Re: [Vo]:[Vo] : ECAT 1 MW System-Dazzle or Fizzle

Am 18.11.2011 17:41, schrieb David Roberson: I guess that I am easy to dazzle. Rossi explained the reason for the secrecy, and I believe him. And finally, I did see proof that the small units work as advertised. My domestic 10kW gasboiler is in any case better proven than the e-cat. It works

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists run the site Ecat.com

Am 18.11.2011 18:11, schrieb Mary Yugo: On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Peter Heckert <mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de>> wrote: At the same time Rossi says on his forum he has sold 13 1MW plants to an secret military organisation in a secret country. If he continues t

Re: [Vo]:[Vo] : ECAT 1 MW System-Dazzle or Fizzle

Am 18.11.2011 18:58, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Mary Yugo wrote: Rossi has reported several times and it's in his patent application that he had a 35 kW E-cat Ni-H *fusion* heater heating his factory in N. Italy for more than a year. Unfortunately, nobody but Rossi has ever reported seeing it . .

Re: [Vo]:[Vo] : ECAT 1 MW System-Dazzle or Fizzle

Am 18.11.2011 19:23, schrieb Mary Yugo: On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Jed Rothwell > wrote: Mary Yugo wrote: That is incorrect. Focardi and many other people reported seeing it, including several people I know. Anyone independent

Re: [Vo]:[Vo] : ECAT 1 MW System-Dazzle or Fizzle

Am 19.11.2011 07:48, schrieb David Roberson: On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 12:25 AM, David Roberson > wrote: On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Jed Rothwell mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com>> wrote: Rossi has given out _far_ more proof than any previous cold

Re: [Vo]:Steam Quality Revisted -- Kettle Boiler

I dont think this is relevant. Rossi himself has said somewhere in a video or interview, there might be an error of 5% in the steam calculation. If we assume steam was 50% wet, which is physically impossible, then we still get a COP of about 3. 50% wet is rain and not fog or steam. So the only

Re: [Vo]:Steam Quality Revisted -- Kettle Boiler

Am 19.11.2011 22:56, schrieb Harry Veeder: If the same water is _theoretically_ supposed to boil at the same precise temperature at a given pressure, I just don't understand how water can _theoreticallly_ survive as a liquid drop while surrounded by steam which is above the boiling point. In othe

Re: [Vo]:Steam Quality Revisted -- Kettle Boiler

Am 19.11.2011 23:19, schrieb Joshua Cude: On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Peter Heckert <mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de>> wrote: If we assume steam was 50% wet, which is physically impossible, then we still get a COP of about 3. 50% wet is rain and not fog or steam. I

Re: [Vo]:Steam Quality Revisted -- Kettle Boiler

Am 19.11.2011 23:29, schrieb Harry Veeder: Prof Chang has observed it and he says it is routinely observed but it is just ignored because it doesn't fit theory. Harry I have repeatedly tested Thermoelements over boiling water and have never observed it. When he doesnt accept steam theory why do

Re: [Vo]:Steam Quality Revisted -- Kettle Boiler

Am 19.11.2011 23:58, schrieb Alan Fletcher: In small bubbles or small drops, surface tension is dominant. This is true. There is an interesting early scientific work about water electricity from the physicist Lenard who later got the nobel price. He points out that evaporating water is electric

Re: [Vo]:Steam Quality Revisted -- Kettle Boiler

Am 20.11.2011 00:37, schrieb Jouni Valkonen: Peter wrote: » Thank you for pointing this out, it is probably correct and I was in error.» No, what Joshua said does not even resemble physics. If his explanation would be even remotely truthful, kettle boilers would be impossible, because all w

Re: [Vo]:Steam Quality Revisted -- Kettle Boiler

Am 20.11.2011 01:01, schrieb Jouni Valkonen: Peter, I do not see how it would be possible, because if water is atomized (it would cause also loud sound instead of observed gentle boiling sound), it cannot climb the chimney, because atomized water quickly returns into liquid in the closed cont

Re: [Vo]:Steam Quality Revisted -- Kettle Boiler

Am 20.11.2011 01:38, schrieb Daniel Rocha: Not if the output is actually much higher than the input! He doesnt measure the output mass flow. He always assumes this equals the input mass flow and it is all vaporized. From this assumption he calculates the output energy. If this assumption is wron

[Vo]:Why is it so cold in Rossis facility? ;-)

They all wear pullovers and jackets. Even Kullander and Essen weared them an look at Rossi what he wears. Cant he pay the heating? Why doesnt he simply heat it with ecats? ;-) SCNR, Peter

Re: [Vo]:How should I demonstrate LENR, if I can reproduce it?

Am 20.11.2011 02:28, schrieb Daniel Rocha: Suppose I can do it, just like Rossi claims. I dont want to have to leave home nor have to heat tons of water. What should I do? The problem is to make the energy visible. Heat a known amount of water in an open vaporizer. Let the steam go out of the

[Vo]:Rossi meeted Piantelli, seeking his cooperation?

http://www.tovima.gr/science/article/?aid=430840 Its in greek language and letters, I used Google translate. They write: *2007:* Rossi meets Piantelli and seek its cooperation. He *refuses,* but Rossi associate itself with the Focardi. This could explain their hostility and competition. Peter

Re: [Vo]:Help in testing a E-Cat

Am 20.11.2011 09:47, schrieb Aussie Guy E-Cat: Amazing statements. Again with no basis in fact. Just more straw man totally negative spin stuff. I've been a power system engineer for probably longer than you have been alive. I do know how to construct a test of the E-Cat. I have also been used

[Vo]:Focardi talking about Gamma radiation.

In this TEDx event: Focardi says, that no neutrons where observed. Gamma radiation /not much above ambient level/ was observed. So it seems they added the lead shield only for security, but not for protection and therm

Re: [Vo]:Focardi talking about Gamma radiation.

if any CF researcher could present results as the hot fusionists already have, the reality of CF where already proven and accepted by mainstream. Peter On 11/20/2011 10:48 PM, Peter Heckert wrote: In this TEDx event: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=e

Re: [Vo]:Focardi talking about Gamma radiation.

viously". Right! All you have to do is run the electrolysis from a separate power source. You cut the power off there, and once the hydrogen is used up, the device stops by itself. Now why didnt he himself have the idea to switch the apparatus off? This is the most obvious idea to try!

Re: [Vo]:Focardi talking about Gamma radiation.

Am 20.11.2011 16:43, schrieb Aussie Guy E-Cat: You did read Focardi's comments on the radiation and the transmutations: We went to Padova, where they have the appropriate instrument: we found copper. Copper has two isotopes, the ratio between the two is not in the concentration found in Nature

Re: [Vo]:Focardi talking about Gamma radiation.

Am 20.11.2011 16:56, schrieb Aussie Guy E-Cat: As for the hydrogen issue, I expect selling a home / commercial space heater than contains a bottle of pressurized Hydrogen might be a hard sell. Insurance companies would have to reassess their risk. I do agree with the Hydrogen association. May

Re: [Vo]:To me, this is scary

Am 20.11.2011 17:24, schrieb Aussie Guy E-Cat: To me this statement made by Professor Levi about the 18 hour test he and Rossi did is scary: http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3108242.ece “/*Minimum power was 15 kilowatts, and that’s a conservative value. I calculated it

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

Am 20.11.2011 22:35, schrieb Charles Hope: On Nov 20, 2011, at 13:05, Mary Yugo wrote: And why in the world would you trust people who install large industrial devices? In my experience they have a lot of practical knowledge on how to do their jobs according to instructions and protocols

Re: [Vo]:The Myth of the Boiling Point

This is interesting but also partially he describes known stuff, such as degassing and boiling delay. Of course engineers and chemists know about boiling anomalies, an technical devices are built in such a way that anomalies are avoided or prevented. Also the water is treated to prevent these eff

Re: [Vo]:Modern theories of boiling

- Original Nachricht Von: Harry Veeder An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 21.11.2011 05:49 Betreff: [Vo]:Modern theories of boiling more... > > http://www.hps.cam.ac.uk/people/chang/boiling/discussion3.htm > > Interesting is the discussion that in history they made thermom

[Vo]:Defkalion did not deny to use Piantelli technology!

Ok, its time to spread some new rumours, to avoid boredness: http://www.tovima.gr/files/1/2011/11/18/Piantelli-engine%5B1%5D.jpg http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=508 ;-) Peter

Aw: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion did not deny to use Piantelli technology!

It is impossible to ignore, that their latest devices look like Piantelli devices and not like Rossi devices: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/DGT_PRESS%20RELEASE_2011-11-14.pdf ;-) - Original Nachricht Von: Akira Shirakawa An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 21.11.2011 12:5

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion did not deny to use Piantelli technology!

Its interesting to watch how this rumour, that is based on pure speculation, grows. The more messages appear online with the words Defkalion, Rossi, Piantelli the higher the weight is that Google gives to this associations. This increases the number of postings exponentially and grows the expans

[Vo]:Rossi & Defkalion & 4 possibilities

I used all my abilities of clairvoyance to look into the future: There are 4 possibilities. 1) Rossi=false, Defkalion=false 2) Rossi=false, Defkalion=true 3) Rossi=true, Defkalion=false 4) Rossi=true, Defkalion=true 1) Rossi cannot know if Defkalions claims are true, but he has nothing to off

Re: [Vo]:Rossi & Defkalion & 4 possibilities

Am 22.11.2011 08:43, schrieb Peter Gluck: The Energy market being insatiable, the lack of a patent can be compensted in part and temporary by speed, a commercial Blitzkrieg can help - for a while. 2 million dollars per plant. 20 millions for a license, if this works for a while, I would be happ

Re: [Vo]:Rossi & Defkalion & 4 possibilities

Am 22.11.2011 12:42, schrieb Jouni Valkonen: Peter Heckert wrote: »There are 4 possibilities. 1) Rossi=false, Defkalion=false 2) Rossi=false, Defkalion=true 3) Rossi=true, Defkalion=false 4) Rossi=true, Defkalion=true» My vote goes for 3). But even if Defkalion would make better ecats, there

Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi replies to Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson (Focus.it)

Am 23.11.2011 20:41, schrieb Akira Shirakawa: On 2011-11-23 19:51, Mary Yugo wrote: Does anyone still believe that after all the equivocations Rossi is going to produce an E-cat for independent testing anywhere? If so, when? To whom? Anyone think he's going to produce a credible customer with

Re: [Vo]:These cynical comments are unwelcome

Am 23.11.2011 21:19, schrieb Robert Leguillon: So, is the weight unreliable, and Rossi was just really really, really lucky that all past demos dropped weight, and always a gram or two? I dont know, if they remove the hoses from the hydrogen bottle. The hoses will pull and some 100 grams of va

Re: [Vo]:Kullander Nov. 23 lecture slides (mostly in Swedish)

Am 24.11.2011 19:22, schrieb Mary Yugo: I tried translating from the Swedish PDF to English with Google. It's not entirely satisfactory but it does suggest that Kullander did consider Grabowski's paper or the same concerns from theory. If I understood him, Kullander concluded that Rossi exp

Re: [Vo]:Kullander Nov. 23 lecture slides (mostly in Swedish)

Am 24.11.2011 19:48, schrieb Mary Yugo: On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Peter Heckert mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de>> wrote: Am 24.11.2011 19:22, schrieb Mary Yugo: Did he not discuss the fact, that the electrical energy was not enough for boiling? It was barely

Re: [Vo]:Kullander Nov. 23 lecture slides (mostly in Swedish)

Am 24.11.2011 20:10, schrieb Peter Heckert: Btw, it is interesting to see in figure 6 that the differential steepness at 10:36 abruptly and exactly doubles. It looks as if a second 300W heater was activated. This is enough for some boiling. If there was water overflow this would be

Re: [Vo]:Kullander Nov. 23 lecture slides (mostly in Swedish)

Am 24.11.2011 20:36, schrieb Peter Heckert: Am 24.11.2011 20:10, schrieb Peter Heckert: Btw, it is interesting to see in figure 6 that the differential steepness at 10:36 abruptly and exactly doubles. It looks as if a second 300W heater was activated. This is enough for some boiling. If

Re: [Vo]:Rossi denies Defkalion has any technology-- again

Am 24.11.2011 21:20, schrieb Peter Gluck: Thanks, I am very ignorant in matter of tequila, but will ask the help of the Web. BTW one of the most idiotic laws of the EU says no alcoholic beverage with more than 40% alcohol. False. There is so-called "Stroh RUM" (straw rum) with 50% and with 80%

Re: [Vo]:Kullander Nov. 23 lecture slides (mostly in Swedish)

Am 24.11.2011 21:30, schrieb Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint: Peter wrote: "Scientific experiments must be documented for eternity, not for a single day. This is something that Rossi seemingly not understands." I can't believe these kinds of statements are still made! What Peter doesn't understand,

Re: [Vo]:Kullander Nov. 23 lecture slides (mostly in Swedish)

Am 24.11.2011 21:34, schrieb Mary Yugo: Another possible problem with the paper at http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/EssenHexperiment.pdf is that they don't say where and how they measured input power with their ammeter. Maybe they say it [snip] My suspicion is that K&E did it correctly with the l

Re: [Vo]:Kullander Nov. 23 lecture slides (mostly in Swedish)

Am 24.11.2011 22:08, schrieb Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint: No one is suggesting we ignore it! And who's to say that one of those magnet motors or water cars doesn't do what is claimed? I must admit, I have never seen a magnet motor or water car. Because I dont see these devices that where announc

[Vo]:Metallic Hydrogen

Hi, two researchers from the Max Planck institute say, they have made metallic hydrogen at a pressure of 220GPa. http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-11-pair-hydrogen-metal.html This was tried before, but never had success. Metallic hydrogen is believed to be superconducting at room temperature. T

Re: [Vo]:Short report on Kullander's cold fusion lecture

- Original Nachricht Von: Charles Hope An: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" Datum: 25.11.2011 05:29 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Short report on Kullander's cold fusion lecture > On Nov 23, 2011, at 23:08, Aussie Guy E-Cat > wrote: > > > Sign a contract for delivery, put your money into Escr

Aw: Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion

- Original Nachricht Von: Peter Gluck An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 25.11.2011 09:07 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion > Rossi tries to convince the world that his system is quite different > from Piantelli's but Piantelli was the first to discover the > nanotechnologi

Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion

- Original Nachricht Von: Peter Gluck An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 25.11.2011 10:22 Betreff: Re: Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion [snip] > I will try to get information re the work with metalhydrides at the > Plank Institute I liked very much the idea from the Chan's Formula

Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion

- Original Nachricht Von: Peter Gluck An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 25.11.2011 10:22 Betreff: Re: Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion [snip] > I will try to get information re the work with metalhydrides at the > Plank Institute I liked very much the idea from the Chan's Formula

[Vo]:Re:external: Metallic Hydrogen

Hi, got this per mail. I forward this to the list on request by the author. Hope I did the subject line correctly. - Original Nachricht Von: Pekka Janhunen An: peter.heck...@arcor.de Datum: 25.11.2011 09:50 Betreff: Re: Metallic Hydrogen > Hi, > > > two researchers from

Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi Working with Domenico Fioravanti on Electrical Power from E-Cat

- Original Nachricht Von: vorl bek An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 25.11.2011 14:50 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi Working with Domenico Fioravanti on Electrical Power from E-Cat > Aussie Guy quotes Rossi: > > > > > ?Actually, we have found a breakthrough with a pri

Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion

Am 25.11.2011 13:54, schrieb Marcello Vitale: Very interesting, indeed. Thank you, Peter. Four observations a) MgH2 is more stable than NiHn: Mg might simply suck up the hydrogen b) nonetheless, it is on the surface of Ni powder particles that H2 breaks up more easily, hence the rationale to us

Re: [Vo]:"New state of matter discovered"

Am 25.11.2011 16:27, schrieb David ledin: This sounds like cold fusion "New state of matter discovered" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15876145 Why do they use phosphoric acid? I think, when it is liquid (above 42,35 °C) it should be conductive like water. Does this possibly

Re: [Vo]:To Patent or Not Patent Natural law. That is the question.

Am 25.11.2011 18:57, schrieb Harry Veeder: On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 3:50 AM, wrote: Natural laws cannot been patented. I think "natural laws" should be patentable. They result from human effort and they are useful whether are not deemed to be objectively true. A patented "natural law" would

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat / philosophical remarks

Am 25.11.2011 20:20, schrieb Peter Gluck: Lack of a patent is one side of the vulnerability. The other, even more important the stealability, guessability of his solution (catalyst). I think they intentionally made their scientific publication and their patent in such a way that it will be reje

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat / philosophical remarks

Am 25.11.2011 21:01, schrieb Peter Gluck: The degree of correlation of Rossi's problems with the law and the efficiency of the E-cats is an open question. The definition from this writing can be applied here:http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/01/first-seed.html However this idea of intellig

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat / philosophical remarks

Am 25.11.2011 21:37, schrieb Peter Gluck: I have the certainty because I and some other friends have seen the cells working and giving excess heat. I have certainty because what Piantelli says and does has a logical consistency and I have followed the development for long years and it was develop

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat / philosophical remarks

Am 25.11.2011 22:28, schrieb Peter Gluck: Have you read Piantelli's publications see my Taxonomy on the blog Ego Out and on lenr-canr, there are many.papers. What do you think about the Pontignano Poster I have sent today? I have not seen it, sorry and dont know where to look. My doubt abo

[Vo]:How to make a clean blackboxtest for thermal overunity.

Its so simple. A Black Box Test must be made like this: Energy in --> [Blackbox] --> Energy out. The content of the blackbox may been kept secret. Even more, the content of the blackbox /must/ been kept secret. This means no assumptions about the contents of the blackbox are allowed. Anything i

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Rossi, owner of the company through the EFA Ltd. has signed the €500,000 w/ Department of Physics Univ Bologna

Am 26.11.2011 01:46, schrieb Ahsoka Tano: According to this Italian article, the deed is done. Isn't this proof that there was a buyer of the mega-eCat and that Rossi has the money to sign the contract with UniBol? The entrepreneur Andrea Rossi, owner of the company through the EFA Ltd., Depar

Re: [Vo]:How to make a clean blackboxtest for thermal overunity.

Am 26.11.2011 01:38, schrieb Mary Yugo: On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Peter Heckert <mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de>> wrote: Its so simple. A Black Box Test must be made like this: Energy in --> [Blackbox] --> Energy out. Exactly as you say in your details and

Re: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

Am 26.11.2011 12:57, schrieb Berke Durak: So they had to add the initial mass and the difference, and that's where they fucked up, adding -1.7 g instead of -1.7 kg. Happens all the time. They even wrote down kg instead of g. Obviously, they didn't have a 13 ton hydrogen bottle, right? Doesnt

Re: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

Am 26.11.2011 13:04, schrieb Peter Heckert: Am 26.11.2011 12:57, schrieb Berke Durak: So they had to add the initial mass and the difference, and that's where they fucked up, adding -1.7 g instead of -1.7 kg. Happens all the time. They even wrote down kg instead of g. Obviously, they d

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

The question is, how did they measure the energy input? This is not documented. This colonel engineer confuses kg and g. He measures a hydrogen consumtion of 1.7000 kg and dont write down all significant digits. Then he subtracts this from a value that means gramm. but is mistakenly labeled as

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

Am 26.11.2011 19:49, schrieb Jed Rothwell: I have heard they wrote the document in Italian and then translated it. People often make mistakes like this. In the document by Brattain you can see he made a correction on the second page and then crossed it out, where it says "5.4 x 10^-7 Watts":

Re: [Vo]:Large Temperature Increase of Core Not Required for 6 to 1 Output Delta

Am 26.11.2011 21:15, schrieb Mary Yugo: On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Terry Blanton > wrote: > On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:11 AM, David Roberson > wrote: > > Horace hibernates this time of year. Speaking about hibernation, there could be

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

I think it is wrong to ask Rossi for a test. If the test is successful he is the only one who wins and if it is not successful, he is the only one who loses. Because he will not reveal the catalyst, science has no advantage from it. Others do credible say they have good results without catalyst

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

Am 27.11.2011 00:35, schrieb Jed Rothwell: If he succeeds he will give humanity a greater gift than any inventor in history, so we will have nothing to complain about. He will give to humanity a large fangroup and legends that will grow over time If he fails, he will hurt himself more than any

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

Am 27.11.2011 01:39, schrieb Giovanni Santostasi: I didn't say he necessarily is a good scam artist... ; ) he has tried and failed before... G On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Terry Blanton > wrote: On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Giovanni Santostasi mailto:

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

Am 27.11.2011 02:15, schrieb Terry Blanton: On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Peter Heckert wrote: He sells. Mike Brady did never make a documented successful demonstration. So, Peter, my dear yo-yo friend, can you document how many Perendev motors that Brady actually sold? I am not

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

Am 27.11.2011 02:28, schrieb Giovanni Santostasi: Terry, If being killed at a cost of 500 dollars would enough to stop a scam artist or a criminal of any type we would not have many around... Those people who buy, are not those who kill. There are easier ways for such criminals to get money th

Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and Rossi's rejection of it

Am 27.11.2011 02:38, schrieb Terry Blanton: On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Peter Heckert <mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de>> wrote: Am 27.11.2011 02:28, schrieb Giovanni Santostasi: Terry, If being killed at a cost of 500 dollars would enough to stop a sc

Re: [Vo]:Re: Rossi refuse to answer about the publication of calorimetry test that will be done in Universities

Am 27.11.2011 12:05, schrieb Marcello Vitale: Useless. If negative, the Rossi camp could safely claim that the Bologna guys still did not know how to get the process started correctly - that does seem to be something touchy even for Rossi. And if positive, the anti-Rossi camp could safely claim

Re: [Vo]:Rossi - Limiting temperature

Am 27.11.2011 17:24, schrieb Jeff Sutton: A friend of mine who was working on LENR in the past noted that Stainless Steel containers become quite porous to Hydrogen at around 800 C. This being the case, would this not limit Rossi's temperature gradient from reactor, through its container, lead,

Re: [Vo]:Elevated-temperature excess heat production in a Pd & D system in 1991

- Original Nachricht Von: Peter Gluck An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 28.11.2011 06:19 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Elevated-temperature excess heat production in a Pd & D system in 1991 > I spoke with Liaw at ICCF-2 Como 1991. The system had very great problems > of corrosion. > >

Re: [Vo]:Elevated-temperature excess heat production in a Pd & D system in 1991

- Original Nachricht Von: Peter Gluck An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 28.11.2011 09:15 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Elevated-temperature excess heat production in a Pd & D system in 1991 > PeterH, > > as far I remember the Liaw et al paper is published in the Proceedings of > ICCF-2

Re: [Vo]:Elevated-temperature excess heat production in a Pd & D system in 1991

I think, this says all. This guy is a professional electrochemist and without doubt he has 1000fold more possibilities than I. If he gave up, he has doubts himself. If there is a serious chance for success others should try it, who have a laboratory. Patents dont hinder scientific research and ex

Aw: [Vo]:Larsen, LENR in Lithium batteries and burn out IPhone

But nobody was hurt by radiation. So no nuclear reactions. Lets assume, the battery was charged and contained an energy of 7 Wh. Lets assume, this is released in 2 minutes. This means 210 Watt, and the peak power is probably higher. As soon as the batteri is no longer air tight, the lithium ignite

Re: [Vo]:Larsen, LENR in Lithium batteries and burn out IPhone

- Original Nachricht Von: peter.heck...@arcor.de An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 28.11.2011 11:46 Betreff: Aw: [Vo]:Larsen, LENR in Lithium batteries and burn out IPhone > But nobody was hurt by radiation. So no nuclear reactions. > > Lets assume, the battery was charged an

Re: [Vo]:Larsen, LENR in Lithium batteries and burn out IPhone

- Original Nachricht Von: Aussie Guy E-Cat An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 28.11.2011 12:08 Betreff: Re: Aw: [Vo]:Larsen, LENR in Lithium batteries and burn out IPhone > Try this: > http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/cfakepathlattice-energy-llc-len-rs-in > -liion-batte

Re: [Vo]:Larsen, LENR in Lithium batteries and burn out IPhone

- Original Nachricht Von: Aussie Guy E-Cat An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 28.11.2011 12:52 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Larsen, LENR in Lithium batteries and burn out IPhone > That output was seen by everybody in the room when the reactor fired up. > Rossi tried to damp it by increa

Re: [Vo]:Rossi blog -- Hank Mills proposes a side-by-side blank test

Am 28.11.2011 22:01, schrieb Mary Yugo: On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 12:54 PM, David Roberson > wrote: I agree Horace. This is pathetic. Dave Deasy, IIRC, has a PhD in a physical science or engineering and is a flight dynamics specialist by profession. He s

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion: ?We have Rossi?s formula?

If this is true they are gangsters and Rossi has my full support. And also at University of Siena they have gangsters, if this is true. This doesnt shed a good light on their previous work for Piantelli. Possibly they are all gangsters, and this all is a horrible soap opera. Could be, nothing is tr

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion: ?We have Rossi?s formula?

If it is true, then it is a case of scientific fraud and industrial spionage. If its untrue and they all collaborate behind the scenes, then ist is a gigantic staged investment fraud. In both cases it is a case for Interpol. For now I think they are all gangsters working together behind the scen

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion: ?We have Rossi?s formula?

I have no problems with that was done. I have problems with additional tests that where not done. Kullander & Essen's trip was payed by Rossi and they where friendly treated by the italian scientists. So they dont believe or say there was fraud and this is understandable. But they do admit, they d

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion: ?We have Rossi?s formula?

- Original Nachricht Von: Daniel Rocha An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 29.11.2011 14:11 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion: ?We have Rossi?s formula? > We don't know how much of Piantelli's patents Rossi used anyway. Send both > to jail? :) > As long as he doesnt sell unlicensed

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion: ?We have Rossi?s formula?

I am rather sure there is no radiation to measure and so there is no spectrum to measure and there is nothing to steal. They play a collaborative soap opera behind the scenes, where they all win investors. Everybody who has money invested in Piantelli, Defkalion or Rossi's business should go t

Re: [Vo]:A bit of humor at Rossi's expense

Am 29.11.2011 18:15, schrieb Mary Yugo: If you're easily offended, just skip it. http://www.moletrap.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Rossicaptions Here's another one to load up: <>

Re: [Vo]:Piantelli's amazing claims

Am 29.11.2011 20:38, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Piantelli has loads of academic credibility. He is been supported for many years by an Italian automobile manufacturer. I wish I could recall which one. So far I have read this was Fiat Avio SpA, which was Fiat's aviation business. They sold it some

Re: [Vo]:Toyota announces plug-in hybrid sales

Am 29.11.2011 21:05, schrieb mix...@bigpond.com: In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:50:06 -0500: Hi, [snip] See (in Japanese): http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/atmoney/news/2029-OYT1T00943.htm Summary: Sales will begin January 30, 2012. Minimum sales price will be ¥3,200,0

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Prepares

minimum COP is 25 so far I remember. Details are here: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/HyperionSpecsSheetNovember2011.pdf This is now on their website under "products". Peter - Original Nachricht Von: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 30.1

Re: [Vo]:Hyperion Hyperlink

Am 30.11.2011 16:52, schrieb Mary Yugo: I knew they were coming out with something sexy. It has a pleasure sensor! I kid you not: http://i.imgur.com/X8AZQ.jpg Remembers me of good old Amiga which had a BEER line connected to the processor.

Re: [Vo]:A bit of humor at Rossi's expense

Am 29.11.2011 18:15, schrieb Mary Yugo: If you're easily offended, just skip it. http://www.moletrap.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Rossicaptions Wanted to upload this but cannot find a way to register... <>

Re: [Vo]:A bit of humor at Rossi's expense

Am 30.11.2011 22:51, schrieb Mary Yugo: On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Peter Heckert mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de>> wrote: http://www.moletrap.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Rossicaptions Wanted to upload this but cannot find a way to register... Hi Peter, If you want to jo

Re: [Vo]:Padua University not Siena made the analysis

Am 01.12.2011 19:19, schrieb Joshua Cude: On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Mary Yugo > wrote: It's easy to "dope" a device with a gamma emitter to fake a result but the test should involve the gamma source turning on and off with the E-cat power. T

[Vo]:Lenard tube or X-Ray tube in Rossi/Defkalion device?

Hi, lets assume this works and it emits gamma radiation. Gamma thermalization is improbable. There could be a helper device inside, that produces gamma radiation as a main product or as a by-product. This could be 1) A x-ray tube, and the hydrogen is atomized by x-rays. 2) It could be a Lena

Re: [Vo]:Lenard tube or X-Ray tube in Rossi/Defkalion device?

Am 01.12.2011 20:51, schrieb Mary Yugo: On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Peter Heckert wrote: Hi, This could be 1) A x-ray tube, and the hydrogen is atomized by x-rays. I don't know how small X-ray tubes go but that's hard to imagine for the small E-cats. If you allow for

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion's changing stance on whether this is cold fusion

Am 01.12.2011 20:53, schrieb Terry Blanton: On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: The data was obtained from conventional, non-specifically designed for LENR instrumentation, such as mass-spectrometer, gas-chromatographer, Wilson camera, SEM spectra and others." I'm not familiar

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion's changing stance on whether this is cold fusion

Am 01.12.2011 21:44, schrieb Terry Blanton: On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Peter Heckert wrote: I think, they mean the "Wilson chamber" (aka nebula chamber). Obviously their translator has no clue about technics and physics. Ah! aka "cloud chamber"! Yes, we made

Re: [Vo]:Lenard tube or X-Ray tube in Rossi/Defkalion device?

Am 02.12.2011 07:40, schrieb Andrea Selva: Are you folks talking about a device like THIS fitted in the Jan 14th demo e-cat ? Thanks for posting. Here is the data sheet: http://gar.carestreamdental.com/~/media/Files/GAR/Tech%2

Re: [Vo]:Rossi clarification on Bianchini

Am 02.12.2011 21:21, schrieb Jed Rothwell: I believe that when you bring 5 gallons of water to boil, insulate the pot and leave it for 4 hours it must cool down to room temperature. This defys rules of physics. And it defys rules of experience: Berlin Blockade: To Save Energy, Meals were Cook

Re: [Vo]:Rossi clarification on Bianchini

Am 02.12.2011 22:31, schrieb Jed Rothwell: 1. There is no such thing as perfect insulation. Yes. Especially not, when the surface is 60-80° hot. This is so poor, that I dont understand why did they isolate it at all. This reduces the thermal losses by less than 50%. 2. The insulation around

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