [freenet-support] setsocket

[Dave Hooper]

I suggest you go to http://freenetproject.org and tell us, in all
seriousness, what your question has to do with freenetproject...  I think
you probably just sent your question to the wrong list (sorry).

d

- Original Message -
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:57 AM
Subject: [freenet-support] setsocket


Hi, I am hoping someone can help me with my problem
I am running windows 98SE and when i try to ftp i get the following error
message:
ESOCKET EXCEPTION ERROR 10038
IN FUNCTION SETSOCKOPT (SO_LINGER)
SOCKET OPERATION ON NON-SOCKET
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Re: [freenet-support] Still not announcing..

[Dave Hooper]

> how do i get off mailing list have been trying for months nobody cares.
> please answer me if you can without attachment

Haven't been trying very hard have you.  It's easy and people have already
replied to you telling you how.  Either follow the instructions in your
mail headers, or if you don't know how to do that (or even if you don't
know what that means), try going to
 and enter your
email address in the box at the bottom (don't forget to scroll the page
down to the very bottom or you'll enter your email address in the wrong
box and end up subscribing again).

You must use the same email address you used to subscribe to the mailing
list.  According to
 it is
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]".

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Re: [freenet-support] questions

[Dave Hooper]

> I am a newbie who has just set up a permanent node, and I'm getting
> abysmal results trying to access freesites.  The few attempts that
> succeed take up to an hour to load, and most sites never come back at
> all.  Is this performance normal?

... Yes ...  Although an hour seems excessive.  For example, the more
popular freesites (e.g. those which are nearer the top of the page at The
Freedom Engine) should be retrievable in a matter of minutes or less,
depending on connectivity.

> I've heard conflicting reports about
> how to improve performance, from adding every site you've ever seen to
> your seedrefs file to cleaning out your seedrefs file.  What's the deal
> on improving performance?  Is it simply a matter of time?

There's no real way to get an immediate-oxygen-hit boost to your
performance.  Time is the best way, especially if you have a permanent
node.  Just try retrieving as many different things as you can for now, as
your node will use this to find out about the other Freenet nodes in its
neighbourhood and so improve routing over time.

> I expect my IP address to change soon?  What effect will this have on my
> node?  Will I need to blast all the data and do a fresh install, or can
> I move the working node to the new address?

You don't need to change any of the software.  You can use the rabbit's
Configure option (under Windows) or edit freenet.conf / freenet.ini to set
a new IP address.  Then stop and restart Freenet.  You won't lose any data
in your freenet data store.  In fact, in the not-too-distant future, you
won't even need to change anything - Freenet will automatically notice
that your IP address has changed and reconfigure itself accordingly.

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Re: [freenet-support] ????????????????????????????????W H A T N O W????????????????????????????

[Dave Hooper]

> now
> So ? where to go from here ???
> EX. What meanes whit "KEY"
> "KEY   ´  S" ?
> globalRequestsPerHour: 0.0 =What
> i know that 127.0.0.1 is my own maskin but so what
> AAHA! experiens

Observe that I have edited your original message to better clarify the
content to other [EMAIL PROTECTED] listers.

If you don't know what Freenet is, or how it works, then YOU are not ready
for IT.  You would be wrong to say that Freenet isn't ready for the public
because you cannot use it.  You do not need to be 'qualified' in order to
use Freenet.  However, although we admit that our user documentation is
not very clear (and we are working on this), this is no reason to not
bother reading any of it!

But to give you the benefit of the doubt, here's some very basic
information about Freenet, which you could have obtained yourself, by
reading the Freenet documentation at www.freenetproject.org.  To get the
points across, I've decided to oversimplify things somewhat, but you
should get the general idea.

1.  Freenet runs constantly, not just "when you need it".  If freenet
doesn't run constantly it won't work.  Ok, so you don't have to keep your
computer on all the time, because sometimes this is impractical.  But
ideally, you should!

2.  When you run Freenet, not only does it enable you to view information
on Freenet, it allows OTHER PEOPLE to get access to the information.  This
is not the same as hacking - nobody can find out what information you are
viewing on Freenet.  By running Freenet, you also help OTHER people to run
Freenet.  Think of it as file sharing, but the files you're sharing can be
web pages, etc.  The more people sharing the files, the better Freenet
runs.  So the more people running it, and the longer it runs for, the
better it becomes.

3.  When Freenet is running, and you double click on the rabbit icon, a
web page will appear.  This allows you to browse Freenet through your web
browser.  There are many ways to access information on Freenet, but some
people find using the web browser is easiest.

4.  Information is stored in Freenet using a "KEY".  Think of the KEY as a
postal address.  Except instead of saying "Mr. Dumbass, Zoovrooselchester"
it says "CHK@[EMAIL PROTECTED]" or something.

5.  If you don't know the KEY of something in Freenet, then you can't
access it.  In the same way that, if you don't know someone's postal
address, you can't send them a letter.

6.  To find the KEY for something you want in freenet, you can ask on
newsgroups, on IRC channels, etc.  There are several 'secure, anonymous'
communication mechanisms that run on Freenet, e.g. Frost .  Do a search on
google if you want to find out more about this sort of thing.

7.  As a starting point, in order to save you some time and effort trying
to find some Freenet keys, click on the "Freedom Engine" link in the web
page that appears in your web browser (after you've double clicked on the
rabbit).  The Freedom Engine is a web site within Freenet (a "freesite"),
that links to many (hundreds?) of other freesites.


Good luck and happy hunting.  By the way,  READ THE FUCKING DOCUMENTATION
NEXT TIME.  I thank you.

dave

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Re: [freenet-support] My password?

[Dave Hooper]

Get on what, with what passwords?  What are you talking about?
I understood the first bit - you downloaded freenet from
www.freenetproject.org .  And then you forgot your password?  Password for
what?  Internet access?  How can we here possibly help you with that?

d

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 9:18 PM
Subject: [freenet-support] My password?


I spent two hours donloading this program late last nighht and now I cannot
get on via the only passwords I would have used
What now?
SusanA


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Re: [freenet-support] temp files

[Dave Hooper]

> >  The recent mention of the temp directory prompted me to go look
> > to see what was in there.  I found 1200 files totaling 125meg
> >
> > Aren't these supposed to be being deleted when freenet is
> > done with them?
>
> Not necessarily.

Are you sure?  What is the *point* if temporary files if they're not
temporary? :-)   Freenet uses temporary files for numerous reasons but the
bottom line has to always be, when it's no longer needed, it should be
deleted.  Or reused.  Or whatever.

Quick important question though ... when the original poster (Joel M.
Baldwin) reported looking in the temp directory, I assume the refence was to
the freenet "store_n/temp" folder rather than /tmp or C:\Temp or
something generic ...

Temporary files accumulating in store_n/temp without being deleted
(runaway temp files) is a serious error and should be raised to the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list.  Temporary files accumulating
elsewhere is very unlikely to be a freenet problem and more likely to be a
JVM problem, or something completely unrelated (e.g. Microsoft Word,
whatever)

> Some Unix implementations clear /tmp on startup, some
> don't.  Are you sure all the files in there were created by Freenet?
> Whatever OS you're running can be set easily to clear out any and all
> temporary directories on system boot.

This is a good point, but if freenet is creating runaway temp files it is
only an appropriate workaround if you're prepared to regularly
reboot/restart the OS.

> have to do this on my Win2K box
> under the 'Documents and Settings' dir, or IE will cache the entire
> Internet on my hard drive.

Personally I would quite like IE to cache the entire Internet on my hard
drive. :-)

Seriously though, and slightly off-topic, IE's cache doesn't use temporary
files (as such), plus it has a prescribed upper-limit maximum size which you
can set.  IE caching is a good thing, but has nothing to do with the
temporary files that freenet may generate.  If you don't want IE to cache
anything, reduce its cache to zero.  If you don't want it to take up space
in your system partition, simply moves IEs cache elsewhere.  Check your IE
properties.  You shouldn't ever need to change the properties of Documents
And Settings just to fix an IE configuration.


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Re: [freenet-support] help!

[Dave Hooper]

> i've installed Freenet 0.5.0.7-1 , and i've installed Java, but when i
play Freenet,
> after few seconds the icon on the taskbar gives me error, and appaer this
> words: "freenet in having problems, check freenet.log.

This will normally only happen if you haven't installed Java correctly, or
if you installed Freenet before you installed Java.  You should install
Java, THEN Freenet.  You could try just uninstalling then reinstalling
Freenet.  If that doesn't work, reinstall Java then reinstall Freenet.  If
that still doesn't work, come back.

"Freenet.log" is a file in your freenet installation directory (e.g.
"C:\Program Files\Freenet\Freenet.log" or whichever folder you installed
Freenet into), it might contain useful information.

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Re: [freenet-support] Frost crash

[Dave Hooper]

> I tried re-installing frost, but that didn't help.
> Any suggestions?

Try asking the Frost developers.  This is the Freenet support mailing list.

http://jtcfrost.sourceforge.net/contact.html

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Re: [freenet-support] (no subject)

[Dave Hooper]

>  please i need help closing this program could you guide me thru this
> thank
> you

Simple.  In the top-right corner of Incredimail, click the X button. 
Alternatively go to Add/Remove Programs and uninstall "Incredimail".

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Re: [freenet-support] 539 won't start and now 537 won't restart either :(

[Dave Hooper]

> Dec 16, 2002 8:18:45 AM (freenet.node.Main, main): loading routing table
> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.OutOfMemoryError
>
> Anyone got any ideas? I have a permanent node with a 30GB datastore...
>
> :GeckoX

Someone else posted a similar (identical?) problem.  I'd hazard a guess
that your routing table is somehow corrupt.  Obviously this shouldn't
happen and by way of course Freenet should be able to identify this rather
than just die.  Have you tried stopping the node, making a backup of your
routing table files, deleting them, and restarting the node?

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Re: [freenet-support] There could be an error in start-freenet.sh ?

[Dave Hooper]

> (sun should have changed it, I know)

Not necessarily ...

> I changed in "start-freenet.sh" the line
> nice -n 10 -- java $JAVA_ARGS freenet.node.Main "$@" &
> by
> nice -n 10 -- /usr/java/j2re1.4.0_03/bin/java $JAVA_ARGS freenet.node.Main
> "$@" &

... so the only thing you changed was the path to java?  You'll probably
find yourself hitting the problem somewhere down the line with someone
else's (anyone else's) scripts.  You'll also come across the problem
*again* if you ever install a different jre (e.g. if you install
j2re1.4.0_04 you'll have to change the script all over again to point to
the new jre)

Better to just link it with
ln /usr/bin/java /usr/java/j2re1.4.0_03/bin/java

And put back the original start-freenet.sh!

If you ever change your jre just update the link with
ln /usr/bin/java /where/is/your/bin/java

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Re: [freenet-support] wireless network problem

[Dave Hooper]

> I am trying to run a node on my computer.  It works just fine on my dads,
> but not on mine.  I have it setup on my router to send all ports to my
> computer, and I got other programs too work but I still can't use Freenet
> message boards.

On your computer, is the freenet node running at all?  If Freenet isn't
installed or configured correctly, then you won't be able to use Freenet
message boards.  Can you use the Freenet Web Interface ok?
Try double-clicking on the rabbit icon in the bottom left corner (assuming
you're using Windows) or alternatively fire up a web browser window and
point it at http://127.0.0.1:

Additionally, when you try using Freenet message boards (I assume you've
tried Frost), what *actually* happens?   When you load Frost is there an
error message?  Does the Frost main screen appear?  Do the board lists
appear?  When you click on a boardname and click on the download icon,
does it do anything?  Does searching work?  (try "mp3" as a search term as
it is certain to find something).

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Re: [freenet-support] freenet mailbox is blocked

[Dave Hooper]

>Dear Sir,
>since 2-3 days I read a message on freenet website/Email-office that
>some activities are under way and it will shortly be possible again to
>get/read e-mail over freenet.

"Sorry, Wrong Number.  Bzzzt"

I think you must be mistaken.  This is not the mailing list for FreeNet
ISP.  It is not the mailing list for FreeNet, Inc.  It is also not the
mailing list for any other thing, EXCEPT "The Freenet Project", a not-for-
profit organisation that works to develop an anonymous, decentralised,
secure information sharing system known as "Freenet".
I suspect you've sent an email to the wrong mailing list without checking
properly first.  Whoever it is that handles your email, it isn't us, we
have nothing to do with it, you've sent an email to completely, completely
the wrong people.  Check http://www.freenetproject.org if you don't believe
me.  The Freenet Project is nothing to do with email.  Sorry.  Try again,
looking in your software manuals or whatever to find the correct company
next time.

>How could I further/promote this process  in order to read the new
>e-mails of the last days ? As journalist I am in a hurry.
>Best wishes,
>Edward Gloeckner, Berlin

More haste, less speed.  Send an email to the correct company, or maybe
even give them a call.  It wouldn't hurt.

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Re: [freenet-support] Specifying Browser For Freenet

[Dave Hooper]

> There may be a way to change the destination of 
> the "gateway" item, but this likely to be harder.

No, there isn't.
I'll change this in the very near future though, it's a sensible idea.

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Re: [freenet-support] Australian Setup

[Dave Hooper]

> Can I connect to Freenet through an Australian setup?
> Thank you,

Does your Australian setup include a connection to the Internet?

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Re: [freenet-support] 0.504 Error on Kaffe, a backtrace

[Dave Hooper]

> Nov 1, 2002 8:33:44 AM (freenet.node.Main, main): WORKAROUND: Ignoring
> obsolete fproxy.* lines in freenet.conf/ini. You can remove them.
> Nov 1, 2002 8:33:44 AM (freenet.node.Main, main): WORKAROUND: Ignoring
> obsolete nodestatus.* lines in freenet.conf/ini. You can remove them.

These are ok,

> Nov 1, 2002 8:33:57 AM (freenet.node.Main, main): Unexpected Exception:
> java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException
> java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException
>   at java.lang.Long.toString(Long.java:98)
>   at java.math.BigInteger.toString(BigInteger.java:2545)

Try a different version of Kaffe (anyone know the minimum recommended
working version of Kaffe for freenet?).  That will be a jvm bug.

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Re: [freenet-support] idea for wininstaller

[Dave Hooper]

>> but the tray utility appears almost instantly, it would be neat not to
>>  display the red rabbit while the node is loading but the red rabbit
>> with  the grean arrow on it.
>>
>> Also a text tip "freenet is loading, please wait..." would prevent
>> ultra-newbies to immediately try and click on it.
>
> These are good suggestions.  But the problem is that the freenet.log
> never actually says WHEN the node is ready.  It says "Starting
> interfaces" but even then the interfaces aren't actually startED.
> They're just startING.  The node would have to say "All interfaces are
> now started.  Node is ready." or something similar in order for this to
> be really useful.  And I'm not even sure that's possible
> (you'd have to ask someone who speaks Java).

It's possible, because the rabbit icon doesn't actually read freenet.log
anyway.  It could try talking to the node and change icon when it's clear
that freenet or the web interface are up and running.  I'll work on this as
soon as I can because it's a really good idea (one I had myself about a
year ago but never got round to implementing!)

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Re: [freenet-support] Nothing but DNFs

[Dave Hooper]

> I also have a complaint to whoever said that 100
> idling threads is harmless.
> Not on windows it isn't, certainly not in java on
> windows.  Threads are rpocesses and have horrible
> overhead.

Threads are not processes ... they're threads.  If you look in Windows Task
Manager, for example, and click on the processes tab, you don't see 100+
freenet process.  You do see one javaw.exe process and, if you do "View /
Select Columns..." and tick Thread count, you'll see it has an ugly
buttload of threads.

Unfortunately, as far as I'm aware, all the cool thread / fiber / io
completion management available in win32 isn't accessible from Java (unless
someone can point me to documentary evidence to the contrary that states
clearly the particular (portable) Java code needed to set up a Win32
IOCompletionPort)

Threads on Java on Windows have horrible overhead but, as I see it, that's
the JVM's fault, and not really a fault of Java itself, and certainly not a
fault of the freenet project.  But I agree that it does suck.

A native Win32 application can happily spawn 100+ threads and not get
bogged down in its own underwear.  But for I/O management, having millions
of most-likely-idle threads is NOT the way to go (certainly on Win32
anyway, because there's far better ways to do things).

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Re: [freenet-support] windows 0.5.0.4 monolithic installer updated

[Dave Hooper]

> * make it so that nodeconf can change every option

I'm part-way through adding an "all settings" option, like the
current "unknown settings" option, to the Geek page.
Ultimately I'd like to see a basic nodeconfig app with very little
intelligence and some support files to dynamically create the gui - this
way, when the devs change / add / reimplement the config file parameters we
don't have to rewrite chunks of nodeconfig each time...
I'd use XML but I think you probably knew I was going to say that.

> * have nodeconf just edit the config in place (effectively, have it
> treat %'s and not have to be manually rewritten)

This will just fall into place with my "all settings" modification -
nodeconfig reads in the entire config file into the "all settings" page,
but then anything else you *change* on the other pages updates the "all
settings" values too.  Then on file-write the config file and the contents
of the "all settings" array are compared and written, using a temporary
config file which is then renamed as a final step. (It's a shame there
isn't an atomic "FileSwap" command on Win32)

> * build in search for fproxy.*, nodeinfo.*, and nodestatus.* so that we
> can save those options if any

Not sure what you mean - again this is probably transparently supported
by "all settings".

> * fix import/export ref on bunny

Does it still not work?  Man, I suck.  I think it should work if you
first "Stop Freenet" and then try.  Export Ref definitely works (worked) on
mine last time I tried it (0.4x something, but the bunny app has hardly
changed since 0.3x)

> * popup window when # of threads is changed to equal 0

Also add a checkbox to allow "FastThreadFactory" which internally negates
the number of threads on file write?  So that we don't need to allow the
#threads box to take negative values.

> * make windows installer using windows installer.

Yes, definitely.

> * have pathfind buttons on nodeconfig/normal work

What's wrong with them? (Can't try it here at work, unfortunately)

> * create directories inside of directories  in createthread.c
> (freenet.exe)

??  What's this mean?  I don't remember a createthread.c

> * Popup window when nodeconfig is trying to get references

I thought Nodeconfig already did this when you download refs?

> * rewrite in c++ so I don't have to deal with java sh*t.

:-)   how's whiterose coming along?
Actually in practice this is *never* going to happen - you'll just have to
stick with it!

> * add update option on systray app

which will do what, exactly?  Ideally it would
a)  Prompt you whether you want the latest stable, development, or unstable
release
b)  Prompt you for you preferred mirror site
c)  Download new NodeConfig.exe from freenetproject.org or mirror
d)  Download appropriate freenet.jar and freenet-ext.jar from
freenetproject.org or mirror
e)  Not change any conf settings
f)  Load NodeConfig which will automatically transform the previous conf
settings to the new node version, using an appropriate script.

Or is this exactly what the updating installer already does?

> * allow for negative # of threads (add checkbox. Give big warning when
> set since FastThreadFactory = evil)

Heh.  Didn't read that far down :-)

> * Anything else?

Finally get round to implementing:

a)  Bunny icon changes if fproxy not available (already code to do this,
not finished, my bad).  When fproxy becomes available, bunny goes to
regular white'n'red icon that we all know and love

b)  Bunny icon changes if external network connection is unavailable
(already some code to do this too, again not finished, my bad).  Probably
implemented using pings to, or opening TCP connections with, well-known
sites but this could be regarded at best as an anti-privacy move or at
worst as a denial of service attack, so also allow the user to specify
which sites to ping, or to try TCP connections with.

c)  Add option to hide bunny icon.  Then loading freenet from the shortcut
icon / desktop / start menu / whatever will make the bunny icon reappear.
(Loading freenet.exe twice does NOT make two copies load anyway - in fact I
believe loading freenet after it's already running will simply
automatically fire up a Freenet Web Interface in a new browser window)


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Re: [freenet-support] my mp3's

[Dave Hooper]

> so this brings in the next question.
> Why he didn't make a backup of his beloved data?
> Keeping data on the HD for too much time is always a hazard.

That's not really the issue here - for all you know he may have just
finished recovering all of those thousands of files from backup ONTO his
HD - maybe it even took several hours to recover all those files to the HD -
 and the first thing Freenet did is delete them all.

Maybe the mp3s in question were ones he'd painstakingly ripped from his own
CD collection?  (Crazy, I know, but it happens.  Just because he has
thousands of mp3s doesn't mean they're pirated downloads).  If he had the
original CDs he wouldn't bother making a backup I expect, because he could
always rerip them.  But to lose them all, that's a lot of time and effort
wasted and a lot more time and effort to rerip them all again.

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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet

[Dave Hooper]

>>READ THE FUCKING DOCUMENTATION YOU FUCKING MORON.

> That should be
> READ THE FUCKING DOCUMENTATION YOU FUCKING LITTLE MORON

or maybe simply
YOU FUCKING MORON

or, at the other end of the scale,
READ THE FUCKING DOCUMENTATION YOU FUCKING TWO-HEADED SPACE ALIEN MORON

> BTW What is the precise definition of /.ing, see I'm old so soon
> as you're ready to port to 6502, Z80 machine code or Assembler H

/.ing is simply when a website (or some thing advertised by or available
from a website) gets inundated with literally thousands of requests in what
is often a relatively or unusually short space of time.  slashdot.org
(which I'm sure you've visited by now) has greater network bandwidth than
many of the sites it links to.  A classic example from the other day was
the guy who fitted a 1.4GHz Pentium III to his Commodore SX-64.  I followed
the link from slashdot's main page to the guys homepage, and found a simple
page reading
"Fuck you slashdot.  The server this site is hosted on has just a 384Kbps
upstream link and is now completely crippled." or words to that effect.

If you want a hand porting Freenet node source to Z80 assembly I'm more
than willing to give you a hand.

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Re: [freenet-support] my mp3's

[Dave Hooper]

> I downloaded your stinking Freenet this morning and installed it with
> the  Node Data store path & filename at the folder with al my mp3's
> (around 1500  mp3's). After that I had to go away and when I came back,
> all my f*cking  mp3's were gone...I really hope that they still are
> somewhere at my computer  :) and that you can tell me where and how I
> get them back.

If you had read the documentation you would know that a Freenet datastore
is not the same as a directory full of mp3s.
Freenet will create its OWN files in the data store.  To do this it will
delete the contents of the data store first.

This is why you should create a NEW directory for your Freenet datastore,
not use an existing one!

Unfortunately there is nothing you can do to get your files back - you told
Freenet to use the C:\My Files directory (or wherever you kept your mp3s)
and so Freenet turned that directory into a Freenet datastore!

The next release of Freenet will bring up a HUGE message saying "THIS
DIRECTORY IS NOT EMPTY.  ARE YOU SURE?  CLICKING YES WILL DELETE EVERYTHING
IN THIS DIRECTORY SO YOU'D BETTER BE SURE" to try and prevent this
happening in the future.

Next time you would be advised to read the documentation before just going
ahead and doing something.

Someone once wrote to Microsoft technical support saying "I just typed
Format C: /U and now all my files have gone.  What can I do to get them
back?" and they didn't even get a reply so think yourself lucky.


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Re: [freenet-support] Cross site scripting ...

[Dave Hooper]

Hmm, that's EXACTLY what my node says before the so-called fix.  And I've
just reproduced EXACTLY the same behaviour again on the current
freenet-latest.jar.  However it DOES appear to be fixed in the latest
freenet-unstable-latest.jar  (603 I believe)
Someone care to rerelease the 5xx branch with the fix please?

d

- Original Message -
> Just updated to 527 and this is still vulnerable. Here's the HTML output I
get
> for going to the URL below:
[snip]


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Re: [freenet-support] Cross site scripting ...

[Dave Hooper]

> the following executes custom html.
>
> http://127.0.0.1:/%3Cscript%3Edocument.write('test');%3C/script%3E

True - for example :
http://127.0.0.1:/%3Cscript%3Edocument.write('test1%3cH1%3etest2%3c/H1%3
e');%3C/script%3E
The code that displays the "Unexpected key" page should really HTMLise the
string in case it contains < > " ' © etc symbols, otherwise such symbols
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Re: [freenet-support] Cross site scripting ...

[Dave Hooper]

> the following executes custom html.
>
> http://127.0.0.1:/%3Cscript%3Edocument.write('test');%3C/script%3E

True - for example :
http://127.0.0.1:/%3Cscript%3Edocument.write('test1%3cH1%3etest2%3c/H1%3
e');%3C/script%3E
The code that displays the "Unexpected key" page should really HTMLise the
string in case it contains < > " ' © etc symbols, otherwise such symbols
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet

[Dave Hooper]

Now if you'll calm down... you can read my comments or scroll to the bottom
for the 'summarised' answer.


> I wanted to write and tell you how displeased I am with your software.
> I installed it and it is cumbersome to use.  It is being touted as a
> P2P app.

NOT BY US.  You have been, ehm, 'misinformed'.

> This does not appear to be the case.  Never could figure it
> out.  I made the BIG mistake of setting my directory to the "My Shared
> Folder" for Kazaa.

Were you given a warning saying "The folder you have selected is not empty"
or similar?  You should have been.  If not this is a bug.  However if you
had understood properly what Freenet was (e.g. read the documentation), you
would have realised that putting your Freenet datastore inside your "My
Shared Folder" was a really silly thing to do.

> Well, when I applied that option, I would assume
> that all these FUCKING folders your program created moved all my data
> into these folders (i.e. a0, a1 etc).

Assume?  Did you think of actually checking rather than assuming?  What
might have happened is that Freenet initially moved the files into one of
the folders because it didn't know what else to do with them  (YOU YOURSELF
had told it to use the My Shared Folder, after all).

> Well, I opened a few of those
> folders after uninstalling your prgram to find empty folders.  Well, I
> just went ahead and deleted all those folders that your program created
> only to find out a minute later that I had deleted 15 FUCKING GIGS of
> data.

Ok, so you deleted empty folders, and lost 15 gigabytes of data?
Clearly you didn't even check to see if those folders were empty.  Empty
folders don't contain data, remember that?
If you right-click a folder in Windows, it will tell you
a)  How many files are in it
b)  How much data (in megabytes, gigabytes, etc) is in there

If you had BOTHERED TO DO THAT (see, I can shout too), then you would KNOW
the folders were not empty.

> I was able to restore about 1 gig.  A small smattering of the
> files I had.

Well caught.

I have no idea what actually happened in your case, but I can assure that
the files in your "My Shared Folder" in Kazaa will NOT have been deleted by
Freenet.  They may have been moved, and if this is the case it is
potentially a bug.
What it sounds like happened, is that your 15Gigs of Kazaa'd files were
still all there - although Freenet had perhaps moved them into a different
folder - and when you deleted all the folders you deleted them as well.

You REALLY REALLY should check what you're deleting before you delete it.

> I am so FUCKING PISSED off at you and your software.

Seems to me like you just deleted a bunch of files you wanted to keep and
just lashed out at the first people you came across.  There's nothing we
can do about it.  I'm very sorry that you deleted stuff you wanted to keep,
but that's hardly my fault.

> I will spread the word that people should not use this software and the
> problems it has.  FUCK YOU  - FUCK YOUR PROGRAM AND FUCK ALL THOSE
> LITTLE FOLDERS.

Feel free to spread the word but I very much doubt anything you say would
be directly attributed to Freenet.

Freenet is NOT a "P2P" system (although it can be used as one).
If you delete a load of directories without checking what's in them, are
you really surprised you lost a load of data?

Freenet's datastore is NOT the same as "My Shared Files".  It is impossible
to find out what is in your datastore, by design (this is to ensure
privacy, untraceability, anonymity, etc).  If Freenet simply used your "My
Shared Files" folder, you would know exactly what was in your datastore,
and other people could effectively trace information back to YOU and
potentially threaten legal action.
If you just wanted to use your "My Shared Files" folder, stick to using
Kazaa.
Freenet uses its own system, which is DIFFERENT, because Freenet IS NOT
KAZAA.

The calm answer is:
If you want to try again
a) Check your facts - Freenet is not a P2P system (who told you that?)
b) Put your Freenet data store in a separate folder (e.g. C:\Freenet or
G:\Program Files\Freenet\Store or whatever)
c) Don't put your Freenet data store in My Shared Folder  (if you want you
could put it into a subdirectory like My Shared Folder\Freenet or My Shared
Folder\DataStore or similar, but it really doesn't make sense to share a
Freenet data store since it will only actually work on your own computer,
and for anyone else to access it both you and they must be running Freenet)

The less calm answer is:
Next time I accidentally delete some files I didn't mean to, I'm going to
email you and say FUCK YOU, see how you like it.

dave
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Re: [freenet-support] l anglais et moi

[Dave Hooper]

> j ai bien mon petit lapin mais il est barre j ai du me planter a l
> installe et en anglais je suis nul avez vous des explications d
> installation en français merci Philippe

Le lapin a besoin de l'aide!
Pour des explications en français, allez à
http://freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/FR/WebHome
Nous sommes désolés, cet website n'est pas aussi à jour que l'un en anglais
mais je suis sûr que vous trouverez quelques informations utiles!

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Re: [freenet-support] Re: [freenet-chat] slightly off topic: fat32 methods of keeping my store folder size

[Dave Hooper]

> this was my orginal plan, and i was posting to find out if anyone knew
> how to enable a compressed directory in win2k :)  but now i think i'll
> probably go with a separate 2 gig fat32 partition... that is if i can
> figure out how to tweak a fat32 to have smaller blocks.

To specify cluster size for a fat32 partition use
format x: /FS:FAT32 /A:clustersize
where x: is the driveletter.
Naturally, the clustersize applies to the entire partition.

To compress a directory tree in win2k you *must* either use an NTFS
partition or use compression software such as DriveSpace, zipmagic, etc.
that is compatible with FAT32.

Just noticed, on the help for the format command, there is a /C option which
states "Files created on the new volume will be compressed by default" - I
guess this only applies to NTFS but it might be worth giving it a go on a
FAT32 drive to see what happens!

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Re: [freenet-support] Re: [freenet-chat] slightly off topic: fat32 methods of keeping my store folder size

[Dave Hooper]

> The negative effects are when you need to store large files,
> essentially the file needs to be broken up into smaller chunks, and so
takes
> longer to store/retrieve. I don't think the size of your FAT table matters
> anymore, way back when it was limited and so you were limited by disk size
> vs cluster size vs FAT table size.
>
> Or something like that.

Something like that.  The three FAT addressing schemes I know of in wide use
are FAT12, FAT16 and FAT32 which provide for 2^12, 2^16 and 2^32 clusters
(actually I think it's 2^12-64, 2^16-64 or 2^32-256, or something crazy
anyway).  FAT32 is only 'marginally' slower than FAT16 in practice, and
FAT32 is measurably *faster* than NTFS.
Generally you wouuld not want to use anything less than FAT32 for a freenet
datastore, and if you want a freenet datastore > 2GB you will need to use
FAT32, because the largest cluster size allowed by FAT12 and FAT16 is 32768
bytes.  The clincher is obviously that not all operating systems support
FAT32 (e.g. Windows NT does not "out of the can", but www.sysinternals.com
have a FAT32 driver for NT)

Not that this should make a big difference - if you're planning to use your
datastore in both linux and windows then any old FAT partition should do -
you may run into problems with an NTFS partition (I don't know how reliable
the NTFS support is in linux).

If you were planning to use Windows 2000 or XP exclusively, I might suggest
using a compressed directory as your freenet datastore - not because of the
disk space this saves (it would save very little, probably - see end of
message), but because the compressed clusters are shared within the
directory tree so only the last cluster allocated to the directory tree has
'wasted' space at the end.  Ideal if you care about space but don't care so
much about extra processing time.  Although obviously an NTFSv5 feature only
(and so not applicable to the original fat32 posting)

"OS-level" compressing of directory trees in pre-NTFSv5 operating systems
(i.e. before Windows 2000) can be achieved by using commercial software like
www.zipmagic.com/zipmagic, which (among other things) makes zip files appear
to the operating system as regular 'explorable' folders, or by using the
built-in DriveSpace / DoubleSpace utilities to set up a virtual compressed
drive.  Actually I would make a personal recommendation for zipmagic, it
really is rather good, and I'm sure there must be a less expensive
alternative available


On my NTFS partition, my store currently has about 3% wasted space from
cluster allocation.  Setting the NTFS Compress flag shrinks it so that my
store uses only .5% more space 'on disk' .  (Yes - the compressed datastore
still uses more than the 'on paper' amount of disk space, mainly due to the
encrypted nature of the datastore and its inherent incompressibility coupled
with the still necessary cluster allocation)
I would therefore expect similar results under FAT32 - that is, a .zip
datastore with zipmagic or similar using only about .5% more space than the
datastore size on paper.  However that is on likely to be true if you can
keep the .zip file fragments together...  I don't know what zipmagic's
fragmentation guarantees are, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were no
guarantees whatsoever.

It is possible to preallocate files under NTFS using tools such as Contig
(www.sysinternals.com) to ensure that they do not fragment - however this
only really works in practice for files which do not grow and shrink
unpredictably, such as files which are written to rarely but read often.
I'm guessing such a tool would be of only limited value for a freenet
datastore.  I have no idea if comparable utilities are available for use
with FAT partitions.

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Re: [freenet-support] mirror

[Dave Hooper]

> Hello I was going to install your program but unsure as to want it
> means to select a mirror? I live on the west coast ,do I pick a city
> close to me? thank you

Essentially, yes.  A "mirror" is basically a place that stores files.
Having files stored on several different mirrors achieves two things:
a)  the mirror servers don't get as heavily loaded, maximising your chance
of being able to download the file without getting a "busy" or "try again
later" message
b)  if you pick a mirror server closer to you the file is more likely to
download quickly.

> also can i mail in a donation?

Freenet supports donations either by paypal or by mailed-in cheque
(check).  The details are available at http://www.freenetproject.org and
clicking on "Donate!" on the far left hand side near the top.

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Re: [freenet-support] usability

[Dave Hooper]

> Hi, I downloaded freenet yesterday and have one big comment about
usability.
>
> It appears that I'm not connected to the freenet network.  Is there
something I have to do?  I
> didn't find anything on the FAQ and would have thought this would have
been the most
> asked question about use.

If you've installed the freenet software (known as a "freenet node"), and it
is running, then you are "connected to the freenet network". Actually it's
worth pointing out that there is no "freenet network" as such and that
freenet operates directly over the existing internet infrastructure.  If you
are running a freenet node then this means you are able to insert data into
and retrieve data from freenet.  This is achieved by your freenet node
contacting other freenet nodes.  Your node will only contact other nodes
directly if you request to retrieve data from freenet.

As an example starting point, if you fire up a web browser and point it to
http://localhost:  (or in windows double clicking on the rabbit icon
will do this automatically for you), and scroll to the bottom of the page
you will see some 'bookmarks'.   Each of these links takes you to a webpage
stored within freenet (you will see the links have addresses like
"http://127.0.0.1:/SSK%40rBjVda8pC-Kq04jUurIAb8IzAGcPAgM/TFE//"; - this
is what a browser uses to access data from freenet, every piece of data in
freenet is uniquely identified by what's known as a 'key' - you can think of
it as an address within freenet.  In the above case the freenet key is the
"SSK%40rBjVda8pC-Kq04jUurIAb8IzAGcPAgM/TFE//" part)

One of these bookmarks takes you to "The Freedom Engine", a website within
freenet (a "freesite") that itself contains links to lots of other
freesites.  You can start browsing for things from there.

Alternatively if you already know the freenet key for the information you
are looking for, you can enter it into the box labelled "Request Freesite by
URI" on the initial gateway page when you first fired up the webpage.

> The open connections page on the web interface is not listing connections.
I'm an advanced
> computer user and have no idea how to get started using freenet.

If the software's running, you can start using freenet!
You'll only see *active* connections on the "open connections" page - active
connections are due to you requesting data from freenet, or from other
freenet nodes contacting your node.  If you've only just installed your
freenet software, other freenet nodes will not yet know about the existence
of yours so will not try contacting you!  By requesting data from freenet,
other freenet nodes get to know about your nodes existence and you should
start seeing connections being formed.
You can easily request data from freenet without any 'open connections' -
requesting the data will naturally open up connections as required.

>  E.g. An example key to search for should be given so that I can download
something,
> anything, to see if it works.

Good thinking.  An example key is
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> I think freenet is a great idea.  If you want it to take off users should
be able to know that
> they are connected to the freenet network and be able to try and download
something right
> after installation.

That's the intention behind the "bookmarks" links on the "Freenet: Web
Interface" page.  Informing users that they are "connected to the freenet
network" is more about straightening a user misconception.  If the Web
Interface page loads, and one or the freesites loads if you click on its
bookmark link, then freenet is up and running.

Hope this all helps,

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Re: [freenet-support] NodeConfig, missing .dll error

[Dave Hooper]

> > I'll bet money it doesn't say "please distribute our dlls as .zip files
and ask the end
> > users to unzip them into the windows partition" anywhere)
>
> You can hate microsoft for the way they do things, even it is the way they
> intended them to be done.

It isn't the way microsoft intends things to be done, and that was kinda my
point.
Seriously, I'm not kidding.  And this is important:
** IF YOU WANT TO RELEASE SOFTWARE BUILT WITH MSVC THEN YOU MUST SHIP THE
CORE SUPPORT DLLS THE WAY MICROSOFT WANTS YOU TO **
Why?  Because if you don't the reference counts are not going to be updated
in the registry.  And suppose you then install some software that DOES
maintain the reference counts correctly.  If it happens to install the same
named DLL, and you subsequently uninstall that application, the uninstaller
can (justifiably) remove the DLL from the system.

This is a very, very real issue when installing a 'new' core DLL such as a
.NET or MSVC7 support library, as there is a low chance of the end user
already having this file installed.

For Msvc6 it was easy - just make the installer run the "vc6redist.exe"
program to install the redistributable DLLs for you.  vc6redist.exe is
included with MSVC6 SP5 (so, the developers download the service pack, and
then bundle the redist.exe with the installers for the software they
release).  For Msvc7 it's harder - the end user must install the .Net
runtime libraries in order to install the Msvc7 support DLLs - and that's
like a 28MB download.

I did a hunt for you.  Check out these articles for the specific details.
(each is a long line URL, apologies if the lines are mangled)

Deploying applications created with Visual Studio .NET (aka "MSVC7"):

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/vsintro7/ht
ml/vboriDeploymentInVisualStudio.asp

Essentially, "USE WINDOWS INSTALLER" is what they say here.  (And freenet
uses Nullsoft Installer not Windows Installer).   A quote:
Visual Studio .NET provides its redistributable files in the form of merge
modules. These merge modules encapsulate the redistributable DLLs and can be
used by setup projects or other redistribution tools. Using the merge
modules ensures that the correct files are redistributed with an
application. However, if your installer does not support distributing merge
modules, you can redistribute the DLLs embedded in the merge modules. You
need to either extract the DLLs from the merge modules or get them from the
product CD or DVD. Do not copy files from your hard disk Windows 2000
and newer operating systems provide a new feature, Windows File Protection,
which prevents the replacement of essential system files installed as part
of Windows 2000. Applications cannot overwrite these files because they are
used by the system and other applications.


Deploying applications created with MSVC6:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;Q259403&;

So, so much easier.  You can just upload vc6redist.exe on freenetproject.org
and say, hey kids, download this if you get "missing DLL" errors when
running freenet (or you can mod the webinstaller to run it automatically but
it will increase the installer size by approx 7MB and you only need to
install it once, ever, anyway).  And in most cases, the kids won't even get
missing DLL errors if you stick with vc6, because vc6 is over two years old
(and I can't imagine anybody who spends two years without installing any new
software).

Save everyone grief and just rerelease from MSVC6 instead of MSVC7.  I mean,
clearly whoever did the release has access to both - as two releases were
done - whose crazy idea was it to make the MSVC7 release the main one?!

Also, the developer in question is perhaps the only Freenet developer with
access to MSVC7, adding further fuel to the argument to stick with MSVC6.
(I remember when I still only had MSVC5 and had to keep insisting that
changes to freenet.exe maintained compatibility with vc5 so I could still
build!)


On the other hand (playing devil's advocate a little), for future proofness
I'd migrate the installer to using Microsoft Windows Installer (.msi).  Why?
Well, the MSI DSK is free, and the Windows Installer system is very, very,
very good indeed.  And it works, and Microsoft rarely (need to) update it.
Actually, I'll look into this, because I doubt anyone else will bother.

> I also hate them: for designing a browser that has a repair function that
> cannot seem to repair itself
> [...]
> The spiders do enjoy making webs around it

Sorry, no idea what you were talking about there.

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Re: [freenet-support] NodeConfig, missing .dll error

[Dave Hooper]

> > I'll bet money it doesn't say "please distribute our dlls as .zip files
and ask the end
> > users to unzip them into the windows partition" anywhere)
>
> You can hate microsoft for the way they do things, even it is the way they
> intended them to be done.

It isn't the way microsoft intends things to be done, and that was kinda my
point.
Seriously, I'm not kidding.  And this is important:
** IF YOU WANT TO RELEASE SOFTWARE BUILT WITH MSVC THEN YOU MUST SHIP THE
CORE SUPPORT DLLS THE WAY MICROSOFT WANTS YOU TO **
Why?  Because if you don't the reference counts are not going to be updated
in the registry.  And suppose you then install some software that DOES
maintain the reference counts correctly.  If it happens to install the same
named DLL, and you subsequently uninstall that application, the uninstaller
can (justifiably) remove the DLL from the system.

This is a very, very real issue when installing a 'new' core DLL such as a
.NET or MSVC7 support library, as there is a low chance of the end user
already having this file installed.

For Msvc6 it was easy - just make the installer run the "vc6redist.exe"
program to install the redistributable DLLs for you.  vc6redist.exe is
included with MSVC6 SP5 (so, the developers download the service pack, and
then bundle the redist.exe with the installers for the software they
release).  For Msvc7 it's harder - the end user must install the .Net
runtime libraries in order to install the Msvc7 support DLLs - and that's
like a 28MB download.

I did a hunt for you.  Check out these articles for the specific details.
(each is a long line URL, apologies if the lines are mangled)

Deploying applications created with Visual Studio .NET (aka "MSVC7"):

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/vsintro7/ht
ml/vboriDeploymentInVisualStudio.asp

Essentially, "USE WINDOWS INSTALLER" is what they say here.  (And freenet
uses Nullsoft Installer not Windows Installer).   A quote:
Visual Studio .NET provides its redistributable files in the form of merge
modules. These merge modules encapsulate the redistributable DLLs and can be
used by setup projects or other redistribution tools. Using the merge
modules ensures that the correct files are redistributed with an
application. However, if your installer does not support distributing merge
modules, you can redistribute the DLLs embedded in the merge modules. You
need to either extract the DLLs from the merge modules or get them from the
product CD or DVD. Do not copy files from your hard disk Windows 2000
and newer operating systems provide a new feature, Windows File Protection,
which prevents the replacement of essential system files installed as part
of Windows 2000. Applications cannot overwrite these files because they are
used by the system and other applications.


Deploying applications created with MSVC6:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;Q259403&;

So, so much easier.  You can just upload vc6redist.exe on freenetproject.org
and say, hey kids, download this if you get "missing DLL" errors when
running freenet (or you can mod the webinstaller to run it automatically but
it will increase the installer size by approx 7MB and you only need to
install it once, ever, anyway).  And in most cases, the kids won't even get
missing DLL errors if you stick with vc6, because vc6 is over two years old
(and I can't imagine anybody who spends two years without installing any new
software).

Save everyone grief and just rerelease from MSVC6 instead of MSVC7.  I mean,
clearly whoever did the release has access to both - as two releases were
done - whose crazy idea was it to make the MSVC7 release the main one?!

Also, the developer in question is perhaps the only Freenet developer with
access to MSVC7, adding further fuel to the argument to stick with MSVC6.
(I remember when I still only had MSVC5 and had to keep insisting that
changes to freenet.exe maintained compatibility with vc5 so I could still
build!)


On the other hand (playing devil's advocate a little), for future proofness
I'd migrate the installer to using Microsoft Windows Installer (.msi).  Why?
Well, the MSI DSK is free, and the Windows Installer system is very, very,
very good indeed.  And it works, and Microsoft rarely (need to) update it.
Actually, I'll look into this, because I doubt anyone else will bother.

> I also hate them: for designing a browser that has a repair function that
> cannot seem to repair itself
> [...]
> The spiders do enjoy making webs around it

Sorry, no idea what you were talking about there.

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Re: [freenet-support] NodeConfig, missing .dll error

[Dave Hooper]

> I stuck a copy of it up at http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/mfc70.zip
(it
> may need to be unzipped into the windows directory). This weekend I'll see
> what i can do getting it to installer without actaully having everyone
> downloading it every time they update.

I'm under the impression that Windows 2000, Windows ME and Windows XP regard
MFCxx (and MSVCRT and MSVCPxx and MSVCIRT, etc) as system files which can
only be installed (correctly) as part of the system service pack or hotfix
procedure.
It is not 1997 any more - you cannot just tell users to "unzip this
Microsoft DLL into C:\Windows\System and see if that fixes the problem".

I therefore also believe that releasing code built with MSVC7 will imply a
dependency on the end-user installing either a very recent service pack OR
the .net libraries.

This is not a good situation.  Either release the MSVC6 builds (almost all
users will have the necessary MFC DLLs for that - Windows2000, ME and XP all
install the necessary system files for MSVC6 releases anyway) or do static
builds.

> I hate microsoft, really i do.
> I'm adding http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/msvcr70.zip . same
directions
> with this as mfc70.zip

NO NO NO, it sounds more like you just don't understand them.
Actually, what does redist.txt (installed with msvc7) say?  (I genuinely
don't know the answer to this, as I don't have msvc7, but I'll bet money it
doesn't say "please distribute our dlls as .zip files and ask the end users
to unzip them into the windows partition" anywhere)


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Re: [freenet-support] crash

[Dave Hooper]

> Hi just installed Freenet, trying to get it up and running having this
error show up in
> freenet.log im running WindowsXP and Java2 Runtime environment.  Thanks
for any help.

Is Fred even compatibile with Java 2 RE?  I don't know if it is but I would
expect not.
http://freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/Download

Quote:
"Java:  Freenet requires that Java is installed on your computer. While we
are working to ensure that Freenet can work with free JVMs ... currently we
suggest that users download Sun's 1.4 JVM from here for reliability, speed,
and stability reasons. "

Try using the latest 1.4 JRE instead and see if the problem goes away.

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[freenet-support] Re: Re Crashing

[Dave Hooper]

Replying to support posts is really easy - just send an email to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  You can click Reply All in your mail software
to do this automatically.  If you just click on Reply it will only send a
reply to whoever posted the message; Reply All will send it to the support
mailing list too.

Ok - so, msvcrt.dll is linked to missing export Kernel32.dll
InitializeCriticalSection... According to all information I can find from
Microsoft, InitializeCriticalSection should NEVER be missing from
Kernel32.dll
I think therefore that you must have corrupted system DLLs, which is never a
good thing.

What operating system are you running on?  It sounds like at some point
you've installed some dodgy software (no, not Freenet) and that has replaced
some or all of the system files with old or corrupted versions.  If you're
using Windows 95, 98 or Windows NT, try running the following file to see if
it improves the situation.
(This is all one long URL so you might need to copy and paste it a line at a
time into your browser window to make up the whole link address)

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://download.microsoft.com
/download/vc60pro/Update/1/W9XNT4/EN-US/VC6RedistSetup_enu.exe

If you're running Windows ME, Windows 2000 or Windows XP, go to
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com
and reinstall the latest service pack for your operating system.. To do this
- If there is a link named "Product Updates" then click on this, and wait
until after it has said "Please wait while Microsoft works out what system
files you have" (your wording may differ) then tick "Show installed" and
redownload the latest service pack
- If that isn't there then look for a link on the page for Service Pack and
follow that.
- If that still isn't there, then go to
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000, click on the Downloads link on the far
left, select Service Packs.

I don't know any easy way to force XP or ME to redownload the latest service
pack, I'll let you know if I can find oone.

Let me know if the situation improves.

Dave

- Original Message -
From: fredunsworth
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:01 PM
Subject: Re Crashing


I ran the sun java before running freenet and that worked ok , I then opened
Freenet and it froze after rebooting a few times I eventually got it to the
internet explorer page saying Freenet Gateway , as it loaded it crashed but
this time it left a error message , this is it , -- The MSVCRT , DLL file is
linked to missing export KERNAL32 DLL inializedCriticalSection. thats
all it said before I had to reboot again . Fred .
PS how do I reply to the posts in the support area , do I have to send an
email all the time or is there another way . Thanks .


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Fw: [freenet-support] Place to go for help ??

[Dave Hooper]

I'm guessing this was meant for the list

- Original Message -
From: "Charles Mason"
To: "Dave Hooper"
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Place to go for help ??


> I agree it is unlikly to be caused by Freenet its self. However it could
be
> a problem with the JVM (Java vertual machine). Becuse Freenet is writtent
in
> java it needs a java vertual machine to run. This could be corrupted  or
> conflict with something else on your system. The best java vertual machine
> to use is the one written by Sun Micro Systems. You can get that from
there
> java web site. http://java.sun.com . Make sure you are runing the latest
> version, which is 1.4 last time I looked. It is the fastest and most
stable
> JVM for windows.
>
> If that doesnt help then I supose you could try reinstalling windows to
see
> if it is a corruption there but it is quite lot of work. Have you been
> experecing other problems with programs not working, if so it could be
> windows at falut. You might want to try installing freenet straight after
> installing windows before you put other software back on there. If it
> suddenly stops working after you have installed a particular pecie of
> software it is conflicting with that software. If you do identify a
conflict
> like this please post to this mailing list with more info, because I have
> never herd of Freenet having this effect on someones PC.
>
> Good luck in fixing the problem. Post to this mailing list if it donsnt
> resolve the problem.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dave Hooper"
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Place to go for help ??
>
>
> > This is the correct place.  I'm sorry that you'I ave felt you've been
> ignored.
> > I've checked the support archives and you appear to be having a problem
> with
> > your computer freezing or rebooting when you click on the freenet icon.
> > Which icon is this - the one on the desktop or the little rabbit in the
> > systray area of the taskbar (the small icons near the clock)?
> >
> > There is nothing in the freenet software that would cause the computer
to
> > freeze or reboot and that is why you haven't received any supportive
> > responses.  My only suggestions would be:
> > try disabling your virus checker momentarily to see if it works
> without
> > that
> > try disabling the firewall software to see if it works without that
> > look on the internet for updated graphics card drivers
> > look on the internet for updated soundcard drivers
> >
> > System instability is usually caused by outdated or buggy drivers, or
> > corrupted system files.  You may also consider going to
> > http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com
> > to see if there are any operating-system patches you need to install for
> > Windows ME.
> >
> > Hope this helps a bit,
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: fredunsworth
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:34 AM
> > Subject: [freenet-support] Place to go for help ??
> >
> >
> > Is there one single place I can email for help ?? .
> > I have emailed on here but no replies , I cant get on freenet without
help
> .
> > Thanks .
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Re: [freenet-support] Place to go for help ??

[Dave Hooper]

This is the correct place.  I'm sorry that you've felt you've been ignored.
I've checked the support archives and you appear to be having a problem with
your computer freezing or rebooting when you click on the freenet icon.
Which icon is this - the one on the desktop or the little rabbit in the
systray area of the taskbar (the small icons near the clock)?

There is nothing in the freenet software that would cause the computer to
freeze or reboot and that is why you haven't received any supportive
responses.  My only suggestions would be:
try disabling your virus checker momentarily to see if it works without
that
try disabling the firewall software to see if it works without that
look on the internet for updated graphics card drivers
look on the internet for updated soundcard drivers

System instability is usually caused by outdated or buggy drivers, or
corrupted system files.  You may also consider going to
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com
to see if there are any operating-system patches you need to install for
Windows ME.

Hope this helps a bit,

Dave

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From: fredunsworth
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:34 AM
Subject: [freenet-support] Place to go for help ??


Is there one single place I can email for help ?? .
I have emailed on here but no replies , I cant get on freenet without help .
Thanks .
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Re: [freenet-support] Fw: goldfish

[Dave Hooper]

> gg
> too much attachements @ this list...
> every day virus warnings!!! like the one I respond. can't you just send
> plain text mails

The original email was not a virus warning but a payload of the Win32.Klez
virus.  It works by emailing everyone in the infected users address book,
but it heads each email as if it has come from the address book user rather
than the infected user.
So, someone, somewhere, who has been infected with Win32.Klez also has
[EMAIL PROTECTED] in their address book.

I was under the impression that [EMAIL PROTECTED] was a
subscribe-only mailing list.  Or maybe [EMAIL PROTECTED] really is a
subscribed user?  Seems that no-one is safe.

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Re: [freenet-support] I have a question about your organization

[Dave Hooper]

> I am interested in getting some movie editing software, etc.  Software
such
> as: Movie Magic Scheduling and Budgeting, Final Cut Pro 3, etc.  I have
some
> screenwriting software that I'd be willing to trade in return for these
> items.  I read about your organization on the 'Net and am therefore
sending
> this message.

What exactly did you read on the Internet about Freenet?  I cannot condone
software piracy and I believe that many of the Freenet developers would
share this view.
However Freenet is about freedom to publish so there is a possibility that
such software exists somewhere in Freenet.  You may try some of the
Freesites by browsing to the freenet gateway page (double click the bunny
icon in Windows, or point your browser to http://127.0.0.1:/ ) and
following the link to The Freedom Engine.  From there though you're on your
own.

Alternatively of course there are several thousand illicit Warez sites
readily accessible on the public Internet.

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Re: [freenet-support] BUGs and wishes... under WINDOWS

[Dave Hooper]

> 1 a) if you try to import/export references in a location with spaces in
the
> path, like "C:\test freenet\pippo.ref" or "C:\mickey mouse.ref", the
process
> fails!

Argh.  Sounds like I wrote that bug.

> 1 b) if you try to import/export references in a good location accordingly
> to point 1a, but you have J2RE installed in a location with spaces in the
> path, like "C:\program files\jre\bin\...", the process fails too!

Argh.  Sounds like I wrote that bug too.

> 2) if you make manual changes to freenet.ini, like
> "services=fproxy,nodeinfo,console,nodestatus", an after that you use the
> nodeconfig program, you may loose some setting... like
> "services=fproxy,nodeinfo,"

Fair point.  Which specific changes get lost when you run NodeConfig (is it
just the services= key or is there more?).  NodeConfig only knows how to
deal with the fproxy and nodeinfo services.  I probably ought to make it
pass through anything it doesn't understand and let the user edit that from
NodeConfig too.  (In fact I'll probably just add it to the Unknown Settings
dialog off of the Serious Geeks Only tab)

> and now the wish... :)
> Is possible to start freenet node as a WinNT service?

Do a quick search on the freenet developers' archive, someone was talking
about this just the other day.  It's not hard to write a simple NT Service
wrapper for freenet.exe, but I haven't had the time to do it and no-one else
has done it yet either.  However there's seemingly loads of third-party
tools that let you run generic .exe applications as services.  Not quite as
good or flexible as having freenet actually running as a service but pretty
close.

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Re: [freenet-support] Download

[Dave Hooper]

H... I probably ought to point out that Freenet is only going to be
useful if you also have an internet connection.   If you are only online at
work, then to be honest I don't see much point in running Freenet at home.
Freenet allows you to share data with other people across the Internet - so
having an Internet connection is a reasonable requirement.
Sorry,
Dave

- Original Message -
From: Leslie Knisley
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 8:54 PM
Subject: [freenet-support] Download


How do I go about getting a CD or whatever is available to download Freenet
on my computer at home? I am only on line at work. Please advise.  My e-mail
adddress is:
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Re: [freenet-support] Is there any special procedure to shut down freenet

[Dave Hooper]

> Dave,
>
> Thanks. I was asking if I need to call any function in
> the java code if I want to restart the node.  I don't
> know if someone is attacking me or what, my node is getting
> slow over time. I saw a lot of tcp connections in the
> CLOSE_WAIT state. So I want to restart the node automatically
> everyday.

The CLOSE_WAIT thing is a bug, as far as I can remember.  Could you make a
log of this bug in the bugtracker so that the appropriate freenet devs get
awareness of the problem:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=browse&group_id=978&atid=100978

>
> If I just kill the java process and restarted, it seems to
> mess up the data store. Some times fproxy does not start
> after this.
>
> Yuan

I don't know why it messes up the data store, but I can probably guess:
Killing a process is generally a bad idea (I can't remember if you said you
were using Windows or a *nix variant operating system) no matter what
operating system (but especially Windows as the operating system doesn't
garbage-collect stray file handles and lost memory)

The way the freenet tray utility works under Windows is to send a windows
message to the (hidden) gui node.
What I mean is, the freenet tray utility secretly runs "java
Freenet.node.gui.GUINode"  (not "java Freenet.node.Node").  This creates a
gui interface to the Freenet node.  The tray utility creates this hidden so
the user cannot see it, but it's there, I assure you.   The freenet tray
utility then (in response to the use clicking on "Stop Freenet") tells this
window to close itself, and this in turn causes the freenet node to stop
itself, CLEANLY.

If you want to do something similar to safely shut down and restart the
freenet node, you can run "java Freenet.node.gui.GUINode" from the command
line instead of "java Freenet.node.Node" (if you're using Windows, do this
instead of using the freenet systray utility) and then, when you want to
shut the node down, close the window that appeared.

Closing the GUINode window can be automated under Windows (the freenet tray
utility does a number of clever things to achieve this, but essentially all
it is really doing is sending the "WM_SYSCOMMAND[SC_CLOSE]" message to all
the windows created by the java process. Although my tip for the day is to
only send this to windows that have a message pump associated to them
otherwise Windows 'helpfully' pops up a message saying 'this window cannot
be closed automatically ' .   Check out the source code for the freenet
tray utility if you're interested in this sort of thing)

I honestly don't know about *nix  (and I currently don't have access to a
box) but I'm pretty safe in assuming that it's straightforward to automate
closing a simple java gui window given a decent window manager under *nix
(my logic here generally goes along the lines of "If you can do it in
Windows, you can almost certainly do it in *nix, but buggered if I know
how")


Hope this helps some,

Dave


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Re: [freenet-support] Is there any special procedure to shut down freenet

[Dave Hooper]

> Is there any special procedure to shutdown a freenet node?

Right click on the node icon in the systray.  And choose 'Stop Freenet'.

> My node becomes very slow with time. I want it to restart
> it once a day. Is it enough to kill and restart the java
> process? It appears to corrupt the data store.

Right click on the node icon in the systray.  And choose 'Stop and Restart
Freenet'

> Can I use freenet.exe to shutdown a freenet node (from the
> command line)?

Ooooh.  Not yet, but it's a good idea.  I'll put this near the top of my
things-to-do list for the next release.  We currenly only support
"freenet.exe -open" from the command line, which causes the gateway page to
appear (and the node to start up if freenet.exe wasn't already running).  I
agree that "freenet.exe -stop", "freenet.exe -start" and
"freenet.exe -restart" are good ideas.  Hey, maybe "freenet.exe -configure"
too, but that's probably less useful since it's a GUI configurator...

Dave


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Re: [freenet-support] Not Connecting

[Dave Hooper]

You haven't given us much information to go on ... The following description
assumes you are running Windows Freenet version 0.3.9.1 or later

1)  Is the freenet node running (i.e. does the rabbit have a red outline, or
is it flashing and has a black line through it?)
2)  Run the configurator  (right click on the rabbit and select Configure),
click on "FProxy" in the left-hand pane and see if "Enable FProxy" is ticked
and that the "FProxy port" is set to 8081.

Dave

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 8:39 PM
Subject: [freenet-support] Not Connecting


> When I attempt to connect at this web address http://localhost:8081/ I get
a
> "Page Not Found."  Is this trouble, or a simple fix?
>
> ---
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Re: [freenet-support] freenet

[Dave Hooper]

Ahem...


Please check the archive at

http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/support

Click on the "Support Archives" list.  Oh wait, no, hey, you already tried
there, right?

Dave

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From: "chris mcfaul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 7:44 AM
Subject: [freenet-support] freenet

> when i try to install freenet it says no java interpreter could be found.
> what do you suggest?
> _
> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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Re: [freenet-support] freenet would'nt run

[Dave Hooper]

== Always check the archives in case your question has been answered already
==
== In some cases the question may have been answered precisely one day ago
==

Which platform are you running on?
Why didn't you tell me?
thanks!

But seriously, assuming you're running windows, we only support Sun JRE
1.3.1 or newer.  If you want to tinker with alternative JREs after
installing freenet, you can, but we're only (currently) supporting JRE1.3.1
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/jre/download-windows.html

Dave

- Original Message -
From: Glen Michel
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Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 4:15 AM
Subject: [freenet-support] freenet would'nt run


Which version of java runtime do i need to use?
Where do i get it?
thanks!


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Re: [freenet-support] (no subject)

[Dave Hooper]

Yes.
Don't forget to download and install the Java Runtimes.
That's what it asked you to do.  Freenet is written in Java, and needs Java
Runtimes installed before it will work.  Therefore, to make it work, do as
it suggested.

I assume you are running on Windows.  So try this link for starters:
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/jre/download-windows.html

Dave

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Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 3:32 AM
Subject: [freenet-support] (no subject)


The download will not work. The computer says I have to locate Java
Runtimes.
I tried to update like it says and it still will not work.


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Fw: [freenet-support] freenet prob2

[Dave Hooper]

Wasn't there a bug in MSK parsing that was recently fixed?
I'm no good at diagnosing node errors or firewall problems (yet, sorry)
Dave

- Original Message -
From: "Flute Gardener" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Dave Hooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 1:53 AM
Subject: RE: [freenet-support] freenet prob2


> Reinstalled freenet. Made change to node address. the fproxy is back and
pops
> up like it used to. However, after pulling down my firewall, the same
problems
> with requesting remains as before. Here is the log:
>
> Jun 19, 2001 2:19:29 AM:Normal:Couldn't load DataStore from
> .freenet\store_15272
> Jun 19, 2001 2:19:29 AM:Freenet.node.Node:Normal:Freenet Core running on
15272
> (build 391)
> Jun 19, 2001 2:19:51 AM:Error:Inform Connection
> failed:java.net.ConnectException: Operation timed out: connect
> Jun 19, 2001 2:19:51 AM:Freenet.node.ServiceLauncher:Normal:Lauching
xmlrpc
> Jun 19, 2001 2:19:51 AM:Freenet.node.ServiceLauncher:Normal:Lauching
fproxy
> Jun 19, 2001 2:19:51 AM:Freenet.node.ServiceLauncher:Normal:Lauching fcp
> Jun 19, 2001 2:19:52 AM:Freenet.client.ClientCore:Normal:Freenet Core
running
> on 1869 (build 391)
> Jun 19, 2001 2:20:11 AM:Freenet.client.ClientCore:Normal:Freenet Core
running
> on 1871 (build 391)
> Jun 19, 2001 2:20:33 AM:Freenet.client.events.ExceptionEvent:Normal:A
fatal
> exception occured while processing: Freenet.ConnectFailedException:
> Freenet.ConnectException: java.net.ConnectException: Operation timed out:
> connect when attempting to connect to tcp/11.22.33.44:15272
> Jun 19, 2001 2:20:33
AM:Freenet.client.events.StateReachedEvent:Normal:State
> "FAILED" reached.
> Jun 19, 2001 2:20:33
AM:Freenet.contrib.fproxy.HttpHandlerServlet:Error:Client
> object signalled: Freenet.KeyException: Couldn't read MSK Mapfile:
> SSK@enI8YFo3gj8UVh-Au0HpKMftf6QQAgE/homepage
> Jun 19, 2001 2:24:08 AM:Freenet.client.events.ExceptionEvent:Normal:A
fatal
> exception occured while processing: Freenet.ConnectFailedException:
> Freenet.ConnectException: java.net.ConnectException: Operation timed out:
> connect when attempting to connect to tcp/11.22.33.44:15272
> Jun 19, 2001 2:24:08
AM:Freenet.client.events.StateReachedEvent:Normal:State
> "FAILED" reached.
> Jun 19, 2001 2:24:08
AM:Freenet.contrib.fproxy.HttpHandlerServlet:Error:Client
> object signalled: Freenet.KeyException: Couldn't read MSK Mapfile:
> SSK@enI8YFo3gj8UVh-Au0HpKMftf6QQAgE/homepage
> Jun 19, 2001 2:26:02 AM:Normal:Couldn't load DataStore from
> .freenet\store_15272
> Jun 19, 2001 2:26:02 AM:Freenet.node.Node:Normal:Freenet Core running on
15272
> (build 391)
> Jun 19, 2001 2:26:23 AM:Error:Inform Connection
> failed:java.net.ConnectException: Operation timed out: connect
> Jun 19, 2001 2:26:23 AM:Freenet.node.ServiceLauncher:Normal:Lauching
xmlrpc
> Jun 19, 2001 2:26:23 AM:Freenet.node.ServiceLauncher:Normal:Lauching
fproxy
> Jun 19, 2001 2:26:23 AM:Freenet.node.ServiceLauncher:Normal:Lauching fcp
> Jun 19, 2001 2:26:24 AM:Freenet.client.ClientCore:Normal:Freenet Core
running
> on 1905 (build 391)
> Jun 19, 2001 2:26:24 AM:Freenet.client.ClientCore:Normal:Freenet Core
running
> on 1907 (build 391)
> Jun 19, 2001 2:26:45 AM:Freenet.client.events.ExceptionEvent:Normal:A
fatal
> exception occured while processing: Freenet.ConnectFailedException:
> Freenet.ConnectException: java.net.ConnectException: Operation timed out:
> connect when attempting to connect to tcp/11.22.33.44:15272
> Jun 19, 2001 2:26:45
AM:Freenet.client.events.StateReachedEvent:Normal:State
> "FAILED" reached.
> Jun 19, 2001 2:26:45
AM:Freenet.contrib.fproxy.HttpHandlerServlet:Error:Client
> object signalled: Freenet.KeyException: Couldn't read MSK Mapfile:
> SSK@enI8YFo3gj8UVh-Au0HpKMftf6QQAgE/homepage
> Jun 19, 2001 2:27:23 AM:Freenet.client.events.ExceptionEvent:Normal:A
fatal
> exception occured while processing: Freenet.ConnectFailedException:
> Freenet.ConnectException: java.net.ConnectException: Operation timed out:
> connect when attempting to connect to tcp/11.22.33.44:15272
> Jun 19, 2001 2:27:23
AM:Freenet.client.events.StateReachedEvent:Normal:State
> "FAILED" reached.
> Jun 19, 2001 2:28:17 AM:Freenet.client.events.ExceptionEvent:Normal:A
fatal
> exception occured while processing: Freenet.ConnectFailedException:
> Freenet.ConnectException: java.net.ConnectException: Operation timed out:
> connect when attempting to connect to tcp/11.22.33.44:15272
> Jun 19, 2001 2:28:17
AM:Freenet.client.events.StateReachedEvent:Normal:State
> "FAILED" reached.
> Jun 19, 2001 2:28:17
AM:Freenet.contrib.fproxy.HttpHandlerServlet:Error:Client
> object signalled: Freenet.KeyException: Couldn'

Re: [freenet-support] (no subject)

[Dave Hooper]

Can a speaker of the dutch language please translate?

- Original Message -
From: Sjaak Rijkse
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 6:59 PM
Subject: [freenet-support] (no subject)


Dit is rotzooi,ik wil het downloaden en dan moet ik niet 25 x op een knopej
moeten drukken, maar 1 x


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Re: [freenet-support] freenet prob

[Dave Hooper]

One of two things:

1)  You broke your .freenetrc  (or freenet.ini if you're using Windows)
  I managed to reproduce your error perfectly by replacing the working
line

nodeAddress=11.22.33.44

with

nodeAddress=tcp/11.22.33.44:12345


2)You're using a broken version of freenet.jar
In which case, download a working stable version from Sourceforge

Dave


- Original Message -
From: "Flute Gardener" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 12:43 PM
Subject: [freenet-support] freenet prob


> Another list with debug setting on, and without the use of the firewall.
The
> main difference being, that now, even the fproxy page doesn't pop up.
Other
> suggestions welcommed.
>
[...snip...]
> Jun 18, 2001 1:04:27 PM:Freenet.client.ServletHandler:Error:Error
> instantiating class Freenet.contrib.fproxy.HttpHandlerServlet: Could not
parse
> address `tcp/tcp/138.89.87.164:19888:7312'.  It should be : or
> tcp/:
[...snip...]


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Re: [freenet-support] Need help with "Couldn't load DataStore" error

[Dave Hooper]

Try this.

Stop and restart the node.
Then look in your freenet.log - has it RE-ADDED the message "could not load
data store from store_0" to the end of the log?  If not, then the node is
probably running properly (i.e. the port is correctly set).
So, maybe you don't have fproxy running.  If this is true it would explain
why you cannot access the fproxy port (8081).
To check this, look for a line "services.fproxy.port=8081" and
"services.fproxy.class=Freenet.contrib.fproxy.HttpHandlerServlet"
If they aren't there then Fproxy isn't running, so you cannot access the
fproxy port!

It's easy to enable fproxy by running the gui java configurator like so:

java Freenet.node.gui.Config .freenetrc

Click on "FProxy" on the left, and tick "Enable FProxy".  Also confirm that
the FProxy port is 8081.  You will only need to change this if some other
software is using port 8081 - and this will require that you go to
http://localhost: where  is the port number you chose instead of
8081

Hope this helps

Dave

- Original Message -
From: "Chad Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Need help with "Couldn't load DataStore"
error


> My sample_freenetrc  says port 16737.  When I connect to it with a browser
I
> get
> ÿY.fbfºÑy"Ç,s"b´½ ÝQÈ¥>³^?7ä|à?ö®ï½fð-"zD 
> 3e.1²÷©Bp¿P·úÌQŸåé×pf?·½ìv¹zP"ÀµùîĤtSÒÛ,û¡ç¿DQŬz)¨
Bu~üÏË+uè>]
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>
> Does this mean its working?  This quickstart guide says: "You can now
visit
> http://localhost:8081/ in your web browser to insert and request stuff
from
> Freenet. "  But I still can't connect to port 8081.
>
> So, do I have a working node?
>
> thanks
> chad
> - Original Message -
> From: Rob Cakebread <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 11:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Need help with "Couldn't load DataStore"
> error
>
>
> > On Friday 15 June 2001 07:36 pm, you wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I have a Intel box with Redhat 6.2 and Suns jdk 1.3.1.  I just
installed
> > > freenet.  After I start the server I get:
> > > [root@mysite Freenet]# ./freenet_server
> > > + java Freenet.node.Node
> > >
> > > Seems fine, but when I connect to localhost:8081 I get an error.  The
> > > freenet.log gives:
> > >
> > > Jun 15, 2001 9:24:36 PM:Normal:Couldn't load DataStore from
> > > .freenet/store_0 Jun 15, 2001 9:24:37
> PM:Freenet.node.Node:Normal:Freenet
> > > Core running on 1349 (build 391)
> > >
> > > Any ideas?
> > >
> >
> > The store_0 tells me that it didn't find which port to use. Do you have
> this
> > line set in your .freenetrc and is .freenetrc in that same directory you
> ran
> > ./freenet_server from?
> >
> > listenPort=19114
> >
> >
> > > thanks
> > > chad
> > >
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Re: [freenet-support] install - java issues?

[Dave Hooper]

It was sarcasm.  Sorry.
Won't happen again.

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> For the benefit of people who can't be bothered to read the list archives
at
> http://lists.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/
> , I will be re-sending the following email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> every 12 hours.

How will that help?  Anyone who can't be bothered to check the archives
probably isn't subscribed before asking for help.



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Re: [freenet-support] install - java issues?

[Dave Hooper]

> Personally, I think this suX0rs. I don't know much about the state of
> Free JVMs on Windows, but I'm pretty damn sure that none of them are
> going to support JDK 1.3 stuff.

They don't need to.

> Freenet is an Open Source Java project. We should support people who
> want to use Open Source Java systems. Mandating a particular
> proprietary JVM is lame.

It is.  We're working on it but currently the only JVM that we  _know_  (and
I mean _really know_) works under Windows is the Sun JRE 1.3.1 .   Name any
other and we'll give you a list of the problems we've encountered trying to
use it / get it to work.

> If we can't manage to add two or three more strings ("kaffe.exe",
> "japhar.exe", "jre.exe" etc.) to the JVM search facility in the
> Windows install, we suck.

Oh, if only it were that simple.

jre.exe is INCOMPATIBLE with java.exe

java.exe uses the 'CLASSPATH' environment variable
jre.exe REQUIRES that we use "-cp" and/or "-classpath" on the command line.
jre.exe does NOT use (or, if it does, does not use RELIABLY) the 'CLASSPATH'
environment variable
"-cp" and "-classpath" are compatible with java.exe but incompatible with
jview.exe, which requires instead that we use "/cp" and/or "/classpath"
...
you see the can of worms?

Like I said, we're working on it.  But to build a list of different jre
executable files AND an internal structure that describes how each one
should be run and its arguments ... THAT sucks.
If they were all compatible, it wouldn't be a problem.

And there's other issues too.  java.exe (Sun JRE 1.3.1), for example, can
create an ugly black console window.  On windows 2000 we can close this
window programatically.   On Win9X and Win ME we cannot.  javaw.exe is the
correct Win32 version of the JRE.  But what is the situation with kaffe.exe?
Or japhar.exe?  Do they create console windows?  Can they be shut
programmatically?  Do they run in the Windows subsystem?  If so, do they
automatically close down when we send child windows the
WM_SYSCOMMAND[SC_CLOSE] message?

I hear that Sun JRE 1.1.xxx does not include the Swing libraries - we (or
the user more likely) would need to install these separately.  Another
potential installation to perform.  So much for user-friendliness or
intuiutive-installation-process.

I mean, gimme some time and I'll literally try all of the JREs I can get my
hands on.  But I can't do all the testing myself.  I've been on the project,
what, a month and a half?  Most of the current support problems are due to
installation process problems (now that I've fixed all of the freenet.exe
bugs and rewritten the old assembler stuff into maintainable C) and it is
these that I am currently concerned about.  By limiting to one JRE
**currently** we can concentrate on other issues, while users get on with
**using**  freenet, and we get on with evaluating alternative JREs.

Jeeez.

Anyways, it's easy enough (for users, you, me, everybody) to do testing with
an alternative JRE for Windows once Freenet is installed.  Just substitute
the path to your jre in the keys
Javaw=
Javaexec=
in the "Flaunch.ini" file.  Preferably, use Javaw= to specify a proper
windows subsystem JRE (no 'dos' windows) and javaexec= to specify a 'dos' or
Win32 console subsystem JRE.
Then exit freenet (if it was already running) and reload it.  This forces it
to reload flaunch.ini and from this point it will use your JRE instead of
the Sun JRE 1.3.1 thing.
Do some testing, try various combinations of EVERYTHING, then get back to
me.

We have a release test lying around somewhere - a bullet-pointed checklist
for evaluation of Windows freenet releases.  I don't see why we couldn't
reuse this to evaluate alternative JREs, assuming the existence of a fully
working freenet as a base point.


Dave


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Re: [freenet-support] install - java issues?

[Dave Hooper]

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every 12 hours.

> This seems to be a very common problem so I've decided to look into it.
> The Sun JRE 1.1.8_007 does NOT install files named java.exe and javaw.exe
> which is the general assumption for a java runtime environment (JRE)
> Instead, the Sun JRE 1.1.8_007 installs files named "jre.exe" and
> "jrew.exe".  The part of the freenet installer that looks for a Java
runtime
> environment only searches for "java.exe" and "javaw.exe" and hence the Sun
> JRE 1.1.8_007 is NOT found because it uses incorrect filenames.
>
> Because of this incompatibility I recommend you use an alternative JRE.
> For example, Sun JRE 1.3.1:
>
> http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/jre/download-windows.html
>
>
> There is a remote possibility that a future freenet installer may be
tested
> against Sun JRE 1.1.8_007 and that it may be modified to seek for
"jre.exe"
> and "jrew.exe" as alternative java interpreters.
>
> Dave

Did I say that?  I meant "we ain't ever gonna support Sun JRE 1.1.x"

The following is from the Freenet Bugtracker:

> Date: 2001-06-11 21:57
> Sender: nobody
> Logged In: NO
>
> Please update the site to reflect this "reccomendation"
> (read "requirement?"), as pages like
> http://freenet.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=quickstart
> claim that any JRE higher than 1.1 will do.  Some of us
> still have Sun JRE 1.1.8 since it's the what came packaged
> with StarOffice.  :)

followed by

> Date: 2001-06-14 12:52
> Sender: nobody
> Logged In: NO
>
> I think the claim is meant to indicate that any JRE higher
> than 1.1.xxx will work.
> E.g.  1.2.xxx
>
> The installation program has been changed to display a
> message to this effect when a compatible java.exe cannot be
> found.
>


Finally, one active developer in the Freenet world has this to say

> I like your idea of mandating the use of Sun Java 1.3
> This will make Freenet vastly easier to support, mark my words.
> Underlying message to user is "Install Sun JRE 1.3, or forget about
running
> Freenet".

Ok? ok.


Dave

- Original Message -
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 3:06 PM
Subject: [freenet-support] install - java issues?


> During installation the program said it couldn't find the 'java
interpreter'
> and directed me to download a JRE.  Did as much and it still doesn't work.
> Asks me to update setting when after I thought it works and I finally had
to
> cancel out of it.  Help pls.  Thx
>
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Re: [freenet-support] trying to get on

[Dave Hooper]

Yes
Try telling us what you've done.
How should we know what you're doing wrong?  You haven't even said what's
happening ( ==  for all we know it could be working fine and you just don't
realise it)

Which version of Freenet did you install?  What platform are you running
(Windows, Linux, Solaris, etc.)?  What did you try to do?  (request a key,
insert a key, view the FProxy gateway, ... ?)

We're not blimmin' mind readers you know!

Dave

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From: "Larry Staffen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 8:03 PM
Subject: [freenet-support] trying to get on


> Hi- I'm trying to get on.  What am I doing wrong any suggestions?




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Re: [freenet-support] Fw: hello

[Dave Hooper]

It is simply a warning message from the Freenet server informing you that
you are looking at too much porn.
This error message appears because Freenet has an inbuilt porn filter and
the central Freenet server (located in Canada) will not allow more than
roughly 2.5GB of porn through in any one day.

Hope that helps;

Dave

> - Original Message -
> From: "growingman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 10:03 AM
> Subject: hello
>
>
> > please help me.
> > I have installed freenet software. But it doesn't work.
> > It always tell me:
> >  Network Error
> > Couldn't retrieve key: KSK@porn/jpeg/ragam/43/pic24.jpg
> >
> > The address in address bar is as follows:
> > http://localhost:8081/KSK@porn/jpeg/ragam/43/pic24.jpg
> >  I want to know what is wrong. how I can do?
> >   Thanks.



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Re: [freenet-support] Help!

[Dave Hooper]

This seems to be a very common problem so I've decided to look into it.
The Sun JRE 1.1.8_007 does NOT install files named java.exe and javaw.exe
which is the general assumption for a java runtime environment (JRE)
Instead, the Sun JRE 1.1.8_007 installs files named "jre.exe" and
"jrew.exe".  The part of the freenet installer that looks for a Java runtime
environment only searches for "java.exe" and "javaw.exe" and hence the Sun
JRE 1.1.8_007 is NOT found because it uses incorrect filenames.

Because of this incompatibility I recommend you use an alternative JRE.
For example, Sun JRE 1.3.1:

http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/jre/download-windows.html


There is a remote possibility that a future freenet installer may be tested
against Sun JRE 1.1.8_007 and that it may be modified to seek for "jre.exe"
and "jrew.exe" as alternative java interpreters.

Dave

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From: "Jim Lognion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 11:37 PM
Subject: [freenet-support] Help!


> I am using Windows ME. I have downloaded the 0.3.9.1 version of Free Net.
I
> also downloaded JRE 1.1.8_007 from Java Sun. When I try to setup Free net
it
> gets to the part where it searches for the Java program and I get a
messages
> saying that it cannot find the Java program.
>
> Can you tell me what to do?
>
> Thanking you in advance,
> Jim Lognion



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Re: [freenet-support] freenet isn't working!!

[Dave Hooper]

> Error opening file for writing:"C:\Program Files\freenet\freenet.exe"
> Hit abort to abort installation, retry to retry writing the file, or
ignore
> to skip the file
>
> it also has the indicated buttons (abort, retry and ignore).  I tried
each.
> Abort obviously closes the installation.  Retry gives me the exact same
> message, and ignore continues the installation.

(1)   Generally, error messages are bad.  Therefore, generally, clicking
'ignore' will generate an installation that doesn't work properly.

(2)   Were you already running a program called "freenet.exe" or perhaps was
there an application named "freenet.exe" already open in some viewer (e.g.
"Microsoft Dependency Browser" or "Quick View" ? ).

(3)   Try re-downloading the installer (cos this sounds pretty weird, and
I've not seen it before).



>  Further along the
> installation, the locating java runtimes window pops up and another
message
> comes up that says;
>
> A java interprator could not be found.
> Please install the Java Runtime Environment.
> See http://java.sun.com/ for more information.
>
> I went to java.sun.com and downloaded the java environment and the program
> still can't find the interprator.  The window for the locating runtimes
> window wouldn't go away, so I pressed ctrl+alt+delete and closed it
> manually.  Then the installation completes but Freenet won't start!

See point 1. above... Freenet won't start cos it isn't installed properly
(as you practically admitted!)
Also - what file did you download (please give the URL).  When I searched
java.sun.com I ended up here:
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/jre/download-windows.html
Check that that's the same JRE file you're downloading

Oh, and, yeh, after downloading it, did you run it?  I know it's kinda
implied by "please install the Java Runtime Environment" but you'd be amazed
(or, perhaps not) by the number of people who download it and then don't run
it ...


Try this:
Try doing a find for the files "java.exe" and/or "javaw.exe"  (i.e press and
hold Windows key on keyboard and tap F).  Search on "all local hard drives".
If nothing turns up, the Java Runtime Environment wasn't installed
correctly.

If something turns up, there must be a bug in the installer.  If this is the
case, what folder did you install the JRE into (e.g.   G:\Program
Files\JavaSoft\JRE\1.3.0_02)


We'll be doing a new freenet release that fixes some of the known issues
with the installer, and if none of the above fixes anything for you, the new
installer might.

Dave


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Re: [freenet-support] 2.4 kernal

[Dave Hooper]

Yeh - tell us which bit isn't working, and/or in what way it isn't working.
Just saying "works vs. doesn't work" isn't actually awfully helpful.
(sorry)

Dave

- Original Message -
From: "michael adamson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 7:55 PM
Subject: [freenet-support] 2.4 kernal


> freenet 0.3.9.1 works under the 2.2.18 kernal but not under
> 2.4.3-20mdk (Mandrake 8.0). Any suggestions?



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Re: [freenet-support] (no subject)

[Dave Hooper]

Try re-downloading it and reinstalling it.  This is a very surprising error
indeed, since freenet.exe is the main executable file so I can't understand
why it can't find it.
One possibility is that you have installed freenet.exe onto a network-mapped
drive and that the shortcut in your StartUp folder is trying to access this
drive before the mapping has completed.
Another alternative is that you have installed freenet.exe using a login
which has access to a certain folder but then you are trying to run it as a
user who DOESN'T have access to this folder.

You don't say what operating system you are using.  Or what version of
freenet you are trying.
In fact you don't say much at all so this reply is total conjecture.

What path did you try installing freenet into?  e.g. C:\Program
Files\Freenet

Dave

> - Original Message -
> From: muhammad
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 11:48 AM
> Subject: [freenet-support] (no subject)
>
>
> when i am installing freenet an error comes up freenet.exe not found what
> should i do
>


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Re: [freenet-support] help

[Dave Hooper]

> Dave Hooper ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> > o   Rabbit icon sometimes 'locks up' and you can't get the popup menu to
> > appear
> > o   'Configure' doesn't work
> > o   Spaces in filenames don't work
> > o   Restarting freenet sometimes leaves it in a 'Freenet Having
Problems'
> > state
>
> I want to make sure you know about this one which I encountered today:
>
> The freenet.ini file may be generated with both a Javaexec= line and a
> javaw= line.  If they're both uncommented, starting freenet.exe doesn't
> work.  Commenting out javaw=... makes it work.
>
> Win95, Sun JRE 1.3.1, freenet Windows installer 0.3.9.1-2.


Yeh, I know about that one.  It was a 0.3.9.1-2 special (and actually my
fault, I think).  Yeh, the fix for that one is also in there, don't worry!
(Fix was to correct the goof that made 0.3.9.1-2 so 'special' !  :-)
Freenet.exe uses javaw.exe by default, but if that isn't present it falls
back to using java.exe .  The problem was that a recent (? or
not-so-recent?)  change to freenet.exe meant that, if it ran javaw.exe, it
would call the WaitForInputIdle() API ...
Unfortunately, for reasons best known to Sun, calling the WaitForInputIdle()
API on javaw.exe always causes the application to hang!  (well, duh,  well
done Sun).  So we took out the call to the WaitForInputIdle() function (it
wasn't needed anyway).  And now it all works a treat, with both javaw.exe
(i.e. javaw=) and java.exe (i.e. Javaexec=).

Cheers,
Dave


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Re: [freenet-support] help

[Dave Hooper]

In the next couple of days we are hoping to put together a new freenet
installer that FIXES all known issues with the windows Freenet.exe ('white
rabbit' systray icon) application, including (but not limited to) the
following:

o   Rabbit icon sometimes 'locks up' and you can't get the popup menu to
appear
o   'Configure' doesn't work
o   Spaces in filenames don't work
o   Restarting freenet sometimes leaves it in a 'Freenet Having Problems'
state

And a bunch of others besides.  This should make freenet on Windows a easier
thing to use (and debug!) as any outstanding issues can then be tracked down
as either
o   Freenet java problems
o   Installer problems
o   Network (e.g. firewall) problems

Dave


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Re: [freenet-support] Bug...

[Dave Hooper]

Visit the sun site _again_ ...  this time following all the links that point
to the Java 2 Runtime Environment for Windows.

You will end up here:
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/jre/download-windows.html

Download it.

- Original Message -
From: Marcus Berns
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 1:15 PM
Subject: [freenet-support] Bug...


Hi, there,

I tried to install Freenet on an Win 2000 Notebook.
I get the error, that there is no java environment on the computer and the
address of Sun.
I visited the Sun-Site, but there is nothing for download.

What can I do?

Regards,

Marcus


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[freenet-support] Fw: [freenet-devl] Freenet Winstaller - 0.3.9.1-2 TEST RESULTS

[Dave Hooper]

> > I am currently checking in fixes into CVS.  I will announce when they
are
> > ready
>
> 'Kay, done it.
>
> New freenet.exe is in CVSROOT/Contrib/wininstall/Freenet  as you'd expect.
> All source in the obvious place too (../wininstall/Sources/freenet.exe)
>
> To the best of my knowledge, this update fixes all current bugs and
support
> problems in freenet.exe

Dave



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[freenet-support] Re: Re:error message during start freenet & Win release plan

[Dave Hooper]

> Dave Hooper schrieb:
> > This is true and I am assisting with the release.  I'm sorting out some
> > final things and hopefully the release will be this Friday.   The weird
> > thing is I'm almost completely sure that the "cannot find main class"
bug
> > was fixed already in the latest (0.3.9.1-1) release, I've certainly not
been
> > able to reproduce it here (also Win2000)
>
> Neither can I (Win 98 and ME) that is really weird. But as
> -cp/-classpath option does not work for all Java's we have to try to fix
> it via the CLASSPATH variable.

Well, as you know, that fix is already IN.

> :-) You are suspecting me of not using the latest code? :-)

:-)  Stranger things have happened :-)   I take it the 0.3.9.1-2 (shhh!)
release uses MY freenet.exe and not your weird one?  :-)

> Actually, I think what we should do is the following:
>
> 1) I lost the updated source code of config.dll due to hd crash, so we
> need to continue from what we have in CVS
>(Dave would you provide a updated and noncrashing config.dll to CVS
> if you haven't done it already?)

Egads!   No I will not.

What I'm doing currently is getting freenet.exe fixed up straight.  Compiled
without optimisations it seems to work ok with the 'crashing' version of
config.dll.
This gives us two options:
1 >   The new release *MUST* instead fall back to using the java
configurator instead, for the moment (sorry).  Therefore the new installer
must *DELETE* any traces of config.dll in the intended installation
directory
or
2 >   The new release uses the binary config.dll (the so-called "crashing"
one) and we cross our fingers and hope it works with the new freenet.exe
(that I am about to check in to CVS right now!)

There is *NO* option 3 , "Use the existing config.dll", because it is too
incomplete to be of much use.  Sorry.  So, personally, guess what, I'd go
for option 1.

> 2) Put out a new release on Friday, with what we have in CVS right now
> (I changed e.g. some small things in cfgclient and yes, they are in CVS
> :-).

:-)  Glad to hear it :-)

> 3) I am sorry but there will be no pre-release testing this way, but it

Already has been some! :)

> can't get worse at the moment, so we should just push out something ASAP
> and see if the number of complaints decreases.
> 4) After that release, the very next thing we do is fixing Javafind

Yeh, that can wait.

I'll announce what I've done to freenet on the devl list, when I check the
code into CVS.


Dave


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Re: [freenet-support] Re:error message during start freenet

[Dave Hooper]

> > Hi, I have install JRE(j2re-1 3 1-win version) successfully,then
finished
> > setup freenet. but when I start freenet, I got a error message:
> > Title --- "Java Virtual Machine Launcher"
> > Message - "Could not find the main class,Program will exit!"
> > because freenet not start yet,I don't think that relavite with my
> > system/connection.
> > My system is : windows 2000/LAN with firewall
> >
> > can you please tell me how can I do then?

> Sorry I'm no win-guy but first it looks like there are some serious
> problems with the current installer since there are about 3-5
> error-reports per day.
> You have several choices:
>
> 1.) First wait for the next release. (Sebastian mentioned on devl that he
> would like to fix some problems the next days)

This is true and I am assisting with the release.  I'm sorting out some
final things and hopefully the release will be this Friday.   The weird
thing is I'm almost completely sure that the "cannot find main class" bug
was fixed already in the latest (0.3.9.1-1) release, I've certainly not been
able to reproduce it here (also Win2000)

> 3.) If you just would like to check it. May use the 'shell'
> set CLASSPATH= ... (freenet.jar)
> java Freenet.node.Node

The latest version does this itself anyway so it shouldn't be necessary.
However, if setting CLASSPATH=c:\freenet\freenet.jar (or whatever your path
is) gets things working then I think we've found the problem -- if this
truly works then it means the 'latest' version of freenet didn't contain the
latest code!

Dave


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