drive.
6. The missing test piece is electrical output. Same engineering issue as
with any nuclear reactor; to turn heat into electricity.
Andrew Palfreyman
Oops typo: should have been over 100 hours
- Original Message -
From: Andrew andrew...@att.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:14 AM
Subject: [Vo]:E-Cat general observations
My very first post here, so be gentle. By way of introduction, I was on
Usenet back
http://motls.blogspot.com/2013/05/tommaso-dorigo-impressed-by-cold-fusion.htmlMotl's
critique seems to hinge on the actual output power being far less than the
estimate.He asserts that the actual emissivity is far less than unity, and so
it's reasonable to supposethat the actual output power is
this in
quantitatively?
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote:
Doesn't he have this backwards? At constant output power, as the emissivity
Back in the day, Dennis, I turned $10K into $150K in a matter of weeks.
Palladium futures!
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: DJ Cravens
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 1:19 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:substitutes?
Oh and notice gold is down, Ni up and most
-cold-fusion-reactor-independently-verified-has-1-times-the-energy-density-of-gas
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote
http://pesn.com/2013/05/21/9602321_E-Cat_Validation_Creates_More_Questions/
- Original Message -
From: Andrew
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:41 PM
Subject: [Vo]:E-Cat in the press
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/156393-cold-fusion-reactor
.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote:
You're missing my point. A power meter looking at wall power is blind to
any
further that,
according to Randi, scientists are the most easily-fooled audience of all. Just
ask Geller and Taylor.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Andrew
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
A hidden
I could have predicted that, Giovanni, which is why I, having raised the issue
here, chose not to do that. He is an egomaniac, and you attempted to beard the
lion in its own den. The man has little integrity, quite frankly. However, he
is IMHO a quite talented physicist.
Andrew
for Utopia. What's
not right is to a priori refuse to discuss the possibility of a hoax. In my
view that's simply infantile.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Mark Gibbs
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
to foil output hoaxing, and run for weeks on
end. There are simply too many ways to fool people, given the controls
stipulated by Rossi et al over this experiment. I don't trust him.
Best, Andrew Palfreyman
- Original Message -
From: Andrew
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday
that clear.
What do you think of my hoax theories?
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
Whew. The paper which started this conversation indicates
their host and his apparatus.
Or perhaps the possibility that they were being taken for a ride simply did not
occur to them at a level of sophistication sufficient to warrant closer
inspection. We cannot know unless we interview them personally. I note your
temerity about this topic.
Andrew
I am with Mark. Kevin needs to grow some ethics.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Mark Gibbs
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Fwd: CMNS: Rossi's 3rd party test released:
Kevin,
Glad you think it's funny. I hope you find
does not address them.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote:
And note that all this was done inside Rossi's own facility
raises more questions
than answers.
Rossi has stated that the input waveform is proprietary. Therefore the obvious
question is whether these researchers were even allowed to look at it.
Best, Andrew
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday
Hey, I admit that's a bit far out. But lasers can be straightforwardly coerced
into producing something that's not a spot, you know.
If there's foul play, my money is on the input side, frankly.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent
I don't know if you are an EE in any way (I am), but irrelevant it is not. If
the measurement probes only work up to 60 Hz and the majority of the power is
being pumped at 200 Hz (arbitrary numbers), and the probes are 40 dB down at
200 Hz
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Jed
I think you're right. Would you be interested in their response?
I have said several times that I've read the paper. Nevertheless, it seems time
for another reading.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:39 PM
there - the
waveform generator - that's off limits.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
You definitely should drop any reference to powerful lasers. Can you
I'm not getting anything like the buzz I experienced in 1989 on
sci.physics.fusion, I must say. I suspect it's because I'm older!
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper
. The fence is uncomfortable, but at least a
path to the resolution of open issues appears to exist. I can't say fairer than
that. If I have an agenda, I'd describe it as the fervent desire for this thing
to work!
Best, Andrew
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l
Daniel,
I'm misunderstanding this reference of yours to the control with the empty
reactor. If there's a gizmo, then I assume it's either in the power supply or
the waveform generator. I suspect you're making a serious point that I'm
missing here.
Andrew
- Original Message
Interesting. To quote from the spec
Frequency range in automatic mode
45 to 65Hz / 0.1Hz / 0.1Hz
The frequency characteristics of the probes is unknown, but presumably they
match this roughly.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Mark Jurich jur...@hotmail.com
To: vortex
to make
sense simultaneously in this case, somebody would need to creep about and flip
a secret switch. That's too rich a conspiracy for my blood.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re
:)
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
User manual is at :
http://www.industrial-needs.com/manual/power-anlayser-pce-830.pdf
Again, no mention of DC
(modified) and #4.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Eric Walker
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
I'm still somewhat skeptical
. They are not looking very good at the moment, are they?
The fly in the ointment is that the calibration run worked.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Patrick Ellul
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:06 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
Just
that means on the wall power side. The way this is phrased is
suspect to me, because the wording is so vague and ambiguous. It doesn't seem
to be worthy of a scientist.
Best, Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 21
It's steel (with different steel end caps), inside corundum ceramic, inside
silicon nitride ceramic, with a coat of paint.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat
and
reverse-engineered it.
Andrew
source (I forget, sorry,
I read a lot today) nothing has been delivered anywhere. If they're real, then
he knows how to build the devices, by his own admission.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Daniel Rocha
To: John Milstone
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 5:33 AM
Subject: Re
Jed,
This is a marvellous post. Thanks.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:19 AM
Subject: [Vo]:Some reasons Rossi has personal credibility
We all know that Rossi has some personal credibility problems
Although my point about Why off limits? stands, I thank you for the
correction. As a general comment, it is quite possible to be a good
physicist and a fairly lousy electrical engineer. Comments posted here about
3-phase plus ground power have not yet been addressed.
Andrew
- Original
One more question to be settled: Were those very proximate shipping
containers inspected and found to be empty?
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Andrew andrew...@att.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
I was thinking more along the lines of near-field heating using an RF source
and lots of batteries.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
From
of.
It's just the way I think.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:05 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Re: Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
Andrew,
At least give us some idea of how they would be used, or what
with the Swedes from someone who
understands the issues.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem : power conditioner needed
Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote
Talar ni Svenska. Not much, anyway.
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem : power conditioner needed
Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote:
There's a whole lot
calorimetry can be done. One can never have enough measurements.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Duncan Cumming
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:58 PM
Subject: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem:cooling coils
Hi, guys!
This is my first post, Andrew
Kilovolts.
3. The clamp ammeters are incapable of detecting not only DC but also
incapable of detecting frequencies above about 60 Hz.
Andrew
were a veterinarian,
like one of the authors, it wouldn't be a big concern, because I could still
make dogs' health better.
Andrew
Serves me right for copying verbatim from an article without checking.
Apologies. Obviously it was a half-baked hatchet job in that article. I
can't locate it for now, but I definitely read it, and yes it was Foschi.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com
It does mean vet. Here's a random person from LinkedIn
Cornelia Wagner, Dr. med. vet.
Veterinarian, Certified Veterinary Acupucturist at Hawthorne Veterinary
Clinic
She's German also, like Hartman.
So yes, Hartman's a vet. Perhaps because he's vetting. Woof woof.
Andrew
- Original
I for one am going to drop this esteemed science team meme. There's another
one with a nuclear physics qualification who has several patents on coffee
machine design. This does not indicate to me that we are dealing here with the
cream of the crop.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From
Oh Lord, we are all sinners :)
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Secret wiring hypothesis [second copy?]
MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
E.g., the statement that how
These testers are not predominantly engineers. And especially they are not
predominantly electrical or electronics engineers, and this seems to me to be a
most desirable skill to have in this situation. That's unless you trust Rossi
implicitly (and if you do, you're welcome).
Andrew
Many of us are saying that. I think it's the primary criticism.
- Original Message -
From: Robert Lynn
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:00 AM
Subject: [Vo]:Why did Rossi prevent detailed measurement of the power input?
This has only just occurred to me,
What's relevant here is not
- the nuclear details
- whether the output power is adequate (it is, by an apparent factor of 10 at
minimum)
but rather
- whether the input power was measured correctly.
Just my $0.02, Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Eric Walker
To: vortex-l
For misunderstanding the context, my apologies. The Rossi stuff has the
potential for generating frustration too.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Eric Walker
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 2:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test
?
For if the device can indeed be continuously operated at zero (or indeed
negative) input power, then one has unambiguously demonstrated the production
of something from nothing, and there's no getting away from that.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
techniques.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: ECAT Drive PWM Issues
Fran, my model takes into account the rate of heat transfer out of the device
by using a parameter that simulates
be.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: ECAT Drive PWM Issues
Andrew,
My model demonstrates that a periodic waveform is required in order to keep
the ECAT within stable
at a photo of a
resistor overheating.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Andrew
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: ECAT Drive PWM Issues
Dave,
You therefore answer in the affirmative - i.e. it looks possible in principle
of steady state heat generation
(preferably controlled) when there's zero input power. If there's input power,
sceptics will point to an input fraud.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 11:09 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo
density does
this represent, such that one can label a process non-chemical?
Andrew
I'd like to see the next LENR test devised so that the possibility of fraud is
dramatically reduced.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Axil Axil
To: vortex-l
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 12:30 PM
Subject: [Vo]:web feed
I would like to see the next LENR test televised 24
- there's a photo of the cut tube and its
powder content in the report. Is it the case that Rossi disallowed analysis of
this final powder material? It would appear so, given that no such analysis
appears in the report.
Andrew
(this is a resend of a post which did not take)
- Original Message
, and that's perhaps because not one of them was a competent EE, and/or
trusted Rossi to not try and fool them. They left that barn door wide open. It
says little for their common sense, quite frankly.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent
of 3 wires, and a power factor of 0.48. If you don't think
that's fishy, then I don't know what to tell you. To me, it stinks.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:web feed
Andrew
Why do you think a three wire plus ground feed was used? What's wrong with
simple power + ground?
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Jones Beene
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 2:48 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:possible error in power-in calculation in Levi et al
So is the mains used from the wall plug 3-phase or normal 2-phase?
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Alan Goldwater
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:possible error in power-in calculation in Levi et al paper
One other
. What is worse,
they appear not to have been aware of it, since it finds no mention in the
report. Elephant in the room syndrome, quite likely.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Rich Murray
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com ; Rich Murray ; Joshua Cude
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 9:54 PM
, they CANNOT SEE THE RABBIT !
They have been taine to see the duck, and the rabbit is not allowed in their
brain.
2013/5/26 Andrew andrew...@att.net
The bottom line is that currently there is no way to deny the thesis that
all the output power derives from the input power. The due diligence
phase
for the March test). They therefore have access to that place electronically.
So in principle, they could have attached a spectrum analyser and a scope. But
they didn't, because it wasn't allowed in pulsed mode; they were only allowed
to do it in manual mode.
Andrew
- Original
Nice idea in principle, but if the power actually supplied lies outside the
frequency range of the measuring equipment, then this won't work.
Come to think of it, are there any EE's on this list except for Duncan and
myself?
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Harry Veeder
but they are not common, and look fringe for real fish.
and sure sky does not exist for real fisk. water is blue at the top, that is
what sciences has settled. and if you see something round and yellow or green
when flying it is a measurement error
2013/5/26 Andrew andrew...@att.net
The only way
is the only option, assuming other
components plugge are not destroyed immediately.
2013/5/26 Andrew andrew...@att.net
Nice idea in principle, but if the power actually supplied lies outside the
frequency range of the measuring equipment, then this won't work.
Come to think
bulb(s)?
harry
On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 4:20 AM, Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote:
Nice idea in principle, but if the power actually supplied lies outside the
frequency range of the measuring equipment, then this won't work.
Come to think of it, are there any EE's on this list except
that the testers were similarly cognitively constrained.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Harry Veeder
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 3:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The inanity of the hidden input power hypothesis
I am not an EE...i'm not even a electrician...but I
Fleischmann, I would not be nearly as concerned.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Randy Wuller
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The inanity of the hidden input power hypothesis
Andrew:
Your point is not well taken. Proof
kilometre radius will
transmit very high frequencies just fine. The skin may be thin, but the
conductance area (in the plane orthogonal to current flow) will be huge, and
it's area that matters. Also, ask yourself about how DSL works at
multi-megabits/second, too. It uses POTS telephone wires.
Andrew
Hmm. I see kilowatt levels. The input power was supposed to be 360 W on the 1st
test and 280 W (pulsed effective) on the March test. I don't have the detail
on these readouts, though. I think the manual might help with interpretation.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Sunil Shah
are
disallowed to do so - not by some fundamental law of physics, but by Rossi -
then you conclude that it is not possible to conclude anything about the
real COP value.
That's if you're an honest scientist. YMMV.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Ransom Wuller rwul...@peaknet.net
There's one thing I know we can agree upon regarding the usefulness of Rossi's
device - it would make a great toaster.
-phase mains, 3-phase control
Mar Test: 3-phase mains, 1-phase control
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Alan Goldwater a...@magicsound.us
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:possible error in power-in calculation in Levi et al paper
The report states that video was taken at 1 fps. Can the authors of the report
not publish this? At least then we can actually see the readouts.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Claudio C Fiorini
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo
; is it more
efficient to go directly to a heat engine?
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Harry Veeder
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 10:58 AM
Subject: [Vo]:Racing Towards Very Different Hydrogen Futures
Racing Towards Very Different Hydrogen Futures
Yet
Yup, the solution is to do a proper input power measurement under NDA.
Your further comment about fuses shows that I wasted my time explaining their
operation to you :(
And that's not the whole story, since there's an issue of frequency and
response time too. But that's for another day.
Andrew
This is a still from Dr. No, the very first Bond movie (1962). The irony is
inescapable.
What's crazy weird is that I was watching this very movie while the pic switch
was going on; I haven't watched it for many years. I have no idea why I decided
to pick it. Synchronicity, anyone?
Andrew
.
Hartman is my kind of guy.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 2:21 PM
Subject: [Vo]:Torbjörn Hartman describes power measurments
A Swedish correspondent sent me this link:
http://www.energikatalysatorn.se/forum
Indeed it has Dave. That's heartening.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Torbjörn Hartman describes power measurments
I assume that your opinion of the test guys has
-Energy/Nuclear-Power/Third-Party-Tests-Prove-Rossis-E-Cat-HT2-Works.html
Again, check the comments. They're cottoning on to the 60 KHz limit.
Andrew
speculation.
Hartman got the ball rolling, but there is much more that is as yet unmentioned.
If anyone here has personal contacts leading to Hartman et al, now would be a
good time to prevail upon the gentlemen's good graces.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Alan Goldwater
that the only
workable theory of possible deception is A).
Andrew
the control box temperature.
Since it's a sealed unit, and we're talking a couple hundred watts at least, it
would have to get bloody hot. There's another data point we don't have. But
you'd think they would have mentioned it.
I'm talking myself out of this, aren't I? :)
Andrew
- Original Message
, because at the power
levels being pumped in the experiment, single-phase mains is wholly adequate,
up to a few kilowatts.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: About the March test
cooling
implementation. I don't know why this is supposed to be hard. Gaming PC's of
the high-end variety use this all the time. Prompt temperature feedback to the
cooling pump is all that's needed, plus a simple PID controller. This is very
well-known technology.
Andrew
- Original Message
regulation,
which is total overkill here.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Andrew
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:52 PM
Subject: [Vo]:Re: Constant temperature Operation of ECAT?
Seems to me that if active cooling control is used as the only control input
See my follow-up on this. There's always going to be a tracking error, no
matter how sophisticated the regulation algorithm. I think the prime objective
here is not to have absolutely constant temperature per se; rather, it's to
guarantee that thermal runaway cannot occur.
Andrew
I continue to be worried about the fact that the input and output power are
measured equal in the report in the pulse ON state. One would have thought
that, if the device truly is generating its own energy, that this should not be
the case.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Andrew
Of course I'm talking exclusively about a negative feedback system!!
The positive feedback purportedly occurs internally to the device itself.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re
: Re: [Vo]: About the March test
Where does this statement appear? I suspect that you are misreading.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Andrew andrew...@att.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, May 26, 2013 8:12 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]: About the March test
I
I doubt that you can use a thermocouple as an active heating device. It's a
clever idea, though.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: leaking pen
To: vortex-l
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The dog that didn't bark. -- Clue 2
or were the heat readings
Yes, that's my take also.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The dog that didn't bark. -- Clue 2
I would bet he is blindly turning them on and off in this test. Recall
server seems stuck. resending
- Original Message -
From: Andrew
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: About the March test
p22.
Emitted PowerE-Cat HT2 = (741.3 + 17 + 58) [W] = (816.3± 2%) [W] = (816±16) [W]
(24)
Instantaneous Power
without heavy resistive loading. The problem is similar to that which
Rossi faces.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Andrew andrew...@att.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, May 26, 2013 8:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Constant temperature Operation of ECAT?
Of course I'm
duration tests.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Andrew andrew...@att.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, May 26, 2013 8:20 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]: About the March test
p22.
Emitted Power
E-Cat HT2 = (741.3 + 17 + 58) [W] = (816.3± 2%) [W] = (816±16) [W] (24
On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote:
Seems to me that if active cooling control is used as the only control
input, thus satisfying the unplug it! sceptics (and I'm one of them), then it
only has a chance of working if there is good thermal contact and good
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