Re: cross posting ???

[Moz Champion (Dan)]

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

NoOp wrote:

On 02/08/2009 12:34 AM, Jens Hatlak wrote:

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

However connected to the server newsgroups.bellsouth.net,
when I tried to cross post my article, I received the error
message that I can not post an article to two servers!
I had to post the article separately to each group!

It's a known problem (bug 230899).

Greetings,

Jens



https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=230899

Makes it easier for those not familiar with bugzilla to look up.


I went to that link and it appears that I am being hit with the
double whammy. :-( .
I.e. Original error (design problem) and then the bug described
in comment #10.

To recapitulate:
Server A carries group   x
  I am subscribed to x on A.
Server B carries groups  x and y
  I am subscribed to x and y on B
I connect to server B and attempt to post a message cross posted to x 
and y.


1. I get hit multiple times with can't save message to drafts while
composing my message!
2. I can't post my message

Reading the comments I can now see into the design problem.
The devil is in the details. Who gets to reject messages and why. :-/



The answer is quite simple. Do not crosspost, especially between servers.

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Re: Site problem: is it my setup or the site? Seamonkey 1.1.14

[Stanimir Stamenkov]

Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:14:02 -0800, /flyguy/:


http://www.sciencedebate2008.com/www/index.php

displays very poorly. The menu bar is fine, but the rest of it is 
mostly off-screen to the right. There is no horizontal scroll bar, 
so it's impossible to read. My other computer with SM 1.1.14 does 
the same thing; IE 7 displays it properly.


Bingo! My minimum font size (Appearance|Fonts|Minimum) was set to 12. 
Setting to 11 and everything is in place and looking good. I've never 
come across a site that was so sensitive to font size; ocasionally, 
enlarging the font might overlap some text or put a few characters on 
the border where they are a little harder to read. But, to have 90% of 
the page disappear off to the right is unprecedented for me!


As noted, three ctrl+ and 90% of the page jumps a page width or so the 
right. That's with the minimum font size set to 11.


Instead of sacrificing your preferences, you may try adding the 
following rule to your "userContent.css" style sheet:


@-moz-document domain("www.sciencedebate2008.com") {
  #content { clear: left; }
}

You may also apply it using the Stylish extension.

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Re: To Daniel, Re: cross posting ???

[»Q«]

In ,
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj  wrote:

> Mozilla.support.seamonkey was added to server newsgroups.bellsouth.net
> on 9/23/08 and receiving messages from wherever until 1/20/09.

[big snip]

> On Friday evening I wrote to our news administrators complaining
> about the sudden stop in articles to mozilla.support.seamonkey
> on 1/20/09 on the local server.
> Now I'll have to write them that they need to delete, expunge,
> the newsgroup on the local server and block accepting any attempts
> to post to the newsgroup? OR What is the proper solution?

Yes, the best solution would be for them to remove all mozilla.*
groups from their server. You can refer them to the third paragraph
under "General Information" at
:

  The mozilla.* hierarchy is a local news hierarchy only available
  through news.mozilla.org and is not propagated to other Usenet
  servers. This is by design, in order to both help eliminate spam and
  provide slower lag time between posts and replies without having to
  wait for propagation. Please do not mirror our newsgroups elsewhere
  without providing a disclaimer that they should use news.mozilla.org
  to post. (We do share them with Google Groups to provide a web access
  method and archiving.)

[I've crossposted and set followup to mozilla.general]

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Re: Site problem: is it my setup or the site? Seamonkey 1.1.14

[David E. Ross]

On 2/8/2009 7:14 PM, flyguy wrote:
> Mark Hansen wrote:
>> On 02/07/09 23:29, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>>> flyguy wrote:
 This site

 http://www.sciencedebate2008.com/www/index.php

 displays very poorly. The menu bar is fine, but the rest of it is mostly 
 off-screen to the right. There is no horizontal scroll bar, so it's 
 impossible to read. My other computer with SM 1.1.14 does the same 
 thing; IE 7 displays it properly.

 I've tried disabling McAfee security, allowing all cookies, popups and 
 images, but no joy. My useragent strings are

 general.useragent.extra.Firefox  Firefox/2.0
 general.useragent.extra.seamonkey  SeaMonkey/1.1.14

 Any suggestions?
>>> it looks the same to me in IE7 as it does in SM 1.1.14.
>>>
>>> Perhaps the suggestions here might help:
>>>
>>> http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Websites+look+wrong
>>>
>>> If not, then post a screenshot of what you see, cause I 
>>> sure don't see anything wrong.
>>>
>> Using SeaMonkey 1.1.13 on Linux, if I just increase the font size a
>> little, everything gets hosed. Try Ctrl+Plus a couple or three times
>> and you should see it.
> 
> Bingo! My minimum font size (Appearance|Fonts|Minimum) was set to 12. 
> Setting to 11 and everything is in place and looking good. I've never 
> come across a site that was so sensitive to font size; ocasionally, 
> enlarging the font might overlap some text or put a few characters on 
> the border where they are a little harder to read. But, to have 90% of 
> the page disappear off to the right is unprecedented for me!
> 
> As noted, three ctrl+ and 90% of the page jumps a page width or so the 
> right. That's with the minimum font size set to 11.

That indicates that (as I commented elsewhere in this thread) the page
was designed for a very specific resolution, window size, and font size.
 On that subject, see
,
, and
.

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Re: Site problem: is it my setup or the site? Seamonkey 1.1.14

[flyguy]

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 02/07/09 23:29, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:

flyguy wrote:

This site

http://www.sciencedebate2008.com/www/index.php

displays very poorly. The menu bar is fine, but the rest of it is mostly 
off-screen to the right. There is no horizontal scroll bar, so it's 
impossible to read. My other computer with SM 1.1.14 does the same 
thing; IE 7 displays it properly.


I've tried disabling McAfee security, allowing all cookies, popups and 
images, but no joy. My useragent strings are


general.useragent.extra.Firefox  Firefox/2.0
general.useragent.extra.seamonkey  SeaMonkey/1.1.14

Any suggestions?

it looks the same to me in IE7 as it does in SM 1.1.14.

Perhaps the suggestions here might help:

http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Websites+look+wrong

If not, then post a screenshot of what you see, cause I 
sure don't see anything wrong.




Using SeaMonkey 1.1.13 on Linux, if I just increase the font size a
little, everything gets hosed. Try Ctrl+Plus a couple or three times
and you should see it.


Bingo! My minimum font size (Appearance|Fonts|Minimum) was set to 12. 
Setting to 11 and everything is in place and looking good. I've never 
come across a site that was so sensitive to font size; ocasionally, 
enlarging the font might overlap some text or put a few characters on 
the border where they are a little harder to read. But, to have 90% of 
the page disappear off to the right is unprecedented for me!


As noted, three ctrl+ and 90% of the page jumps a page width or so the 
right. That's with the minimum font size set to 11.

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Re: Site problem: is it my setup or the site? Seamonkey 1.1.14

[flyguy]

John Doue wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 02/07/09 23:29, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:

flyguy wrote:

This site

http://www.sciencedebate2008.com/www/index.php

displays very poorly. The menu bar is fine, but the rest of it is 
mostly off-screen to the right. There is no horizontal scroll bar, 
so it's impossible to read. My other computer with SM 1.1.14 does 
the same thing; IE 7 displays it properly.


I've tried disabling McAfee security, allowing all cookies, popups 
and images, but no joy. My useragent strings are


general.useragent.extra.Firefox  Firefox/2.0
general.useragent.extra.seamonkey  SeaMonkey/1.1.14

Any suggestions?

it looks the same to me in IE7 as it does in SM 1.1.14.

Perhaps the suggestions here might help:

http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Websites+look+wrong

If not, then post a screenshot of what you see, cause I sure don't 
see anything wrong.




Using SeaMonkey 1.1.13 on Linux, if I just increase the font size a
little, everything gets hosed. Try Ctrl+Plus a couple or three times
and you should see it.


Just a fact: this site, as others which do not display properly with 
1.1.14 displays properly with 1.1.13 on XP. As an individual user, I 
care mostly about seeing sites, even poorly written, properly.


As an individual user, I care about using an up to date browser with 
it's vulnerabilities fixed, whether it's SM or IE. My preference is SM, 
but it doesn't work well enough, and that is very few times a year, I'll 
try IE 7. Usually, that doesn't work any better, and I return to SM. 
This particular web site has an extraordinarily different appearance 
between the two browser.


It is a difficult issue for developers, but until there is an Internet 
police, the user is king ...


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Displaying UUencoded .jpg in news articles

[Rostyslaw Lewyckyj]

This is a continuation of an old problem
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:38:29  in an Article titled
Displaying UUencoded jpg attachments in newsarticles ??
Message-ID: 
in the newsgroup mozilla.support.seamonkey
I wrote:

 I have view attachments in line checked.
 I retrieve a news article which has a UUencoded .jpg attached
 Instead of a picture I get the little broken picture icon.
 If I File the article to a folder in Local_Folders and then click on
the article  in the Local_Folder it opens AND DISPLAYS the picture
in-line just fine!

 What options or settings or code do I have to correct,
? so that the .jpg  attachments will display directly
  without needing to go through  all the folderoll?

Stanimir Stamenkov  kindly replied:

I have no (never had) problem view uuencoded pictures inline using
SeaMonkey (Mozilla Mail).  You may check a test post I've just made
over in the mozilla.test.multimedia group: "Uuencode test".  It might
be the attachment is bigger and you need to wait for it more to load
and appear.  The text part usually appears immediately.


I retrieved his posting from the test group and indeed it displayed
just fine!

At that time I was using SM 1.0.7 and thought that perhaps whatever
Had been fixed since.

HOWEVER
I am now using SM 1.1.14 and I am still having problems!

Here are some more details about the problem(s)

1) System is Win98se with  SM 1.1.14 and Outlook Express 6
(6.00.2800.1123)
2) The problem seems to only affect articles and pictures
 from before approximately July 2007.
4) NOTE When I retrieve the article using OE, the pictures display
 just  fine
5) With SM:
 5.1) When I retrieve such articles, I now get a little icon
  with a red dot (not period) , rather than a broken picture icon.
 5.2) When I display the message source (CTRL-U),
 I can see the UUencoded text for the jpg.
 5.3) When I click on the little icon and try to show the picture,
  then I get a blank browser screen
 5.4) When I try to open from the little icon in the attachments box
  I mostly get an error message saying that the message is unavailable
  'perhaps expired'

For Dennis and whose ever retention is that long, here are examples:
newsgroup alt.graphics.illustrator, articles:

Subject: - bakker.jpg (1/1) Anybody knows how to achieve this effect?
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 18:40:52 +0200
From: Jack Daniels 
Message-ID: <060620061840523986%jack.dani...@nospamtv5.com>
Xref: bigfeed.bellsouth.net alt.graphics.illustrator:170447
- and --
Subject: - bakker.jpg (1/1) Second try. Attachment didn't make it
  on some servers
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 23:45:20 +0200
From: Jack Daniels 
Message-ID: <060620062345208748%jack.dani...@nospamtv5.com>
Xref: bigfeed.bellsouth.net alt.graphics.illustrator:170454
-
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To Daniel, Re: cross posting ???

[Rostyslaw Lewyckyj]

Daniel wrote:

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

SM 1.1.14 on Win98se.
I wanted to cross post an article to
mozilla.support.seamonkey  and bellsouth.net.support.news-service.
The news server  newsgroups.bellsouth.net carries both groups
and I am subscribed to the mozilla.support.seamonkey newsgroup
on both servers.
However connected to the server newsgroups.bellsouth.net,
when I tried to cross post my article, I received the error
message that I can not post an article to two servers!
I had to post the article separately to each group!

What's going on? Why was SM checking the mozilla server
subscription list?


Rostyslaw, when this news server was set up, it's groups were to be 
copied to Google-groups for archiving purposes, but they were never 
meant to make it to the Usenet servers, but somehow they did.


I did find several of the Mozilla groups on my Usenet server, Teranews, 
and there were posts being made to the groups, even posts about 
Thunderbird Bug Days.


I think I eventually reported these bogus groups to the real server 
groups, and, eventually, the bogus groups disappeared from my Usenet 
server!!


Maybe you need to do the same!!

Daniel


Well maybe that explains another slightly different aspect. :-(
So you say that these newsgroups should not be propagating to the net! ???

Mozilla.support.seamonkey was added to server newsgroups.bellsouth.net
on 9/23/08 and receiving messages from wherever until 1/20/09.
No newer messages until my message
-
Message-ID: <498e7199.7060...@bellsouth.net>
From: "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" 
Reply-To: urj...@bellsouth.net
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.8.1.19) 
Gecko/20081204 SeaMonkey/1.1.14

MIME-Version: 1.0
Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey
Subject: Displaying UUencoded .jpg in news articles
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 00:46:01 -0500
---

Which shows up on the local server, BUT NOT in news.mozilla.org!
I do wonder, how many of the articles in the group, between 9/23/08
and 1/20/09 on the local server, suffered a similar fate.
 i.e. severely restricted distribution.

I don't understand your definition of _bogus_.
And I will of course resend the missing article to this server.

On Friday evening I wrote to our news administrators complaining
about the sudden stop in articles to mozilla.support.seamonkey
on 1/20/09 on the local server.
Now I'll have to write them that they need to delete, expunge,
the newsgroup on the local server and block accepting any attempts
to post to the newsgroup? OR What is the proper solution?

This, of course, does not solve the more general cross posting
problems . It only hints at how deep the pile is. :-\
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Re: Click here to remove all expired articles

[Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo]

Ray_Net wrote:


No way  expired articles are still there.

Peter (Potamus)  what's your idea ? a problem at the news-server of 
my isp ?


sorry, but I don't know why the postings are still 
there.  They should be removed if you click on that 
"remove messages".


So, a couple of things to try.  First, close SM, then 
look at the .rc file for that server.  Its located in 
the News section of the profile.  Open that file, and 
in it you will find a line like this:


mozilla.support.seamonkey: 1-36817,36819-36827

What you want to do it remove everything between 1- and 
the last number, so you will have this:


mozilla.support.seamonkey: 1-36827

restart SM.  Did this fix everything? If not, then try 
clicking on the remove messages link.


If it still didn't work, then close SM, and remove the 
*.msf file for that newsgroup. Restart SM.  Did that work?


If not, then I have no idea from here on out.

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except for some strange reason, not to the mozilla.org 
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Re: Click here to remove all expired articles

[Rostyslaw Lewyckyj]

Ray_Net wrote:

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

On the same news-server ...
Clicking "Click here to remove all expired articles" works for a 
group and did not work for another group.

Any idea about the origin of this problem ?


I don't understand.  You have two newsgroups and you see a posting 
in one of the newsgroups that says to remove all expired articles, 
and you expect it to remove them from the other newsgroup.  Is 
that what you're saying? If so, then it won't. It only works for 
the current group you're in.



No no ... perhaps i had not explained enough :-)

Server: news.scarlet.nl - Group a: Name = scarlet.be.general
Server: news.scarlet.nl - Group b: Name = alt.binaries.fr.humour

Both group shows old posts with "Click here to remove all expired 
articles"


When i click for the Group b: all goes well and the old posts 
dissapeared.


When i click for the Group a: nothing happen the old posts are 
still there with the "Click here to remove all expired articles" 
sentence - gr... :-)


May be it's because the Group a: is a local group
(if you post on it, only who use/access from news.scarlet.nl can 
see it)
(if you post on it from another independant newsserver (per example 
news.stben.net), ... everybody can see it)


When you hover (hold your mouse pointer over) over the "Click here",
does your SeaMonkey display a URL/URI in the area on the bottom of
your screen? This is similar to what happens when you point to a link
on a web page!
If so what are those URLs/URIs?  (please post)
Are they the same, except for the newsgroup names?
What happens if you enter them manually in the Browser?


The url: news://news.scarlet.be/alt.binaries.fr.humour?list-ids
WORKS OK if i enter it manually in the Browser

The url: news://news.scarlet.be/scarlet.be.general?list-ids
DID NOT WORK if i enter it manually in the Browser


I get the same type of URIs when I try to load an expired
(or sometimes a _temporarily_ not found) message from a newsgroup
and point at the "click here to remove all expired messages...".
When I enter the URI manually in browser url box, SM opens a new
Mail & Newsgroup window and downloads a full refresh of the articles
available for that newsgroup.
To best see this choose to view all article headers and sort them
by date. Save. Then enter the URI command news://... in the browser
and compare the newly downloaded article list with the old list.
Usually if articles have indeed been expired, you will see this
difference at the top of the list.
Note: Above I wrote (or sometimes a _temporarily_ not found)!
Sometimes, for some reason, an article becomes _temporarily_
irretrievable. Usually trying again a little later, retrieves
the article just fine! Why??? Perhaps someone wiser than I
can answer that one. :-)


No way  expired articles are still there.

Peter (Potamus)  what's your idea ? a problem at the news-server of 
my isp ?


It just occurred to me . What do you mean by expired??
1. The article has been removed from the server, but the header is 
still in the list on your computer. I.e. you are trying to retrieve

an article not on the server.
2. The article body been removed from the server, but the header is 
still there on the server?  (mismatch condition on the server)

3. Something in the article states that the article is supposed to be
considered out of date (expired) as of a certain date+time, but the
article is still there on the server.

That URI only affects case 1. i.e. it refreshes your local list.
It does not, can not, affect the articles that are actually on the
server.
2. is definitely an error condition on the server. It should probably
be reported, with details, to the news server administrator.
3. is just information for the human reader. The article will delete
automatically from the server when it has reached the server policy
retention age, or someone (administrator) manually removes it earlier.
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Re: cross posting ???

[Rostyslaw Lewyckyj]

NoOp wrote:

On 02/08/2009 12:34 AM, Jens Hatlak wrote:

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

However connected to the server newsgroups.bellsouth.net,
when I tried to cross post my article, I received the error
message that I can not post an article to two servers!
I had to post the article separately to each group!

It's a known problem (bug 230899).

Greetings,

Jens



https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=230899

Makes it easier for those not familiar with bugzilla to look up.


I went to that link and it appears that I am being hit with the
double whammy. :-( .
I.e. Original error (design problem) and then the bug described
in comment #10.

To recapitulate:
Server A carries group   x
  I am subscribed to x on A.
Server B carries groups  x and y
  I am subscribed to x and y on B
I connect to server B and attempt to post a message cross posted to x 
and y.


1. I get hit multiple times with can't save message to drafts while
composing my message!
2. I can't post my message

Reading the comments I can now see into the design problem.
The devil is in the details. Who gets to reject messages and why. :-/
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Re: Site problem: is it my setup or the site? Seamonkey 1.1.14

[David E. Ross]

On 2/8/2009 3:29 PM, Mark Hansen wrote [in part]:
> 
> I've seen some
> sites designed with IE in mind and no interest at all in getting them
> to work with any other clients.

True but sad.  The various versions of IE account for a steadily
declining share of the browser market.  IE now has only 45% to 60% of
the market, depending on who is measuring.

When businesses allow Web developers to create Web sites focused on IE,
I chacterize that as tying "their Internet presence . . . to a 'fading
star'."  They are ignoring 40% to 55% of their potential
customer-audience.

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Re: When will SM2 come out?

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 08/02/09 09:46, Jens Hatlak wrote:

Tony Mechelynck wrote:

On 05/02/09 00:22, Jens Hatlak wrote:

Stéphane Grégoire wrote:

The only thing which is boring is the Ctrl Maj T doesn't work.


If you mean Ctrl+Shift+T (Undo Close Tab), that should work. At least it
does here, but I have to admit that I'm using a current nightly build
rather than an Alpha. Alpha 3 is expected in a few weeks, though. Stay
tuned. :-)


Yeah, Maj[uscule] (meaning upper-case) is the French name of the Shift
key. And VerrMaj and VerrNum are CapsLock and NumLock respectively
(from verr[ouillage] = locking). On my copy of SeaMonkey, Ctrl+Shift+T
triggers a Duplicate Tab operation (Note: Duplicate Tab is one of my
installed extensions).


I also have Duplicate Tab installed, though only in SM 1.1.x. I used
KeyConfig to reclaim Ctrl+Shift+T for Undo Close Tab (the extension) and
set Duplicate Tab to Ctrl+Alt+Shift+Tab (admitted, I use it much less
than Undo Close Tab). KeyConfig also works with SM2 nightlies (I have
compatibility checking off, don't know if that's needed for this
extension) so the same should be possible there. I just used it to
unbind Ctrl+M from Stylish (since the general request [1] shows no
progress).


I have keyconfig; it claims support of Toolkit 1.9a8 to 1.9.0.3, which 
means a compatibility override is needed in current nightlies (built 
upon Gecko 1.9.1b3pre). But it works, I have used it for other 
keystrokes, e.g. programming "GoToInbox" and "GoToJunk" functions in the 
mailer (it's of course trickier when the function doesn't preexist).




[1] 

HTH

Jens



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Re: When will SM2 come out?

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 07/02/09 16:05, Robert Kaiser wrote:

Tony Mechelynck wrote:

Yeah, Maj[uscule] (meaning upper-case) is the French name of the Shift
key. And VerrMaj and VerrNum are CapsLock and NumLock respectively (from
verr[ouillage] = locking). On my copy of SeaMonkey, Ctrl+Shift+T
triggers a Duplicate Tab operation (Note: Duplicate Tab is one of my
installed extensions).


Sounds like the extension is bad by overriding the SeaMonkey setting for
this key combination.

Robert Kaiser


I guess I could change this (if it annoyed me badly enough) by means of 
the keyconfig extension (which is also installed here); but in practice 
I don't need these keyboard shortcuts. Stéphane might want to do it, though.


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Re: cross posting ???

[Daniel]

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

SM 1.1.14 on Win98se.
I wanted to cross post an article to
mozilla.support.seamonkey  and bellsouth.net.support.news-service.
The news server  newsgroups.bellsouth.net carries both groups
and I am subscribed to the mozilla.support.seamonkey newsgroup
on both servers.
However connected to the server newsgroups.bellsouth.net,
when I tried to cross post my article, I received the error
message that I can not post an article to two servers!
I had to post the article separately to each group!

What's going on? Why was SM checking the mozilla server
subscription list?


Rostyslaw, when this news server was set up, it's groups were to be 
copied to Google-groups for archiving purposes, but they were never 
meant to make it to the Usenet servers, but somehow they did.


I did find several of the Mozilla groups on my Usenet server, Teranews, 
and there were posts being made to the groups, even posts about 
Thunderbird Bug Days.


I think I eventually reported these bogus groups to the real server 
groups, and, eventually, the bogus groups disappeared from my Usenet 
server!!


Maybe you need to do the same!!

Daniel
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Re: Does this mean we're about to have SM 1.1.15?

[Benoit Renard]

Jim S wrote:

Why are you/they faffing about with 1.1.anything when 2.0a2 actually works
better?


I don't know about you, but I don't like my suite to eat my e-mail. 
Basically, it's not stable.

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Re: Site problem: is it my setup or the site? Seamonkey 1.1.14

[Mark Hansen]

On 02/08/09 11:59, John Doue wrote:
> Mark Hansen wrote:
>> On 02/08/09 10:22, John Doue wrote:
>>> Mark Hansen wrote:
 On 02/07/09 23:29, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
> flyguy wrote:
>> This site
>>
>> http://www.sciencedebate2008.com/www/index.php
>>
>> displays very poorly. The menu bar is fine, but the rest of it is mostly 
>> off-screen to the right. There is no horizontal scroll bar, so it's 
>> impossible to read. My other computer with SM 1.1.14 does the same 
>> thing; IE 7 displays it properly.
>>
>> I've tried disabling McAfee security, allowing all cookies, popups and 
>> images, but no joy. My useragent strings are
>>
>> general.useragent.extra.Firefox  Firefox/2.0
>> general.useragent.extra.seamonkey  SeaMonkey/1.1.14
>>
>> Any suggestions?
> it looks the same to me in IE7 as it does in SM 1.1.14.
>
> Perhaps the suggestions here might help:
>
> http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Websites+look+wrong
>
> If not, then post a screenshot of what you see, cause I 
> sure don't see anything wrong.
>
 Using SeaMonkey 1.1.13 on Linux, if I just increase the font size a
 little, everything gets hosed. Try Ctrl+Plus a couple or three times
 and you should see it.
>>> Just a fact: this site, as others which do not display properly with 
>>> 1.1.14 displays properly with 1.1.13 on XP.
>> 
>> Just a fact: I viewed the site referenced by the OP on SeaMonkey 1.1.13
>> on Windows/XP, increased the font size by one step and it went bonkers.
>> 
>>>   As an individual user, I
>>> care mostly about seeing sites, even poorly written, properly.
>> 
>> Well, good luck with that. The problem is that many site developers don't
>> understand what is needed to design their application to work on multiple
>> browsers. They test that it runs on their browser of choice (usually, IE)
>> and others are left to chance.
>> 
> You are right of course, and it is a shame. But it is a fact of life, 
> and using a browser which won't display properly a poorly written page 
> does not do any good any body ...

So if the poorly written site (in your example) was to output the site
content completely in Martian pig latin, should a "good" browser be able
to figure that out as well?

The fact is that good browsers understand good content. If a site designer
designs a site which produces garbage, he gets was he designs.


>> 
>>> It is a difficult issue for developers, but until there is an Internet 
>>> police, the user is king ...
>> 
>> So, as a user, what can you do? You can certainly contact the site
>> developer and let them know about their site's shortcoming. You can
>> view their site with *their* preferred browser. You can boycott their
>> site.
> 
> You forgot the obvious option: using a SM version which is more tolerant 
> to code errors or oversights. 1.1.13 seems ok to me in this respect and 
> I went back from 14 to 13 for that very reason. Selfishly, I use the 
> tool that best fits my needs.

How is that selfish? Use the tools that fit your needs.

>Ideally, I want to be the one who decides
> which sites I won't look at because they are poorly written. Using the 
> latest version is of no interest to me, per se.

You *are* the one that decides which sites you'll look at. No one is
twisting your arm to use any particular client. Use whatever you want.

> 
> Contacting the developer? That certainly is the most useful thing to do, 
> provided one has the required qualifications and expertise. I certainly 
> don't. But meanwhile, being able to more or less properly see a 
> imperfect site seems to be a good compromise.

Most sties include a link to contact the web developer with problems
regarding the site. You can send them a message and explain that in
your browser of choice, their site exhibits problems (which you should
enumerate to them).

Whether they do anything about it is another issue. I've seen some
sites designed with IE in mind and no interest at all in getting them
to work with any other clients.

> 
> I even recently came across a site from a very well known Finnish mobile 
> phone company whose French sites display properly in SM, but do not let 
> me log in when I provide the proper identification. I tried the same 
> site with FF 2.0.20 same result. Eventually,  I tried with IE, and 
> there, I was able to access on first try.
> 
> All this is very frustrating and I sympathize with the compromises 
> developers must make. But I make my owns too!
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bookmarks

[Bud and Jean Eason]

To use Facebook I have to use Firefox (won't work with SeaMonkey) and in 
going to Bookmarks in Firefox it moved my old and not complete Bookmarks 
to SeaMonkey.  How can I get my new and complete SeaMonkey Bookmarks 
back? Jean

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Re: Click here to remove all expired articles

[Ray_Net]

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

On the same news-server ...
Clicking "Click here to remove all expired articles" works for a 
group and did not work for another group.

Any idea about the origin of this problem ?


I don't understand.  You have two newsgroups and you see a posting 
in one of the newsgroups that says to remove all expired articles, 
and you expect it to remove them from the other newsgroup.  Is that 
what you're saying? If so, then it won't. It only works for the 
current group you're in.



No no ... perhaps i had not explained enough :-)

Server: news.scarlet.nl - Group a: Name = scarlet.be.general
Server: news.scarlet.nl - Group b: Name = alt.binaries.fr.humour

Both group shows old posts with "Click here to remove all expired 
articles"


When i click for the Group b: all goes well and the old posts 
dissapeared.


When i click for the Group a: nothing happen the old posts are still 
there with the "Click here to remove all expired articles" sentence 
- gr... :-)


May be it's because the Group a: is a local group
(if you post on it, only who use/access from news.scarlet.nl can see 
it)
(if you post on it from another independant newsserver (per example 
news.stben.net), ... everybody can see it)


When you hover (hold your mouse pointer over) over the "Click here",
does your SeaMonkey display a URL/URI in the area on the bottom of
your screen? This is similar to what happens when you point to a link
on a web page!
If so what are those URLs/URIs?  (please post)
Are they the same, except for the newsgroup names?
What happens if you enter them manually in the Browser?


The url: news://news.scarlet.be/alt.binaries.fr.humour?list-ids
WORKS OK if i enter it manually in the Browser

The url: news://news.scarlet.be/scarlet.be.general?list-ids
DID NOT WORK if i enter it manually in the Browser


I get the same type of URIs when I try to load an expired
(or sometimes a _temporarily_ not found) message from a newsgroup
and point at the "click here to remove all expired messages...".
When I enter the URI manually in browser url box, SM opens a new
Mail & Newsgroup window and downloads a full refresh of the articles
available for that newsgroup.
To best see this choose to view all article headers and sort them
by date. Save. Then enter the URI command news://... in the browser
and compare the newly downloaded article list with the old list.
Usually if articles have indeed been expired, you will see this
difference at the top of the list.
Note: Above I wrote (or sometimes a _temporarily_ not found)!
Sometimes, for some reason, an article becomes _temporarily_
irretrievable. Usually trying again a little later, retrieves
the article just fine! Why??? Perhaps someone wiser than I
can answer that one. :-)


No way  expired articles are still there.

Peter (Potamus)  what's your idea ? a problem at the news-server of 
my isp ?

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Re: Runtime Error!

[NoOp]

On 02/08/2009 10:26 AM, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
> Ken wrote:
>> Hi.  Have SM 1.1.11 and Windows XP Home.  A friend overseas sent me the 
>> following link to a 'Berlin exhibition': 
>> http://video.spiegel.de/flash/48925_996x560_VP6_928.flv
>> 
>> But I get a Microsoft Visual C++Runtime Library error message saying:
>> Runtime Error!
>> Program: C:\Program Files\mozila.org\SeaMonkey\SeaMonkey.exe
>> R6034
>> An application has made an attempt to load the C runtime library 
>> incorrectly.
>> Please contact the application's support team for more information.
>> 
>> Can anybody here tell me what to do?!  Ring Microsoft perhaps?
>> 
>> Thanks - Ken (in Oz)
> 
> have you got adobe flash installed? If not, then you 
> need it: http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/
> 

I think one of the problems may be that it is a .flv flash rather than a
.swf which the Adobe flashplayer is built for. When I check the link it
uses mplayer (linux) to open my local flash player rather than Adobe's
flashplayer. To correct that you need to have MIME type video/x-flv
defined for flashplaer.

http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flv/

My flashplayer has:
Shockwave Flash

File name: /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so
Shockwave Flash 10.0 r15

MIME Type   Description SuffixesEnabled
application/x-shockwave-flash   Shockwave Flash swf Yes
application/futuresplashFutureSplash Player spl Yes

For video/x-flv my system uses mplayer:

mplayerplug-in 3.55

File name: /home/gg2xp/.mozilla/plugins/mplayerplug-in.so
mplayerplug-in 3.55

Video Player Plug-in for QuickTime, RealPlayer and Windows Media
Player streams using MPlayer
JavaScript Enabled and Using GTK2 Widgets
MIME Type   Description SuffixesEnabled
video/x-flv Flash Video flv Yes

So I _think_ he'd need to check his about:plugins to see if there is
anything associated with video/x-flv or "application/x-flash-video".

For Ken: You can download the .flv file and play locally. I've looked at
it/played it and it's fine. Just be aware that it's a 22Mb video, so if
you are on dialup it will take quite awhile to download.



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Re: Site problem: is it my setup or the site? Seamonkey 1.1.14

[robert . gault]

flyguy wrote:

This site

http://www.sciencedebate2008.com/www/index.php

displays very poorly. The menu bar is fine, but the rest of it is mostly 
off-screen to the right. There is no horizontal scroll bar, so it's 
impossible to read. My other computer with SM 1.1.14 does the same 
thing; IE 7 displays it properly.


I've tried disabling McAfee security, allowing all cookies, popups and 
images, but no joy. My useragent strings are


general.useragent.extra.Firefox  Firefox/2.0
general.useragent.extra.seamonkey  SeaMonkey/1.1.14

Any suggestions?


Perhaps the site has been changed but it displays perfectly for me with 
Seamonkey 1.1.14, WinXP, at a desktop resolution of 1024x768. There is 
no horizontal scroll bar and no need for one.


Tools/Web Development gives only 3 warnings.
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Re: Does this mean we're about to have SM 1.1.15?

[JeffM]

>NoOp wrote:
>>Most WinXP apps run just fine in Win2K - but I never
>>could get Silverlight to run (think the threads regarding Olympics...)
>>on Win2K.
>>
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>I know that this isn't what you want to hear but, . . .
>"anything that runs on xp
>"should" have no problems running on win2k
>seeing as though win2k is what xp is built on."
>http://club.cdfreaks.com/f3/how-run-xp-only-app-under-windows-2000-a-139888/
>
...unless M$ chooses to break things for backwards-compatibility.
(Silverlight is a M$ format
and can be expected to work only on M$'s *currently-supported* OSes)
http://google.com/search?q=cache:u9rayVTRzj0J:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silverlight+Moonlight+inc+inc+inc+*-2000+*-XP+*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-antitrust-*-*-*-*-*-*#Compatibility
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Re: Site problem: is it my setup or the site? Seamonkey 1.1.14

[John Doue]

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 02/08/09 10:22, John Doue wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 02/07/09 23:29, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:

flyguy wrote:

This site

http://www.sciencedebate2008.com/www/index.php

displays very poorly. The menu bar is fine, but the rest of it is mostly 
off-screen to the right. There is no horizontal scroll bar, so it's 
impossible to read. My other computer with SM 1.1.14 does the same 
thing; IE 7 displays it properly.


I've tried disabling McAfee security, allowing all cookies, popups and 
images, but no joy. My useragent strings are


general.useragent.extra.Firefox  Firefox/2.0
general.useragent.extra.seamonkey  SeaMonkey/1.1.14

Any suggestions?

it looks the same to me in IE7 as it does in SM 1.1.14.

Perhaps the suggestions here might help:

http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Websites+look+wrong

If not, then post a screenshot of what you see, cause I 
sure don't see anything wrong.



Using SeaMonkey 1.1.13 on Linux, if I just increase the font size a
little, everything gets hosed. Try Ctrl+Plus a couple or three times
and you should see it.
Just a fact: this site, as others which do not display properly with 
1.1.14 displays properly with 1.1.13 on XP.


Just a fact: I viewed the site referenced by the OP on SeaMonkey 1.1.13
on Windows/XP, increased the font size by one step and it went bonkers.


  As an individual user, I
care mostly about seeing sites, even poorly written, properly.


Well, good luck with that. The problem is that many site developers don't
understand what is needed to design their application to work on multiple
browsers. They test that it runs on their browser of choice (usually, IE)
and others are left to chance.

You are right of course, and it is a shame. But it is a fact of life, 
and using a browser which won't display properly a poorly written page 
does not do any good any body ...


It is a difficult issue for developers, but until there is an Internet 
police, the user is king ...


So, as a user, what can you do? You can certainly contact the site
developer and let them know about their site's shortcoming. You can
view their site with *their* preferred browser. You can boycott their
site.


You forgot the obvious option: using a SM version which is more tolerant 
to code errors or oversights. 1.1.13 seems ok to me in this respect and 
I went back from 14 to 13 for that very reason. Selfishly, I use the 
tool that best fits my needs. Ideally, I want to be the one who decides 
which sites I won't look at because they are poorly written. Using the 
latest version is of no interest to me, per se.


Contacting the developer? That certainly is the most useful thing to do, 
provided one has the required qualifications and expertise. I certainly 
don't. But meanwhile, being able to more or less properly see a 
imperfect site seems to be a good compromise.


I even recently came across a site from a very well known Finnish mobile 
phone company whose French sites display properly in SM, but do not let 
me log in when I provide the proper identification. I tried the same 
site with FF 2.0.20 same result. Eventually,  I tried with IE, and 
there, I was able to access on first try.


All this is very frustrating and I sympathize with the compromises 
developers must make. But I make my owns too!

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Re: cross posting ???

[NoOp]

On 02/08/2009 12:34 AM, Jens Hatlak wrote:
> Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:
>> However connected to the server newsgroups.bellsouth.net,
>> when I tried to cross post my article, I received the error
>> message that I can not post an article to two servers!
>> I had to post the article separately to each group!
> 
> It's a known problem (bug 230899).
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Jens
> 

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=230899

Makes it easier for those not familiar with bugzilla to look up.

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Re: Runtime Error!

[Jens Hatlak]

Ken wrote:
at one point I got a scary 
message about 'Be careful!  This configuration page contains settings 
that keep this application working properly. Modifying these settings 
may cause problems ...'.


You're probably referring to the screen that appears when you go to 
about:config. That warning is meant to make people not change arbitrary 
settings they know nothing about. If you change only specific settings 
that are safe to be changed (like the one I named, 
plugin.expose_full_path) you can do no harm. Trust me.


I don't want any dramas at this time, when I 
have a publisher's deadline looming ...


Sure, choose your time.

HTH

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Re: Site problem: is it my setup or the site? Seamonkey 1.1.14

[Mark Hansen]

On 02/08/09 10:22, John Doue wrote:
> Mark Hansen wrote:
>> On 02/07/09 23:29, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>>> flyguy wrote:
 This site

 http://www.sciencedebate2008.com/www/index.php

 displays very poorly. The menu bar is fine, but the rest of it is mostly 
 off-screen to the right. There is no horizontal scroll bar, so it's 
 impossible to read. My other computer with SM 1.1.14 does the same 
 thing; IE 7 displays it properly.

 I've tried disabling McAfee security, allowing all cookies, popups and 
 images, but no joy. My useragent strings are

 general.useragent.extra.Firefox  Firefox/2.0
 general.useragent.extra.seamonkey  SeaMonkey/1.1.14

 Any suggestions?
>>> it looks the same to me in IE7 as it does in SM 1.1.14.
>>>
>>> Perhaps the suggestions here might help:
>>>
>>> http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Websites+look+wrong
>>>
>>> If not, then post a screenshot of what you see, cause I 
>>> sure don't see anything wrong.
>>>
>> 
>> Using SeaMonkey 1.1.13 on Linux, if I just increase the font size a
>> little, everything gets hosed. Try Ctrl+Plus a couple or three times
>> and you should see it.
> 
> Just a fact: this site, as others which do not display properly with 
> 1.1.14 displays properly with 1.1.13 on XP.

Just a fact: I viewed the site referenced by the OP on SeaMonkey 1.1.13
on Windows/XP, increased the font size by one step and it went bonkers.

>   As an individual user, I
> care mostly about seeing sites, even poorly written, properly.

Well, good luck with that. The problem is that many site developers don't
understand what is needed to design their application to work on multiple
browsers. They test that it runs on their browser of choice (usually, IE)
and others are left to chance.



> 
> It is a difficult issue for developers, but until there is an Internet 
> police, the user is king ...

So, as a user, what can you do? You can certainly contact the site
developer and let them know about their site's shortcoming. You can
view their site with *their* preferred browser. You can boycott their
site.
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Re: Site problem: is it my setup or the site? Seamonkey 1.1.14

[David E. Ross]

On 2/8/2009 10:22 AM, John Doue wrote:
> Mark Hansen wrote:
>> On 02/07/09 23:29, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>>> flyguy wrote:
 This site

 http://www.sciencedebate2008.com/www/index.php

 displays very poorly. The menu bar is fine, but the rest of it is mostly 
 off-screen to the right. There is no horizontal scroll bar, so it's 
 impossible to read. My other computer with SM 1.1.14 does the same 
 thing; IE 7 displays it properly.

 I've tried disabling McAfee security, allowing all cookies, popups and 
 images, but no joy. My useragent strings are

 general.useragent.extra.Firefox  Firefox/2.0
 general.useragent.extra.seamonkey  SeaMonkey/1.1.14

 Any suggestions?
>>> it looks the same to me in IE7 as it does in SM 1.1.14.
>>>
>>> Perhaps the suggestions here might help:
>>>
>>> http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Websites+look+wrong
>>>
>>> If not, then post a screenshot of what you see, cause I 
>>> sure don't see anything wrong.
>>>
>> Using SeaMonkey 1.1.13 on Linux, if I just increase the font size a
>> little, everything gets hosed. Try Ctrl+Plus a couple or three times
>> and you should see it.
> 
> Just a fact: this site, as others which do not display properly with 
> 1.1.14 displays properly with 1.1.13 on XP. As an individual user, I 
> care mostly about seeing sites, even poorly written, properly.
> 
> It is a difficult issue for developers, but until there is an Internet 
> police, the user is king ...

Part of the problem is that the page was written for a particular screen
size or resolution and with a specific font size.  If your browser
window is smaller than maximized and has less than 1024x768 resolution,
there will be a horizontal scrollbar.  Of course, that resolution
requires making fonts larger, which then causes display problems.  It's
just a poorly designed page.

-- 
David E. Ross


Go to Mozdev at  for quick access to
extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other
Mozilla-related applications.  You can access Mozdev much
more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons.
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Re: Site problem: is it my setup or the site? Seamonkey 1.1.14

[John Doue]

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 02/07/09 23:29, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:

flyguy wrote:

This site

http://www.sciencedebate2008.com/www/index.php

displays very poorly. The menu bar is fine, but the rest of it is mostly 
off-screen to the right. There is no horizontal scroll bar, so it's 
impossible to read. My other computer with SM 1.1.14 does the same 
thing; IE 7 displays it properly.


I've tried disabling McAfee security, allowing all cookies, popups and 
images, but no joy. My useragent strings are


general.useragent.extra.Firefox  Firefox/2.0
general.useragent.extra.seamonkey  SeaMonkey/1.1.14

Any suggestions?

it looks the same to me in IE7 as it does in SM 1.1.14.

Perhaps the suggestions here might help:

http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Websites+look+wrong

If not, then post a screenshot of what you see, cause I 
sure don't see anything wrong.




Using SeaMonkey 1.1.13 on Linux, if I just increase the font size a
little, everything gets hosed. Try Ctrl+Plus a couple or three times
and you should see it.


Just a fact: this site, as others which do not display properly with 
1.1.14 displays properly with 1.1.13 on XP. As an individual user, I 
care mostly about seeing sites, even poorly written, properly.


It is a difficult issue for developers, but until there is an Internet 
police, the user is king ...

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Re: Runtime Error!

[Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo]

Ken wrote:
Hi.  Have SM 1.1.11 and Windows XP Home.  A friend overseas sent me the 
following link to a 'Berlin exhibition': 
http://video.spiegel.de/flash/48925_996x560_VP6_928.flv


But I get a Microsoft Visual C++Runtime Library error message saying:
Runtime Error!
Program: C:\Program Files\mozila.org\SeaMonkey\SeaMonkey.exe
R6034
An application has made an attempt to load the C runtime library 
incorrectly.

Please contact the application's support team for more information.

Can anybody here tell me what to do?!  Ring Microsoft perhaps?

Thanks - Ken (in Oz)


have you got adobe flash installed? If not, then you 
need it: http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/


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Re: Site problem: is it my setup or the site? Seamonkey 1.1.14

[David E. Ross]

On 2/7/2009 10:10 PM, flyguy wrote:
> This site
> 
> http://www.sciencedebate2008.com/www/index.php
> 
> displays very poorly. The menu bar is fine, but the rest of it is mostly 
> off-screen to the right. There is no horizontal scroll bar, so it's 
> impossible to read. My other computer with SM 1.1.14 does the same 
> thing; IE 7 displays it properly.
> 
> I've tried disabling McAfee security, allowing all cookies, popups and 
> images, but no joy. My useragent strings are
> 
> general.useragent.extra.Firefox  Firefox/2.0
> general.useragent.extra.seamonkey  SeaMonkey/1.1.14
> 
> Any suggestions?


23 XHTML errors.  Garbage in = garbage out.

IE 7 tries to guess what the Web author means when there are errors.
Gecko (used by SeaMonkey, Firefox, etc) also guesses, but differently.

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Mozilla-related applications.  You can access Mozdev much
more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons.
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Re: No 2nd machine Users for SM? Mac

[Hartmut Figge]

Tom Coradeschi:
>At 07:23 PM -1000 02/06/2009, Geoff Welsh wrote:

>>But SM doesn't work!
>>It brings up a funny old style looking window with a bottom pane 
>>saying "parsing error" and there are no functions across the 
>>menu bar. It's totally blank.
>>
>>Anyone know why this is?
>
>No clue. What version of SM? We have never seen that with any of the 
>1.1.x releases, nor the 2.0ax releases.

The description reminds me of a window like this one *g*
http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/net070427.png (28 KB)

Sometimes a have seen this, here is another Screenshot, an old one.

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9a1) Gecko/20060918
Mnenhy/0.7.4.10002 SeaMonkey/1.5a

http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/xml20060919.png (3 KB)

Hartmut
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Re: No 2nd machine Users for SM? Mac

[Tom Coradeschi]

At 07:23 PM -1000 02/06/2009, Geoff Welsh wrote:

on both my Macs (G4, and G5 PPC OSX 10.4)...

When you create a second (machine) User account, the new user can 
launch any App loaded on the machine and it starts up in a virgin 
state, and they can customize it as they please.  This works for FF, 
Camino, iTunes, Safari...


But SM doesn't work!
It brings up a funny old style looking window with a bottom pane 
saying "parsing error" and there are no functions across the 
menu bar. It's totally blank.


Anyone know why this is?


No clue. What version of SM? We have never seen that with any of the 
1.1.x releases, nor the 2.0ax releases.

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Re: Site problem: is it my setup or the site? Seamonkey 1.1.14

[Mark Hansen]

On 02/07/09 23:29, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
> flyguy wrote:
>> This site
>> 
>> http://www.sciencedebate2008.com/www/index.php
>> 
>> displays very poorly. The menu bar is fine, but the rest of it is mostly 
>> off-screen to the right. There is no horizontal scroll bar, so it's 
>> impossible to read. My other computer with SM 1.1.14 does the same 
>> thing; IE 7 displays it properly.
>> 
>> I've tried disabling McAfee security, allowing all cookies, popups and 
>> images, but no joy. My useragent strings are
>> 
>> general.useragent.extra.Firefox  Firefox/2.0
>> general.useragent.extra.seamonkey  SeaMonkey/1.1.14
>> 
>> Any suggestions?
> 
> it looks the same to me in IE7 as it does in SM 1.1.14.
> 
> Perhaps the suggestions here might help:
> 
> http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Websites+look+wrong
> 
> If not, then post a screenshot of what you see, cause I 
> sure don't see anything wrong.
> 

Using SeaMonkey 1.1.13 on Linux, if I just increase the font size a
little, everything gets hosed. Try Ctrl+Plus a couple or three times
and you should see it.
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Re: Runtime Error!

[Ken]

Ken (in Oz) here.  Thanks both Philip and Jens.  But sorry, it all gets 
a little too technical for me, especially as at one point I got a scary 
message about 'Be careful!  This configuration page contains settings 
that keep this application working properly. Modifying these settings 
may cause problems ...'.  I don't want any dramas at this time, when I 
have a publisher's deadline looming ...


Thanks again - Ken (in Oz)

Philip Chee wrote:

On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 21:37:23 +1100, Ken wrote:
Hi.  Have SM 1.1.11 and Windows XP Home.  A friend overseas sent me the 
following link to a 'Berlin exhibition': 
http://video.spiegel.de/flash/48925_996x560_VP6_928.flv


But I get a Microsoft Visual C++Runtime Library error message saying:
Runtime Error!
Program: C:\Program Files\mozila.org\SeaMonkey\SeaMonkey.exe
R6034
An application has made an attempt to load the C runtime library 
incorrectly.

Please contact the application's support team for more information.

Can anybody here tell me what to do?!  Ring Microsoft perhaps?


Do you have the VLC plugin installed. And have you configured it to play
.flv videos? There is a known problem in that the VLC installer doesn't
install the manifest file needed by the VLC plugin into the directory
where the plugin lives. Google for R6034 and VLC and Firefox.

Phil


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Re: Spurious (?) messages from system, while composing news article

[Philip Chee]

On 08/02/2009 16:37, Jens Hatlak wrote:
> Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:
>>  One message complained about improper characters in the message
>>  and asking me whether I wanted to send the message in utf-8 encoding.
> 
> That's fixed in SM2 (bug 410333); it will just silently switch to UTF-8.

Except in Japanese localized builds of SeaMonkey 2.0a where this has
been deliberately unfixed. ja-JP builds will absolutely totally never
ever fall back to UTF-8.

Phil

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Re: Runtime Error!

[Philip Chee]

On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 21:37:23 +1100, Ken wrote:
> Hi.  Have SM 1.1.11 and Windows XP Home.  A friend overseas sent me the 
> following link to a 'Berlin exhibition': 
> http://video.spiegel.de/flash/48925_996x560_VP6_928.flv
> 
> But I get a Microsoft Visual C++Runtime Library error message saying:
> Runtime Error!
> Program: C:\Program Files\mozila.org\SeaMonkey\SeaMonkey.exe
> R6034
> An application has made an attempt to load the C runtime library 
> incorrectly.
> Please contact the application's support team for more information.
> 
> Can anybody here tell me what to do?!  Ring Microsoft perhaps?

Do you have the VLC plugin installed. And have you configured it to play
.flv videos? There is a known problem in that the VLC installer doesn't
install the manifest file needed by the VLC plugin into the directory
where the plugin lives. Google for R6034 and VLC and Firefox.

Phil

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Re: Runtime Error!

[Jens Hatlak]

Ken wrote:
Hi.  Have SM 1.1.11 and Windows XP Home.  A friend overseas sent me the 
following link to a 'Berlin exhibition': 
http://video.spiegel.de/flash/48925_996x560_VP6_928.flv


But I get a Microsoft Visual C++Runtime Library error message


I get a dialog asking me what to do with that file (MIME type 
video/x-flv). I guess you have a plugin installed that handles that MIME 
type. Type about:plugins into the location bar and see which one it is. 
If you type about:config first and set plugin.expose_full_path to true 
(type it into the Filter field, then double click on the line that is 
found) you will see the full path of each plugin. Move the offending one 
away (renaming it to something not ending in .dll is enough) and check 
if the problem still exists.


BTW: Plugins, in contrast to extensions, are executed with the same 
rights as the host application, in this case SeaMonkey. That's why the 
error messages shows the SeaMonkey executable.



Can anybody here tell me what to do?!  Ring Microsoft perhaps?


I doubt they will help. It's just too often that a dialog tells people 
to do that. ;-)


HTH

Jens

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Re: Cannot drag mails

[Jim S]

On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 12:18:10 +0100, Hartmut Figge wrote:

> Jim S:
>>On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 09:48:50 +0100, Jens Hatlak wrote:
>>> Jim S wrote:
> 
 v2.0a2 cannot drag a mail from intray to other folder.
>>> 
>>> Please elaborate on that
>>
>>Instead of using the 'move' function to shift the odd email to a different
>>folder it is easier just to drag it across.
> 
> I find it more convenient to use 'move'.
> 
>>In this version I cannot. Just though someone might not have
>>noticed.
> 
> Just checked with my 2.0a3pre. Created a new folder under my E-Mail
> account and dragged a mail successfully from Inbox to it.
> 
> But i do not know what do you mean with 'intray'. :)
> 
> Hartmut

Sorry. 'Intray = Inbox' my typo.
I'll have to wait for a3 I guess.
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Re: Cannot drag mails

[Hartmut Figge]

Jim S:
>On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 09:48:50 +0100, Jens Hatlak wrote:
>> Jim S wrote:

>>> v2.0a2 cannot drag a mail from intray to other folder.
>> 
>> Please elaborate on that
>
>Instead of using the 'move' function to shift the odd email to a different
>folder it is easier just to drag it across.

I find it more convenient to use 'move'.

>In this version I cannot. Just though someone might not have
>noticed.

Just checked with my 2.0a3pre. Created a new folder under my E-Mail
account and dragged a mail successfully from Inbox to it.

But i do not know what do you mean with 'intray'. :)

Hartmut
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Re: Cannot drag mails

[Jim S]

On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 09:48:50 +0100, Jens Hatlak wrote:

> Jim S wrote:
>> v2.0a2 cannot drag a mail from intray to other folder.
> 
> Please elaborate on that

Instead of using the 'move' function to shift the odd email to a different
folder it is easier just to drag it across. In this version I cannot.
Just though someone might not have noticed.
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Runtime Error!

[Ken]

Hi.  Have SM 1.1.11 and Windows XP Home.  A friend overseas sent me the 
following link to a 'Berlin exhibition': 
http://video.spiegel.de/flash/48925_996x560_VP6_928.flv


But I get a Microsoft Visual C++Runtime Library error message saying:
Runtime Error!
Program: C:\Program Files\mozila.org\SeaMonkey\SeaMonkey.exe
R6034
An application has made an attempt to load the C runtime library 
incorrectly.

Please contact the application's support team for more information.

Can anybody here tell me what to do?!  Ring Microsoft perhaps?

Thanks - Ken (in Oz)
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Re: Does this mean we're about to have SM 1.1.15?

[Daniel]

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Jim S wrote:

On Sat, 07 Feb 2009 20:05:23 -0500, BeeNeR wrote:


On or about 2/7/2009 7:01 PM, Daniel typed the following:

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

--(February 4, 2009) Firefox Update Fixes Six Flaws

Mozilla has released an updated version of Firefox that addresses
six vulnerabilities in the browser. The most serious of the batch
is a critical JavaScript flaw affecting Firefox's layout engine;
it could be exploited to crash the browser and possibly run malicious
code.
The vulnerability also affects the Thunderbird email client and
SeaMonkey Internet Suite.
Other vulnerabilities include cross-site scripting and a problem
with tab restoration that could be exploited to steal local files.

Internet Storm Center:
http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=5800
http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/901
http://www.heise-online.co.uk/security/Firefox-3-0-6-fixes-vulnerabilities--/news/112555 



http://news.zdnet.co.uk/security/0,100189,39610692,00.htm
http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2009/mfsa2009-01.html
http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/firefox30.html#firefox3.0.6 



In my thread about replying whilst off-line using SM, NoOp has said 
that
he tested it using SM 1.1.15pre (and it did suffer from the 
problem!! SM

2.0a3 is o.k. though), so I'm guessing this means, Yes, we are about to
have SM 1.1.15

Daniel

I don't see a 1.1.15 on the nightlies.

Ed


Why are you/they faffing about with 1.1.anything when 2.0a2 actually 
works

better? Well for me it does.


Because I'm using Win98se and 2.xxx is promised not to work with Win98!


This could/will be a problem for me as well, as I also dual boot, 
MandrivaLinux/Win98!


Daniel
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Re: When will SM2 come out?

[Jens Hatlak]

Tony Mechelynck wrote:

On 05/02/09 00:22, Jens Hatlak wrote:

Stéphane Grégoire wrote:

The only thing which is boring is the Ctrl Maj T doesn't work.


If you mean Ctrl+Shift+T (Undo Close Tab), that should work. At least it
does here, but I have to admit that I'm using a current nightly build
rather than an Alpha. Alpha 3 is expected in a few weeks, though. Stay
tuned. :-)


Yeah, Maj[uscule] (meaning upper-case) is the French name of the Shift 
key. And VerrMaj and VerrNum are CapsLock and NumLock respectively (from 
verr[ouillage] = locking). On my copy of SeaMonkey, Ctrl+Shift+T 
triggers a Duplicate Tab operation (Note: Duplicate Tab is one of my 
installed extensions).


I also have Duplicate Tab installed, though only in SM 1.1.x. I used 
KeyConfig to reclaim Ctrl+Shift+T for Undo Close Tab (the extension) and 
set Duplicate Tab to Ctrl+Alt+Shift+Tab (admitted, I use it much less 
than Undo Close Tab). KeyConfig also works with SM2 nightlies (I have 
compatibility checking off, don't know if that's needed for this 
extension) so the same should be possible there. I just used it to 
unbind Ctrl+M from Stylish (since the general request [1] shows no 
progress).


[1] 

HTH

Jens

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Re: Cannot drag mails

[Jens Hatlak]

Jim S wrote:

v2.0a2 cannot drag a mail from intray to other folder.


Please elaborate on that, create a new profile, or try Alpha 3 when it 
comes out (expected in 1-2 weeks).


HTH

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Re: Spurious (?) messages from system, while composing news article

[Jens Hatlak]

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

 One message complained about improper characters in the message
 and asking me whether I wanted to send the message in utf-8 encoding.


That's fixed in SM2 (bug 410333); it will just silently switch to UTF-8.

HTH

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Re: cross posting ???

[Jens Hatlak]

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

However connected to the server newsgroups.bellsouth.net,
when I tried to cross post my article, I received the error
message that I can not post an article to two servers!
I had to post the article separately to each group!


It's a known problem (bug 230899).

Greetings,

Jens

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