Re: [Ubnt_users] FCC regulation Part 15.407 (a)(2), (h)(2) question

[Mathew Howard]

If you're using older Rockets, you'll need to request an activation code and 
new FCCID labels from UBNT, and be on firmware that (legally) supports DFS. If 
the Rockets are relatively new, just make sure the EIRP doesn't exceed 30dBm 
and you should be fine.

Also, 5150-5250mhz can be used with Rocket M5s on airOS 5.5.10, and that does 
allow a bit higher power (36dBm EIRP), so that may work better if the links are 
longer.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Eduardo [edua...@webjogger.net]
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:28 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: [Ubnt_users] FCC regulation Part 15.407 (a)(2), (h)(2) question

How are you guys doing the DFS and radar detection in compliance with the FCC 
regulation when using DFS in the RocketM5 radios?

We've several links with RocketM5 and the environment is getting polluted in 
the 5725-5850 spectrum and we're considering using DFS.

Thanks,
Eduardo

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Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

[Mathew Howard]

oh... yeah, I read that wrong.

don't mind me, my brain is slightly non-functional today...


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 4:47 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

I think that's what Rory was saying.



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From: Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 4:42:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

I'm pretty sure the XW Locos/NanoStations and Rockets already support DFS... 
it's just the NanoBeam/PowerBeam that doesn't.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Rory Conaway [r...@triadwireless.net]
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 6:51 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

We can’t use them yet until DFS, all our APs are there.

Rory

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 5:48 PM
To: ubnt_users@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

We haven't received any XW locos/nanos/nanobridges/rockets yet, except for 
RocketM5-Ti XW's.

Our nanobeams that we have as CPEs are working just fine with RocketM5 APs. No 
low rates, good ccq, no WDS problems. Running 5.5.9 on the nanobeams, and 5.5.8 
or 5.5.10 on the RocketM5's.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com
On 11/09/2014 03:40 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Yes and Ubnt APs.  Nsm5 I think was our problem.  Replaced with a beam5 and I 
could bridge again.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 9, 2014 7:27 PM, Adair Winter 
ada...@amarillowireless.netmailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote:
WDS issues with non ubiquiti ap's?

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

Probably since the Nanobeams definitely have WDS issues.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 9, 2014 7:19 PM, Mike Hammett 
wispaubntus...@ics-il.netmailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote:
Any issues on the new hardware inside the old models?


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From: Matt Hoppes 
mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 6:18:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?
Just had that happen on a RocketM5. I can't keep up.

On Nov 9, 2014, at 7:11 PM, Rory Conaway 
r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote:
Can I assume that all the NS5M Locos now have the same processors as the 
Nanobeams?  They are coming preloaded with XW firmware.  Very confusing.

Rory Conaway
Triad Wireless
4226 S. 37th Street
Phoenix, Az.  85040
602-426-0542tel:602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.nethttp://www.triadwireless.net

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Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

[Mathew Howard]

It does. anything with XW firmware on it is going to have the newer, faster 
processor.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Rory Conaway [r...@triadwireless.net]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 5:47 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

Right now everything talks to everyone else.  I’m just trying to figure out if 
the NS5ML has the newer, faster, processor.

Rory


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 4:39 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

So then, what version of firmware is needed on my XM AP's to talk with XW 
clients?

Are there limits on XM AP's talking to mixed XM, XW and legacy 4.02 clients?

--
On 11/10/2014 6:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Yup.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 10, 2014 6:30 PM, Blair Davis 
the...@wmwisp.netmailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote:
Isn't the XW for one CPU and the XM for a different CPU?

--
On 11/10/2014 6:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

It's a free upgrade essentially.  They didn't want to make a new product since 
they sell a couple dozen of them every month.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 10, 2014 6:03 PM, Rory Conaway 
r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote:
I’m trying to figure out why they use XW firmware when other nanostations use 
xm firmware.  If they have faster processors, that’s important for network 
design.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 3:49 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

oh... yeah, I read that wrong.

don't mind me, my brain is slightly non-functional today...


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.netmailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 4:47 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?
I think that's what Rory was saying.


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From: Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 4:42:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?
I'm pretty sure the XW Locos/NanoStations and Rockets already support DFS... 
it's just the NanoBeam/PowerBeam that doesn't.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Rory Conaway [r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net]
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 6:51 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?
We can’t use them yet until DFS, all our APs are there.

Rory

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 5:48 PM
To: ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

We haven't received any XW locos/nanos/nanobridges/rockets yet, except for 
RocketM5-Ti XW's.

Our nanobeams that we have as CPEs are working just fine with RocketM5 APs. No 
low rates, good ccq, no WDS problems. Running 5.5.9 on the nanobeams, and 5.5.8 
or 5.5.10 on the RocketM5's.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com
On 11/09/2014 03:40 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Yes and Ubnt APs.  Nsm5 I think was our problem.  Replaced with a beam5 and I 
could bridge again.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 9, 2014 7:27 PM, Adair Winter 
ada...@amarillowireless.netmailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote:
WDS issues with non ubiquiti ap's?

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Josh Luthman 
j

Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

[Mathew Howard]

Yep, the last normal Rocket M5's I got are XW.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Rory Conaway [r...@triadwireless.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 9:53 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

So then are any of the Rockets getting the new processors other than the  
Titaniums?

Rory

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:21 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

http://bit.ly/1zI4lvh


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From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com
To: ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:52:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?
They should call all of the XW products Mk2's. That's how ironman labels all 
his stuff.

They need snazy stickers on the boxes that talk about the faster! new and 
improved! products.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com
On 11/10/2014 03:43 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
It does. anything with XW firmware on it is going to have the newer, faster 
processor.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Rory Conaway [r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 5:47 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?
Right now everything talks to everyone else.  I’m just trying to figure out if 
the NS5ML has the newer, faster, processor.

Rory


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 4:39 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

So then, what version of firmware is needed on my XM AP's to talk with XW 
clients?

Are there limits on XM AP's talking to mixed XM, XW and legacy 4.02 clients?

--
On 11/10/2014 6:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Yup.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 10, 2014 6:30 PM, Blair Davis 
the...@wmwisp.netmailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote:
Isn't the XW for one CPU and the XM for a different CPU?

--
On 11/10/2014 6:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

It's a free upgrade essentially.  They didn't want to make a new product since 
they sell a couple dozen of them every month.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 10, 2014 6:03 PM, Rory Conaway 
r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote:
I’m trying to figure out why they use XW firmware when other nanostations use 
xm firmware.  If they have faster processors, that’s important for network 
design.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 3:49 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

oh... yeah, I read that wrong.

don't mind me, my brain is slightly non-functional today...


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.netmailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 4:47 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?
I think that's what Rory was saying.


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From: Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users

Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

[Mathew Howard]

I'm not sure... I think the Ti may have more RAM and the normal M5 still 
doesn't have gigabit ethernet - whether that has any real affect, I don't know.

I did a bit of digging in the startup logs, and if I'm reading this right the 
XW Rocket and NanoBeam are both a MIPS 74Kc clocked at 535mhz. If I remember 
right, the XM Rockets had a MIPS 24Kc clocked at 400mhz. I don't have any XW 
Titaniums, so I'm not sure what they have, but the old Titaniums appear to be a 
MIPS 74Kc clocked at 560mhz.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Rory Conaway [r...@triadwireless.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 10:10 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

So, does that mean we get Titanium performance at Rocket prices?  What is the 
build code on the radio?

Rory

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 9:06 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

Yep, the last normal Rocket M5's I got are XW.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Rory Conaway 
[r...@triadwireless.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 9:53 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?
So then are any of the Rockets getting the new processors other than the  
Titaniums?

Rory

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:21 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

http://bit.ly/1zI4lvh


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com
To: ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:52:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?
They should call all of the XW products Mk2's. That's how ironman labels all 
his stuff.

They need snazy stickers on the boxes that talk about the faster! new and 
improved! products.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com
On 11/10/2014 03:43 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
It does. anything with XW firmware on it is going to have the newer, faster 
processor.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Rory Conaway [r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 5:47 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?
Right now everything talks to everyone else.  I’m just trying to figure out if 
the NS5ML has the newer, faster, processor.

Rory


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 4:39 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

So then, what version of firmware is needed on my XM AP's to talk with XW 
clients?

Are there limits on XM AP's talking to mixed XM, XW and legacy 4.02 clients?

--
On 11/10/2014 6:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Yup.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 10, 2014 6:30 PM, Blair Davis 
the...@wmwisp.netmailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote:
Isn't the XW for one CPU and the XM for a different CPU?

--
On 11/10/2014 6:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

It's a free upgrade essentially.  They didn't want to make a new product since 
they sell a couple dozen of them every month.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 10, 2014 6:03 PM, Rory Conaway 
r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote:
I’m trying to figure out why they use XW firmware when other nanostations use 
xm firmware.  If they have faster processors, that’s important for network 
design.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 3:49 PM

Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

[Mathew Howard]

The build code on the XW Rockets I have is 1413G.

I should mention, I bought a couple more from the same vendor after I got these 
ones and got XM's (with an older build code though).


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Rory Conaway [r...@triadwireless.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 10:10 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

So, does that mean we get Titanium performance at Rocket prices?  What is the 
build code on the radio?

Rory

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 9:06 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

Yep, the last normal Rocket M5's I got are XW.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Rory Conaway 
[r...@triadwireless.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 9:53 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?
So then are any of the Rockets getting the new processors other than the  
Titaniums?

Rory

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:21 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

http://bit.ly/1zI4lvh


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From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com
To: ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:52:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?
They should call all of the XW products Mk2's. That's how ironman labels all 
his stuff.

They need snazy stickers on the boxes that talk about the faster! new and 
improved! products.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com
On 11/10/2014 03:43 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
It does. anything with XW firmware on it is going to have the newer, faster 
processor.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Rory Conaway [r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 5:47 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?
Right now everything talks to everyone else.  I’m just trying to figure out if 
the NS5ML has the newer, faster, processor.

Rory


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 4:39 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

So then, what version of firmware is needed on my XM AP's to talk with XW 
clients?

Are there limits on XM AP's talking to mixed XM, XW and legacy 4.02 clients?

--
On 11/10/2014 6:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Yup.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 10, 2014 6:30 PM, Blair Davis 
the...@wmwisp.netmailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote:
Isn't the XW for one CPU and the XM for a different CPU?

--
On 11/10/2014 6:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

It's a free upgrade essentially.  They didn't want to make a new product since 
they sell a couple dozen of them every month.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 10, 2014 6:03 PM, Rory Conaway 
r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote:
I’m trying to figure out why they use XW firmware when other nanostations use 
xm firmware.  If they have faster processors, that’s important for network 
design.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 3:49 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

oh... yeah, I read that wrong.

don't mind me, my brain is slightly non-functional today...


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun

Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

[Mathew Howard]

Does anyone know if there is such a thing as an XW NanoBridge M5? or are those 
still XM, since they're being replaced by the NanoBeam eventually anyway?

It would be nice to be able able to get better performance out of some of our 
NanoBridge links without having to drag a whole new dish up the tower.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Mathew Howard [mat...@litewire.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 12:04 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

The build code on the XW Rockets I have is 1413G.

I should mention, I bought a couple more from the same vendor after I got these 
ones and got XM's (with an older build code though).


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Rory Conaway [r...@triadwireless.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 10:10 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

So, does that mean we get Titanium performance at Rocket prices?  What is the 
build code on the radio?

Rory

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 9:06 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

Yep, the last normal Rocket M5's I got are XW.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Rory Conaway 
[r...@triadwireless.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 9:53 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?
So then are any of the Rockets getting the new processors other than the  
Titaniums?

Rory

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:21 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

http://bit.ly/1zI4lvh


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From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com
To: ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:52:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?
They should call all of the XW products Mk2's. That's how ironman labels all 
his stuff.

They need snazy stickers on the boxes that talk about the faster! new and 
improved! products.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com
On 11/10/2014 03:43 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
It does. anything with XW firmware on it is going to have the newer, faster 
processor.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Rory Conaway [r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 5:47 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?
Right now everything talks to everyone else.  I’m just trying to figure out if 
the NS5ML has the newer, faster, processor.

Rory


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 4:39 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] XW firmware on Nanostation 5M Locos?

So then, what version of firmware is needed on my XM AP's to talk with XW 
clients?

Are there limits on XM AP's talking to mixed XM, XW and legacy 4.02 clients?

--
On 11/10/2014 6:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Yup.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 10, 2014 6:30 PM, Blair Davis 
the...@wmwisp.netmailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote:
Isn't the XW for one CPU and the XM for a different CPU?

--
On 11/10/2014 6:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

It's a free upgrade essentially.  They didn't want to make a new product since 
they sell a couple dozen of them every month.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 10, 2014 6:03 PM, Rory Conaway 
r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote:
I’m trying to figure out why they use XW firmware when other nanostations use 
xm firmware.  If they have faster

Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance

[Mathew Howard]

As long as it has good line of site and 5.8ghz is clean enough, it should work 
fine. According to the built in link calculator, it should be able to do 
149.76Mbps using 20mhz channels at 13 miles... if you need more than that, you 
can use wider channels, but that's going to be using pretty much the whole 
5.8ghz band.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 11:35 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance

http://www.balticnetworks.com/wireless-calculators
http://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/airfiber/airFiber_DS.pdf

Guessing 20 dB of Tx power, you should be able to maintain that if you have low 
noise. AF5 won't work in 5150. DFS won't reach that far, so you have to use 5.8.

For areas over -88 noise it probably won't work well. If noise permits, a 10 
MHz or 20 MHz channel will give you 100/100. If you can make 8x modulation, 10 
MHz should be fine. For each lower modulation, you'll need the next bigger 
channel (roughly).



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From: Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com
To: ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 11:25:27 AM
Subject: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance

Would an AF5 be able to supply 150/150 (true throughput) @ 13mi?

We have a customer requesting a 100/100 connection who is 5 miles from one of 
our tower sites. Our site is currently 3 hops from any of our fiber fed tower 
sites. With some redesign work and a mile or two of fiber I can shorten that to 
a single 13 Mile hop but I’m wondering if I can use an AF 5 for that hop and 
get the needed throughput.

Thanks,
Robert Haas



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Re: [Ubnt_users] Scrap the Unifi Phones - I want a signal readout on my watch

[Mathew Howard]

This is a good idea! I can't see any reason why it shouldn't work... it's just 
a matter of getting somebody to make an app.
It looks like there actually is a web browser that runs on the watches, so it 
might even be possible already, although I'm guessing that wouldn't be very 
usable.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 12:59 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Scrap the Unifi Phones - I want a signal readout on 
my watch

Can you configure or do anything with it at all?  Or is it a dumb device where 
you pair it and you're options are done with.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Jason Pond 
p...@grizzlyinternet.commailto:p...@grizzlyinternet.com wrote:
I have the Samsung gear fit.

It is not the full blown watch.

Simple display connects via Bluetooth, shows clock, current temp / weather 
status as pulled from Accuweather app.

Shows number / name of who is calling or sent a text.

Can reply with pre-canned message via text.

Used for pedometer, hiking, biking, walking w/ gps track back to phone,

Meeting reminders, can show e-mails also ( I do not use this feature)

I have not played with any android programming these are the built in features.

I have not tried this with another phone but I think it might be Samsung 
proprietary.

Sincerely,

Jason Pond
Grizzly Internet, Inc

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Well first off the iPhone watch isn't even out and second of all I think 
Android is majority.  So Android first!!!

Does anyone have an Android watch at all?  Can you share some details about it 
(how it connects to the phone, what kind of API you get, what capabilities it 
has?)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Matt Hoppes 
mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:
What about the iPhone watch?


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312

On 12/1/14, 1:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 First use I've found for an Android watch.



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 *From: *Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.commailto:st...@pcswin.com
 *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group 
 ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 12:07:20 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] Scrap the Unifi Phones - I want a signal
 readout on mywatch

 That is a fabulous idea.



 *Steven Barnes*

 GM

 PCSWIN.com

 Howard LLC.



 *From:*ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
 [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] 
 *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Monday, December 01, 2014 12:45 PM
 *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
 *Subject:* [Ubnt_users] Scrap the Unifi Phones - I want a signal readout
 on my watch



 Has anyone tried to get into this project?  I'd love to have an Android
 watch connected to my phone which would go to the backhaul or CPE for a
 signal readout to display on the watch.  Hopefully someone can make this
 as easy as buying a watch! =)



 Josh Luthman
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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance

[Mathew Howard]

Any chance you can find two smaller channels and use it in full duplex? the 
nice thing about running the AF5 in full duplex is that the channels only need 
to be clean at the receive end... and if you don't need as much capacity one 
direction, you can use a smaller channel.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Phil Curnutt [pcurn...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 1:18 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance

We have one at 12.5 miles and it reports Rx Capacity at 213 Mbps, but I don't 
know what that translate to reality.  That is a 50 MHz channel width at 5800 
MHz with signal levels around -65 and a noise level of about -92.  We are 
having difficulty maintaining that 213, it wants to switch back and fourth to 
110.  Ran some AirView's yesterday to see what the spectrum looks like and it 
is not good.  The only clear area's are DFS off limits and all of the rest of 
the spectrum from 5400 to 5900 has at least a 20 MHz channel width AP on it 
already.

Phil

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Robert Haas 
rob-li...@bpsnetworks.commailto:rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com wrote:
Would an AF5 be able to supply 150/150 (true throughput) @ 13mi?

We have a customer requesting a 100/100 connection who is 5 miles from one of 
our tower sites. Our site is currently 3 hops from any of our fiber fed tower 
sites. With some redesign work and a mile or two of fiber I can shorten that to 
a single 13 Mile hop but I’m wondering if I can use an AF 5 for that hop and 
get the needed throughput.

Thanks,
Robert Haas



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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

[Mathew Howard]

5.6 beta 5 actually does support the 5.1 band.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 3:42 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

Ubnt is about raising attention and getting their stock price up.  I mean how 
hard can it be to combine 5.5.10 plus SNMP that's in 5.6 beta.  You literally 
have to choose between 5.1 band or SNMP right now.  I'm no software developer 
but this can't be that difficult!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Mike Hammett 
wispaubntus...@ics-il.netmailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote:
I saw bits and pieces along the way and told them no every time.



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From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com
To: ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:37:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

I'm not sure how much I can say on this topic, but I will say that over a year 
ago when this was proposed everyone told them (to their faces) NO, we do not 
want this.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com

On 12/01/2014 12:35 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I don't know how anyone could read their target market this badly.

It's like Ferrari or Lamborghini coming out with something to compete with the 
Geo Metro.



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From: Mike Hammett 
wispaubntus...@ics-il.netmailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:09:39 PM
Subject: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

It's called airCRM. It does billing and control. It's only hosted in the cloud.

How could UBNT go this long without a functional control platform only to fuck 
it up this badly?



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Re: [Ubnt_users] Scrap the Unifi Phones - I want a signal readout on my watch

[Mathew Howard]

There is a browser for Android Wear... which seems to be what most of the 
watches are running.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.appfour.wearbrowserhl=en


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 5:57 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Scrap the Unifi Phones - I want a signal readout on 
my watch


I don't think any of the watches have a browser.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 1, 2014 6:44 PM, Kees H 
wi...@calbroadband.commailto:wi...@calbroadband.com wrote:
If there is a web browser that runs on watches that is all you need.  I already 
check the signals for an install on my smart phone.


- Original Message -
From: Mathew Howardmailto:mat...@litewire.net
To: Ubiquiti Users Groupmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Scrap the Unifi Phones - I want a signal readout on 
my watch

This is a good idea! I can't see any reason why it shouldn't work... it's just 
a matter of getting somebody to make an app.
It looks like there actually is a web browser that runs on the watches, so it 
might even be possible already, although I'm guessing that wouldn't be very 
usable.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Josh Luthman 
[j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 12:59 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Scrap the Unifi Phones - I want a signal readout on 
my watch

Can you configure or do anything with it at all?  Or is it a dumb device where 
you pair it and you're options are done with.


Josh Luthman
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On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Jason Pond 
p...@grizzlyinternet.commailto:p...@grizzlyinternet.com wrote:
I have the Samsung gear fit.

It is not the full blown watch.

Simple display connects via Bluetooth, shows clock, current temp / weather 
status as pulled from Accuweather app.

Shows number / name of who is calling or sent a text.

Can reply with pre-canned message via text.

Used for pedometer, hiking, biking, walking w/ gps track back to phone,

Meeting reminders, can show e-mails also ( I do not use this feature)

I have not played with any android programming these are the built in features.

I have not tried this with another phone but I think it might be Samsung 
proprietary.

Sincerely,

Jason Pond
Grizzly Internet, Inc

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Well first off the iPhone watch isn't even out and second of all I think 
Android is majority.  So Android first!!!

Does anyone have an Android watch at all?  Can you share some details about it 
(how it connects to the phone, what kind of API you get, what capabilities it 
has?)


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On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Matt Hoppes 
mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:
What about the iPhone watch?


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312

On 12/1/14, 1:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 First use I've found for an Android watch.



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 *From: *Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.commailto:st...@pcswin.com
 *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group 
 ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 12:07:20 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] Scrap the Unifi Phones - I want a signal
 readout on mywatch

 That is a fabulous idea.



 *Steven Barnes*

 GM

 PCSWIN.com

 Howard LLC.



 *From:*ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
 [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] 
 *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Monday, December 01, 2014 12:45 PM
 *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
 *Subject:* [Ubnt_users] Scrap the Unifi Phones - I want a signal readout
 on my watch



 Has anyone tried to get into this project?  I'd love to have an Android
 watch connected to my phone which would go to the backhaul or CPE for a
 signal readout to display on the watch.  Hopefully someone can make this
 as easy as buying a watch! =)



 Josh Luthman

Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

[Mathew Howard]

And that's the problem here... If they want to make a hosted thing with 
integrated billing that nobody seems to want, that's fine with me, but it isn't 
a replacement for airControl.

Just make something that the basic functions work on (with all devices) that's 
somewhat reliable and I think most of us would be perfectly happy... I don't 
even care about stuff like maps, it just needs to be able to do firmware 
upgrades, make configuration changes and monitor devices. It doesn't have to be 
all that complicated.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:21 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

With airCRM, airControl is dead.



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From: Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:20:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

I think I’d be happy if AirControl just supported all the hardware they sell 
and if the AirGateway firmware gets out of Beta before the Cubs win the World 
Series.

Rory

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:08 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

true... I don't care if it's there either, but if they for some reason think 
the billing stuff needs to be kept on their servers where it's safe from our 
meddling, I'd be perfectly happy if they just cut it all out and let us have 
the useful part.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:06 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
As long as they aren't dependent on each other (which I believe they already 
said), they don't have to remove billing. Keep it there for all I care, just 
let me install it locally.


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From: Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:03:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
It doesn't seem like it should be all that complicated to just remove the 
billing parts and let us have the rest to run on our own servers...

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:43 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
*nods* I'll gladly take airCRM and load it on my existing on-net server and 
just not use the billing aspect.


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From: Kees H wi...@calbroadband.com
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:41:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl


Don't get me wrong.  I would love it if the product works as advertised.  But 
as with the unifi software.  Allow me to load it on my server.  That is all I 
ask for.

- Original Message -
From: Daniel Peoplesmailto:dpe...@gmail.com
To: Ubiquiti Users Groupmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

Sorry, my brain works in mysterious ways(at least that's what my wife tells me).
What I'm trying to say is let them take a stab at this, and objectively judge 
the final product. They might accidentally get it right. At worst, when it 
comes out of beta and doesn't work, don't use

Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

[Mathew Howard]

You would definitely want it to be extendible for other types of equipment, and 
if you design it with that in mind, it really shouldn't be a problem... you 
want it to make sure it can be made to work with stuff that'll come out in the 
future anyway, even if you aren't interested in other vendors.

I built a relatively simple system for monitoring our CPEs years ago that has 
mostly done the job, but some bad design choices (mostly due to lack of 
PHP/webdesign skills...) make it unsuitable for everything.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 1:25 PM
To: ubnt_users@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

As long as it's something simple with a rudimentary API to build off of, I see 
no reason why multiple polling/control types couldn't be designed.

Select a subnet, select types of polling to perform (ubnt discovery, whatever 
cambium uses, etc), select admin/password for groups of devices, and add them 
to the database. Once in the database their is a int pollingFrequency = x; and 
str pollType = y; and str pollTemplate = z;, where pollType could be snmp, 
ssh, agent and pollTemplate could be ubnt,cambium-ePmP,mikrotik, etc.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com

On 12/02/2014 10:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
My thought is that as we grow, we'll have different types of equipment out 
there...  UBNT, MT, Cambium, Mimosa, Netonix, SAF, Exalt, servers, etc. In my 
36 hours of experience, it seems like that would be the platform to build off 
of.  *shrugs*



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From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com
To: ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 1:08:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

Via Adam?

Not likely.

I'm doing some work on making sure the new UBNT MIBs are clean and standards 
based. That may not be a required part of the puzzle though -- snmp is pretty 
slow. Aircontrol works by authenticating initially as admin, exchanging ssh 
keys, and then using the device itself to poll stats and send them upstream (I 
believe, it's been awhile since I've looked into this).

I know the proper commands to pull the stats we need for graphing and 
everything, and we know the ssh commands for upgrading and things like that.

Diagnosing the config isn't hard, although the order of the config is often 
jumbled from device to device and version to version -- but it's mostly the 
same.

Just need somebody who can create a basic webpage with auth, load up x devices 
per page, a basic search function, and some sorts for organizing CPEs per AP 
MAC.

Scheduling would be nice eventually.

This can't be that hard. I used to do stuff far more complicated than this, but 
I haven't done any webdesign/css/php since like '99.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com

On 12/02/2014 09:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Think we could get enough stuff into Observium? It already pulls OS\package 
versions. So it knows what's running on it. It supports external apps. Maybe we 
could get a firmware push system into it.

It has Rancid to pull configurations. Rancid can also push commands out to all 
of the devices. Setup a UBNT config file format for the pulling and setup  a 
method to push configurations back out?



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From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com
To: ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:45:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

looks like we're going to have to come up with a third party solution

this sucks

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com

On 12/02/2014 09:41 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
And that's the problem here... If they want to make a hosted thing with 
integrated billing that nobody seems

Re: [Ubnt_users] Watchdog

[Mathew Howard]

If we're talking about the ping watchdog, yeah... I'm pretty sure it's just a 
reboot.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 2:30 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Watchdog


So it's a software watchdog? :(

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 7, 2014 3:28 PM, Rory Conaway 
r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote:
Reboots.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 11:41 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: [Ubnt_users] Watchdog

Does the UBNT watchdog reboot or does it power cycle?

Trying to trigger a power cycle on something that's not dead, but weird.


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Re: [Ubnt_users] Old Rockets, weird problems

[Mathew Howard]

I wonder if there's some kind of a bug with entering the DFS code when it's in 
compliance mode.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 10:19 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Old Rockets, weird problems

On the lower versions mine does not have the checkbox. I assume that I already 
entered that DFS information long ago when I received it from UBNT



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From: Kees H wi...@calbroadband.com
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 10:17:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Old Rockets, weird problems


You must have already DFS enabled in that rocket.  Mike is talking about an 
older rocket before DFS was approved on the rockets.
I ran into the same issue trying to use the 5240.  I upgraded directly to 
5.5.10 and no DFS nor 5160-5240 was avalable.  I downgraded checked the uni box 
entered my codes and voila when I upgraded to 5.5.10 there was the 5160-5240. 
(eventhought those are not DFS :-)

- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthmanmailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: Ubiquiti Users Groupmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Old Rockets, weird problems


I just upgraded a pair of Rockets to 5.5.10 and was able to enable DFS.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Dec 7, 2014 8:11 PM, Jason Bailey 
j284...@yahoo.commailto:j284...@yahoo.com wrote:
Going back to 5.5.8 and clicking the uni-2 box on the system page will get you 
there.


On Sunday, December 7, 2014 8:08 PM, Kees H 
wi...@calbroadband.commailto:wi...@calbroadband.com wrote:


You have to downgrade the software ( I think it was 5.5.4 that had the DFS key) 
then enter the dfs key and then upgrade.
- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammettmailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net
To: Ubiquiti Users Groupmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Old Rockets, weird problems

I believe that has been done.

Definitely the reboot both sides.

The DFS checkbox\fields are definitely not there.



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From: Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 12:47:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Old Rockets, weird problems

Old rocket, plug in DFS credentials for your company, reboot BOTH SIDES.  BOTH.
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On Dec 7, 2014 1:45 PM, Mike Hammett 
wispaubntus...@ics-il.netmailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote:
I have some old Rockets (maybe 5.2.1 vintage?). I upgraded them as needed 
throughout the years. The past day or two, performance in on part of the 
network has been erratic to say the best of it.

I noticed that they were in Compliance Test mode, but didn't have the input 
boxes for the DFS stuff, so I must have entered it at one point, but never 
actually moved over. They were on 5.5.2.

Don't fuck with what works. Well, now it's not working right.

I upgrade to 5.5.4, then 5.5.10. I set the country code to US  no DFS 
channels show up on the AP.

Do I need to reboot it after setting it to US so that I can get the DFS 
channels?

A reset to defaults and starting over is kinda out of the question at the 
moment.

Any other ideas?

If I have to climb to replace radios, ePMPs are going up instead.





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Re: [Ubnt_users] Old Rockets, weird problems

[Mathew Howard]

I'm thinking more likely, after about the 5th flash, stuff will start going 
away again... until eventually the radio will just be completely disabled. :P


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 5:09 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Old Rockets, weird problems

Per Josh Reynolds's recommendation, I flashed 5.5.10 twice. That let me choose 
DFS channels. I flashed it a third time and it let me get 5150.The first and 
last config files are identical. The one in the middle is just reverse 
alphabetical order from the others.


If I just keep flashing can I get 4.9 and all the other bands? Maybe it becomes 
a 10GigE radio?



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From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 5:06:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Old Rockets, weird problems


That makes no sense, how would multiple identical writes get different results?

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Dec 8, 2014 6:02 PM, Mike Hammett 
wispaubntus...@ics-il.netmailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote:
UBNT: If at first first your firmware does not succeed, try, try, try, try, 
try, try, try again.


I had to flash 5.5.10 three times to get what I'm supposed to be getting. Well, 
that I'm aware of. If anything else is missing, I'll have to go again.  ;-)



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From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com
To: ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 4:37:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Old Rockets, weird problems

And you're on 5.5.10 after double-flashing, right?

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
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On 12/08/2014 01:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Nope, no DFS channels after setting US and picking a channel in 5.8.



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From: Mike Hammett 
wispaubntus...@ics-il.netmailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 10:52:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Old Rockets, weird problems

Thanks to Josh Reynolds:


XM.v5.5.6# cat /tmp/system.cfg | grep -i dfs
radio.1.dfs.status=enabled



So DFS is enabled. I noticed that the top of 5.8 is only around -80 noise, so 
maybe I can get a link after all.



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From: Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 10:25:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Old Rockets, weird problems

That's what I'm thinking


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On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Mathew Howard 
mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote:
I wonder if there's some kind of a bug with entering the DFS code when it's in 
compliance mode

Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

[Mathew Howard]

 We have a couple of links up... I haven't really seen any problems with them.

I think the NanoBeam AC might be new... at least I hadn't seen it before, but 
otherwise, no, nothing new.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 1:07 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

For those of you that have them...  are they working well?

Was there anything new in their announcement today? It didn't seem like it.



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Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

[Mathew Howard]

I'm pretty sure one of the last betas actually did add PtMP I wouldn't 
expect backwards compatibility any too soon though.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 1:19 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

No, but they're not PtMP yet either. Thus far only PtP.



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From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 1:18:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Any word about backwards compatibility with Airmax products?

Steven Barnes
GM
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Howard LLC.

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Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 2:08 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

For those of you that have them...  are they working well?

Was there anything new in their announcement today? It didn't seem like it.


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Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

[Mathew Howard]

ha... I just Rocket and PowerBeam and assumed they were the same ones. I guess 
I should actually read stuff. This is what happens when you don't make new 
stuff look different :p

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 1:22 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Oh, so the non-Lite Rocket. Sorry.

The e-mail didn't really make it clear that there were new things, just the 
same platform hype we had 14 months ago. I didn't read it all, just skimmed it 
because it didn't look any different.

Ohhh, so the PtMP works now with the new software?



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From: Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 1:20:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

The 3 new products announced today:

R5AC-PTP - Rocket w/AirPrism, PTP only
NBE-5AC-19 - 19dB NanoBeam
PBE-5AC-620 - 620mm PowerBeam

Also, all of the software updates:

http://www.ubnt.com/broadband/software/

Some highlights:

- Dedicated spectrum analysis (persistent)
- CINR (Carrier to Interference and Noise Ratio - accurate assessment of 
channel conditions
- New diagnostic tools (Ethernet Cabling test, RF Diagnostics, etc...)
- PTMP enabled on R5AC-LITE

The R5AC-PTMP (AirPrism AP) will be announced shortly.

Thanks,
Ben

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Mathew Howard 
mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote:
 We have a couple of links up... I haven't really seen any problems with them.

I think the NanoBeam AC might be new... at least I hadn't seen it before, but 
otherwise, no, nothing new.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.netmailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 1:07 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

For those of you that have them...  are they working well?

Was there anything new in their announcement today? It didn't seem like it.



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Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

[Mathew Howard]

Yes, the spectrum analyzer is quite nice... even if the only Rocket I have that 
it works on is sitting on my desk. :p

So is the only difference with this new Rocket AirPrism, or are there other  
changes as well?

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Ben Moore [ben.mo...@ubnt.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 1:27 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

;-)  I think you guys will really like the new SW tools being added (especially 
the persistent spectrum analyzer...lots that can be done with that).  Will send 
out some details shortly on PTMP networks in the wild ;)

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Mathew Howard 
mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote:
ha... I just Rocket and PowerBeam and assumed they were the same ones. I guess 
I should actually read stuff. This is what happens when you don't make new 
stuff look different :p

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.netmailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 1:22 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Oh, so the non-Lite Rocket. Sorry.

The e-mail didn't really make it clear that there were new things, just the 
same platform hype we had 14 months ago. I didn't read it all, just skimmed it 
because it didn't look any different.

Ohhh, so the PtMP works now with the new software?



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From: Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.commailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 1:20:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

The 3 new products announced today:

R5AC-PTP - Rocket w/AirPrism, PTP only
NBE-5AC-19 - 19dB NanoBeam
PBE-5AC-620 - 620mm PowerBeam

Also, all of the software updates:

http://www.ubnt.com/broadband/software/

Some highlights:

- Dedicated spectrum analysis (persistent)
- CINR (Carrier to Interference and Noise Ratio - accurate assessment of 
channel conditions
- New diagnostic tools (Ethernet Cabling test, RF Diagnostics, etc...)
- PTMP enabled on R5AC-LITE

The R5AC-PTMP (AirPrism AP) will be announced shortly.

Thanks,
Ben

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Mathew Howard 
mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote:
 We have a couple of links up... I haven't really seen any problems with them.

I think the NanoBeam AC might be new... at least I hadn't seen it before, but 
otherwise, no, nothing new.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.netmailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 1:07 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

For those of you that have them...  are they working well?

Was there anything new in their announcement today? It didn't seem like it.



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Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

[Mathew Howard]

Check the date code (the five characters printed on the label before the MAC), 
I think 1431G or newer will work... I verified it does work on 1431G, anyway.

If I understand correctly, the older Rockets will not support airview due to 
hardware changes.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Adair Winter [ada...@amarillowireless.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 1:57 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

So I bought some early rocket AC's to test with and never got them deployed due 
to the lack of airview. now I'm reading that my rockets might not support it at 
all due to a hardware change? or was it just software??... How can I verify 
this for sure? is there a particular series or something? Or do I just need to 
fire them up and see?

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Mathew Howard 
mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote:
Yes, the spectrum analyzer is quite nice... even if the only Rocket I have that 
it works on is sitting on my desk. :p

So is the only difference with this new Rocket AirPrism, or are there other  
changes as well?

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Ben Moore [ben.mo...@ubnt.commailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 1:27 PM

To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

;-)  I think you guys will really like the new SW tools being added (especially 
the persistent spectrum analyzer...lots that can be done with that).  Will send 
out some details shortly on PTMP networks in the wild ;)

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Mathew Howard 
mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote:
ha... I just Rocket and PowerBeam and assumed they were the same ones. I guess 
I should actually read stuff. This is what happens when you don't make new 
stuff look different :p

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.netmailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 1:22 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Oh, so the non-Lite Rocket. Sorry.

The e-mail didn't really make it clear that there were new things, just the 
same platform hype we had 14 months ago. I didn't read it all, just skimmed it 
because it didn't look any different.

Ohhh, so the PtMP works now with the new software?



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From: Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.commailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 1:20:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

The 3 new products announced today:

R5AC-PTP - Rocket w/AirPrism, PTP only
NBE-5AC-19 - 19dB NanoBeam
PBE-5AC-620 - 620mm PowerBeam

Also, all of the software updates:

http://www.ubnt.com/broadband/software/

Some highlights:

- Dedicated spectrum analysis (persistent)
- CINR (Carrier to Interference and Noise Ratio - accurate assessment of 
channel conditions
- New diagnostic tools (Ethernet Cabling test, RF Diagnostics, etc...)
- PTMP enabled on R5AC-LITE

The R5AC-PTMP (AirPrism AP) will be announced shortly.

Thanks,
Ben

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Mathew Howard 
mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote:
 We have a couple of links up... I haven't really seen any problems with them.

I think the NanoBeam AC might be new... at least I hadn't seen it before, but 
otherwise, no, nothing new.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.netmailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 1:07 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

For those of you that have them...  are they working well?

Was there anything new in their announcement today? It didn't seem like it.



-
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Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

[Mathew Howard]

Well, an NSM2 wouldn't since AC doesn't come in the M2 variety... but I assume 
you meant NSM5, which according to what been just said should work fine.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:07 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

So NSM2 and Nanobeam-400 will work with the new 802.11ac Rockets, correct?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Ben Moore 
ben.mo...@ubnt.commailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:
11n CPE's will have ability to work with 11AC AP's...This will allow you to 
transition a tower.  Note that 11ac speeds will not be as good as 100% AC 
network, but 11ac CPE's that you deploy will still be better than 11n.

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Mathew Howard 
mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote:
That's what I've been assuming too...

Ben, can you tell us whether it's going to be backwards compatibility added to 
the AC series, or forward compatibility added to the M series?


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.netmailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 2:36 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

I'm guessing it'll be like M series vs. legacy. Eventually V6 will be the 
M-series connection to the AC.   I'm guessing...



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From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.commailto:st...@pcswin.com
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 2:16:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Ben, I asked before but haven’t gotten word, can you speak to the Backwards 
compatibility of the new units?

Steven Barnes
GM
PCSWIN.com
Howard LLC.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Ben Moore
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:14 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Yes, difference is airprism...and the fact that this one is PTP locked (the 
lite will do both PTMP and PTP).

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Mathew Howard 
mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote:
Yes, the spectrum analyzer is quite nice... even if the only Rocket I have that 
it works on is sitting on my desk. :p

So is the only difference with this new Rocket AirPrism, or are there other  
changes as well?

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Ben Moore [ben.mo...@ubnt.commailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 1:27 PM

To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

;-)  I think you guys will really like the new SW tools being added (especially 
the persistent spectrum analyzer...lots that can be done with that).  Will send 
out some details shortly on PTMP networks in the wild ;)

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Mathew Howard 
mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote:
ha... I just Rocket and PowerBeam and assumed they were the same ones. I guess 
I should actually read stuff. This is what happens when you don't make new 
stuff look different :p

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.netmailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 1:22 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs
Oh, so the non-Lite Rocket. Sorry.

The e-mail didn't really make it clear that there were new things, just the 
same platform hype we had 14 months ago. I didn't read it all, just skimmed it 
because it didn't look any different.

Ohhh, so the PtMP works now with the new software?


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

[Mathew Howard]

Some of us need 2.4ghz... there's no way we could get to at least half our 
customers with 5ghz only...

AirPrism in 2.4ghz would be a nice start.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
j...@spitwspots.com [j...@spitwspots.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:24 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Ac is only designed around 5ghz.

What's it with you and 2ghz? :)

On December 9, 2014 1:15:29 PM AKST, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
wrote:
The ac stuff is 5 GHz only?

I'm still kind of cautious as the old NS didn't work too well on Airmax APs 
(RM2 for example).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Mathew Howard 
mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote:
Well, an NSM2 wouldn't since AC doesn't come in the M2 variety... but I assume 
you meant NSM5, which according to what been just said should work fine.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Josh Luthman 
[j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:07 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

So NSM2 and Nanobeam-400 will work with the new 802.11ac Rockets, correct?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Ben Moore 
ben.mo...@ubnt.commailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:
11n CPE's will have ability to work with 11AC AP's...This will allow you to 
transition a tower.  Note that 11ac speeds will not be as good as 100% AC 
network, but 11ac CPE's that you deploy will still be better than 11n.

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Mathew Howard 
mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote:
That's what I've been assuming too...

Ben, can you tell us whether it's going to be backwards compatibility added to 
the AC series, or forward compatibility added to the M series?


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.netmailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 2:36 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

I'm guessing it'll be like M series vs. legacy. Eventually V6 will be the 
M-series connection to the AC.   I'm guessing...



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From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.commailto:st...@pcswin.com
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 2:16:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Ben, I asked before but haven’t gotten word, can you speak to the Backwards 
compatibility of the new units?

Steven Barnes
GM
PCSWIN.com
Howard LLC.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Ben Moore
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:14 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Yes, difference is airprism...and the fact that this one is PTP locked (the 
lite will do both PTMP and PTP).

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Mathew Howard 
mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote:
Yes, the spectrum analyzer is quite nice... even if the only Rocket I have that 
it works on is sitting on my desk. :p

So is the only difference with this new Rocket AirPrism, or are there other  
changes as well?

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Ben Moore [ben.mo...@ubnt.commailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 1:27 PM

To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

;-)  I think you guys will really like the new SW tools being added (especially 
the persistent spectrum analyzer...lots that can be done with that).  Will send 
out some details shortly on PTMP networks in the wild ;)

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Mathew Howard 
mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote:
ha... I just Rocket and PowerBeam and assumed they were the same ones. I guess 
I should actually read

Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

[Mathew Howard]

I'm pretty sure that's what Robert said when they announced airprism.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 8:16 PM
To: ubnt_users@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Multi-lane-Rf != airprism?

I'm pretty sure I was told by people at Ubiquiti that it was the same thing, 
just kind of an Earlier Version type thing. Is that not correct?

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com

On 12/10/2014 05:08 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
No, that wasn't the hardware.

Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Chris Ruschmann 
ch...@scsalaska.netmailto:ch...@scsalaska.net wrote:
Didn't they already do this? I though the UAP Outdoor plus was the beta
hardware for this?

-Original Message-
From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Philip Dorr
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 2:44 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Are the 2.4Ghz AC going to be down converted 5.8Ghz radios, or is someone
developing a custom chip?

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Ben Moore 
ben.mo...@ubnt.commailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:
 They will be staggered...Many of the AC products are just being
 released...so it will be staggered.

 On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Rory Conaway
 r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net
 wrote:

 Ben, is that the same timeline as the rest of the Powerbeam/Nanobeam
 DFS like end of the first quarter of 2015?  I’m really trying to
 schedule stuff but this issue is hanging me up.



 rory



 From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
 [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 11:56 PM


 To: Ubiquiti Users Group
 Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs



 Ben Moore via wispa.orghttp://wispa.org

 3:17 PM (10 hours ago)



 We already have these in transit.  I would expect DFS to be available
 on these early next year.



 The NanoBeams do not have DFS yet...but they will.



 On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:12 AM, Rory Conaway
 r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net
 wrote:

 I might have missed this but does the AC product line support U-NII 1
 and DFS?



 Rory



 From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
 [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Ben Moore
 Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 5:42 PM
 To: Ubiquiti Users Group
 Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs



 Yeah, performance with AC is priority # 1.  You can see current
 performance with PTMP from Chuck's post.  Another should be posted
 shortly.



 There are some really cool enhancements/features with 7.1/AC.



 On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Kees H 
 wi...@calbroadband.commailto:wi...@calbroadband.com wrote:

 Some here, don't look back a new day is breakin'.

 I assume the backward compatibility will result in a performance hit.





 Thank you Ben!  I know a lot of people want backwards compatibility...
 but I for one want forwards movement!  Even if it ultimately means no
 backwards compatibility.

 On 12/9/14, 3:21 PM, Ben Moore wrote:
  Backwards compatibility is planned, but will be some time before
  being implemented (will ask team for update on timeline).  There
  are a lot of features/products that will go into AC prior to adding
  backwards compatibility (making sure these are solid first before
  adding more variables).
 
  On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Steve Barnes 
  st...@pcswin.commailto:st...@pcswin.com
  mailto:st...@pcswin.commailto:st...@pcswin.com wrote:
 
  Ben, I asked before but haven’t gotten word, can you speak to the
  Backwards compatibility of the new units?
 
  __ __
 
  *Steven Barnes*
 
  GM
 
  PCSWIN.com
 
  Howard LLC.
 
  __ __
 
  
  *From:*ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
  
  mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
  
  [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
  
  mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org]
   *On Behalf Of *Ben Moore
  *Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:14 PM
 
 
  *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
  *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs
 
  __ __
 
  Yes, difference is airprism...and the fact that this one is PTP
  locked (the lite will do both PTMP and PTP).
 
  __ __
 
  On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Mathew Howard 
  mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net
  mailto:mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote:
 
  Yes, the spectrum analyzer is quite nice... even

Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

[Mathew Howard]

I thought AC chipsets were 5ghz only... is that not that case?


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:49 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Use a channel size appropriate for the environment?



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From: ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:42:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

And please tell me how 2.4 AC can work in the limited spectrum without wiping 
out/degrading things for other users. Or do we just not care about others any 
more?

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Ben Moore
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:31 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Also in the works, but 5GHz is highest priority out of gate...

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Steve Barnes 
st...@pcswin.commailto:st...@pcswin.com wrote:
+1000

Steve Barnes
PCSWIN.com

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 5:27 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Some of us need 2.4ghz... there's no way we could get to at least half our 
customers with 5ghz only...

AirPrism in 2.4ghz would be a nice start.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com 
[j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:24 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs
Ac is only designed around 5ghz.

What's it with you and 2ghz? :)
On December 9, 2014 1:15:29 PM AKST, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
The ac stuff is 5 GHz only?

I'm still kind of cautious as the old NS didn't work too well on Airmax APs 
(RM2 for example).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Mathew Howard 
mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote:
Well, an NSM2 wouldn't since AC doesn't come in the M2 variety... but I assume 
you meant NSM5, which according to what been just said should work fine.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Josh Luthman 
[j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:07 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs
So NSM2 and Nanobeam-400 will work with the new 802.11ac Rockets, correct?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Ben Moore 
ben.mo...@ubnt.commailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:
11n CPE's will have ability to work with 11AC AP's...This will allow you to 
transition a tower.  Note that 11ac speeds will not be as good as 100% AC 
network, but 11ac CPE's that you deploy will still be better than 11n.

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Mathew Howard 
mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote:
That's what I've been assuming too...

Ben, can you tell us whether it's going to be backwards compatibility added to 
the AC series, or forward compatibility added to the M series?

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.netmailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 2:36 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs
I'm guessing it'll be like M series vs. legacy. Eventually V6 will be the 
M-series connection to the AC.   I'm guessing...


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

[Mathew Howard]

So basically, the AC standard doesn't support anything beyond N in 2.4ghz, but 
there are chipsets out there that added the useful stuff anyway... that makes 
sense.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:34 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

A.1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac#ref_24GHz11n1 802.11ac only 
specifies operation in the 5 GHz band. Operation in the 2.4 GHz band is 
specified by 802.11n.
B.1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac#ref_24GHz256QAM1 
2http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac#ref_24GHz256QAM2 
3http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac#ref_24GHz256QAM3 With 802.11n, 
600 Mbit/s in the 2.4 GHz band can be achieved by using four spatial streams at 
150 Mbit/s each. As of September 2014, commercially available devices that 
achieve 600 Mbit/s in the 2.4 GHz band use 3 spatial streams at 200 Mbit/s 
each.[8]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac#cite_note-ac2350-8[9]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac#cite_note-ac1900-9
 This requires the use of 256-QAM modulation, which is not compliant with 
802.11n and can be considered a proprietary 
extension.[9]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac#cite_note-ac1900-9



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From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:19:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Maybe during initial production, but the ac protocol covers the 2.4 band.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Mathew Howard 
mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote:
I thought AC chipsets were 5ghz only... is that not that case?


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.netmailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:49 AM

To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Use a channel size appropriate for the environment?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: ralph ralphli...@bsrg.orgmailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:42:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

And please tell me how 2.4 AC can work in the limited spectrum without wiping 
out/degrading things for other users. Or do we just not care about others any 
more?

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Ben Moore
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:31 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Also in the works, but 5GHz is highest priority out of gate...

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Steve Barnes 
st...@pcswin.commailto:st...@pcswin.com wrote:
+1000

Steve Barnes
PCSWIN.com

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 5:27 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs

Some of us need 2.4ghz... there's no way we could get to at least half our 
customers with 5ghz only...

AirPrism in 2.4ghz would be a nice start.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com 
[j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:24 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs
Ac is only designed around 5ghz.

What's it with you and 2ghz? :)
On December 9

Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

[Mathew Howard]

I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point...

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM
To: ubnt_users@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80 and 
160MHz wide channels.

3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com

On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:

Would solve some BH issues.



Thanks.










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Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

[Mathew Howard]

With a pair of 20mhz channels (or even a 10 and a 20), it would certainly be 
worthwhile... with 3550-3650 it would definitely make sense.

If I remember correctly, PTP450 in 3.65 is pretty close to the same price as 
AF5... maybe a bit less. I think they claim something like 125Mbps... so yeah, 
airfiber would probably perform better, even if it was limited to half duplex.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:21 PM
To: ubnt_users@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

It's possible they could get AF certified in a pair of 20mhz channels and 
1024QAM. That should do ~250Mbps FD. I would expect between $2000-$3000 per 
link.

What does a PTP450 in 3.65 run price wise? Performance?

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com

On 12/16/2014 05:09 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Actually, now that I think about it, full duplex probably wouldn't be possible 
in 3.65... which makes airfiber a whole lot less interesting - I'm not sure it 
would realistically be able to do anything that can't be done now with a 3.65 
PTP450.

I'm guessing they are waiting to see what happens with the 3.65 rules... I 
they'll 3550-3650 if it gets opened up, and I can't see their current products 
being made to work with the new rules.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:44 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

A 10Mhz wide AF5 can do ~190Mbps HD @ 8 miles in 256QAM. If they push that up 
to 1024QAM it'd look at a lot better.

If I were Ubiquiti, I'd wait to see how the potential 3.65 rules play out first.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
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On 12/16/2014 04:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

With all 25 MHz?  I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of
spectrum :/

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On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, Mathew Howard 
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 wrote:



 I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point...
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*Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios

  AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80
and 160MHz wide channels.

3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz.

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On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:

Would solve some BH issues.



Thanks.









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Re: [Ubnt_users] [WISPA Members] What in the world could be causing this?

[Mathew Howard]

What he's describing is exactly what it looks like when you get water in a 
cable though, pins 4/5 almost always appear burnt. It can happen with any kind 
of cable if it gets nicked or sliced... although, I guess it shouldn't happen 
with gel filled...


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 10:32 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group; TJ Trout
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] [WISPA Members] What in the world could be causing 
this?

There isn't a gel filled toughcable and he's said it happened on multiple cable 
types...

On December 21, 2014 7:30:17 PM AKST, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

Tough cable?

On Dec 21, 2014 8:03 PM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

Blue is hot...

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On Dec 21, 2014 10:52 PM, Mike Lyon 
mike.l...@gmail.commailto:mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:

And it seems to burn on the same pins / pair every time. Blue, blue/white and 
green.

-Mike

On Dec 21, 2014 7:42 PM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

Small slice or nick in the cable.

Josh Luthman
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On Dec 21, 2014 10:39 PM, Mike Lyon 
mike.l...@gmail.commailto:mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:

We've had a couple rainstorms out here in Califirnia. Nothing too bad. A little 
windy...

But anyways, i have come across about 6 customers who have a fried/burnt cat5e 
connector that is plugged into the PoE port of the UBNT injector. Has happened 
on cabling with and without the ESD drain wire, has happened both on gel-filled 
and non gel-filled cable, Has happened while plugged directly in wall power and 
on surge protectors. Has happened on Rockets and Nanostations. However, all 
were using the UBNT 24VDC/1A PoE injectors.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Mike

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Re: [Ubnt_users] [WISPA Members] What in the world could be causing this?

[Mathew Howard]

I've only worked with gel filled cable a couple times... dealing with the mess 
didn't seem worth it, if it doesn't even work, it certainly isn't worth it.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 11:26 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] [WISPA Members] What in the world could be causing 
this?


Yup.  That gel stuff is a damn joke.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Dec 22, 2014 12:03 AM, Chris Soiles 
csoi...@riocities.netmailto:csoi...@riocities.net wrote:
It absolutely happens with gel filled
I think the gel keeps the water in
Then gravity does its thing

Sent from iPhone 5S

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On Dec 21, 2014, at 10:01 PM, Mathew Howard 
mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote:

What he's describing is exactly what it looks like when you get water in a 
cable though, pins 4/5 almost always appear burnt. It can happen with any kind 
of cable if it gets nicked or sliced... although, I guess it shouldn't happen 
with gel filled...


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 10:32 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group; TJ Trout
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] [WISPA Members] What in the world could be causing 
this?

There isn't a gel filled toughcable and he's said it happened on multiple cable 
types...

On December 21, 2014 7:30:17 PM AKST, TJ Trout 
t...@voltbb.commailto:t...@voltbb.com wrote:

Tough cable?

On Dec 21, 2014 8:03 PM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

Blue is hot...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 21, 2014 10:52 PM, Mike Lyon 
mike.l...@gmail.commailto:mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:

And it seems to burn on the same pins / pair every time. Blue, blue/white and 
green.

-Mike

On Dec 21, 2014 7:42 PM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

Small slice or nick in the cable.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 21, 2014 10:39 PM, Mike Lyon 
mike.l...@gmail.commailto:mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:

We've had a couple rainstorms out here in Califirnia. Nothing too bad. A little 
windy...

But anyways, i have come across about 6 customers who have a fried/burnt cat5e 
connector that is plugged into the PoE port of the UBNT injector. Has happened 
on cabling with and without the ESD drain wire, has happened both on gel-filled 
and non gel-filled cable, Has happened while plugged directly in wall power and 
on surge protectors. Has happened on Rockets and Nanostations. However, all 
were using the UBNT 24VDC/1A PoE injectors.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Mike

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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5

[Mathew Howard]

AF5 has been DFS approved since it first shipped. however, it will only go down 
to 5.4ghz due to hardware (filter/antenna) limitations, so 5.2ghz won't be 
happening on the current hardware.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Chris Soiles [csoi...@riocities.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:17 PM
To: Ubiquiti Group
Subject: [Ubnt_users] AF5

If and When they get DFS approved, will the new channels just work?

Haven't bought any yet, but this could sway me to buy now vs wait

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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5

[Mathew Howard]

Correct. I haven't heard if anything is in the works or not.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Chris Soiles [csoi...@riocities.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:44 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5

So 5.2 won't work? New hardware release needed?

Sent from my iPad

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On Jan 3, 2015, at 6:30 PM, Mathew Howard 
mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote:

AF5 has been DFS approved since it first shipped. however, it will only go down 
to 5.4ghz due to hardware (filter/antenna) limitations, so 5.2ghz won't be 
happening on the current hardware.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Chris Soiles [csoi...@riocities.netmailto:csoi...@riocities.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:17 PM
To: Ubiquiti Group
Subject: [Ubnt_users] AF5

If and When they get DFS approved, will the new channels just work?

Haven't bought any yet, but this could sway me to buy now vs wait

Chris Soiles
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Re: [Ubnt_users] airfiber 3

[Mathew Howard]

I'm not sure you'll get 300 meg out of it, but it's probably going to work 
better than 2.4ghz... unless 2.4 happens to be pretty clean in the area (and 
you aren't using it for anything else). our AF3x link is doing a little under 
300 meg (210 down/66 up, at the moment) with a -59, so you might get close... 
it's hard to say how much signal you're going to lose going with 3.65 over 2.4.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
CBB - Jay Fuller [par...@cyberbroadband.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 8:41 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: [Ubnt_users] airfiber 3


Anyone using this?  Looking to go about a mile through light trees.  Maybe a 
mile and a half.
I know I was able to get upper 50s on 2.4 signal on a previous installation.

I'd like to get the 300 meg.  I need as much bandwidth as possible.

Any reports would be fantastic.

2.4 is an option too if I must...


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Re: [Ubnt_users] airfiber 3

[Mathew Howard]

I haven't done any AF2x links, but you should be able to do 8x with that kind 
of signal, depending on the noise.

But... what Josh said. I would expect 2.4ghz to be pretty much useless for any 
other purpose once you put up an AF2x.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
CBB - Jay Fuller [par...@cyberbroadband.net]
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 12:55 PM
To: Salvador Bertenbreiter; Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] airfiber 3


there is 2.4 in the area but probably mid to low 70s.  i know we could get 
signal in at about -52
but then what modulation could we achieve?  I am quite certain there is no 3.65


- Original Message -
From: Salvador Bertenbreiter via Ubnt_users
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] airfiber 3

Hi Jay,
If you have an airMax M2 device you can run airView and check how clean is 
2.4GHz, if there's spectrum available I would definitely go with the AF 2X

Thanks,

Salvador

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:41 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:

Anyone using this?  Looking to go about a mile through light trees.  Maybe a 
mile and a half.
I know I was able to get upper 50s on 2.4 signal on a previous installation.

I'd like to get the 300 meg.  I need as much bandwidth as possible.

Any reports would be fantastic.

2.4 is an option too if I must...



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Re: [Ubnt_users] Airfiber power draw on Netonix switch

[Mathew Howard]

But... if an AF5x actually is drawing that much power, there's probably 
something wrong with it - I haven't ever seen one draw over 10 watts.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Matt Hoppes [mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 7:41 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Airfiber power draw on Netonix switch

Then you're on the wrong port or using the wrong switch for the job. You're 
over driving the port.

> On Jul 25, 2016, at 08:22, Jerry Head  wrote:
>
> 24v. I don't see the option for 24vh
>
>> On 7/24/2016 8:57 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> Are you running it at:
>> 24V
>> 24VH
>> 48V
>> Or
>> 48VH?
>>
>> Which netonix model?  Which port number?
>>
>>> On Jul 24, 2016, at 21:26, Jerry Head  wrote:
>>>
>>> So I have been looking at a new AF5x connection on a Netonix switch. The
>>> Netonix is providing power. I see the AF5x power draw jump up to around
>>> 19.2 watts periodically, it seems the Netonix only goes up to 18 watts.
>>> What is the deal here? Is the AF5x under powered now? Is it affecting
>>> performance? Is the Netonix confused?
>>> What? Opinions are welcome.
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Re: [Ubnt_users] Config file restore

[Mathew Howard]

I've never run into any problems either... you might find a few settings that 
you'll want to fix after the restore (like the antenna size), but I haven't 
ever run into anything that causes any real problems.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Chris Soiles [csoi...@riocities.net]
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 5:50 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Config file restore

I have never had issues between models

Sent from iPhone 6S Plus

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On Aug 12, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Nick Bright 
> wrote:

Are there any issues with restoring a configuration file between models
of device?

For example, a backup created from an NanoStationM2 being restored to a
PowerBeam M2-400?

The only differences I see in the config file that I'm concerned about
are the antenna setting value.

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Re: [Ubnt_users] More AF5x woes

[Mathew Howard]

We had a similar issue... I believe it was water in one of the antenna 
connectors, but we eventually ended up replacing everything.

What kind of dish are you using?


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 12:03 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] More AF5x woes


They parallel each other, both sides have the same signals (from 60,85 to 
60,68).

Josh Luthman
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On Aug 8, 2016 12:55 PM, "Steve Barnes" 
> wrote:
Yeah switch to a new AF5x and all new jumpers.  If it does not go away consider 
new dish.  Are both ends that far off.

Steve Barnes
Wireless Operations Manager
PCSWIN.COM
NLBC.COM

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 12:50 PM
To: Matt Hardy >; Ubiquiti Users Group 
>
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] More AF5x woes

Haven't tried really anything yet.  We'll be swapping the radio and jumpers 
entirely first (of course pending what's discussed here) followed by the old 
dish here.


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On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Matt Hardy via Ubnt_users 
> wrote:
Have you tried completely changing the pigtails? Maybe it's a bad pigtail, 
especially if the bad chain follows when you change the pigtail to the other 
port?

-Matt

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 10:07 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
I'm working back on this link again and I'm wondering if there isn't a hardware 
issue.  Just wanted to bounce some thoughts.

We put up the link with two  2' dishes.  After aligning both sides we get 60/85 
ch0/ch1 (note it's exactly 25dbm off).  On Friday we changed ch0 to ch1 to 
verify the issue would follow suit, it did.  I emailed in on Friday ~2pm and 
left it alone.

Between Saturday 22:00 and Sunday 22:00 the weak chain steadily climbed up to 
-68.  I'm wondering if there isn't water in the dish/jumpers we can't see 
externally.  Or the AF5x needed burnt in/is broken in some way.

The link in parallel (Rocket M5) hasn't had more than a 2db swing in 30 days, I 
don't believe it would be an atmosphere or path issue.

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Re: [Ubnt_users] More AF5x woes

[Mathew Howard]

Interesting... that's the same thing we were using. The first two times it 
happened on our link, we fixed it by replacing the jumpers, but it seemed to be 
water leaking into the vertical N connector, the third time we just got sick of 
it and replaced the whole works with a UBNT antenna, so I'm not completely sure 
that it was the same again. That N connector seems to be very difficult to seal 
decently on those antennas.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 12:44 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] More AF5x woes


Arc 2 foot

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Aug 8, 2016 1:40 PM, "Mathew Howard" 
<mat...@litewire.net<mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> wrote:
We had a similar issue... I believe it was water in one of the antenna 
connectors, but we eventually ended up replacing everything.

What kind of dish are you using?


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] on behalf 
of Josh Luthman 
[j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>]
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 12:03 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] More AF5x woes


They parallel each other, both sides have the same signals (from 60,85 to 
60,68).

Josh Luthman
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On Aug 8, 2016 12:55 PM, "Steve Barnes" 
<st...@pcswin.com<mailto:st...@pcswin.com>> wrote:
Yeah switch to a new AF5x and all new jumpers.  If it does not go away consider 
new dish.  Are both ends that far off.

Steve Barnes
Wireless Operations Manager
PCSWIN.COM<http://PCSWIN.COM>
NLBC.COM<http://NLBC.COM>

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 12:50 PM
To: Matt Hardy <m...@ubnt.com<mailto:m...@ubnt.com>>; Ubiquiti Users Group 
<ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] More AF5x woes

Haven't tried really anything yet.  We'll be swapping the radio and jumpers 
entirely first (of course pending what's discussed here) followed by the old 
dish here.


Josh Luthman
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On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Matt Hardy via Ubnt_users 
<ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org>> wrote:
Have you tried completely changing the pigtails? Maybe it's a bad pigtail, 
especially if the bad chain follows when you change the pigtail to the other 
port?

-Matt

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 10:07 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
I'm working back on this link again and I'm wondering if there isn't a hardware 
issue.  Just wanted to bounce some thoughts.

We put up the link with two  2' dishes.  After aligning both sides we get 60/85 
ch0/ch1 (note it's exactly 25dbm off).  On Friday we changed ch0 to ch1 to 
verify the issue would follow suit, it did.  I emailed in on Friday ~2pm and 
left it alone.

Between Saturday 22:00 and Sunday 22:00 the weak chain steadily climbed up to 
-68.  I'm wondering if there isn't water in the dish/jumpers we can't see 
externally.  Or the AF5x needed burnt in/is broken in some way.

The link in parallel (Rocket M5) hasn't had more than a 2db swing in 30 days, I 
don't believe it would be an atmosphere or path issue.

Josh Luthman
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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5x GPS Antenna

[Mathew Howard]

but the epmp ones do work... probably doesn't help much though.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 4:39 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5x GPS Antenna

I know the rocket ones don't work...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 27, 2017 5:30 PM, "Keith Yoder" 
> wrote:
Would something like this work?

https://www.adafruit.com/products/960?gclid=CNuIr9ipsdICFY61wAodel0ISw



On Feb 27, 2017 17:25, "Mark Montgomery" 
> wrote:
Does anyone have a GPS antenna for an AF5x they are willing to sell?

We have a tower site that has an AirFiber 5x link on it. This same tower has a 
buzzard problem. The birds have pecked apart two GPS antennas for the AirFiber 
5x on the tower. The first time this happened I used the GPS antenna we had as 
a spare AF5x we had in stock.

I checked with Ubiquiti support, at present they do not sell spare parts. They 
are going to sell them in several months...

I also learned on the Ubiquiti Networks Community Forum, Titanium Rocket GPS 
antennas will work in place. Does anyone have a couple of these GPS antennas 
they are willing to part with?


Thanks,

Mark Montgomery
Owner
Net-Change.Com
252-482-7683




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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5x GPS Antenna

[Mathew Howard]

or run it on sync over power... you do need to have an epmp AP to steal it off 
though.

I did it once when I was replacing a rocket with an AF5x... got to the top of 
the tower and realized I left the GPS antenna sitting on my desk, so I borrowed 
the GPS antenna off an ePMP AP that was on the same tower, and it seemed to 
work fine (might even still be that way). I figured I could get by without GPS 
on the ePMP for awhile, since it was the only AP on that tower, but it turned 
out that the ePMP GPS worked good enough without the antenna in that particular 
location anyway.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 7:27 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5x GPS Antenna

Uh ya, steal one off a Lite AP.  Make that one a backhaul.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 27, 2017 8:26 PM, "Mathew Howard" 
<mat...@litewire.net<mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> wrote:
but the epmp ones do work... probably doesn't help much though.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] on behalf 
of Josh Luthman 
[j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>]
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 4:39 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5x GPS Antenna

I know the rocket ones don't work...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:(937)%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:(937)%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 27, 2017 5:30 PM, "Keith Yoder" 
<yo...@tessi.com.br<mailto:yo...@tessi.com.br>> wrote:
Would something like this work?

https://www.adafruit.com/products/960?gclid=CNuIr9ipsdICFY61wAodel0ISw



On Feb 27, 2017 17:25, "Mark Montgomery" 
<m...@net-change.com<mailto:m...@net-change.com>> wrote:
Does anyone have a GPS antenna for an AF5x they are willing to sell?

We have a tower site that has an AirFiber 5x link on it. This same tower has a 
buzzard problem. The birds have pecked apart two GPS antennas for the AirFiber 
5x on the tower. The first time this happened I used the GPS antenna we had as 
a spare AF5x we had in stock.

I checked with Ubiquiti support, at present they do not sell spare parts. They 
are going to sell them in several months...

I also learned on the Ubiquiti Networks Community Forum, Titanium Rocket GPS 
antennas will work in place. Does anyone have a couple of these GPS antennas 
they are willing to part with?


Thanks,

Mark Montgomery
Owner
Net-Change.Com
252-482-7683




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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5x GPS Antenna

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, apparently they have an internal GPS antenna. I wouldn't run one that way 
on purpose, but it does work as long as the signal is good enough.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 8:04 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5x GPS Antenna

Epmp is getting GPS without the antenna?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
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On Feb 27, 2017 8:37 PM, "Mathew Howard" 
<mat...@litewire.net<mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> wrote:
or run it on sync over power... you do need to have an epmp AP to steal it off 
though.

I did it once when I was replacing a rocket with an AF5x... got to the top of 
the tower and realized I left the GPS antenna sitting on my desk, so I borrowed 
the GPS antenna off an ePMP AP that was on the same tower, and it seemed to 
work fine (might even still be that way). I figured I could get by without GPS 
on the ePMP for awhile, since it was the only AP on that tower, but it turned 
out that the ePMP GPS worked good enough without the antenna in that particular 
location anyway.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] on behalf 
of Josh Luthman 
[j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>]
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 7:27 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5x GPS Antenna

Uh ya, steal one off a Lite AP.  Make that one a backhaul.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:(937)%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:(937)%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 27, 2017 8:26 PM, "Mathew Howard" 
<mat...@litewire.net<mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> wrote:
but the epmp ones do work... probably doesn't help much though.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] on behalf 
of Josh Luthman 
[j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>]
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 4:39 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5x GPS Antenna

I know the rocket ones don't work...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:(937)%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:(937)%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 27, 2017 5:30 PM, "Keith Yoder" 
<yo...@tessi.com.br<mailto:yo...@tessi.com.br>> wrote:
Would something like this work?

https://www.adafruit.com/products/960?gclid=CNuIr9ipsdICFY61wAodel0ISw



On Feb 27, 2017 17:25, "Mark Montgomery" 
<m...@net-change.com<mailto:m...@net-change.com>> wrote:
Does anyone have a GPS antenna for an AF5x they are willing to sell?

We have a tower site that has an AirFiber 5x link on it. This same tower has a 
buzzard problem. The birds have pecked apart two GPS antennas for the AirFiber 
5x on the tower. The first time this happened I used the GPS antenna we had as 
a spare AF5x we had in stock.

I checked with Ubiquiti support, at present they do not sell spare parts. They 
are going to sell them in several months...

I also learned on the Ubiquiti Networks Community Forum, Titanium Rocket GPS 
antennas will work in place. Does anyone have a couple of these GPS antennas 
they are willing to part with?


Thanks,

Mark Montgomery
Owner
Net-Change.Com
252-482-7683




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Re: [Ubnt_users] Bad Omni???

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah... I would replace it. You might be able to just take it apart and re-glue 
everything, but it's probably really not worth while.

I only remember having a similar failure on one, which also had the top cap 
come off - which I think is what caused the glue to fail, since the drain holes 
plugged up and it had a lot of water sitting in it. We haven't been using UBNT 
omnis for the last few years anyway, because there are cheaper alternatives 
that seem to be higher quality.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 8:17 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Bad Omni???

If a rain effects things like that in 2 GHz it's well past time to replace that 
thing.


Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 9:15 PM, Jonathan Taylor 
> wrote:
Yea it is around 3-4  years old now I investigated since it seemed to take 
longer than usual for my customer signals to recover after a good rain like 
a day or so.

Jonathan Taylor
WiSouth Networks, LLC
jtay...@wisouth.net
(334) 595-9521

On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 7:50 PM, Chris Fabien 
> wrote:

I just took one of these apart like this. I suspected a problem but ours was 
still operating fine. Some of the screws in the base had worked loose. The 
elements are fed by short pieces of coax so the movement does not mean a broken 
circuit board or connector or something.

The faulire mode we typically have seen on these omnis is glue failure on the 
cap, cap blows off and water gets into the antenna. It can drain out the bottom 
but over time will corrode the elements and affect performance.

With the price of these, i wpuld probably just replace it... its probably 
several years old now right?

On Sep 4, 2016 8:34 PM, "Jonathan Taylor" 
> wrote:
My AMO-2G13 wobles back and fourth at least an inch or two i can't pull up 
on it any but i can push it side to side.  Should it do this?  I don't recall 
it doing that when i installed it.
And yes the mount does not move... it is the radome section that moves.  
Normally i would look at air control for history to see if the signal and ccq 
has gotten worse but my last AC2 update was botched a couple months ago and all 
my history is gone.



Jonathan Taylor
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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.

[Mathew Howard]

>From what I understand, they do function the same as normal full duplex 
>high/low radios, but they have  a adjustable diplexer so the same radio can 
>function as a high or low - but they do not appear to be capable of running in 
>half duplex mode and transmitting and receiving on the same channel at the 
>same time (like the other airFiber radios do, or a B11), thus no need for sync.
 

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Faisal Imtiaz [fai...@snappytelecom.net]
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 8:10 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.

I was hoping to get an official answer, than trying to speculate.

Hopefully Alex from Ubiquiti will chime in.

I do have a few more questions, it is hard to extrapolate the answers from the 
murky forums.

1) Are these High/Low radios ? or will they use both for tx & rx as needed.

2) The radios are using both polarities on both channels (MIMO / XPIC), can 
they be configured to work as SISO ? i.e. just use one polarity based on 
channel availability ?


Thank.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Jon Langeler" 
> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" 
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:37:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.

> The good news is these appear to be high/low radios. Your essentially getting 
> an
> XPIC radio setup for the price of what would normally cost $18k. The 
> limitation
> is 56MHz channels. But even if only 40MHz, dual polarity yields a LOT.
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> Direct 616.350.8080
>
>> On Sep 15, 2016, at 10:45 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
>>
>> Yes, Seth.
>>
>> But these are not "High / Low" radios...
>> They use both channels for TX & RX ... Please correct me if I am wrong.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Seth Mattinen" 
>>> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" 
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 1:15:32 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.
>>
 On 9/15/16 10:08, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
 1) Are the AF11x going to have 'sync' capability so that the channel
 freq can be reused by another AF11x pointing in a different direction ?
>>>
>>>
>>> That's not really a problem with high/low microwave. I don't know where
>>> people are getting the idea that it is or suddenly sync is needed, it's not.
>>>
>>> Daniel said it better:
>>>
>>> http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/2015-October/034385.html
>>>
>>> ~Seth
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Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp

[Mathew Howard]

I haven't tried using the ubnt speed test in years, but I always considered it 
to be pretty much worthless. Perhaps it's better than it used to be, I don't 
know.

I think 10Mbps is probably pushing it a bit. With clean channels and 20mhz 
channels, I wouldn't think twice about selling 10 meg service on UBNT M gear, 
but on 10mhz channels everything has to be almost perfect to get that kind of 
speeds or a few heavy users with less than perfect connections can kill it... 
and around here, 2.4ghz is just too noisy these days.

I wouldn't do that high of speeds on 2.4ghz around here, but given the right 
conditions, it's certainly possible.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
ty...@wigi.us [ty...@wigi.us]
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 11:20 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp

Im no expert on the matter so probably shouldnt chime inBut, Ive 
never gone off of what a ubnt speed test shows, always considered not very 
accurate.  Ive put cheaper mikrotiks at my problem childs house (customers who 
complain) before and tested connections that way though cause mikrotiks use 
iperf which in my experience is more accurate.  That being said I personally 
like to go to the customers house having the problem and take their que out to 
see what kind of speed they are capable of not metered.  Also as stated earlier 
95% of the time when a whole AP isnt performing up to par doing an airview and 
picking a cleaner channel or swapping channels has resolved most of our issues. 
 Especially on 2.4  I wish all of our stuff was 5.8 not half the problems with 
interference or performance.

- Original Message -
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp
From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
Date: 1/5/17 12:03 pm
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" 


Ok - I appreciate your opinion.  I did provide my bandwidth graphs - they are 
no where near 40-50 meg - although I am using 10 mhz channels, so i am assuming 
I could expect 25 meg or so.  In theory, no one is goin to be maxxing out their 
connection.  They may have 10 meg available to them but they're going to be 
using 4 meg.  Sometimes 6 if they're streaming more than one tv.  Lets say 6 of 
the 14 are streaming - that is 24 meg - and the usage graph does not show 
they're getting there.

Let me ask this in a different way.  During "peak" times - lets say 9 pm at 
night - should the ubnt speed test to the customer in duplex mode be more or 
less accurate?

Thanks :)


- Original Message -
From: Tim Kerns
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp

In my opinion, anyone  that is selling 10 meg packages on UBNT AP’s (except 5 
gig AC’s) is pushing it.

In a point to point I can get 100 meg between the 2 radios. In a Multipoint 
environment, the best you will see is 40-50 megs aggregate (using 20 meg 
channels) for the AP.
So how many 10 meg customers can you put on it? and if the ones on there are 
streaming video, and HD Net flick @ 6 megs.

I just love the WISP selling 40 megs to customers using UBNT gear and then 
expect to get 10-20 clients on it.

Also, remember the Rocket M’s have 100 meg Ethernet and it won’t pass more 
than 100 megs.

From: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 8:17 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp


will play with 5.6.9 later today - anyone else able to comment on this?
back to the initial question - am i trying too hard with 10 meg packages on 2.4 
rockets with these numbers?
should the radios be able to do that?
do i need to go post in ubnt forums? :)

maybe i will lol


- Original Message -
From: RickG
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp

Yes and the time frame matches the 5.6.x FW suspicion. It comes & goes and so 
far I have not been able to pinpoint it.

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 11:44 PM, Ken Patrick  wrote:
Jay,

We get these complaints from customers and I have always ignored it as long as 
everything looks fine from our end.
But this has increased significantly since the Virus and 5.6.x firmware and I 
think we need to critically look at it and not dismiss it. There is no way a 
ton of customers can be hallucinating at the same time

The complaints are usually in the form of its slow or  the internet goes off 
and on especially if you are on the DFS band.

Is anyone else experiencing this kinds of complaints ??


Regards


On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 4:45 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:

oh, if you're wondering, management downgraded him to our lowest package 

Re: [Ubnt_users] Airfiber 5x power consumption

[Mathew Howard]

I've measured similar power consumption... the spec sheet is definitely on the 
high side. I usually figure 8 watts for planning purposes, but I haven't ever 
seen them actually draw that much. According to ubiquiti, the input voltage is 
19v to 53v now, but I don't think they are 802.3af compliant.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 2:46 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Airfiber 5x power consumption

Power consumption

Wall is 123vac. Amp meter says 0.07a. 8.61 watts. This is the factory POE.
POE spits out 24vdc. Amp meter said 0.23a. 5.52 watts.
I waited ~10 minutes after it booted to look. They were definitely associated. 
It's running 33dBm EIRP @ 5240.

6 watt radio I would *NOT* call power hungry at all.

They were 24v radios on the first shipment, there's a specific MAC address 
range (very small).  These days they're 24-48 volts.  It's to the point where 
Netonix is removing 24vh (power on 4 pairs) because AF5x was the only radio 
that uses it and it isn't necessary but for a small number of existing units.

I think the cut off is 20v?


Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Adair Winter 
> wrote:
We run them at 24 and 48 volts no problem. never tried them on less than 24 
though.

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Steve D 
> wrote:
Spec sheet says they'll take an input voltage between 19-29v and draw up to 
12watts.  Anyone able to tell me how true this is?  Looking to bolt something 
onto a solar site, and I was under the impression the airfiber line was power 
hungry.  Plus, I could have sworn they were af802.3 compliant so 48 volt.  This 
isn't a case of someone copy pasting spec sheets from airmax radios, is it?

Cheers,

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Re: [Ubnt_users] Airfiber 5x power consumption

[Mathew Howard]

We had an extended power outage a couple months ago on a tower with two AF-5x 
radios, and the batteries got drained down to nothing. I don't remember exactly 
what the voltage got down to before we lost contact to the tower, but I know it 
was well below 20v - something like 16-17, if I remember right.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Steve D [bigd...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 3:31 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Airfiber 5x power consumption

Oh, that is bloody fantastic.  Thanks for the responses guys.  I'd love to hear 
from Ubnt guys about the low end power and whether they can they safely hit 20v 
in a worst case scenario.  We really try our best to avoid ever going under 24v 
but it's nice to have wiggle room for days when everything goes stupid.  And 
much, much love for the wide range of input voltage because I can totally see 
ourselves eventually moving to 48v if we ever did this again.

-Steve

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Mathew Howard 
<mat...@litewire.net<mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> wrote:
I've measured similar power consumption... the spec sheet is definitely on the 
high side. I usually figure 8 watts for planning purposes, but I haven't ever 
seen them actually draw that much. According to ubiquiti, the input voltage is 
19v to 53v now, but I don't think they are 802.3af compliant.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] on behalf 
of Josh Luthman 
[j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>]
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 2:46 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Airfiber 5x power consumption

Power consumption

Wall is 123vac. Amp meter says 0.07a. 8.61 watts. This is the factory POE.
POE spits out 24vdc. Amp meter said 0.23a. 5.52 watts.
I waited ~10 minutes after it booted to look. They were definitely associated. 
It's running 33dBm EIRP @ 5240.

6 watt radio I would *NOT* call power hungry at all.

They were 24v radios on the first shipment, there's a specific MAC address 
range (very small).  These days they're 24-48 volts.  It's to the point where 
Netonix is removing 24vh (power on 4 pairs) because AF5x was the only radio 
that uses it and it isn't necessary but for a small number of existing units.

I think the cut off is 20v?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:(937)%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:(937)%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Adair Winter 
<ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
We run them at 24 and 48 volts no problem. never tried them on less than 24 
though.

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Steve D 
<bigd...@gmail.com<mailto:bigd...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Spec sheet says they'll take an input voltage between 19-29v and draw up to 
12watts.  Anyone able to tell me how true this is?  Looking to bolt something 
onto a solar site, and I was under the impression the airfiber line was power 
hungry.  Plus, I could have sworn they were af802.3 compliant so 48 volt.  This 
isn't a case of someone copy pasting spec sheets from airmax radios, is it?

Cheers,

-Steve

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Re: [Ubnt_users] V 6.0.1 & 6.0.2

[Mathew Howard]

I upgraded a few 2.4ghz XM radios to 6.0.2 yesterday (needed AC 
compatibility)... so far so good, I haven't run into any problem yet.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Nick Bright [nick.bri...@valnet.net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 10:28 PM
To: ubnt_users@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] V 6.0.1 & 6.0.2


Mitch, asking the real questions!

Has anybody tried out 6.0.1/2 on 2.4Ghz XM Hardware? That's what most of my 
stuff is.

On 3/28/2017 8:11 PM, Mitch wrote:

Any Idea on how close a fix for crashing radios?

On 03/28/2017 08:01 PM, Eric Tykwinski wrote:
I’m seeing it on most products:
   New:

- New: SNMP OIDs for CPU and Memory utilisation
- New: Update dropbear to v2016.74
- New: OpenSSL update to v1.0.2k
- New: libevent update to v2.1.8

Fixes:
- Fix: PTP mode stability and performance improvements
- Fix: Security fixes and improvements
- Fix: ATPC fast restart added
- Fix: Restore initial TX power on AP/PTP when ATPC is turned off
- Fix: Revert Device Name strictness for DHCP Client (escape only hashtag 
‘#’ symbol which breaks DHCP Client operation)
- Fix: Station fails re-authentication with AP when the same SSID is used for 
other APs
- Fix: Stations start disassociating from AP (PTMP)
- Fix: ATPC feature enable/disable and ATPC target signal change interrupts 
wireless link
- Fix: Wrong distance (100km) reporting after switching from Fixed to Auto 
Distance in airMAX PTP mode
- Fix: Flow Control fix for WA products

WEB UI:
- WEB UI: Don't allow to remove BRIDGE0 interface containing WLAN0
- WEB UI: "(Auto)" label missing on STA's Remote statistics in case ATPC is 
enabled on AP (PTP mode only)
- WEB UI: Show more detailed error messages when upgrading invalid firmware
- WEB UI: Improved Station List for small screens like mobile
- WEB UI: Change status.cgi output type from text/html to application/json
- WEB UI: Password change validation fix

On Mar 28, 2017, at 8:59 PM, Mitch 
> wrote:


I think it's the vulnerability fix

On 03/28/2017 07:54 PM, James Wilson wrote:
I was wondering that too,  didn't see any release notes...

On Mar 28, 2017 8:52 PM, "Kees H" 
> wrote:
What is the difference?

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Re: [Ubnt_users] V 6.0.1 & 6.0.2

[Mathew Howard]

2.4ghz AC is still in beta, but they do exist.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Steve D [bigd...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 2:38 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] V 6.0.1 & 6.0.2

Isn't AC 5GHz only?  Or have I been living under a rock?

-Steve D

On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Mathew Howard 
<mat...@litewire.net<mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> wrote:
I upgraded a few 2.4ghz XM radios to 6.0.2 yesterday (needed AC 
compatibility)... so far so good, I haven't run into any problem yet.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] on behalf 
of Nick Bright [nick.bri...@valnet.net<mailto:nick.bri...@valnet.net>]
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 10:28 PM
To: ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org>
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] V 6.0.1 & 6.0.2


Mitch, asking the real questions!

Has anybody tried out 6.0.1/2 on 2.4Ghz XM Hardware? That's what most of my 
stuff is.

On 3/28/2017 8:11 PM, Mitch wrote:

Any Idea on how close a fix for crashing radios?

On 03/28/2017 08:01 PM, Eric Tykwinski wrote:
I’m seeing it on most products:
   New:

- New: SNMP OIDs for CPU and Memory utilisation
- New: Update dropbear to v2016.74
- New: OpenSSL update to v1.0.2k
- New: libevent update to v2.1.8

Fixes:
- Fix: PTP mode stability and performance improvements
- Fix: Security fixes and improvements
- Fix: ATPC fast restart added
- Fix: Restore initial TX power on AP/PTP when ATPC is turned off
- Fix: Revert Device Name strictness for DHCP Client (escape only hashtag 
‘#’ symbol which breaks DHCP Client operation)
- Fix: Station fails re-authentication with AP when the same SSID is used for 
other APs
- Fix: Stations start disassociating from AP (PTMP)
- Fix: ATPC feature enable/disable and ATPC target signal change interrupts 
wireless link
- Fix: Wrong distance (100km) reporting after switching from Fixed to Auto 
Distance in airMAX PTP mode
- Fix: Flow Control fix for WA products

WEB UI:
- WEB UI: Don't allow to remove BRIDGE0 interface containing WLAN0
- WEB UI: "(Auto)" label missing on STA's Remote statistics in case ATPC is 
enabled on AP (PTP mode only)
- WEB UI: Show more detailed error messages when upgrading invalid firmware
- WEB UI: Improved Station List for small screens like mobile
- WEB UI: Change status.cgi output type from text/html to application/json
- WEB UI: Password change validation fix

On Mar 28, 2017, at 8:59 PM, Mitch 
<mi...@abetterwireless.com<mailto:mi...@abetterwireless.com>> wrote:


I think it's the vulnerability fix

On 03/28/2017 07:54 PM, James Wilson wrote:
I was wondering that too,  didn't see any release notes...

On Mar 28, 2017 8:52 PM, "Kees H" 
<wi...@calbroadband.com<mailto:wi...@calbroadband.com>> wrote:
What is the difference?

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Re: [Ubnt_users] V 6.0.1 & 6.0.2

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, they went pretty quick. It sounds like they should start shipping 
production units pretty soon though.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
ty...@wigi.us [ty...@wigi.us]
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 2:47 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] V 6.0.1 & 6.0.2

They are sold out in the Beta store to  :-/  I missed the bandwagon on that one 
myself.
- Original Message -
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] V 6.0.1 & 6.0.2
From: "Mathew Howard" <mat...@litewire.net>
Date: 3/29/17 3:42 pm
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org>

2.4ghz AC is still in beta, but they do exist.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Steve D [bigd...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 2:38 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] V 6.0.1 & 6.0.2

Isn't AC 5GHz only?  Or have I been living under a rock?

-Steve D

On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Mathew Howard 
<mat...@litewire.net<mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> wrote:
I upgraded a few 2.4ghz XM radios to 6.0.2 yesterday (needed AC 
compatibility)... so far so good, I haven't run into any problem yet.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] on behalf 
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To: ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org>
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] V 6.0.1 & 6.0.2


Mitch, asking the real questions!

Has anybody tried out 6.0.1/2 on 2.4Ghz XM Hardware? That's what most of my 
stuff is.

On 3/28/2017 8:11 PM, Mitch wrote:

Any Idea on how close a fix for crashing radios?

On 03/28/2017 08:01 PM, Eric Tykwinski wrote:
I’m seeing it on most products:
   New:

- New: SNMP OIDs for CPU and Memory utilisation
- New: Update dropbear to v2016.74
- New: OpenSSL update to v1.0.2k
- New: libevent update to v2.1.8

Fixes:
- Fix: PTP mode stability and performance improvements
- Fix: Security fixes and improvements
- Fix: ATPC fast restart added
- Fix: Restore initial TX power on AP/PTP when ATPC is turned off
- Fix: Revert Device Name strictness for DHCP Client (escape only hashtag 
‘#’ symbol which breaks DHCP Client operation)
- Fix: Station fails re-authentication with AP when the same SSID is used for 
other APs
- Fix: Stations start disassociating from AP (PTMP)
- Fix: ATPC feature enable/disable and ATPC target signal change interrupts 
wireless link
- Fix: Wrong distance (100km) reporting after switching from Fixed to Auto 
Distance in airMAX PTP mode
- Fix: Flow Control fix for WA products

WEB UI:
- WEB UI: Don't allow to remove BRIDGE0 interface containing WLAN0
- WEB UI: "(Auto)" label missing on STA's Remote statistics in case ATPC is 
enabled on AP (PTP mode only)
- WEB UI: Show more detailed error messages when upgrading invalid firmware
- WEB UI: Improved Station List for small screens like mobile
- WEB UI: Change status.cgi output type from text/html to application/json
- WEB UI: Password change validation fix


On Mar 28, 2017, at 8:59 PM, Mitch 
<mi...@abetterwireless.com<mailto:mi...@abetterwireless.com>> wrote:


I think it's the vulnerability fix

On 03/28/2017 07:54 PM, James Wilson wrote:
I was wondering that too,  didn't see any release notes...

On Mar 28, 2017 8:52 PM, "Kees H" 
<wi...@calbroadband.com<mailto:wi...@calbroadband.com>> wrote:
What is the difference?

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Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)

[Mathew Howard]

 Right... if you're able to get them to do 1024qam, they'll come close to a SAF 
at 256QAM, but the AF11 is far from the most efficient radio out there (the 
only thing that I know of that's less efficient, excluding ancient stuff, is 
probably the B11), but what they are is the cheapest (excluding used stuff) 
11ghz radio out there. And as long as you can do MIMO, they'll still get you 
better throughput than most of the cheap radios.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
J Portman [ba...@baron.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 8:08 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)

I misread the data sheet. The AF11 is not even as efficient as a SAF 256QAM in 
SISO mode.

Ergo, to the bottom of the pile it goes.

Better post that flipflop on twitter and alert CNN. :)

JP

On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 00:43:33 + (GMT), Faisal Imtiaz wrote
> That was a fast change of position ?
>

> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>


>
From: "J Portman" <ba...@baron.com>
> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 8:00:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)
>

>
Actually, looks like the AF11x will perform as good (or maybe better) than the 
B11 for less cost.
> 1024QAM with MIMO. They claim 1.3 gig each direction on 56MHZ channel.
>
> 799 per radio, ($1600/pair) plus antennas puts the whole link in the $3000 
> range with what looks like outstanding performance for the price.
>
> I am now officially considering UBNT as a possible vendor for three links I 
> need to do in the next few months.
>
> YMMV,
>
> JP
>
> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 01:10:01 + (GMT), Faisal Imtiaz wrote
> > I love these kinds of conversations everyone get hunkered down to 
> > comparing the tech specs..
> >
>
> > Yes, Yes, yes... no argument that there better radios
> >
>
> > But also stop and think for a moment, what was the 'effect' of the B11 
> > becoming available in the market place, for our industry ?
> >
> > 1).. A new technical concepts introduced.
> > 2).. An artificial glass ceiling of 'you cannot touch this' in the Licensed 
> > world challenged and broken
> > 3)..A new price point established
> > 4) Greatly Expanded the Market for lower cost licensed links
> > 5) Greatly expanded the CHOICES ... you may not like it.. but some 
> > others cannot afford your favorite product ...(To each their own).
> >
> > Do you think the AF11x would be a product if B11's were never introduced ?
> > Do you think that the other MFG would be under pressure to bring their 
> > absorbent product pricing down ?
> > Phoopho it as much as you like, the facts don't change..
> >
>
> > :)
> >
>
> > Happy Easter Everyone !
> >
>
> > Regards
> >
>
> > Faisal Imtiaz
> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> > 7266 SW 48 Street
> > Miami, FL 33155
> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> >
> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> >
> >


> >
From: "Mathew Howard" <mat...@litewire.net>
> > To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 8:58:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)
> >

> >

> >
> > Not to mention the fact that you have to use fixed up/down ratios on the 
> > B11 to make sync work, which makes them even more inefficient...and adds a 
> > bunch of latency.
> >
> > All GPS sync really doesn't add any capabilities beyond what you get with a 
> > real FDD link (and actually does have a lot of disadvantages, which have 
> > already been pointed out). B11s are great if you need to move a gig of data 
> > over 11ghz for cheap and have the channels available, but technically 
> > superior to other 11ghz radios they are not. I wouldn't even consider using 
> > a B11 anywhere that I couldn't license enough channels to run it at full 
> > capacity.
> >
> >


> > From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
> > of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 4:33 PM
> > To: Ubiquiti Users Group
> > Subject: Re

Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)

[Mathew Howard]

nds of conversations everyone get hunkered down to 
> comparing the tech specs..
>

> Yes, Yes, yes... no argument that there better radios
>

> But also stop and think for a moment, what was the 'effect' of the B11 
> becoming available in the market place, for our industry ?
>
> 1).. A new technical concepts introduced.
> 2).. An artificial glass ceiling of 'you cannot touch this' in the Licensed 
> world challenged and broken
> 3)..A new price point established
> 4) Greatly Expanded the Market for lower cost licensed links
> 5) Greatly expanded the CHOICES ... you may not like it.. but some others 
> cannot afford your favorite product ...(To each their own).
>
> Do you think the AF11x would be a product if B11's were never introduced ?
> Do you think that the other MFG would be under pressure to bring their 
> absorbent product pricing down ?
> Phoopho it as much as you like, the facts don't change..
>

> :)
>

> Happy Easter Everyone !
>

> Regards
>

> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
> supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>
>
>


>
From: "Mathew Howard" <mat...@litewire.net><mailto:mat...@litewire.net>
> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org><mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 8:58:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)
>

>

>
> Not to mention the fact that you have to use fixed up/down ratios on the B11 
> to make sync work, which makes them even more inefficient...and adds a bunch 
> of latency.
>
> All GPS sync really doesn't add any capabilities beyond what you get with a 
> real FDD link (and actually does have a lot of disadvantages, which have 
> already been pointed out). B11s are great if you need to move a gig of data 
> over 11ghz for cheap and have the channels available, but technically 
> superior to other 11ghz radios they are not. I wouldn't even consider using a 
> B11 anywhere that I couldn't license enough channels to run it at full 
> capacity.
>
>


> From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> 
> [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] on behalf 
> of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net<mailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net>]
> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 4:33 PM
> To: Ubiquiti Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)
>
>
> Sure there is...  as long as it's that exact same product. SAF Lumina can 
> coexist with SIAE, Ceragon, Alcoma, Exalt, etc. as long as they all Tx or all 
> Rx.
>
> B11 can co-exist with any radio as long as it's a B11 with the same sync 
> settings.
>
>

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>


> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> <fai...@snappytelecom.net><mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org><mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 4:29:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)
>
> not trying to be anal even in your statement there is a 'as long as'
>
> There is no such 'as long as' requirement with the B11 sync.
> While it is nothing new in concept, but their implementation is unique (at 
> least for the moment !)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Optio

Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

[Mathew Howard]

If you're running bandwidth tests from a MikroTik, I doubt that anything less 
than a CCR is going to be able to handle a 700Mbps TCP test. In my experience, 
if an AF24 is showing full capacity (770Mbps), it will do 700Mbps consistently.

We have an inactive AF24 link (it was replaced with 11ghz because of rain fade 
issues, but we left the AF24 there for a spare), with a CCR1009 at one end and 
an RB1100AHx2 at the other end - running a receive test from the CCR, I 
consistently get 680-700Mbps, but the other direction it's very inconsistent 
but probably averages about 100Mbps (keep in mind these routers do have around 
300Mbps of traffic going through the other link while this is running).


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Shawn C. Peppers [videodirectwispal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:04 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

Im not sure i get 700 mbps test across a few of mine either when running tcp.  
I do however hit 600+ at peak times.  Like Adair stated, its likely either the 
routers just are not accurately handling the bandwidth test, you have errors on 
the ethernet link or some other variable.

Shawn C. Peppers
Video Direct
866-680-8433 Toll Free
http://www.video-direct.tv

On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:49 AM, Tommy Adams 
> wrote:

Your numbers are almost identical to one of our links.  Pulling a TCP bandwidth 
test from a CCR1009 plugged in on each side we get 700 megs.  We use the 
CCR1009 to bond two backhauls together for failover when it rains.  Anyone 
telling you these things do not fail in the rain is crazy or lives in the 
dessert.

If you have a Mikrotik router behind it, you can do a bandwidth test to 
btest.planetcoop.com user/pass: btest. This is s 
public testing server setup by a nice ISP in northern US.

Tommy


--
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Network Administrator
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817.558.1204 F


From: > on 
behalf of Tim-GM 
>
Reply-To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
>
Date: Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 9:43 AM
To: 'Ubiquiti Users Group' >
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

UDP around 653meg

But that has NO value.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shawn C. Peppers
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:36 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group >
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

Must be something else messing with it.  How are you bandwidth testing?  Try a 
UDP test.

Shawn C. Peppers
Video Direct
866-680-8433 Toll Free
http://www.video-direct.tv

On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:24 AM, Tim-GM 
> 
wrote:


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shawn C. Peppers
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:16 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group >
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

What does the capacity show?

Shawn C. Peppers
Video Direct
866-680-8433 Toll Free
http://www.video-direct.tv

On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Tim-GM 
> 
wrote:
Just noticed airlink at 33db says 500
At 38 db says 728

The airfiber maximum power is 33db

Can this power be increased on the airfiber?

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adair Winter
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:48 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group >
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

If the capacity graph says 760Mb, that's what he's got. and the only channel 
option is 100Mhz.

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Adam Greene 
> wrote:
How much spectrum (channel width) did you allocate to the link?


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:26 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group >
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

Same here, with the AF24 line, always see full throughput.  Is it possible the 
routers on the ends can't handle the throughput?  Especially if they are 
generating the traffic for the Bandwidth test.
On 4/13/2017 

Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)

[Mathew Howard]

Not to mention the fact that you have to use fixed up/down ratios on the B11 to 
make sync work, which makes them even more inefficient...and adds a bunch of 
latency.

All GPS sync really doesn't add any capabilities beyond what you get with a 
real FDD link (and actually does have a lot of disadvantages, which have 
already been pointed out). B11s are great if you need to move a gig of data 
over 11ghz for cheap and have the channels available, but technically superior 
to other 11ghz radios they are not. I wouldn't even consider using a B11 
anywhere that I couldn't license enough channels to run it at full capacity.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 4:33 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)

Sure there is...  as long as it's that exact same product. SAF Lumina can 
coexist with SIAE, Ceragon, Alcoma, Exalt, etc. as long as they all Tx or all 
Rx.

B11 can co-exist with any radio as long as it's a B11 with the same sync 
settings.



-
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From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" 
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 4:29:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)

not trying to be anal even in your statement there is a 'as long as'

There is no such 'as long as' requirement with the B11 sync.
While it is nothing new in concept, but their implementation is unique (at 
least for the moment !)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" 
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 3:50:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)
As far as I know, any FDD radio can share frequencies with any other radio on 
the tower, regardless of owner or manufacturer. 16 QAM or 4096 QAM. As long as 
they're all Rx or all Tx and sufficient azimuth\elevation separation.



-
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From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" 
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 2:46:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)

I am confused.. your earlier explanation had a number of conditions implied 
before one can reuse the same channel ? unless I am miss-understanding...

with Mimosa, you can have two radios back to back or next to each other, 
belonging to two different providers, and re-use the channel.

Can we do that today with FDD ? or the other party is going to get their 
panties in tbe bunch because their radio can hear your radio ?

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155

Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Type N Jumpers

[Mathew Howard]

We used the Jirous dishes on our link, since the UBNT dishes weren't available 
at the time, and they do indeed come with jumpers (if I remember correctly, 
they're hardwired into the waveguide adapters).

You definitely do not want to use normal LMR type jumpers - most N connectors 
aren't going to work right above 6ghz.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Adair Winter [ada...@amarillowireless.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 8:24 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Type N Jumpers

The three AF11 links we have all used the ubnt dish so they came with jumpers. 
I hear the jirous dish and mounting brackets for the radio comes with them too. 
everyone was worried that the jumpers would be a source of high loss. however 
we have meet or beet the target SNR on all links using the ubnt jumpers. So 
that tells me there isn't as much loss in them as people thought, probably 
because they are so short.

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Jesse Dupont 
> wrote:
So I don't need anything special for 11GHz operation, just regular LMR type 
jumpers?


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
> on behalf 
of David Kunat >
Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 11:43:23 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Type N Jumpers

Streakwave has N cables

On May 9, 2017, at 1:09 PM, Jesse DuPont 
> wrote:

What are people using for Type N Male/Male jumpers for their AF11x deployments 
and where are they at?

Thanks!
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Re: [Ubnt_users] v6 opinions

[Mathew Howard]

We pretty much only have v6.0.x on clients that are connected to AC APs (mostly 
Prism 2AC) at this point (I don't really see much point in updating anything 
else until we have to), but it's been working fine, there were some issues with 
the early versions, but I haven't really seen any problems to speak of on 6.0.3 
or 6.0.4.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Tom Fadgen [tfad...@coastinet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 1:44 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] v6 opinions

are you using 5ac-prism AP's

Tom Fadgen

On Wednesday 24/05/2017 at 11:41 am, Jesse DuPont wrote:
We are doing quite a bit of 8.0.2 AC AP in mixed mode with both 8.0.2 AC subs 
and 6.0.3 M subs. We are not having random disconnect issues and performance 
has been what we'd expect.

Jesse DuPont
Network Architect
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On 5/24/17 11:53 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
No haven’t replaced any AP side yet.  Still doing AC to AC and Airmax to 
Airmax.  Waiting for some of you to workout the bugs and then start 1 tower at 
a time.   

Steve Barnes
Wireless Operations Manager
New Lisbon Broadband
NLBC.COM
PCSWIN.COM
765-584-2288 ext:1101

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 1:00 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group <ubnt_users@wispa.org><mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org>
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] v6 opinions

I have 1000 subs on 6.01 and 100 on 6.04.  I am now starting the upgrade to 
6.04 after the towers I have upgraded have been stable and no issues.

Steve Barnes
Wireless Operations Manager
New Lisbon Broadband
NLBC.COM
PCSWIN.COM
765-584-2288 ext:1101

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
ty...@wigi.us<mailto:ty...@wigi.us>
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:38 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group <ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] v6 opinions

airos.  i saw your ipv6 comment and was looking at release notes on firmware 
when i stopped to read mail so my mind was on airos and just responded without 
thinking.  :-)

- Original Message -
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] v6 opinions
From: "Josh Luthman" 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Date: 5/24/17 12:35 pm
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org>>
Ipv6 or Airos v6?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On May 24, 2017 12:29 PM, <ty...@wigi.us<mailto:ty...@wigi.us>> wrote:
So, now that its been brought up is anyone having good luck with any v6 in 
ptmp?  I've put very little on v6 yet honestly.

- Original Message -
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] test
From: "Mathew Howard" <mat...@litewire.net<mailto:mat...@litewire.net>>
Date: 5/24/17 12:21 pm
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org>>
or they're all just done complaining about bugs in v6... :p

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] on behalf 
of Josh Luthman 
[j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:00 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] test

Everyone's busy updating to v6
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:%28937%29%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:%28937%29%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On May 24, 2017 9:55 AM, "Kevin Melson" <e...@e1w.com<mailto:e...@e1w.com>> 
wrote:
yeah it appears to be workingloli thought it was just me since i havent 
seen anything in several days


Thanks,

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2007 Hwy 72 E
Corinth, MS 38834
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From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] On 
Behalf Of ty...@wigi.us<mailto:ty...@wigi.us>
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 8:52 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group <ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] test


Im just glad to see mine is working.  I thought my lists seemed pretty inactive.
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Subject: Re: [Ubnt_us

Re: [Ubnt_users] test

[Mathew Howard]

or they're all just done complaining about bugs in v6... :p

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:00 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] test

Everyone's busy updating to v6

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On May 24, 2017 9:55 AM, "Kevin Melson" > 
wrote:
yeah it appears to be workingloli thought it was just me since i havent 
seen anything in several days


Thanks,

Kevin Melson
Eagle One Wireless\PC Station
2007 Hwy 72 E
Corinth, MS 38834
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From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of ty...@wigi.us
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 8:52 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group >
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] test


Im just glad to see mine is working.  I thought my lists seemed pretty inactive.
- Original Message -
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] test
From: "Bob Greene" >
Date: 5/24/17 9:47 am
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" >
I think it is working.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Melson
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 6:45 AM
To: ubnt_users@wispa.org
Subject: [Ubnt_users] test

test
havent gotten any emails from this group in like a week
just making sure it works


Thanks,

Kevin Melson
Eagle One Wireless\PC Station
2007 Hwy 72 E
Corinth, MS 38834
662-287-1722
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Re: [Ubnt_users] Does anyone have a single UBNT AF-11FX-DUP-H they would like to sell me?

[Mathew Howard]

I'm pretty sure I've got one... let me know if you still need one, and I'll 
check in the morning to make sure it's an H, not an L.


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Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 2:44 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: [Ubnt_users] Does anyone have a single UBNT AF-11FX-DUP-H they would 
like to sell me?

They seem to be out of stock every where!

Thanks,
Mike


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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5x bad signal problems

[Mathew Howard]

We had one AF-5x link where one chain dropped by 10 or 15db (I don't remember 
exacty... it was awhile ago), and changing the radios and pigtails on both ends 
of the link made no difference. We ended up fixing it by replacing one of the 
dishes.

My best guess was that the feedhorn itself had some water in it (this was 
probably one of our oldest Rocket dishes), but by the time I got it back to the 
shop and dissected it, everything was dry, so I never could prove it.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 9:20 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5x bad signal problems

This is what we did - new radios and jumpers on both sides.  It cleared up for 
a few days and at this point it looks like chain1 is ~10 db lower than chain0 
(which is back to the 60s).  We'll see what happens after a couple of days, 
it's passing way more bandwidth than what we need so it isn't necessary to get 
that last few bits.


Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
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Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 10:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
swap radios on both ends just to start ruling stuff out

On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 10:18 AM, Mitch 
> wrote:

This is a similar issue we had with AF5U and never got fixed

UBNT still says it's thermal???


On 1/19/2018 11:03 PM, RickG wrote:
True. I'm now dealing with a bunch of my 900MHz towers doing the same thing :(

On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 5:55 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
Really weird that both pig tails have the exact same level of problems, though. 
 Both chains dropped from 60s to 80s to 95+ and the link obviously disappeared. 
 The signals reported on the AirOS interface, I mean.

Spectrum scan still shows -50 to nearby APs and -60 on the BH frequency.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 5:52 PM, RickG 
> wrote:
I've had a flurry of bad pigtails lately :(

On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 5:43 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
This came back up...exact same issue.  Definitely not ice today!

Spectrum scan sees upper and lower bands just fine.  Both sides see each other 
at -60ish.  It attempts to register and fail

Is there any possibility besides bad jumper/radio?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 12, 2018 2:29 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
Well I brought the power down to -60/61 to be nice!  Also higher modulation...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 1:55 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
sun must have melted the ice off, i have had some links with ice that get 
affected and some that didn't, very strange sometimes, just have high link 
margins is about the only thing you can do.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
Right on the money.  Back up to 61 now.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 12, 2018 11:40 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
Well I thought exactly that at first but I do have radomes and another 
north/south link that has 0 change.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:39 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
If you have a backhaul covered in ice i can almost guarantee that the ice is 
causing your signal being down, seen this a couple winters ago on an AF5X link 
with 2 foot dishes, your pretty much screwed until the ice melts off..

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:36 AM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
Had a wind/storm and everything come through, wind picked up at 4am and 4:30-5 
we went from 61 db to 70 and a bit later down to 80 db.  Everything is covered 
in ice.  BH is 12.5 miles north/south.

Have another BH 12.5 miles north/south (in line with the af5x) with no 
problems.  Ruled out 

Re: [Ubnt_users] airfiber 3

[Mathew Howard]

The max transmit power for 3.65ghz depends on what channel width you're using. 
If it's using 2' dishes, the antenna gain should be somewhere around 26dbi. I 
think you can go up to like 44db (or maybe 46... I don't remember for sure off 
hand) EIRP if you're using the full 40mhz channel, so transmit power should be 
like 20dbm max with 2' dishes.



From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
CBB - Jay Fuller [par...@cyberbroadband.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 11:01 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: [Ubnt_users] airfiber 3


When configuring airfiber 3, what should the transmit output power be, and what 
should the antenna gain be?
We are using rocketdishes.
Thanks!

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Re: [Ubnt_users] airfiber 3

[Mathew Howard]

Max TX power depends on the channel width in 3.65ghz. With the full 40mhz 
channel, I believe the AF3x will let you go up to 46db EIRP (the dish is 26dbi, 
so that would be 20dbm eirp, not accounting for any cable loss)... I assume 
that's what's actually allowed, but I'd have to look up the numbers to be sure. 
For a 20mhz channel the max is something like 43db EIRP, and less for narrower 
channels.


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Nick Bright [nick.bri...@valnet.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 3:32 PM
To: ubnt_users@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] airfiber 3

On 1/30/2018 11:49 AM, Mike Goicoechea wrote:
> Are you using out of band management? Check eirp also. We have seen
> the airfiber throttle down one sides power down.
I had this happen to a link, pulled it down to -26dBm TX power or
something silly. The only fix was to manually specify the power.

For an RD-3G26 dish, I believe the max TX power should be +19dBm
conducted; if I have done my math correctly.

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Re: [Ubnt_users] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

[Mathew Howard]

What Mike is saying, is pretty simple. Service provider revenue for the last 
quarter was $20 million lower than the previous two quarters, and they need 
something to blame that drop on.

No, it's not like someone stole money out of their bank account, it's just that 
they didn't make as much as they were probably expected to, based on their 
history. but the result is, that they don't have $20 million that investors 
probably expected them to have, and that has to be explained.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Matt Hoppes [mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net]
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 8:37 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

How do you lose revenue you haven’t made?  It’s not like someone stole money 
out of their bank account.

A sale not made isn’t a lost sale unless you can prove someone was going to buy 
something and then didn’t. That’s hard to prove.

And how did you get this information ahead of the call?

On Aug 12, 2018, at 09:18, Mike Hammett 
mailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

I think I figured out the motivation. They lost $20m in service provider 
revenue last quarter. Next quarter's call is in 2 weeks. They needed something 
to say.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RppWkREqtinzA2obwaZuItc5553tqqYYiEhcXefnb7I/edit?usp=sharing



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From: "Mike Hammett" 
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To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org>>
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 9:30:58 AM
Subject: [Ubnt_users] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/1660546944070751

Ubiquiti Networks, Inc. sues Cambium Networks .

https://www.law360.com/articles/1071813/wireless-co-ubiquiti-says-rival-sells-hacking-firmware

I'd like to see more of the claims.

They've also sued Sakid Ahmed and Dmitry Moiseev of Cambium.
They've sued WINNCOM TECHNOLOGIES, CORP. .

They've sued BLIP Networks , a WISP in southern Illinois.



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Re: [Ubnt_users] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

[Mathew Howard]

The fact that they did this just a couple weeks before their next report makes 
me suspect that service provider revenue fell even more this quarter.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Seth Mattinen [se...@rollernet.us]
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 1:14 PM
To: ubnt_users@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

On 8/12/18 11:01 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> People didn’t buy. Move on. Good months and bad. Don’t like it?  Stop
> investing. Any other questions?
>


Previous quarter: We'll see at least $20 million in this sector by next
quarter!

This quarter: Uh, actually we didn't see any of that money, but it was
our competitor's fault so we sued them.
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Re: [Ubnt_users] Airrouter

[Mathew Howard]

I like the Ignitenet routers. They're a bit more expensive, but they're nice 
routers.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Clay Stewart [cstew...@scsbroadband.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 8:15 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: [Ubnt_users] Airrouter

Since AirRouters are gone, and the new cubes are too poor in coverage and you 
need an APP on cell phone to program them, for those who have been using them, 
what are you going to for replacements that are as good as the HP model 
AirRouter, and has that price point?
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Re: [Ubnt_users] Aiming AirFiber 5u 13mi link

[Mathew Howard]

Those are actually only 23dbi antennas...

I agree, there's no way I'd try using an AirFiber 5 on a link that long. an 
AF-5x, 5xHD, or one of the many other connectorized radios out there, and at 
least 2' dishes is what you want.

I would expect those things to link, as long as everything is configured right, 
and they're aimed close enough, but they certainly aren't going to work well.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Darin Steffl [darin.ste...@mnwifi.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 2:18 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Aiming AirFiber 5u 13mi link

You're not going to have good luck at 13 miles. Those are only 25db gain 
antennas which are far too small for 13 miles. You really should be using 
af5xhd with minimum 2 foot dishes but preferably 3 foot dishes.



On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:14 PM Tyler Fulginiti 
> wrote:

Hello,



We have read through tons of documents based on how to aim and align these 
radios , we have set the frequencies outside of the DFS range and are using HDD 
at 10MHz channel. We have verified the LOS a couple different ways (WISPtools 
RF Planner, Google maps etc.)



Outside of configuration settings being incorrect the only thing we think it 
could be is setting of  the elevation correctly on these devices have been hard 
to find a good cheaper way to do that.



Are there any tips to getting this shot to work ?


Tyler Fulginiti
Network Administrator
Cell- 301-643-1176
www.PeakeNetBroadband.com
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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, but you have a much stronger link - you're at -48 with 17dbm Tx Power.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Matt Hoppes [mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net]
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 11:26 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group; Darin Steffl
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x

I'm not sure what has been discussed here, but we have 10x going on this
link (see picture)

On 3/26/18 11:48 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
> Alex,
>
> Frequency coordinators are supposed to find you spectrum but at the end
> of the day, it's up to your company to engineer/design the link to meet
> your required signal and bandwidth needs. The manual for the AF11fx
> clearly spells out the required signal levels and power levels needed to
> achieve 6x, 8x, 10x modulation schemes. 18db is MAX power that can be
> used to achieve 10x for example and then whatever the required signal
> level is listed but I don't have it memorized.
>
> Sorry to put you on the spot and I don't mean any disrespect but you
> guys kind of messed up. Don't rely on frequency coordinators to design
> your links. Only use them to find you spectrum.
>
> A 17 mile link in 11ghz should definitely have minimum 3 foot antennas
> on each end but I would plan on using 4 foot antennas to be safe if the
> link is important to you and you want max bandwidth.
>
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:38 AM, alex phillips <highspeedl...@gmail.com
> <mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Yes, this is what I Am concluding as well.  I have spoken with my
> freq coordinator about making changes to their software that
> estimates these links to account for this.
>
> /*Alex Phillips*/
> CEO and General Manager
> RBNS.net
> HighSpeedLink.net
> *540-908-3993 <tel:(540)%20908-3993>*
> Co-Host AmericanPriority.com American Priority Conference
>     September 6-8th 2018
> #AMP18
> @PriorityConf Twitter
>
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Mathew Howard <mat...@litewire.net
> <mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> wrote:
>
> Yes, but the bigger problem here, if I'm reading Alex's
> screenshot correctly, is that this is a 17 mile link using 2'
> dishes, and there's a very good chance that there simply isn't
> enough signal for 10X to work. According to airlink, the signal
> should be right on the edge of 10X territory at that distance,
> which those antennas, but in the real world there's a good
> chance it isn't going to work... and there's certainly no fade
> margin to speak of at 10X.
>
> 
> 
> *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
> <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>
> [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
> <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] on behalf of David Jones
> [d...@nglconnection.com <mailto:d...@nglconnection.com>]
> *Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2018 5:42 AM
>
> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x
>
> I can confirm with Adair
>
> in order to get 10x you need TX set at 18 and no auto power back
> off. However you can use the MIMO and Short CP
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:05 AM, Mathew Howard
> <mat...@litewire.net <mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> wrote:
>
> I haven't ever been able to get the auto power back off to
> work properly... the first thing I'd try would be to turn
> that off and just set the max power to 18dbm... but the
> problem is, that when you do that, you're going to probably
> lose too much signal to maintain a 10x link (judging from
> the dashboard screenshot). If you go to the latest beta
> firmware, you'll probably be able to get 9x working, but I
> suspect the link just isn't going to be able to do 10x.
>
> 
> 
> *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
> <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>
> [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
> <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] on behalf of alex
> phillips [highspeedl...@gmail.com
> <mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com>]
> *Sent:* Friday, March 23, 2018 9:33 AM
> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x
>
> Like this?
>
> https://i.imgur.com/I23ggVX.p

Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x

[Mathew Howard]

Does UBNT say to use 2db cable loss? that seems a little excessive to me...

But yeah, I'd say alignment is either a bit off or you have some 
obstructions... you should have better signal than that, at that distance.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Matt Hoppes [mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net]
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 12:55 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group; Adair Winter
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x

Why is that?  They are 35dB antennas.

17 + 35 - 2 = 50, which is right where we are.

On 3/26/18 1:17 PM, Adair Winter wrote:
> And it looks like you either have antenna gain set wrong or need to work
> on the alignment, Matt.
>
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 12:01 PM Mathew Howard <mat...@litewire.net
> <mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> wrote:
>
> Yeah, but you have a much stronger link - you're at -48 with 17dbm
> Tx Power.
>
> 
> From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
> <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
> <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] on behalf of Matt Hoppes
> [mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>]
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 11:26 AM
> To: Ubiquiti Users Group; Darin Steffl
> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x
>
> I'm not sure what has been discussed here, but we have 10x going on this
> link (see picture)
>
> On 3/26/18 11:48 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
>  > Alex,
>  >
>  > Frequency coordinators are supposed to find you spectrum but at
> the end
>  > of the day, it's up to your company to engineer/design the link
> to meet
>  > your required signal and bandwidth needs. The manual for the AF11fx
>  > clearly spells out the required signal levels and power levels
> needed to
>  > achieve 6x, 8x, 10x modulation schemes. 18db is MAX power that can be
>  > used to achieve 10x for example and then whatever the required signal
>  > level is listed but I don't have it memorized.
>  >
>  > Sorry to put you on the spot and I don't mean any disrespect but you
>  > guys kind of messed up. Don't rely on frequency coordinators to
> design
>  > your links. Only use them to find you spectrum.
>  >
>  > A 17 mile link in 11ghz should definitely have minimum 3 foot
> antennas
>  > on each end but I would plan on using 4 foot antennas to be safe
> if the
>  > link is important to you and you want max bandwidth.
>  >
>  > On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:38 AM, alex phillips
> <highspeedl...@gmail.com <mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com>
>  > <mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com
> <mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>  >
>  > Yes, this is what I Am concluding as well.  I have spoken with my
>  > freq coordinator about making changes to their software that
>  > estimates these links to account for this.
>  >
>  > /*Alex Phillips*/
>  > CEO and General Manager
>  >     RBNS.net
>  > HighSpeedLink.net
>  > *540-908-3993 <tel:(540)%20908-3993>*
>  > Co-Host AmericanPriority.com American Priority Conference
>  > September 6-8th 2018
>  > #AMP18
>  > @PriorityConf Twitter
>  >
>  > On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Mathew Howard
> <mat...@litewire.net <mailto:mat...@litewire.net>
>  > <mailto:mat...@litewire.net <mailto:mat...@litewire.net>>> wrote:
>  >
>  > Yes, but the bigger problem here, if I'm reading Alex's
>  > screenshot correctly, is that this is a 17 mile link using 2'
>  > dishes, and there's a very good chance that there simply
> isn't
>  > enough signal for 10X to work. According to airlink, the
> signal
>  > should be right on the edge of 10X territory at that
> distance,
>  > which those antennas, but in the real world there's a good
>  > chance it isn't going to work... and there's certainly no
> fade
>  > margin to speak of at 10X.
>  >
>  >
>   
>  > *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
> <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>
>  > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
> <mailto:ubnt_users-boun..

Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x

[Mathew Howard]

Ah yeah, that makes sense... I forget about the duplexer. Not that it really 
changes anything anyway with these, it'll just throw the signal calculations 
off a bit. For licensing purposes, I figure you're generally better off erring 
on the side of higher output power. The AF11 link we have up has always been 
off by about 5db, and I haven't been able to get it any better after trying to 
tune it several times, but I think we may have some trees poking a bit into the 
fresnel zone somewhere in the middle...

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Adair Winter [ada...@amarillowireless.net]
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 2:45 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x

It's actually not excessive.
If you read the manual it says the duplexer is = to 1db loss and you're going 
to have at least that in the jumpers as well.
I however always set the cable loss to zero and do the math for my max EIRP or 
18dbm. It's just easier when looking at it to know that there isn't 2 being 
subtracted somewhere.
Even with the losses, we usually are within 1-2db of target and sometimes beat 
it.


On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Mathew Howard 
<mat...@litewire.net<mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> wrote:
Does UBNT say to use 2db cable loss? that seems a little excessive to me...

But yeah, I'd say alignment is either a bit off or you have some 
obstructions... you should have better signal than that, at that distance.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] on behalf 
of Matt Hoppes 
[mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>]
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 12:55 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group; Adair Winter
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x

Why is that?  They are 35dB antennas.

17 + 35 - 2 = 50, which is right where we are.

On 3/26/18 1:17 PM, Adair Winter wrote:
> And it looks like you either have antenna gain set wrong or need to work
> on the alignment, Matt.
>
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 12:01 PM Mathew Howard 
> <mat...@litewire.net<mailto:mat...@litewire.net>
> <mailto:mat...@litewire.net<mailto:mat...@litewire.net>>> wrote:
>
> Yeah, but you have a much stronger link - you're at -48 with 17dbm
> Tx Power.
>
> 
> From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>
> 
> <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>> 
> [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>
> 
> <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>>] 
> on behalf of Matt Hoppes
> 
> [mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> 
> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>]
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 11:26 AM
> To: Ubiquiti Users Group; Darin Steffl
> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x
>
> I'm not sure what has been discussed here, but we have 10x going on this
> link (see picture)
>
> On 3/26/18 11:48 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
>  > Alex,
>  >
>  > Frequency coordinators are supposed to find you spectrum but at
> the end
>  > of the day, it's up to your company to engineer/design the link
> to meet
>  > your required signal and bandwidth needs. The manual for the AF11fx
>  > clearly spells out the required signal levels and power levels
> needed to
>  > achieve 6x, 8x, 10x modulation schemes. 18db is MAX power that can be
>  > used to achieve 10x for example and then whatever the required signal
>  > level is listed but I don't have it memorized.
>  >
>  > Sorry to put you on the spot and I don't mean any disrespect but you
>  > guys kind of messed up. Don't rely on frequency coordinators to
> design
>  > your links. Only use them to find you spectrum.
>  >
>  > A 17 mile link in 11ghz should definitely have minimum 3 foot
> antennas
>  > on each end but I would plan on using 4 foot antennas to be safe
> if the
>  > link is important to you and you want max bandwidth.
>  >
>  > On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:38 AM, alex phillips
> <highspeedl...@gmail.com<mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com> 
> <mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com<mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com>>
>  > <mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com<mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:high

Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x

[Mathew Howard]

I haven't ever been able to get the auto power back off to work properly... the 
first thing I'd try would be to turn that off and just set the max power to 
18dbm... but the problem is, that when you do that, you're going to probably 
lose too much signal to maintain a 10x link (judging from the dashboard 
screenshot). If you go to the latest beta firmware, you'll probably be able to 
get 9x working, but I suspect the link just isn't going to be able to do 10x.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
alex phillips [highspeedl...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 9:33 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x

Like this?

https://i.imgur.com/I23ggVX.png


That's how we've had it set, and we're still only seeing 8x.

https://i.imgur.com/18JUkVz.png
[https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif]


Alex Phillips
CEO and General Manager
RBNS.net
HighSpeedLink.net
540-908-3993
Co-Host AmericanPriority.com American Priority Conference
September 6-8th 2018
#AMP18
@PriorityConf Twitter

On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:30 AM, Adair Winter 
> wrote:
What is your conducted power set to?

On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 9:29 AM alex phillips 
> wrote:
I have it set like the lic says but it wont hit 10x.  Ubnt support suggested 
reducing power and that did not help.

Alex Phillips
CEO and General Manager
RBNS.net
HighSpeedLink.net
540-908-3993
Co-Host AmericanPriority.com American Priority Conference
September 6-8th 2018
#AMP18
@PriorityConf Twitter

On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Seth Mattinen 
> wrote:
On 3/23/18 7:03 AM, alex phillips wrote:
> Can those who use AF11 and are able to establish a link a 10x reliably
> please share your link information?
>
> Distance,  Dish and power settings.


Match your license. Don't randomly increase power, 11GHz travels a long
way and you can easily interfere with another licensee.
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Re: [Ubnt_users] Memory leak bug AF5x Version:v3.2-debug.28630

[Mathew Howard]

I have all of ours on 3.2.1 or newer, and haven't ever seen anything like 
that... for what that's worth.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 10:33 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Memory leak bug AF5x Version:v3.2-debug.28630

Well before today it was error free for something like 3 years :)

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On Mar 2, 2018 11:15 PM, "Adair Winter" 
> wrote:
That's old firmware..

On Mar 2, 2018 9:26 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
Had a major backhaul that runs a lot of traffic start going ape shit about 10 
minutes ago.  Signals were just fine but the modulation would bounce.  The 
throughput graph would drop to 0 and start climbing over and over.  Same 
frequency for months.

Looking at SNMP, it quit responding 3 days ago.  A simple reboot of both sides 
fixed my problem.

Anyone seen this before?  Known issue?  Any recommendations on safe firmware to 
use?

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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5x won't link up anymore

[Mathew Howard]

I've noticed in the past that these radios have problems if chain 0 isn't 
working right, so yeah, I think you're right about the management being only on 
chain0.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 12:36 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5x won't link up anymore

My issue was ch0 jumper was toast.  I'm guessing the management is 100% ch0 
which means if it doesn't have a good signal, it'll never associate.  Even of 
ch1 is perfectly fine.

Replaced both radios, no resolution.  Replaced master jumpers, same signal.  
Replaced slave jumpers and we no longer have chain imbalance.


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On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 1:34 PM, RickG 
mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I had one do the same exact things several months ago. Replaced the radio and 
all was well. Afterwards, I tried to bench test it and couldnt get anything 
with other radios.

On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 8:40 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
I have an AF5x link that just went down seemingly out of the blue earlier this 
afternoon. It's been running for months at 63/75 (maybe even 12-18 months?) and 
chugging along doing it's job. Now we can't get any association.

Both sides see an AP we have at 5190 (the BH runs at 5215). This tells me that 
the dishes/jumpers are unlikely the issue.

We replaced the far radio. Got too dark/windy/rainy so we haven't replaced the 
master side. I swapped master/slave roles. I changed frequencies and channel 
sizes all over the place, I'm not seeing any association what so ever. I was 
running 4.0.3 release and finally tried v4.1.0-beta5.32792 - no change.

Any ideas short of replacing the master radio? Any other possibilities or 
thoughts?


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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5xHD ethernet port limited to auto negotiation

[Mathew Howard]

Just be happy that line wasn't connected to ground, then it would've given you 
a nice shock if you touched the power supply... but then again, that would've 
made it easier to find the problem 

On Jan 5, 2019 4:49 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
Off hand I think...

Real line to neutral
Real neutral to ground
Real ground to line

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On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 5:45 PM Mathew Howard 
mailto:mat...@litewire.net> wrote:
I'm curious how it was wired...

On Jan 5, 2019 1:27 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Replaced all kinds of cables and radios, third PboxPro, etc and no fix.

Thought maybe the power supply could be bad or generating noise.  Looked at the 
wiring.  It was not right to say the least.  I'm kind of surprised but more 
scared that it worked.  Fixed the wiring and when I booted up the gear 
everything came up just fine.

Hire an employee they said...it's how you grow they said...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 8:06 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Well I'm trying to stick with DC so that won't cut it here :(

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Fri, Jan 4, 2019, 7:50 PM RickG 
mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have the same issue with a Cambium ePMP 2000 talking to a Netonix switch. If 
I use the Cambium POE all is well!

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 4:43 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
I have several sites out in the field with Powerbox Pro and once I forced poe 
on, it works just fine with af5xHD.

In the office, though, I have weird issues where if a cable is plugged into 
another port (just simply a cable, no other device) it goes from auto (doing 
gig full) to interface up/down constantly and I can't even get the Mikrotik 
bridge to see the af5xhd MAC address.

Now if I set auto negotiation to 10/100 it links just fine (at 100 full).

Looking at the radio interface it doesn't seem that I can set it to gig full.  
I can't change it from auto negotiation.  Am I missing something?

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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5xHD ethernet port limited to auto negotiation

[Mathew Howard]

I'm curious how it was wired...

On Jan 5, 2019 1:27 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
Replaced all kinds of cables and radios, third PboxPro, etc and no fix.

Thought maybe the power supply could be bad or generating noise.  Looked at the 
wiring.  It was not right to say the least.  I'm kind of surprised but more 
scared that it worked.  Fixed the wiring and when I booted up the gear 
everything came up just fine.

Hire an employee they said...it's how you grow they said...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 8:06 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Well I'm trying to stick with DC so that won't cut it here :(

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019, 7:50 PM RickG 
mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have the same issue with a Cambium ePMP 2000 talking to a Netonix switch. If 
I use the Cambium POE all is well!

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 4:43 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
I have several sites out in the field with Powerbox Pro and once I forced poe 
on, it works just fine with af5xHD.

In the office, though, I have weird issues where if a cable is plugged into 
another port (just simply a cable, no other device) it goes from auto (doing 
gig full) to interface up/down constantly and I can't even get the Mikrotik 
bridge to see the af5xhd MAC address.

Now if I set auto negotiation to 10/100 it links just fine (at 100 full).

Looking at the radio interface it doesn't seem that I can set it to gig full.  
I can't change it from auto negotiation.  Am I missing something?

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Re: [Ubnt_users] AC Gen2 5Ghz Feedhorns

[Mathew Howard]

I concur

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org  On Behalf Of 
James Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 1:42 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AC Gen2 5Ghz Feedhorns

Yes for 2.4 Ghz feedhorns!   :)

On Wed, Dec 12, 2018, 1:53 PM Tim Reichhart 
mailto:t...@nwohiobb.com> wrote:
You guys also need to do it for 2ac feed horns man

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Tony Rassavong via Ubnt_users
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 1:36 PM
To: ja...@ridgecomms.com
Cc: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AC Gen2 5Ghz Feedhorns

Thanks for the email guys, I know this was discussed on our forum and thats why 
we made them available through our store to help out for now. We'll continue to 
explore other ways to help out.

https://community.ubnt.com/t5/airMAX-AC/Purchase-Feedhorn-Only/td-p/2032474/page/10

Thanks,
Tony

On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 11:15 AM James Wilson 
mailto:ja...@ridgecomms.com>> wrote:
We'd also like feedhorns and other replacement parts!

And it would be nice if we could get them from distributors.

And they need to be in stock!

On Wed, Dec 12, 2018, 12:28 PM Tony Rassavong via Ubnt_users 
mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org> wrote:
Hi Alex,

Ill give you a call to discuss and would love to hear your constructive 
feedback. To help with this now, we are making it available through our store 
if you prefer to purchase feedhorn alone 
(https://store.ubnt.com/collections/wireless/products/powerbeam-5ac-gen-2-feed-horn)
 and it is in stock. It isn't considered a finished product so it is different 
to sell/stock through the channel properly.

Thanks,
Tony

On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 9:38 AM alex phillips 
mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello,

I wanted to relay on to the folks at UBNT that the ability to purchase Feed 
horns only is a great deal for WISP's.   We use them for repairs as well as 
upgrades.

My only issue is that this item is not available in larger volumes.   I have 
been dealing with my distributor to purchase some large volume so we can 
upgrade our entire network and he is telling me UBNT will not work with him on 
this purchase.

I would like to get this resolved as soon as possible.Maybe someone from 
UBNT can give me a ring and I can talk about this with you.


Alex Phillips
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Re: [Ubnt_users] Airfiber team - anyone left there?

[Mathew Howard]

Chuck Macenski is still around, isn't he?


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org  on behalf of 
Josh Luthman 
Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 9:30:27 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: [Ubnt_users] Airfiber team - anyone left there?

I was previously talking to Bill about some software changes that really needed 
done and he's since disappeared (not answering emails).  Ben is gone, too.

Is there anyone besides tier 1 that we can talk to or are they just ignoring 
all the WISPs?

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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5xHD ethernet port limited to auto negotiation

[Mathew Howard]

It seems like power being active on that cable is somehow generating some kind 
of noise that's screwing up the ethernet, but I have no idea how or why that 
would be happening. It sounds a lot like the issues that FM transmitters can 
cause on ethernet.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org  on behalf of 
Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 4:26:09 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5xHD ethernet port limited to auto negotiation

Problem continues if I disable eth3 port on bridge.

With epmp poe off I get gig full, no problems.

FYI I have a 155 watt power supply and even if each device was 7 watts, it 
isn't, that's still only 21 watts.  I'm supplying 27.5 volts at this time 
(cables are only a few feet for everything).

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On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 5:23 PM Mathew Howard 
mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> wrote:

We had a port go bad on a Mikrotik the other day, and after we plugged the 
customer's router into a different port, it still wouldn't pass any data until 
I disabled the bad port (actually, I think just removing it from the bridge 
group fixed it)... the only reason I mention that is because there seems to be 
some kind of weird interaction between ports that are bridged together on 
Mikrotiks sometimes.


I'm not sure how nothing more than a cable can cause that sort of a problem 
though... that's pretty strange. Does it change anything if you turn poe off on 
that port?


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> 
mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>> on behalf 
of Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 4:16:19 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5xHD ethernet port limited to auto negotiation

It happens on two Powerbox Pro units, so I'm guessing a grounding issue or some 
sort of noise in the office.  There are no surge cards in the lab at this point.

Yes - simply the cable in the port.  I plugged in an epmp and it worked just 
fine, but I lost the af5xHD.  If I unplug the cable from the epmp (leaving it 
plugged in on the PB Pro) my problem continues.  If I unplug it from the PB 
Pro, problem goes away...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 5:12 PM Mathew Howard 
mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> wrote:

Most devices won't let turn off auto negotiation on gigabit, but what you can 
do is set it to only advertise gig full (I know you can do this on the Mikrotik 
by just unchecking everything else, and I think you can do it on the af5xhd 
too, but I'm not certain about that). That probably isn't going to fix the 
problem though. I've seen bad ports cause somewhat similar issues on Mikrotiks, 
or even damaged surge suppressors, but I'm not sure how just a cable being in 
the port can do that. Is the port the cable is plugged into assigned same 
bridge (or switch master port)?


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mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>> on behalf 
of Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 3:43:13 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: [Ubnt_users] AF5xHD ethernet port limited to auto negotiation

I have several sites out in the field with Powerbox Pro and once I forced poe 
on, it works just fine with af5xHD.

In the office, though, I have weird issues where if a cable is plugged into 
another port (just simply a cable, no other device) it goes from auto (doing 
gig full) to interface up/down constantly and I can't even get the Mikrotik 
bridge to see the af5xhd MAC address.

Now if I set auto negotiation to 10/100 it links just fine (at 100 full).

Looking at the radio interface it doesn't seem that I can set it to gig full.  
I can't change it from auto negotiation.  Am I missing something?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5xHD ethernet port limited to auto negotiation

[Mathew Howard]

Most devices won't let turn off auto negotiation on gigabit, but what you can 
do is set it to only advertise gig full (I know you can do this on the Mikrotik 
by just unchecking everything else, and I think you can do it on the af5xhd 
too, but I'm not certain about that). That probably isn't going to fix the 
problem though. I've seen bad ports cause somewhat similar issues on Mikrotiks, 
or even damaged surge suppressors, but I'm not sure how just a cable being in 
the port can do that. Is the port the cable is plugged into assigned same 
bridge (or switch master port)?


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org  on behalf of 
Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 3:43:13 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: [Ubnt_users] AF5xHD ethernet port limited to auto negotiation

I have several sites out in the field with Powerbox Pro and once I forced poe 
on, it works just fine with af5xHD.

In the office, though, I have weird issues where if a cable is plugged into 
another port (just simply a cable, no other device) it goes from auto (doing 
gig full) to interface up/down constantly and I can't even get the Mikrotik 
bridge to see the af5xhd MAC address.

Now if I set auto negotiation to 10/100 it links just fine (at 100 full).

Looking at the radio interface it doesn't seem that I can set it to gig full.  
I can't change it from auto negotiation.  Am I missing something?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5xHD ethernet port limited to auto negotiation

[Mathew Howard]

We had a port go bad on a Mikrotik the other day, and after we plugged the 
customer's router into a different port, it still wouldn't pass any data until 
I disabled the bad port (actually, I think just removing it from the bridge 
group fixed it)... the only reason I mention that is because there seems to be 
some kind of weird interaction between ports that are bridged together on 
Mikrotiks sometimes.


I'm not sure how nothing more than a cable can cause that sort of a problem 
though... that's pretty strange. Does it change anything if you turn poe off on 
that port?


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org  on behalf of 
Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 4:16:19 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5xHD ethernet port limited to auto negotiation

It happens on two Powerbox Pro units, so I'm guessing a grounding issue or some 
sort of noise in the office.  There are no surge cards in the lab at this point.

Yes - simply the cable in the port.  I plugged in an epmp and it worked just 
fine, but I lost the af5xHD.  If I unplug the cable from the epmp (leaving it 
plugged in on the PB Pro) my problem continues.  If I unplug it from the PB 
Pro, problem goes away...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 5:12 PM Mathew Howard 
mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> wrote:

Most devices won't let turn off auto negotiation on gigabit, but what you can 
do is set it to only advertise gig full (I know you can do this on the Mikrotik 
by just unchecking everything else, and I think you can do it on the af5xhd 
too, but I'm not certain about that). That probably isn't going to fix the 
problem though. I've seen bad ports cause somewhat similar issues on Mikrotiks, 
or even damaged surge suppressors, but I'm not sure how just a cable being in 
the port can do that. Is the port the cable is plugged into assigned same 
bridge (or switch master port)?


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> 
mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>> on behalf 
of Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 3:43:13 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: [Ubnt_users] AF5xHD ethernet port limited to auto negotiation

I have several sites out in the field with Powerbox Pro and once I forced poe 
on, it works just fine with af5xHD.

In the office, though, I have weird issues where if a cable is plugged into 
another port (just simply a cable, no other device) it goes from auto (doing 
gig full) to interface up/down constantly and I can't even get the Mikrotik 
bridge to see the af5xhd MAC address.

Now if I set auto negotiation to 10/100 it links just fine (at 100 full).

Looking at the radio interface it doesn't seem that I can set it to gig full.  
I can't change it from auto negotiation.  Am I missing something?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [Ubnt_users] GPS antenna

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, I have used UBNT GPS antennas on ePMP radios, and the other way around as 
well... no notable problems. I think the GPS antenna that UBNT used on the old 
802.11N GPS radios (the ones that didn't actually work) were incompatible, but 
as far as I can tell the pucks from the Rocket AC and AFx radios are all the 
exact same thing. The pre-PRISM airmax AC radios could be different... I don't 
know, since I never had any.


Cambium does have two different types though - the original round ones and 
square ones that come with the newer radios that support GLONASS... I'm not 
certain if those are completely interchangeable.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org  on behalf of 
RickG 
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 10:54:09 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] GPS antenna

Per UBNT Forums:
https://www.balticnetworks.com/mikrotik-cps-antenna-w-sma-connector.html
https://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=N000900L005A=0
I've used the Cambium units on UBNT and they work fine.

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 4:40 PM Blair Davis 
mailto:the...@wmwisp.net>> wrote:
Anybody know of a replacement GPS antenna for UBNT 2AC units?


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Re: [Ubnt_users] PowerBeam 2AC

[Mathew Howard]

Yes, the feedhorn will fit right into an old dish.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org  on behalf of 
Blair Davis 
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 6:42:27 PM
To: ubnt_users@wispa.org
Subject: [Ubnt_users] PowerBeam 2AC

Does anybody know if the electronics/nosecone of the PB 2AC is physicaly
compatable with the PB 2M?

In other words, can I use the 2AC noses to replace the 2M noses?

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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 designations

[Mathew Howard]

Actually, no... with most radios you would use a 56mhz emmisions designation 
(you're using the 80mhz channel plan, but you are just licensing it as a 56mhz 
channel). Apparently the AF11 just doesn't have a clean enough signal to fit 
within 56mhz, so you have to use the full 80mhz.


>From what I've been told, that's how you have to license an AF11, so if 
>they're being done with a 56mhz emmisions designation, it's wrong.



From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org  on behalf of 
Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 1:41:03 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group; Clay Stewart
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 designations

Running a 56MHz wide channel.  You can't license 56MHz.. it's either
40MHz or 80MHz.  So you license an 80MHz channel, and then use 56MHz of it.

On 2/13/20 2:42 PM, Clay Stewart wrote:
> I see occasionally submissions for AF=11FX links with an Emissions
> Designation of 79M6D7D, which is basically 80Mhz CW. Since the AF-11FX
> has a limit of 56Mhz CW, what are these companies doing?
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