Re: [Talk-transit] totally abandoned rails

2010-07-31 Thread Heiko Jacobs
Michał Borsuk schrieb: Without getting too much into the linguistic issues, I'd support the Swedish railway=historic_path for anything further than stillgelegt (English abandoned?), that is either with track, or without, but not yet turned into a bike path (or anything similar). But let's

Re: [Talk-transit] totally abandoned rails

2010-07-31 Thread Michał Borsuk
On 31 July 2010 10:06, Heiko Jacobs heiko.jac...@gmx.de wrote: Michał Borsuk schrieb: Without getting too much into the linguistic issues, I'd support the Swedish railway=historic_path for anything further than stillgelegt (English abandoned?), that is either with track, or without, but not

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed additional tags for bus stops and an import of San Fracisco data

2010-07-31 Thread Gregory Arenius
I would love to see GTFS data imported into OSM, especially the SF data if you can convince them to change the license. I think the street= tag is a good idea. I'm unsure of the bearing tag. If we know which street the stop is on and where the stop is the direction the bus is going follows from

Re: [Talk-transit] totally abandoned rails

2010-07-31 Thread Michał Borsuk
On 31 July 2010 14:19, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Saturday 31 July 2010 10:06:23 Heiko Jacobs wrote: It seems, that no one else will comment here? I think you don't get much comment because most mappers are too busy with mapping stuff that is still there. If we don't have some

Re: [Talk-transit] totally abandoned rails

2010-07-31 Thread Heiko Jacobs
Michał Borsuk schrieb: I agree with your arguments. Then former? former is a little bit non-specific. A disused or abandoned railway may also be called former Disappeared cannot be used, because it implies that the railway just rolled itself and went home for Feierabend. Or a UFO took it one

Re: [Talk-transit] totally abandoned rails

2010-07-31 Thread Michał Borsuk
On 31 July 2010 15:13, Heiko Jacobs heiko.jac...@gmx.de wrote: Michał Borsuk schrieb: I agree with your arguments. Then former? former is a little bit non-specific. A disused or abandoned railway may also be called former It's already called disused or abandoned. I don't like

Re: [Talk-transit] totally abandoned rails

2010-07-31 Thread Heiko Jacobs
Cartinus schrieb: I'm interested in railways too, so I find that interesting. Railways are relative sparse, so it won't clutter the map much. ... and with the suitable tag it won't clutter the rendered slippy map I don't like gaps. ;-) A former railway between Ittersbach and Pforzheim I could

Re: [Talk-transit] totally abandoned rails

2010-07-31 Thread Michał Borsuk
On 31 July 2010 16:18, Heiko Jacobs heiko.jac...@gmx.de wrote: A former railway between Ittersbach and Pforzheim I could map 90% because there are enough traces (gravel, embankments, cuttings, bridges, ...) but 10% are levveled for farmland or residential ares including buildings. But the

Re: [Talk-transit] totally abandoned rails

2010-07-31 Thread Heiko Jacobs
Michał Borsuk schrieb: May I ask why bother? OSM is not a historic map, am I right?. What use do I have of the information that once here there was a railway when there are no traces, nothing to be found, nothing to be feared? There are a lot of things inside OSM that for my opinion are

Re: [Talk-transit] totally abandoned rails

2010-07-31 Thread Cartinus
On Saturday 31 July 2010 20:58:59 Heiko Jacobs wrote: Heiko Jacobs schrieb:   ...   Sometimes the traces of a railway are very virtual:   ...   Sometimes no trace exist anymore   ... For this I'm searching a word ... If you don't map it, then you don't need the word - that is why you

Re: [Talk-hr] Plan Grada Sinja

2010-07-31 Thread Habijan Joža
On 29.07.2010 09:00, Valent Turkovic wrote: On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:43:28 +, Valent Turkovic wrote: Ljudi s OSM liste pitaju gdje je OSM atttibucija? Što da im odgovorim? Samo nađi nekoga s laserskim printerom, otprintajte na naljepnicu OSM atribuciju, izrežeš i naljepiš. Gotovo za 10

Re: [OSM-talk-be] WikiProject Belgium

2010-07-31 Thread Ivo De Broeck
1. The help newbie is a link to the (translated) Beginners guide. 2. I have put the potential sources on a separate page. 3. A lot of municipals have a broke link, what do i do with that? Op 30-jul-2010, om 17:49 heeft Ben Laenen het volgende geschreven: Ivo De Broeck wrote: Hi, I am a

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Andrew Errington
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:27:43 John F. Eldredge wrote: I have to admit that I am bad about not bothering to enter a comment, particularly if all I have been doing is fixing the alignment of streets to better conform to the Yahoo aerial view. snip Don't forget, the Yahoo! aerials might not be

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Ed Avis
James Livingston lists at sunsetutopia.com writes: For casual editing, I'm not sure what I could put in that would be useful. Often I start off adding some street numbers I've collected, and then trace those houses from nearmap, and then start tracing a creek, and then start doing something when

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread Kevin Peat
Both the police and ambulance service spend a lot of their time on non-emergency items as do hospitals, doctors, etc. If you want to write an app that lists the police under an emergencies menu/button then go ahead but you don't need to change the OSM data to do it. Kevin On 30 July 2010

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 30.07.2010 13:18, schrieb Frederik Ramm: To them, I say: Yes, you're right, it can be a pain sometimes, but if you practice it for a while, it will be an easy routine. I'm doing this day by day while doing software development - but there it has a much higher value: Very often you can't

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Saturday, July 31, 2010 12:55:28 pm Ed Avis wrote: For casual editing, I'm not sure what I could put in that would be useful. Often I start off adding some street numbers I've collected, and then trace those houses from nearmap, and then start tracing a creek, and then start doing something

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Liz
On Sat, 31 Jul 2010, Liz wrote: On Fri, 30 Jul 2010, Frederik Ramm wrote: Dear all, we've had the changeset feature for quite a while now and I believe it is very helpful in a number of ways. I thought I'd have a look at the documentation provided for the documentation called

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2010/7/31 Kevin Peat ke...@kevinpeat.com: Both the police and ambulance service spend a lot of their time on non-emergency items as do hospitals, doctors, etc.  If you want to write an app that lists the police under an emergencies menu/button then go ahead but you don't need to change the OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread David Earl
On 31/07/2010 10:05, Ulf Lamping wrote: There are people who actively watch out their area what changes there. That's fine and valueable. But IMHO it's *their job* to make sense of the changes, not the mappers job. What a selfish attitude for a supposedly co-operative project. It may be

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 31.07.2010 11:19, schrieb Peteris Krisjanis: If that can be solved introducing meaningful new name spaces like emergency, which could give easy way to filter emergency items, why not? What is cost of this? 1) Changing it in wiki - one day tops 2) Changing it in db - mass convertation, doable

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 July 2010 19:24, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: I don't understand your attitude at all: it hardly takes a moment to add a helpful comment, but many minutes or hours to make the change itself. It is hardly a burden. You gave a very simplistic comment example, how about

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 31.07.2010 11:24, schrieb David Earl: On 31/07/2010 10:05, Ulf Lamping wrote: There are people who actively watch out their area what changes there. That's fine and valueable. But IMHO it's *their job* to make sense of the changes, not the mappers job. What a selfish attitude for a

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Pieren
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 11:24 AM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.comwrote: I'm in the group who think that changeset comments are waste of time because: - you may have vandalism with nice comments (and good edits with crappy comments) - this is an habit comming from software development and

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread David Earl
On 31/07/2010 10:50, John Smith wrote: On 31 July 2010 19:24, David Earlda...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: I don't understand your attitude at all: it hardly takes a moment to add a helpful comment, but many minutes or hours to make the change itself. It is hardly a burden. You gave a very

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 July 2010 20:17, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: sad, sad, sad to be so selfish towards your colleagues. And you are selfish to be making demands that some deem unreasonable... see I can twist logic just as much as you can... ___

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 July 2010 20:17, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: sad, sad, sad to be so selfish towards your colleagues. Oh and I'm still waiting for the comment example based on people that make a lot more edits than a simply changing the direction a one way street runs...

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Saturday, July 31, 2010 03:53:19 pm John Smith wrote: On 31 July 2010 20:17, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: sad, sad, sad to be so selfish towards your colleagues. Oh and I'm still waiting for the comment example based on people that make a lot more edits than a simply

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 31.07.2010 12:17, schrieb David Earl: On 31/07/2010 10:50, John Smith wrote: Frankly I'd rather spend my time mapping than telling everyone to the nth degree what my life story about why I made a change. sad, sad, sad to be so selfish towards your colleagues. Calling someone selfish when

Re: [OSM-talk] Timeout uploading GPX traces

2010-07-31 Thread Dave F.
On 30/07/2010 09:40, Ed Avis wrote: problem with 100Kb then I'd be inclined to blame your browser. Which browser do you use? (I use Firefox 3.7 on Windows, with no http proxy server configured.) Are you sure? I didn't think it had been released yet. 3.6.8 for me (There's a Beta v4

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Pieren
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: We have regularly professionals coming and asking to this community to work like professionals with good comments and sourcing. Sourcing might be the only meaningfull comment I could see. This is the only important information

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread David Earl
On 31/07/2010 11:52, Pieren wrote: Sourcing might be the only meaningfull comment I could see. This is the only important information that cannot be retrieved by software and is required to justify some actions e.g. features displacements. We should better replace 'comment' by 'source' in the

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread Brian Quinion
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Total time 6 minutes Hundreds of hours, yeah right. What you have given is an absolute minimum time for someone who already understands to actually edit the files. You've skipped research, testing and deployment. The

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Werner Hoch
Hi John, On Samstag, 31. Juli 2010, John Smith wrote: On 31 July 2010 20:17, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: sad, sad, sad to be so selfish towards your colleagues. Oh and I'm still waiting for the comment example based on people that make a lot more edits than a simply

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2010/7/31 Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com: Am 31.07.2010 11:19, schrieb Peteris Krisjanis: If that can be solved introducing meaningful new name spaces like emergency, which could give easy way to filter emergency items, why not? What is cost of this? 1) Changing it in wiki - one day

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi Ulf, Ulf Lamping wrote: Calling someone selfish when he spends his spare time mapping stuff and adds that to OSM is simply bullshit. I, too, find your attitude funny. You spend an hour doing edits, then cannot be bothered to spend a minute to think of a good changeset comment. Instead,

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 July 2010 22:05, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: That is indeed selfish, because you're saying that your time is more valuable than theirs. And you are saying their time is more valuable than the person contributing the data, this is going no where fast, people have their

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 7:09 PM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.comwrote: On 31/07/2010 11:52, Pieren wrote: Sourcing might be the only meaningfull comment I could see. This is the only important information that cannot be retrieved by software and is required to justify some actions e.g.

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Cartinus
On Saturday 31 July 2010 11:17:16 Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: josm will not upload a changeset if the comments field is blank - but it prefills the comment field with the last comment, which is worse than blank. At the same time mercurial and subversion from the command line will not permit a

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Liz
On Sat, 31 Jul 2010, Frederik Ramm wrote: You spend an hour doing edits, then cannot be bothered to spend a minute to think of a good changeset comment. so how do *you* summarise adding POIs and side streets and putting in maxspeed along a hundred km of highway? because i just put in the

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Sat, 31 Jul 2010, Frederik Ramm wrote: You spend an hour doing edits, then cannot be bothered to spend a minute to think of a good changeset comment. so how do *you* summarise adding POIs and side streets and putting in

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread Cartinus
On Saturday 31 July 2010 14:00:40 Peteris Krisjanis wrote: Teaching each and every mapper out there that the tag has changed and they should no longer use the old one (not every mapper uses presets). And they never never never read wiki, or follow OSM news? Actually if this thread was not

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread Ross Scanlon
Work out why it doesn't appear (5 min - your patch is actually very slightly wrong btw, can you spot your mistake?) Spotted my friday afternoon coding did you. Glad to see someones on the ball!! However the above is just for fun - lets replace my original statement with 'a lot of time' and

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Frederik Ramm
Liz, Liz wrote: so how do *you* summarise adding POIs and side streets and putting in maxspeed along a hundred km of highway? because i just put in the name of where i have been, that's all. and that is glaringly obvious from the bounding box I believe that the changeset comment should be

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 July 2010 22:47, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Sounds sensible to me, I'm busy tracing new nearmap imagery. With extremely useful changeset comments? :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 July 2010 22:53, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: pick from anywhere between nobody's gonna read this anyway to if you want That's sad because, as I pointed out, if you get into the habit of writing good changeset comments then the additional work this causes is going to be

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 July 2010 23:25, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: No. Equally valuable. But they are more. Only one person makes the edits, but more than one person look at the edits. Sure, if on average more than one person views the changeset information, is this really happening though? All

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread John F. Eldredge
Well, in my area at least (Nashville, TN, USA), the aerial images seem pretty well aligned with the actual street locations. The corrections I am speaking of tend to be needed only here and there, not overall. Much of the street location info on the OSM map in my area originated in the TIGER

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 July 2010 21:09, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: You can see the what but never the why. Most changesets seem to summerise what they did not why they did it, the only why that you could get from a changeset is from any source tags as someone else pointed out, however there

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
One thing I found unfortunate is that when we switched to API 0.6 to support changeset comments we also limited the length of values to 255 characters. So because of that you end up with really long run-on sentences like that to describe large changes making it hard to write them and to

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: John, John Smith wrote: On 31 July 2010 22:05, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: That is indeed selfish, because you're saying that your time is more valuable than theirs. And you are saying their time is

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: Can the maintainers of JOSM please get rid of the silly feature that makes changeset comments manditory? It results in a lot of garbage like the ..., some mapping, fixed stuff, or none of your business examples which Frederik cited. It's a two-sided thing.

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Tobias Knerr
Ulf Lamping wrote: There are people who actively watch out their area what changes there. That's fine and valueable. But IMHO it's *their job* to make sense of the changes, not the mappers job. [...] Don't be fooled; the small changeset comment that you enter when uploading stuff *will* be

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread john whelan
Currently I'm cleaning up in Ottawa, I have over 8,000 errors to clean up left and recently I've probably cleaned at least a couple of thousand errors so far. Things like incorrect street names, where I have a CANVEC source that helps enormously, connecting streets up so you can run routing

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 August 2010 02:18, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I could imagine dropping the mandatory changeset comment, but when left empty, display a pop-up that explains why changeset comments are important and ask the user to reconsider. (Indeed that dialog could be shown whenever the

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Tobias Knerr
john whelan wrote: Currently I'm cleaning up in Ottawa, I have over 8,000 errors to clean up left and recently I've probably cleaned at least a couple of thousand errors so far. Things like incorrect street names, where I have a CANVEC source that helps enormously, connecting streets up so

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Toby Murray
As pointed out, you only have 255 characters. No one is suggesting a book needs to be written. There is a difference between useful and exhaustive. All we are asking for is useful comments. Cleaning up validator problems in Ottowa using a CANVEC source or pull the reference to CANVEC out into a

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Tobias Knerr
Frederik Ramm wrote: I could imagine dropping the mandatory changeset comment, but when left empty, display a pop-up that explains why changeset comments are important and ask the user to reconsider. (Indeed that dialog could be shown whenever the changeset comment is less than 15 characters

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Tobias Knerr wrote: I believe that people will only provide truly useful changeset comments if they do so voluntarily. But at least one person in this thread has said something along the lines oh I didn't know these were so important actually. *That* is surely something that could have

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Lennard
On 31-7-2010 18:49, Toby Murray wrote: If you are in an area with more than a few active mappers I can *guarantee* you that at least one other person is looking at your changeset comments. I live in the middle of nowhere Kansas and I know at least one other person is watching the area. Even

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Ed Avis
John Smith deltafoxtrot256 at gmail.com writes: Frankly I'd rather spend my time mapping than telling everyone to the nth degree what my life story about why I made a change. Steady on. Nobody says you should repeat in the comment what is already clear from the changes made. That would be

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Ed Avis
Another way to look at it is that it's your own time you are saving. If another mapper has a question about your changes and they have to contact you and you need to reply, that uses a lot more time than a quick explanation attached to the change when it was uploaded. Certainly doing so takes a

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Ed Avis
Liz edodd at billiau.net writes: so how do *you* summarise adding POIs and side streets and putting in maxspeed along a hundred km of highway? because i just put in the name of where i have been, that's all. I'd also mention how I found the data - spotted from the car window as I drove past,

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Ed Avis
john whelan jwhelan0112 at gmail.com writes: Currently I'm cleaning up in Ottawa, I have over 8,000 errors to clean up left and recently I've probably cleaned at least a couple of thousand errors so far. Things like incorrect street names, where I have a CANVEC source that helps enormously,

Re: [OSM-talk] Timeout uploading GPX traces

2010-07-31 Thread Ed Avis
Dave F. davefox at madasafish.com writes: I use Firefox 3.7 on Windows, Are you sure? You're right - it's 3.6.3. I have seen the same problem with other Firefox versions and with Google Chrome, however. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Lennard
On 31-7-2010 19:54, Ed Avis wrote: I do something similar cleaning the data using the http://keepright.ipax.at/ data checker, primarily fixing junctions so the map is routable. Ordinarily I'll just write 'fixed junctions' as the comment. Only if I think there is some potential doubt or

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Pieren
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Only the 'why' not the 'what' needs to be stated. That normally shouldn't be more than one sentence. You are two, with David Earl saying that. But that's a big difference with what Frederik and others are saying. They want

[OSM-talk] My Vote for most point dense part of OSM

2010-07-31 Thread John Harvey
Total trivia. Ever wonder where the most dense mapping in the OSM is? There are a few candidates: Paris is impressive: http://osm.org/go/0BOd2jSc But if you look at how it's built, a lot of points are shared in relations (as it should be, but not winning the most dense award) In Germany

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 August 2010 03:43, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Another way to look at it is that it's your own time you are saving. If another mapper has a question about your changes and they have to contact you and you need to reply, that uses a lot more time than a quick explanation attached to

Re: [OSM-talk] My Vote for most point dense part of OSM

2010-07-31 Thread Toby Murray
Wow that is impressive. Although they could have saved themselves a little time by using highway=turning_circle for all those cul-de-sacs and not having to render a perfect circle by hand :) On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 1:11 PM, John Harvey j...@johnharveyphoto.com wrote: Total trivia.  Ever wonder

Re: [OSM-talk] My Vote for most point dense part of OSM

2010-07-31 Thread Esther Loeliger
Hi, The area in Berlin you're referring to is 'The Memorial to the Murdered Jews of Europe [...] the central place for remembrance and a place of warning.' http://www.visitberlin.de/english/sightseeing/e_si_sehenswuerdigkeiten-details.php?code=16440 There are quite a few photos on the site

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Ed Avis
John Smith deltafoxtrot256 at gmail.com writes: If another mapper has a question about your changes and they have to contact you and you need to reply, that uses a lot more time than a quick explanation attached to the change when it was uploaded. I can count using my fingers and toes the

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Ed Avis
Pieren pieren3 at gmail.com writes: About the 'why', I can already tell you :- if someone displaces 20 nodes, the 'why' is because this person things that his source is more accurate than the previous contribution. The 'why' is a more accurate source. Indeed - and all that's needed is to mention

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 August 2010 04:39, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Agreed. I think the comment should say 'why' not 'what', and if the change is derived from something other than ground survey, cite the source used. It shouldn't take more than a few seconds. I generally always use source=* (and

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Ed Avis
Lennard ldp at xs4all.nl writes: I do something similar cleaning the data using the http://keepright.ipax.at/ data checker, primarily fixing junctions so the map is routable. Ordinarily I'll just write 'fixed junctions' as the comment. 'fixed junctions based on keepright reports' I would put

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread john whelan
Many are very simple, St instead of Street, doesn't sound much but it stops some search and other tools. Multiple imports each with different defaults, some forgot the street name, many didn't import where an existing street was, OK but combine that with up to 200 meters out probably drawn in

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Frederik Ramm
Ed, I hear your point about commenting on the why not the what. I agree that the why is important. But personally I try to add the what and the where as well: 'Adjusted road positions based on GPS traces' There's your why and what already; I'd probably say adjusted road positions in

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread john whelan
My favourite of the day Fair Oaks Crescent / Beechcliffe Street for a street name, its actually two streets that have been linked together, so break them apart and name them correctly. Cheerio John On 31 July 2010 12:46, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: john whelan wrote: Currently

Re: [OSM-talk] My Vote for most point dense part of OSM

2010-07-31 Thread Frederik Ramm
John, impressive looking maps indeed... but: My vote for most point dense is part of Bakersfield, California: If you look at the duplicate node map then it's no surprise they are point dense - if you have two copies of each that's not hard:

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Agreed.  I think the comment should say 'why' not 'what' What does that mean? What: made a road into a dual carriageway Why: ??? I assume you don't want an explanation of my vision of my role in the universe.

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread Liz
On Sat, 31 Jul 2010, Cartinus wrote: And nobody puts all Key: and Tag: pages in his wiki watchlist. Use one of the feeds (eg RSS) and it is easy. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Liz
On Sun, 1 Aug 2010, Ed Avis wrote: Another way to look at it is that it's your own time you are saving. If another mapper has a question about your changes and they have to contact you and you need to reply, that uses a lot more time than a quick explanation attached to the change when it was

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Liz
On Sun, 1 Aug 2010, Ed Avis wrote: Liz edodd at billiau.net writes: so how do *you* summarise adding POIs and side streets and putting in maxspeed along a hundred km of highway? because i just put in the name of where i have been, that's all. I'd also mention how I found the data -

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Jamie Smith
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Agreed. I think the comment should say 'why' not 'what' What does that mean? What: made a road into a dual carriageway Why: ??? I assume you don't want an

Re: [OSM-talk] My Vote for most point dense part of OSM

2010-07-31 Thread Dave F.
On 31/07/2010 20:43, Frederik Ramm wrote: If you look at the duplicate node map then it's no surprise they are point dense - if you have two copies of each that's not hard: My Lord, take a look at France. Any idea what happened there? Cheers Dave F.

Re: [talk-au] ODBL yet again, but from a pragmatic approach...

2010-07-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 July 2010 10:36, James Livingston li...@sunsetutopia.com wrote: Then it doesn't help at all - what if ODbL 1.1 says that you can freely relicense to CC-Zero? And if you think that can't happen, go look at the GNU Free Documentation Licence 1.3 and Wikipedia. That kind of legal hijinks

Re: [talk-au] Showgrounds

2010-07-31 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
This is exactly my point and gets back to another thread from a few weeks back regarding tagging schools and the sometimes multiple uses that each building can have (ie after hours classes, church groups on a weekend etc etc). From memory I believe that discussion was resolved by tagging start/end

Re: [Talk-br] Formatação de ruas de mão inglesa

2010-07-31 Thread Arlindo Pereira
Acredito que não haja uma tag específica, uma vez que o projeto nasceu na Inglaterra e lá todas as ruas são mão inglesa :) Se quiser ser específico, creio que você possa usar a tag note=mão inglesa. []s Em 31 de julho de 2010 15:05, Rafael Gassner rafael.gass...@gmail.comescreveu: Oi Pessoal,

[Talk-de] place=village area Quelle

2010-07-31 Thread Holger s...@der
Hallo Liste, bin gerade dabei Dörfer zu mappen. Um die Orte auf der Karte besser einzugrenzen, möchte ich ein place=village area zeichnen. Luftbilder geht leider nicht. Yahoo hat eine zu schlechte Auflösung. Gibt es noch andere Quellen? Wurden nicht mal place auf der OSM Karte in größeren

Re: [Talk-de] Konzept für die Gruppierung von ways ( ähnlich Linienbündel; Problem von drehenden ways bei =?iso-8859-1?q?_forward/backward?=)

2010-07-31 Thread steffterra
Am 30.07.2010 um 08:17 schrieb Guenther Meyer: Am Donnerstag 29 Juli 2010, 23:44:33 schrieb steffterra: Nunja. da gehts ja um die aktuell etablierten Autobahnspuren, die bei jeder baulichen Trennung ja auch so gezeichnet werden sollten. Oder habe ich etwas übersehen? inklusive

Re: [Talk-de] Konzept für die Gruppierung von ways ( ähnlich Linienbündel; Problem von drehenden ways bei =?iso-8859-1?q?_forward/backward?=)

2010-07-31 Thread steffterra
Am 30.07.2010 um 08:27 schrieb Guenther Meyer: Für die Umsetzung müssen natürlich alle an einem Strang ziehen. +1 Abwärtskompatibilität bleibt ja dennoch erhalten. lassen wir uns ueberraschen. ich denke das koennte bei deinem Modell interessant werden. Man muesste mal ausprobieren, was

Re: [Talk-de] place=village area Quelle

2010-07-31 Thread fx99
Hierzu ein paar Links: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Gemeindegrenze http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Germany/Grenzen http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Grenze_zeichnen -- View this message in context:

[Talk-de] Wiese gleich / ungleich Weide ??

2010-07-31 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Hi ! in der letzten Zeit habe ich mich ausgiebig mit der Erfassung von Landuse beschäftigt. Dabei ist mir aufgefallen das viele Grünflächen (schreibe bewußt nicht Weide oder Wiese) mit landuse = farmland definiert haben. Wenn ich jetzt im Wiki bei landuse = meadow [1] nachlese dann steht da

Re: [Talk-de] Wiese gleich / ungleich Weide ??

2010-07-31 Thread Jörk
moin, Am 31.07.2010 13:28, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: Ist die Wiese vielleicht nur zur Heugewinnung und es dürfen keine Kühe Co dort laufen oder wie ist das zu verstehen. richtig, eine Wiese wird gemäht (heute wohl mehr zur Silagegewinnung), eine Weide wird vom Vieh beweidet. VG Jörk

Re: [Talk-de] Konzept für die Gruppierung von ways ( ähnlich Linienbündel; Problem von drehenden ways bei =?iso-8859-1?q?_forward/backward?=)

2010-07-31 Thread Guenther Meyer
Am Samstag 31 Juli 2010, 09:25:54 schrieb steffterra: Beim Renderer ist es so: der alte Renderer zeigt nur den datenway, da dieser eine Straßenklassifizierung hat. Die Richtungsways werden gar nicht gerendert, da der highway-tag fehlt. wenn ich dich richtig verstehe, koennen die zusaetzlichen

Re: [Talk-de] Wiese gleich / ungleich Weide ??

2010-07-31 Thread Guenther Meyer
OT: geht's bitte auch ohne HTML? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Konzept für die Gruppierung von ways ( ähnlich Linienbündel; Problem von drehenden ways bei =?iso-8859-1?q?_forward/backward?=)

2010-07-31 Thread Guenther Meyer
Am Samstag 31 Juli 2010, 09:38:45 schrieb steffterra: der Editor kennt die Referenzrichtung des Weges, und kann sein backward Tag danach ausrichten und entsprechend anzeigen. Wie das in der Realitaet aussieht, weiss sowieso nur der User. Die Problem ist doch, dass der user es irgendwo

[Talk-de] Landsat

2010-07-31 Thread Rolf Meyerhof
Hallo, Wo ist die Verbindung von Josm zu Landsat geblieben.?? .mfg Rolf ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Wiese gleich / ungleich Weide ??

2010-07-31 Thread Heiko Jacobs
Jan Tappenbeck schrieb: Wenn ich jetzt im Wiki bei landuse = meadow [1] nachlese dann steht da Wiese ohne Gehölzer ... aber so (Wiese) auch nur in der deutschen Version Wenn ich mir nun aber den Eintrag für landuse = farmland ansehe sind auf den Bild mehrere Gründlandflächen abgebildet und

Re: [Talk-de] PicLayer in Josm - Button Verschieben weg?

2010-07-31 Thread Florian Gross
hike39 glaubte zu wissen: Am 28.07.2010 03:39, schrieb Florian Gross: Johann H. Addicks glaubte zu wissen: Hallo, entsinne mich, dass das Plugin Piclayer früher einmal eine Funktion hatte, um geladene Bilder nicht nur zu zoomen und zu drehen, sondern auch zu verschieben (Icon mit blauen

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