[Wikimedia-l] Re: WMF transfers $8.7 million to "Wikimedia Knowledge Equity Fund"

Hi all, Yair Rand (quoted below) inquired last December about a 2019/2020 WMF expenditure item, the $8.723M the WMF transferred to a "Wikimedia Knowledge Equity Fund managed and controlled by Tides Advocacy". The 2019/2020financial audit FAQ[1] said, "The Wikimedia Foundation is still setting up

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Flourishing of the Endowment

og.. > Thanks, > GerardM > > > https://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2021/05/wikimedia-needs-your-support-because.html > > > On Mon, 24 May 2021 at 16:49, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > >> Hi again, Julia and Pats, >> >> I've written an article for The

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Flourishing of the Endowment

quot;). If you would like to add any further comment to the article, please let us know, and we'll be happy to add it! To anyone who thinks the article raises an important issue about Wikimedia fundraising, I'd be grateful if you shared it online. Best wishes, Andreas Kolbe On Wed, May 12,

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Flourishing of the Endowment

imedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fundraising#Questions_(from_Wikimedia_Enterprise_discussion) > [3] > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Endowment#Questions_(from_Wikimedia_Enterprise_discussion) > -- > *Julia Brungs* > Senior Community Relations Specialist > Wikimedia Foundation <http

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Flourishing of the Endowment

Hi Dan, On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 4:19 PM Dan Garry (Deskana) wrote: > Including the $100 million endowment, the WMF will now have investments of >> around $200 million (excluding cash and cash equivalents), for an annual >> investment income of over $10 million. That is already enough to run core

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Flourishing of the Endowment

Hi SJ, Long time no speak. :) As explained on Meta, it is inaccurate to think of the endowment as "an > investment that the WMF is the beneficiary of". The endowment is there to > support the Projects, rain or shine. > I don't think you can separate the WMF from its projects, which are the W

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF transfers $8.7 million to "Wikimedia Knowledge Equity Fund"

low which questions were answered yesterday and which ones still await an answer. On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 4:01 PM Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Hi Lisa and all, >> >> Could you provide any update on what is happening with the $8.7 million >> in the Tides Advocacy fund? I asked about it on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] COVID-19 second wave and protection of our most valuable movement asset

the > next few years. The lnk is here - > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_support_for_Wikimedians/India > > Regards, > Bodhisattwa > > > > > On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 at 20:24, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > >> Dear Bodhisattwa, >> >> Could I ask you to pl

[Wikimedia-l] COVID-19 second wave and protection of our most valuable movement asset

Dear Bodhisattwa, Could I ask you to please keep us up to date on the further Wikimedia response to your request? I would love to hear about anything good that is happening as a result of your having asked here – and if nothing useful is happening, I would love to hear about that too – here or by

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF transfers $8.7 million to "Wikimedia Knowledge Equity Fund"

Hi Lisa and all, Could you provide any update on what is happening with the $8.7 million in the Tides Advocacy fund? I asked about it on the Endowment talk page on Meta two weeks ago, and while many other questions there have been answered, this one has not. I also asked on Meta how much money th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Donations - show the editors you care?

Hi, I'd just like to revive the point made by Pelagic in the post that started this thread. I was just now once again presented with this banner wording, "Show the editors who bring you neutral and verified information that their work matters." I find this wording very offensive, as it implies th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Executive Director's Letter to Donors

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 6:37 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > We just won a major victory in our battle to keep the internet free [...] Our > established positions are > against corporate interests. When the Guardian reported[1] on the recent European copyright campaign, as supported by Wikimedia p

Re: [Wikimedia-l] On traceability and reliability of data we publish [was Re: [Wikidata] Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata]

Hi Roger / Alphos, On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 10:01 PM, Alphos OGame wrote: > Traceability of information does not pertain with who imported said > information on Wikidata. Could be an unregistered user, could be a bot, > could be a Wikimedian in residence or even the Pope himself, it doesn't > ma

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata

On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 4:51 PM, Martijn Hoekstra wrote: > I have no dog in this race, but facts are not eligible for copyright > protection. > > Martijn, individual facts aren't eligible for copyright, but substantial compilations of facts are. The concept you are missing is "database rights":

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata

On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 1:54 AM, Denny Vrandečić wrote: > Gnom1 on Phabricator has offered to actually answer legal questions, but we > need to come up with the questions that we want to ask. > > In the Phabricator discussion, Denny and others spent some considerable effort to come up with the f

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata and CC0 [was Re: what made me happy this week]

Hi, Here are a few places where the choice of CC0 for Wikidata was discussed: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikidata#Is_CC_the_right_license_for_data.3F https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/Office_hours_2012-12-18a https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata//2012-April/t

[Wikimedia-l] Berkman Klein Center: Will Wikipedia exist in 20 years?

Video featuring Katherine Maher, Executive Director of the Wikimedia Foundation, in conversation with Harvard Law School Professor Yochai Benkler: https://cyber.harvard.edu/events/2017/luncheon/10/Maher The material in this video touches on many points related to the Wikimedia movement's strategi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

Hi Katherine, On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Katherine Maher wrote: > 2017-10-09 17:44 GMT-07:00 Erik Moeller : > > > > With an eye to 2030 and WMF's long-term direction, I do think it's > > worth thinking about Wikidata's centrality, and I would agree with you > > at least that the phrase "t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

Hi Erik, More good points here. On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 7:01 AM, Erik Moeller wrote: > > With regard to the issue of citations, it's worth noting that it's > already possible to _conditionally_ load data from Wikidata, excluding > information that is unsourced or only sourced circularly (i.e.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The other side of the crisis at WMFR

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 12:21 AM, Emeric VALLESPI wrote: > Katherine, > > [...] > The lawyers you have appointed have been paid by the Foundation. They > *only* interviewed the defendant. Is this true? Because if what Emeric and Remi say is in fact true, it seems inappropriate to character

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

Hi Erik, Really meaty post. Great stuff. Comments below. On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 1:44 AM, Erik Moeller wrote: > On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > > ... and it will all become one free mush everyone copies to make a buck. > We > > are already in a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 9:43 AM, James Salsman wrote: > On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Leinonen Teemu > wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > This is super interesting and important discussion. One idea. > > > >> On 10 Oct 2017, at 3.44, Erik Moeller wrote: > >> And for most of the sources amalgamated i

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

Hi Erik, Nice to hear from you. On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:48 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > > The power of an open, nonprofit approach to "knowledge as a service" > is precisely to democratize access to knowledge graph information: to > make it available to nonprofits, public institutions, communit

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > Hello Joseph, > > We must distinguish between the community, the movement and partners of the > movement. > > The Wikimedia movement is not a community, it consists of several > communities. Such as the community of Wikipedia in French, of Wi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New style banner - A heads up

Sam, On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Sam Wilson wrote: > Peter, > > Fair enough, I agree that the idea that Wikimedia would have been a > success if it'd be made commercial is crazy. You say that now, but originally, Wikipedia was registered as a dotcom, with the idea that the site would h

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

ack with you once we have an > update. > > All the best, > Adele > > On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Simon Poole wrote: > > > > > > > Am 27.07.2017 um 18:37 schrieb Andreas Kolbe: > > > > > > Edward Joseph "Ed" Snowden

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

hirdsector.co.uk/review-urges-major- overhaul-governance-wikimedia-uk/governance/article/1170282 On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 4:45 PM, Ilario Valdelli wrote: > Interesting but: "The review, commissioned by Wikimedia UK..." exactly > who? Board, community, general assembly, group of members?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

Ilario, A few years ago, WMUK was required to undergo an independent governance review. The review was jointly commissioned by WMUK and WMF. The results were public.[1] That option is available for WMFR today just as it was available for WMUK a few years ago. Andreas [1] http://www.thirdsector.c

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

Some further thoughts on this thread while we wait for Adele to come back to us. According to Statista,[1] the worldwide market for virtual digital assistants is expected to grow from $1.64 billion in 2015 to $15.79 billion by 2021. That's a tenfold increase over six years. Digital assistants will

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Simon Poole wrote: > The current (full) answer is > > 'Edward Joseph "Ed" Snowden, the American computer professional former > CIA employee, and government contractor who leaked classified > information from the U.S. National Security Agency in 2013.' > What hap

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Cristian Consonni wrote: > The video was posted on March 9th, 2017. > > This is the article about Edward Snowden as of March 6th, 2017: > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Edward_Snowden&oldid=768899605 > > The response about Edward Snowden is not verbati

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

Hi Cristian, In both cases, they may be within the realm of the "right to quote"[2] > (I am not sure this concept exists in US law per se) or "fair use". > I haven't checked the accuracy of the "Right to quote" Wikipedia article you referenced, but I will note here that it mentions the followin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

Simon, If you look at the comments under Barbara's piece, Greg linked to this YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZurOYgQLT44 I had a look at that video before posting here. (I think it's kind of a daft video, but it does a perfectly good job of demonstrating how the Echo works.) In

[Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

Barbara Page, a Wikipedia Visiting Scholar and Wikipedian in Residence at the University of Pittsburgh, has written a blog post[1] for Wikipediocracy about how the Amazon Echo's Alexa assistant reads out Wikipedia articles in response to queries. This includes queries that do not specifically ask f

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Publicpolicy] Wikimedia Sverige vs. the Visual Copyright Society in Sweden (BUS)

I thought that case was lost over a year ago, in the Swedish Supreme Court: http://fortune.com/2016/04/05/wikimedia-sweden-artworks/ What happened between then and now for this to end up in the Swedish Patent and Market Court? Andreas On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 9:21 AM, Philippe Beaudette wrote:

[Wikimedia-l] 2014–16 audit of the WMF communications strategy

For the past couple of days, there has been a discussion[1] of the 2014–16 audit of the WMF communications strategy[2] and the associated recommendations for WMF messaging in the Wikipedia Weekly Facebook group. The audit was performed by, or in collaboration with, political consultants MinassianM

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Katherine Maher is making me happy this week

In the spirit of this thread— Pine's question about project-based accounting[1] made me look for the first time in a while at the Foundation's most recent Annual Plan[2] and the related mid-year check-in[3]. I was surprised and delighted by how much better – how much more readable, easier to unde

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Form 990 for FY 2015-2016 now on-wiki

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Rogol Domedonfors wrote: > Andreas, > Page 52 reports that Moeller received $208,306 in severance: that seems to > be a year's salary. There is no stated reason for the payment. > > "Rogol" > Thank you. As you say, page 52 informs us that – ---o0o--- Per term

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Form 990 for FY 2015-2016 now on-wiki

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Tony Le wrote: > A notable exception is information related to the > compensation of our officers, key employees, highest paid staff and > independent contractors, which is instead based on the 2015 calendar year. > Thank you. I have two questions: 1. Does the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] a second commons, prevent cease and desist business

People usually encounter images in Wikipedia, and Wikipedia does not comply with the CC licence requirements either, the way downstream re-users are expected to comply with them. That's a problem. For example, the CC BY 3.0 licence requires re-users to name the image's author, and much else beside

Re: [Wikimedia-l] March 2: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#9)

Could anyone name major donors or consultants to the Wikimedia Foundation who are associated with, or open supporters of, – 1. the United States' Republican party? 2. a major conservative, or at least slightly right-of-centre, party in any other country? On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Amir E.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising - Social Media Update

Seddon, Katherine, I am sure the fundraising team has done excellent work. And the public have been very generous – the Wikimedia Foundation's annual revenue has hit a new record every year throughout its existence, rising from humble beginnings in 2003/2004 to $15 million by 2009/2010 and to $82

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Early Update - Fundraising

Good article on Wikimedia fundraising: http://associationsnow.com/2016/12/lessons-wikipedias-annual-donation-strategy/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lis

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Early Update - Fundraising

for our online > campaigns. This is one factor that increases the difference between the > December totals and the December goal for online fundraising. Last year we > also decided to use the online fundraiser to help seed the endowment which > added $5million to our to our fundrais

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Early Update - Fundraising

maintained) but it would seem that > numbers in the frdata dump are only useful as a rough guide. > > We are basing our numbers on internal accounting figures which is more > representative of the actual cash flow since it is more closely based on > actual cleared payments. > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Early Update - Fundraising

People can follow progress of the fundraiser by loading the spreadsheet files provided here: https://frdata.wikimedia.org/ At the time of writing, the data in yeardata-day-vs-sum.csv Total amount received per day (not taking into account re

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Clarifications on 2014 Form 990

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 2:50 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > Patricio Lorente wrote: > >We’ve heard your questions and want to address them broadly, as well as > >provide more information about the breakdown of Sue’s compensation during > >this time. > > Thank you for this e-mail. > Indeed. Thank you for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Board update

On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: > Regarding the community seat, I am in conversation with the Election > Committee, which has narrowed it down to just a few options. We are going > to finish this discussion soon and I expect the timeline to be announced > before Wikimani

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What should the board do *now*? [was Re: Account of the events leading to James Heilman's removal]

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 4:48 PM, Luis Villa wrote: >- After I left, I did not sign a termination or contracting agreement >with the organization, so I did not become a contractor with the >organization. > Thanks, Luis. >- My baby was due yesterday, so I probably won't check th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Account of the events leading to James Heilman's removal

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:00 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > I used the phrase "run amok" based on comments at > . Specifically, > Brion Vibber writes: > > "Former VP of Engineering Damon Sicore, who as far as I know conceived the > 'knowledge engine',

Re: [Wikimedia-l] “For Cause”

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 10:09 AM, James Heilman wrote: > In a Dec 30th, 2015 personal email JW touched on two potential reasons but > they are unfounded. I've lost count of the number of times Jimmy Wales said in recent months that he would know "within a few days" whether it was fine to publis

Re: [Wikimedia-l] election for 2 seats on WMF board of trustees ends May 7...

On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Lane Rasberry wrote: > Hello, > > As of now, 13 of 42 eligible organizations have voted in the 2016 chapters' > election for 2 of 10 Wikimedia Foundation seats on the board of trustees. > Lane, A procedural question: Is the chapters' vote binding on the board,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Account of the events leading to James Heilman's removal

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 6:10 PM, Denny Vrandečić wrote: > The formal task force was created end of October. This task force involved > outside legal counsel and conducted professional fact finding. > What were the prime motivations for involving outside legal counsel, and how much money did this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Media Websites Battle Faltering Ad Revenue and Traffic"

Thanks, Pine. Some stand-out quotes from the article: *85 cents of every new dollar spent in online advertising will go to Google or Facebook, said Brian Nowak, a Morgan Stanley analyst.* *Facebook also announced that it would open up Instant Articles — which encourage publishers to post their

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

On March 21, Jimmy posted excerpts from an email conversation he'd had with James Heilman on his Wikipedia user talk page, making further allegations against James.[1] James replied twice: Jimmy Wales' summary above of our email correspondence is far from complete, and is not an accurate repres

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Sweden loses copyright suit

An English translation of the Swedish court decision is now available on wikimediafoundation.org.[1] As I understand the judgment, Offentligkonst.se, as a large-scale open database, was found to unduly restrict the authors' opportunities for commercial exploitation of their own works. And indeed,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Sweden loses copyright suit

ts not "a large-scale online database" per se. Its the commercial aspect >> of it that is at issue. >> >> >> On 05/04/2016 19:06, Andreas Kolbe wrote: >> >>> Report in The Guardian: >>> >>> >>> http://www.theguar

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Sweden loses copyright suit

Report in The Guardian: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/05/wikimedias-free-photo-database-of-artworks-violates-copyright-court-rules Wikimedia Sweden press release: http://www.mynewsdesk.com/se/pressreleases/hoegsta-domstolen-vaeljer-att-krympa-det-offentliga-rummet-istaellet-foer-att-

Re: [Wikimedia-l] any open search engine for web project starting

Dan, I understand you are currently only working on internal search, representing stage 1 of this project. But does the long-term vision of the subsequent stages still include things like – 1. incorporation of non-Wikimedia sources in search results, 2. an open source knowledge engine like IBM's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

Motherboard today has a fairly comprehensive report on this: Angola’s Wikipedia Pirates Are Exposing the Problems With Digital Colonialism http://motherboard.vice.com/read/wikipedia-zero-facebook-free-basics-angola-pirates-zero-rating On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Mwaoshe Njemah wrote: > Re

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 12:13 AM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 6:51 AM, SarahSV wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 4:42 PM, John Mark Vandenberg > > wrote: > >> Are we still waiting for Jimmy to agree/reject to James' request to > >> release an email? > > > > Yes. Ji

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement clauses

Luis, The original announcement of your departure[1], posted on Feb. 8, said, Quote: "Later this month, Luis will transition out of his current position with the Wikimedia Foundation to pursue other opportunities. He will remain in a consulting role with the Foundation over the next few months, c

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement clauses

resigned, too, and has yet to be replaced. > > Risker/Anne > > On 12 March 2016 at 21:09, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > > On March 1, Jimmy Wales wrote:[1] > > > > things like standard boilerplate language to be signed by > > > all employees doesn't strike

[Wikimedia-l] WMF non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement clauses

On March 1, Jimmy Wales wrote:[1] things like standard boilerplate language to be signed by > all employees doesn't strike me as something in and of itself to be kept > private - there is a valid interest in showing that our policies are > fair and humane for employees, responsible in terms of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

CC-0 licence has the potential of obscuring the origin of the data, cutting the very feedback loop your argument relies on for a substantial subset of end users. Andreas On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 1:57 PM, David Cuenca Tudela wrote: > On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Andreas Kolbe > wrote: > &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

post/2015-12-02/Op-ed [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Klee-Irwin.gif [3] http://www.newsweek.com/2015/04/03/manipulating-wikipedia-promote-bogus-business-school-316133.html [4] https://www.facebook.com/groups/wikipediaweekly/permalink/969531789761319/ > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:56 P

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > One unhealthy cycle that I think we've gotten into is what I would call > "Kremlinology". > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kremlinology > > The cycle looks like this: > - the board doesn't share enough, so people are forced to try to > interpr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 11:24 PM, jytdog wrote: > Pierre that is exactly what I struggle with. You are saying that throwing > integrity out the window in the name of politics is OK. I am saying it is > absolutely not OK. The individuals representing the board should have been > honest and simpl

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Armenia candidate for the board

/en/40-press-releases/presss-releases/4871-occrp-rise-euractiv-launch-internet-ownership-project [5] http://hetq.am/eng/news/65992/armentel-$500-million-swindle-employees-phone-messages-monitored.html [6] http://www.eurasianet.org/node/72831 On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 4:14 AM, Fæ wrote: > On 2 Marc

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Armenia candidate for the board

> [1] let us remember countries in the west struggle with tremendous > corruption too, albeit manifested more financially than ideologically. > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Cristian Consonni > > wrote: > > > 2016-03-03 0:15 GMT+01:00 Andreas Kolbe : > > > I don

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Armenia candidate for the board

+01:00 Andreas Kolbe : > > I don't know Susanna, and in fact until yesterday had never heard of her. > > She may well be a delightful and charming person with a genuine > enthusiasm > > for open knowledge. There are after all many encyclopedic topics that > have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Armenia candidate for the board

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > Susanna is (or was) a researcher, and every researcher in Armenia is a > state employee. There are just no non-governmental organizations who employ > researchers. > > I do think there is a problem with a potential Armenian board membe

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Armenia candidate for the board

A number of nominations have now come in for the affiliate-selected board seats.[1] One of the people who have put their names forward to date is Susanna Mkrtchyan of Wikimedia Armenia. In her nomination statement[2] Susanna refers to the 2014 "One Armenian, one Article" Wikipedia campaign. The B

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > We should not use off-list messages to convey thoughts that would be > completely unacceptable if said in public. I don't want to be involved in > stuff like that -- and I'd much rather it didn't happen to begin with. > I told Jimmy Wales a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:24 AM, Erik Moeller wrote: > > Anne, I have mentioned several times in the past few days here on this > list > > Sue Gardner's 2008 email suggesting that the WMF enter into an "umbrella > > relationship/agreement" or "business deal" with Google. In case you > missed > > i

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

Anne, On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 2:15 AM, Risker wrote: > > They don't mean the same thing at all. But would you really dispute the > > statement that WMF leaders should be both transparent AND honest? > > > > Transparency is a fundamental WMF value. > > > > Nobody here is talking about vendor agre

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

Kevin, Those were quotes from the current WMF documentation explaining the Discovery project and its underlying strategy. I linked the sources in my post. Federated open data sources and Kindle are mentioned here: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=File%3ADiscovery_Year_0-1-2.pdf&page=9

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 12:52 AM, Risker wrote: > > So please, let's stop pretending those two words mean the same thing. > They don't mean the same thing at all. But would you really dispute the statement that WMF leaders should be both transparent AND honest? Transparency is a fundamental WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:23 PM, Chris Keating wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > **To that end, the Board remains unanimously committed in > > our support of Lila in her role** and in her efforts to adapt her > > leadership and to address these issues." > > Aste

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > So my concern is not that you lost touch with staff. I don't > particularly care about any one person. My concern is that the *board* > did. My concern is that when staff reached out the Board replied with > a letter indicating they had full

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Andreas Kolbe > wrote: > > > Here is what I don't understand: both Dariusz and James have said that > they > > pushed hard for transparency and community engagement ab

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > And there are things in the FAQs even today, like the plans for "public > curation or relevance",[1][2] that are of material interest to volunteers, > because they are the ones envisaged to be doing that work. >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > We went back and forth in pleasant emails discussing the situation and > as a part of that I said: "I am always in favor of more community > consultation." I went on to discuss a bit that I didn't think we were > at the point where a full-sca

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > On 2/29/16 7:00 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > A few days ago, Oliver Keyes said[1] here on this list that, even though > he > > had already quit his job, he was scared to share with people the content > of > > the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > Intimidation about speaking up is a terrible and perverse thing to > happen in any organization. If that's a feeling that the organization > has had, I want to put forward the idea that it's over. If I were > moving into the ED position, it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

Pete, According to his Signpost piece three weeks ago[1], James Heilman emailed the board in mid-October about the Knight Foundation grant to warn the board, and I quote – *"4) There is a serious lack of transparency around this new "sister project". This has not been discussed with our communit

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

alking about compatibility work that helps users, then I > think that's part of our job to do. If talking about making search engines, > they can and do just do it themselves without our involvement. > > -- brion > > > > > On Monday, 29 February 2016, Brion Vibber

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 7:04 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > > What non-hypothetical work are you referring to? > > {{cn}} > > -- brion > Brion, You tell me. :) For what it's worth, Jimmy Wales has said in this thread today, ---o0o--- On the very specific topic of donor funding going to help comm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

t whether that's in the form of > "self-financing cottage industries" or a "separate for-profit arm" or > within the current engineering organization. I can see arguments for > any of those. > > > > > On 2/28/16 8:02 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:10 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > On 2/28/16 6:48 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > I think it is far more likely that if the board is conducting its > business > > in a non-transparent manner, and has done for as long as it has existed, > > then that is b

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: We COULD outsource most of our tech (I'm not supporting this, I'm just > giving perspective). > One thing I've been wondering about of late is how much donor-funded the work the WMF is doing that is primarily designed to support commerc

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

Erik, I have too many times read appeals to do something later, because now is not a good time, or to move discussion to a sub-page, because it's too big a topic, and so forth. Invariably the result was that *nothing ever happened*. Chris Sherlock is absolutely right that the board's performance

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

016 at 3:37 AM, Chris Sherlock wrote: > > > On 28 Feb 2016, at 2:25 PM, Chris Sherlock > wrote: > > > > > >> On 28 Feb 2016, at 1:16 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > >> > >> On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Anna Stillwell < > astillw...@wikimedia.or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

Anna, That too is largely due to volunteers. In early February 2002 for example, Jimmy spoke of putting advertising on Wikipedia, saying on the Wikipedia-l mailing list:[1][2] ---o0o--- However, with the ongoing hard times in the Internet economy, we do anticipate adding some forms of advertisin

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On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Anna Stillwell wrote: > Jimmy, > > I have a ridiculous amount of respect for you and what you have > accomplished. I have watched from afar (I was living a lot in other > countries) as this radical experiment in trust *exploded* on to the world. > It blew my mind.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

Well, Jimmy Wales has said here in this discussion that he is "continuing to push for more disclosure and more openness." Maybe he'll be so kind as to tell you now that you can publish that NDA here on this list without fear of repercussions. I think we all agree that kind of fear should have no p

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > > Diplomacy requires talking to your enemies as well as your friends. (And in > the real world, we are rarely all one or the other.) > > -- brion Yes, that I can see, and well said. Andreas ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

Brion, I understand you and Jimmy Wales go way, way back. But what is the point of "coming together" with someone who, just hours before the Knowledge Engine grant agreement was released, insisted, ---o0o--- 'To make this very clear: no one in top positions has proposed or is proposing that WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why we changed

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 10:21 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > On 02/21/2016 11:03 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > >> So, if you speak of structurally connecting *open* sources, as a basis for >> smart editing tools, you seem to be saying that such copyrighted yet >> openly &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transition plans for WMF leadership - Board Reform

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Andreas Kolbe > wrote: > >> >> (1) The most compelling arguments in favour of having appointees as >> voting board members (as opposed to having them as advisory bo

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