Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-12 Thread mixent
In reply to Bob Higgins's message of Sat, 11 Apr 2015 18:26:17 -0600: Hi Bob, [snip] The search term I used was charged particle spectrometer. One entry that looks promising is http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0029554X7290434X The journal itself would likely also contain more

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-11 Thread mixent
In reply to Bob Higgins's message of Sat, 11 Apr 2015 08:44:20 -0600: Hi, [snip] I cannot answer all of these questions. It would be great if we had a direct line to Dr. Piantelli to ask him - perhaps we could work that out in the future. But, he is a critical resource to his funding company,

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-11 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote: So now he is in the position of having to invent, design, construct, and validate such a sensor before he can quantify these particles. His lab is not equipped to make such a sensor - its development probably requires

RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-11 Thread Roarty, Francis X
...relativistic hydrogen. Shaken not stirred... I mean warped not welled. From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 6:55 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi -Original

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-11 Thread Bob Higgins
I cannot answer all of these questions. It would be great if we had a direct line to Dr. Piantelli to ask him - perhaps we could work that out in the future. But, he is a critical resource to his funding company, Nichenergy, and his health is failing. Keep in mind that Piantelli has been

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-11 Thread Bob Higgins
Thanks Robin. Can you give me the leads you found and/or the search terms you used so I can be sure to find the ones you saw? I will follow up with additional searching. If I can find some that appear to fit with Piantelli's experiment, I will forward them to him and offer to make contact with

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-10 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 8:04 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote: This suggests that something nuclear is happening in the branch of the reaction that results in the ejection of the 6 MeV proton to supply the proton with its 6 MeV of energy. The impression I've taken away from what

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-10 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: it might be good to work backwards from known and plausible reactions; e.g., a proton being stripped off of a deuterium nucleus and hopping over to the lattice site. Sorry, that should have been a neutron being stripped off of a deuterium nucleus, which would lead to the proton that

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-10 Thread Axil Axil
I believe as follows: The magnetic fields produced by SPP solitons catalyze nuclear reactions in matter that this field falls upon. The soliton is PUMPED by heat photons. The soliton produces two kinds of magnetic photons: real and virtual. The power of the anapole magnetic field is

RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-10 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- The argument can be made that there was NEVER enough lithium present in the Lugano reactor to provide the reported net energy gain (1.5 MW-hrs) over 32 hours- even if 100% of the lithium was consumed and converted into helium. For the record - The total Lugano Fuel

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-10 Thread Axil Axil
The amount of nickel Ni62 in the fuel load doubled from some unknown combination of lighter elements. This fusion process should have released a huge amount of nuclear binding energy. It is possible that the only thing that lithium did was donate its neutron to the Nickel 58 to turn it into Nickel

RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-10 Thread Jones Beene
This is not what Cook and Rossi are now saying. They are claiming in this so-called “mainstream physics” paper, that lithium + proton fusion to helium accounts for the gain. If neutrons were involved there would be neutron activation, a widely known phenomenon - not seen at Lugano. It

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-10 Thread mixent
In reply to Bob Higgins's message of Fri, 10 Apr 2015 08:45:31 -0600: Hi, [snip] Well, Piantelli may not be saying it is a hydrino because he doesn't look at it that way. He has black box evidence that the Ni and the H- anion nuclei coalesce producing a specific set of branched outcomes, one of

RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-10 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com He calls them Hydrinohydride. The smallest is for p = 24. I.e. 24 times smaller than normal H-. For greater values of p (i.e. further shrunken), the second electron is unbound, according to his formula, so there is no Hydrinohydride for larger

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-10 Thread mixent
In reply to Bob Higgins's message of Fri, 10 Apr 2015 09:04:29 -0600: Hi, [snip] I cannot pretend to be a spokesman for Dr. Piantelli's theory. I have a couple of observations from this theory that I still cannot internally justify (from my own limited understanding of nuclear physics). The

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-10 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Fri, 10 Apr 2015 12:48:35 -0700: Hi, [snip] which is why even small pitchblende samples make the Geiger counter go wild. Try putting a sheet of paper between the Geiger counter and the pitchblende. I think you will find that it makes a huge difference. Most

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-10 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Fri, 10 Apr 2015 13:53:13 -0700: Hi, [snip] If neutrons were involved there would be neutron activation, a widely known phenomenon - not seen at Lugano. [snip] Indeed, the reaction: Al27 + Li7 = Al28 + Li6 + 0.475 MeV would produce radioactive Al28 with a

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-10 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Fri, 10 Apr 2015 15:54:53 -0700: Hi, [snip] -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com He calls them Hydrinohydride. The smallest is for p = 24. I.e. 24 times smaller than normal H-. For greater values of p (i.e. further shrunken), the second

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-10 Thread torulf.greek
Some pitchblende contains radium how emits gammas. On Sat, 11 Apr 2015 09:31:35 +1000, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Jones Beene's message of Fri, 10 Apr 2015 12:48:35 -0700: Hi, [snip] which is why even small pitchblende samples make the Geiger counter go wild. Try putting a

RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-10 Thread Jones Beene
A sheet of paper makes no difference whatsoever. A sheet of aluminum foil doesn't make much difference but a nickel coin blocks most of this small sample. The Gamma Scout is picking up x-rays which are not stopped by paper (even though alpha particles themselves would be). However, to be fair - a

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-09 Thread Bob Higgins
In follow-up hypothetical analysis of the Lugano measurements, consider this. Look at what it means for the ICP-MS assay of the fuel to have 94.1% 7Li and 5.9% 6Li. With 100mg of LiAlH4 fuel source, the fuel source had 17.2mg of 7Li and 1.08mg of 6Li. If one *presumes* that 6Li is not being

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-09 Thread Daniel Rocha
Hi Bob, I have a different interpretation of what happens. Maybe this will be useful for you: The idea is simple. What is the easiest way to make small clusters of atoms? Use the analogy with water vapor. Heat, say, Ni or Pd. Very small clusters have its shape determined by the boundary, just

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-09 Thread mixent
In reply to Bob Higgins's message of Wed, 8 Apr 2015 10:12:11 -0600: Hi, [snip] The ICP-MS analysis is a full volume analysis and showed both Li isotopes near equal in percentage in the ash. Just a thought: If the Li was acting as a nuclear catalyst, shuttling back and forth between Li6-Li7,

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-09 Thread Bob Cook
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2015 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi In follow-up hypothetical analysis of the Lugano measurements, consider this. Look at what it means for the ICP-MS assay of the fuel

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-09 Thread Bob Cook
, 2015 1:45 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi In reply to Bob Cook's message of Tue, 7 Apr 2015 22:57:00 -0700: Hi, Eric-- One additional idea. What we have been considering is the formation of 8Be and its decay into two alpha particles

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-09 Thread Alain Sepeda
maybe is it intepreted from the budget that Elforsk allocated for those tests... 230k (eur) per year 2013 and 2014 as far as I remember. more precisely Budget ECAT 2012 200 kkr, 2013-2015 2000 kkr/year. I imagine that even if fully given for the team, it goes to their university/lab? 2015-04-09

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-09 Thread Axil Axil
:* Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Thursday, April 09, 2015 8:09 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi In follow-up hypothetical analysis of the Lugano measurements, consider this. Look at what it means

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-09 Thread Bob Cook
: Thursday, April 09, 2015 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 7 Apr 2015 12:24:18 -0700: Hi, [snip] The Li nucleus becomes excited, but it cannot simply convert directly to beryllium without

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-09 Thread Bob Cook
...@bigpond.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2015 1:45 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi In reply to Bob Cook's message of Tue, 7 Apr 2015 22:57:00 -0700: Hi, Eric-- One additional idea. What we have been considering

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-09 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 7 Apr 2015 12:24:18 -0700: Hi, [snip] The Li nucleus becomes excited, but it cannot simply convert directly to beryllium without an energetic emission to compensate for the kinetic energy which caused the fusion. All p+Li7 reactions that have been

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-09 Thread Bob Higgins
Piantelli's theory says that H- anions are responsible for the Ni-H LENR reaction. According to his theory, the H- anion, as a composite fermion, enters the Ni atom much as would a muon. Somehow (and Piantelli doesn't say how) the large H- anion must become a compact negatively charged object

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-09 Thread Bob Higgins
It would not be fair to criticize the Lugano team for not measuring the gas in their experiment. Rossi lent them a reactor that was not designed for sampling the product gas. After the experiment, the seal had to be broken open (there are various descriptions of how this happened). To have

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-09 Thread mixent
In reply to Bob Cook's message of Tue, 7 Apr 2015 22:57:00 -0700: Hi, Eric-- One additional idea. What we have been considering is the formation of 8Be and its decay into two alpha particles with only spin energy involved. As I have suggested before, two anti-parallel spin He* particles may

RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-09 Thread Jones Beene
From: torulf.gr...@bredband.net May be of interest. https://fys.kuleuven.be/iks/ns/files/thesis/raabephdthesis.pdf - This is a provocative paper on the He-6 halo nucleus. The spin energy of the halo is found in the 500 keV range. Maybe that is why

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-09 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 8 Apr 2015 11:07:16 -0700: Hi, Li7 may give up a neutron to become Li6. If Li6 also gives up a neutron, it would become Li5 which immediately decays into He4 plus a proton. Surprise, surprise. Fresh on the heels of a paper which suggests that

RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-09 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Higgins Ø To have measured the gas left in the reactor at the end, the whole reactor would have to be placed in a large ulta-high vacuum system with mechanical feedthru attachments designed to break the seal on the reactor while inside the UHV. No way. Hot tapping machines

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-09 Thread Bob Higgins
they were all consumed in the subsequent LENR reaction. That seems unlikely to me. Bob Cook - Original Message - *From:* Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Thursday, April 09, 2015 8:09 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-08 Thread Bob Cook
one. Bob - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi I don't get it. 8Be has zero nuclear spin and 4He has zero

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-08 Thread Bob Cook
To: vortex-l Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi isospin is a product of the strong force and of the quarks inside the protons and neutrons. It is fixed no matter how the atoms spins. An atom might

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-08 Thread Bob Higgins
Jones, What is your evidence for your statement: The Lugano isotope data, even if it could be believed, completely negates the entire scenario since Li-7 is NOT depleted according to the Lugano report - but instead is converted to Li-6. What I drew from the report was the only thing that can

RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-08 Thread Jones Beene
Bob, Axil is correct in that the Be-8 and He-4 cannot project large spin energy transfer. It does not help that spin can be anti-parallel when it is based on 0 spin particles to begin with (they would not decay if that was the case) … however… There is an interesting isotope of helium,

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-08 Thread Axil Axil
In the one example in which we have a full accounting of the element percentage in the fuel and also as transmuted in the ash is the DGT transmutation assay provided in the ICCF-17 paper. In that assay, there was a large percentage increase in light elements including lithium, beryllium, and

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-08 Thread Bob Cook
as well as energy.) Bob Cook - Original Message - From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 10:51 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi From: Bob Higgins Jones, What is your

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-08 Thread Bob Cook
]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi Surprise, surprise. Fresh on the heels of a paper which suggests that lots of helium should have been found, Rossi suddenly reveals that yes, we found it but are just now taking the opportunity to reveal that we

RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-08 Thread Jones Beene
Surprise, surprise. Fresh on the heels of a paper which suggests that lots of helium should have been found, Rossi suddenly reveals that yes, we found it but are just now taking the opportunity to reveal that we found it.

RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-08 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Higgins Jones, What is your evidence for your statement: The Lugano isotope data, even if it could be believed, completely negates the entire scenario since Li-7 is NOT depleted according to the Lugano report - but instead is converted to Li-6. First of all, there is a

RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-08 Thread torulf.greek
May be of interest. https://fys.kuleuven.be/iks/ns/files/thesis/raabephdthesis.pdf On Wed, 8 Apr 2015 10:51:24 -0700, Jones Beene wrote: FROM: Bob Higgins Jones, What is your evidence for your statement: The Lugano isotope data, even if it could be believed, completely negates the

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-08 Thread torulf.greek
. (It should involve the conservation of angular momentum as well as energy.) Bob Cook - Original Message - FROM: Jones Beene [1] TO: vortex-l@eskimo.com [2] SENT: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 10:51 AM SUBJECT: RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-08 Thread Bob Higgins
Jones, we DO know that there is a large imbalance in the distribution of 7Li in the ash. Look at the difference between the SIMS results which provide isotopic analysis of the material near the surface, and the results of ICP-MS which is a bulk analysis of the particle. The surface shows change

RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-08 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Cook I am not surprised that He has not been reported from the Lugano E-Cat test heretofore. Bob – As someone who is dedicated to seeking answers to the most important problem facing society in the coming decades – how to get off of addiction to fossil fuel - you should be

RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-08 Thread Jones Beene
Blaze- Disregard previous numbers. I’ll try to calculate the internal pressure at day 30 another way. The point remains that if lithium fusion is responsible for the gain, lots of helium needs to have been produced and the reactor probably could not have tolerated the pressure. From:

RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-08 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Higgins Jones, we DO know that there is a large imbalance in the distribution of 7Li in the ash. I agree with that – as far as it goes. The problem is that the imbalance is entirely consistent with having mixed pure Li-6 isotope with LAH containing the natural ratio

RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-08 Thread Jones Beene
Well on second look, at day 32, the internal helium pressure at 1200 C is about 2000 psi if indeed the Lugano excess heat calculation was correct (it wasn’t) which could arguably have been tolerated by the reactor. About 0.03 moles of helium would have been produced at 8 MeV per atom to give

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-08 Thread Eric Walker
Hi, On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Levi and his team were reportedly paid half a million bucks ... Do you have a source for this that goes into more detail? Eric

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-08 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Jones, it is possible that helium was observed and was originally discounted as error. That happens. On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Surprise, surprise. Fresh on the heels of a paper which suggests that lots of helium should have been found, Rossi

RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-08 Thread Jones Beene
From: Blaze Spinnaker Ø Jones, it is possible that helium was observed and was originally discounted as error. That happens. Not when this much claimed energy has been seen. Think about the implications. The Lugano experiment supposedly generated 2 kW excess for 30+ days. This is

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-08 Thread Terry Blanton
Amazing that some folks have no trouble accepting 16 MeV is the source of LENR energy but quickly discount that 500 keV of spin energy can impart linear momentum due to centripetal disruption of weakly bound particles. -Spin Cartel

RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Roarty, Francis X
I would be surprised if the paths outlined in their paper were not already suggested here on vortex since… according to Rossi we only sit back and make countless guesses without ever studying or investing in actual experiment … I think he is feeling the heat on his toes now and casting

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Daniel Rocha
Cook's theory is good, indeed, It would be wonderful if Cook's theory was mainstream. But it isn't, even though he is fighting for it for 4 decades...

RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Jones Beene
physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi I would be surprised if the paths outlined in their paper were not already suggested here on vortex since… according to Rossi we only sit back and make countless guesses without ever studying or investing in actual experiment … I think he

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Bob Cook
Peter-- Thanks for the heads up on the Cook-Rossi paper. The most important observation IMHO is the caption for Figure 5, specifically, ...two alpha particles (D), which are released with 17 MeV of angular momentum, but without gamma radiation. The smoking gun is the huge energy of the

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Frank Znidarsic
: RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi I would be surprised if the paths outlined in their paper were not already suggested here on vortex since… according to Rossi we only sit back and make countless guesses without ever studying or investing

RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Jones Beene
of sound within the nuclear structure. Frank Znidarsic -Original Message- From: Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Apr 7, 2015 6:38 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi I would

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Bob Cook
...@lmco.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Apr 7, 2015 6:38 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi I would be surprised if the paths outlined in their paper were not already suggested here on vortex since… according to Rossi we only sit

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Bob Cook
and transfers its excess energy via spin coupling, one spin quanta or so at a time. Bob Cook - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi Like so many

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread a.ashfield
Bob Cook, Could that possibly explain the high magnetic field reported by the discredited DGT experiments, or was that discredited too?

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Axil Axil
Like so many LENR theories, the Cook theory of the LENR reaction is not fundamental. Like almost all other LENR theories, it deals with the emergent results of the fundamental LENR reaction without explaining the cause of the observed experimental results. If a theory cannot explain EVERY aspect

RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Jones Beene
to compute the velocity of sound within the nuclear structure. Frank Znidarsic -Original Message- From: Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Apr 7, 2015 6:38 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Bob Cook
Message - From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 9:41 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi Bob, There are other silly errors besides the confusion over nitrogen. Any paper, even a preprint

RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread a.ashfield
Jones Beene writes. this paper is cannot be taken seriously. A waste of time. I wish you wouldn't just damn the paper out of hand but give some reasons of just why it is wrong. I don't have the knowledge of nuclear reactions that some others do here, but most of the theories seem far from

RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Jones Beene
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 9:41 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi Bob, There are other silly errors besides the confusion over nitrogen. Any paper, even a preprint, can be understandable and yet meaningless – when

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Axil Axil
In my understanding about the LENR process, I have borrowed Dr. Kims idea about the Bosenova as the way that the energy contents of the soliton is recycled back into the thermal invirnment of the reactor. After the bosenova explodes, the electrons and the soft x-rays and XUV are decoupled

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Axil Axil
or so at a time. Bob Cook - Original Message - *From:* Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Tuesday, April 07, 2015 8:57 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi Like so many LENR theories

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Bob Cook
to the rest of the particles in the locale (coherent system), including the electrons. Bob - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi Figure 5

RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread a.ashfield
Jones Beene, You are deliberately misleading about Rossi getting his degree on-line. He got his PhD from Milan University. He did take an on-line course in chemical engineering later, in order to learn about that. Seems to be a reasonable thing to do. You make much of the lack of theory

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Bob Cook
which was not understood at the time the miracle was noted. Bob - Original Message - From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 1:14 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi From: Bob Cook

RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Cook Note that the paper says the energy is angular momentum not kinetic energy of the alphas. Angular momentum energy is spin energy. The alphas move away with essentially no kinetic energy normally associated with non-solid state or non-coherent systems Bob, But

RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Jones Beene
energy via spin coupling, one spin quanta or so at a time. Bob Cook - Original Message - From: Axil Axil mailto:janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Bob Cook
Subject: RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi Here is where Norman Cook and Rossi demonstrate a basic lack of understanding of nuclear physics. To be precise – as mentioned before, two alpha particles released from Be decay are indeed gamma free

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Daniel Rocha
The gamma from Be8 is weak, only 46 KeV.

RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Charles Francis
In Italy the title ‘Dr’ does not imply a PhD or medical degree, but only a basic (undergraduate) degree. From: a.ashfield [mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net] Sent: 07 April 2015 22:20 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Axil Axil
:* *Axil Axil* janap...@gmail.com *To:* *vortex-l* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Tuesday, April 07, 2015 8:57 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi Like so many LENR theories, the Cook theory of the LENR reaction is not fundamental. Like

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Bob Cook
of the ideas Cook and Rossi have presented. Bob Cook (no relation to N. Cook) - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi I wanted to show

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Axil Axil
in the locale (coherent system), including the electrons. Bob - Original Message - *From:* Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:52 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread a.ashfield
Charles Francis http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22Charles+Francis%22 Tue, 07 Apr 2015 14:00:04 -0700 http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=date:20150407 In Italy the title ‘Dr’ does not imply a PhD or medical degree, but only a basic

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Axil Axil
https://mospace.umsystem.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10355/36817/SimulationNuclearTransmutationPresentation.pdf?sequence=2 Simulation of the Nuclear Transmutation Effects in LENR ... the presentation form ICCF-18 Cook states as follows: Interestingly, Ni61 was not strongly depleted– apparently

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Eric Walker
Hi Bob, The possibility you've been drawing attention to, that the result of the decay of the [8Be]* compound nucleus into two 4He nuclei with little linear momentum and a great deal of angular momentum makes for an interesting thought experiment. Out of curiosity, I calculated the energy that

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Axil Axil
I don't get it. 8Be has zero nuclear spin and 4He has zero nuclear spin. How can a nuclear reaction involving them have huge annular momentum? On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 12:28 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Bob, The possibility you've been drawing attention to, that the result

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Axil Axil
The isospin in a nuclear reaction is conserved. The quantum law is called the conservation of isospin. On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 1:16 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I don't get it. 8Be has zero nuclear spin and 4He has zero nuclear spin. How can a nuclear reaction involving them have

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Bob Cook
Message - From: Eric Walker To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi Hi Bob, The possibility you've been drawing attention to, that the result of the decay of the [8Be

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Bob Cook
physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi I don't get it. 8Be has zero nuclear spin and 4He has zero nuclear spin. How can a nuclear reaction involving them have huge annular momentum? On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 12:28 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Bob

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Axil Axil
...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:16 PM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi I don't get it. 8Be has zero nuclear spin and 4He has zero nuclear spin. How can a nuclear reaction involving them have

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Bob Cook
with the decay of the 8Be nucleus. The two LENR processes would be similar in this regard. Bob - Original Message - From: Eric Walker To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea

Re: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 10:34 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: Also I do not know of any reason that He* could not happen with each new He* spinning in opposite direction with respect to a magnetic field and slow down incrementally with angular momentum distributed to the coherent