...@yahoo.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com
Gesendet: 21:56 Sonntag, 22.Januar 2012
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Opponents should please go away and form your own group
You mean the Steorn that hand-picked a jury of scientists to test their
technology, which then unanimously determined that Steorn
In reply to David Roberson's message of Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:01:02 -0500 (EST):
Hi,
[snip]
I believe that the danger in operating the device in maximum feedback is that
the nickel will melt and that will end the power generation permanently. It
most likely will require an operation temperature
On Sun, 22 Jan 2012, Mary Yugo wrote:
It is absolutely inane to ask critics to read the literature. You think
we have nothing better to do than to spend time with unlimited quantities
of inadequate and difficult to understand papers?
Certainty that LENR critics should be ignorant of LENR
On Sun, 22 Jan 2012, Dusty Bradshaw wrote:
Some of us doubters would rather unsubscribe but since this is like
Hotel California, welp.. Also, didn't know this was a religion here,
worshipping at the altar of fringe science? Is this a cult or science,
and where can I get off this train?
How
restoring some rational
discussion and a strong signal to the Collective...
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: William Beaty [mailto:bi...@eskimo.com]
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 1:23 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Opponents should please go away and form your own group
I would like to quote the founding policies of this discussion group,
written by Bill Beaty:
http://www.amasci.com/weird/wvort.html
NO SNEERING. Ridicule, derision, scoffing, and ad-hominem is banned.
Pathological Skepticism is banned (see the link.) The tone here should be
one of legitimate
Axil Axil believes in Rossi. He just opened a thread about him, with ideas
on how the powder was chosen.Please, pay attention.
2012/1/22 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
I would like to quote the founding policies of this discussion group,
written by Bill Beaty:
I don't need to ridicule you Jed.
You are already ridiculous.
Having crazy ideas is fine, you are quite welcome to your crazy ideas.
It is aiding and abetting scamsters that I object to.
Have a wacky day
Keef
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
Of course we welcome your contributions to the technical discussion here.
Perhaps you could take a moment to explain how citing sources which can't
be named, which supposedly make claims in support of Rossi, and which
This is not the first time you complain to Bill Beaty and nothing happens.
Perhaps it is time for you(and me, btw) to move to another list or forum,
given that the original guidelines are not followed?
2012/1/22 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
I would like to quote the founding policies of
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Axil Axil believes in Rossi. He just opened a thread about him, with ideas
on how the powder was chosen.Please, pay attention.
I noticed some intemperate language from him. I ask him to stop it, that's
all.
NO SNEERING means NO SNEERING. Okay, we all
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
This is not the first time you complain to Bill Beaty and nothing happens.
He will probably act sooner or later. He is like me, a procrastinator.
He rules with a light hand.
Perhaps it is time for you(and me, btw) to move to another list or forum,
WTF?
You call ME a stalker because I am fulfilling my promise to follow Watson
everywhere on the net and expose his filthy scams.
You call ME a lunatic for doing the same thing with Rossi.
Well I don't give a rat's arse.
I'm proud to be a lunatic
Keef is a *ucking lunatic who has been stalking
A message from Mary Yugo caught my attention before falling into the trash.
She wrote:
Perhaps you could take a moment to explain how citing sources which can't
be named, which supposedly make claims in support of Rossi, and which you
claim told you they did independent tests but can't reveal
It is regrettable that so much in cold fusion has be kept secret, or in a low
profile. That is because of academic politics. It is entirely the fault of
powerful opponents who have been trying for 23 years to stamp out the research,
gut academic freedom, and destroy the lives of the researchers
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
There is plenty of blame to go around.
There certainly is. And most should go to investigators who don't provide
clear and unequivocal, independently replicated and properly controlled and
calibrated studies using the
Look at all the attention and acclaim given to Rossi and for what?
To keep the scam going and ripoff more victims.
Simple really.
Why would anyone choose to believe the word of Rossi the convicted fraudster?
Weird or what?
.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Jan 22, 2012 2:30 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Opponents should please go away and form your own group
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:55 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Mary, there are serious problems with Rossi's demonstrations that we are
all aware of. It is apparent to me that he has a very difficult problem
trying to maintain stability of the power output and I have been doing
All,
Making sense of Rossi nonsense will continue to frustrate all. Minus
independent test results from either Rossi or Defkalion, I found some real
evidence on the web of an experiment with energy gains greater than COP 6.
A laboratory rat Freddy was tied down in a reactor system similar to
Mary Yogo, quoted by David Roberson wrote:
You've been asked again and again to provide a SINGLE credible paper which
shows robust heat production for a long period without the introduction of
Joule heating or fresh fuel, thus proving without a doubt a nuclear
process. I have yet to see such
: [Vo]:Opponents should please go away and form your own group
From: cheme...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
All,
Making sense of Rossi nonsense will continue to frustrate all. Minus
independent test results from either Rossi or Defkalion, I found some real
evidence on the web of an experiment
: Sun, Jan 22, 2012 3:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Opponents should please go away and form your own group
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:55 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Mary, there are serious problems with Rossi's demonstrations that we are all
aware of. It is apparent to me that he has
Jed, what you have described here is EXACTLY what happened to the Steorn
Forum. MaryYugo and all the moletrap clowns took over the forum and it
became so abusive that the forum was closed. They are a cancer and a barrier
to progress because of their own egos.
These people include Mary Yugo,
...@overunity.co
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:49 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Opponents should please go away and form your own group
Jed, what you have described here is EXACTLY what happened to the Steorn Forum.
MaryYugo and all the moletrap clowns took over the forum
Right,
critical mode is not easy.
for fission reactors, the resonance bells allow to have some working point
where power/temperature curve create negative feedback (and also the
hopeful unexpected delayed neutron that save the first reactors from fast
divergence). Tchernobyl is the example of what
yes - the rules:
Pathological Skepticism is banned
if your mind is open and you wish to test crazy claims
rather than ridiculing them or explaining them away, hop on board!
For what my opinion is worth, it is quite clear from what I have been
reading here that those of you who are sincere
In reply to Alain Sepeda's message of Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:03:57 +0100:
Hi,
[snip]
for Ni+H LENR there does not seem to exist a reversible negative feedback,
so like any engineer will know you have to stabilize the system with an
outside control loop.
You can keep it starved of fuel and let it
:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Opponents should please go away and form your own group
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:55 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote:
Mary, there are serious problems with Rossi's demonstrations that we are
all aware of. It is apparent to me that he has a very difficult
On 12-01-22 02:18 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
A message from Mary Yugo caught my attention before falling into the
trash.
Howzat work? My filters dump the folks I'm filtering before I ever see
them.
The important point is, my messages do not violate any of the rules
set forth by Beaty:
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
A message from Mary Yugo caught my attention before falling into the
trash.
Howzat work? My filters dump the folks I'm filtering before I ever see
them.
I don't know. I was typing and it appeared, and then vanished. Probably
this is how Gmail
Some of us doubters would rather unsubscribe but since this is like Hotel
California, welp..
Also, didn't know this was a religion here, worshipping at the altar of fringe
science?
Is this a cult or science, and where can I get off this train?
Heavens Gate much??
Have a nice day.
or a probation period . I think they called
it at school the naughty corner worked wonders on me
Pete
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:15:08 +
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Opponents should please go away and form your own group
From: thjbarn...@googlemail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
yes
David Robertson wrote: It is apparent to me that he has a very difficult
problem trying to
maintain stability of the power output and I have been doing some
interesting simulation that tends to support this claim.
Would you share that simulation? I can't help feeling that stability is an
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
I see you are using several other time-tested techniques. You have
carefully described a test that would be difficult or impossible to meet.
Joule heating or electrolysis power is necessary for most experiments. In
Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote:
I am pretty sure Rossi's stability and control problem stems from relying
on heat transfer through a large temperature differential (low Watts per
degree) to cool a reaction that has a positive temperature coefficient (ie
gets more powerful
of the Wikipedia "editors".
Original Message
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Opponents should please go away and form your own
group
From: John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, January 23, 2012 6:56 am
To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" vortex-l@eskimo.com
You mean the Ste
-Original Message-
From: mixent mix...@bigpond.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Jan 22, 2012 4:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Opponents should please go away and form your own group
In reply to Alain Sepeda's message of Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:03:57 +0100:
i,
snip]
for Ni+H LENR
...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Jan 22, 2012 4:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Opponents should please go away and form your own group
I am pretty sure Rossi's stability and control problem stems from relying on
heat transfer through a large temperature differential (low Watts per
On 23/01/2012 4:46 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
These people include Mary Yugo, Axil Axil, John Milstone, Eff Wivakeef
and others. You know who you are. If you will not stop this childish
nonsense, I ask you to shut up and go away. I ask Bill Beaty to ban you.
I have been adding you to my personal
On 23/01/2012 6:31 AM, Mary Yugo wrote:
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:55 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
mailto:dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Mary, there are serious problems with Rossi's demonstrations that we
are all aware of. It is apparent to me that he has a very difficult
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Opponents should please go away and form your own
group
From: Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, January 23, 2012 9:31 am
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
On 23/01/2012 4:46 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
These people include Mary Yugo, Axil Axil, John Milstone, Eff Wivakeef
A lot more transparancy would negate the need for 'open' minds.
Sadly, Rossi = Fail.
Any University would be happy to test his device under an NDA and blackbox..
How you gonna change the world without coming out into the light? He could have
protected his IP and changed the world, but alas
transparency from Rossi while they languish in the safety of anonymity while firing accusations and character assasinations themselves is hypocritical and makes a mockery. It's double standards - pure and simple.
Original Message
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Opponents should please go away
On 23/01/2012 10:46 AM, Craig Brown wrote:
I think you are misreading the situation. The problem here is the
accusatory and pathalogical scepticism displayed by posters such as
yourself which is based on attacking the character of anyone and
everyone who is keeping an open mind regarding Rossi's
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Craig Brown cr...@overunity.co wrote:
This is not what we are discussing. We are talking about the forum and how
it was overtaken by abusive posters. Steorn's claim is not relevant to this
discussion. Quoting Wikipedia is of no value when it comes to exotic
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Craig Brown cr...@overunity.co wrote:
I think you are misreading the situation. The problem here is the
accusatory and pathalogical scepticism displayed by posters such as
yourself which is based on attacking the character of anyone and everyone
who is
At 02:46 PM 1/22/2012, Eff Wivakeef wrote:
Look at all the attention and acclaim given to Rossi and for what?
To keep the scam going and ripoff more victims.
Simple really.
Why would anyone choose to believe the word of Rossi the convicted fraudster?
Weird or what?
I don't believe Rossi, but
Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com wrote:
Of course we welcome your
contributions to the technical discussion here.
- Jed
Oh so now Vortex is only a PRO Rossi discussion group?
No, it is pro-science.
Please re-read what I said: we welcome your contributions to the technical
discussion
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
I don't believe Rossi, but I do believe that Eff Vivakeef is acting beyond
the pale for Vortex. Convicted fraudster is libel.
I don't think that's libel. It may not be the whole story but you can find
in
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com wrote:
Of course we welcome your
contributions to the technical discussion here.
- Jed
Oh so now Vortex is only a PRO Rossi discussion group?
No, it is pro-science.
Your
On 23/01/2012 12:47 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com
mailto:shauntaylor...@gmail.com wrote:
Of course we welcome your
contributions to the technical discussion here.
- Jed
Oh so now Vortex is only a PRO Rossi discussion group?
No, it
Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com wrote:
No, it is pro-science.
Ok Jed but play by your own rules. Stop making statement about secret
testing that you can't reveal.
That is not against the rules here, or at a scientific conference for that
matter.
Either reveal the data or stop with
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com wrote:
No, it is pro-science.
Ok Jed but play by your own rules. Stop making statement about secret
testing that you can't reveal.
That is not against the rules here, or at
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
It is absolutely inane to ask critics to read the literature. You think
we have nothing better to do than to spend time with unlimited quantities
of inadequate and difficult to understand papers? It's your job as
investor in Rossi or Steorn who agrees with what you say.The reality is that many companies take investment money that doesn't yield a return. This is not confined simply to the world of new energy technologies.
Original Message
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Opponents should please go away
On 23/01/2012 2:16 PM, Craig Brown wrote:
In 5 years of listening to you ENDLESSLY complain about investors being
ripped off and people being scammed you have been unable to point to
even ONE single instance of someone who has made a complaint. You talk
of victims like they are everywhere when
On 1/22/12, Craig Brown cr...@overunity.co wrote:
In 5 years of listening to you ENDLESSLY complain about investors being
ripped off and people being scammed you have been unable to point to even
ONE single instance of someone who has made a complaint. You talk of
victims like they are
So basically you STILL can't point to a single complaint from a Steorn or Rossi investor. I rest my case.
Original Message
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Opponents should please go away and form your own
group
From: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, January 23, 2012 2:56 pm
On 1/22/12, Craig Brown cr...@overunity.co wrote:
So basically you STILL can't point to a single complaint from a Steorn or
Rossi investor. I rest my case.
I don't claim to be able to point to complaints about Steorn or Rossi.
Steorn's investors long ago wrote off the losses and their contract
on the circumstances in the
complaint.
-m
From: Craig Brown [mailto:cr...@overunity.co]
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:00 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Opponents should please go away and form your own group
So basically you STILL can't point to a single complaint from a Steorn or Rossi
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