Re: Has any one experienced the bug where you hang up a face time call and you loose all speech

[Gordon]

So a few minutes ago I was on the phone with someone using my ear pods. 
When I hung up the call, voice over was there, but it was very soft in 
my left ear. I turned voice over on and back off and it came back just 
fine. So this phone call bug sounds like a channeling issue when the 
phone goes from phone call back to the duel speakers.


On 9/30/2019 11:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:


Than you are lucky, toggling Voiceover off and back on hasn’t fixed 
this once for me.


The quickest and easiest way is to do a hard reset although I did two 
calls where I had an Audible book playing and I just asked SIRI to 
call somebody and that time after I hung  up my book resumed playing 
and Voiceover was fine. I have to do this a few more times to see if 
this is actually a work-around for this, i.e. that this doesn’t happen 
if a book or music is playing before you start the call, maybe others 
can try it as well.


*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf 
Of *Liel Ben Simon ?? ?

*Sent:* Monday, September 30, 2019 7:56 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Has any one experienced the bug where you hang up a 
face time call and you loose all speech


Hi, I'm getting a lost speech  voiceover. What's  help  me, restart 
voiceover to Presse on the power button,3 times  and my voiceover 
speech has returned to normal behavior.


נשלח מה-iPhoneשלי



‫ב-1 באוק׳ 2019, בשעה 5:47, ‏‏dani pagador‏
כתב/ה:

OK, I get the lose speech thing after I do anything phone-call or
Face-Time related. I just sent off a very angry e-mail telling Apple I
wouldn't promote purchase of the iPhone to any of my friends or in any
of the blindness organizations I belong to till they fix this bug.
It's unacceptable!!!

So … how do you get speech back? I know I could ask a sightling, but
if you don't have one around, then what?

I've tried the power button and the volume up/down and power buttin as
suggested in another message, and nothing works. I know my phone is
active because I can call myself on my parents' landline and the phone
vibrates. But I can't answer the call on the iPhone, so am out of luck
there.

Ideas?

Frustrated,
Dani, sad she can't go back to IOS12

On 9/30/19, 'wui chin Leong' via VIPhone
 wrote:

It is very very enjoying and plus it is a waste of time having
to doo a

force re boot

On Sep 30, 2019, at 5:28 PM, LockwoodND
 wrote:

Yes I am currently experiencing this problem right now.
  happens whenever

someone hangs up a regular phone call or I hang up a phone
call. I don’t

even have to use FaceTime.   afterwords entire phone goes
silent must do a

force restart. It is out rages   updated to 13.1.2 no fix
On Saturday,

September 28, 2019 at 5:11:21 PM UTC-4, wui chin Leong wrote:

Has any one experienced the voice over bug where you
loose all speech

after hanging up a face time call

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RE: Lack of new email notification exchange email iOS 13.1.1

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Same here, badge count is there and so is mail sound.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 8:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lack of new email notification exchange email iOS 13.1.1

I've had no issues like that.
Email sounds are working, and the mail icon still shows the number of unread 
messages.
You may want to double check that badges are on in settings, notifications, 
Mail.

Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.



On Sep 30, 2019, at 8:26 PM, Doug Sloan  wrote:

What I’ve noticed re emails is when on my home page before upgrading to 13.1.1 
if I touched the email icon it used to say how many un read emails I had now it 
just says no new emails when I know that I have un read emails

Cheers
Doug 01-10-2019



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Davy Cuppens
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2019 6:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lack of new email notification exchange email iOS 13.1.1

Yes I can confirm this bug.

From: Todd W
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 9:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lack of new email notification exchange email iOS 13.1.1

Yes, same exact issue with corporate Exchange account.

-Todd

On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 2:16 PM Shai 
mailto:shai...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello,
On my iPhone 8 plus  running iOS 13.1.1, I have noticed that email is
not downloading from our corporate exchange server until I open the
mail app. Once the mail app is opened, I still do not receive a sound
notification that email has arrived.
Is anyone else experiencing difficulty with this?
Thank you in advance for any responses.

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RE: Has any one experienced the bug where you hang up a face time call and you loose all speech

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Than you are lucky, toggling Voiceover off and back on hasn’t fixed this once 
for me.
The quickest and easiest way is to do a hard reset although I did two calls 
where I had an Audible book playing and I just asked SIRI to call somebody and 
that time after I hung  up my book resumed playing and Voiceover was fine. I 
have to do this a few more times to see if this is actually a work-around for 
this, i.e. that this doesn’t happen if a book or music is playing before you 
start the call, maybe others can try it as well.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Liel Ben 
Simon ?? ?
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 7:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Has any one experienced the bug where you hang up a face time call 
and you loose all speech

Hi, I'm getting a lost speech  voiceover. What's  help  me, restart voiceover 
to Presse on the power button,3 times  and my voiceover speech has returned to 
normal behavior.
נשלח מה-iPhone שלי


‫ב-1 באוק׳ 2019, בשעה 5:47, ‏‏dani pagador ‏ כתב/ה:
OK, I get the lose speech thing after I do anything phone-call or
Face-Time related. I just sent off a very angry e-mail telling Apple I
wouldn't promote purchase of the iPhone to any of my friends or in any
of the blindness organizations I belong to till they fix this bug.
It's unacceptable!!!

So … how do you get speech back? I know I could ask a sightling, but
if you don't have one around, then what?

I've tried the power button and the volume up/down and power buttin as
suggested in another message, and nothing works. I know my phone is
active because I can call myself on my parents' landline and the phone
vibrates. But I can't answer the call on the iPhone, so am out of luck
there.

Ideas?

Frustrated,
Dani, sad she can't go back to IOS12

On 9/30/19, 'wui chin Leong' via VIPhone  wrote:

It is very very enjoying and plus it is a waste of time having to doo a
force re boot

On Sep 30, 2019, at 5:28 PM, LockwoodND  wrote:

Yes I am currently experiencing this problem right now.   happens whenever
someone hangs up a regular phone call or I hang up a phone call. I don’t
even have to use FaceTime.   afterwords entire phone goes silent must do a
force restart. It is out rages   updated to 13.1.2 no fix On Saturday,
September 28, 2019 at 5:11:21 PM UTC-4, wui chin Leong wrote:
Has any one experienced the voice over bug where you loose all speech
after hanging up a face time call

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RE: Handwriting feature when entering passcode

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I just tried even though this is not something I usually do, but I can confirm 
that while it sometimes said "not recognized", if I wrote the numbers slowly 
and carefully it sounded like it was entering the numbers, but when I checked 
it still had 0 numbers out of 6 entered. Sounds like a bug, report it to Apple 
Accessibility and hopefully they'll fix it some time.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Christina
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 4:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Handwriting feature when entering passcode

I’m on an iPhone 11. I was wondering if anyone has encountered this problem. I 
can’t enter my unlock passcode with handwriting. It doesn’t seem to recognize 
certain numbers. I’ve always done my passcode this way because it’s more 
discrete because there isn’t as much VO feedback that people around can hear. 
Anyways, I can’t use handwriting anymore for this. And in case you are 
wondering, yes, I’ve rebooted my phone multiple times. I’m on iOS 13.1.1.

Christina

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Re: Problems navigating by line within the composition field of an email message

[Mary Otten]

I will be writing Apple Accessibility, and I hope others will too. The amount 
of things that were discovered in the beta that make it really hard to use this 
OS for daily tasks is astonishing. The fact that they haven’t fixed them is 
what is astonishing. They take all this time on all these fancy Memojis and all 
this stuff that we don’t need, but they can’t make the basic system work for 
everyone.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2019, at 7:07 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  That was reported during the beta cycle; but obviously not fixed yet.
> When you think you can navigate by line, the cursor is not moving, which is 
> really annoying.
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 
> 
> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2019, at 6:14 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>> Since upgrading to iOS 13.1, and then the subsequent smaller upgrades, I 
>> have noticed a problem with not being able to navigate by line within the 
>> compose area of an email message. For example, dictate a small message that 
>> consist of a paragraph or so. Listen to voice over read your message back. 
>> Say you hear a mistake up near the top. Try changing the rotor to lines, and 
>> flick up to go back. It doesn’t work. This is very consistent for me. It 
>> never happened in iOS 12. But it’s happening each and every time I try to 
>> move by line in this context in iOS 13 and all of its iterations.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Lack of new email notification exchange email iOS 13.1.1

[Richard Turner]

I've had no issues like that.
Email sounds are working, and the mail icon still shows the number of unread 
messages.
You may want to double check that badges are on in settings, notifications, 
Mail.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


On Sep 30, 2019, at 8:26 PM, Doug Sloan  wrote:


What I’ve noticed re emails is when on my home page before upgrading to 13.1.1 
if I touched the email icon it used to say how many un read emails I had now it 
just says no new emails when I know that I have un read emails

Cheers
Doug 01-10-2019



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Davy Cuppens
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2019 6:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lack of new email notification exchange email iOS 13.1.1

Yes I can confirm this bug.

From: Todd W
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 9:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lack of new email notification exchange email iOS 13.1.1

Yes, same exact issue with corporate Exchange account.

-Todd

On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 2:16 PM Shai 
mailto:shai...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello,
On my iPhone 8 plus  running iOS 13.1.1, I have noticed that email is
not downloading from our corporate exchange server until I open the
mail app. Once the mail app is opened, I still do not receive a sound
notification that email has arrived.
Is anyone else experiencing difficulty with this?
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RE: Lack of new email notification exchange email iOS 13.1.1

[Doug Sloan]

What I’ve noticed re emails is when on my home page before upgrading to 13.1.1 
if I touched the email icon it used to say how many un read emails I had now it 
just says no new emails when I know that I have un read emails

 

Cheers

Doug 01-10-2019

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Davy Cuppens
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2019 6:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lack of new email notification exchange email iOS 13.1.1

 

Yes I can confirm this bug.

 

From: Todd W   

Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 9:01 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Subject: Re: Lack of new email notification exchange email iOS 13.1.1

 

Yes, same exact issue with corporate Exchange account.

 

-Todd

 

On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 2:16 PM Shai mailto:shai...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hello,
On my iPhone 8 plus  running iOS 13.1.1, I have noticed that email is
not downloading from our corporate exchange server until I open the
mail app. Once the mail app is opened, I still do not receive a sound
notification that email has arrived.
Is anyone else experiencing difficulty with this?
Thank you in advance for any responses.

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Re: Silence Unknown Callers is great!

[Arlene]

We not only get some of those scam likely calls on our iphones, but we also get 
these calls on our button phones, not our landline. Since we never answer those 
calls we don't get as many as we use too. Is there any way to change it or stop 
the calls?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Andy Baracco 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 2:48 PM
  Subject: Re: Silence Unknown Callers is great!


  When my paratransit provider calls, the phone will say "scam likely. The 
result could be a missed ride. i can't take that chance.

  Andy

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 12:23 PM
Subject: RE: Silence Unknown Callers is great!


I like the way this is implemented on Android somewhat better though and 
for that reason I haven’t implemented it on my Iphone although I’d like to.

On Android, it doesn’t block all unknown callers but blocks those that 
might have spam characteristics. I had a lot of calls in my recents on that 
phone, a few of which were spam. It identified them all correctly. 

But I do get some legitimate calls from people I haven’t bothered to add to 
my contacts because they don’t call much, usually related to some event I’m 
part of or whatever, and they’re definitely not spam. So I feel like this is 
too global. Another example of calls I get are from state agencies which mask 
their numbers using other numbers. No idea why, it’s totally supid, and I can 
recognize them even if they’ve never used that number before, but it makes it 
impossible to enter them in your contacts because they never call from the real 
number. 

On my Android phone, it was able to determine that these weren’t spam, but 
if they were, I could make a rule for that and they’d probably all be. 

So I hope that Apple will get more sophisticated about this over time 
because I like the concept.

 

 

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Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 10:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Silence Unknown Callers is great!

 

I know some have complained loudly and persistently about iOS13, but if it 
added nothing but the silence unknown callers, it is completely worth it to me.

 

I was checking my recent calls  list for a completely unrelated issue and 
there was a number I did not recognize from another State.  It happened at a 
time I was using Voice Dream Reader and I had no idea a call had happened.

They didn’t leave a voice mail, so as I do with such things, I blocked the 
number.

 

But, I did not get interrupted, which is fabulous in my book.

I have received an increasing number of robo calls in the last 6 months, so 
this is worth any other issues to me.

 

Just my 2¢ worth.

 

Richard

 

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Re: Has any one experienced the bug where you hang up a face time call and you loose all speech

[Liel Ben Simonליאל בן סימון]

Hi, I'm getting a lost speech  voiceover. What's  help  me, restart voiceover 
to Presse on the power button,3 times  and my voiceover speech has returned to 
normal behavior.

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> ‫ב-1 באוק׳ 2019, בשעה 5:47, ‏‏dani pagador ‏ כתב/ה:‬
> 
> OK, I get the lose speech thing after I do anything phone-call or
> Face-Time related. I just sent off a very angry e-mail telling Apple I
> wouldn't promote purchase of the iPhone to any of my friends or in any
> of the blindness organizations I belong to till they fix this bug.
> It's unacceptable!!!
> 
> So … how do you get speech back? I know I could ask a sightling, but
> if you don't have one around, then what?
> 
> I've tried the power button and the volume up/down and power buttin as
> suggested in another message, and nothing works. I know my phone is
> active because I can call myself on my parents' landline and the phone
> vibrates. But I can't answer the call on the iPhone, so am out of luck
> there.
> 
> Ideas?
> 
> Frustrated,
> Dani, sad she can't go back to IOS12
> 
>> On 9/30/19, 'wui chin Leong' via VIPhone  wrote:
>> It is very very enjoying and plus it is a waste of time having to doo a
>> force re boot
>> 
 On Sep 30, 2019, at 5:28 PM, LockwoodND  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes I am currently experiencing this problem right now.   happens whenever
>>> someone hangs up a regular phone call or I hang up a phone call. I don’t
>>> even have to use FaceTime.   afterwords entire phone goes silent must do a
>>> force restart. It is out rages   updated to 13.1.2 no fix On Saturday,
>>> September 28, 2019 at 5:11:21 PM UTC-4, wui chin Leong wrote:
 Has any one experienced the voice over bug where you loose all speech
 after hanging up a face time call
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Re: Has any one experienced the bug where you hang up a face time call and you loose all speech

[dani pagador]

OK, I get the lose speech thing after I do anything phone-call or
Face-Time related. I just sent off a very angry e-mail telling Apple I
wouldn't promote purchase of the iPhone to any of my friends or in any
of the blindness organizations I belong to till they fix this bug.
It's unacceptable!!!

So … how do you get speech back? I know I could ask a sightling, but
if you don't have one around, then what?

I've tried the power button and the volume up/down and power buttin as
suggested in another message, and nothing works. I know my phone is
active because I can call myself on my parents' landline and the phone
vibrates. But I can't answer the call on the iPhone, so am out of luck
there.

Ideas?

 Frustrated,
Dani, sad she can't go back to IOS12

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> It is very very enjoying and plus it is a waste of time having to doo a
> force re boot
>
>> On Sep 30, 2019, at 5:28 PM, LockwoodND  wrote:
>>
>> Yes I am currently experiencing this problem right now.   happens whenever
>> someone hangs up a regular phone call or I hang up a phone call. I don’t
>> even have to use FaceTime.   afterwords entire phone goes silent must do a
>> force restart. It is out rages   updated to 13.1.2 no fix On Saturday,
>> September 28, 2019 at 5:11:21 PM UTC-4, wui chin Leong wrote:
>>> Has any one experienced the voice over bug where you loose all speech
>>> after hanging up a face time call
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Re: Problems navigating by line within the composition field of an email message

[Richard Turner]

That was reported during the beta cycle; but obviously not fixed yet.
When you think you can navigate by line, the cursor is not moving, which is 
really annoying.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


On Sep 30, 2019, at 6:14 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Since upgrading to iOS 13.1, and then the subsequent smaller upgrades, I have 
noticed a problem with not being able to navigate by line within the compose 
area of an email message. For example, dictate a small message that consist of 
a paragraph or so. Listen to voice over read your message back. Say you hear a 
mistake up near the top. Try changing the rotor to lines, and flick up to go 
back. It doesn’t work. This is very consistent for me. It never happened in iOS 
12. But it’s happening each and every time I try to move by line in this 
context in iOS 13 and all of its iterations.
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Re: Problems navigating by line within the composition field of an email message

[Liel Ben Simonליאל בן סימון]

hi, i'am Encountering this problem. When i typ sentence i can't go back one 
line with the rotor.
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‫ב-1 באוק׳ 2019, בשעה 4:22, ‏‏Feliciano Godoy ‏ 
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Hi,
I’m having the same issue on iOS 13.1.2 where I cannot navigate by line using 
the rotor when composing an email. Line function isn’t on rotor. However, when 
replying to an email, I can successfully do that.

Feliciano
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On Sep 30, 2019, at 6:14 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Since upgrading to iOS 13.1, and then the subsequent smaller upgrades, I have 
noticed a problem with not being able to navigate by line within the compose 
area of an email message. For example, dictate a small message that consist of 
a paragraph or so. Listen to voice over read your message back. Say you hear a 
mistake up near the top. Try changing the rotor to lines, and flick up to go 
back. It doesn’t work. This is very consistent for me. It never happened in iOS 
12. But it’s happening each and every time I try to move by line in this 
context in iOS 13 and all of its iterations.
Mary


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Re: Problems navigating by line within the composition field of an email message

[Mary Otten]

Wow! I tried replying to your message using my older iPhone which has been 
updated. What a mess. Navigation is really hit or miss. Lines are sort of not 
spoken correctly. I don’t know if there’s something set on my phone that I 
should change. But it’s a total mess trying to navigate. Even when I navigated 
by line seemingly successfully, when I switched to word, I got the bonk sound 
from voiceover. Totally random strangeness.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2019, at 6:22 PM, Feliciano Godoy  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I’m having the same issue on iOS 13.1.2 where I cannot navigate by line using 
> the rotor when composing an email. Line function isn’t on rotor. However, 
> when replying to an email, I can successfully do that.
> 
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>> On Sep 30, 2019, at 6:14 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Since upgrading to iOS 13.1, and then the subsequent smaller upgrades, I 
>> have noticed a problem with not being able to navigate by line within the 
>> compose area of an email message. For example, dictate a small message that 
>> consist of a paragraph or so. Listen to voice over read your message back. 
>> Say you hear a mistake up near the top. Try changing the rotor to lines, and 
>> flick up to go back. It doesn’t work. This is very consistent for me. It 
>> never happened in iOS 12. But it’s happening each and every time I try to 
>> move by line in this context in iOS 13 and all of its iterations.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
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RE: problem connecting my iPad mini to my apple account

[Robert Wright]

You did double check each field that you entered the numbers in to make sure 
that each field has one number?

**If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the 
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From: Donald Raikes
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 1:01 PM
To: viphone
Subject: problem connecting my iPad mini to my apple account

Hi,

I have recently acquired an iPad mini from work, and I want to sign-in
on it to my apple account so I can synch with icloud etc.

When I go to settings and signin to icloud,  I enter my apple id and
opassword, then  I am asked to enter a confirmation code that was sent
to my iPhone.  I got the 6-digit code on my iPhone, but when I enter
the 6 digits on the iPad, there is no ok button or next button to
finish the process, all there is is a "didn't get code" and "cancel"
buttons.

What am I doing wrong?

BTW: this is iPadOS 13.1.2.

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Re: Problems navigating by line within the composition field of an email message

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Hi,
 I’m having the same issue on iOS 13.1.2 where I cannot navigate by line using 
the rotor when composing an email. Line function isn’t on rotor. However, when 
replying to an email, I can successfully do that.

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> On Sep 30, 2019, at 6:14 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> Since upgrading to iOS 13.1, and then the subsequent smaller upgrades, I 
> have noticed a problem with not being able to navigate by line within the 
> compose area of an email message. For example, dictate a small message that 
> consist of a paragraph or so. Listen to voice over read your message back. 
> Say you hear a mistake up near the top. Try changing the rotor to lines, and 
> flick up to go back. It doesn’t work. This is very consistent for me. It 
> never happened in iOS 12. But it’s happening each and every time I try to 
> move by line in this context in iOS 13 and all of its iterations.
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Problems navigating by line within the composition field of an email message

[Mary Otten]

Since upgrading to iOS 13.1, and then the subsequent smaller upgrades, I have 
noticed a problem with not being able to navigate by line within the compose 
area of an email message. For example, dictate a small message that consist of 
a paragraph or so. Listen to voice over read your message back. Say you hear a 
mistake up near the top. Try changing the rotor to lines, and flick up to go 
back. It doesn’t work. This is very consistent for me. It never happened in iOS 
12. But it’s happening each and every time I try to move by line in this 
context in iOS 13 and all of its iterations.
Mary


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Re: Format options replacing reader mode button in iOS 13

[Mary Otten]

Thanks for that clarification.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2019, at 5:23 PM, Christina  wrote:
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>> I think he means the actions rotor/actions menu. Put VO focus on the format 
>> options button and then swipe up.
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Re: Format options replacing reader mode button in iOS 13

[Mary Otten]

It’s not swiping up and down. It’s that you first have to go find the setting 
and then swipe up and down. It’s not hard, at least not for some people. But 
it’s in efficient. It was super efficient before, now it isn’t. I know they’re 
not going to put it back the way it was, because they’ve added a bunch of stuff 
that we don’t need like all this fun crap. But the sighted people rule and they 
apparently want it. So we are stuck with one more little inefficiency.

Sent from my iPhone

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>  Well, I don’t know what to to tell you. I like the Settings inside format. 
> It’s more robust. if swiping up or down is difficult, double tap and find the 
> setting. different strokes for different folks. 
> 
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>>> On Sep 30, 2019, at 5:17 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>  I guess that’s another way of getting the job done, but I don’t see it as 
>> being any more efficient then doing two double taps. Depending on where you 
>> are in the rotor and where you have to get to to get to this option, it 
>> could actually take more time, plus a lot of people do have some difficulty 
>> with the rotor gesture. I think it’s the one that gives the most people the 
>> most trouble when they are learning and using voiceover. I think it’s just 
>> sad that they buried this most useful feature with format options. Boo hiss 
>> on Apple for that one.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2019, at 4:21 PM, Feliciano Godoy  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> It’s easy if you use the rotor.
>>> VoiceOver screen reader users, on iOS 13 with Safari, quickly access reader 
>>> view on a webpage by locating format and perform a single finger swipe up 
>>> to reader view and double tap. Same to hide reader view.  
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 On Sep 30, 2019, at 4:14 PM, Christina  wrote:
 
  I find the extra step annoying. Another place where I now have an extra 
 step is in the messages app. On the main screen with a list of text 
 conversations, I used to double tap edit, then go to the bottom of the 
 screen and double tap read all. Now I have an extra step and it’s annoying.
 
 Christina
 
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> 
>  For what it is worth, I agree with you Mary.
> If you have it on in Safari settings, and find a page in't working right, 
> you can go to that format button and there is a hide reader view button.
> But, it was easier the old way.
> Maybe if enough people write Apple and request it, we could have a Reader 
> button and a format button.
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 28, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> With iOS 13, the reader mode button is gone on webpages. Now, there is 
>> a format options in its place. You have to activate that, then find 
>> reader, and activate that. That’s two steps instead of one. A step back 
>> in my view. Is there a way to get it back the way it used to be? I don’t 
>> care about the other format options. I realize others probably do, and 
>> that’s why they are there. But all I want is the reader mode. I know you 
>> can go into settings for Safari and have it turn reader mode to be 
>> always on for all websites. But reader mode is not appropriate for all 
>> websites. So I turned it on and I will see how it goes. But I suspect it 
>> is going to be problematic on sites where there isn’t and shouldn’t be a 
>> reader mode option. Sometimes, I think they make things more complicated 
>> than they need to be.
>> Mary
>> 
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Re: Has any one experienced the bug where you hang up a face time call and you loose all speech

['wui chin Leong' via VIPhone]

It is very very enjoying and plus it is a waste of time having to doo a force 
re boot

> On Sep 30, 2019, at 5:28 PM, LockwoodND  wrote:
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> Yes I am currently experiencing this problem right now.   happens whenever 
> someone hangs up a regular phone call or I hang up a phone call. I don’t even 
> have to use FaceTime.   afterwords entire phone goes silent must do a force 
> restart. It is out rages   updated to 13.1.2 no fix On Saturday, September 
> 28, 2019 at 5:11:21 PM UTC-4, wui chin Leong wrote:
>> Has any one experienced the voice over bug where you loose all speech  after 
>> hanging up a face time call
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Re: Format options replacing reader mode button in iOS 13

[Feliciano Godoy]

Well, I don’t know what to to tell you. I like the Settings inside format. It’s 
more robust. if swiping up or down is difficult, double tap and find the 
setting. different strokes for different folks.


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On Sep 30, 2019, at 5:17 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

 I guess that’s another way of getting the job done, but I don’t see it as 
being any more efficient then doing two double taps. Depending on where you are 
in the rotor and where you have to get to to get to this option, it could 
actually take more time, plus a lot of people do have some difficulty with the 
rotor gesture. I think it’s the one that gives the most people the most trouble 
when they are learning and using voiceover. I think it’s just sad that they 
buried this most useful feature with format options. Boo hiss on Apple for that 
one.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 30, 2019, at 4:21 PM, Feliciano Godoy  wrote:



Hi,
It’s easy if you use the rotor.
VoiceOver screen reader users, on iOS 13 with Safari, quickly access reader 
view on a webpage by locating format and perform a single finger swipe up to 
reader view and double tap. Same to hide reader view.
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On Sep 30, 2019, at 4:14 PM, Christina  wrote:

 I find the extra step annoying. Another place where I now have an extra step 
is in the messages app. On the main screen with a list of text conversations, I 
used to double tap edit, then go to the bottom of the screen and double tap 
read all. Now I have an extra step and it’s annoying.

Christina

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 28, 2019, at 5:51 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

 For what it is worth, I agree with you Mary.
If you have it on in Safari settings, and find a page in't working right, you 
can go to that format button and there is a hide reader view button.
But, it was easier the old way.
Maybe if enough people write Apple and request it, we could have a Reader 
button and a format button.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


On Sep 28, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

With iOS 13, the reader mode button is gone on webpages. Now, there is a 
format options in its place. You have to activate that, then find reader, and 
activate that. That’s two steps instead of one. A step back in my view. Is 
there a way to get it back the way it used to be? I don’t care about the other 
format options. I realize others probably do, and that’s why they are there. 
But all I want is the reader mode. I know you can go into settings for Safari 
and have it turn reader mode to be always on for all websites. But reader mode 
is not appropriate for all websites. So I turned it on and I will see how it 
goes. But I suspect it is going to be problematic on sites where there isn’t 
and shouldn’t be a reader mode option. Sometimes, I think they make things more 
complicated than they need to be.
Mary


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Re: Facial recognition

[Christina]

Try holding the phone further away from your face. Also, make sure your phone 
is in portrait not landscape. I also think resetting up your face ID can be 
helpful. I had trouble with my first face ID, then I got sighted help the 
second go around.

Sent from my iPhone

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> 
> Hello everyone,
> I have upgraded from an iPhone 8 to an iPhone 11.
> I have set up face ID more than once.
> However, when attempting to unlock my phone, it never recognizes my face, and 
> I must enter my passcode. Now, this is not the end of the world, but is there 
> anything anyone can suggest to help make face ID function as it should?
> Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!
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Re: Format options replacing reader mode button in iOS 13

[Christina]

> I think he means the actions rotor/actions menu. Put VO focus on the format 
> options button and then swipe up.

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Re: Format options replacing reader mode button in iOS 13

[Mary Otten]

I guess that’s another way of getting the job done, but I don’t see it as being 
any more efficient then doing two double taps. Depending on where you are in 
the rotor and where you have to get to to get to this option, it could actually 
take more time, plus a lot of people do have some difficulty with the rotor 
gesture. I think it’s the one that gives the most people the most trouble when 
they are learning and using voiceover. I think it’s just sad that they buried 
this most useful feature with format options. Boo hiss on Apple for that one.


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> On Sep 30, 2019, at 4:21 PM, Feliciano Godoy  
> wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> Hi,
> It’s easy if you use the rotor.
> VoiceOver screen reader users, on iOS 13 with Safari, quickly access reader 
> view on a webpage by locating format and perform a single finger swipe up to 
> reader view and double tap. Same to hide reader view.  
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>>> On Sep 30, 2019, at 4:14 PM, Christina  wrote:
>>> 
>>  I find the extra step annoying. Another place where I now have an extra 
>> step is in the messages app. On the main screen with a list of text 
>> conversations, I used to double tap edit, then go to the bottom of the 
>> screen and double tap read all. Now I have an extra step and it’s annoying.
>> 
>> Christina
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 28, 2019, at 5:51 PM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  For what it is worth, I agree with you Mary.
>>> If you have it on in Safari settings, and find a page in't working right, 
>>> you can go to that format button and there is a hide reader view button.
>>> But, it was easier the old way.
>>> Maybe if enough people write Apple and request it, we could have a Reader 
>>> button and a format button.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 28, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 With iOS 13, the reader mode button is gone on webpages. Now, there is a 
 format options in its place. You have to activate that, then find reader, 
 and activate that. That’s two steps instead of one. A step back in my 
 view. Is there a way to get it back the way it used to be? I don’t care 
 about the other format options. I realize others probably do, and that’s 
 why they are there. But all I want is the reader mode. I know you can go 
 into settings for Safari and have it turn reader mode to be always on for 
 all websites. But reader mode is not appropriate for all websites. So I 
 turned it on and I will see how it goes. But I suspect it is going to be 
 problematic on sites where there isn’t and shouldn’t be a reader mode 
 option. Sometimes, I think they make things more complicated than they 
 need to be.
 Mary
 
 
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Re: Has any one experienced the bug where you hang up a face time call and you loose all speech

[LockwoodND]

Yes I am currently experiencing this problem right now.   happens whenever 
someone hangs up a regular phone call or I hang up a phone call. I don’t even 
have to use FaceTime.   afterwords entire phone goes silent must do a force 
restart. It is out rages   updated to 13.1.2 no fix On Saturday, September 28, 
2019 at 5:11:21 PM UTC-4, wui chin Leong wrote:
> Has any one experienced the voice over bug where you loose all speech  after 
> hanging up a face time call

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Re: Format options replacing reader mode button in iOS 13

[Feliciano Godoy]

Hi,
It’s easy if you use the rotor.
VoiceOver screen reader users, on iOS 13 with Safari, quickly access reader 
view on a webpage by locating format and perform a single finger swipe up to 
reader view and double tap. Same to hide reader view.
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On Sep 30, 2019, at 4:14 PM, Christina  wrote:

 I find the extra step annoying. Another place where I now have an extra step 
is in the messages app. On the main screen with a list of text conversations, I 
used to double tap edit, then go to the bottom of the screen and double tap 
read all. Now I have an extra step and it’s annoying.

Christina

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 28, 2019, at 5:51 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

 For what it is worth, I agree with you Mary.
If you have it on in Safari settings, and find a page in't working right, you 
can go to that format button and there is a hide reader view button.
But, it was easier the old way.
Maybe if enough people write Apple and request it, we could have a Reader 
button and a format button.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


On Sep 28, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

With iOS 13, the reader mode button is gone on webpages. Now, there is a 
format options in its place. You have to activate that, then find reader, and 
activate that. That’s two steps instead of one. A step back in my view. Is 
there a way to get it back the way it used to be? I don’t care about the other 
format options. I realize others probably do, and that’s why they are there. 
But all I want is the reader mode. I know you can go into settings for Safari 
and have it turn reader mode to be always on for all websites. But reader mode 
is not appropriate for all websites. So I turned it on and I will see how it 
goes. But I suspect it is going to be problematic on sites where there isn’t 
and shouldn’t be a reader mode option. Sometimes, I think they make things more 
complicated than they need to be.
Mary


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Handwriting feature when entering passcode

[Christina]

I’m on an iPhone 11. I was wondering if anyone has encountered this problem. I 
can’t enter my unlock passcode with handwriting. It doesn’t seem to recognize 
certain numbers. I’ve always done my passcode this way because it’s more 
discrete because there isn’t as much VO feedback that people around can hear. 
Anyways, I can’t use handwriting anymore for this. And in case you are 
wondering, yes, I’ve rebooted my phone multiple times. I’m on iOS 13.1.1.

Christina

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RE: Is there a way to delete all messages in a folder with the Exchange server using the native iPhone email program? another question for the list.

[Albert Ruel]

Kevin, I see that I might not have answered your question about answering 
directly to an individual on the GTTSupport list, so here goes.  

1. Check the bottom of each message to see if there is a Reply to Sender link.  
If there is, click on it and you'll be sending your reply directly to that 
person and nobody else.  
2. If you use JAWS you can bring focus to the From Line when you have an open 
message that you want to reply to.  JAWS allows you to do that by holding down 
the Insert Key and pressing the Number One on the number row twice quickly, or 
you can Shift Tab to that Line from any open message.  
3. Now you can select all that is in the From Line by holding down the Control 
Key and pressing the letter A, then copy it to the clipboard with Control C.  
4. Now start the Reply process by holding down the Control Key and pressing the 
letter R.  That will land you in the body of the message, where I paste the 
text with Control V.  The text should contain the List email address as well as 
the individual who originated the message.  Edit that text to remove all but 
the person's email address.  
5. Now cut the remaining text to the clipboard with Control X, then Shift Tab 
back to the To Line and paste the person's email address.  
6. Tab back to the body of the message and type your reply.  

Thx, Albert


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Subject: Re: Is there a way to delete all messages in a folder with the 
Exchange server using the native iPhone email program? another question for the 
list.

Hi Albert.

Thanks for the help. I haven't tried it yet, but I'm sure it will work.

I do have another question regarding the native iOS mail app. Is there a way to 
just reply to a sender of a message rather than sending it to the whole list? 
If there is, I'd like to know so I don't have to send thank you messages to the 
list, but I can send them to the individual helper.

Kevin and Jilly


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2019, at 1:53 PM, Albert Ruel  wrote:
> 
> Using the iPhone’s native mail app you can open the trash or deleted items 
> box, double tap on edit, then take your focus to the very bottom of the 
> screen where you will find a delete all button.
> 
> Thx, Albert
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 27, 2019, at 8:05 AM, Kevin Minor  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhoneHi.
> 
> I’m still a neophite when it comes to using the mail app on the iPhone X. I 
> encountered something that I can’t figueare out how to do, and I’m hoping 
> there’s a way to do this.  I have over 150,000 messages in my Microsoft 
> Exchange inbox. I go through a lot of them each day, deleting most of them. 
> Of course, they go into the Trash folder. Is there a way to delete all of 
> them at once? If there were just a few messages, this wouldn’t be a problem, 
> but when you get around 2,000 messages in there, deleting one message at a 
> time can get a bit tedious. What makes this situation even more fun is I get 
> about 300 messages a day, and just leaving all of that in the Trash builds up 
> really fast. I can go to outlook on my PC and delete all of them at once, but 
> I’m hoping I can do this on my iPhone and not have to worry about using the 
> PC at all. If someone knows how to do this, please let me know. Oh yeah, I’m 
> using a Focus 40 Blue fifth generation with my iPhone, so I’d like to use it 
> to do this if possible.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any help.
> 
> Have a blessed day and don’t work toohard.
> Kevin and Jilly
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Re: Format options replacing reader mode button in iOS 13

[Christina]

I find the extra step annoying. Another place where I now have an extra step is 
in the messages app. On the main screen with a list of text conversations, I 
used to double tap edit, then go to the bottom of the screen and double tap 
read all. Now I have an extra step and it’s annoying.

Christina

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2019, at 5:51 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  For what it is worth, I agree with you Mary.
> If you have it on in Safari settings, and find a page in't working right, you 
> can go to that format button and there is a hide reader view button.
> But, it was easier the old way.
> Maybe if enough people write Apple and request it, we could have a Reader 
> button and a format button.
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 
> 
> 
>>> On Sep 28, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>> With iOS 13, the reader mode button is gone on webpages. Now, there is a 
>> format options in its place. You have to activate that, then find reader, 
>> and activate that. That’s two steps instead of one. A step back in my view. 
>> Is there a way to get it back the way it used to be? I don’t care about the 
>> other format options. I realize others probably do, and that’s why they are 
>> there. But all I want is the reader mode. I know you can go into settings 
>> for Safari and have it turn reader mode to be always on for all websites. 
>> But reader mode is not appropriate for all websites. So I turned it on and I 
>> will see how it goes. But I suspect it is going to be problematic on sites 
>> where there isn’t and shouldn’t be a reader mode option. Sometimes, I think 
>> they make things more complicated than they need to be.
>> Mary
>> 
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For those who use Loadstone, the iOS 13 bug is fixed

[Richard Turner]

>From the App Store:
Version 1.5, 2d ago, This is a maintanence release to address problems with iOS 
13 and 13.1. * A bug that would cause no GPS signal to be received has been 
fixed. * A bug that would cause some buttons on the navigation screen to be 
labled as "button" has been fixed. * A bug that could cause databases not to 
import or other background downloads not to work has been fixed.


Richard

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Re: Question About 3D Touch

[Anna Dresner]

Hello Shirley,

Most icons on the home screen have extra actions available if you use 3D touch 
on them. If your phone has 3D touch, you can press them. If not, touch one, and 
double-tap and hold. Or on any device, flick up or down to Context Menu and 
double-tap to open the same menu of choices.

Best,
Anna




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> What does it mean when it says use 3D touch to show home screen actions?
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Question About 3D Touch

[Shirley Baker]

What does it mean when it says use 3D touch to show home screen actions?

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Re: Going to upgrade my phone soon

[Feliciano Godoy]

I would not recommend you to get an iPhone 7. Keep in mind that the iPhone 8 
will be supportive for three more years. apple’s trend has been that iOS 
updates only run for five years after the phone is released. I say iPhone 11 
per your needs.

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On Sep 30, 2019, at 11:08 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  
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Hi Allen and all, thank you for all the information and suggestions.  I 
will look into this.  I will have to decide rather soon as my 6s is getting 
tired.  Thanks again, Andy and Shubert

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 12:04 PM
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Subject: RE: Going to upgrade my phone soon

I completely agree with Alan, you should definitely get the iPhone 11 and just 
learn to deal with a device with no home button, it’s not as if the home button 
will be back in a year or two and eventually you have to learn how to use one 
which doesn’t have it.
As for Touch Id, well, it sounds like maybe we may see devices in a year or two 
or three which have both Face Id and the option of Touch Id, but I wouldn’t 
hold my breath and I think if Face Id is setup properly you will have little 
trouble with it especially on the iPhone 11 where it works at even greater 
angles and faster.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 8:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Going to upgrade my phone soon

Andy,

You should focus on which features you really want or which ones you'd rather 
not deal with before making an iPhone upgrade decision. For example, if you 
really want a home button, your choices are the iPhone 7 or 8. If you don't 
want to deal with face ID, your choices are also the iPhone 7 or 8. If face ID 
is not an issue and you plan to get a new iPhone with 256GB of memory, I'd 
recommend the 11 instead of the XR simply because it is the latest model with 
the most power and will work longer into the future than older models. Be aware 
that the newer model phones are continuing to get larger however so you might 
visit a store where you can put your hands on one to ensure its size won't be a 
problem.

Good luck with your upgrade decision.

Alan Lemly

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Subject: Going to upgrade my phone soon

Hello All, I am currently using the Iphone 6s which has 128gigs.  Which phone 
would any of you recommend to upgrade to?  I will look for believe the phones 
with 256 gigs as I don’t want to worry about adding apps and deleting them.  I 
also have 5 grand children and have tons of videos that is sent to me via txt 
and tons of audible books that I want to keep on the phone.  I know Richard 
recommended the 8s or something.  The other wish is to get a phone that is not 
too big as I don’t need to see anything but to use gestures...I am totally 
blind.  Thank you so much for all this list does for people.  Andy and Shubert
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Re: IOS 13.1.2

[Feliciano Godoy]

Hi,
Updated to iOS 13.1.2 and my voiceover screen reader intermittently lose his 
speech after hanging up a FaceTime audio call.

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> On Sep 30, 2019, at 11:20 AM, Larry Smith  wrote:
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> IOS 13.1.2 is now available. I just installed it. So I don’t know everything 
> that has been fixed with voiceover. However, I believe that accessing the 
> status bar by touching the top of the screen is now much better. I am using 
> an iPhone 11 pro max and iPad Pro.
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Re: Where did my list of Siri shortcuts go?

[Anna Dresner]

Siri suggestions are in the Gallery tab in the Shortcuts app, and the shortcuts 
you have created are in the Library tab.

Best,
Anna




> On Sep 29, 2019, at 2:36 PM, Richard Turner  
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> 
> I had the same experience. They are now in the Shortcuts app.
> They are not as neatly organized to me.
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2019, at 12:31 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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>> I updated my iPhone 7 Plus iOS 13.1 and then to 13.1.1. I wanted to go and 
>> see my list of Siri shortcuts which migrated from 12.4. I open settings and 
>> then found Siri and search. The shortcuts used to be in there. They aren’t 
>> anymore. They still work, but where can I find the entire list? That same 
>> list used to have suggestions based on apps you recently used, which is 
>> really why I was looking for it. What happened to it?
>> Mary
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Problem when on a call

[Terri Stimmel]

Hello everyone,


I have a problem happening, when on a call. I do not know if I can do 
anything about it. But I am curious to know if anyone else is dealing 
with this.


I just recently updated my 10 XR, to the latest version. While I have 
had some small bugs here and there, it's all gone rather smoothly for me.


However, if I am on a call, and I receive another call, I am no longer 
being alerted to who is calling.


Is anyone else experiencing this?

Is there anything I could do to correct this issue?


I went and made sure that my caller ID setting was still set on always. 
And I also checked 1 other thing. But at the moment, I can't remember 
what it was. Everything was still set the same. So I don't understand 
what is going on.

Is this just a bug I will have to put up with for a while?


Thank you in advance for any thoughts or advice.


Terri

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Re: Lack of new email notification exchange email iOS 13.1.1

[Davy Cuppens]

Yes I can confirm this bug.

From: Todd W 
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 9:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Lack of new email notification exchange email iOS 13.1.1

Yes, same exact issue with corporate Exchange account.

-Todd

On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 2:16 PM Shai  wrote:

  Hello,
  On my iPhone 8 plus  running iOS 13.1.1, I have noticed that email is
  not downloading from our corporate exchange server until I open the
  mail app. Once the mail app is opened, I still do not receive a sound
  notification that email has arrived.
  Is anyone else experiencing difficulty with this?
  Thank you in advance for any responses.

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Re: disappearing documents after saving with voice dream scanner

[Richard Turner]

If he did not pay attention to where he chose to save it, he may have to scan 
it again.
If he does not have Voice Dream Reader, it likely offered to save as PDF, then 
you have to choose where to save it, or where to send it via email, text, etc.
The scanner app has no storage ability itself.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


On Sep 30, 2019, at 12:21 PM, Duane Steele  wrote:

 I'm not sure if you have created folders in Voice Dream Reader.  But whether 
you have or have not, you can check where it says All Items under filters, and 
whatever has been scanned and saved from the Voice Dream Scanner should be 
there.  Under settings, you can also go to contact us and the APP developers 
will get back to you within 24 hours.


Peace & Blessings,
Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194

On Sep 30, 2019, at 2:52 PM, Ian Robinson 
mailto:ian...@hotmail.co.uk>> wrote:

Hi Paula,

I would expect the file to be stored in Voice Dream Reader.  If VDR isn’t 
installed, then I’ve no idea what happens.

Regards.

Ian


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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Paul 
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Subject: disappearing documents after saving with voice dream scanner

Hi.  The message says it all.  I have a friend who purchased voice dream 
scanner and scanned a document.  He saved it, but can’t find it now.  Where do 
documents go when you don’t specify where you want them saved?  Thanks.
God bless!
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Re: disappearing documents after saving with voice dream scanner

[Duane Steele]

I'm not sure if you have created folders in Voice Dream Reader.  But whether 
you have or have not, you can check where it says All Items under filters, and 
whatever has been scanned and saved from the Voice Dream Scanner should be 
there.  Under settings, you can also go to contact us and the APP developers 
will get back to you within 24 hours.


Peace & Blessings,
Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194

> On Sep 30, 2019, at 2:52 PM, Ian Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Hi Paula,
>  
> I would expect the file to be stored in Voice Dream Reader.  If VDR isn’t 
> installed, then I’ve no idea what happens.
>  
> Regards.
>  
> Ian
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Paul 
> and Paula Jordan
> Sent: 30 September 2019 16:47
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: disappearing documents after saving with voice dream scanner
>  
> Hi.  The message says it all.  I have a friend who purchased voice dream 
> scanner and scanned a document.  He saved it, but can’t find it now.  Where 
> do documents go when you don’t specify where you want them saved?  Thanks.
> God bless!
> Paula and Garçon
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Re: Lack of new email notification exchange email iOS 13.1.1

[Todd W]

I just installed the 13.1.2 update and it seems to have corrected the
Exchange account updating issue.  I can’t say as it fixes your notification
issue since I don’t have notifications turned on for this particular
account.  You may want to take a look at the notifications for the specific
e-mail account in question as each account can have specific notifications.

-Todd

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 3:01 PM Todd W  wrote:

> Yes, same exact issue with corporate Exchange account.
>
> -Todd
>
> On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 2:16 PM Shai  wrote:
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>> Hello,
>> On my iPhone 8 plus  running iOS 13.1.1, I have noticed that email is
>> not downloading from our corporate exchange server until I open the
>> mail app. Once the mail app is opened, I still do not receive a sound
>> notification that email has arrived.
>> Is anyone else experiencing difficulty with this?
>> Thank you in advance for any responses.
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problem connecting my iPad mini to my apple account

[Donald Raikes]

Hi,

I have recently acquired an iPad mini from work, and I want to sign-in
on it to my apple account so I can synch with icloud etc.

When I go to settings and signin to icloud,  I enter my apple id and
opassword, then  I am asked to enter a confirmation code that was sent
to my iPhone.  I got the 6-digit code on my iPhone, but when I enter
the 6 digits on the iPad, there is no ok button or next button to
finish the process, all there is is a "didn't get code" and "cancel"
buttons.

What am I doing wrong?

BTW: this is iPadOS 13.1.2.

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Re: Lack of new email notification exchange email iOS 13.1.1

[Todd W]

Yes, same exact issue with corporate Exchange account.

-Todd

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> On my iPhone 8 plus  running iOS 13.1.1, I have noticed that email is
> not downloading from our corporate exchange server until I open the
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> notification that email has arrived.
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RE: disappearing documents after saving with voice dream scanner

[Ian Robinson]

Hi Paula,

I would expect the file to be stored in Voice Dream Reader.  If VDR isn’t 
installed, then I’ve no idea what happens.

Regards.

Ian


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Paul and 
Paula Jordan
Sent: 30 September 2019 16:47
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: disappearing documents after saving with voice dream scanner

Hi.  The message says it all.  I have a friend who purchased voice dream 
scanner and scanned a document.  He saved it, but can’t find it now.  Where do 
documents go when you don’t specify where you want them saved?  Thanks.
God bless!
Paula and Garçon
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RE: Voiceover, all system sounds an d vibrations stop after making many phone calls

[Cristobal Muñoz]

I'm still on V 12.4.1, but regarding the latest 13.1.2 update, Brian Hartgen 
tweeted out the following. 
After trying everything, I had the idea of saying to voice control, reboot 
device. Then swiping right twice, followed by a double tap. While I couldn’t 
hear anything, it did restart.
 
So I guess for those dealing with this rather major bug, something else to try.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Davy 
Cuppens
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 11:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover, all system sounds an d vibrations stop after making 
many phone calls

Yeah Sieghard

Apple did not resolve any of our bugs in ios13.1.2 and I have written this to 
accessibility which I will do after each update.
Regards
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 6:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Voiceover, all system sounds an d vibrations stop after making 
many phone calls

Here is the reply I received from Apple Accessibility:

Thank you for your email. We appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you know 
that Apple is currently investigating this issue. We cannot comment on when it 
may be resolved.

Let's hope it gets resolved soon. Whenever the next update comes out and this 
is still not resolved I certainly plan to send another email as well as call, 
they need to understand that this is a fairly critical issue and they simply 
have to resolve it promptly.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: 'wui chin Leong' via VIPhone 
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 4:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover, all system sounds an d vibrations stop after making 
many phone calls

It happens when you make a face time call

> On Sep 30, 2019, at 5:16 AM, Maria Reyes  wrote:
>
> Well, on my iPhone X I could not reproduce this bug. Maybe I don't 
> make enough phone calls. Does this bug include FaceTime calls? Let's 
> see if I can reproduce this on my 11 Pro.
>
> want to join my WhatsApp group VIP Apple Users? Email me privately and 
> I will happily add you.
> maria2...@gmail.com
>
>> On Sep 30, 2019, at 3:24 AM, 'Angelina Stabile' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> The same thing happened to me. I reported this bug to Apple. They 
>> are working on it.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 30, 2019, at 2:36 AM, Chantal Ferreira 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> The same thing has happened to me. But the suggestions of phoning 
>>> my phone or turning it off and on has not helped.
>>>
>>> The strange thing is that I can bring up Siri and get the feedback 
>>> and then when I'm on the Siri screen VoiceOver works. But the minute 
>>> I go back to the home screen, nothing.
>>>
>>> I have no idea what else to do.
>>>
>>> Any other suggestions.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Chantal
>>>
> On 9/30/19, karuna Chopra  wrote:
 Yes! You are absolutely right! I have had this happening to me at 
 least three or four times a day! Not only is it very and Irving, 
 but I also end up wasting a lot of time. Often times I have to get 
 cited help to get my phone back up and running! Very very frustrating!


>> On 30-Sep-2019, at 2:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
>> wrote:
>

 
 All I can say is to bombard Apple Accessibility wit emails about ithis.

 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
 Of ke...@kellford.com
 Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 2:11 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com; accessibil...@apple.com
 Subject: RE: Voiceover, all system sounds an d vibrations stop 
 after making many phone calls

 I get this also with more than a few calls I’ve made with iOS 13 
 and 13.1.
 Just yesterday it happened on three successive calls for example.

 Kelly

 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
 Of Sieghard Weitzel
 Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 3:24 PM
 To: 'accessibil...@apple.com' 
 Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Voiceover, all system sounds an d vibrations stop after 
 making many phone calls

 Hello,

 I have been an iOS/iDevice user since 2009 when the iPhone 3GS and 
 the third Gen iPod Touch were first released with Voiceover and I 
 have also been beta testing new iOS releases for many years.

 I started Beta testing iOS 13 almost since the start of the public 
 beta program and already experienced the issue I mentioned in the 
 subject line throughout the beta cycle.
 I as well as other Voiceover beta testers I know have reported this 
 via the Feedback app during the beta cycle. I am sure given how 
 many other Voiceover users experience this, it has also been 
 reported to Apple Accessibility since the official release.
 I will also CC this to the Viphone list where visually impaired 
 users discuss iOS and iOS devices so they can forward this back to 
 Apple accessibility, I 

Re: Apple is busy

[Devin Prater]

Would we rather wait a little longer and get many fixes, or not wait and get 
many more bugs?

> On Sep 30, 2019, at 1:25 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
> 
> Indeed they are busy with leaving the blind alone for the second time they 
> update ios13.1, no fixes not one for voiceover.
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Gordon
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 7:30 PM
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> So they just pushed out IOS 13.1.2. I'm getting it now.
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Re: Apple is busy

[Davy Cuppens]

Indeed they are busy with leaving the blind alone for the second time they 
update ios13.1, no fixes not one for voiceover.


-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Gordon

Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 7:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple is busy

So they just pushed out IOS 13.1.2. I'm getting it now.

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Re: IOS 13.1.2

['wui chin Leong' via VIPhone]

Has any one noticed with the new update the voice over bug where you loose 
speech is fixed

> On Sep 30, 2019, at 12:20 PM, Larry Smith  wrote:
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> IOS 13.1.2 is now available. I just installed it. So I don’t know everything 
> that has been fixed with voiceover. However, I believe that accessing the 
> status bar by touching the top of the screen is now much better. I am using 
> an iPhone 11 pro max and iPad Pro.
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Re: knowing where you are in a list of emails

[Davy Cuppens]

Vicky

Yes I have, please all bomb accessibil...@apple.com with this severe bug.

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Vicky Collins

Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 6:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knowing where you are in a list of emails

Are others having the same issue?

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"   
Date: Monday, September 30, 2019 12:39 pm
Subject: RE: knowing where you are in a list of emails




I would report it to Apple Accessibility


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Vicky Collins

Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 5:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: knowing where you are in a list of emails

Since iOS 13, I no longer am able to see where I am in a list of emails. 
For example, if I'm in the trash folder and am scrolling through the list, 
either by swiping or using the vertical scroll bar, it just gives a page 
number range but doesn't say 36 of 50 or 2 of 10 when on a message. Or, 
grin, my memory is failing me here. Perhaps it didn't give the number for 
the specific message but just the range of messages on the specific 
screen, like 23 to 42 of 50. But, either way, that information seems to be 
missing for me now.


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Re: knowing where you are in a list of emails

[Davy Cuppens]

Yeah I am the next chap complaining about this and yes Sieghard I reported 
the bug to accessibil...@apple.com nicht auf Deutsch sondern auf Englisch :) 
so in english.



-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 6:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knowing where you are in a list of emails

I would report it to Apple Accessibility


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicky 
Collins

Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 5:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: knowing where you are in a list of emails

Since iOS 13, I no longer am able to see where I am in a list of emails. For 
example, if I'm in the trash folder and am scrolling through the list, 
either by swiping or using the vertical scroll bar, it just gives a page 
number range but doesn't say 36 of 50 or 2 of 10 when on a message. Or, 
grin, my memory is failing me here. Perhaps it didn't give the number for 
the specific message but just the range of messages on the specific screen, 
like 23 to 42 of 50. But, either way, that information seems to be missing 
for me now.


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Re: Voiceover, all system sounds an d vibrations stop after making many phone calls

[Davy Cuppens]

Yeah Sieghard

Apple did not resolve any of our bugs in ios13.1.2 and I have written this 
to accessibility which I will do after each update.

Regards
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 6:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Voiceover, all system sounds an d vibrations stop after making 
many phone calls


Here is the reply I received from Apple Accessibility:

Thank you for your email. We appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you 
know that Apple is currently investigating this issue. We cannot comment on 
when it may be resolved.


Let's hope it gets resolved soon. Whenever the next update comes out and 
this is still not resolved I certainly plan to send another email as well as 
call, they need to understand that this is a fairly critical issue and they 
simply have to resolve it promptly.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: 'wui chin Leong' via VIPhone 
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 4:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover, all system sounds an d vibrations stop after making 
many phone calls


It happens when you make a face time call


On Sep 30, 2019, at 5:16 AM, Maria Reyes  wrote:

Well, on my iPhone X I could not reproduce this bug. Maybe I don't make 
enough phone calls. Does this bug include FaceTime calls? Let's see if I 
can reproduce this on my 11 Pro.


want to join my WhatsApp group VIP Apple Users? Email me privately and I 
will happily add you.

maria2...@gmail.com

On Sep 30, 2019, at 3:24 AM, 'Angelina Stabile' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


The same thing happened to me. I reported this bug to Apple. They are 
working on it.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 30, 2019, at 2:36 AM, Chantal Ferreira 
 wrote:


The same thing has happened to me. But the suggestions of phoning
my phone or turning it off and on has not helped.

The strange thing is that I can bring up Siri and get the feedback
and then when I'm on the Siri screen VoiceOver works. But the minute
I go back to the home screen, nothing.

I have no idea what else to do.

Any other suggestions.

Kind regards

Chantal


On 9/30/19, karuna Chopra  wrote:

Yes! You are absolutely right! I have had this happening to me at
least three or four times a day! Not only is it very and Irving,
but I also end up wasting a lot of time. Often times I have to get
cited help to get my phone back up and running! Very very frustrating!


On 30-Sep-2019, at 2:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  
wrote:





All I can say is to bombard Apple Accessibility wit emails about ithis.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of ke...@kellford.com
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 2:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; accessibil...@apple.com
Subject: RE: Voiceover, all system sounds an d vibrations stop
after making many phone calls

I get this also with more than a few calls I’ve made with iOS 13 and 
13.1.

Just yesterday it happened on three successive calls for example.

Kelly

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 3:24 PM
To: 'accessibil...@apple.com' 
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Voiceover, all system sounds an d vibrations stop after
making many phone calls

Hello,

I have been an iOS/iDevice user since 2009 when the iPhone 3GS and
the third Gen iPod Touch were first released with Voiceover and I
have also been beta testing new iOS releases for many years.

I started Beta testing iOS 13 almost since the start of the public
beta program and already experienced the issue I mentioned in the
subject line throughout the beta cycle.
I as well as other Voiceover beta testers I know have reported
this via the Feedback app during the beta cycle. I am sure given
how many other Voiceover users experience this, it has also been
reported to Apple Accessibility since the official release.
I will also CC this to the Viphone list where visually impaired
users discuss iOS and iOS devices so they can forward this back to
Apple accessibility, I tried to outline the issue in as much detail
as possible so there is no point for others to have to re-write all
this, but of course everybody can feel free to add any comments to what 
I wrote.


The issue:
you make a phone call and after you hang up all sounds go away as
do vibrations.

Different users seem to be effected differently, some experience
this more than others, but it happens on phone calls, Facetime
calls as well as calls with other apps such as Skype.
It used to be that for me it mostly happened if I was using the
wired Apple Earpods and then asked SIRI to call somebody and then
used te in-line remote button on the Earpods cable to hang up the call.
Now in iOS 13.1.1 it seems worse for me, yesterday I made two calls
directly from the phone without any headset and hung up with a
2-finger double tap and both times my phone went silent and it is
then extremely difficult for a blind person to get Voiceover and
other sounds back. Vibrations also go away 

IOS 13.1.2

[Larry Smith]

IOS 13.1.2 is now available. I just installed it. So I don’t know everything 
that has been fixed with voiceover. However, I believe that accessing the 
status bar by touching the top of the screen is now much better. I am using an 
iPhone 11 pro max and iPad Pro.

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Re: downgrade an iphone

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi Sieghard 

Thanx for your fine reply. The mail bug is also an annoyance for me in which 
the focus jumps to another place as expected while going back after closing a 
read e-mail.
Davy 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 5:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: downgrade an iphone

If Apple still signs iOS 12.4.1 it can certainly be done, there is not much to 
it as long as you made sure you downloaded the IPSW file for your specific 
model of iPhone.

All you have to do is disable Find my iPhone, connect the iPhone to your PC, 
open iTunes and in the phone section tab to Restore and press Shift + Enter.

A standard Open file dialogue appears, browse to your iPSW file and press enter.

You will probably be prompted that you are installing iOS 12.4.1 and probably 
have to press OK or Continue and then it will just go through the install the 
same way as if you upgrade via iTunes.

Keep in mind that unless you have an archived backup done under iOS 12.4.1 you 
have to set up your phone as a new phone, you cannot restore a backup made in 
iOS 13 on a device which runs iOS 12.

Also, make sure the IPSW file you downloaded is for 12.4.1 which was released 
on August 26, that is the only version of iOS 12 which is still supported, 12.4 
or any of the 12.3 versions cannot be used any more.

 

I find it interesting that you find the Notification Centre such a mess, on my 
iPhone 8 with iOS 13.1.1 it can be a little bit unpredictable at times,but for 
the most part it works as it should.

I don’t use Braille or any hearing aids and I don’t use Flicktype any more 
since I prefer to practice using the slide keyboard and really the only serious 
issue I consider annoying is the issue when after some phone calls Voiceover 
and other sounds take a vacation, but I have learned how to deal with it for 
now and hope Apple will finally get around to it now that the public release of 
iOS 13 is out and hopefully everybody who has complained about it on the list 
has also emailed Apple Accessibility about it or called them or even better 
both.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 4:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: downgrade an iphone

 

i do not know if this entire process can be done without sighted assistance, 
but here is one article I found. 

I'd call Apple Accessibility if it were me, but here is the article I found:

https://ios.gadgethacks.com/how-to/downgrade-ios-13-back-ios-12-4-1-your-iphone-using-itunes-finder-0198642/
 

 

Richard 

 

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 

 





  On Sep 30, 2019, at 2:21 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

   

  Hi folks 

   

  I am fed up with all the bugs especially the mess in the notification center.

   

  Is it possible for a blind one to downgrade its iphone?

  You have to download the right ipsw file which I managed to do without any 
problem. But then, starting itunes, go to your iphone and press the repair 
button with the mouse together with holding in the shift key at least for 
windows itunes users.

  Can this be done being totally blind? Who has experience?

  Regards

  Davy 

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RE: Voiceover, all system sounds an d vibrations stop after making many phone calls

['jan howells' via VIPhone]

I never hear any of my sounds on my iPad tablet.  I do not hear 
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Re: Going to upgrade my phone soon

[Andrew J. LaPointe]

Hi Allen and all, thank you for all the information and suggestions.  I 
will look into this.  I will have to decide rather soon as my 6s is getting 
tired.  Thanks again, Andy and Shubert

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Going to upgrade my phone soon

I completely agree with Alan, you should definitely get the iPhone 11 and just 
learn to deal with a device with no home button, it’s not as if the home button 
will be back in a year or two and eventually you have to learn how to use one 
which doesn’t have it.

As for Touch Id, well, it sounds like maybe we may see devices in a year or two 
or three which have both Face Id and the option of Touch Id, but I wouldn’t 
hold my breath and I think if Face Id is setup properly you will have little 
trouble with it especially on the iPhone 11 where it works at even greater 
angles and faster.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 8:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Going to upgrade my phone soon

 

Andy,

 

You should focus on which features you really want or which ones you'd rather 
not deal with before making an iPhone upgrade decision. For example, if you 
really want a home button, your choices are the iPhone 7 or 8. If you don't 
want to deal with face ID, your choices are also the iPhone 7 or 8. If face ID 
is not an issue and you plan to get a new iPhone with 256GB of memory, I'd 
recommend the 11 instead of the XR simply because it is the latest model with 
the most power and will work longer into the future than older models. Be aware 
that the newer model phones are continuing to get larger however so you might 
visit a store where you can put your hands on one to ensure its size won't be a 
problem.

 

Good luck with your upgrade decision.

 

Alan Lemly

 

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Andrew J. LaPointe
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 7:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Going to upgrade my phone soon

 

Hello All, I am currently using the Iphone 6s which has 128gigs.  Which phone 
would any of you recommend to upgrade to?  I will look for believe the phones 
with 256 gigs as I don’t want to worry about adding apps and deleting them.  I 
also have 5 grand children and have tons of videos that is sent to me via txt 
and tons of audible books that I want to keep on the phone.  I know Richard 
recommended the 8s or something.  The other wish is to get a phone that is not 
too big as I don’t need to see anything but to use gestures...I am totally 
blind.  Thank you so much for all this list does for people.  Andy and Shubert

Andrew J. LaPointe
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P.O. Box 1077
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RE: Silence Unknown Callers is great!

[Robert Wright]

It should be in your recent calls.

**If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the 
learning start?*** 

From: Shirley Baker
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 9:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Silence Unknown Callers is great!

So if someone calls and you have silence calls turned on, where do you find the 
phone number Of who called? Will it be in the recent calls list or missed calls 
or what will show up if anything? 
Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 29, 2019, at 6:41 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:
 settings, Phone, Silence unknown callers which is toward the bottom of the 
phone settings screen. 

Richard 

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 



On Sep 29, 2019, at 4:10 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
ok, so where is this option?  I haven't gone looking for it.

Cheers,

Jed

On 9/29/19, Keith Bierman  wrote:

"...ut can't as we use delivery services such as Uber Eats, Lyft and
the like that calls need to come through at times and they are not in
our contact list, so darn, we lose, I guess. LOL"

Unless you are getting such calls constantly ... it's not hard to turn on,
and toggle off until you've got dinner (or whatever) and then turn it back
on.



On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 5:45 AM Lisa P. Geibel 
wrote:

Hi,

My husband, Marcus, and I would love to use this feature to avoid Robo
calls, but can't as we use delivery services such as Uber Eats, Lyft and
the like that calls need to come through at times and they are not in
our contact list, so darn, we lose, I guess. LOL

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RE: Pulsating response

[Reg Sullivan]

Worked,  thank you kindly.

 

Reg

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jennie Facer
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 11:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pulsating response

 

Hi,

 

Go to settings, accessibility, Voiceover, Audio and then sounds and haptics. 
You can turn all haptics off or or just the ones you want off. Hope this helps,

 

 

 

Jenn and Kumi

TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!

 

On Sep 30, 2019, at 8:20 AM, Reg Sullivan mailto:regs2...@rogers.com> > wrote:

 



Anyone else know if Appple has this on their radar to be added to the fixit 
list?

I’m happy to make them aware of it.

 

Regards….Reg

 

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mich Verrier

Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 9:02 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: RE: Pulsating response

 

Hi I think that the pulsating is haptic feed badck but I have not found how to 
turne this off I have the hapteck feedback turned off. And still feel this 
pulsing that you are talking about. From Mich.

 

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Sullivan

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Subject: Pulsating response

 

Good morning all.  After upgrading to 13.1 my IPhone 8  is responding with what 
feels like an electronic pulse with every swipe.  Anybody know what this is and 
how to turn it off?

Also, battery life has been very short after this upgrade.  Any tips?

 

 

Best….Reg

 

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So they just pushed out IOS 13.1.2. I'm getting it now.

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Re: IP Address

[Arlene]

To get an ip address it's even easier than searching for an app. Go into safari 
and type this web site
http://checkip.dyndns.org

  - Original Message - 
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  To: VIPhone Mailing List 
  Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 10:32 PM
  Subject: Re: IP Address


  Hi Andy,


  You can get the Wi-Fi address on the About screen in Settings/General. You 
might need an app to get the IP address though.


  Best,
  Anna








On Sep 27, 2019, at 10:28 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:


How does one obtain the IP address that your iPhone uses?

Andy



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RE: Replacement for Plantronics voyager edge?

[Merv Keck]

My Edge is at least three years old now and working great. In fact I ran it 
through the washer and dryer twice so far. 
Merv


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristobal Muñoz
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 1:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Replacement for Plantronics voyager edge?

Yeah, that's the thing that sucks about a lot of these devices.
The Voyager Edge I first had began to conk out on me after 13 months. Surprise 
surprise, it was no longer under warranty at that time.
My 5200 is still going strong two years later so that's good, but true, paying 
a not so insignificant amount for any of these devices just to have to 
continuously replace them after only a couple of years or whatever is terrible. 
Basically, you're endlessly paying anywhere from $40 to $70 a year in a faux 
subscription cost.
Meanwhile, I've had a trusty pare of Bose sports inline mic headphones with a 
good old 3.55 MM jack for going on 7 years now and they're still going strong. 
Apple and all these companies pump up the wonders and convenience of Bluetooth, 
but what they don’t' say is that it's just another means for them to get you to 
always have to open your wallet as well. 
But anyway... the Plantronics 5200 is a solid earpiece. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 10:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Replacement for Plantronics voyager edge?

They all use a built-in, rechargeable lithium-ion battery, I have never seen a 
Bluetooth headset, especially not such a small one, which had any sort of 
replaceable battery.
That is why I don't buy super-expensive headsets like the Airpods or $300 or 
$400 Bluetooth speakers, they have a lifespan of 3 or 4 years at the very most 
and then the batteries won't hold a lot of charge any more and you have to 
replace them.
That is of course if they last that long. I bought my wife a Power Beats 
Bluetooth headset or whatever the one is called which has earbuds and is 
connected with a sort of cable/wire. It was not exactly cheap and after less 
than 2 years it refused to charge any more even though she is very careful with 
her stuff and when plugging in or unplugging the charge cable. Of course by 
that time there is no more warranty and you can throw the thing away, all in 
all it is disappointing.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Brian K. 
Lingard
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 10:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Replacement for Plantronics voyager edge?

Dear Sieghard Weitzel && List:
Do the Plantronics 5200 UC headphones use a replaceable battery or one that is 
built-in, tried to check the link you gave, but it had no description.
Brian K. Lingard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 12:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Replacement for Plantronics voyager edge?

But just to be clear, the USB dongle is nothing but a Bluetooth receiver, it 
does not actually plug in and transmit via 2.4 GHz like the Logitech H800 which 
you can use in Bluetooth mode or 2.4 GHz wireless mode.
If you have a laptop with Bluetooth then you would actually spend money 
unnecessarily since the Bluetooth USB dongle doesn't do anything you couldn't 
do anyway.
If you have a desktop and you want to use it for that it's different, but you 
could actually buy cheaper Bluetooth USB dongles than what the UC version costs 
extra.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Petty
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 7:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Replacement for Plantronics voyager edge?

I purchased a Plantronics VOYAGER- 5200-UC in July from Amazon. It is larger 
than the earlier models. Even so, the audio quality is especially good. I 
checked other Plantronics models and one from Sennheiser before finally 
locating this model; their user audio quality was not as good (earpiece volume 
could never be set to an acceptable level. I also had complaints about 
background noise with these other units.

The VOYAGER- 5200-UC has great user audio level and the microphone level and 
audio quality must be good; the people I talk to using the earpiece give me 
good reports. This model has a nice carrying case with a good cradle for the 
earpiece. This particular earpiece comes with a USB dongle so you may also use 
the earpiece with a desktop or notebook computer. 

The unit is large and very few people will think you're talking to yourself as 
you walk down a street using the device. A positive point for it being such a 
large device.

Here's the Amazon link for the model I purchased:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01G49I2FA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1#

I also purchased an add on improved ear tip produced by another manufacturer; 
CHOCKALOTTA 1-Pack in-Ear Tip Adapter Mount for 

Re: Voiceover, all system sounds an d vibrations stop after making many phone calls

[Vicky Collins]

With my iPhone 7, once I end a call, I get the clicks but no VoiceOver. In my 
case, though, at least so far, I ask Siri to turn off VoiceOver, hear the 
message that VoiceOver is off, then ask Siri to turn on VoiceOver, and the 
phone works as normal. Since I use my iPhone as my primary phone, since it is 
smaller, I haven't yet tried it enough to know with my 8 Plus.

- Original Message -
From: Mike Arrigo  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, September 30, 2019 12:48 pm
Subject: Re: Voiceover, all system sounds an d vibrations stop after making 
many phone calls

>
>
> For what it's worth, a friend of mine has also experienced this issue 
> with an iphone 7, because of this issue and the fact that nearby 
> explorer currently does not work, I'm holding off on the upgrade for now.
> Original message:
> > Here is the reply I received from Apple Accessibility:
> 
> > Thank you for your email. We appreciate the feedback and wanted to let 
> > you know that Apple is currently investigating this issue. We cannot 
> > comment on when it may be resolved.
> 
> > Let's hope it gets resolved soon. Whenever the next update comes out 
> > and this is still not resolved I certainly plan to send another email 
> > as well as call, they need to understand that this is a fairly critical 
> > issue and they simply have to resolve it promptly.
> 
> > Regards,
> > Sieghard
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: 'wui chin Leong' via VIPhone 
> > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 4:18 AM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Voiceover, all system sounds an d vibrations stop after 
> > making many phone calls
> 
> > It happens when you make a face time call
> 
> >> On Sep 30, 2019, at 5:16 AM, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> 
> >> Well, on my iPhone X I could not reproduce this bug. Maybe I don't make 
> >> enough phone calls. Does this bug include FaceTime calls? Let's see if 
> >> I can reproduce this on my 11 Pro.
> 
> >> want to join my WhatsApp group VIP Apple Users? Email me privately and 
> >> I will happily add you.
> >> maria2...@gmail.com
> 
> >>> On Sep 30, 2019, at 3:24 AM, 'Angelina Stabile' via VIPhone 
> >>>  wrote:
> 
> >>> "The same thing happened to me. I reported this bug to Apple. They are 
> >>> working on it.
> 
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>  On Sep 30, 2019, at 2:36 AM, Chantal Ferreira 
>   wrote:
> 
>  "The same thing has happened to me. But the suggestions of phoning
>  my phone or turning it off and on has not helped.
> 
>  The strange thing is that I can bring up Siri and get the feedback
>  and then when I'm on the Siri screen VoiceOver works. But the minute
>  I go back to the home screen, nothing.
> 
>  I have no idea what else to do.
> 
>  Any other suggestions.
> 
>  Kind regards
> 
>  Chantal
> 
> >> On 9/30/19, karuna Chopra  wrote:
> > Yes! You are absolutely right! I have had this happening to me at
> > least three or four times a day! Not only is it very and Irving,
> > but I also end up wasting a lot of time. Often times I have to get
> > cited help to get my phone back up and running! Very very frustrating!
> 
> 
> >>> On 30-Sep-2019, at 2:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> > his
> > All I can say is to bombard Apple Accessibility wit emails about ithis.
> 
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> > Of ke...@kellford.com
> > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 2:11 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com; accessibil...@apple.com
> > Subject: RE: Voiceover, all system sounds an d vibrations stop
> > after making many phone calls
> 
> > I get this also with more than a few calls I've made with iOS 13 and 
> > 13.1.
> > Just yesterday it happened on three successive calls for example.
> 
> > Kelly
> 
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> > Of Sieghard Weitzel
> > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 3:24 PM
> > To: 'accessibilitythpple_com' 
> > Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Voiceover, all system sounds an d vibrations stop after
> > making many phone calls
> 
> > Hello,
> 
> > I have been an iOS/IDevice user since 2009 when the iPhone 3GS and
> > the third Gen iPod Touch were first released with Voiceover and I
> > have also been beta testing new iOS releases for many years.
> 
> > I started Beta testing iOS 13 almost since the start of the public
> > beta program and already experienced the issue I mentioned in the
> > subject line throughout the beta cycle.
> > I as well as other Voiceover beta testers I know have reported
> > this via the Feedback app during the beta cycle. I am sure given
> > how many other Voiceover users experience this, it has also been
> > reported to Apple Accessibility since the official release.
> > I will also CC this to the Viphone list where visually impaired
> > users discuss iOS and iOS devices so they can forward this 

RE: Replacement for Plantronics voyager edge?

[Cristobal Muñoz]

Yeah, that's the thing that sucks about a lot of these devices.
The Voyager Edge I first had began to conk out on me after 13 months. Surprise 
surprise, it was no longer under warranty at that time.
My 5200 is still going strong two years later so that's good, but true, paying 
a not so insignificant amount for any of these devices just to have to 
continuously replace them after only a couple of years or whatever is terrible. 
Basically, you're endlessly paying anywhere from $40 to $70 a year in a faux 
subscription cost.
Meanwhile, I've had a trusty pare of Bose sports inline mic headphones with a 
good old 3.55 MM jack for going on 7 years now and they're still going strong. 
Apple and all these companies pump up the wonders and convenience of Bluetooth, 
but what they don’t' say is that it's just another means for them to get you to 
always have to open your wallet as well. 
But anyway... the Plantronics 5200 is a solid earpiece. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 10:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Replacement for Plantronics voyager edge?

They all use a built-in, rechargeable lithium-ion battery, I have never seen a 
Bluetooth headset, especially not such a small one, which had any sort of 
replaceable battery.
That is why I don't buy super-expensive headsets like the Airpods or $300 or 
$400 Bluetooth speakers, they have a lifespan of 3 or 4 years at the very most 
and then the batteries won't hold a lot of charge any more and you have to 
replace them.
That is of course if they last that long. I bought my wife a Power Beats 
Bluetooth headset or whatever the one is called which has earbuds and is 
connected with a sort of cable/wire. It was not exactly cheap and after less 
than 2 years it refused to charge any more even though she is very careful with 
her stuff and when plugging in or unplugging the charge cable. Of course by 
that time there is no more warranty and you can throw the thing away, all in 
all it is disappointing.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Brian K. 
Lingard
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 10:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Replacement for Plantronics voyager edge?

Dear Sieghard Weitzel && List:
Do the Plantronics 5200 UC headphones use a replaceable battery or one that is 
built-in, tried to check the link you gave, but it had no description.
Brian K. Lingard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 12:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Replacement for Plantronics voyager edge?

But just to be clear, the USB dongle is nothing but a Bluetooth receiver, it 
does not actually plug in and transmit via 2.4 GHz like the Logitech H800 which 
you can use in Bluetooth mode or 2.4 GHz wireless mode.
If you have a laptop with Bluetooth then you would actually spend money 
unnecessarily since the Bluetooth USB dongle doesn't do anything you couldn't 
do anyway.
If you have a desktop and you want to use it for that it's different, but you 
could actually buy cheaper Bluetooth USB dongles than what the UC version costs 
extra.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Petty
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 7:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Replacement for Plantronics voyager edge?

I purchased a Plantronics VOYAGER- 5200-UC in July from Amazon. It is larger 
than the earlier models. Even so, the audio quality is especially good. I 
checked other Plantronics models and one from Sennheiser before finally 
locating this model; their user audio quality was not as good (earpiece volume 
could never be set to an acceptable level. I also had complaints about 
background noise with these other units.

The VOYAGER- 5200-UC has great user audio level and the microphone level and 
audio quality must be good; the people I talk to using the earpiece give me 
good reports. This model has a nice carrying case with a good cradle for the 
earpiece. This particular earpiece comes with a USB dongle so you may also use 
the earpiece with a desktop or notebook computer. 

The unit is large and very few people will think you're talking to yourself as 
you walk down a street using the device. A positive point for it being such a 
large device.

Here's the Amazon link for the model I purchased:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01G49I2FA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1#

I also purchased an add on improved ear tip produced by another manufacturer; 
CHOCKALOTTA 1-Pack in-Ear Tip Adapter Mount for Plantronics Voyager 5200. It 
has an unusual name, but greatly improved the audio and earpiece fit for me.

Hope this helps.

Richard Petty

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Julian
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 2:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Replacement for Plantronics voyager edge?

Re: knowing where you are in a list of emails

[Vicky Collins]

Are others having the same issue?

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"   
Date: Monday, September 30, 2019 12:39 pm
Subject: RE: knowing where you are in a list of emails

>
>
> I would report it to Apple Accessibility
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicky 
> Collins
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 5:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: knowing where you are in a list of emails
> 
> Since iOS 13, I no longer am able to see where I am in a list of emails. For 
> example, if I'm in the trash folder and am scrolling through the list, either 
> by swiping or using the vertical scroll bar, it just gives a page number 
> range but doesn't say 36 of 50 or 2 of 10 when on a message. Or, grin, my 
> memory is failing me here. Perhaps it didn't give the number for the specific 
> message but just the range of messages on the specific screen, like 23 to 42 
> of 50. But, either way, that information seems to be missing for me now.
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Re: iPhone SE battery

[Vicky Collins]

Great about your 99 percent! Oh, seeing as AT doesn't provide internet 
service here in my rural area and I want to stay with them, I used the personal 
hotspot feature for all of my computer or braille notetaker internet needs. And 
using that really drains the battery. It probably didn't help any that I would 
leave the hotspot turned on, even when I wasn't using it, thus making it easier 
to connect when I was ready. But, especially now with having two separate phone 
lines, it's amazing to see just how much longer my battery lasts on the phone 
when I have the hotspot turned off.

- Original Message -
From: Carolyn Arnold  <4carol...@windstream.net>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, September 30, 2019 10:04 am
Subject: RE: iPhone SE battery

>
>
> I bought my new SE a year and a half ago, and recent checked showed peak 
> battery at 99 percent. I don't know why there should be such a difference. Of 
> course, our phone habits might be different. I talk as much as I want to, 
> sometimes several hours a day, ask Siri for a lot of information, do some 
> texting and rare emailing on it. Two hours each day, I do a tinnitus 
> treatment program using Bluetooth. The only reason I'm saying all of this is 
> to get some kind of idea about battery. My SE is a 32 gb. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Vicky Collins
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 1:49 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iPhone SE battery
> 
> As you can tell, I do tend to switch iPhone's from time to time, but haven't 
> yet ventured into trying the ones with face ID. But, my question here is, is 
> it worth me giving my old iPhone SE to my sister, or am I doing her a 
> disservice in the end because of the lower battery capacity?
> 
> Anyway, since my sighted sister is using a four-year-old $19 pay as you go 
> phone from AT, a 3G phone where she can no longer get a signal in her house 
> in the rural area where we live, I purchased a used iPhone 7 from one of the 
> blindness lists , thinking to give it to her. However, grin, I made the 
> mistake of giving her the choice between my iPhone SE and the 7, and she 
> preferred the smaller SE.
> 
> I haven't yet given her the phone because she is on my brother's account, and 
> he needs to go to the AT store here to get her the new SIM card for the 
> phone, since the phone she has now takes a micro SIM. I did, though, confirm 
> that the phone would indeed work at her house. And, just before I reset the 
> phone to factory defaults, I checked its battery health, and the maximum 
> capacity given for that phone was 81 percent. It did say that the battery was 
> supporting normal peak performance. As I've mentioned previously, my source 
> of internet right now is via personal hotspot, my choice as I'm not yet ready 
> to leave AT, and I guess it didn't do the battery on the SE any good. I 
> purchased the phone new from Amazon a little over a year ago, so guess I'll 
> have to watch my battery care a bit better with my future phones.
> 
> As a side note for anyone still reading, I did go to AT store a while back 
> and get a SIM card for a second line for myself. With my AT Unlimited and 
> more Premium plan, we discussed both the second line or adding some sort of 
> wireless hotspot device to my one-line plan. If memory serves, the rep told 
> me that, if I were to choose the wireless device, I would get 50 GB of data, 
> a home phone number but I wouldn't necessarily have to use it, and I could 
> either pay the $200 for the hotspot device, or I could pay it off in monthly 
> payments. So, since I already had a second iPhone, I just opted for the 
> second line with its additional 15 GB of mobile hotspot. And, of course, I 
> can just cancel this second line at any time.
> 
> Oh, one more side note, even though I can use the hotspot on my Nokia 6 to 
> backup my iPhones to iCloud here at my apartment, I still can't use this same 
> feature on one iPhone to backup the other, even though each iPhone has its 
> own SIM card now, something about poor network conditions. Wonder if I 
> should've gotten that wireless device instead, and why the Nokia will let me 
> backup with the hotspot feature while the iPhone won't?
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Re: Voiceover, all system sounds an d vibrations stop after making many phone calls

[Mike Arrigo]

For what it's worth, a friend of mine has also experienced this issue 
with an iphone 7, because of this issue and the fact that nearby 
explorer currently does not work, I'm holding off on the upgrade for now.

Original message:

Here is the reply I received from Apple Accessibility:


Thank you for your email. We appreciate the feedback and wanted to let 
you know that Apple is currently investigating this issue. We cannot 
comment on when it may be resolved.


Let's hope it gets resolved soon. Whenever the next update comes out 
and this is still not resolved I certainly plan to send another email 
as well as call, they need to understand that this is a fairly critical 
issue and they simply have to resolve it promptly.



Regards,
Sieghard



-Original Message-
From: 'wui chin Leong' via VIPhone 
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 4:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover, all system sounds an d vibrations stop after 
making many phone calls



It happens when you make a face time call



On Sep 30, 2019, at 5:16 AM, Maria Reyes  wrote:


Well, on my iPhone X I could not reproduce this bug. Maybe I don't make 
enough phone calls. Does this bug include FaceTime calls? Let's see if 
I can reproduce this on my 11 Pro.


want to join my WhatsApp group VIP Apple Users? Email me privately and 
I will happily add you.

maria2...@gmail.com


On Sep 30, 2019, at 3:24 AM, 'Angelina Stabile' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


The same thing happened to me. I reported this bug to Apple. They are 
working on it.



Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 30, 2019, at 2:36 AM, Chantal Ferreira 
 wrote:



The same thing has happened to me. But the suggestions of phoning
my phone or turning it off and on has not helped.



The strange thing is that I can bring up Siri and get the feedback
and then when I'm on the Siri screen VoiceOver works. But the minute
I go back to the home screen, nothing.



I have no idea what else to do.



Any other suggestions.



Kind regards



Chantal



On 9/30/19, karuna Chopra  wrote:

Yes! You are absolutely right! I have had this happening to me at
least three or four times a day! Not only is it very and Irving,
but I also end up wasting a lot of time. Often times I have to get
cited help to get my phone back up and running! Very very frustrating!




On 30-Sep-2019, at 2:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:





All I can say is to bombard Apple Accessibility wit emails about ithis.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of ke...@kellford.com
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 2:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; accessibil...@apple.com
Subject: RE: Voiceover, all system sounds an d vibrations stop
after making many phone calls



I get this also with more than a few calls I’ve made with iOS 13 and 13.1.
Just yesterday it happened on three successive calls for example.



Kelly



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 3:24 PM
To: 'accessibil...@apple.com' 
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Voiceover, all system sounds an d vibrations stop after
making many phone calls



Hello,



I have been an iOS/iDevice user since 2009 when the iPhone 3GS and
the third Gen iPod Touch were first released with Voiceover and I
have also been beta testing new iOS releases for many years.



I started Beta testing iOS 13 almost since the start of the public
beta program and already experienced the issue I mentioned in the
subject line throughout the beta cycle.
I as well as other Voiceover beta testers I know have reported
this via the Feedback app during the beta cycle. I am sure given
how many other Voiceover users experience this, it has also been
reported to Apple Accessibility since the official release.
I will also CC this to the Viphone list where visually impaired
users discuss iOS and iOS devices so they can forward this back to
Apple accessibility, I tried to outline the issue in as much detail
as possible so there is no point for others to have to re-write all
this, but of course everybody can feel free to add any comments to what 
I wrote.



The issue:
you make a phone call and after you hang up all sounds go away as
do vibrations.



Different users seem to be effected differently, some experience
this more than others, but it happens on phone calls, Facetime
calls as well as calls with other apps such as Skype.
It used to be that for me it mostly happened if I was using the
wired Apple Earpods and then asked SIRI to call somebody and then
used te in-line remote button on the Earpods cable to hang up the call.
Now in iOS 13.1.1 it seems worse for me, yesterday I made two calls
directly from the phone without any headset and hung up with a
2-finger double tap and both times my phone went silent and it is
then extremely difficult for a blind person to get Voiceover and
other sounds back. Vibrations also go away except for a very small
amount of haptic feedback when I press the virtual home button (I
have an iPhone 8), not 

RE: iPhone SE battery

[Cristobal Muñoz]

You don't have to take it to an Apple store. There are lots of third party 
vendors who are authorized to do iPhone repairs. Also being an SE, I'm guessing 
you're out of warranty? Basically, just jump on yelp or Google for apple repair 
 services in your area and you'll likely find something. Being a simple battery 
replacement on an SE, it shouldn't be all that complicated.
My sighted wife swapped out the battery on an old 5S we have by herself early 
last year for example. We just bought the new battery that came with all 
necessary tools for something like $25 and she went on iFixIt and watched some 
YouTube videos and voila. Old 5S with a brand spanking new battery. I think 
starting with the 7 and up, do it yourself repairs became a lot harder, but for 
the SE, it shouldn't be all that complicated to get the battery replaced 
somehow some way.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicky 
Collins
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 5:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone SE battery

Thanks all for the responses.

Yeah, I did read some of the articles about 80 percent not being so good. 
However, since my sister doesn't drive and we aren't near an Apple store, 
anyway, I figure by the time I paid for a cab to go to the post office, paid 
shipping both ways, and paid for the replacement, I may as well try to see if I 
can find her a used SE somewhere with a better battery. I've been trying for 
about six weeks now to get my brother to go to AT to get the SIM exchanged, 
but he just doesn't get in any hurry. But maybe I'll see if they still have any 
refurbish SE phones at AT, as it can't hurt to ask. 

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
Date: Monday, September 30, 2019 2:01 am
Subject: RE: iPhone SE battery

>
>
> And 81% is not actually so good. When I went to Apple last year with my 6S 
> Plus for their battery replacement offer my battery's capacity was at 84% and 
> they said I would definitely qualify for the $35 Canadian battery replacement 
> they offered until the end of last year.
> But even at the regular price your sister would probably get a lot more 
> enjoyment out of your old iPhone SE if you or she were to get the battery 
> replaced.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> lenron brown
> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 10:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone SE battery
> 
> She would honestly be fine with the SE
> 
> On 9/30/19, Vicky Collins  wrote:
> > As you can tell, I do tend to switch iPhone's from time to time, but 
> > haven't yet ventured into trying the ones with face ID. But, my 
> > question here is, is it worth me giving my old iPhone SE to my 
> > sister, or am I doing her a disservice in the end because of the lower 
> > battery capacity?
> >
> > Anyway, since my sighted sister is using a four-year-old $19 pay as 
> > you go phone from AT, a 3G phone where she can no longer get a 
> > signal in her house in the rural area where we live, I purchased a 
> > used iPhone 7 from one of the blindness lists , thinking to give it 
> > to her. However, grin, I made the mistake of giving her the choice 
> > between my iPhone SE and the 7, and she preferred the smaller SE.
> >
> > I haven't yet given her the phone because she is on my brother's 
> > account, and he needs to go to the AT store here to get her the 
> > new SIM card for the phone, since the phone she has now takes a micro SIM.
> > I did, though, confirm that the phone would indeed work at her house. 
> > And, just before I reset the phone to factory defaults, I checked 
> > its battery health, and the maximum capacity given for that phone 
> > was 81 percent. It did say that the battery was supporting normal 
> > peak performance. As I've mentioned previously, my source of 
> > internet right now is via personal hotspot, my choice as I'm not yet 
> > ready to leave AT, and I guess it didn't do the battery on the SE 
> > any good. I purchased the phone new from Amazon a little over a year 
> > ago, so guess I'll have to watch my battery care a bit better with my 
> > future phones.
> >
> > As a side note for anyone still reading, I did go to AT store a 
> > while back and get a SIM card for a second line for myself. With my 
> > AT Unlimited and more Premium plan, we discussed both the second 
> > line or adding some sort of wireless hotspot device to my one-line 
> > plan. If memory serves, the rep told me that, if I were to choose 
> > the wireless device, I would get 50 GB of data, a home phone number 
> > but I wouldn't necessarily have to use it, and I could either pay 
> > the $200 for the hotspot device, or I could pay it off in monthly 
> > payments. So, since I already had a second iPhone, I just opted for 
> > the second line with its additional 15 GB of mobile hotspot. And, of 
> > course, I can just cancel this second line at any time.
> >

RE: iPhone SE battery

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Not only Apple can do a battery replacement, many third-party repair places can 
easily replace an iPhone battery for $50 or $60, I think it's overkill to buy a 
new or refurbished phone if the other one is in good shape and all it needs is 
a new battery.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicky 
Collins
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 5:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone SE battery

Thanks all for the responses.

Yeah, I did read some of the articles about 80 percent not being so good. 
However, since my sister doesn't drive and we aren't near an Apple store, 
anyway, I figure by the time I paid for a cab to go to the post office, paid 
shipping both ways, and paid for the replacement, I may as well try to see if I 
can find her a used SE somewhere with a better battery. I've been trying for 
about six weeks now to get my brother to go to AT to get the SIM exchanged, 
but he just doesn't get in any hurry. But maybe I'll see if they still have any 
refurbish SE phones at AT, as it can't hurt to ask. 

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
Date: Monday, September 30, 2019 2:01 am
Subject: RE: iPhone SE battery

>
>
> And 81% is not actually so good. When I went to Apple last year with my 6S 
> Plus for their battery replacement offer my battery's capacity was at 84% and 
> they said I would definitely qualify for the $35 Canadian battery replacement 
> they offered until the end of last year.
> But even at the regular price your sister would probably get a lot more 
> enjoyment out of your old iPhone SE if you or she were to get the battery 
> replaced.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> lenron brown
> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 10:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone SE battery
> 
> She would honestly be fine with the SE
> 
> On 9/30/19, Vicky Collins  wrote:
> > As you can tell, I do tend to switch iPhone's from time to time, but 
> > haven't yet ventured into trying the ones with face ID. But, my 
> > question here is, is it worth me giving my old iPhone SE to my 
> > sister, or am I doing her a disservice in the end because of the lower 
> > battery capacity?
> >
> > Anyway, since my sighted sister is using a four-year-old $19 pay as 
> > you go phone from AT, a 3G phone where she can no longer get a 
> > signal in her house in the rural area where we live, I purchased a 
> > used iPhone 7 from one of the blindness lists , thinking to give it 
> > to her. However, grin, I made the mistake of giving her the choice 
> > between my iPhone SE and the 7, and she preferred the smaller SE.
> >
> > I haven't yet given her the phone because she is on my brother's 
> > account, and he needs to go to the AT store here to get her the 
> > new SIM card for the phone, since the phone she has now takes a micro SIM.
> > I did, though, confirm that the phone would indeed work at her house. 
> > And, just before I reset the phone to factory defaults, I checked 
> > its battery health, and the maximum capacity given for that phone 
> > was 81 percent. It did say that the battery was supporting normal 
> > peak performance. As I've mentioned previously, my source of 
> > internet right now is via personal hotspot, my choice as I'm not yet 
> > ready to leave AT, and I guess it didn't do the battery on the SE 
> > any good. I purchased the phone new from Amazon a little over a year 
> > ago, so guess I'll have to watch my battery care a bit better with my 
> > future phones.
> >
> > As a side note for anyone still reading, I did go to AT store a 
> > while back and get a SIM card for a second line for myself. With my 
> > AT Unlimited and more Premium plan, we discussed both the second 
> > line or adding some sort of wireless hotspot device to my one-line 
> > plan. If memory serves, the rep told me that, if I were to choose 
> > the wireless device, I would get 50 GB of data, a home phone number 
> > but I wouldn't necessarily have to use it, and I could either pay 
> > the $200 for the hotspot device, or I could pay it off in monthly 
> > payments. So, since I already had a second iPhone, I just opted for 
> > the second line with its additional 15 GB of mobile hotspot. And, of 
> > course, I can just cancel this second line at any time.
> >
> > Oh, one more side note, even though I can use the hotspot on my 
> > Nokia
> > 6 to backup my iPhones to iCloud here at my apartment, I still can't 
> > use this same feature on one iPhone to backup the other, even though 
> > each iPhone has its own SIM card now, something about poor network 
> > conditions. Wonder if I should've gotten that wireless device 
> > instead, and why the Nokia will let me backup with the hotspot feature 
> > while the iPhone won't?
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RE: knowing where you are in a list of emails

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I would report it to Apple Accessibility


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicky 
Collins
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 5:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: knowing where you are in a list of emails

Since iOS 13, I no longer am able to see where I am in a list of emails. For 
example, if I'm in the trash folder and am scrolling through the list, either 
by swiping or using the vertical scroll bar, it just gives a page number range 
but doesn't say 36 of 50 or 2 of 10 when on a message. Or, grin, my memory is 
failing me here. Perhaps it didn't give the number for the specific message but 
just the range of messages on the specific screen, like 23 to 42 of 50. But, 
either way, that information seems to be missing for me now.

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RE: Voiceover, all system sounds an d vibrations stop after making many phone calls

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Here is the reply I received from Apple Accessibility:

Thank you for your email. We appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you know 
that Apple is currently investigating this issue. We cannot comment on when it 
may be resolved.

Let's hope it gets resolved soon. Whenever the next update comes out and this 
is still not resolved I certainly plan to send another email as well as call, 
they need to understand that this is a fairly critical issue and they simply 
have to resolve it promptly.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: 'wui chin Leong' via VIPhone  
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 4:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover, all system sounds an d vibrations stop after making 
many phone calls

It happens when you make a face time call

> On Sep 30, 2019, at 5:16 AM, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> 
> Well, on my iPhone X I could not reproduce this bug. Maybe I don't make 
> enough phone calls. Does this bug include FaceTime calls? Let's see if I can 
> reproduce this on my 11 Pro.
> 
> want to join my WhatsApp group VIP Apple Users? Email me privately and I will 
> happily add you.
> maria2...@gmail.com
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2019, at 3:24 AM, 'Angelina Stabile' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The same thing happened to me. I reported this bug to Apple. They are 
>> working on it.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2019, at 2:36 AM, Chantal Ferreira 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The same thing has happened to me. But the suggestions of phoning 
>>> my phone or turning it off and on has not helped.
>>> 
>>> The strange thing is that I can bring up Siri and get the feedback 
>>> and then when I'm on the Siri screen VoiceOver works. But the minute 
>>> I go back to the home screen, nothing.
>>> 
>>> I have no idea what else to do.
>>> 
>>> Any other suggestions.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> 
>>> Chantal
>>> 
> On 9/30/19, karuna Chopra  wrote:
 Yes! You are absolutely right! I have had this happening to me at 
 least three or four times a day! Not only is it very and Irving, 
 but I also end up wasting a lot of time. Often times I have to get 
 cited help to get my phone back up and running! Very very frustrating!
 
 
>> On 30-Sep-2019, at 2:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
 
 
 All I can say is to bombard Apple Accessibility wit emails about ithis.
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
 Of ke...@kellford.com
 Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 2:11 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com; accessibil...@apple.com
 Subject: RE: Voiceover, all system sounds an d vibrations stop 
 after making many phone calls
 
 I get this also with more than a few calls I’ve made with iOS 13 and 13.1.
 Just yesterday it happened on three successive calls for example.
 
 Kelly
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
 Of Sieghard Weitzel
 Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 3:24 PM
 To: 'accessibil...@apple.com' 
 Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Voiceover, all system sounds an d vibrations stop after 
 making many phone calls
 
 Hello,
 
 I have been an iOS/iDevice user since 2009 when the iPhone 3GS and 
 the third Gen iPod Touch were first released with Voiceover and I 
 have also been beta testing new iOS releases for many years.
 
 I started Beta testing iOS 13 almost since the start of the public 
 beta program and already experienced the issue I mentioned in the 
 subject line throughout the beta cycle.
 I as well as other Voiceover beta testers I know have reported  
 this via the Feedback app during the beta cycle. I am sure given 
 how many other Voiceover users experience this, it has also been 
 reported to Apple Accessibility since the official release.
 I will also CC this to the Viphone list where visually impaired 
 users discuss iOS and iOS devices so they can forward this back to 
 Apple accessibility, I tried to outline the issue in as much detail 
 as possible so there is no point for others to have to re-write all 
 this, but of course everybody can feel free to add any comments to what I 
 wrote.
 
 The issue:
 you make a phone call and after you hang up all sounds go away as 
 do vibrations.
 
 Different users seem to be effected differently, some experience 
 this more than others, but it happens on phone calls, Facetime 
 calls as well as calls with other apps such as Skype.
 It used to be that for me it mostly happened if I was using the 
 wired Apple Earpods and then asked SIRI to call somebody and then 
 used te in-line remote button on the Earpods cable to hang up the call.
 Now in iOS 13.1.1 it seems worse for me, yesterday I made two calls 
 directly from the phone without any headset and hung up with a 
 2-finger double tap and both times my phone went silent and it is 
 then extremely 

RE: Factory Reset

[Sieghard Weitzel]

What you heard was probably SIRI and not voiceover.
I am surprised Apple Accessibility didn't ask you to check the volume level, 
this is usually the first thing I check or recommend if somebody says they 
don't have Voiceover any more and plugging in a headset is another easy way to 
check it since headset volume and external speaker volume are independent from 
each other. This means even if your external speaker volume is 0% your headset 
volume typically is still fine and if you plug in a headset you usually hear 
Voiceover. Then at least you can make sure you can properly unlock your phone 
before unplugging the headset and trying to raise the volume.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chantal 
Ferreira
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 9:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Factory Reset

Hi Sieghard

Seems like my volume was down somehow. Thank you for the suggestion. I didn't 
even think of that.

It's just strange how I could hear VoiceOver on the Siri screen but not on the 
home screen.

Thank you again.

Kind regards

Chantal


On 9/30/19, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Have you made sure the volume isn't simply turned down to 0%?
> See what happens if you plug in a wired headset, probably easiest to 
> use the Earpods which came with your iPhone.
> You could also make sure it's unlocked, maybe get sighted help so you 
> know for sure it's unlocked, then do a 2-finger swipe down so 
> Voiceover is talking and after that repeatedly press the volume up 
> button, you want to do this at least 6 or 8 times and see if you start 
> hearing Voiceover.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Chantal Ferreira
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 7:10 AM
> To: viphone 
> Subject: Factory Reset
>
> Good afternoon All
>
> I am sitting with an iPhone SE that's VoiceOver does not want to work 
> on the home screens or in apps.
>
> The strange thing is that VoiceOver works when I receive or make calls 
> and when I'm on the Siri screen.
>
> I have done a hard reset, turned my phone off and on, numberous times, 
> even tried turning VoiceOver off and on after a call. Nothing works.
> Apple accessibly say they have not heard of this and cannot duplicate 
> so they have no suggestions for me.
>
>
> So I think I will try a factory reset.
>
> How do I do this and then restore the phone to the way it was before 
> the Voice stopped working?
>
> Thank you in advance for any assistance.
>
>
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>
> Chantal
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Re: Factory Reset

[Chantal Ferreira]

Hi Sieghard

Seems like my volume was down somehow. Thank you for the suggestion. I
didn't even think of that.

It's just strange how I could hear VoiceOver on the Siri screen but
not on the home screen.

Thank you again.

Kind regards

Chantal


On 9/30/19, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Have you made sure the volume isn't simply turned down to 0%?
> See what happens if you plug in a wired headset, probably easiest to use the
> Earpods which came with your iPhone.
> You could also make sure it's unlocked, maybe get sighted help so you know
> for sure it's unlocked, then do a 2-finger swipe down so Voiceover is
> talking and after that repeatedly press the volume up button, you want to do
> this at least 6 or 8 times and see if you start hearing Voiceover.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Chantal Ferreira
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 7:10 AM
> To: viphone 
> Subject: Factory Reset
>
> Good afternoon All
>
> I am sitting with an iPhone SE that's VoiceOver does not want to work on the
> home screens or in apps.
>
> The strange thing is that VoiceOver works when I receive or make calls and
> when I'm on the Siri screen.
>
> I have done a hard reset, turned my phone off and on, numberous times, even
> tried turning VoiceOver off and on after a call. Nothing works.
> Apple accessibly say they have not heard of this and cannot duplicate so
> they have no suggestions for me.
>
>
> So I think I will try a factory reset.
>
> How do I do this and then restore the phone to the way it was before the
> Voice stopped working?
>
> Thank you in advance for any assistance.
>
>
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>
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RE: having to unlock the phone before getting calendar appointments

[khevener]

Paula, this happens to me too.  I just unlock and all is good.  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul and Paula Jordan
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 11:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: having to unlock the phone before getting calendar appointments

 

Hi all. I’m using an IPhone 7 running 12.4.1.  I just recently noticed that I 
can’t check my calendar appointments without unlocking the phone.  Is this 
something new or can I change a setting so I can use “Hey Siri”?  just curious. 
 Not a big deal.

God bless!

Paula and Garçon

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RE: Factory Reset

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Have you made sure the volume isn't simply turned down to 0%?
See what happens if you plug in a wired headset, probably easiest to use the 
Earpods which came with your iPhone.
You could also make sure it's unlocked, maybe get sighted help so you know for 
sure it's unlocked, then do a 2-finger swipe down so Voiceover is talking and 
after that repeatedly press the volume up button, you want to do this at least 
6 or 8 times and see if you start hearing Voiceover.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chantal 
Ferreira
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 7:10 AM
To: viphone 
Subject: Factory Reset

Good afternoon All

I am sitting with an iPhone SE that's VoiceOver does not want to work on the 
home screens or in apps.

The strange thing is that VoiceOver works when I receive or make calls and when 
I'm on the Siri screen.

I have done a hard reset, turned my phone off and on, numberous times, even 
tried turning VoiceOver off and on after a call. Nothing works.
Apple accessibly say they have not heard of this and cannot duplicate so they 
have no suggestions for me.


So I think I will try a factory reset.

How do I do this and then restore the phone to the way it was before the Voice 
stopped working?

Thank you in advance for any assistance.


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RE: Reviving an old iPad

[Sieghard Weitzel]

There are some apps where I have seen in the What's new section that they 
dropped support for iOS 10 or even iOS 11, but I think you'll find most apps 
still work with iOS 10.
iOS 10 was the first version of iOS which warned users that 32 Bit apps may 
slow down the OS, but 32 Bit apps were still supported, in iOS 11 support for 
32-bit apps was dropped entirely and unless developers upgraded their apps to 
64-bit architecture they don't work any more and are probably not to be found 
on the app store any more.
I remember a few people had a really hard time to let go of some apps, but I 
can't remember what they were any more.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joe 
Orozco
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 9:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Reviving an old iPad

I assume I can get the exact model number in Settings?

So far the battery seems to work surprisingly well.

Is app compatibility just going to be a hit or miss?

I don't want to chuck the thing just because it's not up to iOS 13. I guess I 
just want a realistic sense of what I might expect before going through the 
trouble of setting it up.

Thanks for the response so far.

Joe


On 9/30/19, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> The first iPad to feature a Lightning connector was the iPad 4th 
> Generation which was released on November 2, 2012 with an A6X 
> processor and it was discontinued on October 16, 2014.
> It was released with iOS 6.0.1 and the latest version of iOS which is 
> supported is 10.3.4 which was released on July 22, 2019.
> It should still work fine, not sure how much battery life you get out 
> of it after such a long time especially if it has been gathering dust 
> sitting somewhere with a dead battery.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joe Orozco
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 8:39 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Reviving an old iPad
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a 10 inch iPad I'm considering resurrecting. I don't know how 
> old it is. It was probably one of the first, if not the first, to 
> feature the lightning connector, if that gives you some idea. I'm 
> guessing this older model is no longer being supported, and if so, how 
> much functionality would I be able to get out of it? I'm looking for a 
> good traveling replacement for my larger laptop, which I'm hoping I 
> can keep home in favor of the lighter tablet. But I don't want to go 
> through the trouble of resurrecting it if my mileage will be severely 
> limited. I want to be able to check email, do Internet browsing, read 
> some RSS feeds, and maybe stream some movies. Thank you in advance for 
> any tips you can pass my way on whether or not I can breathe new life into 
> this thing.
>
> Best,
>
> Joe
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RE: Going to upgrade my phone soon

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I completely agree with Alan, you should definitely get the iPhone 11 and just 
learn to deal with a device with no home button, it’s not as if the home button 
will be back in a year or two and eventually you have to learn how to use one 
which doesn’t have it.
As for Touch Id, well, it sounds like maybe we may see devices in a year or two 
or three which have both Face Id and the option of Touch Id, but I wouldn’t 
hold my breath and I think if Face Id is setup properly you will have little 
trouble with it especially on the iPhone 11 where it works at even greater 
angles and faster.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 8:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Going to upgrade my phone soon

Andy,

You should focus on which features you really want or which ones you'd rather 
not deal with before making an iPhone upgrade decision. For example, if you 
really want a home button, your choices are the iPhone 7 or 8. If you don't 
want to deal with face ID, your choices are also the iPhone 7 or 8. If face ID 
is not an issue and you plan to get a new iPhone with 256GB of memory, I'd 
recommend the 11 instead of the XR simply because it is the latest model with 
the most power and will work longer into the future than older models. Be aware 
that the newer model phones are continuing to get larger however so you might 
visit a store where you can put your hands on one to ensure its size won't be a 
problem.

Good luck with your upgrade decision.

Alan Lemly

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Subject: Going to upgrade my phone soon

Hello All, I am currently using the Iphone 6s which has 128gigs.  Which phone 
would any of you recommend to upgrade to?  I will look for believe the phones 
with 256 gigs as I don’t want to worry about adding apps and deleting them.  I 
also have 5 grand children and have tons of videos that is sent to me via txt 
and tons of audible books that I want to keep on the phone.  I know Richard 
recommended the 8s or something.  The other wish is to get a phone that is not 
too big as I don’t need to see anything but to use gestures...I am totally 
blind.  Thank you so much for all this list does for people.  Andy and Shubert
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Re: Reviving an old iPad

[Joe Orozco]

I assume I can get the exact model number in Settings?

So far the battery seems to work surprisingly well.

Is app compatibility just going to be a hit or miss?

I don't want to chuck the thing just because it's not up to iOS 13. I
guess I just want a realistic sense of what I might expect before
going through the trouble of setting it up.

Thanks for the response so far.

Joe


On 9/30/19, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> The first iPad to feature a Lightning connector was the iPad 4th Generation
> which was released on November 2, 2012 with an A6X processor and it was
> discontinued on October 16, 2014.
> It was released with iOS 6.0.1 and the latest version of iOS which is
> supported is 10.3.4 which was released on July 22, 2019.
> It should still work fine, not sure how much battery life you get out of it
> after such a long time especially if it has been gathering dust sitting
> somewhere with a dead battery.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joe
> Orozco
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 8:39 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Reviving an old iPad
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a 10 inch iPad I'm considering resurrecting. I don't know how old it
> is. It was probably one of the first, if not the first, to feature the
> lightning connector, if that gives you some idea. I'm guessing this older
> model is no longer being supported, and if so, how much functionality would
> I be able to get out of it? I'm looking for a good traveling replacement for
> my larger laptop, which I'm hoping I can keep home in favor of the lighter
> tablet. But I don't want to go through the trouble of resurrecting it if my
> mileage will be severely limited. I want to be able to check email, do
> Internet browsing, read some RSS feeds, and maybe stream some movies. Thank
> you in advance for any tips you can pass my way on whether or not I can
> breathe new life into this thing.
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> Best,
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> Joe
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RE: Pulsating response

[Keao wright]

I had to do that when I noticed my phone was vibrating with haptics on.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jennie 
Facer
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 5:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pulsating response

 

Hi,

 

Go to settings, accessibility, Voiceover, Audio and then sounds and haptics. 
You can turn all haptics off or or just the ones you want off. Hope this helps,

 

 

 

Jenn and Kumi

TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!

 

On Sep 30, 2019, at 8:20 AM, Reg Sullivan mailto:regs2...@rogers.com> > wrote:

 



Anyone else know if Appple has this on their radar to be added to the fixit 
list?

I’m happy to make them aware of it.

 

Regards….Reg

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mich Verrier

Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 9:02 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: RE: Pulsating response

 

Hi I think that the pulsating is haptic feed badck but I have not found how to 
turne this off. I have the hapteck feedback turned off. And still feel this 
pulsing that you are talking about. From Mich.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Reg 
Sullivan

Sent: September 30, 2019 9:01 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: Pulsating response

 

Good morning all.  After upgrading to 13.1 my IPhone 8  is responding with what 
feels like an electronic pulse with every swipe.  Anybody know what this is and 
how to turn it off?

Also, battery life has been very short after this upgrade.  Any tips?

 

 

Best….Reg

 

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RE: Reviving an old iPad

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The first iPad to feature a Lightning connector was the iPad 4th Generation 
which was released on November 2, 2012 with an A6X processor and it was 
discontinued on October 16, 2014.
It was released with iOS 6.0.1 and the latest version of iOS which is supported 
is 10.3.4 which was released on July 22, 2019.
It should still work fine, not sure how much battery life you get out of it 
after such a long time especially if it has been gathering dust sitting 
somewhere with a dead battery.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joe 
Orozco
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 8:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Reviving an old iPad

Hi,

I have a 10 inch iPad I'm considering resurrecting. I don't know how old it is. 
It was probably one of the first, if not the first, to feature the lightning 
connector, if that gives you some idea. I'm guessing this older model is no 
longer being supported, and if so, how much functionality would I be able to 
get out of it? I'm looking for a good traveling replacement for my larger 
laptop, which I'm hoping I can keep home in favor of the lighter tablet. But I 
don't want to go through the trouble of resurrecting it if my mileage will be 
severely limited. I want to be able to check email, do Internet browsing, read 
some RSS feeds, and maybe stream some movies. Thank you in advance for any tips 
you can pass my way on whether or not I can breathe new life into this thing.

Best,

Joe

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Re: Pulsating response

[Jennie Facer]

> Hi,
> 
> Go to settings, accessibility, Voiceover, Audio and then sounds and haptics. 
> You can turn all haptics off or or just the ones you want off. Hope this 
> helps,
> 
> 
> 
> Jenn and Kumi
> TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!
> 
> On Sep 30, 2019, at 8:20 AM, Reg Sullivan  wrote:
> 
> 
> Anyone else know if Appple has this on their radar to be added to the fixit 
> list?
> I’m happy to make them aware of it.
>  
> Regards….Reg
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mich Verrier
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 9:02 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Pulsating response
>  
> Hi I think that the pulsating is haptic feed badck but I have not found how 
> to turne this off. I have the hapteck feedback turned off. And still feel 
> this pulsing that you are talking about. From Mich.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Reg 
> Sullivan
> Sent: September 30, 2019 9:01 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Pulsating response
>  
> Good morning all.  After upgrading to 13.1 my IPhone 8  is responding with 
> what feels like an electronic pulse with every swipe.  Anybody know what this 
> is and how to turn it off?
> Also, battery life has been very short after this upgrade.  Any tips?
>  
>  
> Best….Reg
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RE: Going to upgrade my phone soon

[Alan Lemly]

Andy,

 

You should focus on which features you really want or which ones you'd rather 
not deal with before making an iPhone upgrade decision. For example, if you 
really want a home button, your choices are the iPhone 7 or 8. If you don't 
want to deal with face ID, your choices are also the iPhone 7 or 8. If face ID 
is not an issue and you plan to get a new iPhone with 256GB of memory, I'd 
recommend the 11 instead of the XR simply because it is the latest model with 
the most power and will work longer into the future than older models. Be aware 
that the newer model phones are continuing to get larger however so you might 
visit a store where you can put your hands on one to ensure its size won't be a 
problem.

 

Good luck with your upgrade decision.

 

Alan Lemly

 

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Andrew J. LaPointe
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 7:39 AM
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Subject: Going to upgrade my phone soon

 

Hello All, I am currently using the Iphone 6s which has 128gigs.  Which phone 
would any of you recommend to upgrade to?  I will look for believe the phones 
with 256 gigs as I don’t want to worry about adding apps and deleting them.  I 
also have 5 grand children and have tons of videos that is sent to me via txt 
and tons of audible books that I want to keep on the phone.  I know Richard 
recommended the 8s or something.  The other wish is to get a phone that is not 
too big as I don’t need to see anything but to use gestures...I am totally 
blind.  Thank you so much for all this list does for people.  Andy and Shubert

Andrew J. LaPointe
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P.O. Box 1077
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Home, 978-745-4289
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disappearing documents after saving with voice dream scanner

[Paul and Paula Jordan]

Hi.  The message says it all.  I have a friend who purchased voice dream
scanner and scanned a document.  He saved it, but can’t find it now.  Where
do documents go when you don’t specify where you want them saved?  Thanks.

God bless!

Paula and Garçon

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having to unlock the phone before getting calendar appointments

[Paul and Paula Jordan]

Hi all. I’m using an IPhone 7 running 12.4.1.  I just recently noticed that
I can’t check my calendar appointments without unlocking the phone.  Is this
something new or can I change a setting so I can use “Hey Siri”?  just
curious.  Not a big deal.

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Reviving an old iPad

[Joe Orozco]

Hi,

I have a 10 inch iPad I'm considering resurrecting. I don't know how
old it is. It was probably one of the first, if not the first, to
feature the lightning connector, if that gives you some idea. I'm
guessing this older model is no longer being supported, and if so, how
much functionality would I be able to get out of it? I'm looking for a
good traveling replacement for my larger laptop, which I'm hoping I
can keep home in favor of the lighter tablet. But I don't want to go
through the trouble of resurrecting it if my mileage will be severely
limited. I want to be able to check email, do Internet browsing, read
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any tips you can pass my way on whether or not I can breathe new life
into this thing.

Best,

Joe

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Re: Silence Unknown Callers is great!

[Shirley Baker]

So if someone calls and you have silence calls turned on, where do you find the 
phone number Of who called? Will it be in the recent calls list or missed calls 
or what will show up if anything? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 29, 2019, at 6:41 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  settings, Phone, Silence unknown callers which is toward the bottom of the 
> phone settings screen.
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 
> 
> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2019, at 4:10 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
>>> 
>> ok, so where is this option?  I haven't gone looking for it.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Jed
>> 
>>> On 9/29/19, Keith Bierman  wrote:
>>> "...ut can't as we use delivery services such as Uber Eats, Lyft and
>>> the like that calls need to come through at times and they are not in
>>> our contact list, so darn, we lose, I guess. LOL"
>>> 
>>> Unless you are getting such calls constantly ... it's not hard to turn on,
>>> and toggle off until you've got dinner (or whatever) and then turn it back
>>> on.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 5:45 AM Lisa P. Geibel 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 My husband, Marcus, and I would love to use this feature to avoid Robo
 calls, but can't as we use delivery services such as Uber Eats, Lyft and
 the like that calls need to come through at times and they are not in
 our contact list, so darn, we lose, I guess. LOL
 
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RE: downgrade an iphone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If Apple still signs iOS 12.4.1 it can certainly be done, there is not much to 
it as long as you made sure you downloaded the IPSW file for your specific 
model of iPhone.
All you have to do is disable Find my iPhone, connect the iPhone to your PC, 
open iTunes and in the phone section tab to Restore and press Shift + Enter.
A standard Open file dialogue appears, browse to your iPSW file and press enter.
You will probably be prompted that you are installing iOS 12.4.1 and probably 
have to press OK or Continue and then it will just go through the install the 
same way as if you upgrade via iTunes.
Keep in mind that unless you have an archived backup done under iOS 12.4.1 you 
have to set up your phone as a new phone, you cannot restore a backup made in 
iOS 13 on a device which runs iOS 12.
Also, make sure the IPSW file you downloaded is for 12.4.1 which was released 
on August 26, that is the only version of iOS 12 which is still supported, 12.4 
or any of the 12.3 versions cannot be used any more.

I find it interesting that you find the Notification Centre such a mess, on my 
iPhone 8 with iOS 13.1.1 it can be a little bit unpredictable at times,but for 
the most part it works as it should.
I don’t use Braille or any hearing aids and I don’t use Flicktype any more 
since I prefer to practice using the slide keyboard and really the only serious 
issue I consider annoying is the issue when after some phone calls Voiceover 
and other sounds take a vacation, but I have learned how to deal with it for 
now and hope Apple will finally get around to it now that the public release of 
iOS 13 is out and hopefully everybody who has complained about it on the list 
has also emailed Apple Accessibility about it or called them or even better 
both.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 4:06 AM
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Subject: Re: downgrade an iphone

i do not know if this entire process can be done without sighted assistance, 
but here is one article I found.
I'd call Apple Accessibility if it were me, but here is the article I found:
https://ios.gadgethacks.com/how-to/downgrade-ios-13-back-ios-12-4-1-your-iphone-using-itunes-finder-0198642/

Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.



On Sep 30, 2019, at 2:21 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

Hi folks

I am fed up with all the bugs especially the mess in the notification center.

Is it possible for a blind one to downgrade its iphone?
You have to download the right ipsw file which I managed to do without any 
problem. But then, starting itunes, go to your iphone and press the repair 
button with the mouse together with holding in the shift key at least for 
windows itunes users.
Can this be done being totally blind? Who has experience?
Regards
Davy
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Lazarillo

[Joe Orozco]

Please forgive the second GPS question of the day.

How can I set Lazarillo to display current route status while
following a walking route? On the screen it will show the walking
directions, but I think I'm an idiot and cannot see the number of feet
before switching to the next turning point. I'd like some indication
of how much further I should go before hitting the next turning point.

Thank you kindly in advance for any assistance.

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Nearby Explorer and Longer Walking Routes

[Joe Orozco]

Hello,

When comparing Nearby Explorer to Google Maps and Lazarillo, it seems
Nearby Explorer unnecessarily complicates a walking route. This
weekend I typed in a destination. From my starting point, Google Maps
and Lazarillo outlined a route that was basically a capital L, whereas
Nearby Explorer took half a dozen turns that seemed illogical for what
should have been a straightforward route. This is not the first time I
noticed the complicated route comparison.

In my Settings, Google is set as the address and search provider.

I notice that route optimization is dimmed. That is to say, the
apparent ability to find the fastest route is dimmed. I'm not sure if
flipping that setting somehow would help?

I really like Nearby Explorer's ability to call out upcoming
intersections. I like the ability to point the phone vertically and
get a sense of the next few streets ahead of me, but the unnecessary
complicated routes makes this something of a nuisance.

Can anyone offer any helpful tips?

Thanks,

Joe

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RE: Pulsating response

[Reg Sullivan]

Anyone else know if Appple has this on their radar to be added to the fixit 
list?

I’m happy to make them aware of it. 

 

Regards….Reg

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mich Verrier
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 9:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Pulsating response

 

Hi I think that the pulsating is haptic feed badck but I have not found how to 
turne this off. I have the hapteck feedback turned off. And still feel this 
pulsing that you are talking about. From Mich.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Reg 
Sullivan
Sent: September 30, 2019 9:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Pulsating response

 

Good morning all.  After upgrading to 13.1 my IPhone 8  is responding with what 
feels like an electronic pulse with every swipe.  Anybody know what this is and 
how to turn it off?

Also, battery life has been very short after this upgrade.  Any tips?

 

 

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RE: Not Getting Mail Tone

[Carolyn Arnold]

I am not getting the sound either, since downloading 13.1.1. Before that, I was.

I went to Mail in Settings and checked Sound and Sound in Notifications and 
Sound with screen locked - but, no sound with incoming email. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Vicky Collins
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 12:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Not Getting Mail Tone

With my iPhone 7 and 8 Plus, both now running iOS 13.1.1, I don't hear the new 
message tone when I first open the app and the messages come in. Well, let me 
clarify a bit here. Most often, I download the email to my blindness notetaker 
where it is set to delete the messages from the server, read the messages, and 
then open the email app on my iPhone to then permanently clear the messages 
from the trash.

So, when I would open the mail program on my iPhone running iOS 12.4, the trash 
folder would open, the messages would download, and the tone would then play. 
Now, with iOS 13, when the mail program opens on my phone, it opens to the 
inbox, which is usually empty. I then switch to the trash folder, the messages 
then download, but no sound plays. However, if in the meantime a new mail 
should come into the inbox on the phone, then the new mail tone will indeed 
play.

Also, for some reason, when I delete the messages from the trash on my phones, 
not all of them delete the first time, and I have to do the select all and 
delete again to get the remaining few messages, usually older messages and 
under 10 in number.

- Original Message -
From: Carolyn Arnold  <4carol...@windstream.net>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 29, 2019 8:40 pm
Subject: RE: Not Getting Mail Tone

>
>
> I hear it on my SE, just did tonight. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Shirley Baker
> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 6:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Not Getting Mail Tone
> 
> I finally heard it, so disregard my message please.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Sep 29, 2019, at 5:42 PM, dacia.l...@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > "I haven't heard that tone and I don't know how long. I haven't heard it on 
> > my iPhone 8 which I've had for several months, and before that, I don't 
> > know the last time I heard it on my iPhone 6.
> > Dacia
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On Sep 29, 2019, at 5:13 PM, Shirley Baker  
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> >> I went to sounds to make sure that the mail sound I want is selected but I 
> >> don't hear it when I get mail. I am using an iPhone 6S plus with the 
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Factory Reset

[Chantal Ferreira]

Good afternoon All

I am sitting with an iPhone SE that's VoiceOver does not want to work
on the home screens or in apps.

The strange thing is that VoiceOver works when I receive or make calls
and when I'm on the Siri screen.

I have done a hard reset, turned my phone off and on, numberous times,
even tried turning VoiceOver off and on after a call. Nothing works.
Apple accessibly say they have not heard of this and cannot duplicate
so they have no suggestions for me.


So I think I will try a factory reset.

How do I do this and then restore the phone to the way it was before
the Voice stopped working?

Thank you in advance for any assistance.


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RE: iPhone SE battery

[Carolyn Arnold]

I think you're right, Lenron. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
lenron brown
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She would honestly be fine with the SE

On 9/30/19, Vicky Collins  wrote:
> As you can tell, I do tend to switch iPhone's from time to time, but 
> haven't yet ventured into trying the ones with face ID. But, my 
> question here is, is it worth me giving my old iPhone SE to my sister, 
> or am I doing her a disservice in the end because of the lower battery 
> capacity?
>
> Anyway, since my sighted sister is using a four-year-old $19 pay as 
> you go phone from AT, a 3G phone where she can no longer get a 
> signal in her house in the rural area where we live, I purchased a 
> used iPhone 7 from one of the blindness lists , thinking to give it to 
> her. However, grin, I made the mistake of giving her the choice 
> between my iPhone SE and the 7, and she preferred the smaller SE.
>
> I haven't yet given her the phone because she is on my brother's 
> account, and he needs to go to the AT store here to get her the new 
> SIM card for the phone, since the phone she has now takes a micro SIM. 
> I did, though, confirm that the phone would indeed work at her house. 
> And, just before I reset the phone to factory defaults, I checked its 
> battery health, and the maximum capacity given for that phone was 81 
> percent. It did say that the battery was supporting normal peak 
> performance. As I've mentioned previously, my source of internet right 
> now is via personal hotspot, my choice as I'm not yet ready to leave 
> AT, and I guess it didn't do the battery on the SE any good. I 
> purchased the phone new from Amazon a little over a year ago, so guess 
> I'll have to watch my battery care a bit better with my future phones.
>
> As a side note for anyone still reading, I did go to AT store a 
> while back and get a SIM card for a second line for myself. With my 
> AT Unlimited and more Premium plan, we discussed both the second 
> line or adding some sort of wireless hotspot device to my one-line 
> plan. If memory serves, the rep told me that, if I were to choose the 
> wireless device, I would get 50 GB of data, a home phone number but I 
> wouldn't necessarily have to use it, and I could either pay the $200 
> for the hotspot device, or I could pay it off in monthly payments. So, 
> since I already had a second iPhone, I just opted for the second line 
> with its additional 15 GB of mobile hotspot. And, of course, I can just 
> cancel this second line at any time.
>
> Oh, one more side note, even though I can use the hotspot on my Nokia 
> 6 to backup my iPhones to iCloud here at my apartment, I still can't 
> use this same feature on one iPhone to backup the other, even though 
> each iPhone has its own SIM card now, something about poor network 
> conditions. Wonder if I should've gotten that wireless device instead, 
> and why the Nokia will let me backup with the hotspot feature while the 
> iPhone won't?
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RE: iPhone SE battery

[Carolyn Arnold]

I bought my new SE a year and a half ago, and recent checked showed peak 
battery at 99 percent. I don't know why there should be such a difference. Of 
course, our phone habits might be different. I talk as much as I want to, 
sometimes several hours a day, ask Siri for a lot of information, do some 
texting and rare emailing on it. Two hours each day, I do a tinnitus treatment 
program using Bluetooth. The only reason I'm saying all of this is to get some 
kind of idea about battery. My SE is a 32 gb. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Vicky Collins
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 1:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhone SE battery

As you can tell, I do tend to switch iPhone's from time to time, but haven't 
yet ventured into trying the ones with face ID. But, my question here is, is it 
worth me giving my old iPhone SE to my sister, or am I doing her a disservice 
in the end because of the lower battery capacity?

Anyway, since my sighted sister is using a four-year-old $19 pay as you go 
phone from AT, a 3G phone where she can no longer get a signal in her house 
in the rural area where we live, I purchased a used iPhone 7 from one of the 
blindness lists , thinking to give it to her. However, grin, I made the mistake 
of giving her the choice between my iPhone SE and the 7, and she preferred the 
smaller SE.

I haven't yet given her the phone because she is on my brother's account, and 
he needs to go to the AT store here to get her the new SIM card for the 
phone, since the phone she has now takes a micro SIM. I did, though, confirm 
that the phone would indeed work at her house. And, just before I reset the 
phone to factory defaults, I checked its battery health, and the maximum 
capacity given for that phone was 81 percent. It did say that the battery was 
supporting normal peak performance. As I've mentioned previously, my source of 
internet right now is via personal hotspot, my choice as I'm not yet ready to 
leave AT, and I guess it didn't do the battery on the SE any good. I 
purchased the phone new from Amazon a little over a year ago, so guess I'll 
have to watch my battery care a bit better with my future phones.

As a side note for anyone still reading, I did go to AT store a while back 
and get a SIM card for a second line for myself. With my AT Unlimited and 
more Premium plan, we discussed both the second line or adding some sort of 
wireless hotspot device to my one-line plan. If memory serves, the rep told me 
that, if I were to choose the wireless device, I would get 50 GB of data, a 
home phone number but I wouldn't necessarily have to use it, and I could either 
pay the $200 for the hotspot device, or I could pay it off in monthly payments. 
So, since I already had a second iPhone, I just opted for the second line with 
its additional 15 GB of mobile hotspot. And, of course, I can just cancel this 
second line at any time.

Oh, one more side note, even though I can use the hotspot on my Nokia 6 to 
backup my iPhones to iCloud here at my apartment, I still can't use this same 
feature on one iPhone to backup the other, even though each iPhone has its own 
SIM card now, something about poor network conditions. Wonder if I should've 
gotten that wireless device instead, and why the Nokia will let me backup with 
the hotspot feature while the iPhone won't?

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Re: Voiceover, all system sounds an d vibrations stop after making many phone calls

['Annelie Robledo' via VIPhone]

I received a phone call this morning. I answered the call but before hanging up 
I turned off voiceover while on the call when the call hung up on its own I 
waited a few minutes and brought the voiceover back by clicking the side button 
three times this worked for me I hope this helps Yesterday all I could do was 
do a hard reboot and that is what the people that accessibility told me to do I 
do not like to do that because I feel that it’s going to end up ruining my phone

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2019, at 6:17 AM, 'wui chin Leong' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> It happens when you make a face time call
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2019, at 5:16 AM, Maria Reyes  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, on my iPhone X I could not reproduce this bug. Maybe I don't make 
>> enough phone calls. Does this bug include FaceTime calls? Let's see if I can 
>> reproduce this on my 11 Pro.
>> 
>> want to join my WhatsApp group VIP Apple Users? Email me privately and I 
>> will happily add you.
>> maria2...@gmail.com
>> 
 On Sep 30, 2019, at 3:24 AM, 'Angelina Stabile' via VIPhone 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The same thing happened to me. I reported this bug to Apple. They are 
>>> working on it.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 30, 2019, at 2:36 AM, Chantal Ferreira 
  wrote:
 
 The same thing has happened to me. But the suggestions of phoning my
 phone or turning it off and on has not helped.
 
 The strange thing is that I can bring up Siri and get the feedback and
 then when I'm on the Siri screen VoiceOver works. But the minute I go
 back to the home screen, nothing.
 
 I have no idea what else to do.
 
 Any other suggestions.
 
 Kind regards
 
 Chantal
 
>> On 9/30/19, karuna Chopra  wrote:
> Yes! You are absolutely right! I have had this happening to me at least
> three or four times a day! Not only is it very and Irving, but I also end 
> up
> wasting a lot of time. Often times I have to get cited help to get my 
> phone
> back up and running! Very very frustrating!
> 
> 
>>> On 30-Sep-2019, at 2:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
> 
> 
> All I can say is to bombard Apple Accessibility wit emails about ithis.
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> ke...@kellford.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 2:11 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; accessibil...@apple.com
> Subject: RE: Voiceover, all system sounds an d vibrations stop after 
> making
> many phone calls
> 
> I get this also with more than a few calls I’ve made with iOS 13 and 13.1.
> Just yesterday it happened on three successive calls for example.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 3:24 PM
> To: 'accessibil...@apple.com' 
> Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Voiceover, all system sounds an d vibrations stop after making 
> many
> phone calls
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have been an iOS/iDevice user since 2009 when the iPhone 3GS and the 
> third
> Gen iPod Touch were first released with Voiceover and I have also been 
> beta
> testing new iOS releases for many years.
> 
> I started Beta testing iOS 13 almost since the start of the public beta
> program and already experienced the issue I mentioned in the subject line
> throughout the beta cycle.
> I as well as other Voiceover beta testers I know have reported  this via 
> the
> Feedback app during the beta cycle. I am sure given how many other 
> Voiceover
> users experience this, it has also been reported to Apple Accessibility
> since the official release.
> I will also CC this to the Viphone list where visually impaired users
> discuss iOS and iOS devices so they can forward this back to Apple
> accessibility, I tried to outline the issue in as much detail as possible 
> so
> there is no point for others to have to re-write all this, but of course
> everybody can feel free to add any comments to what I wrote.
> 
> The issue:
> you make a phone call and after you hang up all sounds go away as do
> vibrations.
> 
> Different users seem to be effected differently, some experience this more
> than others, but it happens on phone calls, Facetime calls as well as 
> calls
> with other apps such as Skype.
> It used to be that for me it mostly happened if I was using the wired 
> Apple
> Earpods and then asked SIRI to call somebody and then used te in-line 
> remote
> button on the Earpods cable to hang up the call.
> Now in iOS 13.1.1 it seems worse for me, yesterday I made two calls 
> directly
> from the phone without any headset and hung up with a 2-finger double tap
> and both times my phone went silent and it is then extremely difficult 
> for 

RE: iPhone SE battery

[khevener]

I found mine on amazon, so u might try there.  

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Vicky Collins
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 8:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone SE battery

Thanks all for the responses.

Yeah, I did read some of the articles about 80 percent not being so good. 
However, since my sister doesn't drive and we aren't near an Apple store, 
anyway, I figure by the time I paid for a cab to go to the post office, paid 
shipping both ways, and paid for the replacement, I may as well try to see if I 
can find her a used SE somewhere with a better battery. I've been trying for 
about six weeks now to get my brother to go to AT to get the SIM exchanged, 
but he just doesn't get in any hurry. But maybe I'll see if they still have any 
refurbish SE phones at AT, as it can't hurt to ask. 

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
Date: Monday, September 30, 2019 2:01 am
Subject: RE: iPhone SE battery

>
>
> And 81% is not actually so good. When I went to Apple last year with my 6S 
> Plus for their battery replacement offer my battery's capacity was at 84% and 
> they said I would definitely qualify for the $35 Canadian battery replacement 
> they offered until the end of last year.
> But even at the regular price your sister would probably get a lot more 
> enjoyment out of your old iPhone SE if you or she were to get the battery 
> replaced.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> lenron brown
> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 10:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone SE battery
> 
> She would honestly be fine with the SE
> 
> On 9/30/19, Vicky Collins  wrote:
> > As you can tell, I do tend to switch iPhone's from time to time, but 
> > haven't yet ventured into trying the ones with face ID. But, my 
> > question here is, is it worth me giving my old iPhone SE to my 
> > sister, or am I doing her a disservice in the end because of the lower 
> > battery capacity?
> >
> > Anyway, since my sighted sister is using a four-year-old $19 pay as 
> > you go phone from AT, a 3G phone where she can no longer get a 
> > signal in her house in the rural area where we live, I purchased a 
> > used iPhone 7 from one of the blindness lists , thinking to give it 
> > to her. However, grin, I made the mistake of giving her the choice 
> > between my iPhone SE and the 7, and she preferred the smaller SE.
> >
> > I haven't yet given her the phone because she is on my brother's 
> > account, and he needs to go to the AT store here to get her the 
> > new SIM card for the phone, since the phone she has now takes a micro SIM.
> > I did, though, confirm that the phone would indeed work at her house. 
> > And, just before I reset the phone to factory defaults, I checked 
> > its battery health, and the maximum capacity given for that phone 
> > was 81 percent. It did say that the battery was supporting normal 
> > peak performance. As I've mentioned previously, my source of 
> > internet right now is via personal hotspot, my choice as I'm not yet 
> > ready to leave AT, and I guess it didn't do the battery on the SE 
> > any good. I purchased the phone new from Amazon a little over a year 
> > ago, so guess I'll have to watch my battery care a bit better with my 
> > future phones.
> >
> > As a side note for anyone still reading, I did go to AT store a 
> > while back and get a SIM card for a second line for myself. With my 
> > AT Unlimited and more Premium plan, we discussed both the second 
> > line or adding some sort of wireless hotspot device to my one-line 
> > plan. If memory serves, the rep told me that, if I were to choose 
> > the wireless device, I would get 50 GB of data, a home phone number 
> > but I wouldn't necessarily have to use it, and I could either pay 
> > the $200 for the hotspot device, or I could pay it off in monthly 
> > payments. So, since I already had a second iPhone, I just opted for 
> > the second line with its additional 15 GB of mobile hotspot. And, of 
> > course, I can just cancel this second line at any time.
> >
> > Oh, one more side note, even though I can use the hotspot on my 
> > Nokia
> > 6 to backup my iPhones to iCloud here at my apartment, I still can't 
> > use this same feature on one iPhone to backup the other, even though 
> > each iPhone has its own SIM card now, something about poor network 
> > conditions. Wonder if I should've gotten that wireless device 
> > instead, and why the Nokia will let me backup with the hotspot feature 
> > while the iPhone won't?
> >
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RE: Going to upgrade my phone soon

[Tom Rash]

I like the XR.  I don’t have one yet, but that’s what I would go for.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andrew 
J. LaPointe
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 5:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Going to upgrade my phone soon

 

Hello All, I am currently using the Iphone 6s which has 128gigs.  Which phone 
would any of you recommend to upgrade to?  I will look for believe the phones 
with 256 gigs as I don’t want to worry about adding apps and deleting them.  I 
also have 5 grand children and have tons of videos that is sent to me via txt 
and tons of audible books that I want to keep on the phone.  I know Richard 
recommended the 8s or something.  The other wish is to get a phone that is not 
too big as I don’t need to see anything but to use gestures...I am totally 
blind.  Thank you so much for all this list does for people.  Andy and Shubert

Andrew J. LaPointe
President, Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
P.O. Box 1077
Salem, MA. 01970
Home, 978-745-4289
Cell, 978-578-0185

Editor of the Commission Commuter Update and the Safe Disabled Traveler 
Notebook at T.I.C.

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RE: Pulsating response

[Mich Verrier]

Hi I think that the pulsating is haptic feed badck but I have not found how to 
turne this off. I have the hapteck feedback turned off. And still feel this 
pulsing that you are talking about. From Mich.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Reg 
Sullivan
Sent: September 30, 2019 9:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Pulsating response

 

Good morning all.  After upgrading to 13.1 my IPhone 8  is responding with what 
feels like an electronic pulse with every swipe.  Anybody know what this is and 
how to turn it off?

Also, battery life has been very short after this upgrade.  Any tips?

 

 

Best….Reg

 

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Pulsating response

[Reg Sullivan]

Good morning all.  After upgrading to 13.1 my IPhone 8  is responding with
what feels like an electronic pulse with every swipe.  Anybody know what
this is and how to turn it off?

Also, battery life has been very short after this upgrade.  Any tips?

 

 

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knowing where you are in a list of emails

[Vicky Collins]

Since iOS 13, I no longer am able to see where I am in a list of emails. For 
example, if I'm in the trash folder and am scrolling through the list, either 
by swiping or using the vertical scroll bar, it just gives a page number range 
but doesn't say 36 of 50 or 2 of 10 when on a message. Or, grin, my memory is 
failing me here. Perhaps it didn't give the number for the specific message but 
just the range of messages on the specific screen, like 23 to 42 of 50. But, 
either way, that information seems to be missing for me now.

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Going to upgrade my phone soon

[Andrew J. LaPointe]

Hello All, I am currently using the Iphone 6s which has 128gigs.  Which phone 
would any of you recommend to upgrade to?  I will look for believe the phones 
with 256 gigs as I don’t want to worry about adding apps and deleting them.  I 
also have 5 grand children and have tons of videos that is sent to me via txt 
and tons of audible books that I want to keep on the phone.  I know Richard 
recommended the 8s or something.  The other wish is to get a phone that is not 
too big as I don’t need to see anything but to use gestures...I am totally 
blind.  Thank you so much for all this list does for people.  Andy and Shubert
Andrew J. LaPointe
President, Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
P.O. Box 1077
Salem, MA. 01970
Home, 978-745-4289
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Re: iPhone SE battery

[Vicky Collins]

Thanks all for the responses.

Yeah, I did read some of the articles about 80 percent not being so good. 
However, since my sister doesn't drive and we aren't near an Apple store, 
anyway, I figure by the time I paid for a cab to go to the post office, paid 
shipping both ways, and paid for the replacement, I may as well try to see if I 
can find her a used SE somewhere with a better battery. I've been trying for 
about six weeks now to get my brother to go to AT to get the SIM exchanged, 
but he just doesn't get in any hurry. But maybe I'll see if they still have any 
refurbish SE phones at AT, as it can't hurt to ask. 

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
Date: Monday, September 30, 2019 2:01 am
Subject: RE: iPhone SE battery

>
>
> And 81% is not actually so good. When I went to Apple last year with my 6S 
> Plus for their battery replacement offer my battery's capacity was at 84% and 
> they said I would definitely qualify for the $35 Canadian battery replacement 
> they offered until the end of last year.
> But even at the regular price your sister would probably get a lot more 
> enjoyment out of your old iPhone SE if you or she were to get the battery 
> replaced.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of lenron 
> brown
> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 10:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone SE battery
> 
> She would honestly be fine with the SE
> 
> On 9/30/19, Vicky Collins  wrote:
> > As you can tell, I do tend to switch iPhone's from time to time, but 
> > haven't yet ventured into trying the ones with face ID. But, my 
> > question here is, is it worth me giving my old iPhone SE to my sister, 
> > or am I doing her a disservice in the end because of the lower battery 
> > capacity?
> >
> > Anyway, since my sighted sister is using a four-year-old $19 pay as 
> > you go phone from AT, a 3G phone where she can no longer get a 
> > signal in her house in the rural area where we live, I purchased a 
> > used iPhone 7 from one of the blindness lists , thinking to give it to 
> > her. However, grin, I made the mistake of giving her the choice 
> > between my iPhone SE and the 7, and she preferred the smaller SE.
> >
> > I haven't yet given her the phone because she is on my brother's 
> > account, and he needs to go to the AT store here to get her the new 
> > SIM card for the phone, since the phone she has now takes a micro SIM. 
> > I did, though, confirm that the phone would indeed work at her house. 
> > And, just before I reset the phone to factory defaults, I checked its 
> > battery health, and the maximum capacity given for that phone was 81 
> > percent. It did say that the battery was supporting normal peak 
> > performance. As I've mentioned previously, my source of internet right 
> > now is via personal hotspot, my choice as I'm not yet ready to leave 
> > AT, and I guess it didn't do the battery on the SE any good. I 
> > purchased the phone new from Amazon a little over a year ago, so guess 
> > I'll have to watch my battery care a bit better with my future phones.
> >
> > As a side note for anyone still reading, I did go to AT store a 
> > while back and get a SIM card for a second line for myself. With my 
> > AT Unlimited and more Premium plan, we discussed both the second 
> > line or adding some sort of wireless hotspot device to my one-line 
> > plan. If memory serves, the rep told me that, if I were to choose the 
> > wireless device, I would get 50 GB of data, a home phone number but I 
> > wouldn't necessarily have to use it, and I could either pay the $200 
> > for the hotspot device, or I could pay it off in monthly payments. So, 
> > since I already had a second iPhone, I just opted for the second line 
> > with its additional 15 GB of mobile hotspot. And, of course, I can just 
> > cancel this second line at any time.
> >
> > Oh, one more side note, even though I can use the hotspot on my Nokia 
> > 6 to backup my iPhones to iCloud here at my apartment, I still can't 
> > use this same feature on one iPhone to backup the other, even though 
> > each iPhone has its own SIM card now, something about poor network 
> > conditions. Wonder if I should've gotten that wireless device instead, 
> > and why the Nokia will let me backup with the hotspot feature while the 
> > iPhone won't?
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tp-link deco app accessibility

[Brian Moore]

Hi all.  Was thinking of getting one of the tp-link mesh wifi systems as 
amazon has a good sale on it now and I have been impressed with their 
routers and other things I have owned. Anyone know how usable the app is 
with voice over.  since there is no web GUI I will have to use the app.



Anyone tried it?


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Re: Voiceover, all system sounds an d vibrations stop after making many phone calls

['wui chin Leong' via VIPhone]

It happens when you make a face time call

> On Sep 30, 2019, at 5:16 AM, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> 
> Well, on my iPhone X I could not reproduce this bug. Maybe I don't make 
> enough phone calls. Does this bug include FaceTime calls? Let's see if I can 
> reproduce this on my 11 Pro.
> 
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>> On Sep 30, 2019, at 3:24 AM, 'Angelina Stabile' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The same thing happened to me. I reported this bug to Apple. They are 
>> working on it.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2019, at 2:36 AM, Chantal Ferreira 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The same thing has happened to me. But the suggestions of phoning my
>>> phone or turning it off and on has not helped.
>>> 
>>> The strange thing is that I can bring up Siri and get the feedback and
>>> then when I'm on the Siri screen VoiceOver works. But the minute I go
>>> back to the home screen, nothing.
>>> 
>>> I have no idea what else to do.
>>> 
>>> Any other suggestions.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> 
>>> Chantal
>>> 
> On 9/30/19, karuna Chopra  wrote:
 Yes! You are absolutely right! I have had this happening to me at least
 three or four times a day! Not only is it very and Irving, but I also end 
 up
 wasting a lot of time. Often times I have to get cited help to get my phone
 back up and running! Very very frustrating!
 
 
>> On 30-Sep-2019, at 2:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
 
 
 All I can say is to bombard Apple Accessibility wit emails about ithis.
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
 ke...@kellford.com
 Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 2:11 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com; accessibil...@apple.com
 Subject: RE: Voiceover, all system sounds an d vibrations stop after making
 many phone calls
 
 I get this also with more than a few calls I’ve made with iOS 13 and 13.1.
 Just yesterday it happened on three successive calls for example.
 
 Kelly
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
 Sieghard Weitzel
 Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 3:24 PM
 To: 'accessibil...@apple.com' 
 Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Voiceover, all system sounds an d vibrations stop after making 
 many
 phone calls
 
 Hello,
 
 I have been an iOS/iDevice user since 2009 when the iPhone 3GS and the 
 third
 Gen iPod Touch were first released with Voiceover and I have also been beta
 testing new iOS releases for many years.
 
 I started Beta testing iOS 13 almost since the start of the public beta
 program and already experienced the issue I mentioned in the subject line
 throughout the beta cycle.
 I as well as other Voiceover beta testers I know have reported  this via 
 the
 Feedback app during the beta cycle. I am sure given how many other 
 Voiceover
 users experience this, it has also been reported to Apple Accessibility
 since the official release.
 I will also CC this to the Viphone list where visually impaired users
 discuss iOS and iOS devices so they can forward this back to Apple
 accessibility, I tried to outline the issue in as much detail as possible 
 so
 there is no point for others to have to re-write all this, but of course
 everybody can feel free to add any comments to what I wrote.
 
 The issue:
 you make a phone call and after you hang up all sounds go away as do
 vibrations.
 
 Different users seem to be effected differently, some experience this more
 than others, but it happens on phone calls, Facetime calls as well as calls
 with other apps such as Skype.
 It used to be that for me it mostly happened if I was using the wired Apple
 Earpods and then asked SIRI to call somebody and then used te in-line 
 remote
 button on the Earpods cable to hang up the call.
 Now in iOS 13.1.1 it seems worse for me, yesterday I made two calls 
 directly
 from the phone without any headset and hung up with a 2-finger double tap
 and both times my phone went silent and it is then extremely difficult for 
 a
 blind person to get Voiceover and other sounds back. Vibrations also go 
 away
 except for a very small amount of haptic feedback when I press the virtual
 home button (I have an iPhone 8), not sure if people who have an X/XR/XS or
 11/11 Pro get any haptic/vibration feedback at all.
 I often use the Mute switch to determine if the phone is still even on when
 I have an issue with Voiceover going silent. Wen the phone is unlocked or 
 on
 the lock screen and I flick the switch to Mute, there is a vibration and
 that is a good way to make sure the phone is on, but even that vibration is
 not present in this case.
 If I call my phone from another phone I also get no