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Eric, Please unpin now I cant "Sad Face" Tony On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 3:37:51 AM UTC+11, Eric Shulman wrote: > > On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 3:46:35 AM UTC-8, TonyM wrote: >> >> Folks >> >> Just to let you all know I will unpin this conversation soon after I >> extract a summary

[tw5] Re: The last word in Saving?

On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 3:46:35 AM UTC-8, TonyM wrote: > > Folks > > Just to let you all know I will unpin this conversation soon after I > extract a summary and start a new thread as it is now awfully long. > Now that Jeremy has changed the moderation settings for the group, can you

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Folks Just to let you all know I will unpin this conversation soon after I extract a summary and start a new thread as it is now awfully long. Thanks so much for all the views and examples. It is amazing what already exists and how as a community we are systematic, creative and committed.

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Mario, I understand your concern but the Question is how do we achieve the same level of functionality safely? Realy Security should not be the "tail that wags the dog", but the method by which we allow "the Dog to wag its tail, safely". Regards Tony On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 11:34:23

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On Sunday, December 1, 2019 at 11:34:23 PM UTC+1, TonyM wrote: ... > *I see some real uses for TWExe especially for me on Windows, and possibly > on a file share LAN drive. Basically to distribute an application to > desktops.* > A self-replicating unsigned untrusted executable on a system is

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TT, The way it can compile a TW into a executable I thought really interesting > for potential Desktop application making. > Perhaps I have found a new approach or emphasis that will help adoption, read on if you are interested. I was looking at this, taking account of marks review and was

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Hi Tony, It will be one zip file that includes all code, just unzip and click on the .exe in windows. The wiki's will be controlled by a sort of hive TWc, every thing should be a tiddler after all. Have a nice day, Okido On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 11:54:19 AM UTC+1, TonyM wrote: > >

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I'm thinking that it's a nice solution if you want to share ONE particular tiddlywiki with someone who is computeristically challenged. But for using lots of TW files, then BobSaver or file-backup might be a better way to go. On Sunday, December 1, 2019 at 8:35:46 AM UTC-8, TiddlyTweeter

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Looking at the git hub repro it's not been maintained at all and the author hasn't been active in these boards either :(. You can tell it's been a while... Tobias Beer comments on tidgraph! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To

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Mark S., I thought your observations useful in their precision upon https://ihm4u.github.io/twexe/. I was amazed TWEXE worked at all--it came out in 2015 & don't think revised since? Yeah its "similar" to other node type "self-contained" systems (BobEXE, TiddlyDesktop). But it is also

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On Sunday, 1 December 2019 03:22:29 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote: > > > Comment 7: I wasn't able to get it to serve up an image file. Possibly a > documentation issue? Does it need to somehow compile the image? Unclear how > to do this. > Comment 8: It writes/unzips stuff deep underneath your user

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Comment 7: I wasn't able to get it to serve up an image file. Possibly a documentation issue? Does it need to somehow compile the image? Unclear how to do this. Comment 8: It writes/unzips stuff deep underneath your user name. This means it's not really as portable as one might like (seems to

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Repeating for mail users who wouldn't see the edits. On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 5:51:53 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote: > > Oh yeah. You can't attach anything executable, even if it's in a zip file. > You can put it on google drive and share it, though. > > Edit1: The twixie takes a *long* time

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Oh yeah. You can't attach anything executable, even if it's in a zip file. You can put it on google drive and share it, though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

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Post script, It should perhaps be rebuilt again with tiddlywiki 5.1.21 rather than 5.9 My attempts to attach an empty.exe tiddlywiki v 5.1.21 for Windows in a zip file, has failed hence the deleted messages in this thread (bug related) note it is now less than 1MB, you will have to make your

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Ste/ Stephan - I have just tested twexe and it works well, using the latest tw 5.1.21 on Windows 10, it opens in my default browser (fireFox) at http://127.0.0.1:8081/ - The fact you can pack any single file based wiki is impressive, and on save it is repackaged into the exe

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On linux mint Sarah: First start was okay. The second produces an error: ____ ___ |_ _\ \ / / \ \/ / | | | \ \ /\ / /| _| \ /| _| | | \ V V / | |___ / \| |___ |_|\_/\_/ |_/_/\_\_| Single File TiddlyWiki executable

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Ste Wilson wrote: > > Speaking of saving i just found this possibly forgotten gem from the > amazing tidgraph person > > https://ihm4u.github.io/twexe/ > An understatement professor. Whoa! Holy-Moly Batman! KAPOW! Most interesting! I'm seeing if it still works. TT -- You received this

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Speaking of saving i just found this possibly forgotten gem from the amazing tidgraph person https://ihm4u.github.io/twexe/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send

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Jed, I did ask "what you think" so thanks for replying, I had no intention of making any work for you. I hoped I was providing you with an observation that this may act as a barrier to providing a simple tiddlywiki adoption path. You are right its beautiful that BobEXE installs with no

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Tony, The purpose of Bob is that you download BobEXE and run it and it works without any configuration. Adding required configuration is not something I am going to do. I am also not going to create multiple versions that behave differently and add that confusion on top of everything else.

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Folks and Jed, I will soon publish a Demo "First Encounter" Wiki and would love your feedback. The details are as follows; - Single File HTML file hosted on a readonly (To visitors) internet facing server. - Browser Local storage activated, - Default save hidden. - A Save

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Mark, At Glich.com https://glitch.com/~tiddlywiki-stuff it reads Go to the .env file if you wanna control who can has read/write access to the TiddlyWiki. Maybe change the SERVEROPTS-line to something along the lines of: SERVEROPTS="readers=(anon) writers=joe username=joe password=bloggs"

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Does it work offline? Is it private? Secure? Thanks! On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 1:51:35 PM UTC-8, Thomas Elmiger wrote: > > Hi all, > > I think there is one solution missing here: *Glitch.* > (I read most of the posts but not all.) > > Personally I went with this solution by Jonas some

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Hi all, I think there is one solution missing here: *Glitch.* (I read most of the posts but not all.) Personally I went with this solution by Jonas some time ago: https://glitch.com/~tiddlywiki-stuff Pros - pure online solution, no local installation at all (use any browser you already

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Mark, I agree for most new users what you say is true, In part this is why I suggested this should move to another thread, however once setup, from memory there is a way to fork an existing Site very easily. Perhaps one day this will be the future? Regards Tony On Tuesday, November 26, 2019

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You have to install a browser. Create a site. Load a tiddlywiki into the site. Then set up the site to synchronize with a given place on your hard drive (assuming you want your data to be backed up). Then repeat for each tiddlywiki you want to access. That doesn't sound beginner friendly. Or

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Original Post updated with Alternative thread Title: *"TiddlyWiki Encounters of the First Kind"* Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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Chuck, Thanks for reiterating the potential value of beaker browser. Such new approaches to interacting on the internet stand to offer great value. Of course my original post on this thread asks *How do we enable saving tiddlywikis for **naive and casual users? *perhaps needing a special

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Ciao Chuck The issue with BB is mostly HOW to get it to publish public IF you need that. Otherwise its excellent if you happy just working in the protocol with others using it. BTW, TW can work in it well. Its "BB-ready". Mr Ruston, originator of TiddlyWiki, did quite a lot of work to ensure

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Ok I'll just throw this out. Beaker Browser is a P2P browser where you can edit your own websites using Markdown. It relies on the DAT protocol, but you also have to have your BB (Beaker Browser) running if you want people to see your HTML pages. https://beakerbrowser.com Pros: 1.

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All, Please See The penultimate words on saving - multi access and multi user for server based solutions. TiddlyWiki Single file solutions using cloud drives etc.. also belong in this thread. Regards Tony On Monday,

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Miha, Thanks for your feedback and reference which I will review in further detail. First however I want to clarify the check in and out facility I propose is effectively a file lock mechanisium to ensure a single editor at a time on a single file wiki. Such a mechanisium can be used on a

Re: [tw5] Re: The last word in Saving?

Hi y'all, Thanks for these really good ideas and insights, here's a wall of text dumping some of my thoughts :) TonyM, I agree that the most important first use case is having a simple one-file one-user one-device way of saving. There are many solutions to this already, though it seems like

[tw5] Re: The last word in Saving?

On Sunday, November 24, 2019 at 12:27:50 AM UTC+1, TonyM wrote: > > And again all thanks for the continuing input, carefully considered > feedback is very valuable and your efforts are recognised. > > It seems to me we are getting close to a first use "ease of use" then > making tiddlywiki your

Re: [tw5] Re: The last word in Saving?

Arlen Thanks for sharing your use of tiddlyserver which I also use a lot. All my tiddlywiki file locations are in my ts index. I have a wiki I open for generating wikis using the the big green button to save into a folder that I then browse with ts. This keeps maintaining an index to wikis

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My setup is basically: 1. TiddlyServer is basically an expansion of the NodeJS TiddlyWiki Server. It's designed like a static file server such as apache, but adds features for TiddlyWiki, such as saving single-files, and loading data folders in place, so you can have multiple data folders running

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Illyak As in my last post I feel we need to approach this a little more gradually. I thing serial editing could help you. In relation to your current problems - I cannot access my wiki on the phone from PC if I am connected to guest wifi This is the design of guest networks. Device isolation.

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Just wanted to say that I agree with Lunar, about the vision. My current setup: 1. Bob based server (I use Caddy in front to provide https) on android phone using termux 2. Script to watch creation of new directories and create new git repository per wiki 3. Script which watches every

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And again all thanks for the continuing input, carefully considered feedback is very valuable and your efforts are recognised. It seems to me we are getting close to a first use "ease of use" then making tiddlywiki your own, basically save back to a tiddlywiki on your own drive. I hope we can

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I'm very impressed by the bobsaver-plugin for single wiki files. It could be really simple for saving with single files. But it needs manual starting of a bobexefile. If this start of the bobserver could be automated as background demon or service at system startup this would be really simple

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Just realized that’s worded badly. You definitely have your bases covered. On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 16:28 Arlen Beiler wrote: > I have not followed your work, unfortunately, but it sounds like you and I > are on the same page then. I was only referring to a way I thought of > yesterday to make

Re: [tw5] Re: The last word in Saving?

I have not followed your work, unfortunately, but it sounds like you and I are on the same page then. I was only referring to a way I thought of yesterday to make it pretty much bulletproof using a browser plugin, but it sounds like I would have done it exactly as you did for a TiddlyWiki plug-in

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Arlen, Please do not spread misinformation about the security of what I make. The saver server part of Bob does not listen on the local network, it only accepts requests from localhost. At least that minimum security is a requirement for everything I make, that is why I put so many warnings in

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Ciao Arlen I think part of the issue is not the tools you and Jed developed. It may be the "wrapper", the "marketing" as well? So much here we are concerned with fundamentals. But the GG group goes nowhere other than the readers. I think that "promotion" for TW matters & is seriously

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Hi there! I've only skimmed previous posts so forgive me if this came up already, but I wanted to throw in my 2c. Most of this is from the context of accessing TW from more than one device. Before I can talk about why having TW support PWA features would be a good idea, I want to give some

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I think the bob saver can be expanded to use a browser plugin. This can address some of the security concerns with having a freely available saver listening on the network. And it’s also simply installable as you say. I must have heard enough complaints about corporate networks that I thought

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Ciao Stefan *Great post. To the point.* Fully agree that the POINT in all this should be to enable users to do TW with the same level of simplicity they have for other apps. Basically, nowadays standard, it comes down to one approach for mobiles and one approach for desktops. IMO we have,

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Hi, # The Goal and big question: * a simple way for naive and casual users to save their tiddlywiki (again and again)* I read this thread with much interest. In my opinium there is still one big aspect, which should be mainly considered. As a casual and non-technical user of tiddlywiki and

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Tony, A very large part of my confusion about what you are saying here is that local storage and localStorage can be very different things. I can not tell when you mean saving to the local file system vs saving using localStorage in the browser cache. Another part is that the PWA standards

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All, An example of a new User Tiddlywiki adoption work flow is raised by me here https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/yebQtlKZMWg/t9QfADgCBwAJ This example would make use of either Bob.exe and BobSaver Plugin or Timimi. Regards Tony -- You received this message because you are

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Jed, Thanks for clarifying this for all. My Suggestion on a PWA is only because my own reading and someone else's post have talked about getting *reliable local storage* (if not still within the browser) for PWA's. The need for this continues to be something a lot of designers and

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These keeps coming up so I am going to say this again. A progressive web app can't save to the locally in the sense used in this thread. it saves to the browser cache, it has no more access to the local file system than we already have. if it did then we would use that mechanism to save and

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Jed I think that is a good idea. Perhaps we can find an existing one that available. I am keen to see if we can identify a simple work flow from in browser discovery to making it your own and being able to save and reopen in a trusted location. I love the multiple wiki bob, TD and TS but there

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Creating and maintaining a set of browser plugins is far more complex than required considering all the browsers that need to be supported. Adding the BobSaver to the core and using either Bob or something else that can use the same saver. It doesn't have to be Bob, or even written in node,

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On Thursday, November 21, 2019 at 2:23:27 AM UTC+1, TonyM wrote: The key value of the use of a .tw file is simply to differentiate it from > other html files, which will only ever open in the default browser unless > you use open with which is a clumsy requirements. Tiddlywiki could open in >

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Arlen On mobile at least you can pin it for yourself, see top right in thread. an admin needs to do it for all. Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

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Funding, Arlen, Jed in the past and others raise the thorny issue of funding. I will too. I would be dropping money on Arlen and Jed , bimlas and others if I were not (mostly) unemployed. I too have a number of ideas and changes, I think most people would like be compensated where possible, I

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Can we somehow pin this? On Wed, Nov 20, 2019, 20:26 TonyM wrote: > The *First Save* idea > > I am wondering if installing the local storage and rather than provide a > download you tiddlywiki we just provide a save your changes button, a > backup of changes only that can be restored if the

[tw5] Re: The last word in Saving?

The *First Save* idea I am wondering if installing the local storage and rather than provide a download you tiddlywiki we just provide a save your changes button, a backup of changes only that can be restored if the browser looses this storage. I imaging this could smooth the simple drive by

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Thanks all for your continued feedback, If I may make a few comments in regards to some replies specifically. It is not that I proclaim to be an expert of the person that decides which idea is a good one, it is just an attempt to try and coral your wonderful feedback towards the objective of

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Actually, I just looked it up, and you're right, it is quite similar. The difference in my scenario is it installs the plug-in in the browser instead of the wiki. I will definitely look into this more. On Wed, Nov 20, 2019, 20:13 Arlen Beiler wrote: > There are different scenarios being

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There are different scenarios being considered here. TiddlyServer already does what you mentioned, however there are some more advanced options we could implement. What I'm referring to is that file:// urls can be saved back to the filesystem via TiddlyFox calling Extension calling a Save Handler

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Your description of the node executable listening on a port is exactly what the BobSaver does. So that part already exists. At the moment the security is that it just accepts connections on localhost, I don't think that saving files locally makes sense for a remote connection. -- You received

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Researched a bit, and we're not the only ones that want to edit desktop files. Web apps are becoming more common and Chrome and Firefox are working on a solution to this problem. So the solution for desktop single-file wikis should be somewhat simpler a year or two from now. *There is one

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I am a bit curious what configuration Bob requires that prevents it from being useful here? If you use BobEXE than you just download it and open it. There are undoubtedly bugs in the saver because so far I am the only one who has used it, but once Bob is running and the saver plugin is

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I understood the question to be, not "What is a good saving mechanism for TW?" but "What's the best solution for the non-technical person?". TiddlyServer might be the best over-all solution (hypothetically), but it's not simple. You have to install and configure node. You have to download a

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Hi, Tiddlywiki is an .html file and I don't see a reason to change the extension. This will only cause problems in the future. html is html is html. -mario -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and

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Further to Timimi use In FireFox I can browse to a folder location such as file:///C:/Data/TW5/Development and see the files there, such that clicking on empty5.1.19.tw would open that file in the browser and Timimi is engaged and works. This means both explorer (other platforms equivalent)

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All, This is proving to be a great repository of ideas, savings mechanisms and exploring the possibilities. One method I have being wondering about is how TiddlyServer handles single file wikis. Clearly it makes use of node for the folder based wikis and the wikis appear at

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Mark, I am however keen to see if there is an easier way. Timimi is easy to install and currently works on FireFox and the following oS - Debian based systems - Debian, Ubuntu, Elementary, Mint etc - Arch based systems - Arch Linux, Antergos, Manjaro etc - Windows 7 and later. If we

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I think it's also as minimalist as it's going to get for users. Most users can install software. Most users know how to use a browser and install extensions. There is no save mechanism with TW. That's the simple fact. Any attempt to work around that fact will add complexity one way or the

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David, Your suggested approach looks similar to other installs and uses a path many will be familiar with so it has merit. Now lets think what saver we include. By the way I would like to see the zip contain the online wiki with content including user changes and the saver so they continue

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Mark Thanks for finding another method, this is out of the box as they say. I wonder if the setup can be automated. I am sure you can see this is minimalist as far as its changes to the users computer but not minimalist as far as the complexity to a new user. Great response though Tony --

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Ok. This seems to be working. Knock on silicon. It's about as easy as it's going to get. 1. Install firefox (ignore what I said about browser-agnostic) 2. Create a profile for TW files and boot with it the following steps 3. In the settings, set your download dir to the the root of your system

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Hi Tony Could there be a second version of tiddlywiki.com/empty.html that when you click the download button, you download a zip file with the saver file included, and a popup in empty.html with brief instructions? That way there could be a dead simple download with a saver, and a lighter

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Where is BOB is this discussion? Just wondering. It seems very pertinent. Node based, or node wrapped in EXE, with CLOUD possibilities. Best wishes TT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

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Thanks Okido. This points it one direction I have being thinking about. A simplified node install perhaps. Do you control which wiki is hosted with scripts? can you see a version of your solution being easy to setup for new users? Thanks for your perspective. Tony -- You received this

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Hi Tony, Let me share my experience as a long time TW user. I started with TWclassic on a usb stick and Firefox portable. This gave me a lot of freedom, it was easy to move the files around between Linux and Windows systems without needing admin rights. Read, write actions to the file

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Ciao TonyM Couple of footnotes to this ... TonyM wrote: > > One avenue I have toyed with is saving tiddlywiki files with the .tw > extension and installing a local binary, that on open it loads it into a > "TiddlyDesktop like app" with no additional chrome or wiki selection, just > that

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Ciao Bimlas Though I understand where you are coming from on this ... bimlas wrote... > > TiddlyWiki is not for those who want to create a point-and-click notebook, > but for those who want to manage, search, and reuse their notes, knowledge, > and data at a higher level. > I don't think

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Thanks all for your continued feedback A point I would like to reinforce here, can be a response to Bimlas I don't really know if it would be useful to make TiddlyWiki as easy as > possible. If it would be so easy to handle that a five year old would > understand, I'm afraid this community

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On Monday, November 18, 2019 at 1:19:54 PM UTC-8, bimlas wrote: > > Mark S, > > None of these solutions will copy from one place on your hard drive to >> another place on the same hard drive. >> >> That's why we made Polly -- which automatically copies files saved in the >> download folder

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Mark S, None of these solutions will copy from one place on your hard drive to > another place on the same hard drive. > > That's why we made Polly -- which automatically copies files saved in the > download folder back to their original home. > But as I know the problem is, saving to the file

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None of these solutions will copy from one place on your hard drive to another place on the same hard drive. That's why we made Polly -- which automatically copies files saved in the download folder back to their original home. It's possible that there are other automatic file

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I have another idea: we may not be able to find a solution that works on all platforms, but since the only goal is to save the file, there may already be a workaround that others have already done and we just need to use. I am thinking of Google Drive, Dropbox, Syncthing (which is

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Another similar option: A mobile, desktop and website App with the same code Article: https://medium.com/@benoitvallon/a-mobile-desktop-and-website-app-with-the-same-code-dc84ef7677ee Code: https://github.com/benoitvallon/react-native-nw-react-calculator -- You received this message because

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> I don't know if it has file system access, but if so, we could merge > TiddlyDesktop and Tiddloid / Quinoid applications. > ... it has: https://flutter.dev/docs/cookbook/persistence/reading-writing-files -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

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TiddlyDesktop is OOD because everything else progressed around it already. Give me a release of TWD with relative pathing to Wiki and within a recent version of TW TT Mark S. wrote: > > Edit: I didn't realize how out of date TiddlyDesktop was. I guess it's > back to the default download

[tw5] Re: The last word in Saving?

I don't know yet if it's really usable, but maybe something similar could be done to make the same system a saver on all platforms: https://flutter.dev/ "Flutter is Google’s UI toolkit for building beautiful, natively compiled applications *for mobile, web, and desktop from a single

[tw5] Re: The last word in Saving?

We could look at how the big players, like Evernote, solve this problem. They solve it with lots and lots of money! They create solutions for the cloud and for each and every platform. We could do something similar, specify the best solutions for every Platform/method choice. It seems that it

Re: [tw5] Re: The last word in Saving?

Oh yes -- I got it backwards. I guess then perhaps it could be the single-file, desktop solution. Though you still have to go into the process manager and kill off several nw.exe processes. I don't mind too much, but I think it would be too confusing for people who only use computers minimally.

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Hi Mark > Even on the desktop, TiddlyDesktop has complications that most every-day > users would find unacceptable. > If you close out a single-file window, the only way to get it back is to > close out ALL your windows, and the > instance (which may need to be killed with the process

[tw5] Re: The last word in Saving?

Even on the desktop, TiddlyDesktop has complications that most every-day users would find unacceptable. If you close out a single-file window, the only way to get it back is to close out ALL your windows, and the instance (which may need to be killed with the process manager), and then

[tw5] Re: The last word in Saving?

Ciao TonyM IF that could be installed seamlessly so the user would not need to have ever deal with what a "port" is ... ??? Do you think that is possible? How would you install it? Setup setup (sic.) executables for all platforms ??? My query: isn't this already heavily OS implementation

[tw5] Re: The last word in Saving?

A minimal cross platform file server that can be installed with single exec on a known port that tiddlywiki can detect and save to load from. E.g. on node. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

[tw5] Re: The last word in Saving?

TT Full agreement. A little speculation For mobile if tiddloid could be installed from the wiki or play store and passed the url to the published wiki It would be localised and savable. Desktop a downloadable installer for all OS or local storage save and restore to file (If nessasary)

[tw5] Re: The last word in Saving?

Ciao TonyM Got it. *I think you will hit an impasse on that thought between Desktop and Mobile that can't be bridged?* You might solve it by dividing the issue into DT & Mobile solutions? It might also be interesting to work back from a mobile solution to the DT to see IF there is a trick in

[tw5] Re: The last word in Saving?

TT I agree with what you say in general such that cloud is likely to be a common delivery. However, I am still looking to simplify the ability for a user to make a wiki there own, a single file that they save and can edit. I believe we are yet to uncover a hack or trick or minimal viable

[tw5] Re: The last word in Saving?

Ciao Bimlas The main problem is that there are different operating systems and > browsers, so you can't create a "generic" saver plugin: each system will > need different code to automatically save the wiki, and not all of them can > be implemented (because of restrictions to access the

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