Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Project Name

I love the meaning implied by Kaleido: bits of material are reflected in an endless variety of patterns On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 11:25:18 AM UTC+8 Sapphireslinger wrote: > Bitmanteau > > Tiddlywiki nicer though. > > The only hassle I remember is trying to explain to my mom that a tiddler

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Bitmanteau Tiddlywiki nicer though. The only hassle I remember is trying to explain to my mom that a tiddler was just another name for an entry. On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 11:11:32 AM UTC+8 Corey S wrote: > I haven't read everything yet, but to a possible name change, I was > thinking

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I haven't read everything yet, but to a possible name change, I was thinking of a name like BitWiki or something, if it hasn't been taken already. A Bit = Tiddly On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 2:23:45 PM UTC-7 Ed Heil wrote: > Hi Jeremy, > > Re-reading this message (and studiously avoiding

Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Project Name

Hi Jeremy, Re-reading this message (and studiously avoiding making any suggestions for new names) the idea of "targeting more modern JavaScript engines" makes me wonder about the question of "how modern a browser do you need to have to have a working Tiddlywiki?" With regards to minimum

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Hmm, so the physics theme has taken off? :) I'm not complete enamored with it though, despite my preference to view "the field" as the fundamental. (Even that's a play, in case it got past you). Aside: *Penrose*, I do like. He lives, I believe, not too far from Rushton Towers. And he was

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Don't forget Quarks. Of course, "QuarkXpress" is already taken. On Saturday, January 2, 2021 at 11:44:57 AM UTC-8 hww...@gmail.com wrote: > Hi Mohammad! > > Sorry, but in my "quantum state" I had overlooked electron. :-). ( Thanks > for the link. ) > > Personally, I am quite happy with

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Hi TiddlyTweeter > Just FYI, I tried many times on Twitter to get some interest in the fact our toot is a *rare example of a practical, working QUINE.* This doesnt matter fmpov. Why? Because the name itself (Quinely/Quinly/tiddler: Quines) is "cool". If they later find out what a quine is,

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Hi Mohammad! Sorry, but in my "quantum state" I had overlooked electron. :-). ( Thanks for the link. ) Personally, I am quite happy with "TiddlyWiki", if only because ( like Charlie ) I prefer to not change Jargon. If Size is a prime consideration, however, then I would enjoy Boson (

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Hi Hans! But seriously we have such a name. 1. Electron a famous framework lets create desktop apps using web technology https://www.electronjs.org/ 2. Atom is great text editor https://www.electronjs.org/apps/atom 3. Graviton a minimalistic code editor

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If you don't mind, I'd like to ditto that and adorn with a "why I ditto(?)" To me, the words "card" and "record" have semantic meanings to me that don't quite fit the semantic meaning of "tiddler". Well, the semantic meaning I've attached to "tiddler" is, to me, much broader/flexible than

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I'm probably spending too much time trying to understand Quantum computing, so AtomicCards suggests (to me) a possible wish to go a bit deeper and at least use subAtomic element names. Quark? Maybe even Boson or Fermion? Happy New Year! Hans On Saturday, January 2, 2021 at 9:14:09 AM UTC-5

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AtomicCards™ On Sat, Jan 2, 2021, at 2:14 AM, BurningTreeC wrote: > I like the name "AtomCards" > > to add my two cents to the discussion :D > > positiv...@gmail.com schrieb am Montag, 28. Dezember 2020 um 07:14:43 UTC+1: >> I couldn't find if this topic has already been re-hashed this decade.

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Hi community! Happy new year! I think that we are all clear that TW has a basic unit, the tiddler. We can build our TW with them. We can rename them as *card *, *record*, ..., and then we can rename the project. For example, with tiddler rename as *tile* we can rename TW as *kaleido* or

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Regarding ideas of CARD or RECORD or variants thereof like "AtomCards" (i.e. that emphasise the atomistic nature of the "unit"). Well. Not sure. I still prefer Tiddler as FRAGMENT. A bit more. Why? The problem with "Record" and "Card" is both imply self-contained-wholeness. Basically echoing

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Mohammad wrote: > Tiddlywiki, is a *development studio* which has a high level > scripting language with many components (official /third party) to build > different apps/tools based > on the web technology (HTML5+JS+CSS). Examples are: TiddlyResearch, > TiddlyShow, Projectify, ... > Ciao

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HP et al ... Just FYI, I tried many times on Twitter to get some interest in the fact our toot is a *rare example of a practical, working QUINE.* I was replying mainly to developers. I thought it would be of real interest. BUT, actually, the response was flat. The "Quine" nature of our tool

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Mark S. wrote: > It would be interesting if people posted their approximate geographical > location, where they grew up, and what the word "tiddler" suggests to them. Purely for your interest ... I grew up in the UK in Leicestershire always next to rivers or canals, or living on boats, for

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I like the name "AtomCards" to add my two cents to the discussion :D positiv...@gmail.com schrieb am Montag, 28. Dezember 2020 um 07:14:43 UTC+1: > I couldn't find if this topic has already been re-hashed this decade. But > I was wondering if there is any value in discussing alternative names

Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Project Name

@clutterstack On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 12:19 AM clutterstack wrote: > memexr? I'll see myself out... > > But seriously, I'm more excited about the idea of a new version more > comfortable in its bones with all the things TW can do. Sounds like an > awful lot of work, though. Fun though! But

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"quines" - could refer to tiddlers as well fmpov. On Friday, January 1, 2021 at 12:53:17 PM UTC+1 HP wrote: > Quinly - sounds friendly as well... > > On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 9:49:02 PM UTC+1 clutterstack wrote: > >> memexr? I'll see myself out... >> >> But seriously, I'm more excited

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Quinly - sounds friendly as well... On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 9:49:02 PM UTC+1 clutterstack wrote: > memexr? I'll see myself out... > > But seriously, I'm more excited about the idea of a new version more > comfortable in its bones with all the things TW can do. Sounds like an > awful

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memexr? I'll see myself out... But seriously, I'm more excited about the idea of a new version more comfortable in its bones with all the things TW can do. Sounds like an awful lot of work, though. Fun though! But that's my perennial personal trap. I also think Charlie's point below is

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@Mark S Quite quintessential?! On Thursday, 31 December 2020 at 19:43:47 UTC Mark S. wrote: > Quinessence > > On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 9:50:32 AM UTC-8 HP wrote: > >> I chip in: Quinely >> >> No software found with this name. >> >> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 6:24:59 PM UTC+1

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Quinessence On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 9:50:32 AM UTC-8 HP wrote: > I chip in: Quinely > > No software found with this name. > > On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 6:24:59 PM UTC+1 taale...@gmail.com > wrote: > >> So, what if we create a place other than here (n Tiddlywiki.com?) for >>

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I think I'm with a gentle drift away from the tiddly to TWsomething. It could just become the initials... Kentucky Fried Chicken is now just KFC. TWP could be Tiddly Wiki Platform.. Total Wiki.. Transformational Word Producer... As others have said.. I don't think the name is the biggest

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Meant to add... Cards? Hypercard used cards... and how old is that? Predates the web by almost 10 years. @Jeremy I appreciate your point about the conversation inevitably reducing to name--offerings, but the deeper, more fundamental and technical stuff should happen "in another place",

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I chip in: Quinely No software found with this name. On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 6:24:59 PM UTC+1 taale...@gmail.com wrote: > So, what if we create a place other than here (n Tiddlywiki.com?) for > possible names, so we have somewhere to brainstorm without bogging down the > list? > >

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So, what if we create a place other than here (n Tiddlywiki.com?) for possible names, so we have somewhere to brainstorm without bogging down the list? On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 10:02 AM PMario wrote: > Hi, > At first I thought xememex is complicated, but then I thought about it. I > did play a

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Hi, At first I thought xememex is complicated, but then I thought about it. I did play a little bit with it. As wikipedia tells us: memex is a hypthetical thing , It may come from "memory extension", Quote: "The memex would provide an "enlarged intimate

Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Project Name

Yet another kibble... I like that TiddlyWiki has user choice configuration in $:/language/DefaultNewTiddlerTitle renaming to new dot/tip/card/memex/ Thankfully, there is little cognitive effort to understand that my new pet name for wiki entries is just a tiddler in TiddlyWiki. TiddlyWiki

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"Record" is the terminology that I use when I am describing what TiddlyWiki uses as it's atomic unit to someone. It is little more standard than "tiddler" and has the potential to leverage some previous understanding of databases. :] /Mike -- You received this message because you are

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For clarity, Mark, I am Australian , lived in Papua new Guinea and New Zealand as a Child, tiddler always implied small and diminutive, but the children's game TiddlyWinks is a dominant thought. The idea of a tiddler as a fish to throw back if caught may have proceeded my discovery of tiddler

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It would be interesting if people posted their approximate geographical location, where they grew up, and what the word "tiddler" suggests to them. When you've never heard a word, your brain reaches for the closest one it can think of. To most members of the largest English speaking country on

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Thoughts from a non-coding user that has learned some wikitext/html/css over the past year to customize his tiddlywiki: If the goal is to attract a wider audience/more people to use TiddlyWiki, namechanging itself won't be enough I think. I agree what is said before on the name itself not

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Data point from a fairly new (<1y) user. "Tiddlywiki" and "tiddler" stopped sounding weird to me very quickly. Renaming "because there's something inherently wrong with the name" seems silly to me. Renaming because of a new baseline codebase/breaking changes? that makes more sense. It does

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My disjointed 2 cents: The names "TiddlyWiki" and "Tiddler" got a few chuckles from my manager when I proposed it as a solution for an internal Wiki/Knowledge Base, then we moved on. It's a funny and unique name, but I don't think it's necessarily that bad once that initial bump has been

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reading and mostly staying quiet, but... Hate Xememex (is that the right number of ms and xes). How do I pronounce it? Not terribly concerned with the architectural provenance and meaning, and I think the nitpicking here is less helpful. Rebrand, for aforementioned reasons, is reasonable, but

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wow the things i miss when i go on a short trip. my input, which everyone will just proceed to ignore: 1. I think forking is a good idea if there is going to be a big overhaul. I am in favor of making things easier for those who design and develop this wonder of technology, even though it

Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Project Name

Ciao Jeremy I get the point that meandering over all possible names ain't helpful. And I also LIKE the general idea that our tool is dealing with FUNDAMENTAL SEMANTIC ARCHITECTURAL re-composition at will ... In other words, basically our tool explores and refoliates the nature of information

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Myself, I'm rather a fan of, kind of attached to, the word "tiddler" and all the goodness the word represents semantically/philosophically. Every time I create a tiddler, "tiddler" immediately puts me in the philosophical mindset while in the process of creating/writing/organizing. On

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Thanks for all the great responses. I agree with Arun Babu that the modernization of TiddlyWiki is in a separate project would be great to have, and rebranding would be helpful to that end. I also agree with Charlie Veniot that the current project's name is NOT a problem. Everyone who I talk

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Interesting and well considered commentary in this thread. - Sadly TiddlyWiki has trouble being taken seriously, friends think I am obsessed with something, no more complex than "tiddly Winks" (this annoys me but is true). They rarely hear Wiki. Some points from my view. I delight

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I would like to give my 2 cents to this rebranding discussion by agreeing with Charlie Veniot that "Xememex" sounds like a name for a drug. If it is the overall consent that "TiddlyWiki" is a bad name that diminishes the product, I'm confused how "Xememex" would help in that sense. I'm probably

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"Xememex" to me sounds like a name for a pharmaceutical company. Or a drug. Maybe I'd be fine with something like that as an add-on to the name TW. A bit like "Debian Sarge", "Debian Buster", "Debian Sid" The name "TiddlyWiki" makes it so easy to find anything in the related body of

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I think modernization of TW should be the priority and it’s better to make use of the current momentum among developers and contributors for that. New project will naturally help in getting more reach for the software. Rebranding can be done at the time of launch of new software. For the time

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On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 8:52:20 AM UTC-4 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote: > That is indeed one of the critical questions. > > Over the years we've had consistent feedback on the name "TiddlyWiki" that > ranges between: > > * I don't care about the name, it's just a meaningless string of

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Xememex contains only 3 letters, arranged to spell the same forward and back. How hard could that be to remember? Speaking of not appealing, I remember be astonished as a kid that Exxon had spent thousands (millions ?) developing it's name. It only got worse after the Exxon Valdez (which, BTW,

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But wikipedia is a successful brand known to everyone and with a name with no known bad connotations. TiddlyWiki hasn't really taken off and will not lose significant share. In one of the largest english speaking countries on the planet, "Tiddly..." carries the connotation of "play thing" and

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G'day all, To me, product renaming/rebranding has high risk of becoming that product's kiss of death. High risk, low benefit. Take Wikipedia, for example. Changing the name of that would be, I think, a brutally bad idea. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

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How about "Tidwiki" - "tid" from tidbit (a small morsel). Very similiar to Tiddlywiki (a name I don't have any problem with, incidentally), just shorter, and single Tidwikis could still be Tiddlers. "Xememex" does not appeal; obscure and hard to remember. On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at

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The uniqueness of "xememex" is nice for making sure I find the sample code for just the new project. That is the only real concern I would have about renaming: Making sure search engine results can be refined easily. Although I personally agree that the project title word is just a random

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I know Jeremy's trying to not make this all name related - but not being a developer, don't think I can contribute to that part of the conversation. I agree that it would seem logical to use a new name with a new significant version, though I also agree that development has been so healthy

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On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 4:02:18 AM UTC-8 wrote: > > As you mention in a later reply, the real challenge is replacing the word > tiddler. I remember trying this in Classic and it wasn't easy then and is > probably even harder now with all the widget attributes etc. Which makes me >

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Jeremy, In other words, I think TiddlyWiki 5 is ripe for such a thorough internal > overhaul that changing the names might not be as much of a practical > consideration as it would be if we had to maintain backwards compatibility. > I think this makes perfect sense. At first I was thinking we

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TiddlyWiki Classic TiddlyWiki 5 I think you are right in that, if this was an effort to distinguish, it is perhaps a bit lacking. While we're at it, maybe take up the naming scheme that many other projects use? Everyone seems to understand that MacOS Catalina and MacOS Big Sur are

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> As appealing as this sounds, I just don't think that as a small community we > have the resources to support both, unless the intention would be for > TiddlyWiki 5 to only receive bug fix updates. I think that would be the default, yes, unless somebody wanted to pick up the development more

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Hi Jeremy, > There are other approaches. We could fork the good parts of TiddlyWiki 5.x > into a new project called Xememex that is less constrained by backwards > compatibility (eg. targeting more modern JavaScript engines). Both the > TiddlyWiki 5 and Xememex projects would proceed

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Well, then. My absolutely best proposal is: QuineCards It partly says what TW is but still invites for further questions and curiosity. AFAICT it is unregistered. And the round and friendly initials should make it easy to create a logo. I think it is spot on. <:-) On Monday, December 28,

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Hi Jeremy, On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 1:48 PM Jeremy Ruston wrote: > Perhaps worth clarifying that "change the name" at its simplest might mean > renaming the current TiddlyWiki 5 project to Xememex as of a particular > version number. We'd try to maintain backwards compatibility as we normally >

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On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 12:51 PM TiddlyTweeter wrote: > On Monday, 28 December 2020 at 07:14:43 UTC+1 positiv...@gmail.com wrote: > >> The goal of renaming the project would be to push the desire for > "smallness" of the individual unit using a more standard English word. > Please forgive me if

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Perhaps worth clarifying that "change the name" at its simplest might mean renaming the current TiddlyWiki 5 project to Xememex as of a particular version number. We'd try to maintain backwards compatibility as we normally do, but just lose the terms "TiddlyWiki" and "tiddler". There are other

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Since we last discussed this topic, I've been increasingly thinking that we should indeed make plans to change the name. The best alternatives I've got are "xememex" for the product, and "card" for the unit of information. I've had the domain xememex.com for a few years and the @xememex user

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Ciao positiv...@gmail.com *Small footnote to my last ...* Several times I have suggested that TiddlyWiki is the ULTIMATE BRICOLAGE ENGINE for computers. Immediately, with "Bricolage", though, you get the same issue as the "Tiddly" language specificity. "Bricolage" is a French activity (akin

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Project Name

On Monday, 28 December 2020 at 07:14:43 UTC+1 positiv...@gmail.com wrote: >> The goal of renaming the project would be to push the desire for "smallness" of the individual unit using a more standard English word. Please forgive me if I am pushing anyone's buttons here. This topic was just on my