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2014-01-26 Thread mixent
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:06:03 -0800: Hi, This is one area where my version differs from Mills. In his model radiation is possible in this case. In mine, it would only be possible through the intervention of a second atom, with which angular momentum could be

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-25 Thread mixent
Sent: Thu, Jan 23, 2014 8:09 pm Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement In reply to David Roberson's message of Thu, 23 Jan 2014 17:41:12 -0500 (EST): Hi, [snip] Robin, there is only one lower frequency where radiation is not possible and that is zero radians per second. If you believe

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-25 Thread Axil Axil
distributed nature similar to Mills' theory in order for the atom to exhibit a magnetic moment while not radiating. Dave -Original Message- From: mixent mix...@bigpond.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Jan 23, 2014 8:09 pm Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-24 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 8:54 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Are you sure that you accurately understand the source of that radiation? It would seem more reasonable for the energy to be transferred as a well defined chunk that is accepted by the catalyst. The activity of the

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-24 Thread Nigel Dyer
The way that it was explained to me (by my son who understands these things much more than I do) was that in a nuclear reaction that nucleus suddenly has lots of excess energy to get rid of, and normally the only option that its available that allows energy and momentum to be balanced is to

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-24 Thread Axil Axil
As Jones Beene often reminds us, Mills theory is not a nuclear theory, it is chemical only, Therefore, no involvement of the nucleus. That means no transmutation an no gamma rays. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 4:39 AM, Nigel Dyer l...@thedyers.org.uk wrote: The way that it was explained to me (by

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-24 Thread Jones Beene
From: David Roberson Eric, the broadband emission of photons does seem a little problematic Gentlemen, It is suspected by a specialist I have talked to - that the broadband emission (noise) or so-called continuum with a cutoff is an artful evasion (cop-out) by Mills and could be a

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-24 Thread Jeff Driscoll
the continuum is not easy to see in the data because it is hidden by emissions due other atoms such as oxygen etc. But in some of their experiments, the fact that they get *any* xrays (the continuum radiation and oxygen peaks) is some proof of hydrinos because the voltage used to create it was so

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-24 Thread Axil Axil
Corrected for spelling and revised There is a well know property of nano-particles explained by nano-engineersing and nano-optics which provides conversion of incoming photon energy to either increase(even x-ray level) or decrease the frequency of the outgoing photon frequency. Other

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-23 Thread mixent
In reply to David Roberson's message of Mon, 20 Jan 2014 19:48:41 -0500 (EST): Hi, [snip] Jeff, I would be very surprised if the atom did not radiate energy under the conditions demonstrated in your second link. A distant observer would see an E field that is changing direction back and forth

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-23 Thread David Roberson
]:BLP's announcement In reply to David Roberson's message of Mon, 20 Jan 2014 19:48:41 -0500 (EST): Hi, [snip] Jeff, I would be very surprised if the atom did not radiate energy under the conditions demonstrated in your second link. A distant observer would see an E field that is changing

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-23 Thread mixent
In reply to David Roberson's message of Thu, 23 Jan 2014 17:41:12 -0500 (EST): Hi, [snip] Robin, there is only one lower frequency where radiation is not possible and that is zero radians per second. If you believe that some other frequency exists that is a threshold how would that be

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-23 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:20 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Unless I'm mistaken, the reason for non-radiation is that there is a lower limit to radiation as a phenomenon. According to the presentation at zhydrogen [1], when the electron spirals down to a more redundant level, there is a

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-23 Thread David Roberson
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Jan 23, 2014 8:09 pm Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement In reply to David Roberson's message of Thu, 23 Jan 2014 17:41:12 -0500 (EST): Hi, [snip] Robin, there is only one lower frequency where radiation is not possible and that is zero

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-23 Thread David Roberson
opinion of the events. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Jan 23, 2014 10:06 pm Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:20 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Unless I'm mistaken

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-23 Thread Axil Axil
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:20 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Unless I'm mistaken, the reason for non-radiation is that there is a lower limit to radiation as a phenomenon. According to the presentation at zhydrogen [1], when the electron

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-23 Thread David Roberson
energy for a long time. Is there evidence that the nano cavities that you describe are super conductive? Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Jan 24, 2014 12:34 am Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-23 Thread Axil Axil
describe are super conductive? Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Jan 24, 2014 12:34 am Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement Mills may be mistaking nanoparticles for hydrinos. Nanoparticles can

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-23 Thread Axil Axil
: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement Mills may be mistaking nanoparticles for hydrinos. Nanoparticles can be excited by a single photon. That incoming excitation energy is relaxed by a broadband spectrum of many photons as the free electrons orbiting the surface of the nanoparticles reemit

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-23 Thread David Roberson
be a more appropriate way to handle these cases. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Jan 24, 2014 12:47 am Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement If you remember, Milley discovered superconductivity in small

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-23 Thread David Roberson
Sent: Fri, Jan 24, 2014 12:56 am Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement In general, Mills is weak in the explanation of optical theory and nanoparticle theory. I looked for his explanation for evanescent wave formation and the whispering gallery wave, also Fano resonance. He does

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-23 Thread Axil Axil
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement In general, Mills is weak in the explanation of optical theory and nanoparticle theory. I looked for his explanation for evanescent wave formation and the whispering gallery wave, also Fano resonance. He does not cover soliton or plasmoid

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-23 Thread David Roberson
. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Jan 24, 2014 1:04 am Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement But Dear David, If you don't cover every possible contingency, how can you be sure that your main posit

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-23 Thread Axil Axil
of plenty of questions. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Jan 24, 2014 1:04 am Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement But Dear David, If you don't cover every possible contingency, how can you

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-21 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sun, 19 Jan 2014 21:36:41 -0500: Hi, [snip] http://phys.org/news/2014-01-einstein-wrong.html Why Einstein will never be wrong A new theory does not replace a old theory, in improves it. Einstein improved the old theory of gravity. But we still use the old

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-21 Thread Axil Axil
What I mean to say is that first Mills is required to explain in total, the double slit experiment including the measurement paradox and then he should move forward from there. On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 3:35 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sun, 19 Jan 2014

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-20 Thread Jeff Driscoll
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Jan 19, 2014 11:13 pm Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement I am guessing there is some sort transition state (of slightly higher energy) that must be overcome before the hydrogen atom can fall below the ground state into a hydrino state

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2014-01-20 Thread Mike Carrell
: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement gammas and xrays won't (as far as I know) turn a hdyrino into a hydrogen through ionization, but a cosmic ray (a high energy particle) *can* ionize a hyrino and turn it into a hydrogen when it recaptures some other electron. In Mills's theory, energy

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-20 Thread Jeff Driscoll
[mailto:jef...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, January 20, 2014 9:53 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement gammas and xrays won't (as far as I know) turn a hdyrino into a hydrogen through ionization, but a cosmic ray (a high energy particle) *can* ionize

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2014-01-20 Thread Jones Beene
From: David Roberson A thought just occurred to me. Is it not possible to ionize a hydrino with high temperatures, gamma radiation, or other energetic processes? This should be able to return the hydrino back into hydrogen again which should be

Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-20 Thread Jeff Driscoll
As far as I know, Mills's theory does not predict a continuum radiation having a cuttoff at a frequency that corresponds to a 27.2 eV for transitions that start from n = 1 (maybe fractional to fractional transition does, I don't know) see here:

RE: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-20 Thread Jones Beene
Your spiel is a complete cop out. The Lehigh chart, which I have seen, shows a distinct signature. A so-called continuum with a cutoff is NOT a signature. It is a subterfuge. Mills has been frustrated over the years in being unable to show a distinct signature for the first level of

Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-20 Thread P.J van Noorden
- From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 5:39 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:BLP's announcement Your spiel is a complete cop out. The Lehigh chart, which I have seen, shows a distinct signature. A so-called continuum with a cutoff is NOT a signature

Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-20 Thread Jeff Driscoll
- *From:* Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Monday, January 20, 2014 5:39 PM *Subject:* RE: [Vo]:BLP's announcement Your spiel is a complete cop out. The Lehigh chart, which I have seen, shows a distinct signature. A so-called “continuum with a cutoff

RE: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-20 Thread Jones Beene
- Original Message - From: Jones Beene mailto:jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 5:39 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:BLP's announcement Your spiel is a complete cop out. The Lehigh chart, which I have seen, shows a distinct signature. A so

Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-20 Thread P.J van Noorden
continued his work Peter - Original Message - From: Jeff Driscoll To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement thank you Peter, Are there any more groups that you know replicated Mills's work - besides Rowan

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-20 Thread H Veeder
Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Jan 19, 2014 11:13 pm Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement I am guessing there is some sort transition state (of slightly higher energy) that must be overcome before the hydrogen atom can fall below

RE: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-20 Thread Mike Carrell
Carrell _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 11:13 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement From: David Roberson A thought just

RE: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-20 Thread Mike Carrell
of hydrogen atoms is in the sub 10 nanometer range, below the cutoff point for normal hydrogen. Mike Carrell From: Jeff Driscoll [mailto:jef...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 11:27 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement As far as I know, Mills's theory does

RE: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-20 Thread Jones Beene
Mike, I am bit surprised and disappointed that you apparently do not realize that the study in question was indeed gas phase. This was in fact a nickel hydrogen (capillary tube) reactor of Thermacore’s own design, and the study was done for the Air Force at Wright Patterson. This is as close to

Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-20 Thread P.J van Noorden
: [Vo]:BLP's announcement Mike, I am bit surprised and disappointed that you apparently do not realize that the study in question was indeed gas phase. This was in fact a nickel hydrogen (capillary tube) reactor of Thermacore’s own design, and the study was done for the Air Force at Wright

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2014-01-20 Thread Jones Beene
Hello Peter, Here is the citation on the LENR site. The fact that it is an older paper should not diminish the fact that it was in Mills’ interest to ignore both the results and the Lehigh technique. https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/GernertNnascenthyd.pdf

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2014-01-20 Thread Mike Carrell
encountered: I am also aware of them, but I prefer to highlight the progress. Mike arrell _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 1:11 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:BLP's announcement Mike, I am

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2014-01-20 Thread Mike Carrell
] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 12:36 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement Hello Jeff, Mills only provided the cell which was send to Conrads. Mills was not involved in the experiments which where done in Jüllich by Conrads (and a Phd). Conrads was a very

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-20 Thread David Roberson
: Jeff Driscoll jef...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Jan 20, 2014 10:49 am Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement if FRET (Forster Resonance Enegy Transfer) can happen for manganese in a dipole dipole energy transfer that varies with distance to the 1/6th

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-20 Thread Jeff Driscoll
: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement if FRET (Forster Resonance Enegy Transfer) can happen for manganese in a dipole dipole energy transfer that varies with distance to the 1/6th power then Mills is not totally off base with his theory of a hydrogen transferring energy via FRET. this is all

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-20 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 4:48 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: All they need to do to ensure that no radiation is emitted at a stable orbital is to force the electrons to be distributed per above instead of existing as a single moving point. If I recall correctly, those models do

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-20 Thread David Roberson
be accommodated. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Jan 20, 2014 8:04 pm Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 4:48 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: All they need

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-20 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:05 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Eric, if you are asking me this question, I would refer most of it to the Mills experts. I am sorry if I mixed up the quantum theory with Mills' theory in that post. Ah, no doubt my mistake. The hypothesized

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-20 Thread David Roberson
My bad. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Jan 20, 2014 11:13 pm Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:05 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Eric

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-19 Thread Mike Carrell
...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 2:19 AM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement Mills states: The BEC is incorrectly interpreted as a single large atom having a corresponding probability wave function of quantum mechanics. Since excitation occurs

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-19 Thread Axil Axil
. Mike Carrell *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Sunday, January 19, 2014 2:19 AM *To:* vortex-l *Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement Mills states: *The BEC is incorrectly interpreted as a single large atom having a corresponding probability

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-19 Thread David Roberson
-Original Message- From: Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Jan 19, 2014 8:42 pm Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement Dave, I am happy that you are digging in the right places. I’m no expert in this area. I suggest you join the Society

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-19 Thread Jeff Driscoll
mi...@medleas.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Jan 19, 2014 8:42 pm Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement Dave, I am happy that you are digging in the right places. I’m no expert in this area. I suggest you join the Society for Classical Physics, moderated by Dr

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-19 Thread Mike Carrell
insight to the great problems of physics. I expect that it will be debated for decades, possibly leading to new insights. Mike Carrell From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 9:37 PM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement http

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-19 Thread Axil Axil
: [Vo]:BLP's announcement http://phys.org/news/2014-01-einstein-wrong.html Why Einstein will never be wrong A new theory does not replace a old theory, in improves it. Einstein improved the old theory of gravity. But we still use the old theory because it is valid in its own context

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-19 Thread David Roberson
: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement I have a good intro to the basics of Mills's theory (plus much more detail) at http://zhydrogen.com/ much of it is details on the hydrogen atom and hydrinos - I don't go into details of SQM (Standard Quantum Mechanics) vs CQM (Classical Quantum

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-19 Thread H Veeder
*To:* vortex-l *Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement http://phys.org/news/2014-01-einstein-wrong.html Why Einstein will never be wrong A new theory does not replace a old theory, in improves it. Einstein improved the old theory of gravity. But we still use the old theory

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-19 Thread Axil Axil
*To:* vortex-l *Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement http://phys.org/news/2014-01-einstein-wrong.html Why Einstein will never be wrong A new theory does not replace a old theory, in improves it. Einstein improved the old theory of gravity. But we still use the old theory because

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-19 Thread David Roberson
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:18 pm Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement Dave, Mills cites Newton, Maxwell and Einstein as reference for his classical theory. QM had its origin in the “ultraviolet catastrophe” of 19th century physics. Accelerated

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-19 Thread David Roberson
be a far field effect. Dave -Original Message- From: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Jan 19, 2014 11:13 pm Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement I am guessing there is some sort transition state (of slightly higher energy

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-18 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Thu, 16 Jan 2014 20:38:39 -0500: Hi, [snip] I meant individual atoms, and I realize that clusters would probably have somewhat different energy levels, however it would be very coincidental if these exactly matched Hydrino energy levels. The author of the paper

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-18 Thread Axil Axil
We must accept that hydrinos exist because Mills has experimentally demonstrated them. But we do not need to accept the 1700 pages of theory that Mill uses to explain them. There are other explanations that are easier to swallow. http://arxiv.org/pdf/1305.5194v1.pdf Fractional spin and charge is

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-18 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sat, 18 Jan 2014 16:47:17 -0500: Hi, [snip] We must accept that hydrinos exist because Mills has experimentally demonstrated them. But we do not need to accept the 1700 pages of theory that Mill uses to explain them. There are other explanations that are easier

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-18 Thread Axil Axil
Beauty comes from truth. On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 5:14 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sat, 18 Jan 2014 16:47:17 -0500: Hi, [snip] We must accept that hydrinos exist because Mills has experimentally demonstrated them. But we do not need to accept the 1700

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-18 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sat, 18 Jan 2014 17:15:56 -0500: Hi, [snip] Beauty comes from truth. The truth is not always beautiful. However what I was trying to say is that whether or not one finds something easy to swallow varies from one person to the next. On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-18 Thread Mike Carrell
: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement Beauty comes from truth. On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 5:14 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sat, 18 Jan 2014 16:47:17 -0500: Hi, [snip] We must accept that hydrinos exist because Mills has experimentally demonstrated them. But we do

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-18 Thread Axil Axil
not or Relativity, but for earlier elucidation of the photoelectric effect. Mike Carrell *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Saturday, January 18, 2014 5:16 PM *To:* vortex-l *Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement Beauty comes from truth. On Sat, Jan 18

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-18 Thread David Roberson
that qbits exist. What is your take on them? Dave -Original Message- From: Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Jan 18, 2014 9:50 pm Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement Beauty indeed comes from truth, ad Mills’ GUTCP is very

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-18 Thread Axil Axil
*To:* vortex-l *Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement Beauty comes from truth. On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 5:14 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sat, 18 Jan 2014 16:47:17 -0500: Hi, [snip] We must accept that hydrinos exist because Mills has

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-16 Thread mixent
In reply to Roarty, Francis X's message of Wed, 15 Jan 2014 17:39:32 +: Hi Fran, [snip] Hydrinos have never been observed directly and only occur inside the metal lattice where geometry dictates. This is just wrong. The most common signature of Hydrino reactions is usually detected in

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-16 Thread Axil Axil
How does Mills theory distinguish been orbitals in a atom verses orbitals in small atomic Rydberg cluster of 10 atoms or less. I say the Mills experiments can't. On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 3:56 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Roarty, Francis X's message of Wed, 15 Jan 2014 17:39:32

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-16 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Thu, 16 Jan 2014 16:26:06 -0500: Hi, How does Mills theory distinguish been orbitals in a atom verses orbitals in small atomic Rydberg cluster of 10 atoms or less. I say the Mills experiments can't. [snip] Rydberg atoms don't have multiple energy levels and

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-16 Thread Axil Axil
Don't you mean to say that Rydberg clusters don't have multiple energy levels and characteristic transition energies, which are seen in Hydrino experiments? On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 7:08 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Thu, 16 Jan 2014 16:26:06 -0500: Hi,

Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: the detailed chemistry and identification of Hydrinos by ten analytical methods that laboratories can follow and replicate are given at http://www.blacklightpower.com/. Without offering an opinion about whether Blacklight Power actually has a

Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-15 Thread Axil Axil
If hydrinos are real, are they a cause or an effect? Do hydrinos emerge from more basic processes that only happen in rare and unusual conditions? For example, cooper pairs of electrons only occur in superconductors. There are very specific and unusual conditions in a solid that produce cooper

Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: I do not think it is possible for such a small object to produce a megawatt of power. It would melt. Even if it were pure electricity this would not be possible without a superconducting cable. There is a shopping mall near my house. When you go in the back entrance you pass the

Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-15 Thread Eric Walker
On Jan 15, 2014, at 5:59, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Without offering an opinion about whether Blacklight Power actually has a gainful reaction, I will say that this particular detail sounds like pure huxterism. Why? They seem

Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-15 Thread Axil Axil
In a pulsed system, the peak power might only be produced for a small fraction of a second…like what happens in an explosion. The average power is a function of the repetition rate of the pulse. It might be that the power produced by the SF-CIHT cell comes mostly from the near instantaneous

Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-15 Thread Axil Axil
More... http://www.financialpost.com/markets/news/BlackLight+Power+Announces+Game+Changing+Achievement+Generation+Millions/9384649/story.html Regarding the statement: “The disclosure of one of BlackLight’s patent application that was recently-filed worldwide, its 10 MW electric SF-CIHT cell

Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: A truly annoying press release. Good summary. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-15 Thread Alain Sepeda
for me the only question is about the reports of testing by visitors, and the last independent replication. If real, whatever we think of Hydrino, of the press release, it works at least enough to make a revolution at kW/kg scale. Fantastic news, even if all else is wrong. If not real, this is a

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-15 Thread Roarty, Francis X
. Fran From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:45 AM To: vortex-l Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement If hydrinos are real, are they a cause or an effect? Do hydrinos emerge from more basic processes that only happen in rare and unusual conditions

Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-14 Thread David Roberson
complicates accuracy. Dave -Original Message- From: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com To: VORTEX vortex-l@eskimo.com; CMNS c...@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Jan 14, 2014 10:37 am Subject: [Vo]:BLP's announcement This, this time seems to be remarkable progress- if true: http

Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-14 Thread James Bowery
A truly annoying press release. Nothing about continuous or sustained power. Nothing about the energy in represented by that 12,000 amps. The 12,000 amps is stated as though we're supposed to be impressed at the large number when it is talking in terms of input to the system and could easily

Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-14 Thread James Bowery
Erratum: There is one sentence that is unambiguous about the word continuous: Technical papers by BlackLight providing the experimental tests of plasma to electric conversion, results of excess energy production from solid fuels, *results of continuous electricity production* at fifty times

Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-14 Thread AlanG
There are two job openings at BLP: DIRECTOR, PLASMA TO ELECTRIC CONVERSION PROGRAM http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/Director%20Plasma%20to%20Electric%20Conversion%20Program%20112713.pdf and SENIOR MECHANICAL ENGINEER

RE: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-14 Thread Jones Beene
The main reason to suspect that this truly annoying press release is not LENR is because the inventor emphatically supplies his own theory as an alternative - which he steadfastly considers NOT to involve the nucleus. But Mills could be wrong about M.O. and right about the gain (or wrong

Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: No inventor, no matter how brilliant, gets to automatically make the final scientific determination about how his device functions. He may insist that he designed it to function in a certain manner, but that is not enough. Yes! This is important. It

Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement

2014-01-14 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 2:29 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: the detailed chemistry and identification of Hydrinos by ten analytical methods that laboratories can follow and replicate are given at http://www.blacklightpower.com/. Without offering an opinion about whether Blacklight