Re: Win 7/Win 10 support?

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On 7/23/2019 12:55 AM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


I'm surprised. I remember when Win8 came out it was widely panned. My 
impression was that M$ was alternating between serious systems that 
power users like me appreciated (Win2000 Pro, WinXP Pro, Win7 Pro) and 
playware that held dabblers' hands every step of the way (WinMe, 
Vista); Win8 fit the latter description. Then when Win10 came out, 
even with the various issues, I had the impression it was the pro type 
(this from someone who wasn't shopping, so wasn't reading closely). 
And of course as usual I waited for the beta testers ("early 
adopters") to shake out the bugs before trying it. :-)


So in your opinion they're still trying to fix Win10?



WinME was the successor to Win95 and Win98, it was known right from the 
start that it was the end of the line for that code base and the quality 
suffered accordingly.
Windows NT 4 begat Win2000, and then WinXP, Vista, Win7, Win8(.1) and 
Win10.  When Microsoft skipped "Windows 9" and went straight to 10, my 
initial feeling was that they were skipping the next "decent version". 
That turned out not to be the reason for the jump, programmers had been 
testing for the string "Windows 9" to detect Win95 and Win98 hosts.


They are not "still trying to fix" Win10, they bring out a new feature 
update every 6 months and this tight schedule means some serious bugs 
get missed.  The new beta testers are those who apply those feature 
updates when they come out rather than waiting a few months.


Finally, worrying about compatability between Seamonkey and Windows 10 
does not really make sense - Windows 10 has been out for a few years now 
and a large proportion of the Seamonkey users are exposed to it.




Well thankfully they put to rest with 1903 the 6 months new windows 10 
cadence! It's going to be once a year going forward.

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Re: Win 7/Win 10 support?

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On 7/22/2019 11:00 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

I tested 2.49.5 on Windows 10 x64 1809.

I regularly test 2.53 and 2.57 on Windows Server 2016 (based on 10 
14393) and 10 1903 (latest and greatest).


Personally I moved to 8.1. Support till 2023 and not such a sh*thole 
like 10. With open-shell quite usable. Never thought I would say 
something good about 8.x but ever changing 10 is a telemetry riddled 
privacy risk and beta quality software,


If problems come up they will only be fixed for 2.53 and up.

There was a problem with regular expressions with 10 and 2.49.4. Some 
websites didn't work. I think MS fixed it. If not 2.49.5 takes care of it.


Back up your full profile on an external drive.

FRG

TCW wrote:

On 7/22/2019 8:25 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

To whom it may concern:

As you may have heard, M$ is ending support for the popular but 
antiquated Windows 7 operating system in January. Accordingly, I'm 
planning to upgrade to Windows 10.


Since SeaMonkey is a mission-critical application for me, is there 
anything I should know about the transition, or will it be seamless 
with respect to SM?


Thanks.

<https://www.microsoft.com/en-ww/windowsforbusiness/end-of-windows-7-support> 





If SM is mission critical, you may want to at least have a plan B in 
place should something happen to SM down the road. A couple of folks 
are still plugging away at support for SM but not like it was a decade 
ago. Realistically, if you do an in-place upgrade from Win 7 to 10 
(which still works), SM operation should be seamless.


Cool. I'm sure the OP will see this and at least know so more info.
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Re: Win 7/Win 10 support?

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On 7/22/2019 8:25 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

To whom it may concern:

As you may have heard, M$ is ending support for the popular but 
antiquated Windows 7 operating system in January. Accordingly, I'm 
planning to upgrade to Windows 10.


Since SeaMonkey is a mission-critical application for me, is there 
anything I should know about the transition, or will it be seamless with 
respect to SM?


Thanks.

 





If SM is mission critical, you may want to at least have a plan B in 
place should something happen to SM down the road. A couple of folks are 
still plugging away at support for SM but not like it was a decade ago. 
Realistically, if you do an in-place upgrade from Win 7 to 10 (which 
still works), SM operation should be seamless.

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Re: Unsupported Browser Notice

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On 4/24/2019 2:50 PM, Brian Mailman wrote:

Windows 10
Seamonkey 2.48

Hi, I'm now receiving a notice of "Unsupported Browser" and that my 
Seamonkey is "outdated" when I try to go to davita.com .


The notice recommends Firefox, among others. I forget where the setting 
is, but I do have this copy of Seamonkey set to identify itself as Firefox!


Help?  Thanks in advance.

B/



Although it's not official, you could always try the .ZIP of Bill's 
build of 2.53 from here: http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/. I'd back up your 
profile for sure.


I was using the 2.57 build for a while until something recently started 
breaking and I basically finally gave up and switched over to FF (at 
least until or if ever it's released via Mozilla)

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Re: "All humors aside… ;("

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On 2/18/2019 10:30 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
Personally I think eowng is always to harsh on himself. This is a big 
task where others do it with 10 or more people. Mozilla with a lot more...


While this is currently an uphill battle once it is done I expect future 
releases to go a lot smoother than today. Not having to cope with the 
daily lets reinvent the wheel mozilla infrastructure change makes things 
a lot simpler. And until then we still have Bills builds.


So cheers to ewong for not giving up! :)

FRG


Ant wrote:

https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/2019/02/18/all-humors-aside/

A long read. :(


Truly a Herculean task. Cheers for EWong.
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Re: Google.com malfunction with SM 2.49.4

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On 9/24/2018 3:13 PM, twbartender wrote:

I'm also having problems with google.com. Specifically the google search function 
using both Seamonkey version 2.49.3 & the latest version, 2.49.4. When trying 
to type anything in the Google Search Box, it only uses the upper left corner of 
the box, and when you get to 19 characters, the beginning of what was typed becomes 
hidden if what you are trying to ask is longer than the 19 characters. If you copy 
and paste something into the box, only the last 19 characters are visible.

On 9/11/18 I posted my problem on the Google Search Help Forum, found here: 
https://groups.google.com/a/googleproductforums.com/d/msgid/websearch/e4a0cbeb-a533-4b62-b714-fab0ef77e111%40googleproductforums.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer

On 9/16/18 I replied to my own post with an answer to the problem I found by doing more 
digging. It seems that unchecking the "Advertise Firefox compatibility" option 
found in the Seamonkey preferences allows the search box to function as it should: The 
original link to the answer can be found here:
https://productforums.google.com/d/msg/websearch/w6JUJvS5nMw/6QzWOLY_CQAJ

At first all seemed to function as it should until I realized that the actual search page looks different when the 
"Advertise Firefox compatibility" option is unchecked compared to when it's checked. I also found that the 
search settings cannot be changed when the "Advertise Firefox compatibility" option is unchecked. A much 
greater issue I discovered was the fact that when searching for photos with the "Advertise Firefox 
compatibility" option is unchecked, the results page not only shows a page of photos, it also includes a 4 to 5 
line description under each of 20 photos returned from the search. I attempted to find an option to turn off the photo 
descriptions, but the option doesn't exist. The only way to remove the photo descriptions is to re-check the 
"Advertise Firefox compatibility" option. By re-checking the option none of the photos include a description 
under them. Also the search settings functions now works as they should.

This is becoming very frustrating and a real pain in the butt... From what I've learned 
the problem most likely is directly related to the Seamonkey User Agent, but I've been 
unable figure out how to create a user agent string that functions correctly with Google 
Search. With the "Advertise Firefox compatibility" option unchecked seamonkey 
reports my user agent as: User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.4 When the option is checked, the user agent is: User 
agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 
SeaMonkey/2.49.4



This something Google changed on their end and it affects Seamonkey.
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Re: Unable to view this page

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On 7/20/2018 2:37 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
https://www.journaldugeek.com/2018/07/20/fake-news-scientifiques-fleau-difficile-a-apprehender/ 




is visible with Firefox 61.0.1


but with my SM, it's a very long blank page
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1


I can see this on FRG's 2.53 build from 20180715153003.
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Re: Generate list of passwords for selected websites

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On 7/11/2018 10:07 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

TCW wrote:

On 7/11/2018 4:13 AM, Andy K wrote:

I would like to generate a list of passwords for selected sites.

I looked at password manager. It lists all sites but you have to tell 
it to show passwords individually for each site.


Any way to select certain sites and get it to show the passwords?



Why would you need to know that?


Maybe make a paper backup is one reason that comes to mind.



As an IT person, questions like this send up red flags. After all, if 
you don't already know the password to sites you regularly use

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Re: Password doesn't insert into login

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On 7/11/2018 10:14 AM, DoctorBill wrote:

Normally when I went to "LogIn" on a website, the Passwords function
inserted the Username and password.
Just recently - for e-bay and for PayPal, nothing is inserted !
If I click on "LogIn" with the slots EMPTY, I get an error message from
the web site and THEN the two words are inserted..

Has the web site changed something, or has something in my SM changed ?

I tried deleting the username & password and re-entering them upon
login, - no joy.  Erasing cookies - no joy.

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

DoctorBill


Could be just a fluke with the site.
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Re: Generate list of passwords for selected websites

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On 7/11/2018 4:13 AM, Andy K wrote:

I would like to generate a list of passwords for selected sites.

I looked at password manager. It lists all sites but you have to tell it to 
show passwords individually for each site.

Any way to select certain sites and get it to show the passwords?



Why would you need to know that?
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Google flights joining the Your Browser Sucks bandwagon

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https://www.google.com/flights
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Re: ebay and SeaMonkey Browser Support

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On 6/12/2018 11:58 PM, Daniel wrote:

TCW wrote on 12/06/18 23:17:

On 6/11/2018 8:07 PM, Big Jim wrote:
As of June 19th, ebay states that they will no longer support the 
SeaMonkey browser because it is outdated and unsafe.  A paste of the 
message I received is below...


eBay

Oh No!

We noticed that you’re on an outdated web browser that may compromise 
your security as you shop online.


As of June 19, 2018 you will no longer be able to check out on eBay 
with your current browser.

Update to the latest version now so you can continue
to check out safely and securely.

Why must we continually put up with this!


Meh, not likely to do anything. Just make sure that at least Edit > 
Preferences > Advanced > HTTP Networking > Advertise Firefox 
Compatibility is enabled. Or just do: 
http://ficara.altervista.org/?p=2528


I'm using FRG's build of SM 2.53 and eBay hasn't complained to me 
about anything.


But be aware that even with the "Advertise Firefox" setting set, some 
sites still act up. Seems some now only work if Firefox is the only 
Browser mentioned so kick up a stink if SeaMonkey and Firefox are 
mentioned  or if Firefox and SeaMonkey are mentioned.


Some, hereabouts, have suggested creating a UserAgent pref that would 
apply to the specific, troublesome, site.


I don't think it will completely not load. I mean, come on. Do you know 
how many people that would affect? It's like pointing a gun in someone's 
face and saying they *have* to use this browser or else. Doesn't work 
that way. They'll lose money and issue a mea culpa.

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Re: ebay and SeaMonkey Browser Support

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On 6/11/2018 8:07 PM, Big Jim wrote:
As of June 19th, ebay states that they will no longer support the 
SeaMonkey browser because it is outdated and unsafe.  A paste of the 
message I received is below...


eBay

Oh No!

We noticed that you’re on an outdated web browser that may compromise 
your security as you shop online.


As of June 19, 2018 you will no longer be able to check out on eBay with 
your current browser.

Update to the latest version now so you can continue
to check out safely and securely.

Why must we continually put up with this!


Meh, not likely to do anything. Just make sure that at least Edit > 
Preferences > Advanced > HTTP Networking > Advertise Firefox 
Compatibility is enabled. Or just do: http://ficara.altervista.org/?p=2528


I'm using FRG's build of SM 2.53 and eBay hasn't complained to me about 
anything.

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Looks like 2.49.3 is about to go live

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Salvation is near!
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Re: National Zoo Panda Cams

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On 4/16/2018 9:45 PM, xxyyz wrote:

SM 2.49.2,  WXP - what do I need to change and/or add to get
the Smithsonian panda cams at
  http://nationalzoo.si.edu/Animals/WebCams/giant-panda.cfm
to play?


You could always try something like K-Lite Codec Pack Basic and see if 
it makes any difference. It's just likely that it's due to code changes 
on the site and you using WinXP.

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Re: National Zoo Panda Cams

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On 4/16/2018 9:45 PM, xxyyz wrote:

SM 2.49.2,  WXP - what do I need to change and/or add to get
the Smithsonian panda cams at
  http://nationalzoo.si.edu/Animals/WebCams/giant-panda.cfm
to play?


Working for me on Win 7 X64.
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Re: Slowdowns over time when using SeaMonkey

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On 3/20/2018 2:44 PM, EE wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:

S Slicer wrote:

Jonathan Wilson wrote:



Is this kind of hanging/freezing/slowdown a known thing? Is there a 
bugzilla bug (or bugs) that cover this issue? Is there anything that 
can be done to mitigate or work around the issue? Could one of my 
plugins (I use Addblock, ChatZilla, DOM Inspector, Geolocater, 
JavaScript Debugger and User Agent Switcher as extentions plus 
Acrobat, NVIDIA 3D, Silverlight, Window Live Photos and Flash as 
plugins) be the cause of the problems?

I see this too.  Very noticeable on Facebook.


Same here - a problem for many years now; don't expect a fix.

I finally put a "Kill Seamonkey" icon on my desktop and use it 
frequently when things slow down.


I have not noticed that problem with SeaMonkey on MacOS.  I clear the 
cache and history after every browsing session, which probably helps.




So do I. It's not cache but likely bad web site design.
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Re: Slowdowns over time when using SeaMonkey

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On 3/20/2018 9:38 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:

On 3/20/2018 at 10:22 AM, TCW created this epitome of digital genius:

On 3/20/2018 9:10 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:

On 3/20/2018 at 9:55 AM, TCW created this epitome of digital genius:

On 3/20/2018 8:36 AM, Jonathan Wilson wrote:
If I use SeaMonkey (2.49.2 which seems to be the latest version) 
for a while and visit different sites and open and close windows 
and such, eventually it gets to the point where it slows down to 
the point of almost hanging and I need to close a bunch of windows 
(which takes ages since SeaMonkey is running so slow) before 
SeaMonkey will start being usable again. In some cases I have to 
force-close SeaMonkey completly because its totally hung and simply 
wont respond to my inputs.


I have noticed that using Google Maps and panning around is a great 
way to make this hanging/freezing/etc happen faster.


The last time it totally hung Task Manager told me there was almost 
no free physical memory (I have a total of 8GB) and that SeaMonkey 
was using a very large amount of RAM. I also noticed that when I 
attached to SM with a debugger, it was hanging somewhere in the 
windows memory allocation code (i.e. that was what was on top of 
the call stack) with some mozglue memory allocation code the next 
thing after the windows code.


Is this kind of hanging/freezing/slowdown a known thing? Is there a 
bugzilla bug (or bugs) that cover this issue? Is there anything 
that can be done to mitigate or work around the issue? Could one of 
my plugins (I use Addblock, ChatZilla, DOM Inspector, Geolocater, 
JavaScript Debugger and User Agent Switcher as extentions plus 
Acrobat, NVIDIA 3D, Silverlight, Window Live Photos and Flash as 
plugins) be the cause of the problems?


Yes, I have seen this as well. I am using a build of SM 2.53 and 
I've seen it happen browsing regular sites. It seems to be either a 
memory leak or the browser not releasing memory though garbage 
collection / cycle collection. I would not hold out hope for a fix 
since there are not many people working on SM at the moment.


I'm not seeing this at all.  SM 2.49.2 Win 10 Pro 64-bit.

I suspect an add-on or combination of add-ons.  I suggest trying Safe 
Mode to see if that is it.




I thought it was an add-on as well. Frank-Reiner had me switch to 
uBlock as I too thought ABP was culprit. Nope. I can 100% repro it 
when browsing on Momondo and AirBNB for a short period of time (15-30 
minutes) on my home or office PC. I'm on Win 7 x64 but I doubt it 
makes any difference.


Have you tried Safe Mode?



Yup.
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Re: Slowdowns over time when using SeaMonkey

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On 3/20/2018 9:10 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:

On 3/20/2018 at 9:55 AM, TCW created this epitome of digital genius:

On 3/20/2018 8:36 AM, Jonathan Wilson wrote:
If I use SeaMonkey (2.49.2 which seems to be the latest version) for 
a while and visit different sites and open and close windows and 
such, eventually it gets to the point where it slows down to the 
point of almost hanging and I need to close a bunch of windows (which 
takes ages since SeaMonkey is running so slow) before SeaMonkey will 
start being usable again. In some cases I have to force-close 
SeaMonkey completly because its totally hung and simply wont respond 
to my inputs.


I have noticed that using Google Maps and panning around is a great 
way to make this hanging/freezing/etc happen faster.


The last time it totally hung Task Manager told me there was almost 
no free physical memory (I have a total of 8GB) and that SeaMonkey 
was using a very large amount of RAM. I also noticed that when I 
attached to SM with a debugger, it was hanging somewhere in the 
windows memory allocation code (i.e. that was what was on top of the 
call stack) with some mozglue memory allocation code the next thing 
after the windows code.


Is this kind of hanging/freezing/slowdown a known thing? Is there a 
bugzilla bug (or bugs) that cover this issue? Is there anything that 
can be done to mitigate or work around the issue? Could one of my 
plugins (I use Addblock, ChatZilla, DOM Inspector, Geolocater, 
JavaScript Debugger and User Agent Switcher as extentions plus 
Acrobat, NVIDIA 3D, Silverlight, Window Live Photos and Flash as 
plugins) be the cause of the problems?


Yes, I have seen this as well. I am using a build of SM 2.53 and I've 
seen it happen browsing regular sites. It seems to be either a memory 
leak or the browser not releasing memory though garbage collection / 
cycle collection. I would not hold out hope for a fix since there are 
not many people working on SM at the moment.


I'm not seeing this at all.  SM 2.49.2 Win 10 Pro 64-bit.

I suspect an add-on or combination of add-ons.  I suggest trying Safe 
Mode to see if that is it.




I thought it was an add-on as well. Frank-Reiner had me switch to uBlock 
as I too thought ABP was culprit. Nope. I can 100% repro it when 
browsing on Momondo and AirBNB for a short period of time (15-30 
minutes) on my home or office PC. I'm on Win 7 x64 but I doubt it makes 
any difference.

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Re: Slowdowns over time when using SeaMonkey

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On 3/20/2018 8:36 AM, Jonathan Wilson wrote:
If I use SeaMonkey (2.49.2 which seems to be the latest version) for a 
while and visit different sites and open and close windows and such, 
eventually it gets to the point where it slows down to the point of 
almost hanging and I need to close a bunch of windows (which takes ages 
since SeaMonkey is running so slow) before SeaMonkey will start being 
usable again. In some cases I have to force-close SeaMonkey completly 
because its totally hung and simply wont respond to my inputs.


I have noticed that using Google Maps and panning around is a great way 
to make this hanging/freezing/etc happen faster.


The last time it totally hung Task Manager told me there was almost no 
free physical memory (I have a total of 8GB) and that SeaMonkey was 
using a very large amount of RAM. I also noticed that when I attached to 
SM with a debugger, it was hanging somewhere in the windows memory 
allocation code (i.e. that was what was on top of the call stack) with 
some mozglue memory allocation code the next thing after the windows code.


Is this kind of hanging/freezing/slowdown a known thing? Is there a 
bugzilla bug (or bugs) that cover this issue? Is there anything that can 
be done to mitigate or work around the issue? Could one of my plugins (I 
use Addblock, ChatZilla, DOM Inspector, Geolocater, JavaScript Debugger 
and User Agent Switcher as extentions plus Acrobat, NVIDIA 3D, 
Silverlight, Window Live Photos and Flash as plugins) be the cause of 
the problems?


Yes, I have seen this as well. I am using a build of SM 2.53 and I've 
seen it happen browsing regular sites. It seems to be either a memory 
leak or the browser not releasing memory though garbage collection / 
cycle collection. I would not hold out hope for a fix since there are 
not many people working on SM at the moment.

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Re: SM locks up when on FoxNews.com

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On 3/7/2018 11:27 PM, DoctorBill wrote:

TCW wrote:

On 3/7/2018 10:59 AM, DoctorBill wrote:

TCW wrote:

On 3/7/2018 10:07 AM, DoctorBill wrote:

I look to FoxNews often.
Of late, SM becomes simply unresponsive - especially to the Login.

If left alone, a message comes up about a script running, etc.

How do I stop any web site from running scripts ?
If I can't, what can I do to prevent these lock ups (a script 
running) ?


DoctorBill


Could be Fake News (sorry, couldn't help it) but also try updating 
to 2.49.2: https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.49.2


Downloading now..Thanks.
Fake News - what's that ?   I believe EVERYTHING that CNN says !

BTW - IS SeaMonkey essentially dead ?   Not being supported of 
improved anymore ?

Saw a post here about that !


Not quite dead. I'm using a 2.53 x64 made by Frank-Rainer that's been 
stable but not all the bells and whistles are working.


A 2.49.3 is coming in the not too distant future which should be based 
off 52.7ESR once it gets finalized. There's not that many people 
working on it (3? 4? 10?) so updates come slower than before. It also 
didn't help when all the GUI and Quantum changes happened. Seamonkey 
is just so far behind that it's hard to catch up to those changes.


I do not follow that jargon !  "52.7ESR.the GUI and Quantum changes" 
No matter.


I saw something either here or on the Internet that SeaMonkey was 
essentially DEAD
in that it was not being revised (updated) -don't know the term used ?- 
anymore.
That it had been abandoned  everybody leaving the "program" because 
of no support


Didn't someone Post something HERE like that a couple of months ago ?

I guess that THAT is akin to hearing that some actor died and it turns 
out to be a lie.

"Fake News" huh ?

In any case - so glad to hear that SM is alive and well - been using it 
since the Jurassic

Period. I am 75.

DoctorBill


Yes alive, but only being updated infrequently.
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Re: SM locks up when on FoxNews.com

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On 3/7/2018 10:59 AM, DoctorBill wrote:

TCW wrote:

On 3/7/2018 10:07 AM, DoctorBill wrote:

I look to FoxNews often.
Of late, SM becomes simply unresponsive - especially to the Login.

If left alone, a message comes up about a script running, etc.

How do I stop any web site from running scripts ?
If I can't, what can I do to prevent these lock ups (a script running) ?

DoctorBill


Could be Fake News (sorry, couldn't help it) but also try updating to 
2.49.2: https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.49.2


Downloading now..Thanks.
Fake News - what's that ?   I believe EVERYTHING that CNN says !

BTW - IS SeaMonkey essentially dead ?   Not being supported of improved 
anymore ?

Saw a post here about that !


Not quite dead. I'm using a 2.53 x64 made by Frank-Rainer that's been 
stable but not all the bells and whistles are working.


A 2.49.3 is coming in the not too distant future which should be based 
off 52.7ESR once it gets finalized. There's not that many people working 
on it (3? 4? 10?) so updates come slower than before. It also didn't 
help when all the GUI and Quantum changes happened. Seamonkey is just so 
far behind that it's hard to catch up to those changes.

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Re: SM locks up when on FoxNews.com

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On 3/7/2018 11:05 AM, DoctorBill wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

I look to FoxNews often.
Of late, SM becomes simply unresponsive - especially to the Login.

If left alone, a message comes up about a script running, etc.

How do I stop any web site from running scripts ?
If I can't, what can I do to prevent these lock ups (a script running) ?

DoctorBill


I just downloaded "NoScript" and started it up.

It confuses an old man like me !

How do I make it stop FoxNews.com's Scripts ?


It's likely that the script is just some JavaScript in the sites code 
that is acting wonky with SM. Probably not much help to use NoScript.

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Re: SM locks up when on FoxNews.com

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On 3/7/2018 10:07 AM, DoctorBill wrote:

I look to FoxNews often.
Of late, SM becomes simply unresponsive - especially to the Login.

If left alone, a message comes up about a script running, etc.

How do I stop any web site from running scripts ?
If I can't, what can I do to prevent these lock ups (a script running) ?

DoctorBill


Could be Fake News (sorry, couldn't help it) but also try updating to 
2.49.2: https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.49.2

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Re: seamonkey unsupported at kroger.com

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On 2/23/2018 9:25 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

TCW wrote:

On 2/23/2018 8:54 AM, Jim wrote:

Hi all --

This just started happening a few weeks ago.
When I go to www.kroger.com, -- it tells me I have an unsupported 
browser.  When I click the button that says "To continue without 
upgrading, please click HERE", it correctly opens up www.kroger.com.


But when I click on "digital coupons"  on the top right menu, it goes 
back to the "unsupported" page again.
I emailed their customer service, and they said I need to use one of 
the browsers mentioned.  The only other browser I have on this PC is 
"The Edge", and that's not supported either.  So I need to go to the 
site on one of my other devices which has a "supported browser".


Assistance please?


Have you tried bumping up to SM 2.49.2?


Nope doesn't work for the digital coupons section. As I posted stupid 
useragent string sniffing. This does work.


about:config

create new string key named:
general.useragent.override.kroger.softcoin.com

value:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0

fixes, and then complain to support.

<http://geckoisgecko.org/>



There's no way Kroger is going to help you. Seamonkey is not a common 
browser.

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Re: seamonkey unsupported at kroger.com

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On 2/23/2018 8:54 AM, Jim wrote:

Hi all --

This just started happening a few weeks ago.
When I go to www.kroger.com, -- it tells me I have an unsupported 
browser.  When I click the button that says "To continue without 
upgrading, please click HERE", it correctly opens up www.kroger.com.


But when I click on "digital coupons"  on the top right menu, it goes 
back to the "unsupported" page again.
I emailed their customer service, and they said I need to use one of the 
browsers mentioned.  The only other browser I have on this PC is "The 
Edge", and that's not supported either.  So I need to go to the site on 
one of my other devices which has a "supported browser".


Assistance please?


Have you tried bumping up to SM 2.49.2?
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Re: G-Mail Security

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On 1/24/2018 1:10 PM, Cecil Bankston wrote:

TCW wrote:

On 1/24/2018 11:01 AM, Cecil Bankston wrote:
My usual POP access to my G-Mail was blocked this AM, with a message 
referring me to the following explanation:


If an app or device doesn’t meet our security standards, Google will 
block anyone who tries to sign in from that app or device. Because 
these apps and devices are easier to break into, blocking them helps 
keep your account safe.


Some examples of apps that do not support the latest security 
standards include:


    The Mail app on your iPhone or iPad with version 6 or below
    The Mail app on your Windows phone preceding the 8.1 release
    Some Desktop mail clients like Microsoft Outlook and Mozilla 
Thunderbird


What exactly is Google considering insecure about Mozilla-based mail 
clients?


To restore access I had to change a G-Mail setting to allow access by 
insecure apps.





Probably because it's an old version of SM.


I'm using the latest release version, 2.49.1.



Hmm, the other day I got a security notice from Google about "We’ve 
upgraded the Security Checkup to give you specific, personalized 
recommendations to strengthen the security of your Google Account." and 
when I checked it out it had to do with giving/disabling App Permissions 
to some apps. Could it be that? Log into the Web UI of your GMail 
account. Once you're logged in, go to 
https://myaccount.google.com/security-checkup. Onec at the Security 
Checkup page, click on Third Party Access and make sure it's on. If 
that's already on, go to the Settings for your GMail account and click 
the "Forwarding and POP/IMAP" tab and make sure POP Download is not set 
to Disable POP.

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Re: G-Mail Security

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On 1/24/2018 11:01 AM, Cecil Bankston wrote:
My usual POP access to my G-Mail was blocked this AM, with a message 
referring me to the following explanation:


If an app or device doesn’t meet our security standards, Google will 
block anyone who tries to sign in from that app or device. Because 
these apps and devices are easier to break into, blocking them helps 
keep your account safe.


Some examples of apps that do not support the latest security 
standards include:


    The Mail app on your iPhone or iPad with version 6 or below
    The Mail app on your Windows phone preceding the 8.1 release
    Some Desktop mail clients like Microsoft Outlook and Mozilla 
Thunderbird


What exactly is Google considering insecure about Mozilla-based mail 
clients?


To restore access I had to change a G-Mail setting to allow access by 
insecure apps.





Probably because it's an old version of SM.
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Re: Webcam Shuts Off

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On 1/4/2018 8:41 PM, Sanpam wrote:
This airport website camera is set up to shut off about every 2 minutes. 
It has to be manually restarted. Very annoying, and the operator is not 
open to have it stream continuously.


Is there any way for SM to "trick" it into not shutting off?

http://www.yourerie.com/skycam-cameras/erie-international-airport-tom-ridge-field-skycam 



Sounds like a setting in the webcam software or setup, not SM.
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Re: SeaMonkey Project is pretty much dead.

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On 12/18/2017 6:39 PM, Mozilla User wrote:

I believe we are looking at the final days of SeaMonkey.

YouTube has not worked in several months without switching to the Old 
Version of YT. Once they force the switch on you, I won't be able to 
load YT without it freezing and locking up when using scripts.


And Yahoo Mail no longer works now that they've forced you to the newer 
version of their mail system. I tried to download and install the 
extension User Agent Switcher, and guess what? SeaMonkey is not 
compatible with the current version of that.. no surprise.


I'm guessing this browser will go out the same way the Mozilla Browser 
did.. and that sucks, because I've used Mozilla and SeaMonkey for most 
of my history on the internet.


---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus



I'm using a build from Frank-Rainer of x64 2.53 and it works well with 
*some* stuff still needing to be fixed. But it's stable for daily use. 
Youtube works. Certainly I agree that Seamonkey is not maintained like 
it used to be but it's because of the build system. But dead? Not quite 
yet. I don't think there's been motivation to catch up since things have 
fallen so far behind and I imagine it's very difficult to garner the 
will to want to catch up.

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Re: When will SeaMonkey get Firefox v57's Gecko engine improvements?

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On 11/14/2017 10:08 PM, Ant wrote:

On 11/14/2017 5:00 PM, TCW wrote:

On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 14:09:11 -0800, Ant <ant...@zimage.com> wrote:


I just tried Firefox v57 on a very old 2008 MacBook Pro with its
original HDD, 2 GB of RAM, etc. It runs very slowly softwares with Mac
OS X El Capitan v10.11.6. However, I was surprised how much faster
Firefox v57 was over the previous versions!

When will SeaMonkey get its Gecko improvements? Thank you in advance. :)


Probably not for a long time.


Boo. :(


Yes, it's just the massive amount of catching up SM has to do with even 
pre-57 changes. There are so many under-the-hood changes in 57 and 
essentially not many people able to work on SM that is the main issue. 
So much code has to be ported, re-jiggered and converted that it's just 
not like the old day where one could, for the most part, import the code 
and it would essentially just work. I'm thankful that anyone is even 
working on SM anymore to try and keep it updated against the current FF 
changes. Just have to wait patiently. =\

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Re: What's with all those Spanish or Italian Posts - pedofile ?

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On 10/28/2017 12:21 PM, DoctorBill wrote:

Why can't the Site Manager erase them ?
Filter them out?

DoctorBill



I'm having a decent amount of success reporting this spammer but I could 
always use some help.

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Re: Opening a link from another application will result in empty new window

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On 10/20/2017 7:57 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 20/10/2017 1:40 AM, Dirk Munk wrote:

Thanks, but there is no 64 bit Windows version.
The Windows version is still developed in 32 bit, and at the very end of
the testing a 64 bit version is produced?

How many 32 bit Windows systems are still around? Can't be that many, XP
and Vista were primarily used as 32 bit versions, but I guess from
Windows 7 onwards people installed 64 bit versions.


While this HP 6730b is a 64bit machine, the OS that was installed on it 
when I brought it eight years ago was Win7 WOW, which, I believe, is a 
32bit OS modified to run on a 64bit machine


Being long-term unemployed (or under-employed), my financial situation 
does not allow me to update my system every five years or so!! ;-(




One of the nice things with Windows 10 is that you can update to it for 
free so long as you know the license key of your PC. One of the last 
times I tried updating to a fresh install of Win 10 using my existing 
Win 7 x64 Pro key, it worked. The free tool Produkey from Nirsoft will 
let you get your Windows key and Microsoft has a free tool called 
Windows 10 Media Creation Tool which will allow you to download the 
Windows 10 ISO. If you have a spare (or perhaps a friend with a spare) 
used hard drive, you could always burn the Windows 10 ISO to DVD and try 
installing Windows 10 to a spare hard drive so as not to mess up your 
existing setup. There are a few 500GB hard drives on Newegg for between 
$40-50 new. So no need to buy a new machine, just upgrade the OS. Good luck.

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Re: Seamonkey Won't Start

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On 10/2/2017 12:50 PM, Rick Collins wrote:

Not sure if I can email to this list.  We'll see.

I can't get Seamonkey to start properly.  It comes up to where I can see 
the newsgroup lists and the process hangs.  Nothing seems to be maxed 
out with the computer.  Disk is at 6%, CPU is at 19%.  But Seamonkey is 
grayed out and Task Manager says it is "not responding".


Cache is automatically cleared on startup/shutdown.  What is going on?

Rick



Not sage mode but safe mode.
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Re: Seamonkey Won't Start

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On 10/2/2017 12:50 PM, Rick Collins wrote:

Not sure if I can email to this list.  We'll see.

I can't get Seamonkey to start properly.  It comes up to where I can see 
the newsgroup lists and the process hangs.  Nothing seems to be maxed 
out with the computer.  Disk is at 6%, CPU is at 19%.  But Seamonkey is 
grayed out and Task Manager says it is "not responding".


Cache is automatically cleared on startup/shutdown.  What is going on?

Rick



What version of Seamonkey? Have you tried Sage Mode (hold down Shift and 
launch Seamonkey)?

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Re: Anyone have the akalla x64 SM 2.52b somewhere?

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On 9/11/2017 12:00 PM, John Duncan wrote:
The seemingly arbitrary and heavily bureaucratic decimation of a large 
number of older APIs and core features that power users depend on (in 
Mozilla's desperate bid to stay relevant in a world dominated by people 
who get flustered when the homepage of google tells them to download and 
install a new browser for an enhanced browsing experience) is more of 
the issue in this case.
And I have yet to understand why Mozilla doesn't just put code that 
changes that stupid mis-advertisement to promote to their product. 
Google knows full well what they're doing when they show that message: 
leveraging they playing field in their favor. Fight fire with fire I 
say. If good artists borrow and great artists steal, then steal from 
Google the way they steal from everyone else. What are they going to do, 
cry?

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Re: Anyone have the akalla x64 SM 2.52b somewhere?

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On 9/8/2017 11:24 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
I have a pacthes up 2.54 but it still needs at least two bugs fixed 
before I would call it usable.


I am using a 2.53 with a few fixes still in review applied. If you want 
it shoot me a mail Can bake any platform but Linux i686.


FRG

TCW wrote:

On 9/7/2017 1:26 PM, S Slicer wrote:

TCW wrote:
Before l10n.mozilla-community.org went down, I had the 2.52b x64 
akalla built but it seems to be corrupt. Tried google but nothing's 
coming up. 2.51 is the newest I could fine. Anyone have the x64 
2.52b build handy?


I have 2.53a1, but this newsgroup would not let me attach it because 
it is over 72 MG. I think is the last nightly build that I 
downloaded.  The only other 64-bit one that I have saved is 2.45.


That's all right. I know *some* movement on getting it back on a 
hosting place is happening 
(https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1383642) but it might be 
a while. I was already playing with the 2.54a builds but the amount of 
stuff busted in it is forcing me to revert back.


Sure, I'd like to try out x64 2.53 if you can throw it up to Zippyshare 
or some such place? FTP? Google Drive? What's easiest for you?

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Re: Image not printed

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On 9/7/2017 3:25 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
On the printed page and on the print-preview screen the image is not 
present...

...printing that page
 


Is this normal ?


Depends on the site, formatting of the code and how SM interprets it. 
Some print images, some not. I see no images on SM 2.48. FF 56.0b1 shows 
no images either. IE11, same thing.

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Re: Anyone have the akalla x64 SM 2.52b somewhere?

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On 9/7/2017 1:26 PM, S Slicer wrote:

TCW wrote:
Before l10n.mozilla-community.org went down, I had the 2.52b x64 
akalla built but it seems to be corrupt. Tried google but nothing's 
coming up. 2.51 is the newest I could fine. Anyone have the x64 2.52b 
build handy?


I have 2.53a1, but this newsgroup would not let me attach it because it 
is over 72 MG. I think is the last nightly build that I downloaded.  The 
only other 64-bit one that I have saved is 2.45.


That's all right. I know *some* movement on getting it back on a hosting 
place is happening 
(https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1383642) but it might be a 
while. I was already playing with the 2.54a builds but the amount of 
stuff busted in it is forcing me to revert back.

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Anyone have the akalla x64 SM 2.52b somewhere?

[TCW]

Before l10n.mozilla-community.org went down, I had the 2.52b x64 akalla 
built but it seems to be corrupt. Tried google but nothing's coming up. 
2.51 is the newest I could fine. Anyone have the x64 2.52b build handy?

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Re: moderation

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On 8/27/2017 9:34 PM, Edmund Wong wrote:

Hi all,

Was reading mozilla.support.seamonkey and thought to myself,
"geez.. there's certainly a lot of spam..  where's the moderation.."

That's when my internal voice trailed off and said... 'oh'.

So this is a heads-up.  If you see an influx of old messages  you
can blame it on me.  (or the rain, if you wish. :) )

To those affected by this, my humblest apologies.

Edmund



I have been reporting this spammer to the ISPs. Seems to have tapered a bit.
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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

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On 8/22/2017 6:17 AM, null wrote:
There seems to be a kind of war going on between the proponents of Adobe 
Flash, something open source called Webm, and the HTML5 player.


Increasingly videos from this or that source will not play in either SM 
or FF.


For instance, recent videos posted to Youtube increasingly will not play 
in SM 2.46. Instead, an error message says "Your browser does not 
currently recognize and of the video formats available. Click here to 
visit our frequently asked questions about HTML5 video."


The same problem occurs in FF 52.3.0.

Going to the offered Youtube FAQ, the information there is confusing and 
inadequate - it does not tell me exactly what I have to do or what I 
need in order to play video that apparently wants the HTML player . . . 
whatever exactly that is!


Chrome 49.0.2623.112 *will* run the *same* videos that the others won't.

What is going on here!? Very difficult to get any clear explanation 
about this.


Can anyone explain?


Agreeing with Frank on the XP thing. If you're on XP, best bet is to 
*try* K-Lite Basic. Otherwise, . 2017 tech doesn't work on a 15+ 
year old OS.


Chrome 49 isn't FF 52.3.0. Who knows what tricks they used back in 
v49.0. You're running insecure apps my friend. If you insist on running 
a depreciated OS, at least do the POS2009 hack for XP to keep yourself 
safe for a few more years.

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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

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On 8/22/2017 1:15 PM, Steve Dunn wrote:

On 2017-08-22 10:20, null wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

Do you have HTML5 support?



What is checked there?


Using SM, The page asks the question "What does this browser support?"

The following boxes are ticked :
HTMLVideoElement
Media Source Extensions
WebM VP8
MSE & WebM  VP9

The following boxes have an exclamation mark in them :
H.264
MSE & H.264

Do I have HTML5 support? From the above, I'm unclear.


 You do, but you are missing one of the most common codecs, which 
may be the problem.  There are numerous codecs 
(COmpressors-DECompressors) for video, much like there are for audio, 
and you need to have at least one in common with whatever codecs the 
site you're visiting supports.


 To put it in a non-technical analogy, HTML5 support is like the 
Roman alphabet and the codecs (VP8, VP9, H.264, etc.) are like 
languages.  If I know the Roman alphabet and two languages that use it 
(say, English and French) but the site only has videos in two other 
languages that also use the Roman alphabet (say, Swedish and Romanian), 
well, that won't work.


 My 32-bit Seamonkey 2.46 running on 64-bit Windows 7 has checkmarks 
in all of those boxes, and has no problem playing videos on Youtube.  
That does lend credence to the theory that it's because you're missing 
H.264.


 Years ago, I saw a recommendation for the K-Lite Codec Pack and I 
installed it on my computer.  Maybe that's the difference.


-Steve


Likely. K-Lite install codecs for *all* variants.
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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

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On 8/22/2017 9:20 AM, null wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 8/22/17 7:17 AM, null wrote:
There seems to be a kind of war going on between the proponents of 
Adobe Flash, something open source called Webm, and the HTML5 player.


Increasingly videos from this or that source will not play in either 
SM or FF.


For instance, recent videos posted to Youtube increasingly will not 
play in SM 2.46. Instead, an error message says "Your browser does 
not currently recognize and of the video formats available. Click 
here to visit our frequently asked questions about HTML5 video."


The same problem occurs in FF 52.3.0.

Going to the offered Youtube FAQ, the information there is confusing 
and inadequate - it does not tell me exactly what I have to do or 
what I need in order to play video that apparently wants the HTML 
player . . . whatever exactly that is!


Chrome 49.0.2623.112 *will* run the *same* videos that the others won't.

What is going on here!? Very difficult to get any clear explanation 
about this.


Can anyone explain?


Do you have HTML5 support?



What is checked there?


Using SM, The page asks the question "What does this browser support?"

The following boxes are ticked :
HTMLVideoElement
Media Source Extensions
WebM VP8
MSE & WebM  VP9

The following boxes have an exclamation mark in them :
H.264
MSE & H.264

Do I have HTML5 support? From the above, I'm unclear.


You could also try installing K-Lite Codec pack basic.
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Re: win64 contributed builds.

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\o/ Looking forward to testing whenever it appears. Thanks for the update.


Got a late beta fix and is now working in 2.53+

2.54 is broken right now. I wouldn't touch it for a week at least. Need 
some time to fix up the tree.


FRG

TCW wrote:
I reverted back to Adrian's 2.52 beta for now. Thanks for the info on 
ABP though.



 > Well, got my first crash with this new build:
 > 
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/83db8b72-a57f-4010-8ead-ae2f70170802 



Uninstall Adblock+ 2.9.1. and use 2.8.2. Currently much better 
anyway. Top crasher for Thunderbird too. Some Web extension changes a 
few weeks ago caused this. Fx also crashes now occasionally during 
shutdown.


FRG

TCW wrote:

On 8/2/2017 5:07 AM, Edmund Wong wrote:

Hi Everyone,

Just wanna mention that I've generated the very first set of
Win64 builds.

I've set up a schedule to generate both 32 and 64 bit nightlies.

But while it's building 2.53, Win64 isn't officially 'contributed'
until (tentatively) 2.54 (which gives us some time to figure the 
quirks

of Win64 building).

Please do check it out.  At this moment, I would just download
the ZIP file (as opposed to the Installer... unless you're running
it on a spare computer.)

http://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-central-trunk/seamonkey-2.53a1.en-US.win64.zip 



Edmund

PS: Not entirely sure if I generated it right even if the 
about:support

shows Win64.  So feedback appreciated.  (Getting a bad feeling I
did something wrong...)



Well, got my first crash with this new build: 
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/83db8b72-a57f-4010-8ead-ae2f70170802 







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Re: win64 contributed builds.

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I reverted back to Adrian's 2.52 beta for now. Thanks for the info on 
ABP though.



 > Well, got my first crash with this new build:
 > 
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/83db8b72-a57f-4010-8ead-ae2f70170802 



Uninstall Adblock+ 2.9.1. and use 2.8.2. Currently much better anyway. 
Top crasher for Thunderbird too. Some Web extension changes a few weeks 
ago caused this. Fx also crashes now occasionally during shutdown.


FRG

TCW wrote:

On 8/2/2017 5:07 AM, Edmund Wong wrote:

Hi Everyone,

Just wanna mention that I've generated the very first set of
Win64 builds.

I've set up a schedule to generate both 32 and 64 bit nightlies.

But while it's building 2.53, Win64 isn't officially 'contributed'
until (tentatively) 2.54 (which gives us some time to figure the quirks
of Win64 building).

Please do check it out.  At this moment, I would just download
the ZIP file (as opposed to the Installer... unless you're running
it on a spare computer.)

http://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-central-trunk/seamonkey-2.53a1.en-US.win64.zip 



Edmund

PS: Not entirely sure if I generated it right even if the about:support
shows Win64.  So feedback appreciated.  (Getting a bad feeling I
did something wrong...)



Well, got my first crash with this new build: 
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/83db8b72-a57f-4010-8ead-ae2f70170802 





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Re: win64 contributed builds.

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On 8/2/2017 5:07 AM, Edmund Wong wrote:

Hi Everyone,

Just wanna mention that I've generated the very first set of
Win64 builds.

I've set up a schedule to generate both 32 and 64 bit nightlies.

But while it's building 2.53, Win64 isn't officially 'contributed'
until (tentatively) 2.54 (which gives us some time to figure the quirks
of Win64 building).

Please do check it out.  At this moment, I would just download
the ZIP file (as opposed to the Installer... unless you're running
it on a spare computer.)

http://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-central-trunk/seamonkey-2.53a1.en-US.win64.zip

Edmund

PS: Not entirely sure if I generated it right even if the about:support
shows Win64.  So feedback appreciated.  (Getting a bad feeling I
did something wrong...)



Well, got my first crash with this new build: 
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/83db8b72-a57f-4010-8ead-ae2f70170802

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Re: win64 contributed builds.

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Ha! Weird that it didn't give a message about cert expiry.

Tried switching themes with mine and it worked. Has a few fixes in which 
are not yet in the tree but shzould not be a win 64 problem.


html5test.com is broken:

Timestamp: 8/2/2017, 5:25:46 PM
Error: api.whichbrowser.net:443 uses an invalid security certificate.

The certificate expired on Wednesday, August 02, 2017, 2:30 PM. The 
current time is Wednesday, August 02, 2017, 5:25 PM.


Error code: title="SEC_ERROR_EXPIRED_CERTIFICATE">SEC_ERROR_EXPIRED_CERTIFICATE



TCW wrote:

On 8/2/2017 5:07 AM, Edmund Wong wrote:

Hi Everyone,

Just wanna mention that I've generated the very first set of
Win64 builds.

I've set up a schedule to generate both 32 and 64 bit nightlies.

But while it's building 2.53, Win64 isn't officially 'contributed'
until (tentatively) 2.54 (which gives us some time to figure the quirks
of Win64 building).

Please do check it out.  At this moment, I would just download
the ZIP file (as opposed to the Installer... unless you're running
it on a spare computer.)

http://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-central-trunk/seamonkey-2.53a1.en-US.win64.zip 



Edmund

PS: Not entirely sure if I generated it right even if the about:support
shows Win64.  So feedback appreciated.  (Getting a bad feeling I
did something wrong...)



Visiting the HTML5 test site, I get a spinning circle and it never 
gives a score.




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Re: win64 contributed builds.

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On 8/2/2017 5:07 AM, Edmund Wong wrote:

Hi Everyone,

Just wanna mention that I've generated the very first set of
Win64 builds.

I've set up a schedule to generate both 32 and 64 bit nightlies.

But while it's building 2.53, Win64 isn't officially 'contributed'
until (tentatively) 2.54 (which gives us some time to figure the quirks
of Win64 building).

Please do check it out.  At this moment, I would just download
the ZIP file (as opposed to the Installer... unless you're running
it on a spare computer.)

http://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-central-trunk/seamonkey-2.53a1.en-US.win64.zip

Edmund

PS: Not entirely sure if I generated it right even if the about:support
shows Win64.  So feedback appreciated.  (Getting a bad feeling I
did something wrong...)



The one thing I noticed in testing this build is that theme wonkyness 
happens. I was on Modern and it defaulted to Default theme. When 
switching back to Modern, it hangs and has to be killed in Task Manager. 
After a restart, Modern theme is applied.

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Re: win64 contributed builds.

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On 8/2/2017 5:07 AM, Edmund Wong wrote:

Hi Everyone,

Just wanna mention that I've generated the very first set of
Win64 builds.

I've set up a schedule to generate both 32 and 64 bit nightlies.

But while it's building 2.53, Win64 isn't officially 'contributed'
until (tentatively) 2.54 (which gives us some time to figure the quirks
of Win64 building).

Please do check it out.  At this moment, I would just download
the ZIP file (as opposed to the Installer... unless you're running
it on a spare computer.)

http://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-central-trunk/seamonkey-2.53a1.en-US.win64.zip

Edmund

PS: Not entirely sure if I generated it right even if the about:support
shows Win64.  So feedback appreciated.  (Getting a bad feeling I
did something wrong...)



Visiting the HTML5 test site, I get a spinning circle and it never gives 
a score.

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Re: SM2.48 (Mac) crashed during changing the SM-Apps like email

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Site still not working since two weeks ago.

The site was unavailable due to server problems. Still not fully 
restored I see.

You can get the OSX version from here:

https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/comm-esr52
Make sure you get the comm-esr52 when it is back. No Nightly or release. 
SeaMonkey releases are moving to the ESR branch.

FRG

Mexx Headrmmm wrote:

Ed Mullen schrieb am 30.07.2017 um 20:30:

Hmm.  I was going to give you the link but it's giving a 404 error.

 



Hi Ed,

thx for the link but I look for the Mac-Version . ;-)

Greets
-Markus





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Re: SM2.48 (Mac) crashed during changing the SM-Apps like email

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On 7/30/2017 1:30 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:
On 7/30/17 at 2:21 PM, Mexx Headrmmm created this epitome of digital 
genius:

Frank-Rainer Grahl schrieb am 30.07.17 um 18:02:
Not an OSX expert. Make sure you country settings in Sierra are ok. 
Maybe try

2.49.1 from Adrian or check 2.48 with a new test new profile.
If this doesn't help please file a bug. There was a similar one but I 
can't
find it. I can also bake you an up to date 2.49.1 de if you want. I 
this case

shot me an email.
FRG


Hi Frank,

maybe you can post the link wher I can get Adrians Version ??? ;-)

Greets
-Markus



Hmm.  I was going to give you the link but it's giving a 404 error.

 





A couple weeks ago I posted about why moz-comm was down and my post got 
deleted.

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Seems like mozilla-community.org has been down a couple days. Anyone 
know what's up?

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Re: Download manager bustage in SM 2.52

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On 6/23/2017 8:38 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

See bug 888915:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=888915

The old backend was removed. SeaMonkey now uses jsdownloads but this 
needs further work. I intent to work on this but intentions do not give 
me more free time so just consider it broken for now :)


The list of what needs fixing is in the user story of the bug. If you 
find other things please add them.


FRG

TCW wrote:
I'm using Adrian's 2.52 build (20170619232723) and now whenever I 
download something 1) the download manager doesn't appear, 2) download 
manager progress shows the item as Not Started but it has, and, in my 
case, 3) the download is repeatedly flashing in the task bar if I 
CTRL-J and minimize it to taskbar. Time Left and Transferred see to 
work ok.


My options are set like so:

1. When starting a download: open a progress dialog + just flash the 
download manager if it is already open

2. When saving a file: Always Ask me where to save files
3. Download history: remove entries: when completed
4. When a download completes: show and alert

Nothing changed on my end. Win 7 x64. Using x64 SM build.




Well, that for sure explains it. =) Thanks for this info.
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I'm using Adrian's 2.52 build (20170619232723) and now whenever I 
download something 1) the download manager doesn't appear, 2) download 
manager progress shows the item as Not Started but it has, and, in my 
case, 3) the download is repeatedly flashing in the task bar if I CTRL-J 
and minimize it to taskbar. Time Left and Transferred see to work ok.


My options are set like so:

1. When starting a download: open a progress dialog + just flash the 
download manager if it is already open

2. When saving a file: Always Ask me where to save files
3. Download history: remove entries: when completed
4. When a download completes: show and alert

Nothing changed on my end. Win 7 x64. Using x64 SM build.
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Re: SM 2.51 from akalla coming soon?

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On 6/15/2017 11:32 AM, rickman wrote:

WaltS48 wrote on 6/14/2017 1:37 PM:

On 6/14/17 1:17 PM, TCW wrote:

Just curious.


A release version, or something else?

I thought 2.49 was going to be an ESR, should be a 2.49.2 in that case.


What's an ESR?  Equivalent Series Resistance, Erythrocyte Sedimentation 
Rate, Electronic Service Record, Electron Spin Resonance, ah!  Extended 
Support Release...  what does that mean?




It means it will not get new features added, usually only security 
updates. Corporations prefer the ESR branch for stability.

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Re: SM 2.51 from akalla coming soon?

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On 6/15/17 1:02 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Daniel wrote:


Some of us are still waiting for a final SM 2.49, let along a 2.49.2 
or 2.51!! ;-(




2.48 / 2.49 is held up by

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1368277

Rather trivial but needs a final ux review which hasn't happened yet 
because the reviewer is currently swamped with work. Hopefully this 
weekend.


FRG



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Re: SM 2.51 from akalla coming soon?

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On 6/14/17 12:37 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 6/14/17 1:17 PM, TCW wrote:

Just curious.


A release version, or something else?

I thought 2.49 was going to be an ESR, should be a 2.49.2 in that case.



I think I read that was going to be the case as well. I'm on 2.51 beta 
myself so was just curious if a final 2.51 was coming.

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Just curious.
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Re: There's a new stable akalla 2.50 x64 build

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On 4/24/17 8:05 AM, TCW wrote:
Just saw it here 
https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-release-windows64/ 

Well, after quiet a bit of regular browser use, I am up to 1.2GB of RAM 
use on SM 2.51b with one window open.


While I would say that's a memory leak (even after running the options 
under about:memory "Free Memory") it's certainly not as laggy as 2.50 
was when it got to this RAM consumption level. Still seems performant to me.

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Re: There's a new stable akalla 2.50 x64 build

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On 4/27/17 12:55 PM, Pat Connors wrote:

TCW wrote:

Task manager will show current memory consumption.
I cannot find the 'task manager', I checked all the categories and do 
not see it.




Press CTRL-ALT-DEL (if you're using Windows) and click Task Manager. 
Might also have to click on "Show Processes From All Users" to see it.

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Re: There's a new stable akalla 2.50 x64 build

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On 4/27/17 4:34 AM, Richmond wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

TCW wrote:


On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 13:32:05 -0700, Pat Connors
<nymet...@pacbell.net> wrote:


Leaky as in memory leakage. 2.48 and 2.49 were leaky for me.
During the course of the day memory usage would just go up and up
and never be freed up until I was consuming 1-2GB RAM. 2.50beta
was fine the 2.50 release brought back the leakiness. I just
switched to the 2.51 beta this morning and I'm only using a
little over 600MB with two windows open.


Thanks for getting back to me.  I work with usually 3 windows open,
  sometimes 4 and have had no problems.  However, I do not know how
to check 'memory usage'.  So if it is leaky, I do not know.  I just
know that 2.48, 2.49 and now 2.50 are running fine for me.


Task manager will show current memory consumption.


Yes and no. There are often system processes that consume memory but are
not shown unless you check the box "Show processes from all users." The
default view can be very deceptive for example if Windows Update running
in background is secretly sucking up half your RAM.



You could use about:memory maybe. It's on the debugger menu. I am not
sure if you need the debugger addon.

https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey:Debug_And_QA_UI



Yes, but it's not going to give you a sum amount being consumed. For a 
mere mortal to parse out all the info that is shown when you measure 
usage in about:memory, it can be intimidating.

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Re: There's a new stable akalla 2.50 x64 build

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On 4/26/17 1:32 PM, Pat Connors wrote:


I have found this final version of Adrian's 2.50 leaky as the previous 
versions were. The 2.50 beta from March seemed better. I was able to 
crash 2.50 after it had consumed 1+GB of RAM and then measuring memory 
but even with 2.50 beta, I was always stable. 


What does 'leaky' mean?
I have been using Adrian's versions, and have had no problems. Maybe I 
have problems that I am not aware of??




Leaky as in memory leakage. 2.48 and 2.49 were leaky for me. During the 
course of the day memory usage would just go up and up and never be 
freed up until I was consuming 1-2GB RAM. 2.50beta was fine the 2.50 
release brought back the leakiness. I just switched to the 2.51 beta 
this morning and I'm only using a little over 600MB with two windows 
open. So, not sure what's up in the release of 2.50 except RAM usage. 
When I tried to find out why? Crash! 
http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-f7f9a5d4-da46-45c7-bf99-510bf0170424

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Re: There's a new stable akalla 2.50 x64 build

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On 4/24/17 4:24 PM, S Slicer wrote:

TCW wrote:

Just saw it here
https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-release-windows64/ 




The last 64- bit version that worked for me was 2.45!

I even uninstalled all add-ons, and v2.50, like the others after v2.45, 
crashed every time I tried to compose an e-mail or reply to an e-mail. I 
have no idea why.


I have found this final version of Adrian's 2.50 leaky as the previous 
versions were. The 2.50 beta from March seemed better. I was able to 
crash 2.50 after it had consumed 1+GB of RAM and then measuring memory 
but even with 2.50 beta, I was always stable.

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Re: There's a new stable akalla 2.50 x64 build

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On 4/24/17 1:41 PM, EE wrote:

TCW wrote:

Just saw it here
https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-release-windows64/ 



Do the language packs work, and is the problem with the devtools 
eyedropper fixed yet?




Only one way to find out. ;-)
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Re: There's a new stable akalla 2.50 x64 build

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On 4/24/17 8:27 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 4/24/17 9:05 AM, TCW wrote:
Just saw it here 
https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-release-windows64/ 




He isn't going to follow the ESR channel so WindowsXP and Vista users 
can use his builds?




Hard to say without giving it a try. I imagine if you're using his past 
2.50 build from mid-March, this version should likely work. As always, 
back up before you try.

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Just saw it here 
https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-release-windows64/

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Re: What is the maximum memory footprint of 64 bit Seamonkey for Windows?

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On 4/14/17 11:33 AM, Dirk Munk wrote:

TCW wrote:

On 4/14/17 10:25 AM, Dirk Munk wrote:
There is a maximum memory footprint for the 64 bit version of 
SeaMonkey on Windows, what is causing that? With too many tabs open, 
Seamonkey will crash. I suppose a 64 bit application shouldn't run 
out of memory.


With about:memory , this shows up:

WARNING: the following values are negative or unreasonably large.

 explicit/(19 tiny)
 explicit/(19 tiny)/heap-unclassified

This indicates a defect in one or more memory reporters. The invalid 
values are highlighted.


and:

└───-382.40 MB (-10.76%) -- (19 tiny) [?!]
 ├30.30 MB (00.85%) ++ storage
 ├24.38 MB (00.69%) ++ gfx
 ├21.57 MB (00.61%) ++ xpconnect
 ├20.48 MB (00.58%) ++ atom-tables
 ├─4.94 MB (00.14%) ++ startup-cache
 ├─4.14 MB (00.12%) ++ dom
 ├─3.81 MB (00.11%) ++ workers
 ├─3.32 MB (00.09%) ── spell-check
 ├─2.97 MB (00.08%) ++ cycle-collector
 ├─1.38 MB (00.04%) ── history-links-hashtable
 ├─1.23 MB (00.03%) ── xpti-working-set
 ├─1.12 MB (00.03%) ── cookie-service
 ├─1.01 MB (00.03%) ── preferences
 ├─0.62 MB (00.02%) ── telemetry
 ├─0.56 MB (00.02%) ── icu
 ├─0.30 MB (00.01%) ++ xpcom
 ├─0.13 MB (00.00%) ++ media
 ├─0.01 MB (00.00%) ── script-namespace-manager
 └──-504.68 MB (-14.20%) ── heap-unclassified [?!]




What version of Seamonkey?
V2.49, but I have seen this behaviour on all version of SeaMonkey, 32 
bit and 64 bit. Of course the 64 bit versions behave much better.


The two values above are -382.40MB and -504.68MB, high unsigned value 
displayed as a signed value?


From what I've been reading with respect to the profiling tool that 
Nicholas Nethercote has been doing 
(https://blog.mozilla.org/nnethercote/), some of that vague stuff should 
get more meaningful but probably not until SM 2.51 or later.

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Re: What is the maximum memory footprint of 64 bit Seamonkey for Windows?

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On 4/14/17 10:25 AM, Dirk Munk wrote:
There is a maximum memory footprint for the 64 bit version of SeaMonkey 
on Windows, what is causing that? With too many tabs open, Seamonkey 
will crash. I suppose a 64 bit application shouldn't run out of memory.


With about:memory , this shows up:

WARNING: the following values are negative or unreasonably large.

 explicit/(19 tiny)
 explicit/(19 tiny)/heap-unclassified

This indicates a defect in one or more memory reporters. The invalid 
values are highlighted.


and:

└───-382.40 MB (-10.76%) -- (19 tiny) [?!]
 ├30.30 MB (00.85%) ++ storage
 ├24.38 MB (00.69%) ++ gfx
 ├21.57 MB (00.61%) ++ xpconnect
 ├20.48 MB (00.58%) ++ atom-tables
 ├─4.94 MB (00.14%) ++ startup-cache
 ├─4.14 MB (00.12%) ++ dom
 ├─3.81 MB (00.11%) ++ workers
 ├─3.32 MB (00.09%) ── spell-check
 ├─2.97 MB (00.08%) ++ cycle-collector
 ├─1.38 MB (00.04%) ── history-links-hashtable
 ├─1.23 MB (00.03%) ── xpti-working-set
 ├─1.12 MB (00.03%) ── cookie-service
 ├─1.01 MB (00.03%) ── preferences
 ├─0.62 MB (00.02%) ── telemetry
 ├─0.56 MB (00.02%) ── icu
 ├─0.30 MB (00.01%) ++ xpcom
 ├─0.13 MB (00.00%) ++ media
 ├─0.01 MB (00.00%) ── script-namespace-manager
 └──-504.68 MB (-14.20%) ── heap-unclassified [?!]




What version of Seamonkey?
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Re: Link to E-mail Not Working

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On 4/14/17 10:08 AM, David E. Ross wrote:

Windows 7
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.46
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/52.0
Protocols:  POP3 and SMTP

When I select a mailto: link in a Web page, I get a SeaMonkey "Account
Wizard" window to establish a new E-mail account.  I used to get a
Thunderbird compose window since I use Thunderbird for E-mail.  In
Windows 7, Thunderbird is already sent as my default application for
mailto:.

Why is this happening?  What can I do to restore Thunderbird as the
proper application for mailto:?



In SM, is Edit > Preferences > Mail & Newsgroups > Mail (mailto:) unchecked?
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SM2.50 doesn't seem to respect --blank-- setting in Headers & Footers setting of Page Setup

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Seems that even when set to blank, it still prints header and footers. 
Can anyone repro on Adrian's 2.50?

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Re: Can anyone repro this: odd video playback issue

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On 4/10/17 3:36 AM, Richmond wrote:

TCW wrote:



Yup, that's exactly what I am seeing.



Are you using the Modern them? You know the one that's about 20 years
old? :) Try switching back to the other one, default theme. I think that
will fix it.



Meant to say it rubs my rhubarb. =P
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Re: Can anyone repro this: odd video playback issue

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On 4/10/17 3:36 AM, Richmond wrote:

TCW wrote:



Yup, that's exactly what I am seeing.



Are you using the Modern them? You know the one that's about 20 years
old? :) Try switching back to the other one, default theme. I think that
will fix it.



Yes, I am using Modern. And yes, that did "fix" it but, it just rhubarb 
my rhubarb that it's not 100% across the board on all videos there. I 
just wonder if on that page it's some minor page formatting issue.

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Re: Can anyone repro this: odd video playback issue

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On 4/7/17 8:55 AM, TCW wrote:
On a few occasions, I get a weird playback issue on video on CNN. Here 
is one example: https://tinyurl.com/kbrfoht


The video controls and such are all munged. I'm on Adrian's 2.50 build 
but I've seen it once or twice with Adrian's 2.49.


The error reads "Video loading stopped. Video playback aborted due to a 
network error. Video can't be played because the file is corrupt. Video 
format or MIME type is not supported. No video with supported format and 
MIME type found. Video playback aborted due to an unknown error." Of 
course, the video plays but the progress bar and controls look all wonky.


Error console shows:

Timestamp: 4/7/17, 10:49:27 AM
Error: XML Parsing Error: no root element found
Location: https://logx.optimizely.com/log/event
Line Number 1, Column 1:
Source File: https://logx.optimizely.com/log/event
Line: 1

Timestamp: 4/7/17, 10:49:27 AM
Error: XML Parsing Error: no root element found
Location: https://logx.optimizely.com/log/decision
Line Number 1, Column 1:
Source File: https://logx.optimizely.com/log/decision
Line: 1

Timestamp: 4/7/17, 10:49:28 AM
Error: ReferenceError: stLight is not defined
Source File: 
http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/06/investing/oil-prices-syria-us-military-action/index.html

Line: 1409

Timestamp: 4/7/17, 10:49:28 AM
Error: IndexedDB UnknownErr: ActorsParent.cpp:594

Timestamp: 4/7/17, 10:49:28 AM
Error: UnknownError
Source File: http://d2lv4zbk7v5f93.cloudfront.net/esf.js
Line: 4

Timestamp: 4/7/17, 10:49:29 AM
Error: XML Parsing Error: no root element found
Location: https://logx.optimizely.com/log/event
Line Number 1, Column 1:
Source File: https://logx.optimizely.com/log/event
Line: 1

Timestamp: 4/7/17, 10:49:29 AM
Error: XML Parsing Error: no root element found
Location: https://logx.optimizely.com/log/event
Line Number 1, Column 1:
Source File: https://logx.optimizely.com/log/event
Line: 1

Timestamp: 4/7/17, 10:49:42 AM
Error: Error: cvp_story_0 is already in use
Source File: http://z.cdn.turner.com/xslo/cvp/js/cvp/2.8.4.1/cvp.min.js
Line: 3
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Re: Can anyone repro this: odd video playback issue

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On 4/7/17 10:46 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

TCW wrote:


On a few occasions, I get a weird playback issue on video on CNN.
Here is one example: https://tinyurl.com/kbrfoht

The video controls and such are all munged. I'm on Adrian's 2.50
build but I've seen it once or twice with Adrian's 2.49.

The error reads "Video loading stopped. Video playback aborted due to
a network error. Video can't be played because the file is corrupt.
Video format or MIME type is not supported. No video with supported
format and MIME type found. Video playback aborted due to an unknown
error." Of course, the video plays but the progress bar and controls
look all wonky.


If it's a network error as they say, reloading should solve it.

On my machine, the video plays normally, but stops whenever I change the 
volume. That much is weird. And as on many news sites, the next 
(unrelated) video autostarts shortly after the current one ends.


But what version of SM?

Please don't hide your target URLs here by using tinyurl -- many 
subscribers will distrust that and choose not to help you.


Sure.

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Re: Can anyone repro this: odd video playback issue

[TCW]

On 4/7/17 8:55 AM, TCW wrote:
On a few occasions, I get a weird playback issue on video on CNN. Here 
is one example: https://tinyurl.com/kbrfoht


The video controls and such are all munged. I'm on Adrian's 2.50 build 
but I've seen it once or twice with Adrian's 2.49.


The error reads "Video loading stopped. Video playback aborted due to a 
network error. Video can't be played because the file is corrupt. Video 
format or MIME type is not supported. No video with supported format and 
MIME type found. Video playback aborted due to an unknown error." Of 
course, the video plays but the progress bar and controls look all wonky.


Doesn't seem to be an add-on as with all disabled it still fails to 
render properly. Safemode seems to work ok though. Hmm...

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Re: Can anyone repro this: odd video playback issue

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On 4/7/17 10:39 AM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 4/7/2017 6:55 AM, TCW wrote:

On a few occasions, I get a weird playback issue on video on CNN. Here
is one example: https://tinyurl.com/kbrfoht

The video controls and such are all munged. I'm on Adrian's 2.50 build
but I've seen it once or twice with Adrian's 2.49.

The error reads "Video loading stopped. Video playback aborted due to a
network error. Video can't be played because the file is corrupt. Video
format or MIME type is not supported. No video with supported format and
MIME type found. Video playback aborted due to an unknown error." Of
course, the video plays but the progress bar and controls look all wonky.



Windows 7
SeaMonkey 2.46
Flash and HTML5 both enabled (I do not know which is used by CNN)
AdBlock Plus disabled
Secret Agent disabled
Images from all sources enabled

Works for me



I'm sure it works fine on 2.46. Can you try with Adrian's stable build 
of 2.49 (http://tinyurl.com/j2ju4s7)?

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[TCW]

On a few occasions, I get a weird playback issue on video on CNN. Here 
is one example: https://tinyurl.com/kbrfoht


The video controls and such are all munged. I'm on Adrian's 2.50 build 
but I've seen it once or twice with Adrian's 2.49.


The error reads "Video loading stopped. Video playback aborted due to a 
network error. Video can't be played because the file is corrupt. Video 
format or MIME type is not supported. No video with supported format and 
MIME type found. Video playback aborted due to an unknown error." Of 
course, the video plays but the progress bar and controls look all wonky.

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Re: memory leaks in SeaMonkey 2.48

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On 4/5/17 3:33 PM, Mason83 wrote:

On 28/03/2017 20:58, Mason83 wrote:


On 28/03/2017 18:09, David H. Durgee wrote:


Looking at the memory report in the browser I see the following:

└──-2,644.69 MB (-158.38%) ── heap-unclassified [?!]

The memory figure is highlighted in red, so I assume this is a problem.
I have the memory report saved and can make it available to you.


This looks like some kind of wrap-around of a signed
32-bit variable...


Here is a similar report I got (anonymized)

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0 
SeaMonkey/2.48
Build identifier: 20170129231126

   PID USER  PR  NIVIRTRESSHR S  %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
  3900 me20   0 3771572 2,184g 118016 S   1,0 56,6 261:21.26 seamonkey

Main Process

WARNING: the following values are negative or unreasonably large.

 explicit/(19 tiny)
 explicit/(19 tiny)/heap-unclassified

This indicates a defect in one or more memory reporters. The invalid values are 
highlighted.
Explicit Allocations

2,177.11 MB (100.0%) -- explicit
├──1,717.08 MB (78.87%) -- maildb
│  ├482.04 MB (22.14%) ── database(news://XXX)
│  ├329.31 MB (15.13%) ── database(imap://XXX)
│  ├251.00 MB (11.53%) ── database(news://XXX)
│  ├145.23 MB (06.67%) ── database(news://XXX)
│  ├─97.12 MB (04.46%) ── database(news://XXX)
│  ├─83.93 MB (03.86%) ── database(imap://XXX)
│  ├─79.31 MB (03.64%) ── database(imap://XXX)
│  ├─75.64 MB (03.47%) ── database(imap://XXX)
│  ├─42.90 MB (01.97%) ── database(imap://XXX)
│  ├─37.75 MB (01.73%) ++ (16 tiny)
│  ├─37.49 MB (01.72%) ── database(imap://XXX)
│  ├─28.34 MB (01.30%) ── database(imap://XXX)
│  └─27.01 MB (01.24%) ── database(snews://XXX)
├618.48 MB (28.41%) -- window-objects
│├──564.71 MB (25.94%) -- top(none)
││  ├──521.49 MB (23.95%) -- detached
││  │  ├──135.31 MB (06.21%) -- 
window(chrome://messenger/content/messenger.xul)
││  │  │  ├───69.91 MB (03.21%) -- js-compartment([System Principal], 
about:blank)
││  │  │  │   ├──40.36 MB (01.85%) -- classes
││  │  │  │   │  ├──25.21 MB (01.16%) -- class(Function)/objects
││  │  │  │   │  │  ├──24.79 MB (01.14%) ── gc-heap [46]
││  │  │  │   │  │  └───0.41 MB (00.02%) ── malloc-heap/slots [46]
││  │  │  │   │  └──15.15 MB (00.70%) ++ (6 tiny)
││  │  │  │   └──29.55 MB (01.36%) ++ (6 tiny)
││  │  │  ├───63.92 MB (02.94%) -- dom
││  │  │  │   ├──43.31 MB (01.99%) ── element-nodes [46]
││  │  │  │   └──20.60 MB (00.95%) ++ (4 tiny)
││  │  │  └1.48 MB (00.07%) ++ (2 tiny)
││  │  ├──135.12 MB (06.21%) -- 
window(chrome://navigator/content/navigator.xul)
││  │  │  ├───85.63 MB (03.93%) -- js-compartment([System Principal], 
about:blank)
││  │  │  │   ├──46.91 MB (02.15%) -- classes
││  │  │  │   │  ├──35.30 MB (01.62%) -- class(Function)/objects
││  │  │  │   │  │  ├──34.62 MB (01.59%) ── gc-heap [65]
││  │  │  │   │  │  └───0.69 MB (00.03%) ── malloc-heap/slots [65]
││  │  │  │   │  └──11.61 MB (00.53%) ++ (5 tiny)
││  │  │  │   ├──28.09 MB (01.29%) ++ scripts
││  │  │  │   └──10.62 MB (00.49%) ++ (4 tiny)
││  │  │  ├───49.21 MB (02.26%) -- dom
││  │  │  │   ├──35.94 MB (01.65%) ── element-nodes [65]
││  │  │  │   └──13.27 MB (00.61%) ++ (4 tiny)
││  │  │  └0.28 MB (00.01%) ++ (2 tiny)
││  │  ├──112.00 MB (05.14%) -- 
window(chrome://messenger/content/messageWindow.xul)
││  │  │  ├───66.50 MB (03.05%) -- js-compartment([System Principal], 
about:blank)
││  │  │  │   ├──38.84 MB (01.78%) -- classes
││  │  │  │   │  ├──28.37 MB (01.30%) -- class(Function)/objects
││  │  │  │   │  │  ├──28.00 MB (01.29%) ── gc-heap [65]
││  │  │  │   │  │  └───0.36 MB (00.02%) ── malloc-heap/slots [65]
││  │  │  │   │  └──10.48 MB (00.48%) ++ (5 tiny)
││  │  │  │   └──27.65 MB (01.27%) ++ (5 tiny)
││  │  │  ├───45.19 MB (02.08%) -- dom
││  │  │  │   ├──31.74 MB (01.46%) ── element-nodes [65]
││  │  │  │   └──13.45 MB (00.62%) ++ (3 tiny)
││  │  │  └0.32 MB (00.01%) ++ (2 tiny)
││  │  ├──101.75 MB (04.67%) -- 
window(chrome://messenger/content/messengercompose/messengercompose.xul)
││  │  │  ├───63.55 MB (02.92%) -- js-compartment([System Principal], 
about:blank)
││  │  │  │   ├──34.76 MB (01.60%) -- classes
││  │  │  │   │  ├──26.81 MB (01.23%) -- class(Function)/objects
││  │  │  │   │  │  ├──26.41 MB (01.21%) ── gc-heap [57]
││  │  │  │   │  │  └───0.40 MB (00.02%) ── malloc-heap/slots [57]
││  │  │  │   │  └───7.95 MB (00.37%) ++ (6 tiny)
││  │  │  │   ├──21.81 MB (01.00%) ++ scripts
││  │  │  │   └───6.98 MB (00.32%) ++ (5 tiny)
││  │  │  ├───37.84 MB (01.74%) -- dom
││  │  │  │   ├──27.44 MB (01.26%) ── element-nodes [57]
││  │  │  │   └──10.39 MB (00.48%) ++ (3 tiny)
││  │  │  └0.37 MB (00.02%) ++ (2 tiny)
││  │  └───37.31 MB (01.71%) ++ (9 tiny)
││  

Re: Folder Follies

[TCW]

On 3/27/17 8:28 AM, MozUser wrote:
I am in the process of downloading a file from a web server someplace in 
the world.

On Win10 & Seamonkey asks me where to put it.
I click the New Folder button and get a new folder that I then type into 
to put in the name I want for the folder.


I hit enter and the name change does not show.

I have to click back up the tree then back to the parent folder that I 
had when I named the new folder and now I see then name and can use the 
folder.


Thanks Mozilla for user friendly software.



This may simply be a bug in 2.46. Have you tried using Adrian's build of 
2.49? I don't know if you're on 64-bit or 32-bit Seamonkey but this is 
the 32-bit build.

https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-release-windows32/
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Re: Yahoo Forcing Switch from POP3 to EMAP on 3/31/2017. How to Convert?

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On 3/16/2017 9:34 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Richmond wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

On 3/16/2017 6:30 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Yahoo is eliminating POP3 on 3/31/2017 and therefore I have to switch
to IMAP


Do you have an url to confirm this?


https://help.yahoo.com/kb/mail-for-desktop/sln28161.html

but it says "Yahoo Mail POP import discontinued". So I don't need "POP Import"
and therefore can forget switching to IMAP?



Yeah I guess so. Lots of noise for nothin'.
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Re: Yahoo Forcing Switch from POP3 to EMAP on 3/31/2017. How to Convert?

[TCW]

On 3/16/2017 9:21 AM, Richmond wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

On 3/16/2017 6:30 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Yahoo is eliminating POP3 on 3/31/2017 and therefore I have to switch
to IMAP


Do you have an url to confirm this?



From the Yahoo article: 
https://support.mozilla.org/t5/Basics/Switch-from-POP-to-IMAP-account/ta-p/16434


Yahoo Mail POP import discontinued, use IMAP instead

If you're using POP (Post Office Protocol) import to pull emails from 
another email account into Yahoo Mail, we encourage you to connect your 
external account via IMAP import. After March 31, 2017, we will no 
longer support POP import on desktop, as we're retiring the legacy 
system that supports this protocol. Any emails previously imported into 
Yahoo Mail will remain.


So yes, back to Defcon 1, POP is not disappearing but import to POP from 
another account is. Still, the hard sell on IMAP implies folks should 
switch. I agree. IMAP is far superiot to POP3.

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Re: Yahoo Forcing Switch from POP3 to EMAP on 3/31/2017. How to Convert?

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On 3/16/2017 9:17 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 3/16/17 9:25 AM, TCW wrote:

On 3/16/2017 8:12 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

TCW wrote:

On 3/16/2017 6:30 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Yahoo is eliminating POP3 on 3/31/2017 and therefore I have to switch
to IMAP
and I understand I will have to create a new email account for IMAP.
All my past
emails are stored on my computer, not on the Yahoo server except for
the last
two months or so. I am looking for a reference on Mozilla that gives an
explanation of (1) how to convert from POP3 to IMAP and (2) copy my
old POP3
emails to my new IMAP account. Any suggestions for a good Help file?



Someone in a similar boat asked this question and I responded like so:



If *all* of your email is on the server and nothing is stored locally,
you'll be ok to:

1. Create a new account in Seamonkey that will be your IMAP account with
IMAP server settings.

2. Once the IMAP account is up and running and all looks well, set it as
the Default account.

3. Delete the POP3 account.

Is should be as simple as that. If you do have some mail stored locally,
create a new folder in Local Folder called TEMP or HOLD (or whatever)
and move your local mail there and then go through steps 1, 2 and 3.
When done, just move the mail back from TEMP or HOLD.




Thanks. I'll test the procedure out on my "spare" computer to make sure
it works. Under my current mail account of 50-100 filters, I have 50-100
folders so this could get complicated





Yeah, it would. I'm not sure how to port over the filters to the IMAP account.
Maybe someone could chime in.



Copy the msgFilterRules.dat file, from the POP3 account, to the IMAP account in
your profile.


Forget the stuff from NJORACLE. That's a pseudonym I use some times.

This article (near the bottom) implies that I may have to change my email
address. If true, I cannot live with that.
https://support.mozilla.org/t5/Basics/Switch-from-POP-to-IMAP-account/ta-p/16434



No, no, no. It stays the same. You're simply creating another way to 
access the *same* account.

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Re: Yahoo Forcing Switch from POP3 to EMAP on 3/31/2017. How to Convert?

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On 3/16/2017 8:12 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

TCW wrote:

On 3/16/2017 6:30 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Yahoo is eliminating POP3 on 3/31/2017 and therefore I have to switch
to IMAP
and I understand I will have to create a new email account for IMAP.
All my past
emails are stored on my computer, not on the Yahoo server except for
the last
two months or so. I am looking for a reference on Mozilla that gives an
explanation of (1) how to convert from POP3 to IMAP and (2) copy my
old POP3
emails to my new IMAP account. Any suggestions for a good Help file?



Someone in a similar boat asked this question and I responded like so:



If *all* of your email is on the server and nothing is stored locally,
you'll be ok to:

1. Create a new account in Seamonkey that will be your IMAP account with
IMAP server settings.

2. Once the IMAP account is up and running and all looks well, set it as
the Default account.

3. Delete the POP3 account.

Is should be as simple as that. If you do have some mail stored locally,
create a new folder in Local Folder called TEMP or HOLD (or whatever)
and move your local mail there and then go through steps 1, 2 and 3.
When done, just move the mail back from TEMP or HOLD.

---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com


Thanks. I'll test the procedure out on my "spare" computer to make sure
it works. Under my current mail account of 50-100 filters, I have 50-100
folders so this could get complicated

---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com




Yeah, it would. I'm not sure how to port over the filters to the IMAP 
account. Maybe someone could chime in.

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Re: Yahoo Forcing Switch from POP3 to EMAP on 3/31/2017. How to Convert?

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On 3/16/2017 8:07 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 3/16/17 8:51 AM, TCW wrote:

On 3/16/2017 6:30 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
Yahoo is eliminating POP3 on 3/31/2017 and therefore I have to switch 
to IMAP
and I understand I will have to create a new email account for IMAP. 
All my past
emails are stored on my computer, not on the Yahoo server except for 
the last

two months or so. I am looking for a reference on Mozilla that gives an
explanation of (1) how to convert from POP3 to IMAP and (2) copy my 
old POP3

emails to my new IMAP account. Any suggestions for a good Help file?



Someone in a similar boat asked this question and I responded like so:



If *all* of your email is on the server and nothing is stored locally, 
you'll be ok to:


1. Create a new account in Seamonkey that will be your IMAP account 
with IMAP server settings.


2. Once the IMAP account is up and running and all looks well, set it 
as the Default account.


3. Delete the POP3 account.

Is should be as simple as that. If you do have some mail stored 
locally, create a new folder in Local Folder called TEMP or HOLD (or 
whatever) and move your local mail there and then go through steps 1, 
2 and 3. When done, just move the mail back from TEMP or HOLD.



Why couldn't he just keep the POP3 account, delete the server settings 
and never have it check for mail?




Yeah, probably fine too. Just leaves the cruft of the old account.
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Re: Yahoo Forcing Switch from POP3 to EMAP on 3/31/2017. How to Convert?

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On 3/16/2017 6:30 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Yahoo is eliminating POP3 on 3/31/2017 and therefore I have to switch to IMAP
and I understand I will have to create a new email account for IMAP. All my past
emails are stored on my computer, not on the Yahoo server except for the last
two months or so. I am looking for a reference on Mozilla that gives an
explanation of (1) how to convert from POP3 to IMAP and (2) copy my old POP3
emails to my new IMAP account. Any suggestions for a good Help file?



Someone in a similar boat asked this question and I responded like so:



If *all* of your email is on the server and nothing is stored locally, 
you'll be ok to:


1. Create a new account in Seamonkey that will be your IMAP account with 
IMAP server settings.


2. Once the IMAP account is up and running and all looks well, set it as 
the Default account.


3. Delete the POP3 account.

Is should be as simple as that. If you do have some mail stored locally, 
create a new folder in Local Folder called TEMP or HOLD (or whatever) 
and move your local mail there and then go through steps 1, 2 and 3. 
When done, just move the mail back from TEMP or HOLD.

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Re: PING akalla

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On 3/15/2017 9:30 PM, NoOp wrote:

On 3/13/2017 10:55 AM, TCW wrote:

Planning on building a 2.49 or waiting on 52.0.1?




?? He's had 2.49 out for some time:

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49
Build identifier: 20170314033308

https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/
(mozilla-community.org seems to down just now, but check it later)



Site has been unreachable since yesterday.
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Re: Problems with Yahoo POP mail

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On 3/15/2017 8:02 AM, David H. Durgee wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:

Since 9 March I have been unable to retrieve my Yahoo mail in SeaMonkey
via their POP3 server.  I have made no changes, so I assume it is a
problem or change on their end.  When I attempt to manually retrieve
Yahoo mail I get:

"The POP3 mail server (pop.mail.yahoo.com) does not support UIDL or XTND
XLST, which are required to implement the ``Leave on Server'', ``Maximum
Message Size'' or ``Fetch Headers Only'' options. To download your mail,
turn off these options in the Server Settings for your mail server in
the Account Settings window."

Of course I AM interested in leaving messages on the server in case I am
out of the office and want to check Yahoo mail.  Is anyone else seeing
this problem?  Is there an alternative POP3 server for Yahoo that does
work properly?

I seem to recall seeing this problem occasionally in the past and
thought that it occurred when Yahoo had some sort of a POP3 server crash
and failed to initially recover all functions.  But in this case almost
a week has passed and the problem still remains.

Are there any other alternatives to retrieve Yahoo mail with SeaMonkey?
I have no interest in using web mail in the office.

Dave


I think I may have found the answer to my question.  Anyone else using 
Yahoo mail via POP3 see this article:


https://help.yahoo.com/kb/mail-for-desktop/sln28161.html

It appears that Yahoo is dropping POP3 support effective at the end of 
the month.  They suggest using IMAP instead.


How can I switch over in SeaMonkey 2.48 from POP3 to IMAP?  Do I need to 
set up an entirely new mail account, or can I simply edit the server 
configuration for the current mail account?  Will there be any problems 
I should expect with the conversion?


Dave


If *all* of your email is on the server and nothing is stored locally, 
you'll be ok to:


1. Create a new account in Seamonkey that will be your IMAP account with 
IMAP server settings.


2. Once the IMAP account is up and running and all looks well, set it as 
the Default account.


3. Delete the POP3 account.

Is should be as simple as that. If you do have some mail stored locally, 
create a new folder in Local Folder called TEMP or HOLD (or whatever) 
and move your local mail there and then go through steps 1, 2 and 3. 
When done, just move the mail back from TEMP of HOLD.

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Re: 2.49 downloaded on 2 out of 4 machines?

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On 3/14/2017 2:52 PM, njoracle wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 3/14/17 9:41 AM, Mr. Ed wrote:

On 03/14/17 8:48 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

I had 2.49 download on 2 out of 4 of my machines. I tried checking for updates
on the other 2 but got nothing. I suppose the other machines will get 2.49
eventually?

Got the auto update this morning.



Got an update of SeaMonkey 2.46 from http://www.seamonkey-project.org/> > to 2.49? Or do you have some other build
like Adrian's?

The SeaMonkey site is still offering 2.46, and I don't see any 2.49 candidates
here .



I have Adrian's on two machines (not this one) so that probably explains it.



You could always manually grab the update.
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Re: 2.49 downloaded on 2 out of 4 machines?

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On 3/14/2017 11:03 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 3/14/17 11:42 AM, TCW wrote:

On 3/14/2017 10:37 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 3/14/17 10:45 AM, Mr. Ed wrote:

On 03/14/17 10:04 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 3/14/17 9:41 AM, Mr. Ed wrote:

On 03/14/17 8:48 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
I had 2.49 download on 2 out of 4 of my machines. I tried 
checking for updates
on the other 2 but got nothing. I suppose the other machines will 
get 2.49

eventually?

Got the auto update this morning.


Got an update of SeaMonkey 2.46 from <http://www.seamonkey-project.org/> > to 2.49? Or do you have some 
other build

like Adrian's?

The SeaMonkey site is still offering 2.46, and I don't see any 2.49 
candidates

here <https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/candidates/>.


User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49

Auto update from 2.48 to 2.49 on the unofficial release site



This is going to get even more interesting, once SeaMonkey releases 
2.49 as an ESR, provides updates for a year and Adrian doesn't follow 
along, releasing 2.51, 2.52, 2.53 ...




Well, hopefully the build system will be running by then so Adrian 
doesn't have to do it by hand anymore.



I didn't know Adrian was using the build system. I thought he was 
building on his own infrastructure and hosting the releases there.


The SeaMonkey Council is building on Mozilla infrastructure and hosting 
the releases there.


Am I incorrect in that belief?

I know I don't follow this closely enough to be well informed.


Adrian has been building it by hand on a loaner box or from home. So 
he's not using the Mozilla build system.

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Re: 2.49 downloaded on 2 out of 4 machines?

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On 3/14/2017 10:37 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 3/14/17 10:45 AM, Mr. Ed wrote:

On 03/14/17 10:04 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 3/14/17 9:41 AM, Mr. Ed wrote:

On 03/14/17 8:48 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
I had 2.49 download on 2 out of 4 of my machines. I tried checking 
for updates
on the other 2 but got nothing. I suppose the other machines will 
get 2.49

eventually?

Got the auto update this morning.


Got an update of SeaMonkey 2.46 from  > to 2.49? Or do you have some 
other build

like Adrian's?

The SeaMonkey site is still offering 2.46, and I don't see any 2.49 
candidates

here .


User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49

Auto update from 2.48 to 2.49 on the unofficial release site



This is going to get even more interesting, once SeaMonkey releases 2.49 
as an ESR, provides updates for a year and Adrian doesn't follow along, 
releasing 2.51, 2.52, 2.53 ...




Well, hopefully the build system will be running by then so Adrian 
doesn't have to do it by hand anymore.

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Re: out of date?

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On 3/13/2017 4:20 PM, Ronnie wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Progress for the 2.48 beta is tracked here:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1336310

Currently on build 2:
https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/candidates/2.48b1-candidates/build2/


It shouldn't take as long as 2.40 to 2.46 this time :) The beta is
just done now to make sure building works. ewong needs to switch to
new distributions servers (which might still cause a few headaches).

It was decided that 2.48 will be the last gtk2 build so a 2.48 release
will follow the beta. 2.49 hopefully soon afterwards.

FRG

TCW wrote:


Yeah but building Seamonkey has been busted on the official site for
OVER a year+ and the recent successful build of 2.46 took nearly an
act of God for it to be released. If repos continue to wait for those
build to work and build properly again, it may be another year.
Hopefully EWong can fix this bustage but I wouldn't get my hopes up.


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great, however perhaps something as simple as a userstyle to
disable/hide the message might be something worth considering since the
development cycle can lag, given circumstances.



\o/
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Re: out of date?

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On 3/13/2017 3:13 PM, Ronnie wrote:

TCW wrote:

On 3/13/2017 2:33 PM, Ronnie wrote:

TCW wrote:

On 3/13/2017 2:08 PM, Ronnie wrote:

why is seamonkey saying it's 'out of date' when 2.46 was just recently
released?


Because yes, it is out of date. I have seen some attempts to build
2.49 on the Mozilla site, t seems to be failing to build for Win32/64
as it was previously. You should run the Adrian Kalla 2.48 build. It
is stable. If you don't know where it is, I or someone else can point
you to it.
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Well for linux distributions that heavily rely on repositories, until
those repositories are updated, which doesn't occur until an official
release. It only serves to make people uncomfortable running seamonkey
and move on to another browser.



Yeah but building Seamonkey has been busted on the official site for
OVER a year+ and the recent successful build of 2.46 took nearly an
act of God for it to be released. If repos continue to wait for those
build to work and build properly again, it may be another year.
Hopefully EWong can fix this bustage but I wouldn't get my hopes up.
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Regardless of the 'woes', my point still stands. There is no benefit to
announcing an out of date browser when no update is available yet. It
simply discourages people from using the browser which in turn means
less user which leads to a projects death.



Yesand no. This is probably ported over directly from the 
Firefox/Thunderbird code so if it's in there, it'll be in Seamonkey. No 
point to making a special code change for Seamonkey to not advertise it 
being outdated.

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Re: out of date?

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On 3/13/2017 2:33 PM, Ronnie wrote:

TCW wrote:

On 3/13/2017 2:08 PM, Ronnie wrote:

why is seamonkey saying it's 'out of date' when 2.46 was just recently
released?


Because yes, it is out of date. I have seen some attempts to build
2.49 on the Mozilla site, t seems to be failing to build for Win32/64
as it was previously. You should run the Adrian Kalla 2.48 build. It
is stable. If you don't know where it is, I or someone else can point
you to it.
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Well for linux distributions that heavily rely on repositories, until
those repositories are updated, which doesn't occur until an official
release. It only serves to make people uncomfortable running seamonkey
and move on to another browser.



Yeah but building Seamonkey has been busted on the official site for 
OVER a year+ and the recent successful build of 2.46 took nearly an act 
of God for it to be released. If repos continue to wait for those build 
to work and build properly again, it may be another year. Hopefully 
EWong can fix this bustage but I wouldn't get my hopes up.

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