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- > *From: *"Jed Rothwell" <jedrothw...@gmail.com> > *To: *"vortex-l" <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > *Sent: *Thursday, April 14, 2016 11:40:18 AM > *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb > > a.ashfield <a.ashfi...@verizon.net&

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) ranging from 20 to 80 has been reported, I can confirm that I have got the same information. From: "Jed Rothwell" <jedrothw...@gmail.com> To: "vortex-l" <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 11:40:18 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future -

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I want to go on record with a theory. This theory has predictions that can explain experimental results. One prediction is the production of intense RF because the reaction is magnetic and RF is a result of Active NMR elements. Another production is the production of x-rays when an electric arc

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Axil Axil, I read what you wrote and looked up the terms I was not familiar with. I don't know enough about these exotic particles to judge the likelihood of you being right. It seems to me that this is speculation unless you can provide proof. Certainly you have not provided a way of

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a.ashfield wrote: > You write about claims of a COP of 80. My recollection was that it peaked > at 60 and we don't really know what the average was. You may be right. I tend to get numbers wrong. - Jed

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Jed, Your faith in the law is touching. The law is an ass (as stated by the chief justice) I am not confident a judge deciding between two experts would get it right. Much more likely to be decided by the wording of the contract. You write about claims of a COP of 80. My recollection was

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Jed, You take on many hats. You say this is not how business is run. Sorry to disagree but that is exactly why this is business and not government run development. Both parties has 'married' with open eyes and then they have second thoughts. Only one of them or both, right or not does not matter.

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On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Craig Haynie wrote: > > >> It is for the courts to decide whether the omission of a clause like this >>> prevents the application of common sense... >>> >> >> But I think we agree that

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On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Craig Haynie wrote: > > >> IH had already paid Rossi $11.5 million, and Rossi had already given IH >> his IP. >> > > I.H. says the device does not work. Therefore the IP is worthless. > My

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Jed wrote: "One side or the other is definitely, drastically, 100% certainly wrong. One says the device produces 80 times input, and the other says it produces 1 times input. As I said, I cannot imagine why anyone here thinks Rossi is likely to be right, given his track record of making terrible

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Craig Haynie wrote: > It is for the courts to decide whether the omission of a clause like this >> prevents the application of common sense... >> > > But I think we agree that 'common sense' does not necessarily mean that > either side would have the option to opt-out

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Craig Haynie wrote: > IH had already paid Rossi $11.5 million, and Rossi had already given IH > his IP. > I.H. says the device does not work. Therefore the IP is worthless. If expert witnesses testify that I.H. is correct, and the judge rules in favor of I.H., I.H.

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On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Eric Walker wrote: > > It is for the courts to decide whether the omission of a clause like this > prevents the application of common sense... > But I think we agree that 'common sense' does not necessarily mean that either side would have

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On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 7:29 AM, Craig Haynie wrote: No one would pay on that basis... >> > > It would have been easy to write that into the contract. The contract > could have said, "Both IH and Rossi have the option to do an independent > 350 test, and the final

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On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > > Some people have said that Penon is the sole ERV author listed in the > contract and therefore whatever he says must be accepted by both sides. > Last year I.H. said they would abide by whatever he said, so now

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Hi Jed, Do you or your contact know by any chance who initially introduced the ERV to the project? Was it AR, IH, or someone else? It seems his role was not for the public verification of the plant but rather as an independent arbitrator between IH and AR. There have been a lot of

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How do we know whether or not most of the heat is exhausted through some sort of chimney after performing its processing? It is pure speculation to assume that everyone will be roasted without knowing the exact system being tested. I detect far too much speculation and too little actual

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Jed speculation of the heat loading in an office sounds like a lot of hot air. On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 11:48 PM, Patrick Ellul wrote: > The location of the factory where the 1MW plant ran is not public. > The identity of the customer is also not publicly known, nor what

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What would stop Rossi from handing 10M over to the judge in the upcoming law case? The ERV is acting as a judge in this test. If I.H. does not like the judges verdict, do they just walk away without paying the judgment. What happened to law and order and fair play in florida this days? ERV = judge

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The location of the factory where the 1MW plant ran is not public. The identity of the customer is also not publicly known, nor what they used the heat for. It is suggested that the customer manufacters chemicals. Jed must be speculating, or he is privy to inside information. Regards.

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Axil Axil wrote: The value and quality of the ERV report is subjective, But in any contest > where the referee is agreed upon beforehand. > This is not a sporting event. > If the referee makes a call that one side does not agree with, that > aggrieved party cannot take

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Do you know the address of the customer's industrial pant or do you only have the address of the business office of the customer in Florida? On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 11:32 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Sean True wrote: > > >> In fact, it would fit in a

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Sean True wrote: > In fact, it would fit in a modest living room. The dimensions are 6' > across, 6' high, and 7' long. > The interesting question is how would you use that much steam? > Using that much steam or heat in a small warehouse space would kill you, as I said. It

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The value and quality of the ERV report is subjective, But in any contest where the referee is agreed upon beforehand. If the referee makes a call that one side does not agree with, that aggrieved party cannot take their ball and go home no matter how incompetent the referee is. You take the loss

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In fact, it would fit in a modest living room. The dimensions are 6' across, 6' high, and 7' long. The interesting question is how would you use that much steam? -- Sean On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 9:35 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I wrote: > > >> A dry cleaner steam generator

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Maybe the whole eCat is just one big lithium battery bank. On Wednesday, April 13, 2016, Blaze Spinnaker wrote: > Yah, I think this is more likely - that they just can't duplicate what > he's done. > > I think Jed is over reaching and making big assumptions on what

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Yah, I think this is more likely - that they just can't duplicate what he's done. I think Jed is over reaching and making big assumptions on what he's been told by his 'insider' sources. Lol. For example, Rossi might be refueling his eCats with something and Penon might just not be in on it.

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The electrical input is defined by the cost of the power paid to the electric utility. The customer must have measured the amount of steam produced by the E-Cat in order to pay IH for that steam. On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 9:10 PM, Jack Cole wrote: > But unfortunately Axil,

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I wrote: > A dry cleaner steam generator is ~10 kW. See: > > http://www.reimersinc.com/steam-boilers-garment > Here is a 750 kW boiler. I will grant, you could fit this boiler into the warehouse. You would then operate 75 steam presses from it, which is not possible:

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Axil Axil wrote: If the COP of the E-Cat is high enough, these gross input and output power > levels will show a COP over 6, > If the COP 8000 as claimed (80 times input) everyone in the building would be dead. That is easy to establish. Just look at the Google street view

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But unfortunately Axil, there is nothing to compare the bill to. They set up the factory just for the test in contrast to many of Rossi's early statements on the matter (if I am recalling correctly). On Wed, Apr 13, 2016, 8:00 PM Axil Axil wrote: > There is another measure

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There is another measure of performance that could be used to replace the ERV. The customer's electric meter shows how much electric power fed unto the E-Cat and the customer paid for the steam that the E-Cat produced. If the COP of the E-Cat is high enough, these gross input and output power

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a.ashfield wrote: > Jed. "I hereby certify that this reactor produces anomalous heat with a > COP exceeding 6. Please remit $89 million." > > That is a gross over simplification. Yes, that is what I said. It is meant to be. This is an extreme example of a report that

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Jed. "I hereby certify that this reactor produces anomalous heat with a COP exceeding 6. Please remit $89 million." That is a gross over simplification. It was the third part of a three part process and IH had representatives there for the whole year. The contract states that the ERV

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Post revised and extended as follows: One critical facet of LENR is the production of a special type of nanoparticle: a superconductive hydride. This particle is produced by the extremely high pressure exerted by the chemical bonds in the lattice of a transition metal substrate lattice. Lithium

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I wrote: > Rossi stated that he wanted to release the report but had not on his >> attorney;s advice. How dO you know better? >> > > I cannot discuss that now. I hope I can later today. Sorry to be > mysterious, but I really do hope I can say something definitive about that > topic soon. >

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a.ashfield wrote: My reading of IH's statement is quite different. I don't recall them > saying there was no heat. They said THEY could not duplicate Rossi's > results. That is not the same thing. > They say the one-year test did not work. Believe me, that is what

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One critical facet of LENR is the production of a special type of nanoparticle: a superconductive hydride. This particle is produced by the extremely high pressure exerted by the chemical bonds in the lattice of a transition metal substrate lattice. Lithium hydride is an example of such a

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Imagine how far a person can go with the support of crowd sourced enabling and excuse making. ;) On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 11:29 AM a.ashfield wrote: > Jed, > > My reading of IH's statement is quite different. I don't recall them > saying there was no heat. They said

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This is a really funny exchange. The Cat concerto is very clever. Joseph Fine wrote. I admit the following video inspired me to come up with the name “E-Cat Symphony”. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeoT66v4EHg Andrea Rossi April 13, 2016 at 9:52 AM Dr Joseph Fine: You have made

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Jed, My reading of IH's statement is quite different. I don't recall them saying there was no heat. They said THEY could not duplicate Rossi's results. That is not the same thing. There has been quite a lot of speculation that the dispute is really about whether they have received

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Axil Axil wrote. "Monopole magnetic flux tubes produced by Surface Plasmon Polaritons embedded inside a superconductive environment produces nucleon decay into mesons and subsequent nuclear reconfiguration. It's as simple as that." That is not at all simple, I know you have written about

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dear Axil, I included it in the blog today peter On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > I posted this on the cheifio blog twice as follows: > > This article hit all my hot buttons, but the assumed fundamental LENR > cause: hot fusion is not valid. LENR is

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I posted this on the cheifio blog twice as follows: This article hit all my hot buttons, but the assumed fundamental LENR cause: hot fusion is not valid. LENR is caused by nucleon decay into mesons. Muons will produce a fusion reaction in many cases but LENR fundamentally results from the

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with www.rossilivecat.com/ it goes easier peter On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > a.ashfield wrote: > > >> I do not know if there is another complete report, but I do know that the >> I.H. observer disagrees with the Penon

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a.ashfield wrote: > I do not know if there is another complete report, but I do know that the > I.H. observer disagrees with the Penon report, for good reasons." > > Earlier I thought you wrote that Penon was incompetent and the report > valueless I think he is

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no problem: Eco la: *Patrick EllulApril 13, 2016 at 7:13 AMDear Andrea,Jed Rothwell alleges that there is a second ERV of the 1 year 1MW plat test and that his report draws an opposite conclusion to the the one from the ERV that you described.Does this second ERV exist?Best

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Peter Gluck wrote: > see please Rossi's answer on his Blog > peter > I have difficulty navigating his blog. Would you kindly copy the answer here? - Jed

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see please Rossi's answer on his Blog peter On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 5:54 PM, a.ashfield wrote: > Jed wrote.."Ask him why he will not release the Penon report. He will give > some sort of bullshit answer I expect. The real reason is because the > report makes him look

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EMS (Chiefio) has posted an interesting piece about how LENR works that allows one to visualize it. Read it and the comments that elaborate on the idea. LENR Lithium Size Matters https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2016/04/11/lenr-lithium-size-matters/

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Jed wrote.."Ask him why he will not release the Penon report. He will give some sort of bullshit answer I expect. The real reason is because the report makes him look like a fool. I do not know if there is another complete report, but I do know that the I.H. observer disagrees with the Penon

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Ask him why he will not release the Penon report. He will give some sort of bullshit answer I expect. The real reason is because the report makes him look like a fool. I do not know if there is another complete report, but I do know that the I.H. observer disagrees with the Penon report, for good

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Patrick Ellul April 13, 2016 at 7:13 AM Dear Andrea, Jed Rothwell alleges that there is a second ERV of the 1 year 1MW plat test and that his report draws an opposite conclusion to the the one from the ERV that you described. Does this second ERV exist? Best regards, Patrick Andrea Rossi

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On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 8:34 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I recall another ERV is mentioned in the lawsuit papers. I don't recall > where. > I did a little reading and found this: - In the complaint there was mention of the ERV (Penon) and two people to maintain,

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On 04/12/2016 10:00 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: [...] and according to I.H. the 1-year test did not work. How would they know? Did Rossi let them do another independent test after they signed the agreement? The 'independent ERV test' was the definitive test. IH released their pessimistic

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Craig Haynie wrote: > Mats Lewan mentioned this in his latest blog, and I had thought I lost > track of this test from 2011. After the test, the e-cat went into > heat-after-death for almost four hours. I remember seeing someone touch it > after six hours, and pull

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There is one thing I want to bring up, and why I give Rossi any chance at having something interesting... Mats Lewan mentioned this in his latest blog, and I had thought I lost track of this test from 2011. After the test, the e-cat went into heat-after-death for almost four hours. I

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Eric Walker wrote: If there are two contradictory reports by two different ERVs, this story > will have taken a turn from the colorful to the surreal. > I recall another ERV is mentioned in the lawsuit papers. I don't recall where. - Jed

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On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 8:05 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: And half the other guy's salary too. One of them knows what he is doing and > the other does not. If the reports are ever released you will see. > If there are two contradictory reports by two different ERVs, this story

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a.ashfield wrote: You also say you know from secret sources that the report is worthless and > that you have been talking to Mats. So presumably he knows the report is > valueless too. > No, he does not know that. Perhaps he has not talked to my sources, or perhaps he

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On 04/12/2016 07:59 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Craig Haynie > wrote: The legal case does not hinge on whether the device works. As the agreement is worded, IH pays IF and WHEN the ERV signs a document that the device

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Jed, What you say does not add up. You say you are a speaker at Mats Lewan's seminar, and whether that takes place depends on the ERV's report. You also say you know from secret sources that the report is worthless and that you have been talking to Mats. So presumably he knows the report

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Sean True wrote: > It does appear that he is an expert in certifications, industrial > processes, and possibly in power plants. Perhaps IH was originally more > concerned about safety and deployment than whether LENR is practical. > He is a certified nitwit. - Jed

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Axil Axil wrote: > And yet, I.H. entered a legally binding agreement and paid half of Penon's > salary. > And half the other guy's salary too. One of them knows what he is doing and the other does not. If the reports are ever released you will see. - Jed

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Jed -- I think we might agree that Ing. Fabio Penon is not an expert HVAC engineer. That's different than saying that he is not an expert in something relevant to the contract between IH and Rossi, and it seems silly to assume that IH would be foolish enough to agree to a expert irrelevant to the

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And yet, I.H. entered a legally binding agreement and paid half of Penon's salary. On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 7:59 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Craig Haynie wrote: > > >> The legal case does not hinge on whether the device works. As the >> agreement

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Craig Haynie wrote: > The legal case does not hinge on whether the device works. As the > agreement is worded, IH pays IF and WHEN the ERV signs a document that the > device performed to certain specifications. IH does not have an option to > bail if they don't agree

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On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 5:27 PM, Craig Haynie wrote: The legal case does not hinge on whether the device works. As the agreement > is worded, IH pays IF and WHEN the ERV signs a document that the device > performed to certain specifications. IH does not have an option

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On 04/12/2016 03:21 PM, Axil Axil wrote: How dos a legal case handle an issue whereby everybody believes that LENR is impossible and a pseudoscience square with the main contention that Rossi has not revealed how LENR can be made to work? The predicate of such a case seems crazy to me.

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Axil Axil wrote: How dos a legal case handle an issue whereby everybody believes that LENR > is impossible and a pseudoscience . . . > It should be easy in this case. Just have a certified HVAC engineer review Penon's report and operate the machine. You will have a clear

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YES - Jed Best Regards , Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM) On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: >

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How dos a legal case handle an issue whereby everybody believes that LENR is impossible and a pseudoscience square with the main contention that Rossi has not revealed how LENR can be made to work? The predicate of such a case seems crazy to me. On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Jed Rothwell

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Lennart Thornros wrote: Jed - My point was that you have talked to some people. > You do not know if they said things to make you 'just go away'. > I can usually tell when that is the message. > There was no reason to fill you in with more than what sat on their tongue.

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Jed - My point was that you have talked to some people. You do not know if they said things to make you 'just go away'. There was no reason to fill you in with more than what sat on their tongue. You are drawing conclusions and make them sound like facts based on very weak contacts. In addition

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Lennart Thornros wrote: Jed, (I should say nothing but) has AR's lawyer said it is advisable to do > so (publish the report)? > In January, February and March, Rossi announced his intention to publish the report. The lawsuit preparations were underway at that time. If his

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Jed, What often happens is that the first report is more in the nature of a draft, so that the parties that paid for it can alter bits they don't like and correct errors. The ERV will want to sign the final draft to ensure it says only what he agrees with. So there are likely three parties.

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Jed, (I should say nothing but) has AR's lawyer said it is advisable to do so (publish the report)? Best Regards , Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass.

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a.ashfield wrote: AA. From long before the end of the 1 MW plant test Rossi said that public > release of the ERV report required agreement of all three parties. There are only two parties as far as I know: Rossi and I. H. Penon is so-called expert but I do not think he

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Several commenters on Vortex have disparaged the ERV and the report. Jones Beene says he has secret negative information on the report that he declines to publish and that Penon will "flee the country.". Therefore this repeat of the ERV's qualifications are worth a look. Rossi claims the ERV

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Jed. "He is lying. There are no legalities preventing him from publishing. He could publish it anytime he wants." AA. From long before the end of the 1 MW plant test Rossi said that public release of the ERV report required agreement of all three parties. What makes you think you know better?

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Jed, it is not worth to discuss. If he has no legal paragraph that prevent him is of no significance. He has legal concerns with respect to the lawsuit. He needs his lawyer to advice him I guess. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 Whatever you vividly

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likely. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker <eric.wal...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Mon, Apr 11, 2016 11:31 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb Dave, My point is not a strong one. It is largely a comment t

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u aware of any experiment that has demonstrated what you are > proposing? > > Dave > > > -Original Message- > From: Eric Walker <eric.wal...@gmail.com> > To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Mon, Apr 11, 2016 9:13 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Next Big

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;vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Mon, Apr 11, 2016 9:40 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb Lennart Thornros <lenn...@thornros.com> wrote: I doubt that it will come. If he wanted to release it, he would have already. He has stated he will publish as soon as the lega

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t; Sent: Mon, Apr 11, 2016 9:13 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:01 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: Now, if you double the amount of fuel contained within the volume you can be quite certain that the outside temperature will

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Lennart Thornros wrote: > I doubt that it will come. If he wanted to release it, he would have > already. > > He has stated he will publish as soon as the legalities are cleared. > He is lying. There are no legalities preventing him from publishing. He could publish it

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On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:01 PM, David Roberson wrote: Now, if you double the amount of fuel contained within the volume you can > be quite certain that the outside temperature will increase, correct? Not, it seems, to me, if the LENR activity is directly proportional to

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one...@pacbell.net> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Mon, Apr 11, 2016 1:07 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb Dave, One other thing. I mention this because your opinion is important here, so please consider this: Tom Darden says that he has seen no therm

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The self sustain mode can only be produced when the reactor is configured for the Cat/Mouse setup. Also control (no meltdown) requires that the mouse must be low powered (COP = 1,2) On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 1:18 PM, a.ashfield wrote: > Axil Axil wrote. "Rossi uses the

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Axil Axil wrote. "Rossi uses the Mouse/Cat setup to amplify the COP by using multiple satellite unpowered reactors. Nobody has replicated this setup yet." Yes, I had the same thought and mentioned it to Mats. I did not want to publish it in view of the pending court case... I believe the

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Dave, One other thing. I mention this because your opinion is important here, so please consider this: Tom Darden says that he has seen no thermal gain from Rossi. Tom Darden is an honest man and put $10 million of his money up front. Jed Rothwell has visited him and affirms that he is an

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-Original Message- From: Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Mon, Apr 11, 2016 12:24 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb From: David Roberson If you accept that Rossi can achieve a COP of 1.5 then you

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>From Rossi’s blog. Teemu: I knew the Customer in the office of my Attorney Henry Johnson. They were enthusiast to test our 1 MW plant, to see if it really worked, because they were ( and are ) interested to buy more plants for their facilities in Europe. They wanted not to be exposed, though,

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Rossi uses the Mouse/Cat setup to amplify the COP by using multiple satellite unpowered reactors. Nobody has replicated this setup yet. On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > *From:* Jack Cole > > Thanks Dave. I would love to see a solid report. I still

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I.H employees where at the plant to monitor the performance of the ERV. On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 8:04 AM, a.ashfield wrote: > Craig, > It is hard to tell who said what in this format. > I was talking about Rossi's prior demos when I wrote that. The 1MW plant > is a

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that IH has shared > with competitors. The liability could be enormous compared to the 89M. > > Fran > > > > *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Sunday, April 10, 2016 9:59 PM > *To:* vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Next Big F

RE: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

From: David Roberson If you accept that Rossi can achieve a COP of 1.5 then you must realize that adding insulation can be used to increase that number to any desired level. Not true at all, Dave The COP of 1.5 requires good insulation to begin with. We have been thought this before,

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, the hotter it must become. What am I missing that limits the COP to a low level? Could you please shed light upon this issue? Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Mon, Apr 11, 2016 9:25 am Subject: RE: [

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Jed, In court they do not admit hearsay. You have heard from others that Rossi is hard to negotiate with. You say that you have negotiated with him and it was hard. Well, that kind of increases Rossi's credibility. I doubt he saw that you had anything to offer that he wanted. All negotiations

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