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Well, let's see... the new car automatically unlocks all the doors when I
get in (my wife thinks the carjackers'll love that one), I have to stand on the
brake pe
Which is precisely why I ALWAYS do a project with both ends of the sprectrum being in
on the decision process (Management & IT). What good is a system that you bring in
house only to have it a technical OR Business Solution misfit?
BTW...although sometime the shoe fits...but why is management
In a message dated 4/19/2004 1:34:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Now, would anyone care to post any experiences on performance of
> implementing a star schema in a set of normalized U2 files and doing
> drill down and roll up strictly with LIST, SORT, and its
> option
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> In truth I have found the fear to be more in the hearts of the IT
> person who has tweaked the system over the past 15+ years and is insulted
> that their masterpiece is being considered a dinosaur ready f
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> The reason why you need that special view (20L vs 12L) is because you are
> constrained by your 132 column printer (or 240 cols).
>
> As a cube uses the screen as it's canvas, which has a scroll bar, you
I believe I added this option years ago... try using DET.SUP or DET-SUPP.
At 06:29 PM 4/17/2004, you wrote:
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> and had to watch the compiler meticulously display those line-by
> line asterisks during compiling.
Brian,
As a graphical programmer, I couldn't agree with you more. As an MV
programmer, I couldn't agree with you more. GUI has its place,
especially with infrequent users. Green screen has its place, especially
with heads-down users.
--
Sincerely,
Charles Barouch
www.Ke
;s car had that fault when we bought it - another £30 repair bill
coming up :-(
Cheers,
Wol
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And it was YOU that bought it!
m coffee... need more..
Les :-)
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Well, let'
Well, let's see... the new car automatically unlocks all the doors when I
get in (my wife thinks the carjackers'll love that one), I have to stand on the
brake pedal to get it to start, the window decides for itself to go all the
way down when I just want it down a crack, and the turning radius
When we advise clients on GUI, we always advise a divide and conquer
approach.
It is amazing just how small a percentage of a system actually needs to be
GUItized, once you have partitioned out the business rules, report and
(strange) user menus, admin facilities etc.
Use a regular report desig
Yeah. Then I'd be accused of shooting the baby with a wet silver bullet.
Seriously folks, this is a good discussion, but it getting a bit off
topic at times. I would suggest doing what Ross did a few posts ago.
Rather than go into a long discussion about "is a star schema a cube or
a representa
oss Ferris
Stamina Software
Visage – an Evolution in Software Development
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ithout the programmer who insists that
green screen is where a system should stay...
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>Thanks Dawn! You have enlightened me in qui
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>In a message dated 4/18/2004 9:46:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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>> Neither you, nor the user, need to wo
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> So YOU, as a developer, would construct a cube with the 6 "key" fields
that the user is interested in. You also get to do
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Cube summary: In an MV implementation, a cube might be a file with a
multipart key and each part of the key being a foreign key to another file.
Additionally, instead of virtu
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> Neither you, nor the user, need to worry about "format" statements, as this
> information will come directly from your dictionary (though there is an API that you
> can use if your database does "naughty"
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> So YOU, as a developer, would construct a cube with the 6 "key" fields that the user
> is interested in. You also get to do things like define an "opening" view of the
> information - AND also the query t
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> Sorry, I'm not going to publish the code here :-) suffice to say that
> BECAUSE we have had the luxury of time to develop Viságe, we have overcome MANY
> problems that face this type of technolog
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>In a message dated 4/18/2004 10:18:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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Software Development
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>Not to be out of touch, but what is a Sales Cube. I saw Swordfish and I
>hope
>that
[hacked quotes from Ross]
>Viságe is NOT a terminal emulator on steroids - it is a
>complete application development framework,
That is a fundamental point which most people miss. AccuTerm is not an
application development environment along the lines of Viságe, and I will
include Nucleus and Des
ge-
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Not to be out of touch, but what is a Sales Cube. I saw Swordfish and I hope
that itn't it.
Thanks.
[I went on and on and then said]
>>As an aside, pardon me for being so bold, but it's amazing that the
>>providers of these GUI products aren't jumping to pay people
>like me to
>>help developers become viable candidates for their products. There's
>>no guarantee that any given site will adopt
t;CB3" Barouch
Mark Johnson wrote:
Not to be out of touch, but what is a Sales Cube. I saw Swordfish and I hope
that itn't it.
Thanks.
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Not to be out of touch, but what is a Sales Cube. I saw Swordfish and I hope
that itn't it.
Thanks.
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> That would certainly be the case, especially when you also take into account the
> REDUCTION of DB licences required to support your user population ! (or for existing
> sites the ability to increase the
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> For example, aligning this back to the original post, rather than attempting to use
> CR for reporting, I'd simply create a Viságe.BIT cube to give the users free-form
> enquiry and data exploration faci
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>As an aside, pardon me for be
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> Then some of the validation (two field
Embedded responses to (hopefully) add contextual reference
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quot;smart" Terminal Emulator MANY moons ago, and we
still use & promote AccuTerm with our R5 application suite.
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In a message dated 4/17/2004 10:21:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> AFIK, "Visage" offers users a GUI in a TOTAL WINDOWS LOOK AND
> FEEL/BROWSER environment, without having to do a "total rewrite", but a
> "rewrite" none the less, re-using some portions, perhaps, of exi
Goo'day,
At 10:17 18/04/04, Will replied to:
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> A key factor that makes CUI non-portable
> to GUI is the embedded Input and Print statements in the code.
I respectfully disagree that this is key.
Aren't we for
Will wrote:
>> A key factor that makes CUI non-portable
>> to GUI is the embedded Input and Print statements in the code.
>
>I respectfully disagree that this is key.
>After all event oriented apps also have input statements
>I think you mean the key factor is that the programs are not
>event orie
R.
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In a message dated 4/17/2004 4:16:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL
In a message dated 4/17/2004 4:16:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> A key factor that makes CUI non-portable
> to GUI is the embedded Input and Print statements in the code.
I respectfully disagree that this is key.
After all event oriented apps also have input statements
Tough to find a good place for these comments. There are some interesting
observations to make on the mentality of IT people, business management,
etc..
First, on the concept of "if we're going to add a GUI we might as well get
an entirely new app": The business rules and UI should be considered
In a message dated 4/17/2004 7:35:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> and had to watch the compiler meticulously display those line-by
> line asterisks during compiling.
O speaking of that, thank you that reminds me.
When doing BUILD-INDEX is it really necessary to disp
In a message dated 4/17/2004 9:10:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> The tools are there to produce applications on par with anything on the
> market. Web interfaces via tools like Redback. UOJ, .Net PDP, or the java
> interfaces are all there to produce great solutions fo
nd-user so I could plant my feet and really invest for their (our) future.
But being independent, that's probably the way the ball bounces.
Thanks.
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Ross:
Your square peg, round hole analogy is pretty accurate. GP seems to be the
next step for quick
not alone ! and whilst you may think my
comments are harsh, I fear they could be a portent for the future)
Ross Ferris
Stamina Software
Visage - an Evolution in Software Development
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H,
We spent 3 years developing a product (CrystalLynx) that allowed us to work
with Crys
Saturday, 17 April 2004 5:41 AM
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>
>Crystal is indeed a very fine product. It is a banded report writer with a
>multitude of programmability. Multivalued data is indeed a pain in the
>neck. Normalize the da
>I'm trying to strongly propose a data warehouse concept whereby the day's
>sales data gets exported and updated into their prior application for the
>sake of the multitude of existing, proven reports in MV. If these guys took
>3 days for a simple tax report, how can CR fabricate temporary tables f
Take the Lead
If they have SQL Server already, build a mini datawarehouse that you
populate Daily, and then set up the new Report Services of SQL Server
which is a free add on to SQL Server 2000. In somes ways it has some
better features than Crystal reports. It gives your system a fresh
face f
Mark, it's interesting to see this project unfold, please do keep us up on
events there.
(Ready for some acronym soup?) Crystal Reports is heavily tied to .NET
these days. Microsoft has selected CR for integration with Great Plains, so
there is a high level of commitment to the CR/GP/.NET links.
We spent a fair bit of time building our schema so that the data appears to
be in 1nf for Crystal to understand it. We've made some reports out of it
that are pretty impressive and would have required a number of basic
routines and some "work" files to create.
They will be able to get the reports
Crystal is indeed a very fine product. It is a banded report writer with a
multitude of programmability. Multivalued data is indeed a pain in the
neck. Normalize the data 1st and you'll find Crystal a joy to use with
output, features and polish that MV can't come close to. The 'problems'
that
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