Re: [WAMUG} Time Machine Backup - post Big Sur and full backup drive

[Peter Crisp]

Hi Ronni, thanks for that, I think I read this some years ago and will
use this when I do at some point go for a larger TM backup disc. Late
yesterday I looked at the status and it had in fact moved to the
backing up phase - so it had purged sufficient space from old backups
to permit the new backup to run. When I glanced at it, it had backed
up ~30GB of 230GB - so it is a substantial backup resulting from the
MS Office update and the Big Sur update combined. 
This confirms my confidence in TM as patience is important. When it
says it is doing something - it probably is doing something and to
leave it be to allow it to complete what it is doing. Around the time
of my earlier email here, I thought it might accelerate the process if
I plugged in my ethernet connection to the Time Capsule directly as
WiFi would probably have been slower than with an ethernet connection.
I watched the Network connection panel as I connected the ethernet and
it did connect so I assume the data processes between the MBP and the
TM backup disc (a 2TB portable drive attached via hub to the USB of
the TC). 

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp

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drive

 Hi Peter,Have a read of my Tutorial 
http://www.ronnibrown.net/tutorials/migrate-to-a-larger-time/index.html
[1]

Kind Regards,

Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 

On 12 Apr 2021, at 12:31 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:

Hi folks, during last week following my plunge into getting my MS
Office 365 subscription in order - which was an inhibitor for moving
to Big Sur (as my MS Office 2011 was not compatible with Big Sur) - I
then have done the Big Sur update. I am pretty happy with it and no
gotchas for me yet with anything.
However, during all these significant updates I turn off my TM backup
so I can manage the timing for when the next TM Backup takes place -
as I knew it would be a substantial backup. So on Sunday morning I
turned it on, whereupon it goes searching for the drive - found no
problem, then “Preparing Backup” this took a number of hours, then
it starts the process of “Freeing space” as my 2TB backup drive
(dedicated to my Macbook) is full. No problem, this has been the case
for the last few months and while it has taken some time to purge the
oldest backups to make space for the new backup, I thought it will
take a good deal of time. But this has been 24 hours+ now. Does anyone
else have this same set of circumstances I have and timing. I am
inclined to allow it to continue like this for days if needed as it
doesn’t really bother me. Keen to hear others experiences or could
this be in an endless Big Sur loop I need to intervene?
Pete.

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Re: [WAMUG} Time Machine Backup - post Big Sur and full backup drive

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Peter,
Have a read of my Tutorial 

http://www.ronnibrown.net/tutorials/migrate-to-a-larger-time/index.html

Kind Regards,
Ronni

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> On 12 Apr 2021, at 12:31 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks, during last week following my plunge into getting my MS Office 365 
> subscription in order - which was an inhibitor for moving to Big Sur (as my 
> MS Office 2011 was not compatible with Big Sur) - I then have done the Big 
> Sur update. I am pretty happy with it and no gotchas for me yet with anything.
> 
> However, during all these significant updates I turn off my TM backup so I 
> can manage the timing for when the next TM Backup takes place - as I knew it 
> would be a substantial backup. So on Sunday morning I turned it on, whereupon 
> it goes searching for the drive - found no problem, then “Preparing Backup” 
> this took a number of hours, then it starts the process of “Freeing space” as 
> my 2TB backup drive (dedicated to my Macbook) is full. No problem, this has 
> been the case for the last few months and while it has taken some time to 
> purge the oldest backups to make space for the new backup, I thought it will 
> take a good deal of time. But this has been 24 hours+ now. Does anyone else 
> have this same set of circumstances I have and timing. I am inclined to allow 
> it to continue like this for days if needed as it doesn’t really bother me. 
> Keen to hear others experiences or could this be in an endless Big Sur loop I 
> need to intervene?
> 
> Pete.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[WAMUG} Time Machine Backup - post Big Sur and full backup drive

[Peter Crisp]

Hi folks, during last week following my plunge into getting my MS Office 365 
subscription in order - which was an inhibitor for moving to Big Sur (as my MS 
Office 2011 was not compatible with Big Sur) - I then have done the Big Sur 
update. I am pretty happy with it and no gotchas for me yet with anything.

However, during all these significant updates I turn off my TM backup so I can 
manage the timing for when the next TM Backup takes place - as I knew it would 
be a substantial backup. So on Sunday morning I turned it on, whereupon it goes 
searching for the drive - found no problem, then “Preparing Backup” this took a 
number of hours, then it starts the process of “Freeing space” as my 2TB backup 
drive (dedicated to my Macbook) is full. No problem, this has been the case for 
the last few months and while it has taken some time to purge the oldest 
backups to make space for the new backup, I thought it will take a good deal of 
time. But this has been 24 hours+ now. Does anyone else have this same set of 
circumstances I have and timing. I am inclined to allow it to continue like 
this for days if needed as it doesn’t really bother me. Keen to hear others 
experiences or could this be in an endless Big Sur loop I need to intervene?

Pete.



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Re: Time Machine backup content

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Peter,

I had forgotten that when I was using Time Machine to backup on my old 17-inch 
MacBook Pro I also used Timetracker to display the contents of Time Machine 
backups and found it very good.
I think I stopped using Timetracker when I upgraded the OS and Timetracker 
wasn’t compatible. 

Kind Regards,
Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


> On 16 Jun 2020, at 8:25 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni, sorry for taking so long to respond to your kind note. Last night 
> (with "backupd" in the search window) I had a look and made sure "All 
> Messages" (top left) was selected and "Macbook Pro" was selected in the 
> devices panel. I see a range of line items in the main panel which provides 
> information which I cannot interpret what it is actually saying. It is in 
> 'computer speak' but notwithstanding that, with Timetracker, I have been able 
> to see exactly what content (and how many MB for each component part of it) 
> was included in these backups.
> 
> So much stuff being backed up for seemingly no good reason, but then I am 
> sure it is only doing what it has been programmed to do. Invaluable to 
> recover from a HDD loss (which I have had once). 
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> 
> Peter Crisp
> 
> 
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> From:
> wamug@wamug.org.au
> 
> To:
> 
> Cc:
> 
> Sent:
> Wed, 10 Jun 2020 19:03:11 +0800
> Subject:
> Re: Time Machine backup content
> 
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Do you have “All Messages” selected under the log database in the left column?
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Ronni
> 
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
> 
> On 10 Jun 2020, at 12:22 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that Ronni. I had a look in there using Console on my wifes MBP 
> (2011) and when I type in "backupd" i get a blank panel on the right side. 
> Does it depend on the selection on the left side panel?
> 
> I also went looking for the application I was thinking of and I found it (on 
> my MBP). It is called TimeTracker. A third party app. I used it many years 
> ago from similar curiosities about huge backups happening with little or no 
> activity on the MBP. 
> 
> https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/36691/timetracker
> 
> I don't have this on my wifes MBP so when I get time I'll install and have a 
> look at the backup content report. 
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> 
> Peter Crisp
> 
> 
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> From:
> wamug@wamug.org.au
> 
> To:
> "WAMUG" 
> Cc:
> 
> Sent:
> Wed, 10 Jun 2020 11:53:54 +0800
> Subject:
> Re: Time Machine backup content
> 
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Everything that Time Machine does is logged to the system log, so it is 
> possible to get more detailed reports on its activities. 
> Open Console in Applications/Utilities
> To find the activity for Time Machine, you only need to know that the Time 
> Machine process is called backupd. 
> Click in the search box at the top right of the window (or just press 
> Command-Option-F), then type backupd as you type, Console will filter the 
> results to only show those entries related to the backupd process. 
> 
> The filtered output results are shown in three columns and it’s the Message 
> column that’s most useful. The messages reveal how much data was backed up, 
> what older backups were removed, and other general information about the 
> backup run.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Ronni
> 
> 
> On 10 Jun 2020, at 9:32 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks, I did a search in the WAMUG archives and couldn't find the thread 
> which shows how to interrogate the actual backed up content for each hourly 
> backup for TM. 
> 
> Reason I ask is that I am bringing my wifes TM backup up to date as it had 
> been manually stopped for a short period, then forgotten about (a few 
> months!!!) and now back in business. So yesterday I set it off again (used 
> the Ethernet connection as I knew it would be a large backup). She also had 
> clear out a LOT of photos off her iphone which meant it would be huge. So 
> yesterday it set off (75GB) and by this morning it was finished. I've been 
> monitoring it through this morning and I have seen subsequent hourly backups 
> SINCE completing successfully the 75GB backup and the subsequent hourly 
> backups have been 745MB and 220MB each. There was zero activity on the MBP 
> since waking it this morning.
> 
> Why would there be subsequent backups of such size with no specific activity 
> on the keyboard. Obviously there is something being backed up and I'd like to 
> investigate.
> 
> How do I do this?
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> 
> Pet

Re: Time Machine backup content

[Peter Crisp]

Hi Ronni, sorry for taking so long to respond to your kind note. Last
night (with "backupd" in the search window) I had a look and made sure
"All Messages" (top left) was selected and "Macbook Pro" was selected
in the devices panel. I see a range of line items in the main panel
which provides information which I cannot interpret what it is
actually saying. It is in 'computer speak' but notwithstanding that,
with Timetracker, I have been able to see exactly what content (and
how many MB for each component part of it) was included in these
backups.
So much stuff being backed up for seemingly no good reason, but then I
am sure it is only doing what it has been programmed to do. Invaluable
to recover from a HDD loss (which I have had once). 
Kind Regards

Peter Crisp

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From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:
Cc:
Sent:Wed, 10 Jun 2020 19:03:11 +0800
Subject:Re: Time Machine backup content

 Hi Peter,
Do you have “All Messages” selected under the log database in the
left column?

Kind Regards,

Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 

On 10 Jun 2020, at 12:22 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:

Thanks for that Ronni. I had a look in there using Console on my
wifes MBP (2011) and when I type in "backupd" i get a blank panel on
the right side. Does it depend on the selection on the left side
panel?
I also went looking for the application I was thinking of and I found
it (on my MBP). It is called TimeTracker. A third party app. I used it
many years ago from similar curiosities about huge backups happening
with little or no activity on the MBP. 
https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/36691/timetracker [1]
I don't have this on my wifes MBP so when I get time I'll install and
have a look at the backup content report. 

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp

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To:"WAMUG" 
Cc:
Sent:Wed, 10 Jun 2020 11:53:54 +0800
Subject:Re: Time Machine backup content

Hi Peter,
Everything that Time Machine does is logged to the system log, so it
is possible to get more detailed reports on its activities. Open
Console in Applications/Utilities
To find the activity for Time Machine, you only need to know that the
Time Machine process is called backupd. Click in the search box at
the top right of the window (or just press Command-Option-F),
then type backupd as you type, Console will filter the results to
only show those entries related to the backupd process. 
The filtered output results are shown in three columns and it’s the
Message column that’s most useful. The messages reveal how much data
was backed up, what older backups were removed, and other general
information about the backup run.
Kind regards,
Ronni

On 10 Jun 2020, at 9:32 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
Hi folks, I did a search in the WAMUG archives and couldn't find the
thread which shows how to interrogate the actual backed up content for
each hourly backup for TM. 
Reason I ask is that I am bringing my wifes TM backup up to date as it
had been manually stopped for a short period, then forgotten about (a
few months!!!) and now back in business. So yesterday I set it off
again (used the Ethernet connection as I knew it would be a large
backup). She also had clear out a LOT of photos off her iphone which
meant it would be huge. So yesterday it set off (75GB) and by this
morning it was finished. I've been monitoring it through this morning
and I have seen subsequent hourly backups SINCE completing
successfully the 75GB backup and the subsequent hourly backups have
been 745MB and 220MB each. There was zero activity on the MBP since
waking it this morning.
Why would there be subsequent backups of such size with no specific
activity on the keyboard. Obviously there is something being backed up
and I'd like to investigate.
How do I do this?

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp
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Re: Time Machine backup content

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Peter,

Do you have “All Messages” selected under the log database in the left column?

Kind Regards,
Ronni

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> On 10 Jun 2020, at 12:22 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that Ronni. I had a look in there using Console on my wifes MBP 
> (2011) and when I type in "backupd" i get a blank panel on the right side. 
> Does it depend on the selection on the left side panel?
> 
> I also went looking for the application I was thinking of and I found it (on 
> my MBP). It is called TimeTracker. A third party app. I used it many years 
> ago from similar curiosities about huge backups happening with little or no 
> activity on the MBP. 
> 
> https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/36691/timetracker
> 
> I don't have this on my wifes MBP so when I get time I'll install and have a 
> look at the backup content report. 
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> 
> Peter Crisp
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From:
> wamug@wamug.org.au
> 
> To:
> "WAMUG" 
> Cc:
> 
> Sent:
> Wed, 10 Jun 2020 11:53:54 +0800
> Subject:
> Re: Time Machine backup content
> 
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Everything that Time Machine does is logged to the system log, so it is 
> possible to get more detailed reports on its activities. 
> Open Console in Applications/Utilities
> To find the activity for Time Machine, you only need to know that the Time 
> Machine process is called backupd. 
> Click in the search box at the top right of the window (or just press 
> Command-Option-F), then type backupd as you type, Console will filter the 
> results to only show those entries related to the backupd process. 
> 
> The filtered output results are shown in three columns and it’s the Message 
> column that’s most useful. The messages reveal how much data was backed up, 
> what older backups were removed, and other general information about the 
> backup run.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Ronni
> 
> 
> On 10 Jun 2020, at 9:32 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks, I did a search in the WAMUG archives and couldn't find the thread 
> which shows how to interrogate the actual backed up content for each hourly 
> backup for TM. 
> 
> Reason I ask is that I am bringing my wifes TM backup up to date as it had 
> been manually stopped for a short period, then forgotten about (a few 
> months!!!) and now back in business. So yesterday I set it off again (used 
> the Ethernet connection as I knew it would be a large backup). She also had 
> clear out a LOT of photos off her iphone which meant it would be huge. So 
> yesterday it set off (75GB) and by this morning it was finished. I've been 
> monitoring it through this morning and I have seen subsequent hourly backups 
> SINCE completing successfully the 75GB backup and the subsequent hourly 
> backups have been 745MB and 220MB each. There was zero activity on the MBP 
> since waking it this morning.
> 
> Why would there be subsequent backups of such size with no specific activity 
> on the keyboard. Obviously there is something being backed up and I'd like to 
> investigate.
> 
> How do I do this?
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> 
> Peter Crisp
> 
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Re: Time Machine backup content

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Peter,

Everything that Time Machine does is logged to the system log, so it is 
possible to get more detailed reports on its activities. 
Open Console in Applications/Utilities
To find the activity for Time Machine, you only need to know that the Time 
Machine process is called backupd. 
Click in the search box at the top right of the window (or just press 
Command-Option-F), then type backupd as you type, Console will filter the 
results to only show those entries related to the backupd process. 

The filtered output results are shown in three columns and it’s the Message 
column that’s most useful. The messages reveal how much data was backed up, 
what older backups were removed, and other general information about the backup 
run.

Kind regards,

Ronni


> On 10 Jun 2020, at 9:32 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks, I did a search in the WAMUG archives and couldn't find the thread 
> which shows how to interrogate the actual backed up content for each hourly 
> backup for TM. 
> 
> Reason I ask is that I am bringing my wifes TM backup up to date as it had 
> been manually stopped for a short period, then forgotten about (a few 
> months!!!) and now back in business. So yesterday I set it off again (used 
> the Ethernet connection as I knew it would be a large backup). She also had 
> clear out a LOT of photos off her iphone which meant it would be huge. So 
> yesterday it set off (75GB) and by this morning it was finished. I've been 
> monitoring it through this morning and I have seen subsequent hourly backups 
> SINCE completing successfully the 75GB backup and the subsequent hourly 
> backups have been 745MB and 220MB each. There was zero activity on the MBP 
> since waking it this morning.
> 
> Why would there be subsequent backups of such size with no specific activity 
> on the keyboard. Obviously there is something being backed up and I'd like to 
> investigate.
> 
> How do I do this?
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> 
> Peter Crisp
> 
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Cheers,
Ronni

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Re: Time Machine backup content

[Peter Crisp]

Thanks for that Ronni. I had a look in there using Console on my wifes
MBP (2011) and when I type in "backupd" i get a blank panel on the
right side. Does it depend on the selection on the left side panel?
I also went looking for the application I was thinking of and I found
it (on my MBP). It is called TimeTracker. A third party app. I used it
many years ago from similar curiosities about huge backups happening
with little or no activity on the MBP. 
https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/36691/timetracker [1]
I don't have this on my wifes MBP so when I get time I'll install and
have a look at the backup content report. 

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp

- Original Message -
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To:"WAMUG" 
Cc:
Sent:Wed, 10 Jun 2020 11:53:54 +0800
Subject:Re: Time Machine backup content

Hi Peter,
Everything that Time Machine does is logged to the system log, so it
is possible to get more detailed reports on its activities. Open
Console in Applications/Utilities
To find the activity for Time Machine, you only need to know that the
Time Machine process is called backupd. Click in the search box at
the top right of the window (or just press Command-Option-F),
then type backupd as you type, Console will filter the results to
only show those entries related to the backupd process. 
The filtered output results are shown in three columns and it’s the
Message column that’s most useful. The messages reveal how much data
was backed up, what older backups were removed, and other general
information about the backup run.
Kind regards,
Ronni

On 10 Jun 2020, at 9:32 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
Hi folks, I did a search in the WAMUG archives and couldn't find the
thread which shows how to interrogate the actual backed up content for
each hourly backup for TM. 
Reason I ask is that I am bringing my wifes TM backup up to date as it
had been manually stopped for a short period, then forgotten about (a
few months!!!) and now back in business. So yesterday I set it off
again (used the Ethernet connection as I knew it would be a large
backup). She also had clear out a LOT of photos off her iphone which
meant it would be huge. So yesterday it set off (75GB) and by this
morning it was finished. I've been monitoring it through this morning
and I have seen subsequent hourly backups SINCE completing
successfully the 75GB backup and the subsequent hourly backups have
been 745MB and 220MB each. There was zero activity on the MBP since
waking it this morning.
Why would there be subsequent backups of such size with no specific
activity on the keyboard. Obviously there is something being backed up
and I'd like to investigate.
How do I do this?

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp
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LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
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Time Machine backup content

[Peter Crisp]

Hi folks, I did a search in the WAMUG archives and couldn't find the
thread which shows how to interrogate the actual backed up content for
each hourly backup for TM. 
Reason I ask is that I am bringing my wifes TM backup up to date as it
had been manually stopped for a short period, then forgotten about (a
few months!!!) and now back in business. So yesterday I set it off
again (used the Ethernet connection as I knew it would be a large
backup). She also had clear out a LOT of photos off her iphone which
meant it would be huge. So yesterday it set off (75GB) and by this
morning it was finished. I've been monitoring it through this morning
and I have seen subsequent hourly backups SINCE completing
successfully the 75GB backup and the subsequent hourly backups have
been 745MB and 220MB each. There was zero activity on the MBP since
waking it this morning.
Why would there be subsequent backups of such size with no specific
activity on the keyboard. Obviously there is something being backed up
and I'd like to investigate.
How do I do this?

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp

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Re: Time Machine Backup size

[Stephen Chape]

My sincere condolences Ronni.

> On 10 Feb 2019, at 3:54 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Unfortunately I’ll have to leave this post for someone else to help as I’m 
> coping with a death in my family (My dear sister in Melbourne died this 
> morning).
> ——
> By default, Time Machine does not back up external drives, but you can change 
> this.
> 
> You can ensure that external drives are backed up by following these steps:
> 
> Open the Time Machine system preference pane.
> Click the Options button.
> Select any drive in the exclusion list that you want to have Time Machine 
> include.
> Click the - (minus) button to remove it. (Repeat for additional drives.)
> Click Save.
> That’s all you have to do.
> 
> The exclusions list is confusing, because you might want to only include 
> certain parts of an external drive. There’s no built-in way to make this 
> happen. Say you wanted to back up a Movies folder on an external drive, but 
> none of the five other top-level folders. You need to add each of those other 
> top-level folders in the Exclude list by clicking the + sign and then 
> selecting them one at a time.
> 
> https://www.macworld.com/article/3153995/macs/how-to-make-sure-time-machine-backs-up-external-drives.html
>  
> <https://www.macworld.com/article/3153995/macs/how-to-make-sure-time-machine-backs-up-external-drives.html>
> 
> Kind regards,
> Ronni
> 
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
> 
> On 10 Feb 2019, at 2:40 pm, Peter Crisp  <mailto:petercr...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ronnie, this is a good little app. It takes the app a little while to 
>> retrieve the detail for each backup but eventually I was able to see what 
>> had happened very clearly. The large backup had included the new library 
>> (~2GB) and the old library as well (~400GB) plus a mobile synch back up as 
>> well. The backup of the old library as I suspected was in there but is a 
>> complete waste of space, there was nothing in it which changed (at least by 
>> me). 
>> 
>> Having now confirmed this, is there a way to delete this recent Photos 
>> library backup and hence release the space?
>> 
>> I did note also that the TimeTracker only looks into the TC internal hard 
>> disc backups and not the additional hard drives plugged into the TC USB port 
>> for extra backup space. Is this a default setting and is there a way to look 
>> into the other drives containing backups? 
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>> On 10 Feb 2019, at 12:54 pm, Ronni Brown > <mailto:ro...@mac.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Peter,
>>> 
>>> TimeTracker  0.6.2  - 04 Dec 2018
>>> 
>>> Version 0.6.2 released Dec 04, 2018
>>> 
>>> Version :
>>> Add workaround for Mojave issue resulting in permissions errors when 
>>> accessing the Time Machine preferences
>>> Remove some erroneous captions on the toolbar buttons
>>> Now notarized by Apple for Mojave
>>> 
>>> <https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/36691/timetracker/version-history 
>>> <https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/36691/timetracker/version-history>>
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
>>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
>>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
>>> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
>>> 
>>> macOS High Sierra 10.13.6
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 10 Feb 2019, at 12:24 pm, Peter Crisp >>> <mailto:petercr...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Ronni, thanks for asking this one and sorry I wasn’t a little clearer. 
>>>> The two Photos libraries are on a 1TB external drive attached to the MBP 
>>>> USB port. The two libraries are the only two files on the external drive 
>>>> (formatted OSX Extend Journaled). The TM Options panel is set to include 
>>>> the external drive in the backup of Jo’s MBP.
>>>> 
>>>> The Time Machine Backup of Jo’s MBP is located on the Time Capsule (with 
>>>> 3TB internal drive) - so not sharing location with the Photos library. 
>>>> 
>>>> For many years this has worked faultlessly with the single library on the 
>>>> external drive, all I have done is created a new Photos library alongside 
>>>> the existing Jo’s Photos library.
>>>> 
>>>> It’s a puzzle. I do remember many years ago you let the group know of an 
>>>> app or program that allowed one to look into the c

Re: Time Machine Backup size

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Peter,

Unfortunately I’ll have to leave this post for someone else to help as I’m 
coping with a death in my family (My dear sister in Melbourne died this 
morning).
——
By default, Time Machine does not back up external drives, but you can change 
this.

You can ensure that external drives are backed up by following these steps:

Open the Time Machine system preference pane.
Click the Options button.
Select any drive in the exclusion list that you want to have Time Machine 
include.
Click the - (minus) button to remove it. (Repeat for additional drives.)
Click Save.
That’s all you have to do.

The exclusions list is confusing, because you might want to only include 
certain parts of an external drive. There’s no built-in way to make this 
happen. Say you wanted to back up a Movies folder on an external drive, but 
none of the five other top-level folders. You need to add each of those other 
top-level folders in the Exclude list by clicking the + sign and then selecting 
them one at a time.

https://www.macworld.com/article/3153995/macs/how-to-make-sure-time-machine-backs-up-external-drives.html

Kind regards,
Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


> On 10 Feb 2019, at 2:40 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronnie, this is a good little app. It takes the app a little while to 
> retrieve the detail for each backup but eventually I was able to see what had 
> happened very clearly. The large backup had included the new library (~2GB) 
> and the old library as well (~400GB) plus a mobile synch back up as well. The 
> backup of the old library as I suspected was in there but is a complete waste 
> of space, there was nothing in it which changed (at least by me). 
> 
> Having now confirmed this, is there a way to delete this recent Photos 
> library backup and hence release the space?
> 
> I did note also that the TimeTracker only looks into the TC internal hard 
> disc backups and not the additional hard drives plugged into the TC USB port 
> for extra backup space. Is this a default setting and is there a way to look 
> into the other drives containing backups? 
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> Pete
> 
>> On 10 Feb 2019, at 12:54 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> TimeTracker  0.6.2  - 04 Dec 2018
>> 
>> Version 0.6.2 released Dec 04, 2018
>> 
>> Version :
>> Add workaround for Mojave issue resulting in permissions errors when 
>> accessing the Time Machine preferences
>> Remove some erroneous captions on the toolbar buttons
>> Now notarized by Apple for Mojave
>> 
>> <https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/36691/timetracker/version-history>
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
>> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
>> 
>> macOS High Sierra 10.13.6
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10 Feb 2019, at 12:24 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ronni, thanks for asking this one and sorry I wasn’t a little clearer. 
>>> The two Photos libraries are on a 1TB external drive attached to the MBP 
>>> USB port. The two libraries are the only two files on the external drive 
>>> (formatted OSX Extend Journaled). The TM Options panel is set to include 
>>> the external drive in the backup of Jo’s MBP.
>>> 
>>> The Time Machine Backup of Jo’s MBP is located on the Time Capsule (with 
>>> 3TB internal drive) - so not sharing location with the Photos library. 
>>> 
>>> For many years this has worked faultlessly with the single library on the 
>>> external drive, all I have done is created a new Photos library alongside 
>>> the existing Jo’s Photos library.
>>> 
>>> It’s a puzzle. I do remember many years ago you let the group know of an 
>>> app or program that allowed one to look into the contents of previous 
>>> backups. If you’re able to remind me of this program, I can look into it 
>>> directly and find out what the contents of that back up last night were.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Pete
>>> 
>>>> On 10 Feb 2019, at 11:43 am, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Peter,
>>>> 
>>>> I’m not sure if I understand your Time Machine Backup of these two Photos 
>>>> Library’s?
>>>> 
>>>> WARNING: If a Photos library is located on an external drive, don’t use 
>>>> Time Machine to store a backup on that external drive. 
>>>> The permissions for your Photos library may conflict with those for the 
>>>> Time Machine backup.
>>>> 
>

Re: Time Machine Backup size

[Peter Crisp]

Hi Ronnie, this is a good little app. It takes the app a little while to 
retrieve the detail for each backup but eventually I was able to see what had 
happened very clearly. The large backup had included the new library (~2GB) and 
the old library as well (~400GB) plus a mobile synch back up as well. The 
backup of the old library as I suspected was in there but is a complete waste 
of space, there was nothing in it which changed (at least by me). 

Having now confirmed this, is there a way to delete this recent Photos library 
backup and hence release the space?

I did note also that the TimeTracker only looks into the TC internal hard disc 
backups and not the additional hard drives plugged into the TC USB port for 
extra backup space. Is this a default setting and is there a way to look into 
the other drives containing backups? 

Regards


Pete

> On 10 Feb 2019, at 12:54 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> TimeTracker  0.6.2  - 04 Dec 2018
> 
> Version 0.6.2 released Dec 04, 2018
> 
> Version :
> Add workaround for Mojave issue resulting in permissions errors when 
> accessing the Time Machine preferences
> Remove some erroneous captions on the toolbar buttons
> Now notarized by Apple for Mojave
> 
> <https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/36691/timetracker/version-history>
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
> 
> macOS High Sierra 10.13.6
> 
> 
>> On 10 Feb 2019, at 12:24 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ronni, thanks for asking this one and sorry I wasn’t a little clearer. 
>> The two Photos libraries are on a 1TB external drive attached to the MBP USB 
>> port. The two libraries are the only two files on the external drive 
>> (formatted OSX Extend Journaled). The TM Options panel is set to include the 
>> external drive in the backup of Jo’s MBP.
>> 
>> The Time Machine Backup of Jo’s MBP is located on the Time Capsule (with 3TB 
>> internal drive) - so not sharing location with the Photos library. 
>> 
>> For many years this has worked faultlessly with the single library on the 
>> external drive, all I have done is created a new Photos library alongside 
>> the existing Jo’s Photos library.
>> 
>> It’s a puzzle. I do remember many years ago you let the group know of an app 
>> or program that allowed one to look into the contents of previous backups. 
>> If you’re able to remind me of this program, I can look into it directly and 
>> find out what the contents of that back up last night were.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>>> On 10 Feb 2019, at 11:43 am, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Peter,
>>> 
>>> I’m not sure if I understand your Time Machine Backup of these two Photos 
>>> Library’s?
>>> 
>>> WARNING: If a Photos library is located on an external drive, don’t use 
>>> Time Machine to store a backup on that external drive. 
>>> The permissions for your Photos library may conflict with those for the 
>>> Time Machine backup.
>>> 
>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-au/guide/photos/back-up-the-photos-library-pht6d60d10f/mac>
>>> 
>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201517>
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
>>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
>>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
>>> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
>>> 
>>> macOS High Sierra 10.13.6
>>> 
>>>> On 10 Feb 2019, at 10:47 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> HI, during Saturday i was consolidating the photos back up for my mother 
>>>> in law (she has no computer) using my wife’s MacBook Pro. My wife has her 
>>>> Photos library on an exclusive Photos only external 1TB drive. So I 
>>>> created a second library “Carol” on the external drive to import photos 
>>>> for my mother in law alongside the existing System library (420GB) for Jo. 
>>>> This import all went very successfully but the next time a TM backup came 
>>>> around, as expected it recognised the new library (~4GB) but the backup 
>>>> was ~460GB in size. Given that the original library was unchanged and 
>>>> nothing in particular was changed on the main SSD, why would TM decide the 
>>>> entire external drive plus other material it seems, needed backing up 
>>>> again. I connected it to the Ethernet to speed this process which finished 

Re: Time Machine Backup size

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Peter,

TimeTracker  0.6.2  - 04 Dec 2018

Version 0.6.2 released Dec 04, 2018

Version :
Add workaround for Mojave issue resulting in permissions errors when accessing 
the Time Machine preferences
Remove some erroneous captions on the toolbar buttons
Now notarized by Apple for Mojave

<https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/36691/timetracker/version-history 
<https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/36691/timetracker/version-history>>

Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

macOS High Sierra 10.13.6


> On 10 Feb 2019, at 12:24 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni, thanks for asking this one and sorry I wasn’t a little clearer. The 
> two Photos libraries are on a 1TB external drive attached to the MBP USB 
> port. The two libraries are the only two files on the external drive 
> (formatted OSX Extend Journaled). The TM Options panel is set to include the 
> external drive in the backup of Jo’s MBP.
> 
> The Time Machine Backup of Jo’s MBP is located on the Time Capsule (with 3TB 
> internal drive) - so not sharing location with the Photos library. 
> 
> For many years this has worked faultlessly with the single library on the 
> external drive, all I have done is created a new Photos library alongside the 
> existing Jo’s Photos library.
> 
> It’s a puzzle. I do remember many years ago you let the group know of an app 
> or program that allowed one to look into the contents of previous backups. If 
> you’re able to remind me of this program, I can look into it directly and 
> find out what the contents of that back up last night were.
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> Pete
> 
> On 10 Feb 2019, at 11:43 am, Ronni Brown  <mailto:ro...@mac.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Hello Peter,
>> 
>> I’m not sure if I understand your Time Machine Backup of these two Photos 
>> Library’s?
>> 
>> WARNING: If a Photos library is located on an external drive, don’t use Time 
>> Machine to store a backup on that external drive. 
>> The permissions for your Photos library may conflict with those for the Time 
>> Machine backup.
>> 
>> <https://support.apple.com/en-au/guide/photos/back-up-the-photos-library-pht6d60d10f/mac
>>  
>> <https://support.apple.com/en-au/guide/photos/back-up-the-photos-library-pht6d60d10f/mac>>
>> 
>> <https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201517 
>> <https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201517>>
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
>> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
>> 
>> macOS High Sierra 10.13.6
>> 
>>> On 10 Feb 2019, at 10:47 am, Peter Crisp >> <mailto:petercr...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> HI, during Saturday i was consolidating the photos back up for my mother in 
>>> law (she has no computer) using my wife’s MacBook Pro. My wife has her 
>>> Photos library on an exclusive Photos only external 1TB drive. So I created 
>>> a second library “Carol” on the external drive to import photos for my 
>>> mother in law alongside the existing System library (420GB) for Jo. This 
>>> import all went very successfully but the next time a TM backup came 
>>> around, as expected it recognised the new library (~4GB) but the backup was 
>>> ~460GB in size. Given that the original library was unchanged and nothing 
>>> in particular was changed on the main SSD, why would TM decide the entire 
>>> external drive plus other material it seems, needed backing up again. I 
>>> connected it to the Ethernet to speed this process which finished during 
>>> the night but I am puzzled why TM decided to apparently update such a large 
>>> quantity of data. My TC 3TB drive is now down to 1.2TB remaining which is 
>>> still plenty, but has copped 455GB it didn’t need to and reduced my balance 
>>> unnecessarily. 
>>> 
>>> Any clues why this would happen and how can I undo this other than blowing 
>>> away the whole backup file and redoing a full new backup?
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Pete
>> 
>> 
>> 


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Re: Time Machine Backup size

[Peter Crisp]

Hi Ronni, thanks for asking this one and sorry I wasn’t a little clearer. The 
two Photos libraries are on a 1TB external drive attached to the MBP USB port. 
The two libraries are the only two files on the external drive (formatted OSX 
Extend Journaled). The TM Options panel is set to include the external drive in 
the backup of Jo’s MBP.

The Time Machine Backup of Jo’s MBP is located on the Time Capsule (with 3TB 
internal drive) - so not sharing location with the Photos library. 

For many years this has worked faultlessly with the single library on the 
external drive, all I have done is created a new Photos library alongside the 
existing Jo’s Photos library.

It’s a puzzle. I do remember many years ago you let the group know of an app or 
program that allowed one to look into the contents of previous backups. If 
you’re able to remind me of this program, I can look into it directly and find 
out what the contents of that back up last night were.

Regards


Pete

> On 10 Feb 2019, at 11:43 am, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hello Peter,
> 
> I’m not sure if I understand your Time Machine Backup of these two Photos 
> Library’s?
> 
> WARNING: If a Photos library is located on an external drive, don’t use Time 
> Machine to store a backup on that external drive. 
> The permissions for your Photos library may conflict with those for the Time 
> Machine backup.
> 
> <https://support.apple.com/en-au/guide/photos/back-up-the-photos-library-pht6d60d10f/mac>
> 
> <https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201517>
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
> 
> macOS High Sierra 10.13.6
> 
>> On 10 Feb 2019, at 10:47 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>> HI, during Saturday i was consolidating the photos back up for my mother in 
>> law (she has no computer) using my wife’s MacBook Pro. My wife has her 
>> Photos library on an exclusive Photos only external 1TB drive. So I created 
>> a second library “Carol” on the external drive to import photos for my 
>> mother in law alongside the existing System library (420GB) for Jo. This 
>> import all went very successfully but the next time a TM backup came around, 
>> as expected it recognised the new library (~4GB) but the backup was ~460GB 
>> in size. Given that the original library was unchanged and nothing in 
>> particular was changed on the main SSD, why would TM decide the entire 
>> external drive plus other material it seems, needed backing up again. I 
>> connected it to the Ethernet to speed this process which finished during the 
>> night but I am puzzled why TM decided to apparently update such a large 
>> quantity of data. My TC 3TB drive is now down to 1.2TB remaining which is 
>> still plenty, but has copped 455GB it didn’t need to and reduced my balance 
>> unnecessarily. 
>> 
>> Any clues why this would happen and how can I undo this other than blowing 
>> away the whole backup file and redoing a full new backup?
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> 
>> Pete
> 
> 
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Re: Time Machine Backup size

[Ronni Brown]

Hello Peter,

I’m not sure if I understand your Time Machine Backup of these two Photos 
Library’s?

WARNING: If a Photos library is located on an external drive, don’t use Time 
Machine to store a backup on that external drive. 
The permissions for your Photos library may conflict with those for the Time 
Machine backup.

<https://support.apple.com/en-au/guide/photos/back-up-the-photos-library-pht6d60d10f/mac
 
<https://support.apple.com/en-au/guide/photos/back-up-the-photos-library-pht6d60d10f/mac>>

<https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201517 
<https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201517>>

Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

macOS High Sierra 10.13.6

> On 10 Feb 2019, at 10:47 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> HI, during Saturday i was consolidating the photos back up for my mother in 
> law (she has no computer) using my wife’s MacBook Pro. My wife has her Photos 
> library on an exclusive Photos only external 1TB drive. So I created a second 
> library “Carol” on the external drive to import photos for my mother in law 
> alongside the existing System library (420GB) for Jo. This import all went 
> very successfully but the next time a TM backup came around, as expected it 
> recognised the new library (~4GB) but the backup was ~460GB in size. Given 
> that the original library was unchanged and nothing in particular was changed 
> on the main SSD, why would TM decide the entire external drive plus other 
> material it seems, needed backing up again. I connected it to the Ethernet to 
> speed this process which finished during the night but I am puzzled why TM 
> decided to apparently update such a large quantity of data. My TC 3TB drive 
> is now down to 1.2TB remaining which is still plenty, but has copped 455GB it 
> didn’t need to and reduced my balance unnecessarily. 
> 
> Any clues why this would happen and how can I undo this other than blowing 
> away the whole backup file and redoing a full new backup?
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> Pete


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Time Machine Backup size

[Peter Crisp]

HI, during Saturday i was consolidating the photos back up for my mother in law 
(she has no computer) using my wife’s MacBook Pro. My wife has her Photos 
library on an exclusive Photos only external 1TB drive. So I created a second 
library “Carol” on the external drive to import photos for my mother in law 
alongside the existing System library (420GB) for Jo. This import all went very 
successfully but the next time a TM backup came around, as expected it 
recognised the new library (~4GB) but the backup was ~460GB in size. Given that 
the original library was unchanged and nothing in particular was changed on the 
main SSD, why would TM decide the entire external drive plus other material it 
seems, needed backing up again. I connected it to the Ethernet to speed this 
process which finished during the night but I am puzzled why TM decided to 
apparently update such a large quantity of data. My TC 3TB drive is now down to 
1.2TB remaining which is still plenty, but has copped 455GB it didn’t need to 
and reduced my balance unnecessarily. 

Any clues why this would happen and how can I undo this other than blowing away 
the whole backup file and redoing a full new backup?

Regards


Pete
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Time Machine Backup

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I have a problem with my TM backup, suddenly my 3 TB disk is full and I get a 
message that it needs to be replaced with a new file. Until recently there was 
ca 0.9 TB available.
 
There are 5 files on the disk, 3 sparse images and 2 Folders which have Finder 
copies of files from my G4 and eMac.

eMac 16.69 GB
G4 20.49 GB
MacBook Air 189.19 GB (created 28 Jun 2017)
InteliMac 783.34 GB (created 23 Jun 2012)
MacBook Pro 1.59 TB (created 23 Feb 2012)

The InteliMac is still backing up hourly despite the small amount of space left 
(397.83 GB).
The MacBook Air does not get backed up, we both use it at times via Drop Box so 
it is just the OS files.

I can’t explain why my files have suddenly ballooned. For a while the backup 
included my Windows disk every time I used it, but that was excluded years ago. 
There have been no changes apart from routine updates. The last backup was on 9 
July, I have had some ghastly URTI since 4 July and feel unable to cope with 
this. I have just been copying the files I change to a flash drive and updating 
the clone daily. I need advice about how to proceed.

I don’t want to throw away my old files but I don’t know whether they will be 
of any use if I save the sparse image to another disk (I shall have to buy 
one). I thought that TM got rid of the oldest files to make room for newer 
ones. That obviously didn’t happen and the suddenness of the increase in size 
makes me wonder if the backup is corrupted.

I can’t just leave it any longer as Graham depends on the TM (or me) for 
backups. Can someone please help? I need to know if it is worth trying to save 
the old file and whether creating a new sparse image is likely to affect the 
other files on the disk.

MacBook Pro (15-inch, Early 2011), 2 GHz Intel Core i7, 8 GB 1333 MHz DDR3
Sierra 10.12.6 (16G1510)

Best wishes to all from Diana

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Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Hi Peter, thanks for that tip. As it happens, through the night, the TM backup 
was intelligent enough to figure out that it was actually backing up data 
already present and so no duplication and it successfully concluded. Not sure 
why it went into this position of not recognising the old backup file at least 
initially. 

All sorted now.

Regards


Pete

> On 30 Nov 2017, at 7:48 am, Peter Hinchliffe <hinch...@multiline.com.au> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 29 Nov 2017, at 9:43 pm, Peter Crisp <petercr...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, my sons treats his Macbook in such a way that he usually walks off from 
>> it mid Time Machine backup and then closes the lid which interrupts the back 
>> up. His bedroom is also in a poor wifi spot (which I am separately 
>> resolving) which makes any backup exceedingly slow. I checked his MBP the 
>> other day and it said last backup was a month ago - obviously a time where 
>> he had it open for a period of time which allowed the backup to complete. 
>> 
>> The other night he was copying some content (all five days recorded of the 
>> first test match!!!) from another connected USB drive (via his MBP to his 
>> external drive). At the time of this transfer, the Time Machine woke and 
>> started it’s backup - and the size of the backup was enormous (~100GB). We 
>> selected “Skip this Backup” and then turned off TM. After the Test Match 
>> transfer was completed, we turned ON the Time Machine again and thought 
>> nothing more of it, leaving it to its own devices to pick up the next backup.
>> 
>> It wouldn’t backup at all and a couple of days went by still saying the last 
>> back up was some time prior to the test match file transfer. Tonight I 
>> shutdown his MBP, reset the full network and then restarted the MBP. It took 
>> an age saying “Waiting for first backup” and then Preparing Backup as 
>> expected, then after I had to go out and came back, it said backing up 
>> 540GB!!! The same as the full sized backup of what it was prior. The Test 
>> Match files are in an Excluded folder on the external drive so do not form a 
>> part of this 540GB backup. I can see the backup file is ‘in use’ by looking 
>> from  another network connected MBP at the file. I have let it go for now 
>> but half of me says intervene, blow away the old backup band start again so 
>> he doesn’t end up with a backup files twice the size it needs to be.
>> 
>> It will take a full 24 hours to get through this 540GB Backup but I am not 
>> sure if the resultant backup file will in fact be 1080GB in size, 
>> fortunately the backup disc is a 2TB size so has the space. 
>> 
>> Should I intervene, blow away and start again or let it finish?
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> 
> 
> Do you have a copy of Carbon Copy Cloner or similar? You can always download 
> a 30-day trial copy of CCC (https://bombich.com) for a one-off job. My first 
> step would be to make a clone of the hard drive onto a clean backup disk, 
> just as insurance. 
> 
> My second step would be to cut my losses and simply re-format the Timeout 
> Disk and start again. After all, it IS only backup data you’re losing. 
> 
> The reason for the insurance in the first step is to allow for the possible 
> intervention of Murphy’s Law, which says your Macbook’s own hard drive will 
> die halfway though, and you’ll be left with nothing. 
> 
> With a clean Timeout Disk, start the ball rolling again. It may some time for 
> all this - first for the clone and again for the first Timeout backup, but it 
> should set everything back to normal. As far as preventing your son from 
> closing the lid at the wrong time - I dunno. Self-disciplne or superglue...
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
> Perth, Western Australia
> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
> 
> Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.
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Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Hinchliffe]

> On 29 Nov 2017, at 9:43 pm, Peter Crisp <petercr...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Hi, my sons treats his Macbook in such a way that he usually walks off from 
> it mid Time Machine backup and then closes the lid which interrupts the back 
> up. His bedroom is also in a poor wifi spot (which I am separately resolving) 
> which makes any backup exceedingly slow. I checked his MBP the other day and 
> it said last backup was a month ago - obviously a time where he had it open 
> for a period of time which allowed the backup to complete. 
> 
> The other night he was copying some content (all five days recorded of the 
> first test match!!!) from another connected USB drive (via his MBP to his 
> external drive). At the time of this transfer, the Time Machine woke and 
> started it’s backup - and the size of the backup was enormous (~100GB). We 
> selected “Skip this Backup” and then turned off TM. After the Test Match 
> transfer was completed, we turned ON the Time Machine again and thought 
> nothing more of it, leaving it to its own devices to pick up the next backup.
> 
> It wouldn’t backup at all and a couple of days went by still saying the last 
> back up was some time prior to the test match file transfer. Tonight I 
> shutdown his MBP, reset the full network and then restarted the MBP. It took 
> an age saying “Waiting for first backup” and then Preparing Backup as 
> expected, then after I had to go out and came back, it said backing up 
> 540GB!!! The same as the full sized backup of what it was prior. The Test 
> Match files are in an Excluded folder on the external drive so do not form a 
> part of this 540GB backup. I can see the backup file is ‘in use’ by looking 
> from  another network connected MBP at the file. I have let it go for now but 
> half of me says intervene, blow away the old backup band start again so he 
> doesn’t end up with a backup files twice the size it needs to be.
> 
> It will take a full 24 hours to get through this 540GB Backup but I am not 
> sure if the resultant backup file will in fact be 1080GB in size, fortunately 
> the backup disc is a 2TB size so has the space. 
> 
> Should I intervene, blow away and start again or let it finish?
> 
> Regards
> 
> 

Do you have a copy of Carbon Copy Cloner or similar? You can always download a 
30-day trial copy of CCC (https://bombich.com) for a one-off job. My first step 
would be to make a clone of the hard drive onto a clean backup disk, just as 
insurance. 

My second step would be to cut my losses and simply re-format the Timeout Disk 
and start again. After all, it IS only backup data you’re losing. 

The reason for the insurance in the first step is to allow for the possible 
intervention of Murphy’s Law, which says your Macbook’s own hard drive will die 
halfway though, and you’ll be left with nothing. 

With a clean Timeout Disk, start the ball rolling again. It may some time for 
all this - first for the clone and again for the first Timeout backup, but it 
should set everything back to normal. As far as preventing your son from 
closing the lid at the wrong time - I dunno. Self-disciplne or superglue...

Kind regards,

Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948

Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.

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Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Hi, my sons treats his Macbook in such a way that he usually walks off from it 
mid Time Machine backup and then closes the lid which interrupts the back up. 
His bedroom is also in a poor wifi spot (which I am separately resolving) which 
makes any backup exceedingly slow. I checked his MBP the other day and it said 
last backup was a month ago - obviously a time where he had it open for a 
period of time which allowed the backup to complete. 

The other night he was copying some content (all five days recorded of the 
first test match!!!) from another connected USB drive (via his MBP to his 
external drive). At the time of this transfer, the Time Machine woke and 
started it’s backup - and the size of the backup was enormous (~100GB). We 
selected “Skip this Backup” and then turned off TM. After the Test Match 
transfer was completed, we turned ON the Time Machine again and thought nothing 
more of it, leaving it to its own devices to pick up the next backup.

It wouldn’t backup at all and a couple of days went by still saying the last 
back up was some time prior to the test match file transfer. Tonight I shutdown 
his MBP, reset the full network and then restarted the MBP. It took an age 
saying “Waiting for first backup” and then Preparing Backup as expected, then 
after I had to go out and came back, it said backing up 540GB!!! The same as 
the full sized backup of what it was prior. The Test Match files are in an 
Excluded folder on the external drive so do not form a part of this 540GB 
backup. I can see the backup file is ‘in use’ by looking from  another network 
connected MBP at the file. I have let it go for now but half of me says 
intervene, blow away the old backup band start again so he doesn’t end up with 
a backup files twice the size it needs to be.

It will take a full 24 hours to get through this 540GB Backup but I am not sure 
if the resultant backup file will in fact be 1080GB in size, fortunately the 
backup disc is a 2TB size so has the space. 

Should I intervene, blow away and start again or let it finish?

Regards


Pete
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Re: Time Machine Backup following HDD to SSD upgrade

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Peter,

My suggestion is to trash the old sparse bundle and start fresh Time Machine 
backups on the SSD.

Why I make this suggestion is because - what will happen is that TM will 
continue your old backup sequence but it will do a complete new backup of your 
new drive instead of the usual incremental one the first time it backs up. 
So if you want to save space you may want to delete the sparse bundle with the 
old backups from the TC and start a new backup sequence altogether.

Just remove the sparse bundle manually in the Finder by going to the Time 
Capsule Data folder and deleting it.
That is: Delete it via finder and empty the trash.

Be prepared that the first backup is going to take a very long time, so do it 
when you aren't going to use the computer, probably overnight.
Make sure all applications are Quit (not closed) and disconnect anything 
connected to the Mac.

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4


> On 13 May 2017, at 11:03 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> My son James has upgraded his MBP internal HDD to a SSD this morning. The TM 
> backup had completed succesfully yesterday prior to the drive change and the 
> Backup was then turned off in TM. We used CCC to make a clone of his HDD onto 
> the SSD including the Recovery partition. This concluded succefully. Then set 
> about the HDD change out to the SSD and RAM upgrade to 8MB. All of this went 
> without a hitch, no problems. Started up on the new SSD and it was as 
> expected light years faster than it was previously. We obviously have the 
> removed HDD also as a backup for future data retrieval if the need arises.
> 
> My question comes about now the continuity of his TM backup. We've turned TM 
> back ON and directed it to the same backup location as previously and it 
> seems to be in a holding pattern. Pressing the clock on the top menu shows in 
> faded font "Waiting to complete First Backup" and the TM window says Latest 
> Backup: None, First Backup: None. My inclination is to leave it to it's own 
> devices - it is connected with Ethernet as the expected first backup may be a 
> full backup again. But I am unsure if it will continue on the previous backup 
> Sparsebundle file or create a new one for James SSD alongside the James HDD 
> Sparsebundle. Also, I may have to delete the old Sparesebundle and have it 
> start over again as though a new machine. This wouldn't be catastrophic as I 
> say we have the retrieved HDD as fallback should it go bad before backup back 
> in order.
> 
> He is VERY happy with the speed of his MBP now - it is as quick as my Retina 
> now.
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> Pete
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Time Machine Backup following HDD to SSD upgrade

[Peter Crisp]

My son James has upgraded his MBP internal HDD to a SSD this morning. The TM 
backup had completed succesfully yesterday prior to the drive change and the 
Backup was then turned off in TM. We used CCC to make a clone of his HDD onto 
the SSD including the Recovery partition. This concluded succefully. Then set 
about the HDD change out to the SSD and RAM upgrade to 8MB. All of this went 
without a hitch, no problems. Started up on the new SSD and it was as expected 
light years faster than it was previously. We obviously have the removed HDD 
also as a backup for future data retrieval if the need arises.

My question comes about now the continuity of his TM backup. We've turned TM 
back ON and directed it to the same backup location as previously and it seems 
to be in a holding pattern. Pressing the clock on the top menu shows in faded 
font "Waiting to complete First Backup" and the TM window says Latest Backup: 
None, First Backup: None. My inclination is to leave it to it's own devices - 
it is connected with Ethernet as the expected first backup may be a full backup 
again. But I am unsure if it will continue on the previous backup Sparsebundle 
file or create a new one for James SSD alongside the James HDD Sparsebundle. 
Also, I may have to delete the old Sparesebundle and have it start over again 
as though a new machine. This wouldn't be catastrophic as I say we have the 
retrieved HDD as fallback should it go bad before backup back in order.

He is VERY happy with the speed of his MBP now - it is as quick as my Retina 
now.

Regards


Pete

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Time Machine Backup

[Peter Crisp]

A couple of weeks ago I was using my MBP Retina 13" which I use quite rarely. I 
have an external drive attached (it contains my Photos and iTunes Libraries as 
well as quite a bit of other data) which is included in the backup.

At the time I wasn't doing anything much, just reviewing emails I think. I 
think I had used it the previous day after unmounting the external drive for 
some lap work. I reattached the external drive and it mounted typically without 
event.

Shortly after it set about a routing back up. After a long "Preparing your 
backup" it said, the backup is too large for your backup drive. 

The backup file currently is around 650GB made up of ~550GB on the external 
drive and ~100GB on the MBP. My backup drive is 1TB and has ~300GB+ of free 
space.

I suspect TM has had a fit and thinks it has to do a large backup of something, 
but hardly anything has changed. Just the emails I viewed and some browsing.

Do I blow away the sparesebundle (again) and reset the backup or is there 
another fix for this on going habit of TM?


Regards


Pete
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Re: External drive included in Time Machine Backup

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Peter,

Re: So I hope I have cleared up the understanding of my question from the 
original post. If I were to loose the external drive, then if I bought a new 
drive, plugged it in and the did a Restore from the TM back up of the ENTIRE 
external drive onto the NEW drive, will that restore the contents in exactly 
the same folder structure that it was? 
Would subsequent backups duplicate the now new external drive contents and 
bloat the Sparesebundle into an enormous thing?

First - Take Note:  Don't try to Restore the backup of your OS X System to a 
External Drive... You can't do that!!!

To Restore from the Time Machine Backup of the External Drive that holds just 
Media/Data (iPhoto Library  iTunes Library)
First you need to be able to SEE the backups of a volume that's no longer 
connected.

To see the backups of a volume that’s no longer connected:

As this is a Data-Only Drive (with iTunes  Photos Libraries) but not OS X
For these instructions I’ll call the backup disc MyMedia (don't change the name 
of whatever you had)

1. Open a Finder window and select your computer name in the Finder Sidebar (or 
press Shift+Cmd+C).

2. Then Enter Time Machine  (Star Wars interface from the Time Machine icon)
On the first Finder window in the cascade, labelled Today (Now), you'll see 
all the volumes currently connected to your Mac.

Disk MyMedia, which was backed-up previously, but has failed /stolen / or 
disconnected, does not appear.
Do not select anything in the Today (Now) Finder window

Instead, select the TimeLine entry or Finder window for a previous backup, and 
you'll see a folder for each volume that was backed-up then or previously, 
including any that are not currently available.

The folder for MyMedia does appear in the center only, but not in the sidebar.

Double-click the folder for MyMedia; then you can navigate to whatever you're 
looking for.
Once you find the backup you want, select all the top-level folders (not the 
one representing the disk itself).
Control-Click, choose the Restore items to... option, then the  New External 
Drive.

Note: that other things in the Finder sidebar that are now connected, but were 
not included in the backup being displayed are shown in gray, not black, and of 
course you can’t select them. 

Hopefully that would work... 
Might be worth getting a New External Drive - format it correctly GUID 
Partition map scheme  Mac OS Extended (Journaled) as you have the current 
external drive formatted and do a TEST 

Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

OS X Yosemite 10.10.2

 On 3 Jun 2015, at 7:46 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Comments inserted.
 
 
 On 2 Jun 2015, at 1:43 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com 
 mailto:ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Comments in Situ
 
 On 1 Jun 2015, at 7:17 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au 
 mailto:petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Ok, my apologies for not making it clear then. A pity we can’t use diagrams 
 on this forum. I use a Time Capsule for wireless backup for all 5 MBP’s in 
 my house. 
 
 For my MBP 13” retina, I use a portable external drive (attached to the 
 MBP) to hold the iTunes and Photos libraries as the 250GB on board MBP hard 
 drive is too small. When I set up Time Machine to do my backups of the MBP 
 hard drive (inc attached portable external drive), 
 
 I selected ‘Options’ and then added the external drive (the one attached to 
 my MBP) to be included in the backup to the Time Capsule. 
 Huh? When you select ‘Options’ in System Preferences  Time Machine - Data 
 (Peter’s Time Capsule?)  the Options window would show the attached external 
 drive under “Exclude these items from backups”. Yes, you’re right, my 
 mistake - I didn’t exclude, by default the externally attached drive is 
 included. So the External drive is included within the full back up - 
 evidenced by the fact that my MBP has 70GB in use (180GB Free of 250GB) and 
 my 2TB external drive makes up the balance of the 650GB backup Sparesebundle.
 
 So the Sparesebundle backup file on the Time Capsule therefore holds a copy 
 of the data on the external drive attached to the MBP.
 
 Are you sure? Have you checked by going to the Time Machine icon   ‘Enter 
 Time Machine’? 
 Are you sure this external drive which holds your iTunes Library  Photos 
 Library has been backed up to your Time Capsule? Yes, the backup file is 
 ~650GB which is the sum of what is on the MBP + what is on the external 
 drive.
 
 Either I’m overworked and not thinking straight, but I’m certainly not on 
 the same page as you :(
 With Time Machine, you can go back in time to Restore files, versions of 
 files, or your entire system.
 To open a Photo Library that has been backed up with Time Machine the 
 Library must be first Restored from the TM Hard Drive to your Boot Drive. I 
 will do a trial by trying a Restore

Re: External drive included in Time Machine Backup

[Peter Crisp]

Ok, noted thanks Ronni. The OS X is on the MBP drive on board, not on the 
external. Yes, good idea your test below, I might try the test first on a new 
drive to prove the test. Then reformat the drive again and do a CCC of the 
whole (MBP+External drive), then I have my additional backup already sorted on 
top of my TM backup.

Regards

Pete.


 On 4 Jun 2015, at 5:01 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Re: So I hope I have cleared up the understanding of my question from the 
 original post. If I were to loose the external drive, then if I bought a new 
 drive, plugged it in and the did a Restore from the TM back up of the ENTIRE 
 external drive onto the NEW drive, will that restore the contents in exactly 
 the same folder structure that it was? 
 Would subsequent backups duplicate the now new external drive contents and 
 bloat the Sparesebundle into an enormous thing?
 
 First - Take Note:  Don't try to Restore the backup of your OS X System to a 
 External Drive... You can't do that!!!
 
 To Restore from the Time Machine Backup of the External Drive that holds just 
 Media/Data (iPhoto Library  iTunes Library)
 First you need to be able to SEE the backups of a volume that's no longer 
 connected.
 
 To see the backups of a volume that’s no longer connected:
 
 As this is a Data-Only Drive (with iTunes  Photos Libraries) but not OS X
 For these instructions I’ll call the backup disc MyMedia (don't change the 
 name of whatever you had)
 
 1. Open a Finder window and select your computer name in the Finder Sidebar 
 (or press Shift+Cmd+C).
 
 2. Then Enter Time Machine  (Star Wars interface from the Time Machine icon)
 On the first Finder window in the cascade, labelled Today (Now), you'll see 
 all the volumes currently connected to your Mac.
 
 Disk MyMedia, which was backed-up previously, but has failed /stolen / or 
 disconnected, does not appear.
 Do not select anything in the Today (Now) Finder window
 
 Instead, select the TimeLine entry or Finder window for a previous backup, 
 and you'll see a folder for each volume that was backed-up then or 
 previously, including any that are not currently available.
 
 The folder for MyMedia does appear in the center only, but not in the sidebar.
 
 Double-click the folder for MyMedia; then you can navigate to whatever you're 
 looking for.
 Once you find the backup you want, select all the top-level folders (not the 
 one representing the disk itself).
 Control-Click, choose the Restore items to... option, then the  New 
 External Drive.
 
 Note: that other things in the Finder sidebar that are now connected, but 
 were not included in the backup being displayed are shown in gray, not black, 
 and of course you can’t select them. 
 
 Hopefully that would work... 
 Might be worth getting a New External Drive - format it correctly GUID 
 Partition map scheme  Mac OS Extended (Journaled) as you have the current 
 external drive formatted and do a TEST 
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
 
 OS X Yosemite 10.10.2
 
 On 3 Jun 2015, at 7:46 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au 
 mailto:petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Comments inserted.
 
 
 On 2 Jun 2015, at 1:43 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com 
 mailto:ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Comments in Situ
 
 On 1 Jun 2015, at 7:17 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au 
 mailto:petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Ok, my apologies for not making it clear then. A pity we can’t use 
 diagrams on this forum. I use a Time Capsule for wireless backup for all 5 
 MBP’s in my house. 
 
 For my MBP 13” retina, I use a portable external drive (attached to the 
 MBP) to hold the iTunes and Photos libraries as the 250GB on board MBP 
 hard drive is too small. When I set up Time Machine to do my backups of 
 the MBP hard drive (inc attached portable external drive), 
 
 I selected ‘Options’ and then added the external drive (the one attached 
 to my MBP) to be included in the backup to the Time Capsule. 
 Huh? When you select ‘Options’ in System Preferences  Time Machine - Data 
 (Peter’s Time Capsule?)  the Options window would show the attached 
 external drive under “Exclude these items from backups”. Yes, you’re right, 
 my mistake - I didn’t exclude, by default the externally attached drive is 
 included. So the External drive is included within the full back up - 
 evidenced by the fact that my MBP has 70GB in use (180GB Free of 250GB) and 
 my 2TB external drive makes up the balance of the 650GB backup 
 Sparesebundle.
 
 So the Sparesebundle backup file on the Time Capsule therefore holds a 
 copy of the data on the external drive attached to the MBP.
 
 Are you sure? Have you checked by going to the Time Machine icon   ‘Enter 
 Time Machine’? 
 Are you sure this external drive which holds your iTunes Library  Photos 
 Library has been backed up to your

Re: External drive included in Time Machine Backup

[Peter Crisp]

Comments inserted.


 On 2 Jun 2015, at 1:43 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Comments in Situ
 
 On 1 Jun 2015, at 7:17 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au 
 mailto:petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Ok, my apologies for not making it clear then. A pity we can’t use diagrams 
 on this forum. I use a Time Capsule for wireless backup for all 5 MBP’s in 
 my house. 
 
 For my MBP 13” retina, I use a portable external drive (attached to the MBP) 
 to hold the iTunes and Photos libraries as the 250GB on board MBP hard drive 
 is too small. When I set up Time Machine to do my backups of the MBP hard 
 drive (inc attached portable external drive),
 
 I selected ‘Options’ and then added the external drive (the one attached to 
 my MBP) to be included in the backup to the Time Capsule.
 Huh? When you select ‘Options’ in System Preferences  Time Machine - Data 
 (Peter’s Time Capsule?)  the Options window would show the attached external 
 drive under “Exclude these items from backups”. Yes, you’re right, my mistake 
 - I didn’t exclude, by default the externally attached drive is included. So 
 the External drive is included within the full back up - evidenced by the 
 fact that my MBP has 70GB in use (180GB Free of 250GB) and my 2TB external 
 drive makes up the balance of the 650GB backup Sparesebundle.
 
 So the Sparesebundle backup file on the Time Capsule therefore holds a copy 
 of the data on the external drive attached to the MBP.
 
 Are you sure? Have you checked by going to the Time Machine icon   ‘Enter 
 Time Machine’? 
 Are you sure this external drive which holds your iTunes Library  Photos 
 Library has been backed up to your Time Capsule? Yes, the backup file is 
 ~650GB which is the sum of what is on the MBP + what is on the external drive.
 
 Either I’m overworked and not thinking straight, but I’m certainly not on the 
 same page as you :(
 With Time Machine, you can go back in time to Restore files, versions of 
 files, or your entire system.
 To open a Photo Library that has been backed up with Time Machine the Library 
 must be first Restored from the TM Hard Drive to your Boot Drive. I will do a 
 trial by trying a Restore on one of the simple files say a PDF which I have 
 on the external drive to test the process.
 
 So notwithstanding a triplicate backup strategy being the right thing to do 
 to provide robust data security, ideally I use the Time Machine backup as 
 the first port of call in the event of needing to recover a specific file 
 (or the entire portable external drive content if it were to fail or get 
 stolen).
 
 I hope that makes my configuration clear and therefore the original question 
 now understandable.
 
 Sorry, probably me, but I’m still confused.

So I hope I have cleared up the understanding of my question from the original 
post. If I were to loose the external drive, then if I bought a new drive, 
plugged it in and the did a Restore from the TM back up of the ENTIRE external 
drive onto the NEW drive, will that restore the contents in exactly the same 
folder structure that it was? Would subsequent backups duplicate the now new 
external drive contents and bloat the Sparesebundle into an enormous thing?
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 
 Regards
 
 Pete.
 
 
 
 
 On 1 Jun 2015, at 4:52 pm, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com 
 mailto:ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 I dont actually have a problem currently but if my external drive were to 
 fail or get lost or stolen, how would I reinstate the contents within the 
 backup file of the external drive to a NEW external drive and restore the 
 status quo?
 
 I'm not sure if I'm understanding you exactly.
 If any of the above issues happen - The 'External Drive fails, or gets 
 lost, or stolen'... You would not be able to Restore anything from the Time 
 Machine backup as there is no Time Machine Backup - The External Drive is 
 no longer accessible!
 
 This is why we must have a good three parts backup strategy (similar to my 
 backup strategy I've posted numerous times on WAMUG) to help cover drive 
 failures, stolen, or lost computers or backup drives.
 
 Also it's best to have iTunes  Photos quit when Time Machine is backing up.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 30 May 2015, at 6:48 am, petercr...@westnet.com.au 
 mailto:petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Good morning, I use an external drive to hold my iTunes and Photos 
 library. I have explicitly selected in 'Options' to include the external 
 drive in the hourly backup process with Time Machine so the backup file 
 first time around was quite large (~650GB) and took a long while. 
 
 I dont actually have a problem currently but if my external drive were to 
 fail or get lost or stolen, how would I reinstate the contents within the 
 backup file of the external drive to a NEW external drive and restore the 
 status quo?
 
 I've never once restored a file from TM (though I am well practiced at 
 deleting the Sparsebundle backup

External drive included in Time Machine Backup

[petercrisp]

Good morning, I use an external drive to hold my iTunes and Photos
library. I have explicitly selected in 'Options' to include the
external drive in the hourly backup process with Time Machine so the
backup file first time around was quite large (~650GB) and took a long
while. 
I dont actually have a problem currently but if my external drive were
to fail or get lost or stolen, how would I reinstate the contents
within the backup file of the external drive to a NEW external drive
and restore the status quo?
I've never once restored a file from TM (though I am well practiced at
deleting the Sparsebundle backup file!!) so not familiar with the
process anyway but I am keen to understand how I would restore the
external drive associated files (either singly (say my Photos library
file) or the drive in total).
Regards
Pete.


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Re: External drive included in Time Machine Backup

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Peter,

 I dont actually have a problem currently but if my external drive were to 
 fail or get lost or stolen, how would I reinstate the contents within the 
 backup file of the external drive to a NEW external drive and restore the 
 status quo?

I'm not sure if I'm understanding you exactly.
If any of the above issues happen - The 'External Drive fails, or gets lost, or 
stolen'... You would not be able to Restore anything from the Time Machine 
backup as there is no Time Machine Backup - The External Drive is no longer 
accessible!

This is why we must have a good three parts backup strategy (similar to my 
backup strategy I've posted numerous times on WAMUG) to help cover drive 
failures, stolen, or lost computers or backup drives.

Also it's best to have iTunes  Photos quit when Time Machine is backing up.

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4


 On 30 May 2015, at 6:48 am, petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Good morning, I use an external drive to hold my iTunes and Photos library. I 
 have explicitly selected in 'Options' to include the external drive in the 
 hourly backup process with Time Machine so the backup file first time around 
 was quite large (~650GB) and took a long while. 
 
 I dont actually have a problem currently but if my external drive were to 
 fail or get lost or stolen, how would I reinstate the contents within the 
 backup file of the external drive to a NEW external drive and restore the 
 status quo?
 
 I've never once restored a file from TM (though I am well practiced at 
 deleting the Sparsebundle backup file!!) so not familiar with the process 
 anyway but I am keen to understand how I would restore the external drive 
 associated files (either singly (say my Photos library file) or the drive in 
 total).
 
 Regards
 
 Pete.
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Re: External drive included in Time Machine Backup

[Peter Crisp]

Ok, my apologies for not making it clear then. A pity we can’t use diagrams on 
this forum. I use a Time Capsule for wireless backup for all 5 MBP’s in my 
house. 

For my MBP 13” retina, I use a portable external drive (attached to the MBP) to 
hold the iTunes and Photos libraries as the 250GB on board MBP hard drive is 
too small. When I set up Time Machine to do my backups of the MBP hard drive 
(inc attached portable external drive), I selected ‘Options’ and then added the 
external drive (the one attached to my MBP) to be included in the backup to the 
Time Capsule. So the Sparesebundle backup file on the Time Capsule therefore 
holds a copy of the data on the external drive attached to the MBP.

So notwithstanding a triplicate backup strategy being the right thing to do to 
provide robust data security, ideally I use the Time Machine backup as the 
first port of call in the event of needing to recover a specific file (or the 
entire portable external drive content if it were to fail or get stolen).

I hope that makes my configuration clear and therefore the original question 
now understandable.

Regards

Pete.




 On 1 Jun 2015, at 4:52 pm, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 I dont actually have a problem currently but if my external drive were to 
 fail or get lost or stolen, how would I reinstate the contents within the 
 backup file of the external drive to a NEW external drive and restore the 
 status quo?
 
 I'm not sure if I'm understanding you exactly.
 If any of the above issues happen - The 'External Drive fails, or gets lost, 
 or stolen'... You would not be able to Restore anything from the Time Machine 
 backup as there is no Time Machine Backup - The External Drive is no longer 
 accessible!
 
 This is why we must have a good three parts backup strategy (similar to my 
 backup strategy I've posted numerous times on WAMUG) to help cover drive 
 failures, stolen, or lost computers or backup drives.
 
 Also it's best to have iTunes  Photos quit when Time Machine is backing up.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 30 May 2015, at 6:48 am, petercr...@westnet.com.au 
 mailto:petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Good morning, I use an external drive to hold my iTunes and Photos library. 
 I have explicitly selected in 'Options' to include the external drive in the 
 hourly backup process with Time Machine so the backup file first time around 
 was quite large (~650GB) and took a long while. 
 
 I dont actually have a problem currently but if my external drive were to 
 fail or get lost or stolen, how would I reinstate the contents within the 
 backup file of the external drive to a NEW external drive and restore the 
 status quo?
 
 I've never once restored a file from TM (though I am well practiced at 
 deleting the Sparsebundle backup file!!) so not familiar with the process 
 anyway but I am keen to understand how I would restore the external drive 
 associated files (either singly (say my Photos library file) or the drive in 
 total).
 
 Regards
 
 Pete.
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Re: External drive included in Time Machine Backup

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Peter,

Comments in Situ

 On 1 Jun 2015, at 7:17 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Ok, my apologies for not making it clear then. A pity we can’t use diagrams 
 on this forum. I use a Time Capsule for wireless backup for all 5 MBP’s in my 
 house. 
 
 For my MBP 13” retina, I use a portable external drive (attached to the MBP) 
 to hold the iTunes and Photos libraries as the 250GB on board MBP hard drive 
 is too small. When I set up Time Machine to do my backups of the MBP hard 
 drive (inc attached portable external drive),

 I selected ‘Options’ and then added the external drive (the one attached to 
 my MBP) to be included in the backup to the Time Capsule.
Huh? When you select ‘Options’ in System Preferences  Time Machine - Data 
(Peter’s Time Capsule?)  the Options window would show the attached external 
drive under “Exclude these items from backups

 So the Sparesebundle backup file on the Time Capsule therefore holds a copy 
 of the data on the external drive attached to the MBP.

Are you sure? Have you checked by going to the Time Machine icon   ‘Enter Time 
Machine’? 
Are you sure this external drive which holds your iTunes Library  Photos 
Library has been backed up to your Time Capsule?

Either I’m overworked and not thinking straight, but I’m certainly not on the 
same page as you :(
With Time Machine, you can go back in time to Restore files, versions of 
files, or your entire system.
To open a Photo Library that has been backed up with Time Machine the Library 
must be first Restored from the TM Hard Drive to your Boot Drive.
 
 So notwithstanding a triplicate backup strategy being the right thing to do 
 to provide robust data security, ideally I use the Time Machine backup as the 
 first port of call in the event of needing to recover a specific file (or the 
 entire portable external drive content if it were to fail or get stolen).
 
 I hope that makes my configuration clear and therefore the original question 
 now understandable.

Sorry, probably me, but I’m still confused.

Cheers,
Ronni

 
 Regards
 
 Pete.
 
 
 
 
 On 1 Jun 2015, at 4:52 pm, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com 
 mailto:ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 I dont actually have a problem currently but if my external drive were to 
 fail or get lost or stolen, how would I reinstate the contents within the 
 backup file of the external drive to a NEW external drive and restore the 
 status quo?
 
 I'm not sure if I'm understanding you exactly.
 If any of the above issues happen - The 'External Drive fails, or gets lost, 
 or stolen'... You would not be able to Restore anything from the Time 
 Machine backup as there is no Time Machine Backup - The External Drive is no 
 longer accessible!
 
 This is why we must have a good three parts backup strategy (similar to my 
 backup strategy I've posted numerous times on WAMUG) to help cover drive 
 failures, stolen, or lost computers or backup drives.
 
 Also it's best to have iTunes  Photos quit when Time Machine is backing up.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 30 May 2015, at 6:48 am, petercr...@westnet.com.au 
 mailto:petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Good morning, I use an external drive to hold my iTunes and Photos library. 
 I have explicitly selected in 'Options' to include the external drive in 
 the hourly backup process with Time Machine so the backup file first time 
 around was quite large (~650GB) and took a long while. 
 
 I dont actually have a problem currently but if my external drive were to 
 fail or get lost or stolen, how would I reinstate the contents within the 
 backup file of the external drive to a NEW external drive and restore the 
 status quo?
 
 I've never once restored a file from TM (though I am well practiced at 
 deleting the Sparsebundle backup file!!) so not familiar with the process 
 anyway but I am keen to understand how I would restore the external drive 
 associated files (either singly (say my Photos library file) or the drive 
 in total).
 
 Regards
 
 Pete.
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Re: Time machine - backup failed - disk too small

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Gary,

Something for you to check out.

Do you have more than one user account on the machine?


From memory, the get info only shows the size of the folders you can ³see² -
so for other user folders (with the red no entry sign on the folder icon) it
does not show you the size of their user folders (except for their generally
accessible ³public² and ³sites² folders) so that the size it shows for
³users² can be much smaller than the true size if there are other large user
folders in there.

Whatsize seems to offer a way round this called 'Measure as Administrator' ­
from their webpage http://whatsizemac.com/faq/
 WhatSize does not have permission to measure files and folders owned by other
 users of the machine. You need to 'Measure as Administrator'. Contact Us if
 you want to replace the Mac App Store version.


Since you are using SL, the last version of Whatsize that was SL compatable
was 5.3.2 - out of interest I downloaded this and the 'Measure as
Administrator' function IS in this version - but cannot be activated as a
trial user - you need to have bought the license.

HTH



Cheers



Neil
-- 
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Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
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on 9/4/15 10:01, garydorn at gd...@me.com wrote:

 Howdy WAMUG
 RE Time Machine
 Mac OS 10.6.8
 
 we noticed that Time machine on a iMac has not backup up since about june
 2014! to a WD Mybooklive 500 GB over ethernet.
 
 initially it says disk not available
 
 I ran disk utility which corrected a harddisk corruption
 
 I ran Time machine again - error-  This backup is too large for the backup
 disk. The backup requires 747.42 GB but only 331.21 GB are available
 
 In Finder I checked out was was so large.
 
 Users  184GB
 Applications 13.16 GB
 System Info 5.11 GB
 Library 11.59 GB
 Developer 3.03 GB
 resources 0KB
 lost + found 17.8 MB
 users guide and information 181 MB
 
 total about say 217 GB
 
 If the backup says there is 747 GB and Finder say 217 GB  - what this extra
 531 GB?
 
 as an experiment I excluded all other these folders in Time Machine options
 and it left 397 GB to backup!
 
 WhatSize  does not reveal where this all is.
 
 Please, Can anybody shed a light on this overly large backup?
 
 
 
 garydorn
 gd...@me.com
 north perth
 


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Time machine - backup failed - disk too small

[garydorn]

Howdy WAMUG
RE Time Machine
Mac OS 10.6.8

we noticed that Time machine on a iMac has not backup up since about june 2014! 
to a WD Mybooklive 500 GB over ethernet.

initially it says disk not available 

I ran disk utility which corrected a harddisk corruption

I ran Time machine again - error-  This backup is too large for the backup 
disk. The backup requires 747.42 GB but only 331.21 GB are available

In Finder I checked out was was so large.

Users  184GB
Applications 13.16 GB
System Info 5.11 GB
Library 11.59 GB
Developer 3.03 GB
resources 0KB
lost + found 17.8 MB
users guide and information 181 MB

total about say 217 GB

If the backup says there is 747 GB and Finder say 217 GB  - what this extra 531 
GB?

as an experiment I excluded all other these folders in Time Machine options and 
it left 397 GB to backup!

WhatSize  does not reveal where this all is.

Please, Can anybody shed a light on this overly large backup?



garydorn
gd...@me.com
north perth

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Time Machine Backup Verification Fail

[Alan Smith]

Time Machine backup verification failed - again.  Any suggestions for cause and 
cure?

Time Capsule is set up for Time Machine backups from two iMacs.  Backup 
verification failed on late 2009 iMac on 23 March necessitating deletion of TM 
history and creation of a new backup.  Verification failed again today (7 
April)!   Apple Support states that “scheduled verification happens 
automatically”.   What is default period for automatic scheduled verification?  
Can this be edited by user?

I initiated a user backup verification on the second iMac (late 2012) and it 
passed the test OK.  (Relief!)

Had no Apple messages re availability of Time Capsule firmware updates.  Now 
operating as version 7.6.4.  Older installed archive versions available are 
7.6.3 and 7.6.1.

TC network connection is WiFi for 2009 iMac and Ethernet for 2012 iMac.   
Ethernet failed on 2009 iMac in Dec 2012, and has been operating on WiFi ever 
since.

Regards, 
Alan

Alan Smith
  Late 2012 iMac 27 Intel Quad Core i5  Fusion 3.2GHz 8G RAM - OSX 10.9.5 
Mavericks
  Late 2009 iMac 21.5 Intel Core 2 Duo 3.06GHz 12G RAM - OSX 10.9.5 Mavericks
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Re: Time Machine Backup Verification Fail

[Ronni Brown]

Hello Alan,

 On 7 Apr 2015, at 3:10 pm, Alan Smith sma...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Time Machine backup verification failed - again.  
If you manually run 'Verify Backups' again after receiving the failed error 
message - does it complete satisfactory?

 Any suggestions for cause and cure?
Possible Network problems:, especially interference.  Use iStumbler app to 
examine the strength of your connection. 
Power problems: Power spikes or dips can cause all sorts of trouble, including 
directory problems on your backups.
Names: the names of some things may be a problem - Base station name  Wireless 
Network name should avoid punctuation and special characters

Have you tried 'Repairing the sparsebundle'?
If you need instructions how to -  I could email you offlist my tutorial 
'repair time machine sparsebundle backup on Time Capsule'
 
 Time Capsule is set up for Time Machine backups from two iMacs.  Backup 
 verification failed on late 2009 iMac on 23 March necessitating deletion of 
 TM history and creation of a new backup.  
Did you receive the message - Time Machine completed a verification of your 
backups on xTime Capsule. To improve reliability, Time Machine must 
create a new backup for you?

If you receive the above message it means TM has found some corruption. Time 
Machine locks the sparse bundle containing your network backups, and marks it 
as damaged.

 Verification failed again today (7 April)!   Apple Support states that 
 “scheduled verification happens automatically”.   What is default period for 
 automatic scheduled verification?  Can this be edited by user?

It's usually run automatically, once a month. 
You can run it manually, by holding the Alt/Option key while selecting the Time 
Machine icon in your Menubar and selecting Verify Backups.
 
 I initiated a user backup verification on the second iMac (late 2012) and it 
 passed the test OK.  (Relief!)
 
 Had no Apple messages re availability of Time Capsule firmware updates.  Now 
 operating as version 7.6.4.
  7.6.4 is the current Firmware version

  Older installed archive versions available are 7.6.3 and 7.6.1.
 
 TC network connection is WiFi for 2009 iMac and Ethernet for 2012 iMac.   
 Ethernet failed on 2009 iMac in Dec 2012, and has been operating on WiFi ever 
 since.

I would keep an eye on your Wi-Fi Network connection and perhaps not have 
Internet activity on when TM is doing a Wi-Fi backup of the 2009 iMac.

Cheers,
Ronni

17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Intel Quad-Core i7 
2.3GHz / 16GB / 1TB 840 EVO SSD

OS X Yosemite 10.10.2
 
 Regards, 
 Alan
 
 Alan Smith
  Late 2012 iMac 27 Intel Quad Core i5  Fusion 3.2GHz 8G RAM - OSX 10.9.5 
 Mavericks
  Late 2009 iMac 21.5 Intel Core 2 Duo 3.06GHz 12G RAM - OSX 10.9.5 Mavericks
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Re: Time Machine Backup Verification Fail

[Alan Smith]

Hello Ronni

Thanks for your response.  You have given me some things to check over the next 
few days.  My responses within the text below.  Here are some additional 
comments.

After today’s TM auto verification test/failure I eventually chose the “start 
new backup” option.  Now I don’t have the damaged sparsebundle to attempt 
repairs.  A new backup was created with subsequent hourly updates, so all seems 
to be OK.  I may manually verify the backup tomorrow and next week to 
stress-test the system.

Part way through writing the TM backup the iMac crashed (TM was the only active 
app) and automatically restarted.  Got message “Your computer was restarted due 
to a problem”.  The report referred to panic cpu1 . . .”.This MAY be 
totally unrelated to the TM issue.   TM had been running for about 20 mins 
(indexing?) and then say 30 minutes writing data before crashing.  TM 
automatically resumed and completed the backup when restarted.   I was using an 
iPad (WiFi) at the time so there may be a hidden network wireless problem.

On 7 Apr 2015, at 5:31 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:

 Hello Alan,
 
 On 7 Apr 2015, at 3:10 pm, Alan Smith sma...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Time Machine backup verification failed - again.  
 If you manually run 'Verify Backups' again after receiving the failed error 
 message - does it complete satisfactory?
…. Generally I never do a manual verification. My comment was to inform wamug 
that I had earlier experienced another auto verification failure but I didn’t 
pursue it at the time.   I hadn’t considered re-running verification manually 
after a failure - I can try it next time and see what happens.
 
 Any suggestions for cause and cure?
 Possible Network problems:, especially interference.  Use iStumbler app to 
 examine the strength of your connection. 
 Power problems: Power spikes or dips can cause all sorts of trouble, 
 including directory problems on your backups.
 Names: the names of some things may be a problem - Base station name  
 Wireless Network name should avoid punctuation and special characters
….. Will check these.
 
 Have you tried 'Repairing the sparsebundle'?
 If you need instructions how to -  I could email you offlist my tutorial 
 'repair time machine sparsebundle backup on Time Capsule’
…. Thanks for your offer. TM data for this iMac is not very important and is 
not large in size.  I feel that a ‘brand new’ TM file would be quicker to 
create and be better trusted.
 
 Time Capsule is set up for Time Machine backups from two iMacs.  Backup 
 verification failed on late 2009 iMac on 23 March necessitating deletion of 
 TM history and creation of a new backup.  
 Did you receive the message - Time Machine completed a verification of your 
 backups on xTime Capsule. To improve reliability, Time Machine must 
 create a new backup for you”?
…. Yes, received this message.  I let TM erase the faulty sparsebundle and 
write a new backup. 
 
 If you receive the above message it means TM has found some corruption. Time 
 Machine locks the sparse bundle containing your network backups, and marks it 
 as damaged.
 
 Verification failed again today (7 April)!   Apple Support states that 
 “scheduled verification happens automatically”.   What is default period for 
 automatic scheduled verification?  Can this be edited by user?
 
 It's usually run automatically, once a month. 
 You can run it manually, by holding the Alt/Option key while selecting the 
 Time Machine icon in your Menubar and selecting Verify Backups.
…. So my 2-week interval may not be standard?  Or it may be weekly, and it 
“passed” last week!
 
 I initiated a user backup verification on the second iMac (late 2012) and it 
 passed the test OK.  (Relief!)
 
 Had no Apple messages re availability of Time Capsule firmware updates.  Now 
 operating as version 7.6.4.
   7.6.4 is the current Firmware version
 
  Older installed archive versions available are 7.6.3 and 7.6.1.
 
 TC network connection is WiFi for 2009 iMac and Ethernet for 2012 iMac.   
 Ethernet failed on 2009 iMac in Dec 2012, and has been operating on WiFi 
 ever since.
 
 I would keep an eye on your Wi-Fi Network connection and perhaps not have 
 Internet activity on when TM is doing a Wi-Fi backup of the 2009 iMac.
…. Yes, I may have to re-locate the iMac.  I can test for a possible improved 
signal quality by using my (spare) Airport Express as a WiFi extender.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Intel Quad-Core i7 
 2.3GHz / 16GB / 1TB 840 EVO SSD
 
 OS X Yosemite 10.10.2

Cheers
Alan
 
 Regards, 
 Alan
 
 Alan Smith
  Late 2012 iMac 27 Intel Quad Core i5  Fusion 3.2GHz 8G RAM - OSX 10.9.5 
 Mavericks
  Late 2009 iMac 21.5 Intel Core 2 Duo 3.06GHz 12G RAM - OSX 10.9.5 Mavericks
  iPhone5;  iPad2;  ATV2
 
 
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Re: Time Machine Backup file connection

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Peter,

The Time Capsule Network should already be working as a Dual-Band Wi-Fi Network.
On your computers that are connected to the Airport Network.
Option-Click on the Wi-Fi symbol in the Menu Bar 
You will then see all information of the connection and which band it is using
Including- IP address 10.0.1.x - Router Address 10.0.1.1, - Security: WPA2 
Personal, 
Channel 149 (5 GHz, 40 MHz) or Channel ..? (2.4 GHz, 20 Mhz)
and much more detail of the connection.

Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad4

 On 23 Feb 2015, at 5:03 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Ok, sorry been pretty busy today. I sorted out the Linksys so no longer an 
 issue there. Will investigate the dual band thing on the TC. It was so long 
 ago that you helped me with this Ronni that I can't recall. Tonight I'll have 
 a look see. Though the other Macbooks in the house still continue to print 
 quite alright. I am unsure if the Epson printer TX710W is a 2.5GHz device or 
 5GHz. 
 
 Will have a look into the TC config then.
 
 Regards
 
 
 Pete
 
 On 22 Feb 2015, at 6:50 pm, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 My comments in Situ below.
 
 On 22 Feb 2015, at 4:40 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni, the two wireless networks are simply that my modem has its own 
 wireless network (my Linksys modem) and the one network I have from my TC. 
 It is set up as a 5GHz network. 
 
 You need to setup the Time Capsule Network as Dual-Band Wi-Fi 2.5GHz /5GHz
 Then 2.5GHz devices will automatically connect to the 2.5GHz band and 
 computers  devices that use 5GHz band will automatically connect to the 
 5GHz mode of the Airport Network.
 
 I simply haven't got around to changing the settings on the Linksys to 
 disable the wifi network. As I periodically do a reboot of the entire 
 network, the Linksys resets and as the devices in the house go looking for 
 networks, if the linksys boots up before the TC, then even if the network 
 priority is set as TC network first, if it isn't yet established the 
 units will connect to the Linksys first. So I will figure out how to get 
 into the Linksys and disable Wifi.
 
 Disable wireless on Linksys should be similar to this:
 STEP 1
 
 Open a Web browser.
 
 STEP 2
 
 Navigate to the IP address of your router. The default address for Linksys 
 routers is 192.168.1.1. Enter your router admin name and password.
 
 STEP 3
 
 Click on Wireless.
 
 STEP 4
 
 Open the Wireless Network Mode drop-down menu and select Disabled.
 
 STEP 5
 
 Click Save settings.
 
 
 Still leaves me with my sons backup relationship between his Macbook and 
 Sparesebundle being broken. Can i re-establish that relationship or must I 
 delete the sparesebundle and rebuild from scratch?
 
 You need to sort out the Airport Time Capsule Dual- Band Network first.
 Then setup the Time Machine backup 
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 Regards
 
 
 Pete
 
 On 22 Feb 2015, at 4:17 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 A perhaps contributing factor is the fact that my modem also has its own 
 wireless network which it setsup called linksys. 
 
 Why do you have TWO Wireless Networks? 
 
 I remember helping you ages ago and sending you details how to 'Setup a 
 Single - Simultaneous Dual-Band 802.11n Wi-Fi Network on Time Capsule, 
 that uses both the 2.4GHz and 5GHz bands simultaneously...
 
 What Time Machine backup error message has been showing on your Son's 
 MacBook?
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
   
 On 22 Feb 2015, at 10:11 am, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au 
 wrote:
 
 Good morning, my sons Macbook seems to constantly loose connection to the 
 sparsebundle file previously created and backed up from his Macbook. 
 
 Just yesterday morning I realised, there was no sparesebundle file at all 
 on the TC so set about doing a full backup. It took 8 hours not 
 surprisingly for a 260GB backup. No problem it backed up fine and came to 
 the end of the backup.
 
 A perhaps contributing factor is the fact that my modem also has its own 
 wireless network which it setsup called linksys. I've reset his network 
 priority now so that it connects to the 5GHz WiFi from the TC (and not 
 the Linksys). But is it this connection and subsequent attempts to do 
 backups which it would be unable to connect to which has broken the link?
 
 So, do I blow away the old sparesebundle and re do a full backup from 
 scratch (another 8 hours) or is there a way to point the Macbook to use 
 the sparsebundle file that is there with name reflecting his computer 
 name and say use this one please!
 
 Regards
 
 
 Pete
 
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Re: Time Machine Backup file connection

[Peter Crisp]

Hi Ronni, all is preserved now. I had become so preoccupied thinking it was a 
problem at the Macbook end when all along, for a reason I don't know, the 
printer had lost its connection to the wifi network. I went through the process 
of reattaching, and now it's all good again. 

The Macbook in concern was in fact attached to the 5GHz network with all the 
data presented as you indicated below.

Thanks for help in assisting once again Ronni.

Regards


Pete

 On 23 Feb 2015, at 7:57 pm, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 The Time Capsule Network should already be working as a Dual-Band Wi-Fi 
 Network.
 On your computers that are connected to the Airport Network.
 Option-Click on the Wi-Fi symbol in the Menu Bar 
 You will then see all information of the connection and which band it is using
 Including- IP address 10.0.1.x - Router Address 10.0.1.1, - Security: WPA2 
 Personal, 
 Channel 149 (5 GHz, 40 MHz) or Channel ..? (2.4 GHz, 20 Mhz)
 and much more detail of the connection.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 On 23 Feb 2015, at 5:03 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Ok, sorry been pretty busy today. I sorted out the Linksys so no longer an 
 issue there. Will investigate the dual band thing on the TC. It was so long 
 ago that you helped me with this Ronni that I can't recall. Tonight I'll 
 have a look see. Though the other Macbooks in the house still continue to 
 print quite alright. I am unsure if the Epson printer TX710W is a 2.5GHz 
 device or 5GHz. 
 
 Will have a look into the TC config then.
 
 Regards
 
 
 Pete
 
 On 22 Feb 2015, at 6:50 pm, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 My comments in Situ below.
 
 On 22 Feb 2015, at 4:40 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni, the two wireless networks are simply that my modem has its own 
 wireless network (my Linksys modem) and the one network I have from my TC. 
 It is set up as a 5GHz network. 
 
 You need to setup the Time Capsule Network as Dual-Band Wi-Fi 2.5GHz /5GHz
 Then 2.5GHz devices will automatically connect to the 2.5GHz band and 
 computers  devices that use 5GHz band will automatically connect to the 
 5GHz mode of the Airport Network.
 
 I simply haven't got around to changing the settings on the Linksys to 
 disable the wifi network. As I periodically do a reboot of the entire 
 network, the Linksys resets and as the devices in the house go looking for 
 networks, if the linksys boots up before the TC, then even if the network 
 priority is set as TC network first, if it isn't yet established the 
 units will connect to the Linksys first. So I will figure out how to get 
 into the Linksys and disable Wifi.
 
 Disable wireless on Linksys should be similar to this:
 STEP 1
 
 Open a Web browser.
 
 STEP 2
 
 Navigate to the IP address of your router. The default address for Linksys 
 routers is 192.168.1.1. Enter your router admin name and password.
 
 STEP 3
 
 Click on Wireless.
 
 STEP 4
 
 Open the Wireless Network Mode drop-down menu and select Disabled.
 
 STEP 5
 
 Click Save settings.
 
 
 Still leaves me with my sons backup relationship between his Macbook and 
 Sparesebundle being broken. Can i re-establish that relationship or must I 
 delete the sparesebundle and rebuild from scratch?
 
 You need to sort out the Airport Time Capsule Dual- Band Network first.
 Then setup the Time Machine backup 
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 Regards
 
 
 Pete
 
 On 22 Feb 2015, at 4:17 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 A perhaps contributing factor is the fact that my modem also has its own 
 wireless network which it setsup called linksys. 
 
 Why do you have TWO Wireless Networks? 
 
 I remember helping you ages ago and sending you details how to 'Setup a 
 Single - Simultaneous Dual-Band 802.11n Wi-Fi Network on Time Capsule, 
 that uses both the 2.4GHz and 5GHz bands simultaneously...
 
 What Time Machine backup error message has been showing on your Son's 
 MacBook?
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
   
 On 22 Feb 2015, at 10:11 am, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au 
 wrote:
 
 Good morning, my sons Macbook seems to constantly loose connection to 
 the sparsebundle file previously created and backed up from his Macbook. 
 
 Just yesterday morning I realised, there was no sparesebundle file at 
 all on the TC so set about doing a full backup. It took 8 hours not 
 surprisingly for a 260GB backup. No problem it backed up fine and came 
 to the end of the backup.
 
 A perhaps contributing factor is the fact that my modem also has its own 
 wireless network which it setsup called linksys. I've reset his 
 network priority now so that it connects to the 5GHz WiFi from the TC 
 (and not the Linksys). But is it this connection and subsequent attempts 
 to do backups which it would be unable to connect to which has broken 
 the link?
 
 So, do I blow away the old sparesebundle and re do a full backup from 
 scratch (another 8 hours

Re: Time Machine Backup file connection

[Peter Crisp]

Ok, sorry been pretty busy today. I sorted out the Linksys so no longer an 
issue there. Will investigate the dual band thing on the TC. It was so long ago 
that you helped me with this Ronni that I can't recall. Tonight I'll have a 
look see. Though the other Macbooks in the house still continue to print quite 
alright. I am unsure if the Epson printer TX710W is a 2.5GHz device or 5GHz. 

Will have a look into the TC config then.

Regards


Pete

 On 22 Feb 2015, at 6:50 pm, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 My comments in Situ below.
 
 On 22 Feb 2015, at 4:40 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni, the two wireless networks are simply that my modem has its own 
 wireless network (my Linksys modem) and the one network I have from my TC. 
 It is set up as a 5GHz network. 
 
 You need to setup the Time Capsule Network as Dual-Band Wi-Fi 2.5GHz /5GHz
 Then 2.5GHz devices will automatically connect to the 2.5GHz band and 
 computers  devices that use 5GHz band will automatically connect to the 5GHz 
 mode of the Airport Network.
 
 I simply haven't got around to changing the settings on the Linksys to 
 disable the wifi network. As I periodically do a reboot of the entire 
 network, the Linksys resets and as the devices in the house go looking for 
 networks, if the linksys boots up before the TC, then even if the network 
 priority is set as TC network first, if it isn't yet established the units 
 will connect to the Linksys first. So I will figure out how to get into the 
 Linksys and disable Wifi.
 
 Disable wireless on Linksys should be similar to this:
 STEP 1
 
 Open a Web browser.
 
 STEP 2
 
 Navigate to the IP address of your router. The default address for Linksys 
 routers is 192.168.1.1. Enter your router admin name and password.
 
 STEP 3
 
 Click on Wireless.
 
 STEP 4
 
 Open the Wireless Network Mode drop-down menu and select Disabled.
 
 STEP 5
 
 Click Save settings.
 
 
 Still leaves me with my sons backup relationship between his Macbook and 
 Sparesebundle being broken. Can i re-establish that relationship or must I 
 delete the sparesebundle and rebuild from scratch?
 
 You need to sort out the Airport Time Capsule Dual- Band Network first.
 Then setup the Time Machine backup 
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 Regards
 
 
 Pete
 
 On 22 Feb 2015, at 4:17 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 A perhaps contributing factor is the fact that my modem also has its own 
 wireless network which it setsup called linksys. 
 
 Why do you have TWO Wireless Networks? 
 
 I remember helping you ages ago and sending you details how to 'Setup a 
 Single - Simultaneous Dual-Band 802.11n Wi-Fi Network on Time Capsule, that 
 uses both the 2.4GHz and 5GHz bands simultaneously...
 
 What Time Machine backup error message has been showing on your Son's 
 MacBook?
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
   
 On 22 Feb 2015, at 10:11 am, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Good morning, my sons Macbook seems to constantly loose connection to the 
 sparsebundle file previously created and backed up from his Macbook. 
 
 Just yesterday morning I realised, there was no sparesebundle file at all 
 on the TC so set about doing a full backup. It took 8 hours not 
 surprisingly for a 260GB backup. No problem it backed up fine and came to 
 the end of the backup.
 
 A perhaps contributing factor is the fact that my modem also has its own 
 wireless network which it setsup called linksys. I've reset his network 
 priority now so that it connects to the 5GHz WiFi from the TC (and not the 
 Linksys). But is it this connection and subsequent attempts to do backups 
 which it would be unable to connect to which has broken the link?
 
 So, do I blow away the old sparesebundle and re do a full backup from 
 scratch (another 8 hours) or is there a way to point the Macbook to use 
 the sparsebundle file that is there with name reflecting his computer name 
 and say use this one please!
 
 Regards
 
 
 Pete
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Re: Time Machine Backup file connection

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Peter,

 A perhaps contributing factor is the fact that my modem also has its own 
 wireless network which it setsup called linksys. 

Why do you have TWO Wireless Networks? 

I remember helping you ages ago and sending you details how to 'Setup a Single 
- Simultaneous Dual-Band 802.11n Wi-Fi Network on Time Capsule, that uses both 
the 2.4GHz and 5GHz bands simultaneously...

What Time Machine backup error message has been showing on your Son's MacBook?

Cheers,
Ronni
  
 On 22 Feb 2015, at 10:11 am, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Good morning, my sons Macbook seems to constantly loose connection to the 
 sparsebundle file previously created and backed up from his Macbook. 
 
 Just yesterday morning I realised, there was no sparesebundle file at all on 
 the TC so set about doing a full backup. It took 8 hours not surprisingly for 
 a 260GB backup. No problem it backed up fine and came to the end of the 
 backup.
 
 A perhaps contributing factor is the fact that my modem also has its own 
 wireless network which it setsup called linksys. I've reset his network 
 priority now so that it connects to the 5GHz WiFi from the TC (and not the 
 Linksys). But is it this connection and subsequent attempts to do backups 
 which it would be unable to connect to which has broken the link?
 
 So, do I blow away the old sparesebundle and re do a full backup from scratch 
 (another 8 hours) or is there a way to point the Macbook to use the 
 sparsebundle file that is there with name reflecting his computer name and 
 say use this one please!
 
 Regards
 
 
 Pete

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Re: Time Machine Backup file connection

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Peter,

My comments in Situ below.

 On 22 Feb 2015, at 4:40 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni, the two wireless networks are simply that my modem has its own 
 wireless network (my Linksys modem) and the one network I have from my TC. It 
 is set up as a 5GHz network. 

You need to setup the Time Capsule Network as Dual-Band Wi-Fi 2.5GHz /5GHz
Then 2.5GHz devices will automatically connect to the 2.5GHz band and computers 
 devices that use 5GHz band will automatically connect to the 5GHz mode of the 
Airport Network.
 
 I simply haven't got around to changing the settings on the Linksys to 
 disable the wifi network. As I periodically do a reboot of the entire 
 network, the Linksys resets and as the devices in the house go looking for 
 networks, if the linksys boots up before the TC, then even if the network 
 priority is set as TC network first, if it isn't yet established the units 
 will connect to the Linksys first. So I will figure out how to get into the 
 Linksys and disable Wifi.

Disable wireless on Linksys should be similar to this:
STEP 1

Open a Web browser.

STEP 2

Navigate to the IP address of your router. The default address for Linksys 
routers is 192.168.1.1. Enter your router admin name and password.

STEP 3

Click on Wireless.

STEP 4

Open the Wireless Network Mode drop-down menu and select Disabled.

STEP 5

Click Save settings.


 Still leaves me with my sons backup relationship between his Macbook and 
 Sparesebundle being broken. Can i re-establish that relationship or must I 
 delete the sparesebundle and rebuild from scratch?

You need to sort out the Airport Time Capsule Dual- Band Network first.
Then setup the Time Machine backup 

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4

 
 Regards
 
 
 Pete
 
 On 22 Feb 2015, at 4:17 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 A perhaps contributing factor is the fact that my modem also has its own 
 wireless network which it setsup called linksys. 
 
 Why do you have TWO Wireless Networks? 
 
 I remember helping you ages ago and sending you details how to 'Setup a 
 Single - Simultaneous Dual-Band 802.11n Wi-Fi Network on Time Capsule, that 
 uses both the 2.4GHz and 5GHz bands simultaneously...
 
 What Time Machine backup error message has been showing on your Son's 
 MacBook?
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
   
 On 22 Feb 2015, at 10:11 am, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Good morning, my sons Macbook seems to constantly loose connection to the 
 sparsebundle file previously created and backed up from his Macbook. 
 
 Just yesterday morning I realised, there was no sparesebundle file at all 
 on the TC so set about doing a full backup. It took 8 hours not 
 surprisingly for a 260GB backup. No problem it backed up fine and came to 
 the end of the backup.
 
 A perhaps contributing factor is the fact that my modem also has its own 
 wireless network which it setsup called linksys. I've reset his network 
 priority now so that it connects to the 5GHz WiFi from the TC (and not the 
 Linksys). But is it this connection and subsequent attempts to do backups 
 which it would be unable to connect to which has broken the link?
 
 So, do I blow away the old sparesebundle and re do a full backup from 
 scratch (another 8 hours) or is there a way to point the Macbook to use the 
 sparsebundle file that is there with name reflecting his computer name and 
 say use this one please!
 
 Regards
 
 
 Pete
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Re: Time Machine Backup file connection

[Peter Crisp]

The message I'm getting from Tim's machine is from the Backup drop down saying 
- Waiting for first backup to finish. The sparesebundle is clearly there 
~250GB and it did finish previously.

Regards


Pete

 On 22 Feb 2015, at 4:17 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 A perhaps contributing factor is the fact that my modem also has its own 
 wireless network which it setsup called linksys. 
 
 Why do you have TWO Wireless Networks? 
 
 I remember helping you ages ago and sending you details how to 'Setup a 
 Single - Simultaneous Dual-Band 802.11n Wi-Fi Network on Time Capsule, that 
 uses both the 2.4GHz and 5GHz bands simultaneously...
 
 What Time Machine backup error message has been showing on your Son's MacBook?
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
   
 On 22 Feb 2015, at 10:11 am, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Good morning, my sons Macbook seems to constantly loose connection to the 
 sparsebundle file previously created and backed up from his Macbook. 
 
 Just yesterday morning I realised, there was no sparesebundle file at all on 
 the TC so set about doing a full backup. It took 8 hours not surprisingly 
 for a 260GB backup. No problem it backed up fine and came to the end of the 
 backup.
 
 A perhaps contributing factor is the fact that my modem also has its own 
 wireless network which it setsup called linksys. I've reset his network 
 priority now so that it connects to the 5GHz WiFi from the TC (and not the 
 Linksys). But is it this connection and subsequent attempts to do backups 
 which it would be unable to connect to which has broken the link?
 
 So, do I blow away the old sparesebundle and re do a full backup from 
 scratch (another 8 hours) or is there a way to point the Macbook to use the 
 sparsebundle file that is there with name reflecting his computer name and 
 say use this one please!
 
 Regards
 
 
 Pete
 
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Re: Time Machine Backup file connection

[Peter Crisp]

Hi Ronni, the two wireless networks are simply that my modem has its own 
wireless network (my Linksys modem) and the one network I have from my TC. It 
is set up as a 5GHz network. 

I simply haven't got around to changing the settings on the Linksys to disable 
the wifi network. As I periodically do a reboot of the entire network, the 
Linksys resets and as the devices in the house go looking for networks, if the 
linksys boots up before the TC, then even if the network priority is set as TC 
network first, if it isn't yet established the units will connect to the 
Linksys first. So I will figure out how to get into the Linksys and disable 
Wifi.

Still leaves me with my sons backup relationship between his Macbook and 
Sparesebundle being broken. Can i re-establish that relationship or must I 
delete the sparesebundle and rebuild from scratch?

Regards


Pete

 On 22 Feb 2015, at 4:17 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 A perhaps contributing factor is the fact that my modem also has its own 
 wireless network which it setsup called linksys. 
 
 Why do you have TWO Wireless Networks? 
 
 I remember helping you ages ago and sending you details how to 'Setup a 
 Single - Simultaneous Dual-Band 802.11n Wi-Fi Network on Time Capsule, that 
 uses both the 2.4GHz and 5GHz bands simultaneously...
 
 What Time Machine backup error message has been showing on your Son's MacBook?
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
   
 On 22 Feb 2015, at 10:11 am, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Good morning, my sons Macbook seems to constantly loose connection to the 
 sparsebundle file previously created and backed up from his Macbook. 
 
 Just yesterday morning I realised, there was no sparesebundle file at all on 
 the TC so set about doing a full backup. It took 8 hours not surprisingly 
 for a 260GB backup. No problem it backed up fine and came to the end of the 
 backup.
 
 A perhaps contributing factor is the fact that my modem also has its own 
 wireless network which it setsup called linksys. I've reset his network 
 priority now so that it connects to the 5GHz WiFi from the TC (and not the 
 Linksys). But is it this connection and subsequent attempts to do backups 
 which it would be unable to connect to which has broken the link?
 
 So, do I blow away the old sparesebundle and re do a full backup from 
 scratch (another 8 hours) or is there a way to point the Macbook to use the 
 sparsebundle file that is there with name reflecting his computer name and 
 say use this one please!
 
 Regards
 
 
 Pete
 
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Time Machine Backup file connection

[Peter Crisp]

Good morning, my sons Macbook seems to constantly loose connection to the 
sparsebundle file previously created and backed up from his Macbook. 

Just yesterday morning I realised, there was no sparesebundle file at all on 
the TC so set about doing a full backup. It took 8 hours not surprisingly for a 
260GB backup. No problem it backed up fine and came to the end of the backup.

A perhaps contributing factor is the fact that my modem also has its own 
wireless network which it setsup called linksys. I've reset his network 
priority now so that it connects to the 5GHz WiFi from the TC (and not the 
Linksys). But is it this connection and subsequent attempts to do backups which 
it would be unable to connect to which has broken the link?

So, do I blow away the old sparesebundle and re do a full backup from scratch 
(another 8 hours) or is there a way to point the Macbook to use the 
sparsebundle file that is there with name reflecting his computer name and say 
use this one please!

Regards


Pete
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Re: Time Machine Backup Fails

[Alan Smith]

Update - system has “come good”.The latest attempt of the initial Time 
Machine backup worked!   (Just finished!)   

Reading the fine print of the previous Apple crash reports showed the cause was 
kernel panic, with different possible triggers.  I had spent the morning 
perusing the Apple Support docs for kernel panic, OS X recovery and creating a 
copy of OS X on an external USB drive.  First task was to ensure I had a clean 
desk and create another SuperDuper bootable backup.  

Apple recommended closing all apps while tracing the source of kernel panic 
(suggesting the fault may lie with third party apps).  I kept Console and 
Preview open but forgot about Growl and Dropbox and possible other hidden apps. 
  I may have had Safari launched during previous attempts at Time Machine 
backup.

Well, I cried “wolf”, but I really think the beast must still be lurking there 
somewhere.  I will now clean up some of the odd things logged by Console, 
including iMovie, Microsoft Office, and Citrix GoToMeeting apps.

Cheers
Alan



On 10 Dec 2014, at 3:47 pm, Alan Smith sma...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 Hello Wamug people
 
 MacWorx fitted a new 1TB hard drive and Mavericks 9.2 to my 21.5 inch late 
 2009 iMac.   But strange things now occur, including system crashes at about 
 the 45 minute mark during the Time Machine backup to Time Capsule.
 
 The new backup fails to complete, and the same result with subseqent 
 attempts.  Gets about half way through a 40GB backup.  Each time the iMac has 
 “shut down because of a problem” and automatically restarts.   There were 
 four Console log messages from “kernel”  just before the re-boot from the 
 latest attempt:
 Log 1)   … failed to inflate in one pass: -3
 Log 2)   … Apple FS Compression  …  decompress chunk 144:  error
 Log 3)   … Chunking decompressor (path to fonts and Chinese(?) characters: 
 error
 Log 4)   … decmpfs … err -1
 
 I did an SMC Reset before the last Time Machine attempt.  The auto-start had 
 failed on its scheduled time, so I checked the manual “Backup Now” option.
 
 What was done before turning on Time Machine:- I had purged the old 
 sparsebundle from TC.  I had no problems with the basic iMac setup.I used 
 Setup Assistant to transfer everything from a SuperDuper backup made in late 
 October, a month before the iMac first failed.  Spotlight had apparently 
 finished indexing very quickly - it allowed searches - but I never noticed 
 the “pulsing light” in the icon, or a drop down message.  I turned Time 
 Machine off; set sleep to never, and ran Software Update to 10.9.5 plus the 
 later Safari and Security updates.  I removed old files, folders and iTunes 
 content to create a mean and lean iMac.  Various re-starts throughout the 
 process.
 
 Did Permissions Repair.  Huge list.   Ran again, (and again) - another huge 
 list.  Are these the same files or does it fix a batch each time the utility 
 is run?  The bulk of the messages started “ACL found but not expected on …”.  
   Got the “permissions repair complete” message each time though.
 
 I erased Spotlight data and forced a new indexation, following steps in an 
 Apple Support paper. New index took about an hour to complete.
 
 Then tried Time Machine backup 2 - and then 3.  I got a TM message advising 
 it has completed verification of the old backup but will need to create a new 
 full backup.  Hence I did not erase the old sparsebundles manually.
 
 Some additional info, but probably outside the main problem.  About 15 
 minutes into the Backup procedure, Console records about 1500 entries in one 
 minute with the same detail referring to Sandbox mdworker deny 
 file-read-data with path to Microsoft Office … 
 ClipArt/Photos.localized/.localized”.   I can follow that up later.
 
 Time Machine backups from the 2012 iMac appear to be successful.  These are 
 mostly small backups, so its sparsebundle doesn’t require much ”inflation” to 
 include more data!  TC has around 1.5 TB spare space.
 
 I had hoped to inform wamug of the successful outcome of my 2009 iMac saga 
 following the correct remote analysis from both Ronni B and Bob H that the 
 hard disk had most likely failed.  Instead of a conclusion, I now have a 
 sequel … More help please!
 
 
 Regards, 
 Alan
 
 Alan Smith
 Late 2012 iMac 27 Intel Quad Core i5  Fusion 3.2GHz 8G RAM - OSX 10.9.5 
 Mavericks
 Late 2009 iMac 21.5 Intel Core 2 Duo 3.06GHz 12G RAM - OSX 10.9.5 Mavericks
 iPhone5;  iPad2;  ATV2
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Time Machine Backup Fails

[Alan Smith]

Hello Wamug people

MacWorx fitted a new 1TB hard drive and Mavericks 9.2 to my 21.5 inch late 2009 
iMac.   But strange things now occur, including system crashes at about the 45 
minute mark during the Time Machine backup to Time Capsule.

The new backup fails to complete, and the same result with subseqent attempts.  
Gets about half way through a 40GB backup.  Each time the iMac has “shut down 
because of a problem” and automatically restarts.   There were four Console log 
messages from “kernel”  just before the re-boot from the latest attempt:
 Log 1)   … failed to inflate in one pass: -3
 Log 2)   … Apple FS Compression  …  decompress chunk 144:  error
 Log 3)   … Chunking decompressor (path to fonts and Chinese(?) characters: 
error
 Log 4)   … decmpfs … err -1

I did an SMC Reset before the last Time Machine attempt.  The auto-start had 
failed on its scheduled time, so I checked the manual “Backup Now” option.

What was done before turning on Time Machine:- I had purged the old 
sparsebundle from TC.  I had no problems with the basic iMac setup.I used 
Setup Assistant to transfer everything from a SuperDuper backup made in late 
October, a month before the iMac first failed.  Spotlight had apparently 
finished indexing very quickly - it allowed searches - but I never noticed the 
“pulsing light” in the icon, or a drop down message.  I turned Time Machine 
off; set sleep to never, and ran Software Update to 10.9.5 plus the later 
Safari and Security updates.  I removed old files, folders and iTunes content 
to create a mean and lean iMac.  Various re-starts throughout the process.

Did Permissions Repair.  Huge list.   Ran again, (and again) - another huge 
list.  Are these the same files or does it fix a batch each time the utility is 
run?  The bulk of the messages started “ACL found but not expected on …”.
Got the “permissions repair complete” message each time though.

I erased Spotlight data and forced a new indexation, following steps in an 
Apple Support paper. New index took about an hour to complete.

Then tried Time Machine backup 2 - and then 3.  I got a TM message advising it 
has completed verification of the old backup but will need to create a new full 
backup.  Hence I did not erase the old sparsebundles manually.

Some additional info, but probably outside the main problem.  About 15 minutes 
into the Backup procedure, Console records about 1500 entries in one minute 
with the same detail referring to Sandbox mdworker deny file-read-data with 
path to Microsoft Office … ClipArt/Photos.localized/.localized”.   I can follow 
that up later.

Time Machine backups from the 2012 iMac appear to be successful.  These are 
mostly small backups, so its sparsebundle doesn’t require much ”inflation” to 
include more data!  TC has around 1.5 TB spare space.

I had hoped to inform wamug of the successful outcome of my 2009 iMac saga 
following the correct remote analysis from both Ronni B and Bob H that the hard 
disk had most likely failed.  Instead of a conclusion, I now have a sequel …
 More help please!


Regards, 
Alan

Alan Smith
 Late 2012 iMac 27 Intel Quad Core i5  Fusion 3.2GHz 8G RAM - OSX 10.9.5 
Mavericks
 Late 2009 iMac 21.5 Intel Core 2 Duo 3.06GHz 12G RAM - OSX 10.9.5 Mavericks
 iPhone5;  iPad2;  ATV2
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Re: Yosemite - Time Machine backup

[Severin Crisp]

It runs in the family!   After installing Yosemite, my backup has increased 
from 630GB to 1.3TB!
Severin Crisp

 On 21 Oct 2014, at 1:20 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 I then shut down iTunes in readiness for kicking off the backup. When I 
 switched on TM, it commences by Preparing Backup, I expected this to take 
 a while and it did. A while later I got an error message saying backup drive 
 too small for this backup. I was expecting an incremental backup not a full 
 backup of the ~720GB of data I have all over again. I thought here we go 
 again. 
 
 I took a look in Finder at the Sparesebundle file and there was a 4.5GB 
 sparsebundle file there and no sign of the previous ~630GB Mavericks based 
 Sparesebundle. 
 
 I've never known anyone to have so many problems/issues with Time Machine 
 backups / Time Capsule as you're experienced.
 I have used Time Machine first on a 2TB Time Capsule before changing to a 3TB 
 Time Capsule with my current backups history going back to January 2012.
 I've never had any problems with my 'Simultaneous Dual-Band 802.11n Wi-Fi 
 Network' or 'Time Machine backups' to either Time Capsule.
 
 I did a final SD Bootable Backup  a TM Backup prior to installing Yosemite 
 (as I always do before any upgrade of the OS).
 I kept TWO copies of the 5.17GB  Install OS X Yosemite.app - one on my 
 Desktop that I used to install Yosemite and another copy in my Installers 
 Folder.
 After installation completed I went through the normal steps of signing in to 
 Apple ID/iCloud/Messages etc - updating databases (by opening all Apple 
 Apps), upgrading applications, repairing permissions, and testing that 
 everything worked correctly for a couple of days before turning on Time 
 Machine to backup.
 
 Time Machine 'Preparing Backup' took a bit longer than normal (as expected) 
 as it read the new operating system, plus TM had not backed up for two days. 
 The backup went ahead and completed without any problem. The backup was 
 31.90GB (which is what I expected).
 I tested the backup to see the changes I had made working for two days and 
 all was correct.
 
 So I don't have any idea 'why' or  'how' your previous  ~630GB Mavericks Time 
 Machine backup  'Sparsebundle' was deleted... A Sparsebundle does not delete 
 itself!!
 And what the heck is the 4.5GB Sparsebundle?  did you have anything 
 connected to your Mac?
 
 Your son's 13GB sounds fair - the Yosemite operating system is 8-10GB, I 
 noticed my HD 'Used': space had increased quite significantly after the 
 installation.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt
 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
 
 OS X 10.10 Yosemite
 Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
 
 
 On 20 Oct 2014, at 3:08 pm, petercr...@westnet.com.au 
 mailto:petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi, across the weekend I did the Yosemite upgrade and it all went seamlessly 
 onto my 2014 MBP 13 Retina. As some may recall, I have previously had a 
 couple of issues with Time Machine backups during non-related activities. 
 Prior to doing the upgrade to Yosemite, I forced a backup with the TC which 
 completed successfully. I then turned off Time Machine.
 
 Then I did the Update process with the machine connected via my recently 
 acquired Ethernet adapter. All this went fine. After the download and prior 
 to doing the install, I dragged the dmg file to my desktop so it wouldn't 
 auto delete and then copied the dmg to a drive connected via my USB hub 
 attached to my TC. All ok to here, no issues. Then did the update of the MBP 
 to Yosemite, this also ran with no issues (backup still turned off). Sign in 
 to iCloud all went fine too. Then i did the iTunes update, a nice new front 
 end UI, long overdue though.
 
 Then I trashed the Yosemite dmg from the desktop so as not to have a further 
 5GB included in the backup when I had held over another copy of it 
 independently.
 
 I then shut down iTunes in readiness for kicking off the backup. When I 
 switched on TM, it commences by Preparing Backup, I expected this to take 
 a while and it did. A while later I got an error message saying backup drive 
 too small for this backup. I was expecting an incremental backup not a full 
 backup of the ~720GB of data I have all over again. I thought here we go 
 again. 
 
 I took a look in Finder at the Sparesebundle file and there was a 4.5GB 
 sparsebundle file there and no sign of the previous ~630GB Mavericks based 
 Sparesebundle. 
 
 I probably did something wrong but wasn't too bothered as the Sparsebundle 
 was only a month old having previously deleted the Sparesebundle and rebuilt 
 from scratch just a month ago when I had the previous problem following a 
 Dropbox/Backup clash I caused.
 
 I am curious to know if there is anyone else who had a similar experience 
 with the Yosemite backup or might have a clue as to what I did wrong. .
 
 By contrast my 11yo son, did his update (on his 2012,13 MBP non-retina

Re: Yosemite - Time Machine backup

[petercrisp]

Ok, thanks for that Ronni. Yes I feel too that I have a
disproportionate number of issues and likely to be caused by me. My
Dad also indicated a doubling in size of his Saprsebundle (700GB to
~1.4TB) following the first backup following his Yosemite upgrade.
I had my external drive attached as I always do which contains my
iTunes and iPhoto libraries. Perhaps if I did a MBP backup first
WITHOUT the external drive attached and then introduced the external
drive afterwards that may have made a difference.  
Fortunately it is all academic now as I blew away the Sparesbundle and
in the process of rebuilding from scratch (it was in the process still
this morning when I left for work (at around 550 of 725GB)) so
hopefully completed when I return home tonight.
On the upside I like the refreshing new look of Yosemite and the
lovely mountain scenes from Yosemite National Park included in the
desktop image library.
Regards
Pete...

- Original Message -
From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:WAMUG 
Cc:
Sent:Tue, 21 Oct 2014 13:20:50 +0800
Subject:Re: Yosemite - Time Machine backup

 Hi Peter, 
  I then shut down iTunes in readiness for kicking off the backup.
When I switched on TM, it commences by Preparing Backup, I expected
this to take a while and it did. A while later I got an error message
saying backup drive too small for this backup. I was expecting an
incremental backup not a full backup of the ~720GB of data I have all
over again. I thought here we go again.  
 I took a look in Finder at the Sparesebundle file and there was a
4.5GB sparsebundle file there and no sign of the previous ~630GB
Mavericks based Sparesebundle.   
 I've never known anyone to have so many problems/issues with Time
Machine backups / Time Capsule as you're experienced. I have used Time
Machine first on a 2TB Time Capsule before changing to a 3TB Time
Capsule with my current backups history going back to January 2012.
I've never had any problems with my 'Simultaneous Dual-Band 802.11n
Wi-Fi Network' or 'Time Machine backups' to either Time Capsule. 
 I did a final SD Bootable Backup  a TM Backup prior to installing
Yosemite (as I always do before any upgrade of the OS). I kept TWO
copies of the 5.17GB  Install OS X Yosemite.app - one on my Desktop
that I used to install Yosemite and another copy in my Installers
Folder. After installation completed I went through the normal steps
of signing in to Apple ID/iCloud/Messages etc - updating databases (by
opening all Apple Apps), upgrading applications, repairing
permissions, and testing that everything worked correctly for a couple
of days before turning on Time Machine to backup. 
 Time Machine 'Preparing Backup' took a bit longer than normal (as
expected) as it read the new operating system, plus TM had not backed
up for two days. The backup went ahead and completed without any
problem. The backup was 31.90GB (which is what I expected). I tested
the backup to see the changes I had made working for two days and all
was correct. 
 So I don't have any idea 'why' or  'how' your previous  ~630GB
Mavericks Time Machine backup  'Sparsebundle' was deleted... A
Sparsebundle does not delete itself!! And what the heck is the 4.5GB
Sparsebundle?  did you have anything connected to your Mac? 
 Your son's 13GB sounds fair - the Yosemite operating system is
8-10GB, I noticed my HD 'Used': space had increased quite
significantly after the installation. 
 Cheers,   Ronni

17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt
2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

OS X 1010 Yosemite
Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)

 On 20 Oct 2014, at 3:08 pm, petercr...@westnet.com.au [1] wrote: 
Hi, across the weekend I did the Yosemite upgrade and it all went
seamlessly onto my 2014 MBP 13 Retina. As some may recall, I have
previously had a couple of issues with Time Machine backups during
non-related activities. Prior to doing the upgrade to Yosemite, I
forced a backup with the TC which completed successfully. I then
turned off Time Machine.
 Then I did the Update process with the machine connected via my
recently acquired Ethernet adapter. All this went fine. After the
download and prior to doing the install, I dragged the dmg file to my
desktop so it wouldn't auto delete and then _copied _the dmg to a
drive connected via my USB hub attached to my TC. All ok to here, no
issues. Then did the update of the MBP to Yosemite, this also ran with
no issues (backup still turned off). Sign in to iCloud all went fine
too. Then i did the iTunes update, a nice new front end UI, long
overdue though. 
 Then I trashed the Yosemite dmg from the desktop so as not to have a
further 5GB included in the backup when I had held over another copy
of it independently. 
 I then shut down iTunes in readiness for kicking off the backup. When
I switched on TM, it commences by Preparing Backup, I expected this
to take a while and it did. A while later I got an error message
saying backup drive too small for this backup. I was expecting

Yosemite - Time Machine backup

[petercrisp]

Hi, across the weekend I did the Yosemite upgrade and it all went
seamlessly onto my 2014 MBP 13 Retina. As some may recall, I have
previously had a couple of issues with Time Machine backups during
non-related activities. Prior to doing the upgrade to Yosemite, I
forced a backup with the TC which completed successfully. I then
turned off Time Machine.
Then I did the Update process with the machine connected via my
recently acquired Ethernet adapter. All this went fine. After the
download and prior to doing the install, I dragged the dmg file to my
desktop so it wouldn't auto delete and then _copied _the dmg to a
drive connected via my USB hub attached to my TC. All ok to here, no
issues Then did the update of the MBP to Yosemite, this also ran with
no issues (backup still turned off). Sign in to iCloud all went fine
too. Then i did the iTunes update, a nice new front end UI, long
overdue though.
Then I trashed the Yosemite dmg from the desktop so as not to have a
further 5GB included in the backup when I had held over another copy
of it independently.
I then shut down iTunes in readiness for kicking off the backup. When
I switched on TM, it commences by Preparing Backup, I expected this
to take a while and it did. A while later I got an error message
saying backup drive too small for this backup. I was expecting an
incremental backup not a full backup of the ~720GB of data I have all
over again. I thought here we go again. 
I took a look in Finder at the Sparesebundle file and there was a
4.5GB sparsebundle file there and no sign of the previous ~630GB
Mavericks based Sparesebundle. 
I probably did something wrong but wasn't too bothered as the
Sparsebundle was only a month old having previously deleted the
Sparesebundle and rebuilt from scratch just a month ago when I had the
previous problem following a Dropbox/Backup clash I caused
I am curious to know if there is anyone else who had a similar
experience with the Yosemite backup or might have a clue as to what I
did wrong. .
By contrast my 11yo son, did his update (on his 2012,13 MBP
non-retina) and then TM update was ~13GB without issue. Still a big
backup.
Regards
Pete.


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Re: Yosemite - Time Machine backup

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Peter,

 I then shut down iTunes in readiness for kicking off the backup. When I 
 switched on TM, it commences by Preparing Backup, I expected this to take a 
 while and it did. A while later I got an error message saying backup drive 
 too small for this backup. I was expecting an incremental backup not a full 
 backup of the ~720GB of data I have all over again. I thought here we go 
 again. 
 
 I took a look in Finder at the Sparesebundle file and there was a 4.5GB 
 sparsebundle file there and no sign of the previous ~630GB Mavericks based 
 Sparesebundle. 

I've never known anyone to have so many problems/issues with Time Machine 
backups / Time Capsule as you're experienced.
I have used Time Machine first on a 2TB Time Capsule before changing to a 3TB 
Time Capsule with my current backups history going back to January 2012.
I've never had any problems with my 'Simultaneous Dual-Band 802.11n Wi-Fi 
Network' or 'Time Machine backups' to either Time Capsule.

I did a final SD Bootable Backup  a TM Backup prior to installing Yosemite (as 
I always do before any upgrade of the OS).
I kept TWO copies of the 5.17GB  Install OS X Yosemite.app - one on my 
Desktop that I used to install Yosemite and another copy in my Installers 
Folder.
After installation completed I went through the normal steps of signing in to 
Apple ID/iCloud/Messages etc - updating databases (by opening all Apple Apps), 
upgrading applications, repairing permissions, and testing that everything 
worked correctly for a couple of days before turning on Time Machine to backup.

Time Machine 'Preparing Backup' took a bit longer than normal (as expected) as 
it read the new operating system, plus TM had not backed up for two days. The 
backup went ahead and completed without any problem. The backup was 31.90GB 
(which is what I expected).
I tested the backup to see the changes I had made working for two days and all 
was correct.

So I don't have any idea 'why' or  'how' your previous  ~630GB Mavericks Time 
Machine backup  'Sparsebundle' was deleted... A Sparsebundle does not delete 
itself!!
And what the heck is the 4.5GB Sparsebundle?  did you have anything 
connected to your Mac?

Your son's 13GB sounds fair - the Yosemite operating system is 8-10GB, I 
noticed my HD 'Used': space had increased quite significantly after the 
installation.

Cheers,
Ronni

17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt
2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

OS X 10.10 Yosemite
Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)


 On 20 Oct 2014, at 3:08 pm, petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi, across the weekend I did the Yosemite upgrade and it all went seamlessly 
 onto my 2014 MBP 13 Retina. As some may recall, I have previously had a 
 couple of issues with Time Machine backups during non-related activities. 
 Prior to doing the upgrade to Yosemite, I forced a backup with the TC which 
 completed successfully. I then turned off Time Machine.
 
 Then I did the Update process with the machine connected via my recently 
 acquired Ethernet adapter. All this went fine. After the download and prior 
 to doing the install, I dragged the dmg file to my desktop so it wouldn't 
 auto delete and then copied the dmg to a drive connected via my USB hub 
 attached to my TC. All ok to here, no issues. Then did the update of the MBP 
 to Yosemite, this also ran with no issues (backup still turned off). Sign in 
 to iCloud all went fine too. Then i did the iTunes update, a nice new front 
 end UI, long overdue though.
 
 Then I trashed the Yosemite dmg from the desktop so as not to have a further 
 5GB included in the backup when I had held over another copy of it 
 independently.
 
 I then shut down iTunes in readiness for kicking off the backup. When I 
 switched on TM, it commences by Preparing Backup, I expected this to take a 
 while and it did. A while later I got an error message saying backup drive 
 too small for this backup. I was expecting an incremental backup not a full 
 backup of the ~720GB of data I have all over again. I thought here we go 
 again. 
 
 I took a look in Finder at the Sparesebundle file and there was a 4.5GB 
 sparsebundle file there and no sign of the previous ~630GB Mavericks based 
 Sparesebundle. 
 
 I probably did something wrong but wasn't too bothered as the Sparsebundle 
 was only a month old having previously deleted the Sparesebundle and rebuilt 
 from scratch just a month ago when I had the previous problem following a 
 Dropbox/Backup clash I caused.
 
 I am curious to know if there is anyone else who had a similar experience 
 with the Yosemite backup or might have a clue as to what I did wrong. .
 
 By contrast my 11yo son, did his update (on his 2012,13 MBP non-retina) and 
 then TM update was ~13GB without issue. Still a big backup.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete.
 

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Re: Enormous Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Thanks for that Ronni, I'm on the road at the moment up north so detailed 
response to all your questions tomorrow. 

I've learnt from your last sentence though that iphoto must be quit to do a 
backup of any new content in it. I didn't know that. 

Also let me confirm my configuration. My iphoto library is contained on an 
external drive connected via USB all the time to the MBP. The Time Capsule has 
a powered hub connected to its usb port and the backup 1TB drive is connected 
to the hub. So while it is wireless between MBP and the TC, all drives are 
connected via USB. Sorry if I wasn't clear on this before and it may be that 
misunderstanding which confuses the issue here. I hope is clear now. 

Regards

Pete. 




div Original message /divdivFrom: Ronni Brown 
ro...@mac.com /divdivDate:16/09/2014  11:46  (GMT+08:00) /divdivTo: 
WAMUG wamug@wamug.org.au /divdivSubject: Re: Enormous Time Machine backup 
/divdiv
/divHi Peter,

I don't really know why Time Machine did a 'full' backup of the iPhoto Library. 
What size was the next Time Machine backup (the one after the full backup)... 
was it a incremental backup?

I'll first try to explain my previous comment: 
 You can backup iPhoto wirelessly, that's not a problem. It's using it 
wirelessly that has potential risks.

I don't like storing the iPhoto Library on a wireless drive like you have. I am 
aware you have it connected via a powered hub which does help. You can backup 
the iPhoto Library wirelessly, that is fine. However, if you are doing anything 
that involves actual management - adding to the iPhoto library, organising, 
editing shots and so on, then definitely not. A drop out on the network will 
cause issues.
The network connection will not only be slow, there is additionally a 
significant risk of a temporary connection loss when the iPhoto application is 
writing to the iPhoto library, which can easily corrupt the entire image 
library.
Even scrolling through your photos requires a lot of data transfer.

iTunes, on the other hand, works fine. You don’t “see” the music all at once, 
so it can stream files from a Wi-Fi drive without much issue.
---
Hmmm So what caused Time Machine to do a 'Full' backup of iPhoto?
1. Was iPhoto 'Quit' after you imported the video file into iPhoto?
2. Was Time Machine 'Turned OFF' in System Preferences when you were uploading 
the Video to Dropbox?
If TM was left 'ON'
3. Was Time Machine doing a backup during any of this activity?
4. From what you mentioned earlier, you left Dropbox uploading and went to bed. 
Was the MBP set to never sleep during this time or would the computer have gone 
to sleep?

We might be able to sort out why TM did a full backup of iPhoto, with 
additional information as to what happened during the above activity.
You do realise that Time Machine will not backup iPhoto if iPhoto is open. 
iPhoto must to 'Quit' first for TM to back it up.

Cheers,
Ronni

On 15 Sep 2014, at 11:21 am, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:

Hi Neil,

You are correct. The  Time Capsule - Time Machine sparsebundle is not a huge 
single file. 
I did realize  after I sent my quick reply last night that I had not worded my 
reply accurately and was going to explain further today... but my work time 
today has not allowed me to as yet.

Peter had a lot going on at the same time - with Data being uploaded to 
Dropbox, Dropbox probably syncing, Time Machine backing up... All this was 
happening wirelessly. 
I will try to clarify later today (when I finish work or find a break in the 
day) that there can be problems working wirelessly with an iPhoto Library.  You 
can backup iPhoto wirelessly, that's not a problem. It's using it wirelessly 
that has potential risks.

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4


On 15 Sep 2014, at 10:17 am, Neil Houghton n...@possumology.com wrote:

Hi Peter, Hi Ronni,

Ronni, I thought that the difference between the old sparse disk image and the 
newer sparse bundle was that the sparse bundle is NOT a single huge file but a 
bundle of small (around 8MB) files which look to the user like one file but 
allows time machine to just back up whichever files have changed (rather than 
the whole bundle).

Obviously a video is generally much bigger than a few photos so would involve 
more of the (8mb) files and the backup would be bigger – but should not involve 
the whole iphoto library – or am I missing something?

I don’t use iphoto myself – does it do things differently?


Apologies if I have missed the point ;o)


Cheers



Neil
-- 
Neil R. Houghton
Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com



on 14/9/14 21:44, Ronda Brown at ro...@mac.com wrote:

Hi Peter,

Short answer to why Time Machine has done a larger backup of iPhoto.
You had made changes in iPhoto by importing video. Then you were uploading that 
video file to Dropbox.
You are storing your iPhoto library inside of a disk image file (sparsebundle), 
which obviously is a single (huge

Re: Enormous Time Machine backup

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Peter,

I don't really know why Time Machine did a 'full' backup of the iPhoto Library. 
What size was the next Time Machine backup (the one after the full backup)... 
was it a incremental backup?

I'll first try to explain my previous comment: 
  You can backup iPhoto wirelessly, that's not a problem. It's using it 
 wirelessly that has potential risks.

I don't like storing the iPhoto Library on a wireless drive like you have. I am 
aware you have it connected via a powered hub which does help. You can backup 
the iPhoto Library wirelessly, that is fine. However, if you are doing anything 
that involves actual management - adding to the iPhoto library, organising, 
editing shots and so on, then definitely not. A drop out on the network will 
cause issues.
The network connection will not only be slow, there is additionally a 
significant risk of a temporary connection loss when the iPhoto application is 
writing to the iPhoto library, which can easily corrupt the entire image 
library.
Even scrolling through your photos requires a lot of data transfer.

iTunes, on the other hand, works fine. You don’t “see” the music all at once, 
so it can stream files from a Wi-Fi drive without much issue.
---
Hmmm So what caused Time Machine to do a 'Full' backup of iPhoto?
1. Was iPhoto 'Quit' after you imported the video file into iPhoto?
2. Was Time Machine 'Turned OFF' in System Preferences when you were uploading 
the Video to Dropbox?
If TM was left 'ON'
3. Was Time Machine doing a backup during any of this activity?
4. From what you mentioned earlier, you left Dropbox uploading and went to bed. 
Was the MBP set to never sleep during this time or would the computer have gone 
to sleep?

We might be able to sort out why TM did a full backup of iPhoto, with 
additional information as to what happened during the above activity.
You do realise that Time Machine will not backup iPhoto if iPhoto is open. 
iPhoto must to 'Quit' first for TM to back it up.

Cheers,
Ronni

On 15 Sep 2014, at 11:21 am, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:

 Hi Neil,
 
 You are correct. The  Time Capsule - Time Machine sparsebundle is not a huge 
 single file. 
 I did realize  after I sent my quick reply last night that I had not worded 
 my reply accurately and was going to explain further today... but my work 
 time today has not allowed me to as yet.
 
 Peter had a lot going on at the same time - with Data being uploaded to 
 Dropbox, Dropbox probably syncing, Time Machine backing up... All this was 
 happening wirelessly. 
 I will try to clarify later today (when I finish work or find a break in the 
 day) that there can be problems working wirelessly with an iPhoto Library.  
 You can backup iPhoto wirelessly, that's not a problem. It's using it 
 wirelessly that has potential risks.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 15 Sep 2014, at 10:17 am, Neil Houghton n...@possumology.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter, Hi Ronni,
 
 Ronni, I thought that the difference between the old sparse disk image and 
 the newer sparse bundle was that the sparse bundle is NOT a single huge file 
 but a bundle of small (around 8MB) files which look to the user like one 
 file but allows time machine to just back up whichever files have changed 
 (rather than the whole bundle).
 
 Obviously a video is generally much bigger than a few photos so would 
 involve more of the (8mb) files and the backup would be bigger – but should 
 not involve the whole iphoto library – or am I missing something?
 
 I don’t use iphoto myself – does it do things differently?
 
 
 Apologies if I have missed the point ;o)
 
 
 Cheers
 
 
 
 Neil
 -- 
 Neil R. Houghton
 Albany, Western Australia
 Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
 Email: n...@possumology.com
 
 
 
 on 14/9/14 21:44, Ronda Brown at ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Short answer to why Time Machine has done a larger backup of iPhoto.
 You had made changes in iPhoto by importing video. Then you were uploading 
 that video file to Dropbox.
 You are storing your iPhoto library inside of a disk image file 
 (sparsebundle), which obviously is a single (huge) file. So any time the 
 disk image changes, Time Machine will back up the entire file, which in your 
 case is many gigabytes.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 14 Sep 2014, at 8:31 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni, been a bit busy and off caravanning for the weekend.
 
 But this evening I finally got the Time Tracker downloaded and within a 
 minute or so I could see the “enormous backup”. Whilst Time Machine was 
 saying it’s 175GB in size, the Actual file from Time Tracker is 148.4GB. So 
 by zooming into the BIG stuff, the culprit is iPhoto. It’s the folder called 
 “Masters” responsible for 136GB of the 148.4GB which i presume holds the 
 image Master files and the Thumbnails folder responsible for 9.6GB of the 
 148GB. 
 
 This iPhoto library has been backed up before and for months has been 
 routinely doing all

Re: Enormous Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Hi Ronni, been a bit busy and off caravanning for the weekend.

But this evening I finally got the Time Tracker downloaded and within a minute 
or so I could see the “enormous backup”. Whilst Time Machine was saying it’s 
175GB in size, the Actual file from Time Tracker is 148.4GB. So by zooming into 
the BIG stuff, the culprit is iPhoto. It’s the folder called “Masters” 
responsible for 136GB of the 148.4GB which i presume holds the image Master 
files and the Thumbnails folder responsible for 9.6GB of the 148GB. 

This iPhoto library has been backed up before and for months has been routinely 
doing all the backups normally.

Why would it trigger a Full backup of the iPhoto library all over again. I’ve 
effectively lost 175GB of space on the backup drive for seemingly no good 
reason. 

The Master folder contains beneath it a number of folders one for each year and 
each of these reports in this backup for their respective sizes I presume.

Is there anything I should do?

If I do nothing it will proceed ok but I am puzzled why this “Enormous Backup” 
had to exist.

Thanks for the tip on Time Tracker, it is a beauty.

If I blow away the old sparesebundle and rebuild a backup from scratch, I would 
recover the space but the do nothing option is easier at the moment.

Regards

Pete.


On 8 Sep 2014, at 9:46 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:

 Hi Peter,
 
 Why did you download Pacifist? I didn't mention Pacifist, you don't want 
 Pacifist!
 I said to download 'Time Tracker'
 TimeTracker
 
 TimeTracker is a quick-and-dirty application that displays the contents of 
 your Time Machine backups, and shows what's changed since the previous 
 backup. TimeTracker is in an extremely early state, and is as such very 
 unpolished.
 
 Download TimeTracker (prerelease), which works with 64-bit Intel Macs running 
 OS X 10.6.x (Snow Leopard) or greater.
 http://www.charlessoft.com/TimeTracker.zip
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 8 Sep 2014, at 9:29 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni, I have downloaded the Pacifist software and in the process of 
 Loading Pete's Macbook (ie Macbook Sparsebundle file). I don't have a 
 Thunderbolt to Ethernet connection so I've gotta do it wirelessly (but I 
 just ordered one) so I expect it will take ages to 'Load'. Oh well, 
 hopefully it will present the culprit taking up huge data volume from my TC 
 backup disc. I have stopped routine TC backups for now - nothing to loose.
 
 Whatever is the cause for this I can do one of two things. Either I 
 understand from this exercise what is the cause of this huge data 
 consumption and just leave the sparesebundle alone OR I blow away the 
 sparesebundle and do a complete backup from scratch again and manage the 
 cause of why this all happened so that I can keep the freeboard I had prior 
 to this.
 
 Regards
 
 
 Pete
 
 On 7 Sep 2014, at 7:20 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Time Tracker  is free;  it is pretty basic but usually works well.  It only 
 shows backups on the current backup destination, though, so if you've got 
 more than one, you have to select the one you want (if you're using 
 rotating backups, it's the set most recently backed-up to).
 Time Tracker works by comparing a completed backup you select to the one 
 before it. 
  
 So if you select a large backup, it’s going to take a while to determine, 
 calculate, and display the items.  
 If your backups are on a network, connect via Ethernet if possible.  
 It will still take a while, but be 2-3 times faster than WI-FI.
 
 That also means that, after 24 hours, you're not really looking at what was 
 backed-up on a particular backup, but all the backups since the previous 
 one.
 
 And you can’t select the oldest backup, since there’s nothing to compare it 
 to, or one that’s running, failed, or was cancelled.
 
 The Time Tracker display is similar to a Finder window in List View
 The dated backups will show 0 bytes until you select one, then the app will 
 calculate the size, so may take a while.  
 You can click the disclosure triangles to see the items in that folder that 
 were backed-up. 
  
 Time Tracker will only show backups on the volume currently selected for 
 backups (or most recently backed-up to) in Time Machine preferences.
 
 The recent version of Time Tracker may give you a permissions error on 
 network backups;  if it does, try double-clicking the sparse bundle via the 
 Finder to mount the disk image.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 7 Sep 2014, at 5:36 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi, I have a MacBook Pro Retina 13 256GB with a 2TB attached external 
 drive (currently with around 550GB on the external drive). I have the 
 external drive INCLUDED in my TC backups and the backup size (according to 
 the TM Options panel) is 659GB. It has been backed up for many months now 
 and routinely has been doing the updates hourly per the normal schedule. 
 The backup drive is 1TB attached via the USB with a 

Re: Enormous Time Machine backup

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Peter,

Short answer to why Time Machine has done a larger backup of iPhoto.
You had made changes in iPhoto by importing video. Then you were uploading that 
video file to Dropbox.
You are storing your iPhoto library inside of a disk image file (sparsebundle), 
which obviously is a single (huge) file. So any time the disk image changes, 
Time Machine will back up the entire file, which in your case is many gigabytes.

Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad4


 On 14 Sep 2014, at 8:31 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni, been a bit busy and off caravanning for the weekend.
 
 But this evening I finally got the Time Tracker downloaded and within a 
 minute or so I could see the “enormous backup”. Whilst Time Machine was 
 saying it’s 175GB in size, the Actual file from Time Tracker is 148.4GB. So 
 by zooming into the BIG stuff, the culprit is iPhoto. It’s the folder called 
 “Masters” responsible for 136GB of the 148.4GB which i presume holds the 
 image Master files and the Thumbnails folder responsible for 9.6GB of the 
 148GB. 
 
 This iPhoto library has been backed up before and for months has been 
 routinely doing all the backups normally.
 
 Why would it trigger a Full backup of the iPhoto library all over again. I’ve 
 effectively lost 175GB of space on the backup drive for seemingly no good 
 reason. 
 
 The Master folder contains beneath it a number of folders one for each year 
 and each of these reports in this backup for their respective sizes I presume.
 
 Is there anything I should do?
 
 If I do nothing it will proceed ok but I am puzzled why this “Enormous 
 Backup” had to exist.
 
 Thanks for the tip on Time Tracker, it is a beauty.
 
 If I blow away the old sparesebundle and rebuild a backup from scratch, I 
 would recover the space but the do nothing option is easier at the moment.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete.
 
 
 On 8 Sep 2014, at 9:46 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Why did you download Pacifist? I didn't mention Pacifist, you don't want 
 Pacifist!
 I said to download 'Time Tracker'
 TimeTracker
 
 TimeTracker is a quick-and-dirty application that displays the contents of 
 your Time Machine backups, and shows what's changed since the previous 
 backup. TimeTracker is in an extremely early state, and is as such very 
 unpolished.
 
 Download TimeTracker (prerelease), which works with 64-bit Intel Macs 
 running OS X 10.6.x (Snow Leopard) or greater.
 http://www.charlessoft.com/TimeTracker.zip
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 8 Sep 2014, at 9:29 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni, I have downloaded the Pacifist software and in the process of 
 Loading Pete's Macbook (ie Macbook Sparsebundle file). I don't have a 
 Thunderbolt to Ethernet connection so I've gotta do it wirelessly (but I 
 just ordered one) so I expect it will take ages to 'Load'. Oh well, 
 hopefully it will present the culprit taking up huge data volume from my TC 
 backup disc. I have stopped routine TC backups for now - nothing to loose.
 
 Whatever is the cause for this I can do one of two things. Either I 
 understand from this exercise what is the cause of this huge data 
 consumption and just leave the sparesebundle alone OR I blow away the 
 sparesebundle and do a complete backup from scratch again and manage the 
 cause of why this all happened so that I can keep the freeboard I had prior 
 to this.
 
 Regards
 
 
 Pete
 
 On 7 Sep 2014, at 7:20 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Time Tracker  is free;  it is pretty basic but usually works well.  It 
 only shows backups on the current backup destination, though, so if you've 
 got more than one, you have to select the one you want (if you're using 
 rotating backups, it's the set most recently backed-up to).
 Time Tracker works by comparing a completed backup you select to the one 
 before it. 
  
 So if you select a large backup, it’s going to take a while to determine, 
 calculate, and display the items.  
 If your backups are on a network, connect via Ethernet if possible.  
 It will still take a while, but be 2-3 times faster than WI-FI.
 
 That also means that, after 24 hours, you're not really looking at what 
 was backed-up on a particular backup, but all the backups since the 
 previous one.
 
 And you can’t select the oldest backup, since there’s nothing to compare 
 it to, or one that’s running, failed, or was cancelled.
 
 The Time Tracker display is similar to a Finder window in List View
 The dated backups will show 0 bytes until you select one, then the app 
 will calculate the size, so may take a while.  
 You can click the disclosure triangles to see the items in that folder 
 that were backed-up. 
  
 Time Tracker will only show backups on the volume currently selected for 
 backups (or most recently backed-up to) in Time Machine preferences.
 
 The recent version of Time Tracker may give you a permissions error on 
 network backups;  if it does, try double-clicking the 

Re: Enormous Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Hi Ronni, thanks for that. I don't understand then why just importing one or 
numerous photos from my iPhone into iphoto as I have in the recent past results 
in a backup of just the imported images and not the entire library. The 
software would appear to be intelligent enough to backup the changes to the 
iphoto library and not the whole thing. 

I'm aware of this single file concept behavior like MS Outlook backend mail 
file causes this but this is the first time I have experienced this behavior 
with iphoto.

Prior to doing the drop box upload,  I had placed a copy of the video file on 
the desktop and the upload was of the desktop video file so I divorced the 
upload operation from iphoto completely. 

I realiser this is academic now as it has already happened but it still has me 
interested to know what I did that caused it.

 Regards

Pete.  





div Original message /divdivFrom: Ronda Brown 
ro...@mac.com /divdivDate:14/09/2014  21:44  (GMT+08:00) /divdivTo: 
wamug@wamug.org.au /divdivSubject: Re: Enormous Time Machine backup 
/divdiv
/divHi Peter,

Short answer to why Time Machine has done a larger backup of iPhoto.
You had made changes in iPhoto by importing video. Then you were uploading that 
video file to Dropbox.
You are storing your iPhoto library inside of a disk image file (sparsebundle), 
which obviously is a single (huge) file. So any time the disk image changes, 
Time Machine will back up the entire file, which in your case is many gigabytes.

Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad4


On 14 Sep 2014, at 8:31 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:

Hi Ronni, been a bit busy and off caravanning for the weekend.

But this evening I finally got the Time Tracker downloaded and within a minute 
or so I could see the “enormous backup”. Whilst Time Machine was saying it’s 
175GB in size, the Actual file from Time Tracker is 148.4GB. So by zooming into 
the BIG stuff, the culprit is iPhoto. It’s the folder called “Masters” 
responsible for 136GB of the 148.4GB which i presume holds the image Master 
files and the Thumbnails folder responsible for 9.6GB of the 148GB. 

This iPhoto library has been backed up before and for months has been routinely 
doing all the backups normally.

Why would it trigger a Full backup of the iPhoto library all over again. I’ve 
effectively lost 175GB of space on the backup drive for seemingly no good 
reason. 

The Master folder contains beneath it a number of folders one for each year and 
each of these reports in this backup for their respective sizes I presume.

Is there anything I should do?

If I do nothing it will proceed ok but I am puzzled why this “Enormous Backup” 
had to exist.

Thanks for the tip on Time Tracker, it is a beauty.

If I blow away the old sparesebundle and rebuild a backup from scratch, I would 
recover the space but the do nothing option is easier at the moment.

Regards

Pete.


On 8 Sep 2014, at 9:46 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:

Hi Peter,

Why did you download Pacifist? I didn't mention Pacifist, you don't want 
Pacifist!
I said to download 'Time Tracker'
TimeTracker

TimeTracker is a quick-and-dirty application that displays the contents of your 
Time Machine backups, and shows what's changed since the previous backup. 
TimeTracker is in an extremely early state, and is as such very unpolished.

Download TimeTracker (prerelease), which works with 64-bit Intel Macs running 
OS X 10.6.x (Snow Leopard) or greater.
http://www.charlessoft.com/TimeTracker.zip

Cheers,
Ronni

On 8 Sep 2014, at 9:29 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:

Hi Ronni, I have downloaded the Pacifist software and in the process of 
Loading Pete's Macbook (ie Macbook Sparsebundle file). I don't have a 
Thunderbolt to Ethernet connection so I've gotta do it wirelessly (but I just 
ordered one) so I expect it will take ages to 'Load'. Oh well, hopefully it 
will present the culprit taking up huge data volume from my TC backup disc. I 
have stopped routine TC backups for now - nothing to loose.

Whatever is the cause for this I can do one of two things. Either I understand 
from this exercise what is the cause of this huge data consumption and just 
leave the sparesebundle alone OR I blow away the sparesebundle and do a 
complete backup from scratch again and manage the cause of why this all 
happened so that I can keep the freeboard I had prior to this.

Regards


Pete

On 7 Sep 2014, at 7:20 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:

Hi Peter,

Time Tracker is free; it is pretty basic but usually works well. It only shows 
backups on the current backup destination, though, so if you've got more than 
one, you have to select the one you want (if you're using rotating backups, 
it's the set most recently backed-up to).
Time Tracker works by comparing a completed backup you select to the one before 
it.
 
So if you select a large backup, it’s going to take a while to determine, 
calculate, and display the items.
If your backups

Re: Enormous Time Machine backup

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Peter, Hi Ronni,

Ronni, I thought that the difference between the old sparse disk image and
the newer sparse bundle was that the sparse bundle is NOT a single huge file
but a bundle of small (around 8MB) files which look to the user like one
file but allows time machine to just back up whichever files have changed
(rather than the whole bundle).

Obviously a video is generally much bigger than a few photos so would
involve more of the (8mb) files and the backup would be bigger ­ but should
not involve the whole iphoto library ­ or am I missing something?

I don¹t use iphoto myself ­ does it do things differently?


Apologies if I have missed the point ;o)


Cheers



Neil
-- 
Neil R. Houghton
Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com



on 14/9/14 21:44, Ronda Brown at ro...@mac.com wrote:

 Hi Peter,
 
 Short answer to why Time Machine has done a larger backup of iPhoto.
 You had made changes in iPhoto by importing video. Then you were uploading
 that video file to Dropbox.
 You are storing your iPhoto library inside of a disk image file
 (sparsebundle), which obviously is a single (huge) file. So any time the disk
 image changes, Time Machine will back up the entire file, which in your case
 is many gigabytes.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 14 Sep 2014, at 8:31 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni, been a bit busy and off caravanning for the weekend.
 
 But this evening I finally got the Time Tracker downloaded and within a
 minute or so I could see the ³enormous backup². Whilst Time Machine was
 saying it¹s 175GB in size, the Actual file from Time Tracker is 148.4GB. So
 by zooming into the BIG stuff, the culprit is iPhoto. It¹s the folder called
 ³Masters² responsible for 136GB of the 148.4GB which i presume holds the
 image Master files and the Thumbnails folder responsible for 9.6GB of the
 148GB. 
 
 This iPhoto library has been backed up before and for months has been
 routinely doing all the backups normally.
 
 Why would it trigger a Full backup of the iPhoto library all over again. I¹ve
 effectively lost 175GB of space on the backup drive for seemingly no good
 reason. 
 
 The Master folder contains beneath it a number of folders one for each year
 and each of these reports in this backup for their respective sizes I
 presume.
 
 Is there anything I should do?
 
 If I do nothing it will proceed ok but I am puzzled why this ³Enormous
 Backup² had to exist.
 
 Thanks for the tip on Time Tracker, it is a beauty.
 
 If I blow away the old sparesebundle and rebuild a backup from scratch, I
 would recover the space but the do nothing option is easier at the moment.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete.
 
 
 On 8 Sep 2014, at 9:46 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Why did you download Pacifist? I didn't mention Pacifist, you don't want
 Pacifist!
 I said to download 'Time Tracker'
 TimeTracker
 TimeTracker is a quick-and-dirty application that displays the contents of
 your Time Machine backups, and shows what's changed since the previous
 backup. TimeTracker is in an extremely early state, and is as such very
 unpolished.
 * Download http://www.charlessoft.com/TimeTracker.zip  TimeTracker
 (prerelease), which works with 64-bit Intel Macs running OS X 10.6.x (Snow
 Leopard) or greater.
 http://www.charlessoft.com/TimeTracker.zip
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 8 Sep 2014, at 9:29 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni, I have downloaded the Pacifist software and in the process of
 Loading Pete's Macbook (ie Macbook Sparsebundle file). I don't have a
 Thunderbolt to Ethernet connection so I've gotta do it wirelessly (but I
 just ordered one) so I expect it will take ages to 'Load'. Oh well,
 hopefully it will present the culprit taking up huge data volume from my TC
 backup disc. I have stopped routine TC backups for now - nothing to loose.
 
 Whatever is the cause for this I can do one of two things. Either I
 understand from this exercise what is the cause of this huge data
 consumption and just leave the sparesebundle alone OR I blow away the
 sparesebundle and do a complete backup from scratch again and manage the
 cause of why this all happened so that I can keep the freeboard I had prior
 to this.
 
 Regards
 
 
 Pete
 
 On 7 Sep 2014, at 7:20 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Time Tracker http://www.charlessoft.com/   is free;  it is pretty basic
 but usually works well.  It only shows backups on the current backup
 destination, though, so if you've got more than one, you have to select
 the one you want (if you're using rotating backups, it's the set most
 recently backed-up to).
 Time Tracker works by comparing a completed backup you select to the one
 before it. 
  
 So if you select a large backup, it¹s going to take a while to determine,
 calculate, and display the items.
 If your backups are on a network, connect via Ethernet if possible.
 It will still take a while, but be 

Re: Enormous Time Machine backup

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Neil,

You are correct. The  Time Capsule - Time Machine sparsebundle is not a huge 
single file. 
I did realize  after I sent my quick reply last night that I had not worded my 
reply accurately and was going to explain further today... but my work time 
today has not allowed me to as yet.

Peter had a lot going on at the same time - with Data being uploaded to 
Dropbox, Dropbox probably syncing, Time Machine backing up... All this was 
happening wirelessly. 
I will try to clarify later today (when I finish work or find a break in the 
day) that there can be problems working wirelessly with an iPhoto Library.  You 
can backup iPhoto wirelessly, that's not a problem. It's using it wirelessly 
that has potential risks.

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4


 On 15 Sep 2014, at 10:17 am, Neil Houghton n...@possumology.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter, Hi Ronni,
 
 Ronni, I thought that the difference between the old sparse disk image and 
 the newer sparse bundle was that the sparse bundle is NOT a single huge file 
 but a bundle of small (around 8MB) files which look to the user like one file 
 but allows time machine to just back up whichever files have changed (rather 
 than the whole bundle).
 
 Obviously a video is generally much bigger than a few photos so would involve 
 more of the (8mb) files and the backup would be bigger – but should not 
 involve the whole iphoto library – or am I missing something?
 
 I don’t use iphoto myself – does it do things differently?
 
 
 Apologies if I have missed the point ;o)
 
 
 Cheers
 
 
 
 Neil
 -- 
 Neil R. Houghton
 Albany, Western Australia
 Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
 Email: n...@possumology.com
 
 
 
 on 14/9/14 21:44, Ronda Brown at ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Short answer to why Time Machine has done a larger backup of iPhoto.
 You had made changes in iPhoto by importing video. Then you were uploading 
 that video file to Dropbox.
 You are storing your iPhoto library inside of a disk image file 
 (sparsebundle), which obviously is a single (huge) file. So any time the disk 
 image changes, Time Machine will back up the entire file, which in your case 
 is many gigabytes.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 14 Sep 2014, at 8:31 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni, been a bit busy and off caravanning for the weekend.
 
 But this evening I finally got the Time Tracker downloaded and within a 
 minute or so I could see the “enormous backup”. Whilst Time Machine was 
 saying it’s 175GB in size, the Actual file from Time Tracker is 148.4GB. So 
 by zooming into the BIG stuff, the culprit is iPhoto. It’s the folder called 
 “Masters” responsible for 136GB of the 148.4GB which i presume holds the 
 image Master files and the Thumbnails folder responsible for 9.6GB of the 
 148GB. 
 
 This iPhoto library has been backed up before and for months has been 
 routinely doing all the backups normally.
 
 Why would it trigger a Full backup of the iPhoto library all over again. I’ve 
 effectively lost 175GB of space on the backup drive for seemingly no good 
 reason. 
 
 The Master folder contains beneath it a number of folders one for each year 
 and each of these reports in this backup for their respective sizes I presume.
 
 Is there anything I should do?
 
 If I do nothing it will proceed ok but I am puzzled why this “Enormous 
 Backup” had to exist.
 
 Thanks for the tip on Time Tracker, it is a beauty.
 
 If I blow away the old sparesebundle and rebuild a backup from scratch, I 
 would recover the space but the do nothing option is easier at the moment.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete.
 
 
 On 8 Sep 2014, at 9:46 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Why did you download Pacifist? I didn't mention Pacifist, you don't want 
 Pacifist!
 I said to download 'Time Tracker'
 TimeTracker
 TimeTracker is a quick-and-dirty application that displays the contents of 
 your Time Machine backups, and shows what's changed since the previous 
 backup. TimeTracker is in an extremely early state, and is as such very 
 unpolished.
 Download http://www.charlessoft.com/TimeTracker.zip  TimeTracker 
 (prerelease), which works with 64-bit Intel Macs running OS X 10.6.x (Snow 
 Leopard) or greater.
 http://www.charlessoft.com/TimeTracker.zip
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 8 Sep 2014, at 9:29 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni, I have downloaded the Pacifist software and in the process of 
 Loading Pete's Macbook (ie Macbook Sparsebundle file). I don't have a 
 Thunderbolt to Ethernet connection so I've gotta do it wirelessly (but I just 
 ordered one) so I expect it will take ages to 'Load'. Oh well, hopefully it 
 will present the culprit taking up huge data volume from my TC backup disc. I 
 have stopped routine TC backups for now - nothing to loose.
 
 Whatever is the cause for this I can do one of two things. Either I 
 understand from this exercise what is the cause of this huge data consumption 
 and just leave the 

Re: Enormous Time Machine backup

[petercrisp]

Aha, we shall stay tuned Ronni.  Don't stress Ronni it's not urgent
Regards
Pete.

- Original Message -
From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:wamug@wamug.org.au 
Cc:
Sent:Mon, 15 Sep 2014 11:21:32 +0800
Subject:Re: Enormous Time Machine backup

Hi Neil, 
 You are correct. The  Time Capsule - Time Machine sparsebundle is
not a huge single file.  I did realize  after I sent my quick reply
last night that I had not worded my reply accurately and was going to
explain further today... but my work time today has not allowed me to
as yet. 
 Peter had a lot going on at the same time - with Data being uploaded
to Dropbox, Dropbox probably syncing, Time Machine backing up... All
this was happening wirelessly.  I will try to clarify later today
(when I finish work or find a break in the day) that there can be
problems working wirelessly with an iPhoto Library.  You can backup
iPhoto wirelessly, that's not a problem. It's using it wirelessly that
has potential risks. 
 Cheers, Ronni 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4 

On 15 Sep 2014, at 10:17 am, Neil Houghton  wrote:

  Re: Enormous Time Machine backupHi Peter, Hi Ronni,

 Ronni, I thought that the difference between the old sparse disk
image and the newer sparse bundle was that the sparse bundle is NOT a
single huge file but a bundle of small (around 8MB) files which look
to the user like one file but allows time machine to just back up
whichever files have changed (rather than the whole bundle).

 Obviously a video is generally much bigger than a few photos so would
involve more of the (8mb) files and the backup would be bigger – but
should not involve the whole iphoto library – or am I missing
something?

 I don’t use iphoto myself – does it do things differently?

 Apologies if I have missed the point ;o)

 Cheers

 Neil
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 Albany, Western Australia
 Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
 Email: n...@possumology.com [2]

 on 14/9/14 21:44, Ronda Brown at ro...@mac.com [3] wrote:

 Hi Peter,

 Short answer to why Time Machine has done a larger backup of iPhoto.
 You had made changes in iPhoto by importing video. Then you were
uploading that video file to Dropbox.
 You are storing your iPhoto library inside of a disk image file
(sparsebundle), which obviously is a single (huge) file. So any time
the disk image changes, Time Machine will back up the entire file,
which in your case is many gigabytes.

 Cheers,
 Ronni
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4

 On 14 Sep 2014, at 8:31 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:

 Hi Ronni, been a bit busy and off caravanning for the weekend.

 But this evening I finally got the Time Tracker downloaded and within
a minute or so I could see the “enormous backup”. Whilst Time
Machine was saying it’s 175GB in size, the Actual file from Time
Tracker is 148.4GB. So by zooming into the BIG stuff, the culprit is
iPhoto. It’s the folder called “Masters” responsible for 136GB
of the 148.4GB which i presume holds the image Master files and the
Thumbnails folder responsible for 9.6GB of the 148GB. 

 This iPhoto library has been backed up before and for months has been
routinely doing all the backups normally.

 Why would it trigger a Full backup of the iPhoto library all over
again. I’ve effectively lost 175GB of space on the backup drive for
seemingly no good reason. 

 The Master folder contains beneath it a number of folders one for
each year and each of these reports in this backup for their
respective sizes I presume.

 Is there anything I should do?

 If I do nothing it will proceed ok but I am puzzled why this
“Enormous Backup” had to exist.

 Thanks for the tip on Time Tracker, it is a beauty.

 If I blow away the old sparesebundle and rebuild a backup from
scratch, I would recover the space but the do nothing option is easier
at the moment.

 Regards

 Pete.

 On 8 Sep 2014, at 9:46 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:

 Hi Peter,

 Why did you download Pacifist? I didn't mention Pacifist, you don't
want Pacifist!
 I said to download 'Time Tracker'
TimeTracker
TimeTracker is a quick-and-dirty application that displays the
contents of your Time Machine backups, and shows what's changed since
the previous backup. TimeTracker is in an extremely early state, and
is as such very unpolished.

* Download  [6]  TimeTracker (prerelease), which works with 64-bit
Intel Macs running OS X 10.6.x (Snow Leopard) or greater.

 [7]

 Cheers,
 Ronni

 On 8 Sep 2014, at 9:29 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:

 Hi Ronni, I have downloaded the Pacifist software and in the process
of Loading Pete's Macbook (ie Macbook Sparsebundle file). I don't
have a Thunderbolt to Ethernet connection so I've gotta do it
wirelessly (but I just ordered one) so I expect it will take ages to
'Load'. Oh well, hopefully it will present the culprit taking up huge
data volume from my TC backup disc. I have stopped routine TC backups
for now - nothing to loose.

 Whatever is the cause for this I can do one of two things. Either I
understand from this exercise what is the cause of this huge data
consumption and just

Re: Enormous Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Hi Ronni, I have downloaded the Pacifist software and in the process of 
Loading Pete's Macbook (ie Macbook Sparsebundle file). I don't have a 
Thunderbolt to Ethernet connection so I've gotta do it wirelessly (but I just 
ordered one) so I expect it will take ages to 'Load'. Oh well, hopefully it 
will present the culprit taking up huge data volume from my TC backup disc. I 
have stopped routine TC backups for now - nothing to loose.

Whatever is the cause for this I can do one of two things. Either I understand 
from this exercise what is the cause of this huge data consumption and just 
leave the sparesebundle alone OR I blow away the sparesebundle and do a 
complete backup from scratch again and manage the cause of why this all 
happened so that I can keep the freeboard I had prior to this.

Regards


Pete

 On 7 Sep 2014, at 7:20 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Time Tracker  is free;  it is pretty basic but usually works well.  It only 
 shows backups on the current backup destination, though, so if you've got 
 more than one, you have to select the one you want (if you're using rotating 
 backups, it's the set most recently backed-up to).
 Time Tracker works by comparing a completed backup you select to the one 
 before it. 
  
 So if you select a large backup, it’s going to take a while to determine, 
 calculate, and display the items.  
 If your backups are on a network, connect via Ethernet if possible.  
 It will still take a while, but be 2-3 times faster than WI-FI.
 
 That also means that, after 24 hours, you're not really looking at what was 
 backed-up on a particular backup, but all the backups since the previous one.
 
 And you can’t select the oldest backup, since there’s nothing to compare it 
 to, or one that’s running, failed, or was cancelled.
 
 The Time Tracker display is similar to a Finder window in List View
 The dated backups will show 0 bytes until you select one, then the app will 
 calculate the size, so may take a while.  
 You can click the disclosure triangles to see the items in that folder that 
 were backed-up. 
  
 Time Tracker will only show backups on the volume currently selected for 
 backups (or most recently backed-up to) in Time Machine preferences.
 
 The recent version of Time Tracker may give you a permissions error on 
 network backups;  if it does, try double-clicking the sparse bundle via the 
 Finder to mount the disk image.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 7 Sep 2014, at 5:36 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi, I have a MacBook Pro Retina 13 256GB with a 2TB attached external drive 
 (currently with around 550GB on the external drive). I have the external 
 drive INCLUDED in my TC backups and the backup size (according to the TM 
 Options panel) is 659GB. It has been backed up for many months now and 
 routinely has been doing the updates hourly per the normal schedule. The 
 backup drive is 1TB attached via the USB with a powered hub to the 3TB TC.
 
 I know some might think having only 1TB is small for a machine capable of 
 being around 2.25TB (on board Mac Pro drive + the 2TB external) but for the 
 moment the held memory is well inside the 1TB limit.
 
 Last night i took a video with my iPhone and then imported it to the MacBook 
 Pro to iPhoto. The video file was ~330MB only 2 minutes worth.
 
 Last night I also tried to push the video file up to my Dropbox and it said 
 around 1 hour to complete which was fine so I just let it go. This morning 
 when I woke up the Macbook, it still hadn't completed and it said it had 10 
 minutes remaining. Then I noticed it commencing a routine backup and I often 
 check the size of the backups just to keep a mental track of data backup 
 size. The Backup is 174.92GB (yes GB)!!
 
 I was very surprised to see this as normal backups are in the order of ~50MB 
 or maybe 1 or 2GB if I have imported some photos but I have never had a 
 routine backup this size. 
 
 Is there a way that I can interrogate what files are being backed up so I 
 can see what has caused this? It will significantly reduce the freeboard I 
 had to the 1TB for what appears to be for a meaningless reason. Maybe it was 
 the Dropbox activity that's caused this.
 
 Regards
 
 
 Pete
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Re: Enormous Time Machine backup

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Peter,

Why did you download Pacifist? I didn't mention Pacifist, you don't want 
Pacifist!
I said to download 'Time Tracker'
TimeTracker

TimeTracker is a quick-and-dirty application that displays the contents of your 
Time Machine backups, and shows what's changed since the previous backup. 
TimeTracker is in an extremely early state, and is as such very unpolished.

Download TimeTracker (prerelease), which works with 64-bit Intel Macs running 
OS X 10.6.x (Snow Leopard) or greater.
http://www.charlessoft.com/TimeTracker.zip

Cheers,
Ronni

On 8 Sep 2014, at 9:29 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:

 Hi Ronni, I have downloaded the Pacifist software and in the process of 
 Loading Pete's Macbook (ie Macbook Sparsebundle file). I don't have a 
 Thunderbolt to Ethernet connection so I've gotta do it wirelessly (but I just 
 ordered one) so I expect it will take ages to 'Load'. Oh well, hopefully it 
 will present the culprit taking up huge data volume from my TC backup disc. I 
 have stopped routine TC backups for now - nothing to loose.
 
 Whatever is the cause for this I can do one of two things. Either I 
 understand from this exercise what is the cause of this huge data consumption 
 and just leave the sparesebundle alone OR I blow away the sparesebundle and 
 do a complete backup from scratch again and manage the cause of why this all 
 happened so that I can keep the freeboard I had prior to this.
 
 Regards
 
 
 Pete
 
 On 7 Sep 2014, at 7:20 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Time Tracker  is free;  it is pretty basic but usually works well.  It only 
 shows backups on the current backup destination, though, so if you've got 
 more than one, you have to select the one you want (if you're using 
 rotating backups, it's the set most recently backed-up to).
 Time Tracker works by comparing a completed backup you select to the one 
 before it. 
  
 So if you select a large backup, it’s going to take a while to determine, 
 calculate, and display the items.  
 If your backups are on a network, connect via Ethernet if possible.  
 It will still take a while, but be 2-3 times faster than WI-FI.
 
 That also means that, after 24 hours, you're not really looking at what was 
 backed-up on a particular backup, but all the backups since the previous one.
 
 And you can’t select the oldest backup, since there’s nothing to compare it 
 to, or one that’s running, failed, or was cancelled.
 
 The Time Tracker display is similar to a Finder window in List View
 The dated backups will show 0 bytes until you select one, then the app will 
 calculate the size, so may take a while.  
 You can click the disclosure triangles to see the items in that folder that 
 were backed-up. 
  
 Time Tracker will only show backups on the volume currently selected for 
 backups (or most recently backed-up to) in Time Machine preferences.
 
 The recent version of Time Tracker may give you a permissions error on 
 network backups;  if it does, try double-clicking the sparse bundle via the 
 Finder to mount the disk image.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 7 Sep 2014, at 5:36 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi, I have a MacBook Pro Retina 13 256GB with a 2TB attached external 
 drive (currently with around 550GB on the external drive). I have the 
 external drive INCLUDED in my TC backups and the backup size (according to 
 the TM Options panel) is 659GB. It has been backed up for many months now 
 and routinely has been doing the updates hourly per the normal schedule. 
 The backup drive is 1TB attached via the USB with a powered hub to the 3TB 
 TC.
 
 I know some might think having only 1TB is small for a machine capable of 
 being around 2.25TB (on board Mac Pro drive + the 2TB external) but for the 
 moment the held memory is well inside the 1TB limit.
 
 Last night i took a video with my iPhone and then imported it to the 
 MacBook Pro to iPhoto. The video file was ~330MB only 2 minutes worth.
 
 Last night I also tried to push the video file up to my Dropbox and it said 
 around 1 hour to complete which was fine so I just let it go. This morning 
 when I woke up the Macbook, it still hadn't completed and it said it had 10 
 minutes remaining. Then I noticed it commencing a routine backup and I 
 often check the size of the backups just to keep a mental track of data 
 backup size. The Backup is 174.92GB (yes GB)!!
 
 I was very surprised to see this as normal backups are in the order of 
 ~50MB or maybe 1 or 2GB if I have imported some photos but I have never had 
 a routine backup this size. 
 
 Is there a way that I can interrogate what files are being backed up so I 
 can see what has caused this? It will significantly reduce the freeboard I 
 had to the 1TB for what appears to be for a meaningless reason. Maybe it 
 was the Dropbox activity that's caused this.
 
 Regards
 
 
 Pete
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Re: Enormous Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Hi Ronni, I simply hit the link you sent me and it took me to Pacifist. It's 
by Charlessoft so is it the right thing by another name?

Regards


Pete

 On 8 Sep 2014, at 9:46 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Why did you download Pacifist? I didn't mention Pacifist, you don't want 
 Pacifist!
 I said to download 'Time Tracker'
 TimeTracker
 
 TimeTracker is a quick-and-dirty application that displays the contents of 
 your Time Machine backups, and shows what's changed since the previous 
 backup. TimeTracker is in an extremely early state, and is as such very 
 unpolished.
 
 Download TimeTracker (prerelease), which works with 64-bit Intel Macs running 
 OS X 10.6.x (Snow Leopard) or greater.
 http://www.charlessoft.com/TimeTracker.zip
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 8 Sep 2014, at 9:29 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni, I have downloaded the Pacifist software and in the process of 
 Loading Pete's Macbook (ie Macbook Sparsebundle file). I don't have a 
 Thunderbolt to Ethernet connection so I've gotta do it wirelessly (but I 
 just ordered one) so I expect it will take ages to 'Load'. Oh well, 
 hopefully it will present the culprit taking up huge data volume from my TC 
 backup disc. I have stopped routine TC backups for now - nothing to loose.
 
 Whatever is the cause for this I can do one of two things. Either I 
 understand from this exercise what is the cause of this huge data 
 consumption and just leave the sparesebundle alone OR I blow away the 
 sparesebundle and do a complete backup from scratch again and manage the 
 cause of why this all happened so that I can keep the freeboard I had prior 
 to this.
 
 Regards
 
 
 Pete
 
 On 7 Sep 2014, at 7:20 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Time Tracker  is free;  it is pretty basic but usually works well.  It only 
 shows backups on the current backup destination, though, so if you've got 
 more than one, you have to select the one you want (if you're using 
 rotating backups, it's the set most recently backed-up to).
 Time Tracker works by comparing a completed backup you select to the one 
 before it. 
  
 So if you select a large backup, it’s going to take a while to determine, 
 calculate, and display the items.  
 If your backups are on a network, connect via Ethernet if possible.  
 It will still take a while, but be 2-3 times faster than WI-FI.
 
 That also means that, after 24 hours, you're not really looking at what was 
 backed-up on a particular backup, but all the backups since the previous 
 one.
 
 And you can’t select the oldest backup, since there’s nothing to compare it 
 to, or one that’s running, failed, or was cancelled.
 
 The Time Tracker display is similar to a Finder window in List View
 The dated backups will show 0 bytes until you select one, then the app will 
 calculate the size, so may take a while.  
 You can click the disclosure triangles to see the items in that folder that 
 were backed-up. 
  
 Time Tracker will only show backups on the volume currently selected for 
 backups (or most recently backed-up to) in Time Machine preferences.
 
 The recent version of Time Tracker may give you a permissions error on 
 network backups;  if it does, try double-clicking the sparse bundle via the 
 Finder to mount the disk image.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 7 Sep 2014, at 5:36 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi, I have a MacBook Pro Retina 13 256GB with a 2TB attached external 
 drive (currently with around 550GB on the external drive). I have the 
 external drive INCLUDED in my TC backups and the backup size (according to 
 the TM Options panel) is 659GB. It has been backed up for many months now 
 and routinely has been doing the updates hourly per the normal schedule. 
 The backup drive is 1TB attached via the USB with a powered hub to the 3TB 
 TC.
 
 I know some might think having only 1TB is small for a machine capable of 
 being around 2.25TB (on board Mac Pro drive + the 2TB external) but for 
 the moment the held memory is well inside the 1TB limit.
 
 Last night i took a video with my iPhone and then imported it to the 
 MacBook Pro to iPhoto. The video file was ~330MB only 2 minutes worth.
 
 Last night I also tried to push the video file up to my Dropbox and it 
 said around 1 hour to complete which was fine so I just let it go. This 
 morning when I woke up the Macbook, it still hadn't completed and it said 
 it had 10 minutes remaining. Then I noticed it commencing a routine backup 
 and I often check the size of the backups just to keep a mental track of 
 data backup size. The Backup is 174.92GB (yes GB)!!
 
 I was very surprised to see this as normal backups are in the order of 
 ~50MB or maybe 1 or 2GB if I have imported some photos but I have never 
 had a routine backup this size. 
 
 Is there a way that I can interrogate what files are being backed up so I 
 can see what has caused this? It will significantly reduce the freeboard I 
 

Re: Enormous Time Machine backup

[Ronni Brown]

NO Pacifist is completely another program... nothing to do with Time Tracker
The link I sent below will download Time Tracker.

 http://www.charlessoft.com/TimeTracker.zip

Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage


On 8 Sep 2014, at 9:51 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:

 Hi Ronni, I simply hit the link you sent me and it took me to Pacifist. 
 It's by Charlessoft so is it the right thing by another name?
 
 Regards
 
 
 Pete
 
 On 8 Sep 2014, at 9:46 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Why did you download Pacifist? I didn't mention Pacifist, you don't want 
 Pacifist!
 I said to download 'Time Tracker'
 TimeTracker
 
 TimeTracker is a quick-and-dirty application that displays the contents of 
 your Time Machine backups, and shows what's changed since the previous 
 backup. TimeTracker is in an extremely early state, and is as such very 
 unpolished.
 
 Download TimeTracker (prerelease), which works with 64-bit Intel Macs 
 running OS X 10.6.x (Snow Leopard) or greater.
 http://www.charlessoft.com/TimeTracker.zip
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 8 Sep 2014, at 9:29 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni, I have downloaded the Pacifist software and in the process of 
 Loading Pete's Macbook (ie Macbook Sparsebundle file). I don't have a 
 Thunderbolt to Ethernet connection so I've gotta do it wirelessly (but I 
 just ordered one) so I expect it will take ages to 'Load'. Oh well, 
 hopefully it will present the culprit taking up huge data volume from my TC 
 backup disc. I have stopped routine TC backups for now - nothing to loose.
 
 Whatever is the cause for this I can do one of two things. Either I 
 understand from this exercise what is the cause of this huge data 
 consumption and just leave the sparesebundle alone OR I blow away the 
 sparesebundle and do a complete backup from scratch again and manage the 
 cause of why this all happened so that I can keep the freeboard I had prior 
 to this.
 
 Regards
 
 
 Pete
 
 On 7 Sep 2014, at 7:20 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Time Tracker  is free;  it is pretty basic but usually works well.  It 
 only shows backups on the current backup destination, though, so if you've 
 got more than one, you have to select the one you want (if you're using 
 rotating backups, it's the set most recently backed-up to).
 Time Tracker works by comparing a completed backup you select to the one 
 before it. 
  
 So if you select a large backup, it’s going to take a while to determine, 
 calculate, and display the items.  
 If your backups are on a network, connect via Ethernet if possible.  
 It will still take a while, but be 2-3 times faster than WI-FI.
 
 That also means that, after 24 hours, you're not really looking at what 
 was backed-up on a particular backup, but all the backups since the 
 previous one.
 
 And you can’t select the oldest backup, since there’s nothing to compare 
 it to, or one that’s running, failed, or was cancelled.
 
 The Time Tracker display is similar to a Finder window in List View
 The dated backups will show 0 bytes until you select one, then the app 
 will calculate the size, so may take a while.  
 You can click the disclosure triangles to see the items in that folder 
 that were backed-up. 
  
 Time Tracker will only show backups on the volume currently selected for 
 backups (or most recently backed-up to) in Time Machine preferences.
 
 The recent version of Time Tracker may give you a permissions error on 
 network backups;  if it does, try double-clicking the sparse bundle via 
 the Finder to mount the disk image.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 7 Sep 2014, at 5:36 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi, I have a MacBook Pro Retina 13 256GB with a 2TB attached external 
 drive (currently with around 550GB on the external drive). I have the 
 external drive INCLUDED in my TC backups and the backup size (according 
 to the TM Options panel) is 659GB. It has been backed up for many months 
 now and routinely has been doing the updates hourly per the normal 
 schedule. The backup drive is 1TB attached via the USB with a powered hub 
 to the 3TB TC.
 
 I know some might think having only 1TB is small for a machine capable of 
 being around 2.25TB (on board Mac Pro drive + the 2TB external) but for 
 the moment the held memory is well inside the 1TB limit.
 
 Last night i took a video with my iPhone and then imported it to the 
 MacBook Pro to iPhoto. The video file was ~330MB only 2 minutes worth.
 
 Last night I also tried to push the video file up to my Dropbox and it 
 said around 1 hour to complete which was fine so I just let it go. This 
 morning when I woke up the Macbook, it still hadn't completed and it said 
 it had 10 minutes remaining. Then I noticed it commencing a routine 
 backup and I often check the size of the backups just to 

Re: Enormous Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Understood, tomorrow night job now. Thanks I have interrupted the Pacifist!

Regards


Pete

 On 8 Sep 2014, at 9:57 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 NO Pacifist is completely another program... nothing to do with Time Tracker
 The link I sent below will download Time Tracker.
 
 http://www.charlessoft.com/TimeTracker.zip
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
 
 
 On 8 Sep 2014, at 9:51 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni, I simply hit the link you sent me and it took me to Pacifist. 
 It's by Charlessoft so is it the right thing by another name?
 
 Regards
 
 
 Pete
 
 On 8 Sep 2014, at 9:46 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Why did you download Pacifist? I didn't mention Pacifist, you don't want 
 Pacifist!
 I said to download 'Time Tracker'
 TimeTracker
 
 TimeTracker is a quick-and-dirty application that displays the contents of 
 your Time Machine backups, and shows what's changed since the previous 
 backup. TimeTracker is in an extremely early state, and is as such very 
 unpolished.
 
 Download TimeTracker (prerelease), which works with 64-bit Intel Macs 
 running OS X 10.6.x (Snow Leopard) or greater.
 http://www.charlessoft.com/TimeTracker.zip
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 8 Sep 2014, at 9:29 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni, I have downloaded the Pacifist software and in the process of 
 Loading Pete's Macbook (ie Macbook Sparsebundle file). I don't have a 
 Thunderbolt to Ethernet connection so I've gotta do it wirelessly (but I 
 just ordered one) so I expect it will take ages to 'Load'. Oh well, 
 hopefully it will present the culprit taking up huge data volume from my 
 TC backup disc. I have stopped routine TC backups for now - nothing to 
 loose.
 
 Whatever is the cause for this I can do one of two things. Either I 
 understand from this exercise what is the cause of this huge data 
 consumption and just leave the sparesebundle alone OR I blow away the 
 sparesebundle and do a complete backup from scratch again and manage the 
 cause of why this all happened so that I can keep the freeboard I had 
 prior to this.
 
 Regards
 
 
 Pete
 
 On 7 Sep 2014, at 7:20 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Time Tracker  is free;  it is pretty basic but usually works well.  It 
 only shows backups on the current backup destination, though, so if 
 you've got more than one, you have to select the one you want (if you're 
 using rotating backups, it's the set most recently backed-up to).
 Time Tracker works by comparing a completed backup you select to the one 
 before it. 
  
 So if you select a large backup, it’s going to take a while to determine, 
 calculate, and display the items.  
 If your backups are on a network, connect via Ethernet if possible.  
 It will still take a while, but be 2-3 times faster than WI-FI.
 
 That also means that, after 24 hours, you're not really looking at what 
 was backed-up on a particular backup, but all the backups since the 
 previous one.
 
 And you can’t select the oldest backup, since there’s nothing to compare 
 it to, or one that’s running, failed, or was cancelled.
 
 The Time Tracker display is similar to a Finder window in List View
 The dated backups will show 0 bytes until you select one, then the app 
 will calculate the size, so may take a while.  
 You can click the disclosure triangles to see the items in that folder 
 that were backed-up. 
  
 Time Tracker will only show backups on the volume currently selected for 
 backups (or most recently backed-up to) in Time Machine preferences.
 
 The recent version of Time Tracker may give you a permissions error on 
 network backups;  if it does, try double-clicking the sparse bundle via 
 the Finder to mount the disk image.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 7 Sep 2014, at 5:36 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi, I have a MacBook Pro Retina 13 256GB with a 2TB attached external 
 drive (currently with around 550GB on the external drive). I have the 
 external drive INCLUDED in my TC backups and the backup size (according 
 to the TM Options panel) is 659GB. It has been backed up for many months 
 now and routinely has been doing the updates hourly per the normal 
 schedule. The backup drive is 1TB attached via the USB with a powered 
 hub to the 3TB TC.
 
 I know some might think having only 1TB is small for a machine capable 
 of being around 2.25TB (on board Mac Pro drive + the 2TB external) but 
 for the moment the held memory is well inside the 1TB limit.
 
 Last night i took a video with my iPhone and then imported it to the 
 MacBook Pro to iPhoto. The video file was ~330MB only 2 minutes worth.
 
 Last night I also tried to push the video file up to my Dropbox and it 
 said around 1 hour to complete which was fine so I just let it go. This 
 morning when I woke up the 

Enormous Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Hi, I have a MacBook Pro Retina 13 256GB with a 2TB attached external drive 
(currently with around 550GB on the external drive). I have the external drive 
INCLUDED in my TC backups and the backup size (according to the TM Options 
panel) is 659GB. It has been backed up for many months now and routinely has 
been doing the updates hourly per the normal schedule. The backup drive is 1TB 
attached via the USB with a powered hub to the 3TB TC.

I know some might think having only 1TB is small for a machine capable of being 
around 2.25TB (on board Mac Pro drive + the 2TB external) but for the moment 
the held memory is well inside the 1TB limit.

Last night i took a video with my iPhone and then imported it to the MacBook 
Pro to iPhoto. The video file was ~330MB only 2 minutes worth.

Last night I also tried to push the video file up to my Dropbox and it said 
around 1 hour to complete which was fine so I just let it go. This morning when 
I woke up the Macbook, it still hadn't completed and it said it had 10 minutes 
remaining. Then I noticed it commencing a routine backup and I often check the 
size of the backups just to keep a mental track of data backup size. The Backup 
is 174.92GB (yes GB)!!

I was very surprised to see this as normal backups are in the order of ~50MB or 
maybe 1 or 2GB if I have imported some photos but I have never had a routine 
backup this size. 

Is there a way that I can interrogate what files are being backed up so I can 
see what has caused this? It will significantly reduce the freeboard I had to 
the 1TB for what appears to be for a meaningless reason. Maybe it was the 
Dropbox activity that's caused this.

Regards


Pete
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Re: Enormous Time Machine backup

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Peter,

Time Tracker  is free;  it is pretty basic but usually works well.  It only 
shows backups on the current backup destination, though, so if you've got more 
than one, you have to select the one you want (if you're using rotating 
backups, it's the set most recently backed-up to).
Time Tracker works by comparing a completed backup you select to the one before 
it. 
 
So if you select a large backup, it’s going to take a while to determine, 
calculate, and display the items.  
If your backups are on a network, connect via Ethernet if possible.  
It will still take a while, but be 2-3 times faster than WI-FI.

That also means that, after 24 hours, you're not really looking at what was 
backed-up on a particular backup, but all the backups since the previous one.

And you can’t select the oldest backup, since there’s nothing to compare it to, 
or one that’s running, failed, or was cancelled.

The Time Tracker display is similar to a Finder window in List View
The dated backups will show 0 bytes until you select one, then the app will 
calculate the size, so may take a while.  
You can click the disclosure triangles to see the items in that folder that 
were backed-up. 
 
Time Tracker will only show backups on the volume currently selected for 
backups (or most recently backed-up to) in Time Machine preferences.

The recent version of Time Tracker may give you a permissions error on network 
backups;  if it does, try double-clicking the sparse bundle via the Finder to 
mount the disk image.

Cheers,
Ronni

On 7 Sep 2014, at 5:36 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:

 Hi, I have a MacBook Pro Retina 13 256GB with a 2TB attached external drive 
 (currently with around 550GB on the external drive). I have the external 
 drive INCLUDED in my TC backups and the backup size (according to the TM 
 Options panel) is 659GB. It has been backed up for many months now and 
 routinely has been doing the updates hourly per the normal schedule. The 
 backup drive is 1TB attached via the USB with a powered hub to the 3TB TC.
 
 I know some might think having only 1TB is small for a machine capable of 
 being around 2.25TB (on board Mac Pro drive + the 2TB external) but for the 
 moment the held memory is well inside the 1TB limit.
 
 Last night i took a video with my iPhone and then imported it to the MacBook 
 Pro to iPhoto. The video file was ~330MB only 2 minutes worth.
 
 Last night I also tried to push the video file up to my Dropbox and it said 
 around 1 hour to complete which was fine so I just let it go. This morning 
 when I woke up the Macbook, it still hadn't completed and it said it had 10 
 minutes remaining. Then I noticed it commencing a routine backup and I often 
 check the size of the backups just to keep a mental track of data backup 
 size. The Backup is 174.92GB (yes GB)!!
 
 I was very surprised to see this as normal backups are in the order of ~50MB 
 or maybe 1 or 2GB if I have imported some photos but I have never had a 
 routine backup this size. 
 
 Is there a way that I can interrogate what files are being backed up so I can 
 see what has caused this? It will significantly reduce the freeboard I had to 
 the 1TB for what appears to be for a meaningless reason. Maybe it was the 
 Dropbox activity that's caused this.
 
 Regards
 
 
 Pete
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Re: Enormous Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Thanks for that Ronni, I will get that one and put to the test so I can 
understand what the reason behind this is.

Regards


Pete

 On 7 Sep 2014, at 7:20 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Time Tracker  is free;  it is pretty basic but usually works well.  It only 
 shows backups on the current backup destination, though, so if you've got 
 more than one, you have to select the one you want (if you're using rotating 
 backups, it's the set most recently backed-up to).
 Time Tracker works by comparing a completed backup you select to the one 
 before it. 
  
 So if you select a large backup, it’s going to take a while to determine, 
 calculate, and display the items.  
 If your backups are on a network, connect via Ethernet if possible.  
 It will still take a while, but be 2-3 times faster than WI-FI.
 
 That also means that, after 24 hours, you're not really looking at what was 
 backed-up on a particular backup, but all the backups since the previous one.
 
 And you can’t select the oldest backup, since there’s nothing to compare it 
 to, or one that’s running, failed, or was cancelled.
 
 The Time Tracker display is similar to a Finder window in List View
 The dated backups will show 0 bytes until you select one, then the app will 
 calculate the size, so may take a while.  
 You can click the disclosure triangles to see the items in that folder that 
 were backed-up. 
  
 Time Tracker will only show backups on the volume currently selected for 
 backups (or most recently backed-up to) in Time Machine preferences.
 
 The recent version of Time Tracker may give you a permissions error on 
 network backups;  if it does, try double-clicking the sparse bundle via the 
 Finder to mount the disk image.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 7 Sep 2014, at 5:36 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi, I have a MacBook Pro Retina 13 256GB with a 2TB attached external drive 
 (currently with around 550GB on the external drive). I have the external 
 drive INCLUDED in my TC backups and the backup size (according to the TM 
 Options panel) is 659GB. It has been backed up for many months now and 
 routinely has been doing the updates hourly per the normal schedule. The 
 backup drive is 1TB attached via the USB with a powered hub to the 3TB TC.
 
 I know some might think having only 1TB is small for a machine capable of 
 being around 2.25TB (on board Mac Pro drive + the 2TB external) but for the 
 moment the held memory is well inside the 1TB limit.
 
 Last night i took a video with my iPhone and then imported it to the MacBook 
 Pro to iPhoto. The video file was ~330MB only 2 minutes worth.
 
 Last night I also tried to push the video file up to my Dropbox and it said 
 around 1 hour to complete which was fine so I just let it go. This morning 
 when I woke up the Macbook, it still hadn't completed and it said it had 10 
 minutes remaining. Then I noticed it commencing a routine backup and I often 
 check the size of the backups just to keep a mental track of data backup 
 size. The Backup is 174.92GB (yes GB)!!
 
 I was very surprised to see this as normal backups are in the order of ~50MB 
 or maybe 1 or 2GB if I have imported some photos but I have never had a 
 routine backup this size. 
 
 Is there a way that I can interrogate what files are being backed up so I 
 can see what has caused this? It will significantly reduce the freeboard I 
 had to the 1TB for what appears to be for a meaningless reason. Maybe it was 
 the Dropbox activity that's caused this.
 
 Regards
 
 
 Pete
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Migration Assistant/Target Disk Mode FW800 Port Mac to new Thunderbolt Port Mac- Migrate to a Larger Time Machine Backup Disk

[Ronni Brown]

Hello WAMUGers,

I have completed and uploaded a couple of new Tutorials to my website that you 
might find helpful.

1. Members who are purchasing new Macs that have Thunderbolt Ports and NO 
FireWire ports and wish to use Migration Assistant / Target Disk Mode, to 
Transfer all their Data from the older Mac (FW800) to the New Mac (Thunderbolt):

My Tutorial Transfer Mac (FW800) to New Mac (Thunderbolt) using Apple 
'Thunderbolt to Firewire Adapter' shows you how to do this successfully.

2. When a Time Machine backup volume fills up, Time Machine will delete old 
files to make room for new ones, but sooner or later you may want to have more 
backup capacity-whether for more files or a longer history. So the natural 
solution is to switch to a bigger disk (or maybe from a local drive to a Time 
Capsule with a larger disk, or a Time Capsule to a larger Time Capsule).

If you simply switch disks in the Time Machine preference pane, you'll have to 
start over with a brand-new full backup. 
If you prefer to keep the continuity of your existing backups on the new drive, 
you can- if you follow a few specific steps.
The procedure is somewhat different depending on whether you're migrating to a 
new local disk or to a Time Capsule or Network Volume.

My Tutorial Migrate To A Larger Time Machine Disk' shows you how to do this 
successfully.

I have carried out both these procedures successfully following the Tutorials.
Both the above Tutorials are under my 'Tutorials' Page:
http://ronnibrown.net/tutorials/index.html

3. Quite some time back some people asked the question what exactly is 
Bonjour?
 When tidying up my Work In Progress folder I noticed I had commenced a 
document many months ago 'BONJOUR'… so I have now completed a two page document 
explaining what Bonjour is.

The BONJOUR document is under my 'Technical' Page:
http://ronnibrown.net/technicial/index.html

If you do download any of my documents from my website I would appreciate a 
donation.
I have to pay my HostingServices fees :-)

Cheers,
Ronni

17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt
2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

OS X 10.8.2 Mountain Lion
Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)


















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Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Game over!

All three sparsebundles in place and all three Macbooks set for backup and 
working fine.

I now have a spare 1TB drive which I know will be useful in the future.

Thanks again for everyones help (especially Carlo for iChatting into my 
Macbook and Ronni too for many responses) for this issue I had here.

Regards

Pete.



On 10/09/2012, at 6:31 AM, Peter Crisp wrote:

 Righto, so the two 'good' sparsebundles copied off ok, then the Time Capsule 
 erase. Using Airport Utility, I was presented with 4 options of how to erase 
 the TC - Quick Erase, All Zeros, All Zeroes 3 times, All Zeros 7 times. I 
 chose All Zeros initially and the process started ok and got to around 15% 
 where it never got past - I left it for the whole weekend! Not sure why this 
 was but after some learned advice from Dad, I interrupted it and did the 
 Quick Erase which was complete in minutes which resulted in 929.45 GB free 
 from the 1TB. All good.
 
 Started shaking with anticipation at this point and got Tim's (9yo) MacBook, 
 checked the naming was ok and set it off.. Well it just set about 
 doing a normal first time backup (49GB) which was completed within 3 hours - 
 success!
 
 Just got to reinstate the two other sparsebundles now and get it all sorted.
 
 It's been a lengthy process with lots of help from many, for which I am 
 grateful, but this issue is almost completed now.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete
 
 On 20/08/2012, at 8:28 PM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au 
 wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
 
 Well done Peter! The new drive will help you sort things out for you Time 
 Capsule and besides will be useful afterwards for future upgrades when you 
 want to make a clone.
 
 You are exactly right about the formatting. Make sure you use a GUID 
 partition table and the Mac OS Extended (Journaled) file system.
 
 Good luck!
 Carlo
 
 
 ---
 Carlo Margio
 Real World Computing
 
 mob: +61 404 296 965
 i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
 www.realworldcomputing.com.au
 
 On 20/08/2012, at 5:04 PM, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Ok, thanks again for this Carlo. I've ebay'd a 1TB external drive so I have 
 the space to do the operations below. It will probably arrive with FAT 
 formatting. I presume I will need to reformat the new drive to OS Journaled 
 so it can accomodate the sparsebundle files (4GB). Is this right?
 
 
 The rest should be straight forward.
 
 I'll revert either way with success or otherwise.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete
 
 On 08/08/2012, at 9:04 AM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au 
 wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
 
 The nice formatting of the previous was removed at the news group server 
 so I will repost just the bullet points of the previous email...
 
 
 * Obtain an external drive with enough space to store the two sparse 
 bundles you wish to keep.
 
 * Turn off all Time Machine back up from al the computers in your house.
 
 * Move the two good sparse bundles to an external drive for safe keeping.
 
 * Erase the Time Capsule using Airport Utility ( knowledge base article 
 link
  http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4522?viewlocale=en_USlocale=en_US )
 
 * At this point try to backup the new install of your 9yo's computer to 
 Time Capsule. There should be nothing stopping it now.
 
 (post back if it does not work)
 
 * Copy back the other two sparse bundles to Time Capsule
 
 * Check that the existing computers are still associated with their newly 
 reinstate sparse bundle
 
 (if not post back)
 
 
 C
 
 On 08/08/2012, at 8:57 AM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Pete,
 
 Just to wrap up this thread I'll summarise where we left things. It seems 
 the existing Time Capsule sparse bundle associated with you 9yo's MacBook 
 refuses to budge. In the end Time Capsule is an independent computer with 
 its own permissions and accounts. Apple attempts to keep these 
 permissions synchronised but there can be slip-ups.
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Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Righto, so the two 'good' sparsebundles copied off ok, then the Time Capsule 
erase. Using Airport Utility, I was presented with 4 options of how to erase 
the TC - Quick Erase, All Zeros, All Zeroes 3 times, All Zeros 7 times. I chose 
All Zeros initially and the process started ok and got to around 15% where it 
never got past - I left it for the whole weekend! Not sure why this was but 
after some learned advice from Dad, I interrupted it and did the Quick Erase 
which was complete in minutes which resulted in 929.45 GB free from the 1TB. 
All good.

Started shaking with anticipation at this point and got Tim's (9yo) MacBook, 
checked the naming was ok and set it off.. Well it just set about doing 
a normal first time backup (49GB) which was completed within 3 hours - success!

Just got to reinstate the two other sparsebundles now and get it all sorted.

It's been a lengthy process with lots of help from many, for which I am 
grateful, but this issue is almost completed now.

Regards

Pete

On 20/08/2012, at 8:28 PM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au 
wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:

 Well done Peter! The new drive will help you sort things out for you Time 
 Capsule and besides will be useful afterwards for future upgrades when you 
 want to make a clone.
 
 You are exactly right about the formatting. Make sure you use a GUID 
 partition table and the Mac OS Extended (Journaled) file system.
 
 Good luck!
 Carlo
 
 
 ---
 Carlo Margio
 Real World Computing
 
 mob: +61 404 296 965
 i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
 www.realworldcomputing.com.au
 
 On 20/08/2012, at 5:04 PM, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Ok, thanks again for this Carlo. I've ebay'd a 1TB external drive so I have 
 the space to do the operations below. It will probably arrive with FAT 
 formatting. I presume I will need to reformat the new drive to OS Journaled 
 so it can accomodate the sparsebundle files (4GB). Is this right?
 
 
 The rest should be straight forward.
 
 I'll revert either way with success or otherwise.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete
 
 On 08/08/2012, at 9:04 AM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au 
 wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
 
 The nice formatting of the previous was removed at the news group server so 
 I will repost just the bullet points of the previous email...
 
 
 * Obtain an external drive with enough space to store the two sparse 
 bundles you wish to keep.
 
 * Turn off all Time Machine back up from al the computers in your house.
 
 * Move the two good sparse bundles to an external drive for safe keeping.
 
 * Erase the Time Capsule using Airport Utility ( knowledge base article link
   http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4522?viewlocale=en_USlocale=en_US )
 
 * At this point try to backup the new install of your 9yo's computer to 
 Time Capsule. There should be nothing stopping it now.
 
 (post back if it does not work)
 
 * Copy back the other two sparse bundles to Time Capsule
 
 * Check that the existing computers are still associated with their newly 
 reinstate sparse bundle
 
 (if not post back)
 
 
 C
 
 On 08/08/2012, at 8:57 AM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Pete,
 
 Just to wrap up this thread I'll summarise where we left things. It seems 
 the existing Time Capsule sparse bundle associated with you 9yo's MacBook 
 refuses to budge. In the end Time Capsule is an independent computer with 
 its own permissions and accounts. Apple attempts to keep these permissions 
 synchronised but there can be slip-ups.
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Re: Time Machine backup

[Carlo Margio]

Keep fighting the good fight Peter. Someone may write an epic poem about your 
struggles as a guide for future generations. :-)

Best of luck!
Carlo

---
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Real World Computing

mob: +61 404 296 965
i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
www.realworldcomputing.com.au

On 10/09/2012, at 6:31 AM, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:

 Righto, so the two 'good' sparsebundles copied off ok, then the Time Capsule 
 erase. Using Airport Utility, I was presented with 4 options of how to erase 
 the TC - Quick Erase, All Zeros, All Zeroes 3 times, All Zeros 7 times. I 
 chose All Zeros initially and the process started ok and got to around 15% 
 where it never got past - I left it for the whole weekend! Not sure why this 
 was but after some learned advice from Dad, I interrupted it and did the 
 Quick Erase which was complete in minutes which resulted in 929.45 GB free 
 from the 1TB. All good.
 
 Started shaking with anticipation at this point and got Tim's (9yo) MacBook, 
 checked the naming was ok and set it off.. Well it just set about 
 doing a normal first time backup (49GB) which was completed within 3 hours - 
 success!
 
 Just got to reinstate the two other sparsebundles now and get it all sorted.
 
 It's been a lengthy process with lots of help from many, for which I am 
 grateful, but this issue is almost completed now.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete
 
 On 20/08/2012, at 8:28 PM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au 
 wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
 
 Well done Peter! The new drive will help you sort things out for you Time 
 Capsule and besides will be useful afterwards for future upgrades when you 
 want to make a clone.
 
 You are exactly right about the formatting. Make sure you use a GUID 
 partition table and the Mac OS Extended (Journaled) file system.
 
 Good luck!
 Carlo
 
 
 ---
 Carlo Margio
 Real World Computing
 
 mob: +61 404 296 965
 i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
 www.realworldcomputing.com.au
 
 On 20/08/2012, at 5:04 PM, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Ok, thanks again for this Carlo. I've ebay'd a 1TB external drive so I have 
 the space to do the operations below. It will probably arrive with FAT 
 formatting. I presume I will need to reformat the new drive to OS Journaled 
 so it can accomodate the sparsebundle files (4GB). Is this right?
 
 
 The rest should be straight forward.
 
 I'll revert either way with success or otherwise.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete
 
 On 08/08/2012, at 9:04 AM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au 
 wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
 
 The nice formatting of the previous was removed at the news group server 
 so I will repost just the bullet points of the previous email...
 
 
 * Obtain an external drive with enough space to store the two sparse 
 bundles you wish to keep.
 
 * Turn off all Time Machine back up from al the computers in your house.
 
 * Move the two good sparse bundles to an external drive for safe keeping.
 
 * Erase the Time Capsule using Airport Utility ( knowledge base article 
 link
  http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4522?viewlocale=en_USlocale=en_US )
 
 * At this point try to backup the new install of your 9yo's computer to 
 Time Capsule. There should be nothing stopping it now.
 
 (post back if it does not work)
 
 * Copy back the other two sparse bundles to Time Capsule
 
 * Check that the existing computers are still associated with their newly 
 reinstate sparse bundle
 
 (if not post back)
 
 
 C
 
 On 08/08/2012, at 8:57 AM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Pete,
 
 Just to wrap up this thread I'll summarise where we left things. It seems 
 the existing Time Capsule sparse bundle associated with you 9yo's MacBook 
 refuses to budge. In the end Time Capsule is an independent computer with 
 its own permissions and accounts. Apple attempts to keep these 
 permissions synchronised but there can be slip-ups.
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Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Ok, thanks again for this Carlo. I've ebay'd a 1TB external drive so I have the 
space to do the operations below. It will probably arrive with FAT formatting. 
I presume I will need to reformat the new drive to OS Journaled so it can 
accomodate the sparsebundle files (4GB). Is this right?


The rest should be straight forward.

I'll revert either way with success or otherwise.

Regards

Pete

On 08/08/2012, at 9:04 AM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au 
wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:

 The nice formatting of the previous was removed at the news group server so I 
 will repost just the bullet points of the previous email...
 
 
 * Obtain an external drive with enough space to store the two sparse bundles 
 you wish to keep.
 
 * Turn off all Time Machine back up from al the computers in your house.
 
 * Move the two good sparse bundles to an external drive for safe keeping.
 
 * Erase the Time Capsule using Airport Utility ( knowledge base article link
 http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4522?viewlocale=en_USlocale=en_US )
 
 * At this point try to backup the new install of your 9yo's computer to Time 
 Capsule. There should be nothing stopping it now.
 
 (post back if it does not work)
 
 * Copy back the other two sparse bundles to Time Capsule
 
 * Check that the existing computers are still associated with their newly 
 reinstate sparse bundle
 
 (if not post back)
 
 
 C
 
 On 08/08/2012, at 8:57 AM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Pete,
 
 Just to wrap up this thread I'll summarise where we left things. It seems 
 the existing Time Capsule sparse bundle associated with you 9yo's MacBook 
 refuses to budge. In the end Time Capsule is an independent computer with 
 its own permissions and accounts. Apple attempts to keep these permissions 
 synchronised but there can be slip-ups.
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Re: Time Machine backup

[wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au]

Well done Peter! The new drive will help you sort things out for you Time 
Capsule and besides will be useful afterwards for future upgrades when you want 
to make a clone.

You are exactly right about the formatting. Make sure you use a GUID partition 
table and the Mac OS Extended (Journaled) file system.

Good luck!
Carlo


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On 20/08/2012, at 5:04 PM, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:

 Ok, thanks again for this Carlo. I've ebay'd a 1TB external drive so I have 
 the space to do the operations below. It will probably arrive with FAT 
 formatting. I presume I will need to reformat the new drive to OS Journaled 
 so it can accomodate the sparsebundle files (4GB). Is this right?
 
 
 The rest should be straight forward.
 
 I'll revert either way with success or otherwise.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete
 
 On 08/08/2012, at 9:04 AM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au 
 wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
 
 The nice formatting of the previous was removed at the news group server so 
 I will repost just the bullet points of the previous email...
 
 
 * Obtain an external drive with enough space to store the two sparse bundles 
 you wish to keep.
 
 * Turn off all Time Machine back up from al the computers in your house.
 
 * Move the two good sparse bundles to an external drive for safe keeping.
 
 * Erase the Time Capsule using Airport Utility ( knowledge base article link
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4522?viewlocale=en_USlocale=en_US )
 
 * At this point try to backup the new install of your 9yo's computer to Time 
 Capsule. There should be nothing stopping it now.
 
 (post back if it does not work)
 
 * Copy back the other two sparse bundles to Time Capsule
 
 * Check that the existing computers are still associated with their newly 
 reinstate sparse bundle
 
 (if not post back)
 
 
 C
 
 On 08/08/2012, at 8:57 AM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Pete,
 
 Just to wrap up this thread I'll summarise where we left things. It seems 
 the existing Time Capsule sparse bundle associated with you 9yo's MacBook 
 refuses to budge. In the end Time Capsule is an independent computer with 
 its own permissions and accounts. Apple attempts to keep these permissions 
 synchronised but there can be slip-ups.
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Re: Time Machine backup

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 Pete...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 12:05 PM, cm wrote:
 
 Just for reference sake, here is the process you can try to delete the 
 sparse bundle. Note if you can't do this from your 9yo's computer you can 
 try it from one of the other computers.
 
 1) In Finder mount the Time Capsule by clicking on it in the Finder 
 sidebar. Navigate to the Data directory but no need to do anything 
 further in Finder.
 
 2) In Terminal now do the following
 $ cd /Volumes/Data
 
 3) At this point type
 $ ls -l
 
 and you should see User's.sparsebundle or whatever it is called
 
 4) Still in terminal type
 $ sudo rm -rf sparse bundle name
 Where sparse bundle name is the name from step 3)
 
 Good luck!
 
 Carlo
 
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 11:56 , cm cm200...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Pete,
 
 My hosting service seems to be temporarily offline so pardon the posting 
 from a older email address.
 
 Things seem to have got away from you a little. You had successfully 
 applied the update to 10.5.4. At that point you had a working computer 
 with all your data! I personally would not have wiped the data as there 
 is little benefit to a clean install if you intend to use data migration 
 assistant to bring all the cruft back.
 
 To take stock, you now have a working computer albeit with no data an a 
 non functioning Time Machine. So to try to get back on track, perhaps 
 you could proceed as follows:
 
 1) Attempt the earlier process where you use Terminal.app to delete the 
 unused sparse bundle on your Time Capsule.
 
 2) If that works and you get Time Machine functioning, do a Time Machine 
 backup just to kick things off, even though none of your valuable data 
 will be included in the backup at this point
 
 3) Use data migration assistant to bring back your data.
 
 4) Do another Time Machine backup -- this time with you data.
 
 Let us know what you choose to do and how it goes.
 
 Regards,
 Carlo
 
 
 
 
 
 Re: Time Machine backup
 Peter Crisp
 Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:23:39 -0700
 
 Ok, just about reached end of the line for options. 
 
 What I did was load the OSX disc for System update only to 10.5.4 and 
 then test 
 to see if Time Machine could mount the volume- no go.
 
 Then my objective was to do a clean instal from the 10.5.4 OSX disc, 
 but as it 
 was already the same OSX version, I was not presented with the option 
 to do a 
 clean instal. So I did Software Update to up version to 10.5.8 which it 
 did but 
 took 5 hours through the night.
 
 I tried the Time Machine process again- no good.
 
 So, go the full Monty. Clean instal back to 10.5.4. Still no Time 
 Machine image 
 mount. Some observations though which might jog someone's memory. In 
 the Change 
 Disc dialogue box of TM I have 3 items. 
 
 Item 1 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a green picture with an 
 analogue 
 clock face.
 
 Item 2 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a blue picture of 3 people 
 holding 
 hands.
 
 Item 3 says None but has a red circle with a red diagonal line through 
 it.
 
 But item 3 has been there for ages, well before introducing Tim's 
 MacBook to 
 the TC.
 
 Item 2 is the one I pick normally on Jo's MacBook and it works fine. 
 
 Another observation, when looking at Time Machine window on Tim's 
 MacBook it 
 states name as Name: Time Capsule and Available 525.4GB of 929.5GB. On 
 SWMBOs 
 MacBook, same window says Name: Time Capsule (Joannes-Time-Capsule) and 
 Available: 564.11GB of 998.06GB.
 
 It seems like there are 2 volumes or images, I really don't know what 
 to do 
 next.
 
 I haven't migrated Tim's data back in yet, to save me wasting time and 
 to 
 protect it until its all settled.
 
 I had read somewhere that Time Capsule uses the MAC address to 
 recognise a 
 machine, in doing a clean instal the MAC address doesn't change (i 
 think) and 
 so it is still attempting to do the same as I was trying 3 days ago. As 
 same 
 MAC address means same machine to the TC. Can I change the MAC address? 
 Is 
 there a plist file somewhere I can blow away to kick start it from 
 scratch?
 
 WCE performance was icing on the cake last night but the rowers did a 
 great job!
 
 Any tips?
 
 Regards
 
 Pete
 
 
 
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Re: Time Machine backup

[wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au]

 quotes 
 as needed.
 
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 12:36 PM, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Carlo, thanks for persevering with me. I did the Disk verify and 
 permissions repair - there was one identified issue to do with a group 
 code being wrong - not sure if that relates to my problem or not. In any 
 case it is now repaired. At this point I have tried with Terminal to 
 delete the User's.sparesbundle from all 3 MB's independently and each of 
 them replies after step 2 below with -bash: :$ command not found. So I 
 can't delete with terminal at the moment. However, the order of steps is 
 slightly altered when compared with your earlier instructions in that I 
 did the OSX install prior to the disk verify/repair steps. Does this 
 matter?
 
 Still unable to delete the sparesebundle and also unable to mount the 
 time machine disc image.
 
 I think you indicated earlier there is an instal process to fix the 
 bash issue I am having.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 12:05 PM, cm wrote:
 
 Just for reference sake, here is the process you can try to delete the 
 sparse bundle. Note if you can't do this from your 9yo's computer you 
 can try it from one of the other computers.
 
 1) In Finder mount the Time Capsule by clicking on it in the Finder 
 sidebar. Navigate to the Data directory but no need to do anything 
 further in Finder.
 
 2) In Terminal now do the following
 $ cd /Volumes/Data
 
 3) At this point type
 $ ls -l
 
 and you should see User's.sparsebundle or whatever it is called
 
 4) Still in terminal type
 $ sudo rm -rf sparse bundle name
 Where sparse bundle name is the name from step 3)
 
 Good luck!
 
 Carlo
 
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 11:56 , cm cm200...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Pete,
 
 My hosting service seems to be temporarily offline so pardon the 
 posting from a older email address.
 
 Things seem to have got away from you a little. You had successfully 
 applied the update to 10.5.4. At that point you had a working computer 
 with all your data! I personally would not have wiped the data as there 
 is little benefit to a clean install if you intend to use data 
 migration assistant to bring all the cruft back.
 
 To take stock, you now have a working computer albeit with no data an a 
 non functioning Time Machine. So to try to get back on track, perhaps 
 you could proceed as follows:
 
 1) Attempt the earlier process where you use Terminal.app to delete the 
 unused sparse bundle on your Time Capsule.
 
 2) If that works and you get Time Machine functioning, do a Time 
 Machine backup just to kick things off, even though none of your 
 valuable data will be included in the backup at this point
 
 3) Use data migration assistant to bring back your data.
 
 4) Do another Time Machine backup -- this time with you data.
 
 Let us know what you choose to do and how it goes.
 
 Regards,
 Carlo
 
 
 
 
 
 Re: Time Machine backup
 Peter Crisp
 Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:23:39 -0700
 
 Ok, just about reached end of the line for options. 
 
 What I did was load the OSX disc for System update only to 10.5.4 and 
 then test 
 to see if Time Machine could mount the volume- no go.
 
 Then my objective was to do a clean instal from the 10.5.4 OSX disc, 
 but as it 
 was already the same OSX version, I was not presented with the option 
 to do a 
 clean instal. So I did Software Update to up version to 10.5.8 which 
 it did but 
 took 5 hours through the night.
 
 I tried the Time Machine process again- no good.
 
 So, go the full Monty. Clean instal back to 10.5.4. Still no Time 
 Machine image 
 mount. Some observations though which might jog someone's memory. In 
 the Change 
 Disc dialogue box of TM I have 3 items. 
 
 Item 1 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a green picture with an 
 analogue 
 clock face.
 
 Item 2 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a blue picture of 3 people 
 holding 
 hands.
 
 Item 3 says None but has a red circle with a red diagonal line through 
 it.
 
 But item 3 has been there for ages, well before introducing Tim's 
 MacBook to 
 the TC.
 
 Item 2 is the one I pick normally on Jo's MacBook and it works fine. 
 
 Another observation, when looking at Time Machine window on Tim's 
 MacBook it 
 states name as Name: Time Capsule and Available 525.4GB of 929.5GB. On 
 SWMBOs 
 MacBook, same window says Name: Time Capsule (Joannes-Time-Capsule) 
 and 
 Available: 564.11GB of 998.06GB.
 
 It seems like there are 2 volumes or images, I really don't know what 
 to do 
 next.
 
 I haven't migrated Tim's data back in yet, to save me wasting time and 
 to 
 protect it until its all settled.
 
 I had read somewhere that Time Capsule uses the MAC address to 
 recognise a 
 machine, in doing a clean instal the MAC address doesn't change (i 
 think) and 
 so it is still attempting to do the same as I was trying 3 days ago. 
 As same 
 MAC address means same machine to the TC. Can I change the MAC 
 address? Is 
 there a plist file somewhere I can

Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Thanks Carlo and Ronni too for direct support on this topic.

I agree with your recommended actions there Carlo, I'll get a 1TB external to 
act as temp storage of the two 'good' sparsebundles and then gradually 
reintroduce the MBs to the TC post reset. Hopefully an amicable process for all 
units.

Will revert hopefully with a successful closure.

A positive byproduct of all this I have to say has been a much increased 
awareness for me of cloning, migration assistant, computer naming and Terminal 
commands.

Regards

Pete


On 08/08/2012, at 8:57 AM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au 
wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:

 Hi Pete,
 
 Just to wrap up this thread I'll summarise where we left things. It seems the 
 existing Time Capsule sparse bundle associated with you 9yo's MacBook refuses 
 to budge. In the end Time Capsule is an independent computer with its own 
 permissions and accounts. Apple attempts to keep these permissions 
 synchronised but there can be slip-ups.
 
 So failing deleting the old sparse bundle here is a proposed fall back 
 position:
 Obtain an external drive with enough space to store the two sparse bundles 
 you wish to keep.
 Turn off all Time Machine back up from al the computers in your house.
 Move the two good sparse bundles to an external drive for safe keeping.
 Erase the Time Capsule using Airport Utility 
 (http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4522?viewlocale=en_USlocale=en_US )
 At this point try to backup the new install of your 9yo’s computer to Time 
 Capsule, there should be nothing stopping it now. (post back if it does not 
 work)
 Copy back the other two sparse bundles to Time Capsule
 Check that the existing computers are still associated with their newly 
 reinstate sparse bundle (if not post back)
 I know you will be away for a couple of weeks, so let us know how things go 
 when you get back.
 
 Regards
 Carlo
 
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 On 05/08/2012, at 8:55 PM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
 
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Re: Time Machine backup

[wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au]

 use Terminal.app to delete the 
 unused sparse bundle on your Time Capsule.
 
 2) If that works and you get Time Machine functioning, do a Time Machine 
 backup just to kick things off, even though none of your valuable data 
 will be included in the backup at this point
 
 3) Use data migration assistant to bring back your data.
 
 4) Do another Time Machine backup -- this time with you data.
 
 Let us know what you choose to do and how it goes.
 
 Regards,
 Carlo
 
 
 
 
 
 Re: Time Machine backup
 Peter Crisp
 Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:23:39 -0700
 
 Ok, just about reached end of the line for options. 
 
 What I did was load the OSX disc for System update only to 10.5.4 and 
 then test 
 to see if Time Machine could mount the volume- no go.
 
 Then my objective was to do a clean instal from the 10.5.4 OSX disc, but 
 as it 
 was already the same OSX version, I was not presented with the option to 
 do a 
 clean instal. So I did Software Update to up version to 10.5.8 which it 
 did but 
 took 5 hours through the night.
 
 I tried the Time Machine process again- no good.
 
 So, go the full Monty. Clean instal back to 10.5.4. Still no Time 
 Machine image 
 mount. Some observations though which might jog someone's memory. In the 
 Change 
 Disc dialogue box of TM I have 3 items. 
 
 Item 1 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a green picture with an 
 analogue 
 clock face.
 
 Item 2 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a blue picture of 3 people 
 holding 
 hands.
 
 Item 3 says None but has a red circle with a red diagonal line through 
 it.
 
 But item 3 has been there for ages, well before introducing Tim's 
 MacBook to 
 the TC.
 
 Item 2 is the one I pick normally on Jo's MacBook and it works fine. 
 
 Another observation, when looking at Time Machine window on Tim's 
 MacBook it 
 states name as Name: Time Capsule and Available 525.4GB of 929.5GB. On 
 SWMBOs 
 MacBook, same window says Name: Time Capsule (Joannes-Time-Capsule) and 
 Available: 564.11GB of 998.06GB.
 
 It seems like there are 2 volumes or images, I really don't know what to 
 do 
 next.
 
 I haven't migrated Tim's data back in yet, to save me wasting time and 
 to 
 protect it until its all settled.
 
 I had read somewhere that Time Capsule uses the MAC address to recognise 
 a 
 machine, in doing a clean instal the MAC address doesn't change (i 
 think) and 
 so it is still attempting to do the same as I was trying 3 days ago. As 
 same 
 MAC address means same machine to the TC. Can I change the MAC address? 
 Is 
 there a plist file somewhere I can blow away to kick start it from 
 scratch?
 
 WCE performance was icing on the cake last night but the rowers did a 
 great job!
 
 Any tips?
 
 Regards
 
 Pete
 
 
 
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Re: Time Machine backup

[wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au]

Hi Pete. Breath into a paper bag and beg forbearance from SWMBO and your 9yo. 
:-D

The clone is there as a safety net. If something goes dramatically wrong (and 
there is no reason to believe it will) you can copy the clone back onto your 
MacBook -- no harm no fowl.

Firstly I would take one step at a time and would *not* use this as an 
opportunity to upgrade the OS. Get your system tuned perfectly and Time Machine 
working again and then perform the upgrade if you choose. You will need to 
check the model of you MacBook in any case to see wheter it can be upgraded to 
10.6 or not.

If I understand correctly the machine currently is running 10.5.8 and you have 
a OS X disk with 10.5.4. That should not be a problem. 

1) Run the install over the top of the current installation using the 10.5.4 
disk.
2) Repair permission.
3) Get Time Machine functioning and allow it to finish backing up.
4) Download and and run any software updates from Apple Menu  Software 
Update...

This should get you in a good position to do the OS upgrade if you choose.

If you need help with the upgrade, feel free to start a new thread and we will 
help where we can.

Regards,
Carlo

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On 04/08/2012, at 13:52 , Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:

 Ok, thanks for all that Carlo. Cloning process is underway.
 
 In the mean time I went looking for system disc. The two black MacBooks were 
 a purchase of reformatted MBs loaded with 10.5.8 from my previous employer. 
 I've never needed the system instal discs before now too. 
 
 So I have system OSX discs for 10.5.2, 10.5.4 and 10.6.1 (from SWMBOs white 
 MacBook). Do I take a leap and go 10.6.1 or end up backward from 10.5.8 where 
 it currently is?
 
 Having cloned 10.5.8, is the data restore process easy into a 10.6.x machine?
 
 I've NEVER done a system restore before so a little unsure and dreading the 
 consequences of destroying my 9yo's Minecraft creations!!!
 
 Regards
 
 Pete
 
 
 On 04/08/2012, at 10:34 AM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au 
 wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Pete,
 
 The best format is Mac OS Extended (Journaled) with a GUID Partition Table 
 but ultimately you can, with extra work, get back to normal from anything 
 that records all your data. You could also do a Time Machine backup rather 
 than a clone.
 
 As for the size difference, you are quite right that you may be able to get 
 by with the smaller drive. Here are some areas where you could save files. I 
 have put them in approximate order that I would leave things out until I had 
 enough space. For you it may be different.
 
 1) Choose not to clone any directories that you would not miss if they where 
 not there. In my case say a collection of iView downloads. You may also be 
 able to get by without your Downloads directory.
 
 2) You can leave out directories that you have copies of on other computers.
 
 3) If you need some files in the Downloads folder, trim any .dmg files that 
 you have already installed or that can be easily downloaded again. In my 
 case, say a Mountain Lion image or the latest Libre Office .dmg files.
 
 4) The software will make a few smart choices for you. It will likely not, 
 for instance, copy the paging file if you happen to have one.
 
 5) Clean our your caches and log files.
 
 7) Least favourable choice but in a pinch. Remember that your operating 
 system refresh is very likely to work with no data loss. So if there is a 
 directory of files that you have been thinking about deleting in any case 
 you can exclude it from the clone. Some old podcasts or videocasts that you 
 never seem to get around to listening to my be candidates.
 
 Good luck, and keep us posted. :-)
 
 Regards,
 Carlo
 
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 On 04/08/2012, at 8:47 , Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Ok thanks for that Carlo, I understand what you're saying, I have a spare 
 150GB external drive, what format does it need setting as to create the 
 clone? It is a 250GB Macbook with 180GB showing available in Finder, I 
 think the 150GB is big enough for this cloning process. I will do a browse 
 for the CCC 3.4.x version.
 
 Thanks heaps for help here. 
 
 Stay tuned - !
 
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Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Ok, thanks and I agree with the conservative approach.

I'll do this over today after WCE game- result permitting!!! There might be 
blood involved.

Thanks for the guidance.

Regards

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On 04/08/2012, at 2:12 PM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au 
wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:

 Hi Pete. Breath into a paper bag and beg forbearance from SWMBO and your 9yo. 
 :-D
 
 The clone is there as a safety net. If something goes dramatically wrong (and 
 there is no reason to believe it will) you can copy the clone back onto your 
 MacBook -- no harm no fowl.
 
 Firstly I would take one step at a time and would *not* use this as an 
 opportunity to upgrade the OS. Get your system tuned perfectly and Time 
 Machine working again and then perform the upgrade if you choose. You will 
 need to check the model of you MacBook in any case to see wheter it can be 
 upgraded to 10.6 or not.
 
 If I understand correctly the machine currently is running 10.5.8 and you 
 have a OS X disk with 10.5.4. That should not be a problem. 
 
 1) Run the install over the top of the current installation using the 10.5.4 
 disk.
 2) Repair permission.
 3) Get Time Machine functioning and allow it to finish backing up.
 4) Download and and run any software updates from Apple Menu  Software 
 Update...
 
 This should get you in a good position to do the OS upgrade if you choose.
 
 If you need help with the upgrade, feel free to start a new thread and we 
 will help where we can.
 
 Regards,
 Carlo
 
 ---
 Carlo Margio
 Real World Computing
 
 mob: 0404 296 965
 i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
 www.realworldcomputing.com.au
 
 On 04/08/2012, at 13:52 , Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Ok, thanks for all that Carlo. Cloning process is underway.
 
 In the mean time I went looking for system disc. The two black MacBooks were 
 a purchase of reformatted MBs loaded with 10.5.8 from my previous employer. 
 I've never needed the system instal discs before now too. 
 
 So I have system OSX discs for 10.5.2, 10.5.4 and 10.6.1 (from SWMBOs white 
 MacBook). Do I take a leap and go 10.6.1 or end up backward from 10.5.8 
 where it currently is?
 
 Having cloned 10.5.8, is the data restore process easy into a 10.6.x machine?
 
 I've NEVER done a system restore before so a little unsure and dreading the 
 consequences of destroying my 9yo's Minecraft creations!!!
 
 Regards
 
 Pete
 
 
 On 04/08/2012, at 10:34 AM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au 
 wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Pete,
 
 The best format is Mac OS Extended (Journaled) with a GUID Partition Table 
 but ultimately you can, with extra work, get back to normal from anything 
 that records all your data. You could also do a Time Machine backup rather 
 than a clone.
 
 As for the size difference, you are quite right that you may be able to get 
 by with the smaller drive. Here are some areas where you could save files. 
 I have put them in approximate order that I would leave things out until I 
 had enough space. For you it may be different.
 
 1) Choose not to clone any directories that you would not miss if they 
 where not there. In my case say a collection of iView downloads. You may 
 also be able to get by without your Downloads directory.
 
 2) You can leave out directories that you have copies of on other computers.
 
 3) If you need some files in the Downloads folder, trim any .dmg files that 
 you have already installed or that can be easily downloaded again. In my 
 case, say a Mountain Lion image or the latest Libre Office .dmg files.
 
 4) The software will make a few smart choices for you. It will likely not, 
 for instance, copy the paging file if you happen to have one.
 
 5) Clean our your caches and log files.
 
 7) Least favourable choice but in a pinch. Remember that your operating 
 system refresh is very likely to work with no data loss. So if there is a 
 directory of files that you have been thinking about deleting in any case 
 you can exclude it from the clone. Some old podcasts or videocasts that you 
 never seem to get around to listening to my be candidates.
 
 Good luck, and keep us posted. :-)
 
 Regards,
 Carlo
 
 ---
 Carlo Margio
 Real World Computing
 
 mob: 0404 296 965
 i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
 www.realworldcomputing.com.au
 
 On 04/08/2012, at 8:47 , Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Ok thanks for that Carlo, I understand what you're saying, I have a spare 
 150GB external drive, what format does it need setting as to create the 
 clone? It is a 250GB Macbook with 180GB showing available in Finder, I 
 think the 150GB is big enough for this cloning process. I will do a browse 
 for the CCC 3.4.x version.
 
 Thanks heaps for help here. 
 
 Stay tuned - !
 
 Regards
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Re: Time Machine backup

[Daniel Kerr]

 and 10.6.1 (from SWMBOs white 
 MacBook). Do I take a leap and go 10.6.1 or end up backward from 10.5.8 
 where it currently is?
 
 Having cloned 10.5.8, is the data restore process easy into a 10.6.x machine?
 
 I've NEVER done a system restore before so a little unsure and dreading the 
 consequences of destroying my 9yo's Minecraft creations!!!
 
 Regards
 
 Pete
 
 
 On 04/08/2012, at 10:34 AM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au 
 wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Pete,
 
 The best format is Mac OS Extended (Journaled) with a GUID Partition Table 
 but ultimately you can, with extra work, get back to normal from anything 
 that records all your data. You could also do a Time Machine backup rather 
 than a clone.
 
 As for the size difference, you are quite right that you may be able to get 
 by with the smaller drive. Here are some areas where you could save files. 
 I have put them in approximate order that I would leave things out until I 
 had enough space. For you it may be different.
 
 1) Choose not to clone any directories that you would not miss if they 
 where not there. In my case say a collection of iView downloads. You may 
 also be able to get by without your Downloads directory.
 
 2) You can leave out directories that you have copies of on other computers.
 
 3) If you need some files in the Downloads folder, trim any .dmg files that 
 you have already installed or that can be easily downloaded again. In my 
 case, say a Mountain Lion image or the latest Libre Office .dmg files.
 
 4) The software will make a few smart choices for you. It will likely not, 
 for instance, copy the paging file if you happen to have one.
 
 5) Clean our your caches and log files.
 
 7) Least favourable choice but in a pinch. Remember that your operating 
 system refresh is very likely to work with no data loss. So if there is a 
 directory of files that you have been thinking about deleting in any case 
 you can exclude it from the clone. Some old podcasts or videocasts that you 
 never seem to get around to listening to my be candidates.
 
 Good luck, and keep us posted. :-)
 
 Regards,
 Carlo
 
 ---
 Carlo Margio
 Real World Computing
 
 mob: 0404 296 965
 i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
 www.realworldcomputing.com.au
 
 On 04/08/2012, at 8:47 , Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Ok thanks for that Carlo, I understand what you're saying, I have a spare 
 150GB external drive, what format does it need setting as to create the 
 clone? It is a 250GB Macbook with 180GB showing available in Finder, I 
 think the 150GB is big enough for this cloning process. I will do a browse 
 for the CCC 3.4.x version.
 
 Thanks heaps for help here. 
 
 Stay tuned - !
 
 Regards
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Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Thanks Daniel, the cloning worked fine and I did a successful restart from the 
clone and all seems fine.

While the WCE get clobbered I'll think about which approach to go with. Given 
its for a 9yo, not sure if there is benefit with 10.6.x over 10.5.x but I can 
see merit in your recommendation especially if Migration Assistant makes the 
data move easy.

Regards

Pete


On 04/08/2012, at 2:55 PM, Daniel Kerr wa...@macwizardry.com.au wrote:

 I'd tend to disagree on this one,.. ;) lol.
 If the clone backup is fine (If you've booted off it to test and ensure that 
 it does work) then I'd use the opportunity to jump to 10.6.x in one go.
 If you've got a 10.6 CD (last retail one was 10.6.3) then you could install 
 that on the laptop as a clean install, then once it gets to the Migration 
 part you can then Migrate direct from the clone that you made. That way all 
 the personal data etc is going to migrate back to the MacBook. You can then 
 update it with Software Update to 10.6.8 which will run fine on that MacBook. 
 That way you're doing it all in one go and getting a nice clean starting 
 system.
 And everything that is on it currently should run fine. (Though if some of it 
 is older software you may need to ensure to add/install Rosetta. (It will 
 advise you if it needs it anyway), and it just downloads it from Apple should 
 it require it.
 
 You can then set up Time Machine to do backup and all is good.
 
 To me this would be an easier way (and cleaner) to get it all up and working 
 again.
 And if all else fails you can always go back to cloning the clone drive back 
 to the MacBook anyway. So there's always a Plan B (And Plan C).
 
 The only thing that may be a thorn in this whole plan is if the 10.6.1 disc 
 is specific to the white MacBook. Ranges of machines have discs that only 
 work on those models. ie you can't take one models disc and install on a 
 different model machine. Though if they are fairly similar MacBook's you may 
 be fine. To test this, I'd boot off the 10.6.1 and work through as if you 
 were going to install and see if it gets right up to the Install button or 
 if it errors out. If it doesnt' give you an error and you get right to the 
 Instal button then you should be fine. If it gives you an error then you 
 know that that isn't going to work. (it will normally say something like 
 this System can't be installed on this type of machine etc etc. Or 
 something like that. Then you can just Quit out of the installer and go back 
 to the normal boot drive.
 
 As always, ensure you have a good backup before you start and a fall back 
 plan incase. :o)
 
 That would be me thinking anyway. (Sorry Carlo, but hey, everyone does things 
 differently,..lol. I have a feeling Ronni would agree, though I'm sure she's 
 off watching or getting ready for the rowing,...hehe.) :o) 
 That's the way I've done it for other clients when upgrading or changing hard 
 drive capacities and upgrading at the same time. Rather then cloning the old 
 drive to the new then upgrading, it's just as easy to install new OS and 
 migrate data. You then end up with a bit more of a cleaner upgrade I find. 
 (Again this is just my experience and opinion) :o)
 
 Good luck either way. Hope it goes to plan.
 One of those jobs,..easy to sit down and do (or show),..not so easy to try 
 and explain via email.
 (I tried dictating this while heading home but gave up as it just wasn't 
 coming through so decided to wait while I wasn't driving and home,lol).
 
 Kind regards
 Daniel
 ---
 Daniel Kerr
 MacWizardry
 
 Phone: 0414 795 960
 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au
 Web:   http://www.macwizardry.com.au
 
 
 **For everything Apple**
 
 On 04/08/2012, at 2:12 PM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Pete. Breath into a paper bag and beg forbearance from SWMBO and your 
 9yo. :-D
 
 The clone is there as a safety net. If something goes dramatically wrong 
 (and there is no reason to believe it will) you can copy the clone back onto 
 your MacBook -- no harm no fowl.
 
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Re: Time Machine backup

[Ronda Brown]

Yes I agree with you Daniel!

Why go backwards IF you can go forward...
It will depend on whether the OS X 10.6.1 is computer specific (to the White 
MacBook) as Daniel has mentioned below.

Peter, you are then are getting a Clean Install of the system and Migration 
this way is also a cleaner.

And YES, Ronni is getting 'ready' for the Men's Four Rowing Final A  with 
Will  The Boys stroking as fast as they can.

Cheers,
'Ronni Has Left The Building'

On 04/08/2012, at 3:31 PM, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:

 Thanks Daniel, the cloning worked fine and I did a successful restart from 
 the clone and all seems fine.
 
 While the WCE get clobbered I'll think about which approach to go with. Given 
 its for a 9yo, not sure if there is benefit with 10.6.x over 10.5.x but I can 
 see merit in your recommendation especially if Migration Assistant makes the 
 data move easy.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete
 
 
 On 04/08/2012, at 2:55 PM, Daniel Kerr wa...@macwizardry.com.au wrote:
 
 I'd tend to disagree on this one,.. ;) lol.
 If the clone backup is fine (If you've booted off it to test and ensure that 
 it does work) then I'd use the opportunity to jump to 10.6.x in one go.
 If you've got a 10.6 CD (last retail one was 10.6.3) then you could install 
 that on the laptop as a clean install, then once it gets to the Migration 
 part you can then Migrate direct from the clone that you made. That way all 
 the personal data etc is going to migrate back to the MacBook. You can then 
 update it with Software Update to 10.6.8 which will run fine on that 
 MacBook. That way you're doing it all in one go and getting a nice clean 
 starting system.
 And everything that is on it currently should run fine. (Though if some of 
 it is older software you may need to ensure to add/install Rosetta. (It will 
 advise you if it needs it anyway), and it just downloads it from Apple 
 should it require it.
 
 You can then set up Time Machine to do backup and all is good.
 
 To me this would be an easier way (and cleaner) to get it all up and working 
 again.
 And if all else fails you can always go back to cloning the clone drive back 
 to the MacBook anyway. So there's always a Plan B (And Plan C).
 
 The only thing that may be a thorn in this whole plan is if the 10.6.1 disc 
 is specific to the white MacBook. Ranges of machines have discs that only 
 work on those models. ie you can't take one models disc and install on a 
 different model machine. Though if they are fairly similar MacBook's you may 
 be fine. To test this, I'd boot off the 10.6.1 and work through as if you 
 were going to install and see if it gets right up to the Install button or 
 if it errors out. If it doesnt' give you an error and you get right to the 
 Instal button then you should be fine. If it gives you an error then you 
 know that that isn't going to work. (it will normally say something like 
 this System can't be installed on this type of machine etc etc. Or 
 something like that. Then you can just Quit out of the installer and go back 
 to the normal boot drive.
 
 As always, ensure you have a good backup before you start and a fall back 
 plan incase. :o)
 
 That would be me thinking anyway. (Sorry Carlo, but hey, everyone does 
 things differently,..lol. I have a feeling Ronni would agree, though I'm 
 sure she's off watching or getting ready for the rowing,...hehe.) :o) 
 That's the way I've done it for other clients when upgrading or changing 
 hard drive capacities and upgrading at the same time. Rather then cloning 
 the old drive to the new then upgrading, it's just as easy to install new OS 
 and migrate data. You then end up with a bit more of a cleaner upgrade I 
 find. (Again this is just my experience and opinion) :o)
 
 Good luck either way. Hope it goes to plan.
 One of those jobs,..easy to sit down and do (or show),..not so easy to try 
 and explain via email.
 (I tried dictating this while heading home but gave up as it just wasn't 
 coming through so decided to wait while I wasn't driving and home,lol).
 
 Kind regards
 Daniel
 ---
 Daniel Kerr
 MacWizardry
 
 Phone: 0414 795 960
 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au
 Web:   http://www.macwizardry.com.au
 
 
 **For everything Apple**
 
 On 04/08/2012, at 2:12 PM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Pete. Breath into a paper bag and beg forbearance from SWMBO and your 
 9yo. :-D
 
 The clone is there as a safety net. If something goes dramatically wrong 
 (and there is no reason to believe it will) you can copy the clone back 
 onto your MacBook -- no harm no fowl.

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Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Thanks Ronni, I read the OSX 10.6.1 install disc which states This software is 
part of a hardware bundle purchase-not to be sold separately. Probably means 
it is linked to the white MB and not transferable to the black MB.

I could still give it a try per Daniels suggestion and worst case a clean 
instal with 10.5.4 and Software Update then data migrate back from the clone.


Regards

Pete


On 04/08/2012, at 3:55 PM, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:

 Yes I agree with you Daniel!
 
 Why go backwards IF you can go forward...
 It will depend on whether the OS X 10.6.1 is computer specific (to the 
 White MacBook) as Daniel has mentioned below.
 
 Peter, you are then are getting a Clean Install of the system and Migration 
 this way is also a cleaner.
 
 And YES, Ronni is getting 'ready' for the Men's Four Rowing Final A  
 with Will  The Boys stroking as fast as they can.
 
 Cheers,
 'Ronni Has Left The Building'
 
 On 04/08/2012, at 3:31 PM, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Thanks Daniel, the cloning worked fine and I did a successful restart from 
 the clone and all seems fine.
 
 While the WCE get clobbered I'll think about which approach to go with. 
 Given its for a 9yo, not sure if there is benefit with 10.6.x over 10.5.x 
 but I can see merit in your recommendation especially if Migration Assistant 
 makes the data move easy.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete
 
 
 On 04/08/2012, at 2:55 PM, Daniel Kerr wa...@macwizardry.com.au wrote:
 
 I'd tend to disagree on this one,.. ;) lol.
 If the clone backup is fine (If you've booted off it to test and ensure 
 that it does work) then I'd use the opportunity to jump to 10.6.x in one go.
 If you've got a 10.6 CD (last retail one was 10.6.3) then you could install 
 that on the laptop as a clean install, then once it gets to the Migration 
 part you can then Migrate direct from the clone that you made. That way all 
 the personal data etc is going to migrate back to the MacBook. You can then 
 update it with Software Update to 10.6.8 which will run fine on that 
 MacBook. That way you're doing it all in one go and getting a nice clean 
 starting system.
 And everything that is on it currently should run fine. (Though if some of 
 it is older software you may need to ensure to add/install Rosetta. (It 
 will advise you if it needs it anyway), and it just downloads it from Apple 
 should it require it.
 
 You can then set up Time Machine to do backup and all is good.
 
 To me this would be an easier way (and cleaner) to get it all up and 
 working again.
 And if all else fails you can always go back to cloning the clone drive 
 back to the MacBook anyway. So there's always a Plan B (And Plan C).
 
 The only thing that may be a thorn in this whole plan is if the 10.6.1 disc 
 is specific to the white MacBook. Ranges of machines have discs that only 
 work on those models. ie you can't take one models disc and install on a 
 different model machine. Though if they are fairly similar MacBook's you 
 may be fine. To test this, I'd boot off the 10.6.1 and work through as if 
 you were going to install and see if it gets right up to the Install 
 button or if it errors out. If it doesnt' give you an error and you get 
 right to the Instal button then you should be fine. If it gives you an 
 error then you know that that isn't going to work. (it will normally say 
 something like this System can't be installed on this type of machine etc 
 etc. Or something like that. Then you can just Quit out of the installer 
 and go back to the normal boot drive.
 
 As always, ensure you have a good backup before you start and a fall back 
 plan incase. :o)
 
 That would be me thinking anyway. (Sorry Carlo, but hey, everyone does 
 things differently,..lol. I have a feeling Ronni would agree, though I'm 
 sure she's off watching or getting ready for the rowing,...hehe.) :o) 
 That's the way I've done it for other clients when upgrading or changing 
 hard drive capacities and upgrading at the same time. Rather then cloning 
 the old drive to the new then upgrading, it's just as easy to install new 
 OS and migrate data. You then end up with a bit more of a cleaner upgrade I 
 find. (Again this is just my experience and opinion) :o)
 
 Good luck either way. Hope it goes to plan.
 One of those jobs,..easy to sit down and do (or show),..not so easy to try 
 and explain via email.
 (I tried dictating this while heading home but gave up as it just wasn't 
 coming through so decided to wait while I wasn't driving and home,lol).
 
 Kind regards
 Daniel
 ---
 Daniel Kerr
 MacWizardry
 
 Phone: 0414 795 960
 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au
 Web:   http://www.macwizardry.com.au
 
 
 **For everything Apple**
 
 On 04/08/2012, at 2:12 PM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Pete. Breath into a paper bag and beg forbearance from SWMBO and your 
 9yo. :-D
 
 The clone is there as a safety net. If something goes dramatically wrong 
 (and there is no reason to believe it 

Re: Time Machine backup

[wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au]

Hi Pete,

Both alternatives are valid but just a quick word on the subject. If you truly 
value your data and want to use the clean install approach then you probably 
should make a second clone just to be sure. The clean install approach creates 
a single point of failure; the cloned drive.

If the external drive fails between the clean install and the migration your 
data is lost. This is highly unlikely but if it were my photo collection for 
instance, I would make a second clone or at the least a quick copy of the most 
valuable data such as a photo collection.

Regards,
Carlo

---
Carlo Margio
Real World Computing

mob: 0404 296 965
i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
www.realworldcomputing.com.au

On 04/08/2012, at 16:53 , Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:

 Thanks Ronni, I read the OSX 10.6.1 install disc which states This software 
 is part of a hardware bundle purchase-not to be sold separately. Probably 
 means it is linked to the white MB and not transferable to the black MB.
 
 I could still give it a try per Daniels suggestion and worst case a clean 
 instal with 10.5.4 and Software Update then data migrate back from the clone.
 
 
 Regards
 
 Pete
 
 
 On 04/08/2012, at 3:55 PM, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Yes I agree with you Daniel!
 
 Why go backwards IF you can go forward...
 It will depend on whether the OS X 10.6.1 is computer specific (to the 
 White MacBook) as Daniel has mentioned below.
 
 Peter, you are then are getting a Clean Install of the system and Migration 
 this way is also a cleaner.
 
 And YES, Ronni is getting 'ready' for the Men's Four Rowing Final A  
 with Will  The Boys stroking as fast as they can.
 
 Cheers,
 'Ronni Has Left The Building'
 
 On 04/08/2012, at 3:31 PM, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Thanks Daniel, the cloning worked fine and I did a successful restart from 
 the clone and all seems fine.
 
 While the WCE get clobbered I'll think about which approach to go with. 
 Given its for a 9yo, not sure if there is benefit with 10.6.x over 10.5.x 
 but I can see merit in your recommendation especially if Migration 
 Assistant makes the data move easy.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete
 
 
 On 04/08/2012, at 2:55 PM, Daniel Kerr wa...@macwizardry.com.au wrote:
 
 I'd tend to disagree on this one,.. ;) lol.
 If the clone backup is fine (If you've booted off it to test and ensure 
 that it does work) then I'd use the opportunity to jump to 10.6.x in one 
 go.
 If you've got a 10.6 CD (last retail one was 10.6.3) then you could 
 install that on the laptop as a clean install, then once it gets to the 
 Migration part you can then Migrate direct from the clone that you made. 
 That way all the personal data etc is going to migrate back to the 
 MacBook. You can then update it with Software Update to 10.6.8 which will 
 run fine on that MacBook. That way you're doing it all in one go and 
 getting a nice clean starting system.
 And everything that is on it currently should run fine. (Though if some of 
 it is older software you may need to ensure to add/install Rosetta. (It 
 will advise you if it needs it anyway), and it just downloads it from 
 Apple should it require it.
 
 You can then set up Time Machine to do backup and all is good.
 
 To me this would be an easier way (and cleaner) to get it all up and 
 working again.
 And if all else fails you can always go back to cloning the clone drive 
 back to the MacBook anyway. So there's always a Plan B (And Plan C).
 
 The only thing that may be a thorn in this whole plan is if the 10.6.1 
 disc is specific to the white MacBook. Ranges of machines have discs 
 that only work on those models. ie you can't take one models disc and 
 install on a different model machine. Though if they are fairly similar 
 MacBook's you may be fine. To test this, I'd boot off the 10.6.1 and work 
 through as if you were going to install and see if it gets right up to the 
 Install button or if it errors out. If it doesnt' give you an error and 
 you get right to the Instal button then you should be fine. If it gives 
 you an error then you know that that isn't going to work. (it will 
 normally say something like this System can't be installed on this type 
 of machine etc etc. Or something like that. Then you can just Quit out of 
 the installer and go back to the normal boot drive.
 
 As always, ensure you have a good backup before you start and a fall back 
 plan incase. :o)
 
 That would be me thinking anyway. (Sorry Carlo, but hey, everyone does 
 things differently,..lol. I have a feeling Ronni would agree, though I'm 
 sure she's off watching or getting ready for the rowing,...hehe.) :o) 
 That's the way I've done it for other clients when upgrading or changing 
 hard drive capacities and upgrading at the same time. Rather then cloning 
 the old drive to the new then upgrading, it's just as easy to install new 
 OS and migrate data. You then end up with a bit more of a cleaner upgrade 
 I find. (Again this 

Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Ok, just about reached end of the line for options. 

What I did was load the OSX disc for System update only to 10.5.4 and then test 
to see if Time Machine could mount the volume- no go.

Then my objective was to do a clean instal from the 10.5.4 OSX disc, but as it 
was already the same OSX version, I was not presented with the option to do a 
clean instal. So I did Software Update to up version to 10.5.8 which it did but 
took 5 hours through the night.

I tried the Time Machine process again- no good.

So, go the full Monty. Clean instal back to 10.5.4. Still no Time Machine image 
mount. Some observations though which might jog someone's memory. In the Change 
Disc dialogue box of TM I have 3 items. 

Item 1 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a green picture with an analogue 
clock face.

Item 2 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a blue picture of 3 people holding 
hands.

Item 3 says None but has a red circle with a red diagonal line through it.

But item 3 has been there for ages, well before introducing Tim's MacBook to 
the TC.

Item 2 is the one I pick normally on Jo's MacBook and it works fine. 

Another observation, when looking at Time Machine window on Tim's MacBook it 
states name as Name: Time Capsule and Available 525.4GB of 929.5GB. On SWMBOs 
MacBook, same window says Name: Time Capsule (Joannes-Time-Capsule) and 
Available: 564.11GB of 998.06GB.

It seems like there are 2 volumes or images, I really don't know what to do 
next.

I haven't migrated Tim's data back in yet, to save me wasting time and to 
protect it until its all settled.

I had read somewhere that Time Capsule uses the MAC address to recognise a 
machine, in doing a clean instal the MAC address doesn't change (i think) and 
so it is still attempting to do the same as I was trying 3 days ago. As same 
MAC address means same machine to the TC. Can I change the MAC address? Is 
there a plist file somewhere I can blow away to kick start it from scratch?

WCE performance was icing on the cake last night but the rowers did a great job!

Any tips?

Regards

Pete


On 04/08/2012, at 7:03 PM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au 
wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:

 Hi Pete,
 
 Both alternatives are valid but just a quick word on the subject. If you 
 truly value your data and want to use the clean install approach then you 
 probably should make a second clone just to be sure. The clean install 
 approach creates a single point of failure; the cloned drive.
 
 If the external drive fails between the clean install and the migration your 
 data is lost. This is highly unlikely but if it were my photo collection for 
 instance, I would make a second clone or at the least a quick copy of the 
 most valuable data such as a photo collection.
 
 Regards,
 Carlo
 
 ---
 Carlo Margio
 Real World Computing
 
 mob: 0404 296 965
 i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
 www.realworldcomputing.com.au
 
 On 04/08/2012, at 16:53 , Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Thanks Ronni, I read the OSX 10.6.1 install disc which states This software 
 is part of a hardware bundle purchase-not to be sold separately. Probably 
 means it is linked to the white MB and not transferable to the black MB.
 
 I could still give it a try per Daniels suggestion and worst case a clean 
 instal with 10.5.4 and Software Update then data migrate back from the clone.
 
 
 Regards
 
 Pete
 
 
 On 04/08/2012, at 3:55 PM, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Yes I agree with you Daniel!
 
 Why go backwards IF you can go forward...
 It will depend on whether the OS X 10.6.1 is computer specific (to the 
 White MacBook) as Daniel has mentioned below.
 
 Peter, you are then are getting a Clean Install of the system and Migration 
 this way is also a cleaner.
 
 And YES, Ronni is getting 'ready' for the Men's Four Rowing Final A  
 with Will  The Boys stroking as fast as they can.
 
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Re: Time Machine backup

[cm]

Hi Pete,

My hosting service seems to be temporarily offline so pardon the posting from a 
older email address.

Things seem to have got away from you a little. You had successfully applied 
the update to 10.5.4. At that point you had a working computer with all your 
data! I personally would not have wiped the data as there is little benefit to 
a clean install if you intend to use data migration assistant to bring all the 
cruft back.

To take stock, you now have a working computer albeit with no data an a non 
functioning Time Machine. So to try to get back on track, perhaps you could 
proceed as follows:

1) Attempt the earlier process where you use Terminal.app to delete the unused 
sparse bundle on your Time Capsule.

2) If that works and you get Time Machine functioning, do a Time Machine backup 
just to kick things off, even though none of your valuable data will be 
included in the backup at this point

3) Use data migration assistant to bring back your data.

4) Do another Time Machine backup -- this time with you data.

Let us know what you choose to do and how it goes.

Regards,
Carlo





 Re: Time Machine backup
 Peter Crisp
 Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:23:39 -0700
 
 Ok, just about reached end of the line for options. 
 
 What I did was load the OSX disc for System update only to 10.5.4 and then 
 test 
 to see if Time Machine could mount the volume- no go.
 
 Then my objective was to do a clean instal from the 10.5.4 OSX disc, but as 
 it 
 was already the same OSX version, I was not presented with the option to do a 
 clean instal. So I did Software Update to up version to 10.5.8 which it did 
 but 
 took 5 hours through the night.
 
 I tried the Time Machine process again- no good.
 
 So, go the full Monty. Clean instal back to 10.5.4. Still no Time Machine 
 image 
 mount. Some observations though which might jog someone's memory. In the 
 Change 
 Disc dialogue box of TM I have 3 items. 
 
 Item 1 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a green picture with an analogue 
 clock face.
 
 Item 2 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a blue picture of 3 people holding 
 hands.
 
 Item 3 says None but has a red circle with a red diagonal line through it.
 
 But item 3 has been there for ages, well before introducing Tim's MacBook to 
 the TC.
 
 Item 2 is the one I pick normally on Jo's MacBook and it works fine. 
 
 Another observation, when looking at Time Machine window on Tim's MacBook it 
 states name as Name: Time Capsule and Available 525.4GB of 929.5GB. On SWMBOs 
 MacBook, same window says Name: Time Capsule (Joannes-Time-Capsule) and 
 Available: 564.11GB of 998.06GB.
 
 It seems like there are 2 volumes or images, I really don't know what to do 
 next.
 
 I haven't migrated Tim's data back in yet, to save me wasting time and to 
 protect it until its all settled.
 
 I had read somewhere that Time Capsule uses the MAC address to recognise a 
 machine, in doing a clean instal the MAC address doesn't change (i think) and 
 so it is still attempting to do the same as I was trying 3 days ago. As same 
 MAC address means same machine to the TC. Can I change the MAC address? Is 
 there a plist file somewhere I can blow away to kick start it from scratch?
 
 WCE performance was icing on the cake last night but the rowers did a great 
 job!
 
 Any tips?
 
 Regards
 
 Pete
 
 
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Re: Time Machine backup

[cm]

Just for reference sake, here is the process you can try to delete the sparse 
bundle. Note if you can't do this from your 9yo's computer you can try it from 
one of the other computers.

1) In Finder mount the Time Capsule by clicking on it in the Finder sidebar. 
Navigate to the Data directory but no need to do anything further in Finder.

2) In Terminal now do the following
$ cd /Volumes/Data

3) At this point type
$ ls -l

and you should see User's.sparsebundle or whatever it is called

4) Still in terminal type
$ sudo rm -rf sparse bundle name
Where sparse bundle name is the name from step 3)

Good luck!

Carlo


On 05/08/2012, at 11:56 , cm cm200...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Pete,
 
 My hosting service seems to be temporarily offline so pardon the posting from 
 a older email address.
 
 Things seem to have got away from you a little. You had successfully applied 
 the update to 10.5.4. At that point you had a working computer with all your 
 data! I personally would not have wiped the data as there is little benefit 
 to a clean install if you intend to use data migration assistant to bring all 
 the cruft back.
 
 To take stock, you now have a working computer albeit with no data an a non 
 functioning Time Machine. So to try to get back on track, perhaps you could 
 proceed as follows:
 
 1) Attempt the earlier process where you use Terminal.app to delete the 
 unused sparse bundle on your Time Capsule.
 
 2) If that works and you get Time Machine functioning, do a Time Machine 
 backup just to kick things off, even though none of your valuable data will 
 be included in the backup at this point
 
 3) Use data migration assistant to bring back your data.
 
 4) Do another Time Machine backup -- this time with you data.
 
 Let us know what you choose to do and how it goes.
 
 Regards,
 Carlo
 
 
 
 
 
 Re: Time Machine backup
 Peter Crisp
 Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:23:39 -0700
 
 Ok, just about reached end of the line for options. 
 
 What I did was load the OSX disc for System update only to 10.5.4 and then 
 test 
 to see if Time Machine could mount the volume- no go.
 
 Then my objective was to do a clean instal from the 10.5.4 OSX disc, but as 
 it 
 was already the same OSX version, I was not presented with the option to do 
 a 
 clean instal. So I did Software Update to up version to 10.5.8 which it did 
 but 
 took 5 hours through the night.
 
 I tried the Time Machine process again- no good.
 
 So, go the full Monty. Clean instal back to 10.5.4. Still no Time Machine 
 image 
 mount. Some observations though which might jog someone's memory. In the 
 Change 
 Disc dialogue box of TM I have 3 items. 
 
 Item 1 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a green picture with an analogue 
 clock face.
 
 Item 2 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a blue picture of 3 people 
 holding 
 hands.
 
 Item 3 says None but has a red circle with a red diagonal line through it.
 
 But item 3 has been there for ages, well before introducing Tim's MacBook to 
 the TC.
 
 Item 2 is the one I pick normally on Jo's MacBook and it works fine. 
 
 Another observation, when looking at Time Machine window on Tim's MacBook it 
 states name as Name: Time Capsule and Available 525.4GB of 929.5GB. On 
 SWMBOs 
 MacBook, same window says Name: Time Capsule (Joannes-Time-Capsule) and 
 Available: 564.11GB of 998.06GB.
 
 It seems like there are 2 volumes or images, I really don't know what to do 
 next.
 
 I haven't migrated Tim's data back in yet, to save me wasting time and to 
 protect it until its all settled.
 
 I had read somewhere that Time Capsule uses the MAC address to recognise a 
 machine, in doing a clean instal the MAC address doesn't change (i think) 
 and 
 so it is still attempting to do the same as I was trying 3 days ago. As same 
 MAC address means same machine to the TC. Can I change the MAC address? Is 
 there a plist file somewhere I can blow away to kick start it from scratch?
 
 WCE performance was icing on the cake last night but the rowers did a great 
 job!
 
 Any tips?
 
 Regards
 
 Pete
 
 

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Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Hi Carlo, thanks for persevering with me. I did the Disk verify and permissions 
repair - there was one identified issue to do with a group code being wrong - 
not sure if that relates to my problem or not. In any case it is now repaired. 
At this point I have tried with Terminal to delete the User's.sparesbundle from 
all 3 MB's independently and each of them replies after step 2 below with 
-bash: :$ command not found. So I can't delete with terminal at the moment. 
However, the order of steps is slightly altered when compared with your earlier 
instructions in that I did the OSX install prior to the disk verify/repair 
steps. Does this matter?

Still unable to delete the sparesebundle and also unable to mount the time 
machine disc image.

I think you indicated earlier there is an instal process to fix the bash 
issue I am having.

Regards

Pete...






On 05/08/2012, at 12:05 PM, cm wrote:

 Just for reference sake, here is the process you can try to delete the sparse 
 bundle. Note if you can't do this from your 9yo's computer you can try it 
 from one of the other computers.
 
 1) In Finder mount the Time Capsule by clicking on it in the Finder sidebar. 
 Navigate to the Data directory but no need to do anything further in Finder.
 
 2) In Terminal now do the following
 $ cd /Volumes/Data
 
 3) At this point type
 $ ls -l
 
 and you should see User's.sparsebundle or whatever it is called
 
 4) Still in terminal type
 $ sudo rm -rf sparse bundle name
 Where sparse bundle name is the name from step 3)
 
 Good luck!
 
 Carlo
 
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 11:56 , cm cm200...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Pete,
 
 My hosting service seems to be temporarily offline so pardon the posting 
 from a older email address.
 
 Things seem to have got away from you a little. You had successfully applied 
 the update to 10.5.4. At that point you had a working computer with all your 
 data! I personally would not have wiped the data as there is little benefit 
 to a clean install if you intend to use data migration assistant to bring 
 all the cruft back.
 
 To take stock, you now have a working computer albeit with no data an a non 
 functioning Time Machine. So to try to get back on track, perhaps you could 
 proceed as follows:
 
 1) Attempt the earlier process where you use Terminal.app to delete the 
 unused sparse bundle on your Time Capsule.
 
 2) If that works and you get Time Machine functioning, do a Time Machine 
 backup just to kick things off, even though none of your valuable data will 
 be included in the backup at this point
 
 3) Use data migration assistant to bring back your data.
 
 4) Do another Time Machine backup -- this time with you data.
 
 Let us know what you choose to do and how it goes.
 
 Regards,
 Carlo
 
 
 
 
 
 Re: Time Machine backup
 Peter Crisp
 Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:23:39 -0700
 
 Ok, just about reached end of the line for options. 
 
 What I did was load the OSX disc for System update only to 10.5.4 and then 
 test 
 to see if Time Machine could mount the volume- no go.
 
 Then my objective was to do a clean instal from the 10.5.4 OSX disc, but as 
 it 
 was already the same OSX version, I was not presented with the option to do 
 a 
 clean instal. So I did Software Update to up version to 10.5.8 which it did 
 but 
 took 5 hours through the night.
 
 I tried the Time Machine process again- no good.
 
 So, go the full Monty. Clean instal back to 10.5.4. Still no Time Machine 
 image 
 mount. Some observations though which might jog someone's memory. In the 
 Change 
 Disc dialogue box of TM I have 3 items. 
 
 Item 1 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a green picture with an analogue 
 clock face.
 
 Item 2 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a blue picture of 3 people 
 holding 
 hands.
 
 Item 3 says None but has a red circle with a red diagonal line through it.
 
 But item 3 has been there for ages, well before introducing Tim's MacBook 
 to 
 the TC.
 
 Item 2 is the one I pick normally on Jo's MacBook and it works fine. 
 
 Another observation, when looking at Time Machine window on Tim's MacBook 
 it 
 states name as Name: Time Capsule and Available 525.4GB of 929.5GB. On 
 SWMBOs 
 MacBook, same window says Name: Time Capsule (Joannes-Time-Capsule) and 
 Available: 564.11GB of 998.06GB.
 
 It seems like there are 2 volumes or images, I really don't know what to do 
 next.
 
 I haven't migrated Tim's data back in yet, to save me wasting time and to 
 protect it until its all settled.
 
 I had read somewhere that Time Capsule uses the MAC address to recognise a 
 machine, in doing a clean instal the MAC address doesn't change (i think) 
 and 
 so it is still attempting to do the same as I was trying 3 days ago. As 
 same 
 MAC address means same machine to the TC. Can I change the MAC address? Is 
 there a plist file somewhere I can blow away to kick start it from scratch?
 
 WCE performance was icing on the cake last night but the rowers did a great 
 job!
 
 Any tips?
 
 Regards

Re: Time Machine backup

[cm]

Hi Pete,

Not I get it! (Insert slap on forehead here.) Sorry for not noticing earlier.

It's a convention when writing Terminal commands to show a $ sign at the start. 
That is meant to represent the last character of the prompt that Terminal will 
write to show it is ready for a command. When one is logged in with a root 
account the convention is to show a # character instead.

So try please try again but this time do not type the $ at the start of the 
command. For instance where I say $ cd /Volumes/Data, type only cd 
/Volumes/Data

Let me know how that goes.

Regards,
Carlo

On 05/08/2012, at 12:36 , Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:

 Hi Carlo, thanks for persevering with me. I did the Disk verify and 
 permissions repair - there was one identified issue to do with a group code 
 being wrong - not sure if that relates to my problem or not. In any case it 
 is now repaired. At this point I have tried with Terminal to delete the 
 User's.sparesbundle from all 3 MB's independently and each of them replies 
 after step 2 below with -bash: :$ command not found. So I can't delete with 
 terminal at the moment. However, the order of steps is slightly altered when 
 compared with your earlier instructions in that I did the OSX install prior 
 to the disk verify/repair steps. Does this matter?
 
 Still unable to delete the sparesebundle and also unable to mount the time 
 machine disc image.
 
 I think you indicated earlier there is an instal process to fix the bash 
 issue I am having.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 12:05 PM, cm wrote:
 
 Just for reference sake, here is the process you can try to delete the 
 sparse bundle. Note if you can't do this from your 9yo's computer you can 
 try it from one of the other computers.
 
 1) In Finder mount the Time Capsule by clicking on it in the Finder sidebar. 
 Navigate to the Data directory but no need to do anything further in Finder.
 
 2) In Terminal now do the following
 $ cd /Volumes/Data
 
 3) At this point type
 $ ls -l
 
 and you should see User's.sparsebundle or whatever it is called
 
 4) Still in terminal type
 $ sudo rm -rf sparse bundle name
 Where sparse bundle name is the name from step 3)
 
 Good luck!
 
 Carlo
 
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 11:56 , cm cm200...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Pete,
 
 My hosting service seems to be temporarily offline so pardon the posting 
 from a older email address.
 
 Things seem to have got away from you a little. You had successfully 
 applied the update to 10.5.4. At that point you had a working computer with 
 all your data! I personally would not have wiped the data as there is 
 little benefit to a clean install if you intend to use data migration 
 assistant to bring all the cruft back.
 
 To take stock, you now have a working computer albeit with no data an a non 
 functioning Time Machine. So to try to get back on track, perhaps you could 
 proceed as follows:
 
 1) Attempt the earlier process where you use Terminal.app to delete the 
 unused sparse bundle on your Time Capsule.
 
 2) If that works and you get Time Machine functioning, do a Time Machine 
 backup just to kick things off, even though none of your valuable data will 
 be included in the backup at this point
 
 3) Use data migration assistant to bring back your data.
 
 4) Do another Time Machine backup -- this time with you data.
 
 Let us know what you choose to do and how it goes.
 
 Regards,
 Carlo
 
 
 
 
 
 Re: Time Machine backup
 Peter Crisp
 Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:23:39 -0700
 
 Ok, just about reached end of the line for options. 
 
 What I did was load the OSX disc for System update only to 10.5.4 and then 
 test 
 to see if Time Machine could mount the volume- no go.
 
 Then my objective was to do a clean instal from the 10.5.4 OSX disc, but 
 as it 
 was already the same OSX version, I was not presented with the option to 
 do a 
 clean instal. So I did Software Update to up version to 10.5.8 which it 
 did but 
 took 5 hours through the night.
 
 I tried the Time Machine process again- no good.
 
 So, go the full Monty. Clean instal back to 10.5.4. Still no Time Machine 
 image 
 mount. Some observations though which might jog someone's memory. In the 
 Change 
 Disc dialogue box of TM I have 3 items. 
 
 Item 1 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a green picture with an 
 analogue 
 clock face.
 
 Item 2 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a blue picture of 3 people 
 holding 
 hands.
 
 Item 3 says None but has a red circle with a red diagonal line through it.
 
 But item 3 has been there for ages, well before introducing Tim's MacBook 
 to 
 the TC.
 
 Item 2 is the one I pick normally on Jo's MacBook and it works fine. 
 
 Another observation, when looking at Time Machine window on Tim's MacBook 
 it 
 states name as Name: Time Capsule and Available 525.4GB of 929.5GB. On 
 SWMBOs 
 MacBook, same window says Name: Time Capsule (Joannes-Time-Capsule) and 
 Available: 564.11GB of 998.06GB.
 
 It seems like

Re: Time Machine backup

[cm]

An addendum on thinking about the matter further and to head of an almost 
certain post. When you attempt to remove the sparse bundle, the single quote 
character will need to be preceded by a \ -- this is know as escaping a special 
character.

So if the bundle is called User's.sparsebundle, you must type

rm -rf User\'s.sparsebundle

You can, to make this process easier, hit the Tab key after you have type this 
far rm -rf User

The spelling has to be perfect so please note the spelling of sparsebundle

Regards,
Carlo

On 05/08/2012, at 12:44 , cm cm200...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Pete,
 
 Not I get it! (Insert slap on forehead here.) Sorry for not noticing earlier.
 
 It's a convention when writing Terminal commands to show a $ sign at the 
 start. That is meant to represent the last character of the prompt that 
 Terminal will write to show it is ready for a command. When one is logged in 
 with a root account the convention is to show a # character instead.
 
 So try please try again but this time do not type the $ at the start of the 
 command. For instance where I say $ cd /Volumes/Data, type only cd 
 /Volumes/Data
 
 Let me know how that goes.
 
 Regards,
 Carlo
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 12:36 , Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Carlo, thanks for persevering with me. I did the Disk verify and 
 permissions repair - there was one identified issue to do with a group code 
 being wrong - not sure if that relates to my problem or not. In any case it 
 is now repaired. At this point I have tried with Terminal to delete the 
 User's.sparesbundle from all 3 MB's independently and each of them replies 
 after step 2 below with -bash: :$ command not found. So I can't delete 
 with terminal at the moment. However, the order of steps is slightly altered 
 when compared with your earlier instructions in that I did the OSX install 
 prior to the disk verify/repair steps. Does this matter?
 
 Still unable to delete the sparesebundle and also unable to mount the time 
 machine disc image.
 
 I think you indicated earlier there is an instal process to fix the bash 
 issue I am having.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 12:05 PM, cm wrote:
 
 Just for reference sake, here is the process you can try to delete the 
 sparse bundle. Note if you can't do this from your 9yo's computer you can 
 try it from one of the other computers.
 
 1) In Finder mount the Time Capsule by clicking on it in the Finder 
 sidebar. Navigate to the Data directory but no need to do anything further 
 in Finder.
 
 2) In Terminal now do the following
 $ cd /Volumes/Data
 
 3) At this point type
 $ ls -l
 
 and you should see User's.sparsebundle or whatever it is called
 
 4) Still in terminal type
 $ sudo rm -rf sparse bundle name
 Where sparse bundle name is the name from step 3)
 
 Good luck!
 
 Carlo
 
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 11:56 , cm cm200...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Pete,
 
 My hosting service seems to be temporarily offline so pardon the posting 
 from a older email address.
 
 Things seem to have got away from you a little. You had successfully 
 applied the update to 10.5.4. At that point you had a working computer 
 with all your data! I personally would not have wiped the data as there is 
 little benefit to a clean install if you intend to use data migration 
 assistant to bring all the cruft back.
 
 To take stock, you now have a working computer albeit with no data an a 
 non functioning Time Machine. So to try to get back on track, perhaps you 
 could proceed as follows:
 
 1) Attempt the earlier process where you use Terminal.app to delete the 
 unused sparse bundle on your Time Capsule.
 
 2) If that works and you get Time Machine functioning, do a Time Machine 
 backup just to kick things off, even though none of your valuable data 
 will be included in the backup at this point
 
 3) Use data migration assistant to bring back your data.
 
 4) Do another Time Machine backup -- this time with you data.
 
 Let us know what you choose to do and how it goes.
 
 Regards,
 Carlo
 
 
 
 
 
 Re: Time Machine backup
 Peter Crisp
 Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:23:39 -0700
 
 Ok, just about reached end of the line for options. 
 
 What I did was load the OSX disc for System update only to 10.5.4 and 
 then test 
 to see if Time Machine could mount the volume- no go.
 
 Then my objective was to do a clean instal from the 10.5.4 OSX disc, but 
 as it 
 was already the same OSX version, I was not presented with the option to 
 do a 
 clean instal. So I did Software Update to up version to 10.5.8 which it 
 did but 
 took 5 hours through the night.
 
 I tried the Time Machine process again- no good.
 
 So, go the full Monty. Clean instal back to 10.5.4. Still no Time Machine 
 image 
 mount. Some observations though which might jog someone's memory. In the 
 Change 
 Disc dialogue box of TM I have 3 items. 
 
 Item 1 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a green picture with an 
 analogue 
 clock face.
 
 Item 2 is an icon

Re: Time Machine backup

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Pete,

Sounds like a bit of a mess up. 
Yes, Time Capsule does use the MAC Address of the computer not the computer 
name.

To delete the User's User.sparsebundle.
1. Turn Off Time Machine in System 
2. In Finder under Shared select Time Capsule disk
3. Then click  Data. 

4.Launch Terminal, then type these commands:

cd /Volumes/Data
ls

That's a lower-case letter L at the beginning of that last command. 
You should see all your sparsebundle volumes.

Then type this command (including a trailing space) but do NOT yet press 
return:

sudo rm -rf 

5. Now open the Data volume. Drag the sparsebundle file you want to delete 
from the Data volume's Finder window to the Terminal window. 

This should cause the path and name of the volume you want to delete to be 
copied into the Terminal window. 
6. Now select the Terminal window. 
Double-check that the correct sparsebundle file is in the command, then press 
return. 

You'll be prompted for your administrative password.

As a general rule, if you are manipulating file/folder names with special 
characters, the whole file/folder name should be double quoted.

Dragging the file from a Finder window to the Terminal adds double quotes as 
needed.


Cheers,
Ronni

On 05/08/2012, at 12:36 PM, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:

 Hi Carlo, thanks for persevering with me. I did the Disk verify and 
 permissions repair - there was one identified issue to do with a group code 
 being wrong - not sure if that relates to my problem or not. In any case it 
 is now repaired. At this point I have tried with Terminal to delete the 
 User's.sparesbundle from all 3 MB's independently and each of them replies 
 after step 2 below with -bash: :$ command not found. So I can't delete with 
 terminal at the moment. However, the order of steps is slightly altered when 
 compared with your earlier instructions in that I did the OSX install prior 
 to the disk verify/repair steps. Does this matter?
 
 Still unable to delete the sparesebundle and also unable to mount the time 
 machine disc image.
 
 I think you indicated earlier there is an instal process to fix the bash 
 issue I am having.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 12:05 PM, cm wrote:
 
 Just for reference sake, here is the process you can try to delete the 
 sparse bundle. Note if you can't do this from your 9yo's computer you can 
 try it from one of the other computers.
 
 1) In Finder mount the Time Capsule by clicking on it in the Finder sidebar. 
 Navigate to the Data directory but no need to do anything further in Finder.
 
 2) In Terminal now do the following
 $ cd /Volumes/Data
 
 3) At this point type
 $ ls -l
 
 and you should see User's.sparsebundle or whatever it is called
 
 4) Still in terminal type
 $ sudo rm -rf sparse bundle name
 Where sparse bundle name is the name from step 3)
 
 Good luck!
 
 Carlo
 
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 11:56 , cm cm200...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Pete,
 
 My hosting service seems to be temporarily offline so pardon the posting 
 from a older email address.
 
 Things seem to have got away from you a little. You had successfully 
 applied the update to 10.5.4. At that point you had a working computer with 
 all your data! I personally would not have wiped the data as there is 
 little benefit to a clean install if you intend to use data migration 
 assistant to bring all the cruft back.
 
 To take stock, you now have a working computer albeit with no data an a non 
 functioning Time Machine. So to try to get back on track, perhaps you could 
 proceed as follows:
 
 1) Attempt the earlier process where you use Terminal.app to delete the 
 unused sparse bundle on your Time Capsule.
 
 2) If that works and you get Time Machine functioning, do a Time Machine 
 backup just to kick things off, even though none of your valuable data will 
 be included in the backup at this point
 
 3) Use data migration assistant to bring back your data.
 
 4) Do another Time Machine backup -- this time with you data.
 
 Let us know what you choose to do and how it goes.
 
 Regards,
 Carlo
 
 
 
 
 
 Re: Time Machine backup
 Peter Crisp
 Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:23:39 -0700
 
 Ok, just about reached end of the line for options. 
 
 What I did was load the OSX disc for System update only to 10.5.4 and then 
 test 
 to see if Time Machine could mount the volume- no go.
 
 Then my objective was to do a clean instal from the 10.5.4 OSX disc, but 
 as it 
 was already the same OSX version, I was not presented with the option to 
 do a 
 clean instal. So I did Software Update to up version to 10.5.8 which it 
 did but 
 took 5 hours through the night.
 
 I tried the Time Machine process again- no good.
 
 So, go the full Monty. Clean instal back to 10.5.4. Still no Time Machine 
 image 
 mount. Some observations though which might jog someone's memory. In the 
 Change 
 Disc dialogue box of TM I have 3 items. 
 
 Item 1 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a green picture with an 
 analogue

Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Ok, tried that - response to step 2) below yields no such file or directory. 

Shall I do a full reinstall again, I have nothing to loose and I have the clone 
carefully placed aside still?

Pete.


On 05/08/2012, at 12:44 PM, cm wrote:

 Hi Pete,
 
 Not I get it! (Insert slap on forehead here.) Sorry for not noticing earlier.
 
 It's a convention when writing Terminal commands to show a $ sign at the 
 start. That is meant to represent the last character of the prompt that 
 Terminal will write to show it is ready for a command. When one is logged in 
 with a root account the convention is to show a # character instead.
 
 So try please try again but this time do not type the $ at the start of the 
 command. For instance where I say $ cd /Volumes/Data, type only cd 
 /Volumes/Data
 
 Let me know how that goes.
 
 Regards,
 Carlo
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 12:36 , Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Carlo, thanks for persevering with me. I did the Disk verify and 
 permissions repair - there was one identified issue to do with a group code 
 being wrong - not sure if that relates to my problem or not. In any case it 
 is now repaired. At this point I have tried with Terminal to delete the 
 User's.sparesbundle from all 3 MB's independently and each of them replies 
 after step 2 below with -bash: :$ command not found. So I can't delete 
 with terminal at the moment. However, the order of steps is slightly altered 
 when compared with your earlier instructions in that I did the OSX install 
 prior to the disk verify/repair steps. Does this matter?
 
 Still unable to delete the sparesebundle and also unable to mount the time 
 machine disc image.
 
 I think you indicated earlier there is an instal process to fix the bash 
 issue I am having.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 12:05 PM, cm wrote:
 
 Just for reference sake, here is the process you can try to delete the 
 sparse bundle. Note if you can't do this from your 9yo's computer you can 
 try it from one of the other computers.
 
 1) In Finder mount the Time Capsule by clicking on it in the Finder 
 sidebar. Navigate to the Data directory but no need to do anything further 
 in Finder.
 
 2) In Terminal now do the following
 $ cd /Volumes/Data
 
 3) At this point type
 $ ls -l
 
 and you should see User's.sparsebundle or whatever it is called
 
 4) Still in terminal type
 $ sudo rm -rf sparse bundle name
 Where sparse bundle name is the name from step 3)
 
 Good luck!
 
 Carlo
 
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 11:56 , cm cm200...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Pete,
 
 My hosting service seems to be temporarily offline so pardon the posting 
 from a older email address.
 
 Things seem to have got away from you a little. You had successfully 
 applied the update to 10.5.4. At that point you had a working computer 
 with all your data! I personally would not have wiped the data as there is 
 little benefit to a clean install if you intend to use data migration 
 assistant to bring all the cruft back.
 
 To take stock, you now have a working computer albeit with no data an a 
 non functioning Time Machine. So to try to get back on track, perhaps you 
 could proceed as follows:
 
 1) Attempt the earlier process where you use Terminal.app to delete the 
 unused sparse bundle on your Time Capsule.
 
 2) If that works and you get Time Machine functioning, do a Time Machine 
 backup just to kick things off, even though none of your valuable data 
 will be included in the backup at this point
 
 3) Use data migration assistant to bring back your data.
 
 4) Do another Time Machine backup -- this time with you data.
 
 Let us know what you choose to do and how it goes.
 
 Regards,
 Carlo
 
 
 
 
 
 Re: Time Machine backup
 Peter Crisp
 Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:23:39 -0700
 
 Ok, just about reached end of the line for options. 
 
 What I did was load the OSX disc for System update only to 10.5.4 and 
 then test 
 to see if Time Machine could mount the volume- no go.
 
 Then my objective was to do a clean instal from the 10.5.4 OSX disc, but 
 as it 
 was already the same OSX version, I was not presented with the option to 
 do a 
 clean instal. So I did Software Update to up version to 10.5.8 which it 
 did but 
 took 5 hours through the night.
 
 I tried the Time Machine process again- no good.
 
 So, go the full Monty. Clean instal back to 10.5.4. Still no Time Machine 
 image 
 mount. Some observations though which might jog someone's memory. In the 
 Change 
 Disc dialogue box of TM I have 3 items. 
 
 Item 1 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a green picture with an 
 analogue 
 clock face.
 
 Item 2 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a blue picture of 3 people 
 holding 
 hands.
 
 Item 3 says None but has a red circle with a red diagonal line through it.
 
 But item 3 has been there for ages, well before introducing Tim's MacBook 
 to 
 the TC.
 
 Item 2 is the one I pick normally on Jo's MacBook and it works fine. 
 
 Another observation, when

Re: Time Machine backup

[cm]

Hi Peter,

Did you make sure the Data directory was mounted by navigating to it first in 
Finder?

C

On 05/08/2012, at 12:59 , Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:

 Ok, tried that - response to step 2) below yields no such file or 
 directory. 
 
 Shall I do a full reinstall again, I have nothing to loose and I have the 
 clone carefully placed aside still?
 
 Pete.
 
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 12:44 PM, cm wrote:
 
 Hi Pete,
 
 Not I get it! (Insert slap on forehead here.) Sorry for not noticing earlier.
 
 It's a convention when writing Terminal commands to show a $ sign at the 
 start. That is meant to represent the last character of the prompt that 
 Terminal will write to show it is ready for a command. When one is logged in 
 with a root account the convention is to show a # character instead.
 
 So try please try again but this time do not type the $ at the start of the 
 command. For instance where I say $ cd /Volumes/Data, type only cd 
 /Volumes/Data
 
 Let me know how that goes.
 
 Regards,
 Carlo
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 12:36 , Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Carlo, thanks for persevering with me. I did the Disk verify and 
 permissions repair - there was one identified issue to do with a group code 
 being wrong - not sure if that relates to my problem or not. In any case it 
 is now repaired. At this point I have tried with Terminal to delete the 
 User's.sparesbundle from all 3 MB's independently and each of them replies 
 after step 2 below with -bash: :$ command not found. So I can't delete 
 with terminal at the moment. However, the order of steps is slightly 
 altered when compared with your earlier instructions in that I did the OSX 
 install prior to the disk verify/repair steps. Does this matter?
 
 Still unable to delete the sparesebundle and also unable to mount the time 
 machine disc image.
 
 I think you indicated earlier there is an instal process to fix the bash 
 issue I am having.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 12:05 PM, cm wrote:
 
 Just for reference sake, here is the process you can try to delete the 
 sparse bundle. Note if you can't do this from your 9yo's computer you can 
 try it from one of the other computers.
 
 1) In Finder mount the Time Capsule by clicking on it in the Finder 
 sidebar. Navigate to the Data directory but no need to do anything further 
 in Finder.
 
 2) In Terminal now do the following
 $ cd /Volumes/Data
 
 3) At this point type
 $ ls -l
 
 and you should see User's.sparsebundle or whatever it is called
 
 4) Still in terminal type
 $ sudo rm -rf sparse bundle name
 Where sparse bundle name is the name from step 3)
 
 Good luck!
 
 Carlo
 
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 11:56 , cm cm200...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Pete,
 
 My hosting service seems to be temporarily offline so pardon the posting 
 from a older email address.
 
 Things seem to have got away from you a little. You had successfully 
 applied the update to 10.5.4. At that point you had a working computer 
 with all your data! I personally would not have wiped the data as there 
 is little benefit to a clean install if you intend to use data migration 
 assistant to bring all the cruft back.
 
 To take stock, you now have a working computer albeit with no data an a 
 non functioning Time Machine. So to try to get back on track, perhaps you 
 could proceed as follows:
 
 1) Attempt the earlier process where you use Terminal.app to delete the 
 unused sparse bundle on your Time Capsule.
 
 2) If that works and you get Time Machine functioning, do a Time Machine 
 backup just to kick things off, even though none of your valuable data 
 will be included in the backup at this point
 
 3) Use data migration assistant to bring back your data.
 
 4) Do another Time Machine backup -- this time with you data.
 
 Let us know what you choose to do and how it goes.
 
 Regards,
 Carlo
 
 
 
 
 
 Re: Time Machine backup
 Peter Crisp
 Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:23:39 -0700
 
 Ok, just about reached end of the line for options. 
 
 What I did was load the OSX disc for System update only to 10.5.4 and 
 then test 
 to see if Time Machine could mount the volume- no go.
 
 Then my objective was to do a clean instal from the 10.5.4 OSX disc, but 
 as it 
 was already the same OSX version, I was not presented with the option to 
 do a 
 clean instal. So I did Software Update to up version to 10.5.8 which it 
 did but 
 took 5 hours through the night.
 
 I tried the Time Machine process again- no good.
 
 So, go the full Monty. Clean instal back to 10.5.4. Still no Time 
 Machine image 
 mount. Some observations though which might jog someone's memory. In the 
 Change 
 Disc dialogue box of TM I have 3 items. 
 
 Item 1 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a green picture with an 
 analogue 
 clock face.
 
 Item 2 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a blue picture of 3 people 
 holding 
 hands.
 
 Item 3 says None but has a red circle with a red diagonal line through 
 it.
 
 But item

Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Ok, Still not getting there with terminal. step 3 - the word Data is not 
something I see in Finder. After selecting Joannes Time Capsule Finder 
presents Time Capsule and Maxtor being the USB connect 1TB drive at the 
Time Capsule. I don't see Data. If I select Time Capsule, I see the three 
sparesebundle files for each of the 3 Macbooks.

Notwithstanding that I went to Terminal and typed commands per below and I get 
No such file or directory.


Hmmm

Pete.






On 05/08/2012, at 12:55 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

 Hi Pete,
 
 Sounds like a bit of a mess up. 
 Yes, Time Capsule does use the MAC Address of the computer not the computer 
 name.
 
 To delete the User's User.sparsebundle.
 1. Turn Off Time Machine in System 
 2. In Finder under Shared select Time Capsule disk
 3. Then click  Data. 
 
 4.Launch Terminal, then type these commands:
 
 cd /Volumes/Data
 ls
 
 That's a lower-case letter L at the beginning of that last command. 
 You should see all your sparsebundle volumes.
 
 Then type this command (including a trailing space) but do NOT yet press 
 return:
 
 sudo rm -rf 
 
 5. Now open the Data volume. Drag the sparsebundle file you want to 
 delete from the Data volume's Finder window to the Terminal window. 
 
 This should cause the path and name of the volume you want to delete to be 
 copied into the Terminal window. 
 6. Now select the Terminal window. 
 Double-check that the correct sparsebundle file is in the command, then 
 press return. 
 
 You'll be prompted for your administrative password.
 
 As a general rule, if you are manipulating file/folder names with special 
 characters, the whole file/folder name should be double quoted.
 
 Dragging the file from a Finder window to the Terminal adds double quotes as 
 needed.
 
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 12:36 PM, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Carlo, thanks for persevering with me. I did the Disk verify and 
 permissions repair - there was one identified issue to do with a group code 
 being wrong - not sure if that relates to my problem or not. In any case it 
 is now repaired. At this point I have tried with Terminal to delete the 
 User's.sparesbundle from all 3 MB's independently and each of them replies 
 after step 2 below with -bash: :$ command not found. So I can't delete 
 with terminal at the moment. However, the order of steps is slightly altered 
 when compared with your earlier instructions in that I did the OSX install 
 prior to the disk verify/repair steps. Does this matter?
 
 Still unable to delete the sparesebundle and also unable to mount the time 
 machine disc image.
 
 I think you indicated earlier there is an instal process to fix the bash 
 issue I am having.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 12:05 PM, cm wrote:
 
 Just for reference sake, here is the process you can try to delete the 
 sparse bundle. Note if you can't do this from your 9yo's computer you can 
 try it from one of the other computers.
 
 1) In Finder mount the Time Capsule by clicking on it in the Finder 
 sidebar. Navigate to the Data directory but no need to do anything further 
 in Finder.
 
 2) In Terminal now do the following
 $ cd /Volumes/Data
 
 3) At this point type
 $ ls -l
 
 and you should see User's.sparsebundle or whatever it is called
 
 4) Still in terminal type
 $ sudo rm -rf sparse bundle name
 Where sparse bundle name is the name from step 3)
 
 Good luck!
 
 Carlo
 
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 11:56 , cm cm200...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Pete,
 
 My hosting service seems to be temporarily offline so pardon the posting 
 from a older email address.
 
 Things seem to have got away from you a little. You had successfully 
 applied the update to 10.5.4. At that point you had a working computer 
 with all your data! I personally would not have wiped the data as there is 
 little benefit to a clean install if you intend to use data migration 
 assistant to bring all the cruft back.
 
 To take stock, you now have a working computer albeit with no data an a 
 non functioning Time Machine. So to try to get back on track, perhaps you 
 could proceed as follows:
 
 1) Attempt the earlier process where you use Terminal.app to delete the 
 unused sparse bundle on your Time Capsule.
 
 2) If that works and you get Time Machine functioning, do a Time Machine 
 backup just to kick things off, even though none of your valuable data 
 will be included in the backup at this point
 
 3) Use data migration assistant to bring back your data.
 
 4) Do another Time Machine backup -- this time with you data.
 
 Let us know what you choose to do and how it goes.
 
 Regards,
 Carlo
 
 
 
 
 
 Re: Time Machine backup
 Peter Crisp
 Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:23:39 -0700
 
 Ok, just about reached end of the line for options. 
 
 What I did was load the OSX disc for System update only to 10.5.4 and 
 then test 
 to see if Time Machine could mount the volume- no go.
 
 Then my objective was to do a clean instal from the 10.5.4

Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Yes, I did that and browsed to the sparesebundle file without selecting it.

Pete.


On 05/08/2012, at 1:25 PM, cm wrote:

 Hi Peter,
 
 Did you make sure the Data directory was mounted by navigating to it first in 
 Finder?
 
 C
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 12:59 , Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Ok, tried that - response to step 2) below yields no such file or 
 directory. 
 
 Shall I do a full reinstall again, I have nothing to loose and I have the 
 clone carefully placed aside still?
 
 Pete.
 
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 12:44 PM, cm wrote:
 
 Hi Pete,
 
 Not I get it! (Insert slap on forehead here.) Sorry for not noticing 
 earlier.
 
 It's a convention when writing Terminal commands to show a $ sign at the 
 start. That is meant to represent the last character of the prompt that 
 Terminal will write to show it is ready for a command. When one is logged 
 in with a root account the convention is to show a # character instead.
 
 So try please try again but this time do not type the $ at the start of the 
 command. For instance where I say $ cd /Volumes/Data, type only cd 
 /Volumes/Data
 
 Let me know how that goes.
 
 Regards,
 Carlo
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 12:36 , Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Carlo, thanks for persevering with me. I did the Disk verify and 
 permissions repair - there was one identified issue to do with a group 
 code being wrong - not sure if that relates to my problem or not. In any 
 case it is now repaired. At this point I have tried with Terminal to 
 delete the User's.sparesbundle from all 3 MB's independently and each of 
 them replies after step 2 below with -bash: :$ command not found. So I 
 can't delete with terminal at the moment. However, the order of steps is 
 slightly altered when compared with your earlier instructions in that I 
 did the OSX install prior to the disk verify/repair steps. Does this 
 matter?
 
 Still unable to delete the sparesebundle and also unable to mount the time 
 machine disc image.
 
 I think you indicated earlier there is an instal process to fix the bash 
 issue I am having.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 12:05 PM, cm wrote:
 
 Just for reference sake, here is the process you can try to delete the 
 sparse bundle. Note if you can't do this from your 9yo's computer you can 
 try it from one of the other computers.
 
 1) In Finder mount the Time Capsule by clicking on it in the Finder 
 sidebar. Navigate to the Data directory but no need to do anything 
 further in Finder.
 
 2) In Terminal now do the following
 $ cd /Volumes/Data
 
 3) At this point type
 $ ls -l
 
 and you should see User's.sparsebundle or whatever it is called
 
 4) Still in terminal type
 $ sudo rm -rf sparse bundle name
 Where sparse bundle name is the name from step 3)
 
 Good luck!
 
 Carlo
 
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 11:56 , cm cm200...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Pete,
 
 My hosting service seems to be temporarily offline so pardon the posting 
 from a older email address.
 
 Things seem to have got away from you a little. You had successfully 
 applied the update to 10.5.4. At that point you had a working computer 
 with all your data! I personally would not have wiped the data as there 
 is little benefit to a clean install if you intend to use data migration 
 assistant to bring all the cruft back.
 
 To take stock, you now have a working computer albeit with no data an a 
 non functioning Time Machine. So to try to get back on track, perhaps 
 you could proceed as follows:
 
 1) Attempt the earlier process where you use Terminal.app to delete the 
 unused sparse bundle on your Time Capsule.
 
 2) If that works and you get Time Machine functioning, do a Time Machine 
 backup just to kick things off, even though none of your valuable data 
 will be included in the backup at this point
 
 3) Use data migration assistant to bring back your data.
 
 4) Do another Time Machine backup -- this time with you data.
 
 Let us know what you choose to do and how it goes.
 
 Regards,
 Carlo
 
 
 
 
 
 Re: Time Machine backup
 Peter Crisp
 Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:23:39 -0700
 
 Ok, just about reached end of the line for options. 
 
 What I did was load the OSX disc for System update only to 10.5.4 and 
 then test 
 to see if Time Machine could mount the volume- no go.
 
 Then my objective was to do a clean instal from the 10.5.4 OSX disc, 
 but as it 
 was already the same OSX version, I was not presented with the option 
 to do a 
 clean instal. So I did Software Update to up version to 10.5.8 which it 
 did but 
 took 5 hours through the night.
 
 I tried the Time Machine process again- no good.
 
 So, go the full Monty. Clean instal back to 10.5.4. Still no Time 
 Machine image 
 mount. Some observations though which might jog someone's memory. In 
 the Change 
 Disc dialogue box of TM I have 3 items. 
 
 Item 1 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a green picture with an 
 analogue 
 clock face.
 
 Item 2 is an icon of the Time Capsule

Re: Time Machine backup

[Ronda Brown]

Click on Time Capsule under Shared then click on Data (it will take a few 
moments for the sparsebundle to appear.
I'll send you a screenshot 'Offlist so you can see what I mean.

On 05/08/2012, at 1:39 PM, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:

 Ok, Still not getting there with terminal. step 3 - the word Data is not 
 something I see in Finder. After selecting Joannes Time Capsule Finder 
 presents Time Capsule and Maxtor being the USB connect 1TB drive at the 
 Time Capsule. I don't see Data. If I select Time Capsule, I see the three 
 sparesebundle files for each of the 3 Macbooks.
 
 Notwithstanding that I went to Terminal and typed commands per below and I 
 get No such file or directory.
 
 
 Hmmm
 
 Pete.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 12:55 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 Hi Pete,
 
 Sounds like a bit of a mess up. 
 Yes, Time Capsule does use the MAC Address of the computer not the computer 
 name.
 
 To delete the User's User.sparsebundle.
 1. Turn Off Time Machine in System 
 2. In Finder under Shared select Time Capsule disk
 3. Then click  Data. 
 
 4.Launch Terminal, then type these commands:
 
 cd /Volumes/Data
 ls
 
 That's a lower-case letter L at the beginning of that last command. 
 You should see all your sparsebundle volumes.
 
 Then type this command (including a trailing space) but do NOT yet press 
 return:
 
 sudo rm -rf 
 
 5. Now open the Data volume. Drag the sparsebundle file you want to 
 delete from the Data volume's Finder window to the Terminal window. 
 
 This should cause the path and name of the volume you want to delete to be 
 copied into the Terminal window. 
 6. Now select the Terminal window. 
 Double-check that the correct sparsebundle file is in the command, then 
 press return. 
 
 You'll be prompted for your administrative password.
 
 As a general rule, if you are manipulating file/folder names with special 
 characters, the whole file/folder name should be double quoted.
 
 Dragging the file from a Finder window to the Terminal adds double quotes as 
 needed.
 
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 12:36 PM, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Carlo, thanks for persevering with me. I did the Disk verify and 
 permissions repair - there was one identified issue to do with a group code 
 being wrong - not sure if that relates to my problem or not. In any case it 
 is now repaired. At this point I have tried with Terminal to delete the 
 User's.sparesbundle from all 3 MB's independently and each of them replies 
 after step 2 below with -bash: :$ command not found. So I can't delete 
 with terminal at the moment. However, the order of steps is slightly 
 altered when compared with your earlier instructions in that I did the OSX 
 install prior to the disk verify/repair steps. Does this matter?
 
 Still unable to delete the sparesebundle and also unable to mount the time 
 machine disc image.
 
 I think you indicated earlier there is an instal process to fix the bash 
 issue I am having.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 12:05 PM, cm wrote:
 
 Just for reference sake, here is the process you can try to delete the 
 sparse bundle. Note if you can't do this from your 9yo's computer you can 
 try it from one of the other computers.
 
 1) In Finder mount the Time Capsule by clicking on it in the Finder 
 sidebar. Navigate to the Data directory but no need to do anything further 
 in Finder.
 
 2) In Terminal now do the following
 $ cd /Volumes/Data
 
 3) At this point type
 $ ls -l
 
 and you should see User's.sparsebundle or whatever it is called
 
 4) Still in terminal type
 $ sudo rm -rf sparse bundle name
 Where sparse bundle name is the name from step 3)
 
 Good luck!
 
 Carlo
 
 
 On 05/08/2012, at 11:56 , cm cm200...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Pete,
 
 My hosting service seems to be temporarily offline so pardon the posting 
 from a older email address.
 
 Things seem to have got away from you a little. You had successfully 
 applied the update to 10.5.4. At that point you had a working computer 
 with all your data! I personally would not have wiped the data as there 
 is little benefit to a clean install if you intend to use data migration 
 assistant to bring all the cruft back.
 
 To take stock, you now have a working computer albeit with no data an a 
 non functioning Time Machine. So to try to get back on track, perhaps you 
 could proceed as follows:
 
 1) Attempt the earlier process where you use Terminal.app to delete the 
 unused sparse bundle on your Time Capsule.
 
 2) If that works and you get Time Machine functioning, do a Time Machine 
 backup just to kick things off, even though none of your valuable data 
 will be included in the backup at this point
 
 3) Use data migration assistant to bring back your data.
 
 4) Do another Time Machine backup -- this time with you data.
 
 Let us know what you choose to do and how it goes.
 
 Regards,
 Carlo
 
 
 
 
 
 Re: Time Machine backup
 Peter Crisp
 Sat, 04 Aug 2012

Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Ok, thanks for all that Ronni, I'll go through this all tonight I hope.

Just to expand a little more on accounts and machine name, I am actually unsure 
how User's User came about, yes embarrassing I know, I bet a few chuckles by 
others, me included. In any case I'll sort that out. On Tim's MacBook, there 
are two accounts, one for Tim, the other Administrator. 98% of the use of both 
boys MacBooks is to play a confounded game Minecraft. The other 2% is for 
iTunes so they can play the West Coast Eagles theme song and synch their apps 
from iPod Touch's they both have!

Anyway, Tim's account is set up with Parental Controls (he's 9), which works 
fine, but for some reason I never fully explored, Minecraft won't play (I 
forget the error message) under Tim's account, so I permit him to use the 
Administrator account - with me doing the login. We have Net Nanny (specific 
password controlled) on all Macbooks for content control set very HARD and that 
seems to give the requisite regulation. I suppose there is some exposure he 
could corrupt something with his Admin privileges but with Time Machine I can 
restore. 

So maybe I should explore why Tim's account prevents Minecraft running - if I 
have the energy that is.

Regards

Pete

On 03/08/2012, at 12:37 PM, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:

 Hi Pete,
 
 Currently it is User's User and that by the way is not my sons name! I 
 think the apostrophe not being ASCII will throw it
 
 Yes, having any punctuation mark in Computer Name can/will cause problems 
 with Time Machine 
 
 How on earth did your son's MacBook get the name User's User?
 What name does he have in System Preferences  Users  Groups ?
 
 For housekeeping, should I delete the User's User sparse bundle file?
 
 Yes, delete the User's User sparsebundle from Time Capsule. It possibly 
 does contain some data (therefore taking space)
 
 To delete the backups for one computer without disturbing anything else on 
 the Time Capsule's Internal Disk.
 1. Connect via Ethernet cable if possible as much faster than deleting via 
 Wi-Fi 
 2. Open Time Capsule under Shared in Finder Sidebar
 3. Click the Data folder
 4. You will now see a x.sparsebundle file for each of the computers that 
 have been backing up. 
The file contains the name of the computer and the MAC address so you 
 should be able to easily identify the x.sparsebundle file that you want 
 to delete.
 5. Click the x.sparsebundle file to highlight it and then click the 
 'Gear' shaped icon just above and select 'Move to Trash'.
 
 NOTE: Be very careful since you will not be able to retrieve the file if you 
 make a mistake and delete the wrong file.
 
 After it has deleted everything contained in the sparsebundle; setup Time 
 Machine in System Preferences  Select Disk  and let Time Machine backup the 
 MacBook
 
 Also, is a Time Machine backup a 'whole computer' backup or is it account 
 specific?
 
 Time Machine backups the complete system UNLESS you have chosen to exclude 
 any items from backups.
 You need a full backup of the system in case you ever need to do a full 
 Restore.
 
 Do you have more than one User Account on any of the MacBooks?
 If so post back and I'll explain more.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 03/08/2012, at 6:36 AM, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Thanks Ronni, I can see I have at least one issue to resolve- the computers 
 name. Currently it is User's User and that by the way is not my sons name! 
 I think the apostrophe not being ASCII will throw it. By contrast the other 
 two MacBooks are properly named after their user.
 
 So I will follow your instructions to correct that tonight when I'm home 
 again.
 
 The other issue I don't see an immediate solution for is my inability to 
 unmount the disc image, there is no Eject triangle next to Time Capsule 
 in the Finder side bar and nor does it appear on the Desktop. Maybe this 
 won't matter when the name is resolved as there was never a backup in place 
 from which to continue from it seems. I fully expect a first time backup is 
 needed.
 
 For housekeeping, should I delete the User's User sparse bundle file?
 
 Also, is a Time Machine backup a 'whole computer' backup or is it account 
 specific?
 
 Regards
 
 Pete
 
 On 02/08/2012, at 10:00 PM, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Just a quick reply before I shutdown from computer work for the day.
 
 First, it is important to distinguish this error message from another, 
 similar Time Machine error that states “The backup volume could not be 
 mounted”. This is important as the causes and cures for these two errors 
 can be very different.
 
 *Unmount the Backup Disk Image* (TC)
 If, for some reason, you have manually mounted the Time Machine backup disk 
 image (sparsebundle), or Time Machine failed to eject it after the previous 
 backup, subsequent backups may fail. (Console - “Failed to mount disk 
 image”… “Backup failed with error: 21”)
 
 Eject the backup disk image

Re: Time Machine backup

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Peter,

Minecraft is probably setup to Run as Administrator.  Also Net Nanny might be 
restricting it in Tim's Account.

Time Machine backups As an administrator, there’s no special magic you have to 
perform to back up all the User Accounts using Time Machine. By default, Time 
Machine backs up all accounts. 

When restoring data from a Time Machine backup, each user is limited by their 
account’s privileges. With a locked down parentally controlled account, for 
example, that account’s user won’t be able to access Time Machine (though you, 
as an administrator, can by modifying the account’s limits, do what needs to be 
done, and then restore those limits). 

And no user can access the contents of another user’s backed up files from 
within Time Machine.
(However, an administrator can browse a Time Machine backup folder within the 
Finder, navigate to another user’s folder, and change the privileges on that 
folder to gain access.)

Cheers,
Ronni

On 03/08/2012, at 5:18 PM, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:

 Ok, thanks for all that Ronni, I'll go through this all tonight I hope.
 
 Just to expand a little more on accounts and machine name, I am actually 
 unsure how User's User came about, yes embarrassing I know, I bet a few 
 chuckles by others, me included. In any case I'll sort that out. On Tim's 
 MacBook, there are two accounts, one for Tim, the other Administrator. 98% of 
 the use of both boys MacBooks is to play a confounded game Minecraft. The 
 other 2% is for iTunes so they can play the West Coast Eagles theme song and 
 synch their apps from iPod Touch's they both have!
 
 Anyway, Tim's account is set up with Parental Controls (he's 9), which works 
 fine, but for some reason I never fully explored, Minecraft won't play (I 
 forget the error message) under Tim's account, so I permit him to use the 
 Administrator account - with me doing the login. We have Net Nanny (specific 
 password controlled) on all Macbooks for content control set very HARD and 
 that seems to give the requisite regulation. I suppose there is some exposure 
 he could corrupt something with his Admin privileges but with Time Machine I 
 can restore. 
 
 So maybe I should explore why Tim's account prevents Minecraft running - if I 
 have the energy that is.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete
 
 On 03/08/2012, at 12:37 PM, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Pete,
 
 Currently it is User's User and that by the way is not my sons name! I 
 think the apostrophe not being ASCII will throw it
 
 Yes, having any punctuation mark in Computer Name can/will cause problems 
 with Time Machine 
 
 How on earth did your son's MacBook get the name User's User?
 What name does he have in System Preferences  Users  Groups ?
 
 For housekeeping, should I delete the User's User sparse bundle file?
 
 Yes, delete the User's User sparsebundle from Time Capsule. It possibly 
 does contain some data (therefore taking space)
 
 To delete the backups for one computer without disturbing anything else on 
 the Time Capsule's Internal Disk.
 1. Connect via Ethernet cable if possible as much faster than deleting via 
 Wi-Fi 
 2. Open Time Capsule under Shared in Finder Sidebar
 3. Click the Data folder
 4. You will now see a x.sparsebundle file for each of the computers that 
 have been backing up. 
  The file contains the name of the computer and the MAC address so you 
 should be able to easily identify the x.sparsebundle file that you want 
 to delete.
 5. Click the x.sparsebundle file to highlight it and then click the 
 'Gear' shaped icon just above and select 'Move to Trash'.
 
 NOTE: Be very careful since you will not be able to retrieve the file if you 
 make a mistake and delete the wrong file.
 
 After it has deleted everything contained in the sparsebundle; setup Time 
 Machine in System Preferences  Select Disk  and let Time Machine backup the 
 MacBook
 
 Also, is a Time Machine backup a 'whole computer' backup or is it account 
 specific?
 
 Time Machine backups the complete system UNLESS you have chosen to exclude 
 any items from backups.
 You need a full backup of the system in case you ever need to do a full 
 Restore.
 
 Do you have more than one User Account on any of the MacBooks?
 If so post back and I'll explain more.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 03/08/2012, at 6:36 AM, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Thanks Ronni, I can see I have at least one issue to resolve- the computers 
 name. Currently it is User's User and that by the way is not my sons 
 name! I think the apostrophe not being ASCII will throw it. By contrast the 
 other two MacBooks are properly named after their user.
 
 So I will follow your instructions to correct that tonight when I'm home 
 again.
 
 The other issue I don't see an immediate solution for is my inability to 
 unmount the disc image, there is no Eject triangle next to Time Capsule 
 in the Finder side bar and nor does it appear on the Desktop. Maybe this 
 won't matter

Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Ok, this is testing me a bit. I have renamed Tims Macbook so username is Tims 
Macbook. I also tried to delete the User User's Sparesebundle and it says 
can't do that as Bands is still in use. I managed to get into Bands and was 
successful in deleting the contents of Bands but unable to delete the root 
folder for the sparesebundle. That is probably not relevant as I am hoping to 
create a new sparesebundle for Tims Macbook and kick off a whole new backup.

I've unmounted the Timecapsule many times and reset the backup process to kick 
off but every time I re-run the process I get the message The backup disc 
image could not be mounted. I was expecting to see the Time capsule disc image 
on the desktop during the backup process (like the other Macbooks) but it 
doesn't do that.

It needs a big stick to fully reset the need to start backup with Time Machine. 
The User's User sparesbundle root folder still remains too.

What am I missing?

Regards

Pete.



On 03/08/2012, at 5:52 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

 Hi Peter,
 
 Minecraft is probably setup to Run as Administrator.  Also Net Nanny might be 
 restricting it in Tim's Account.
 
 Time Machine backups As an administrator, there’s no special magic you have 
 to perform to back up all the User Accounts using Time Machine. By default, 
 Time Machine backs up all accounts. 
 
 When restoring data from a Time Machine backup, each user is limited by their 
 account’s privileges. With a locked down parentally controlled account, for 
 example, that account’s user won’t be able to access Time Machine (though 
 you, as an administrator, can by modifying the account’s limits, do what 
 needs to be done, and then restore those limits). 
 
 And no user can access the contents of another user’s backed up files from 
 within Time Machine.
 (However, an administrator can browse a Time Machine backup folder within the 
 Finder, navigate to another user’s folder, and change the privileges on that 
 folder to gain access.)
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 03/08/2012, at 5:18 PM, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Ok, thanks for all that Ronni, I'll go through this all tonight I hope.
 
 Just to expand a little more on accounts and machine name, I am actually 
 unsure how User's User came about, yes embarrassing I know, I bet a few 
 chuckles by others, me included. In any case I'll sort that out. On Tim's 
 MacBook, there are two accounts, one for Tim, the other Administrator. 98% 
 of the use of both boys MacBooks is to play a confounded game Minecraft. The 
 other 2% is for iTunes so they can play the West Coast Eagles theme song and 
 synch their apps from iPod Touch's they both have!
 
 Anyway, Tim's account is set up with Parental Controls (he's 9), which works 
 fine, but for some reason I never fully explored, Minecraft won't play (I 
 forget the error message) under Tim's account, so I permit him to use the 
 Administrator account - with me doing the login. We have Net Nanny (specific 
 password controlled) on all Macbooks for content control set very HARD and 
 that seems to give the requisite regulation. I suppose there is some 
 exposure he could corrupt something with his Admin privileges but with Time 
 Machine I can restore. 
 
 So maybe I should explore why Tim's account prevents Minecraft running - if 
 I have the energy that is.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete
 
 On 03/08/2012, at 12:37 PM, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Pete,
 
 Currently it is User's User and that by the way is not my sons name! I 
 think the apostrophe not being ASCII will throw it
 
 Yes, having any punctuation mark in Computer Name can/will cause problems 
 with Time Machine 
 
 How on earth did your son's MacBook get the name User's User?
 What name does he have in System Preferences  Users  Groups ?
 
 For housekeeping, should I delete the User's User sparse bundle file?
 
 Yes, delete the User's User sparsebundle from Time Capsule. It possibly 
 does contain some data (therefore taking space)
 
 To delete the backups for one computer without disturbing anything else on 
 the Time Capsule's Internal Disk.
 1. Connect via Ethernet cable if possible as much faster than deleting via 
 Wi-Fi 
 2. Open Time Capsule under Shared in Finder Sidebar
 3. Click the Data folder
 4. You will now see a x.sparsebundle file for each of the computers 
 that have been backing up. 
 The file contains the name of the computer and the MAC address so you 
 should be able to easily identify the x.sparsebundle file that you want 
 to delete.
 5. Click the x.sparsebundle file to highlight it and then click the 
 'Gear' shaped icon just above and select 'Move to Trash'.
 
 NOTE: Be very careful since you will not be able to retrieve the file if 
 you make a mistake and delete the wrong file.
 
 After it has deleted everything contained in the sparsebundle; setup Time 
 Machine in System Preferences  Select Disk  and let Time Machine backup 
 the MacBook
 
 Also, is a Time Machine backup a 'whole

Re: Time Machine backup

[wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au]

Hi Peter,

Have you tried rebooting the Time Capsule itself. When none of your computers 
are backing up and it's quiet. Just unplug it, wait a few seconds and plug it 
back in. Alternatively you can reboot it from AirPort Utility but unplugging 
when it is idle works fine too.

Just for good measure. Reboot Tims Macbook at the same time.

Regards,
Carlo

---
Carlo Margio
Real World Computing

mob: 0404 296 965
i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
www.realworldcomputing.com.au

On 03/08/2012, at 22:08 , Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:

 Ok, this is testing me a bit. I have renamed Tims Macbook so username is 
 Tims Macbook. I also tried to delete the User User's Sparesebundle and it 
 says can't do that as Bands is still in use. I managed to get into Bands 
 and was successful in deleting the contents of Bands but unable to delete 
 the root folder for the sparesebundle. That is probably not relevant as I am 
 hoping to create a new sparesebundle for Tims Macbook and kick off a whole 
 new backup.
 
 I've unmounted the Timecapsule many times and reset the backup process to 
 kick off but every time I re-run the process I get the message The backup 
 disc image could not be mounted. I was expecting to see the Time capsule 
 disc image on the desktop during the backup process (like the other Macbooks) 
 but it doesn't do that.
 
 It needs a big stick to fully reset the need to start backup with Time 
 Machine. The User's User sparesbundle root folder still remains too.
 
 What am I missing?
 
 Regards
 
 Pete.
 
 
 
 On 03/08/2012, at 5:52 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Minecraft is probably setup to Run as Administrator.  Also Net Nanny might 
 be restricting it in Tim's Account.
 
 Time Machine backups As an administrator, there’s no special magic you have 
 to perform to back up all the User Accounts using Time Machine. By default, 
 Time Machine backs up all accounts. 
 
 When restoring data from a Time Machine backup, each user is limited by 
 their account’s privileges. With a locked down parentally controlled 
 account, for example, that account’s user won’t be able to access Time 
 Machine (though you, as an administrator, can by modifying the account’s 
 limits, do what needs to be done, and then restore those limits). 
 
 And no user can access the contents of another user’s backed up files from 
 within Time Machine.
 (However, an administrator can browse a Time Machine backup folder within 
 the Finder, navigate to another user’s folder, and change the privileges on 
 that folder to gain access.)
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 03/08/2012, at 5:18 PM, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Ok, thanks for all that Ronni, I'll go through this all tonight I hope.
 
 Just to expand a little more on accounts and machine name, I am actually 
 unsure how User's User came about, yes embarrassing I know, I bet a few 
 chuckles by others, me included. In any case I'll sort that out. On Tim's 
 MacBook, there are two accounts, one for Tim, the other Administrator. 98% 
 of the use of both boys MacBooks is to play a confounded game Minecraft. 
 The other 2% is for iTunes so they can play the West Coast Eagles theme 
 song and synch their apps from iPod Touch's they both have!
 
 Anyway, Tim's account is set up with Parental Controls (he's 9), which 
 works fine, but for some reason I never fully explored, Minecraft won't 
 play (I forget the error message) under Tim's account, so I permit him to 
 use the Administrator account - with me doing the login. We have Net Nanny 
 (specific password controlled) on all Macbooks for content control set very 
 HARD and that seems to give the requisite regulation. I suppose there is 
 some exposure he could corrupt something with his Admin privileges but with 
 Time Machine I can restore. 
 
 So maybe I should explore why Tim's account prevents Minecraft running - if 
 I have the energy that is.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete
 
 On 03/08/2012, at 12:37 PM, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Pete,
 
 Currently it is User's User and that by the way is not my sons name! I 
 think the apostrophe not being ASCII will throw it
 
 Yes, having any punctuation mark in Computer Name can/will cause problems 
 with Time Machine 
 
 How on earth did your son's MacBook get the name User's User?
 What name does he have in System Preferences  Users  Groups ?
 
 For housekeeping, should I delete the User's User sparse bundle file?
 
 Yes, delete the User's User sparsebundle from Time Capsule. It possibly 
 does contain some data (therefore taking space)
 
 To delete the backups for one computer without disturbing anything else on 
 the Time Capsule's Internal Disk.
 1. Connect via Ethernet cable if possible as much faster than deleting via 
 Wi-Fi 
 2. Open Time Capsule under Shared in Finder Sidebar
 3. Click the Data folder
 4. You will now see a x.sparsebundle file for each of the computers 
 that have been backing up. 
 The file contains the name of the computer

Re: Time Machine backup

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Peter,

Did you turn OFF Time Machine before following my instructions to delete the 
sparsebundle?

Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 03/08/2012, at 10:08 PM, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:

 Ok, this is testing me a bit. I have renamed Tims Macbook so username is 
 Tims Macbook. I also tried to delete the User User's Sparesebundle and it 
 says can't do that as Bands is still in use. I managed to get into Bands 
 and was successful in deleting the contents of Bands but unable to delete 
 the root folder for the sparesebundle. That is probably not relevant as I am 
 hoping to create a new sparesebundle for Tims Macbook and kick off a whole 
 new backup.
 
 I've unmounted the Timecapsule many times and reset the backup process to 
 kick off but every time I re-run the process I get the message The backup 
 disc image could not be mounted. I was expecting to see the Time capsule 
 disc image on the desktop during the backup process (like the other Macbooks) 
 but it doesn't do that.
 
 It needs a big stick to fully reset the need to start backup with Time 
 Machine. The User's User sparesbundle root folder still remains too.
 
 What am I missing?
 
 Regards
 
 Pete.
 
 
 
 On 03/08/2012, at 5:52 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Minecraft is probably setup to Run as Administrator.  Also Net Nanny might 
 be restricting it in Tim's Account.
 
 Time Machine backups As an administrator, there’s no special magic you have 
 to perform to back up all the User Accounts using Time Machine. By default, 
 Time Machine backs up all accounts. 
 
 When restoring data from a Time Machine backup, each user is limited by 
 their account’s privileges. With a locked down parentally controlled 
 account, for example, that account’s user won’t be able to access Time 
 Machine (though you, as an administrator, can by modifying the account’s 
 limits, do what needs to be done, and then restore those limits). 
 
 And no user can access the contents of another user’s backed up files from 
 within Time Machine.
 (However, an administrator can browse a Time Machine backup folder within 
 the Finder, navigate to another user’s folder, and change the privileges on 
 that folder to gain access.)
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 03/08/2012, at 5:18 PM, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Ok, thanks for all that Ronni, I'll go through this all tonight I hope.
 
 Just to expand a little more on accounts and machine name, I am actually 
 unsure how User's User came about, yes embarrassing I know, I bet a few 
 chuckles by others, me included. In any case I'll sort that out. On Tim's 
 MacBook, there are two accounts, one for Tim, the other Administrator. 98% 
 of the use of both boys MacBooks is to play a confounded game Minecraft. 
 The other 2% is for iTunes so they can play the West Coast Eagles theme 
 song and synch their apps from iPod Touch's they both have!
 
 Anyway, Tim's account is set up with Parental Controls (he's 9), which 
 works fine, but for some reason I never fully explored, Minecraft won't 
 play (I forget the error message) under Tim's account, so I permit him to 
 use the Administrator account - with me doing the login. We have Net Nanny 
 (specific password controlled) on all Macbooks for content control set very 
 HARD and that seems to give the requisite regulation. I suppose there is 
 some exposure he could corrupt something with his Admin privileges but with 
 Time Machine I can restore. 
 
 So maybe I should explore why Tim's account prevents Minecraft running - if 
 I have the energy that is.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete
 
 On 03/08/2012, at 12:37 PM, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Pete,
 
 Currently it is User's User and that by the way is not my sons name! I 
 think the apostrophe not being ASCII will throw it
 
 Yes, having any punctuation mark in Computer Name can/will cause problems 
 with Time Machine 
 
 How on earth did your son's MacBook get the name User's User?
 What name does he have in System Preferences  Users  Groups ?
 
 For housekeeping, should I delete the User's User sparse bundle file?
 
 Yes, delete the User's User sparsebundle from Time Capsule. It possibly 
 does contain some data (therefore taking space)
 
 To delete the backups for one computer without disturbing anything else on 
 the Time Capsule's Internal Disk.
 1. Connect via Ethernet cable if possible as much faster than deleting via 
 Wi-Fi 
 2. Open Time Capsule under Shared in Finder Sidebar
 3. Click the Data folder
 4. You will now see a x.sparsebundle file for each of the computers 
 that have been backing up. 
 The file contains the name of the computer and the MAC address so you 
 should be able to easily identify the x.sparsebundle file that you 
 want to delete.
 5. Click the x.sparsebundle file to highlight it and then click the 
 'Gear' shaped icon just above and select 'Move to Trash'.
 
 NOTE: Be very careful since you will not be able to retrieve the file if 
 you make a mistake

Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Hi Carlo, yes I am a big fan of rebooting all devices when all is quiet and no 
data transfers or backup occuring. Just prior to me rebooting the TC, Jo's 
Macbook and James' Macbook just completed their successful hourly backups. so 
shortly after this was over I re-powered the TC AND Tim's Macbook, just in 
case. but still no effect. I am very patient with restarts too, to ensure full 
reboot has settled before commanding any further actions - in case activity 
were to interrupt something important settling.

Regards

Pete



On 03/08/2012, at 10:13 PM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:

 Hi Peter,
 
 Have you tried rebooting the Time Capsule itself. When none of your computers 
 are backing up and it's quiet. Just unplug it, wait a few seconds and plug it 
 back in. Alternatively you can reboot it from AirPort Utility but unplugging 
 when it is idle works fine too.
 
 Just for good measure. Reboot Tims Macbook at the same time.
 
 Regards,
 Carlo
 
 ---
 Carlo Margio
 Real World Computing
 
 mob: 0404 296 965
 i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
 www.realworldcomputing.com.au
 
 On 03/08/2012, at 22:08 , Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Ok, this is testing me a bit. I have renamed Tims Macbook so username is 
 Tims Macbook. I also tried to delete the User User's Sparesebundle and 
 it says can't do that as Bands is still in use. I managed to get into 
 Bands and was successful in deleting the contents of Bands but unable to 
 delete the root folder for the sparesebundle. That is probably not relevant 
 as I am hoping to create a new sparesebundle for Tims Macbook and kick off 
 a whole new backup.
 
 I've unmounted the Timecapsule many times and reset the backup process to 
 kick off but every time I re-run the process I get the message The backup 
 disc image could not be mounted. I was expecting to see the Time capsule 
 disc image on the desktop during the backup process (like the other 
 Macbooks) but it doesn't do that.
 
 It needs a big stick to fully reset the need to start backup with Time 
 Machine. The User's User sparesbundle root folder still remains too.
 
 What am I missing?
 
 Regards
 
 Pete.
 
 
 
 On 03/08/2012, at 5:52 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Minecraft is probably setup to Run as Administrator.  Also Net Nanny might 
 be restricting it in Tim's Account.
 
 Time Machine backups As an administrator, there’s no special magic you have 
 to perform to back up all the User Accounts using Time Machine. By default, 
 Time Machine backs up all accounts. 
 
 When restoring data from a Time Machine backup, each user is limited by 
 their account’s privileges. With a locked down parentally controlled 
 account, for example, that account’s user won’t be able to access Time 
 Machine (though you, as an administrator, can by modifying the account’s 
 limits, do what needs to be done, and then restore those limits). 
 
 And no user can access the contents of another user’s backed up files from 
 within Time Machine.
 (However, an administrator can browse a Time Machine backup folder within 
 the Finder, navigate to another user’s folder, and change the privileges on 
 that folder to gain access.)
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 03/08/2012, at 5:18 PM, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Ok, thanks for all that Ronni, I'll go through this all tonight I hope.
 
 Just to expand a little more on accounts and machine name, I am actually 
 unsure how User's User came about, yes embarrassing I know, I bet a few 
 chuckles by others, me included. In any case I'll sort that out. On Tim's 
 MacBook, there are two accounts, one for Tim, the other Administrator. 98% 
 of the use of both boys MacBooks is to play a confounded game Minecraft. 
 The other 2% is for iTunes so they can play the West Coast Eagles theme 
 song and synch their apps from iPod Touch's they both have!
 
 Anyway, Tim's account is set up with Parental Controls (he's 9), which 
 works fine, but for some reason I never fully explored, Minecraft won't 
 play (I forget the error message) under Tim's account, so I permit him to 
 use the Administrator account - with me doing the login. We have Net Nanny 
 (specific password controlled) on all Macbooks for content control set 
 very HARD and that seems to give the requisite regulation. I suppose there 
 is some exposure he could corrupt something with his Admin privileges but 
 with Time Machine I can restore. 
 
 So maybe I should explore why Tim's account prevents Minecraft running - 
 if I have the energy that is.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete
 
 On 03/08/2012, at 12:37 PM, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Pete,
 
 Currently it is User's User and that by the way is not my sons name! I 
 think the apostrophe not being ASCII will throw it
 
 Yes, having any punctuation mark in Computer Name can/will cause problems 
 with Time Machine 
 
 How on earth did your son's MacBook get the name User's User?
 What name does he have in System Preferences  Users  Groups