Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations and community conversations launching next week
ic evidence. I would be > delighted if you would share your thoughts on the discussion page. > > > Aron > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> -- David Goodman DGG at enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block
Erling Blad > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > When you bad mouth other users there should be, and will be, > > > > > consequences. > > > > > > An admin got desysoped and banned after repeated warnings? So > > what? The > > > > > > only ting to be learned is that some people believe they can do > > > > whatever > > > > > > they want and it has no consequences, and other people goes > > ballistic > > > > > when > > > > > > consequences happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would have given desysoped fram and 14 days to cool off, and if > > that > > > > > did > > > > > > not work out repeated with one month. Banning someone for one > year > > is > > > > > like > > > > > > telling them to leave and don't come back. Someone at WMF is > > clearly > > > > > overly > > > > > > sensitive, but not reacting would also be wrong. > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > ___ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > ___ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> -- David Goodman DGG at enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block
<mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > _______ > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > ___ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > ___ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> -- David Goodman DGG at enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing the Spaces and call for submissions for Wikimania 2019 Stockholm
Note: Deadline for submissions is 1 June. On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 3:04 AM Ad Huikeshoven wrote: > Hi Liam, > > This looks great! > > Ad > > On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 2:28 AM Liam Wyatt wrote: > > > Dear Wikimaniacs, Wikimedians, and friends of the Wikiverse! > > > > On behalf of the Wikimania 2019 Stockholm organising team, I am pleased > to > > announce two things: > > > > - The list of accepted "Spaces". > > > > - That the Call for Submissions is now OPEN. > > > > https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2019:Submissions > > > > Please join me in congratulating the Leaders of each of the accepted > > Wikimania 2019 Spaces! As per the program design[1], Wikimania this year > > has the format of "Spaces", each with its own group of "Leaders" - all of > > who made a proposal to host a Space back in March. The core team has been > > working with the Leaders since then to prepare an interesting, diverse, > and > > coherent conference. Each Space has its own topic area, and in their own > > way they all of them help address the conference theme: "Stronger > together: > > Wikimedia, Free Knowledge and the Sustainable Development Goals".[2] > > > > Each Space will have its own room for a period of time in the conference > to > > curate and coordinate as they see fit.[3] You can read about what each > > Space is planning to achieve, and who is Leading it, at the link above. > In > > English-alphabetical order they are: > > > >- > > > >Accessibility (A11y): Components and Standards > >- > > > >Global Advocacy for Free Knowledge: Trends, Challenges, and > > Opportunities > >- > > > >Community Growth > >- > > > >Diversity > >- > > > >Education > >- > > > >Environmental sustainability > >- > > > >GLAM - cultural partnerships and Wikimedia > >- > > > >Growing Wikimedia’s readership worldwide > >- > > > >Health > >- > > > >Languages > >- > > > >Libraries belong in Wikimedia projects > >- > > > >Multimedia knowledge > >- > > > >Partnerships > >- > > > >Quality > >- > > > >Research > >- > > > >Thriving in Safety > >- > > > >Strategy for Wikimedia 2030 – The path towards our future > >- > > > >Transcription > >- > > > >Technology outreach & innovation > > > > And of course the Poster session, which will be a plenary event. > > > > For 2019, there is no 'central' program committee nor a single submission > > form. To make a submission, visit the page of the Space which most > relates > > to your proposal, read its instructions for what kinds of submissions the > > Leaders of that Space wish to receive. Then click the submission button. > > > > Each Space is looking for different kinds of content or format. So it is > > important that people wanting to propose a > presentation/workshop/panel/etc > > at Wikimania read the information that the Leaders of each Space have > > provided. > > > > Once again, the link to the list of all the accepted Spaces, each with > its > > own submission form, is here: > > https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2019:Submissions#Spaces > > > > Please feel free to share/forward this email. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > - Liam Wyatt (Volunteer program chair), and Eric Luth (Conference > Manager, > > Wikimedia Sverige) > > > > > > [1] https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2019:Program_design > > > > [2] https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2019:Theme > > > > [3] Note that the Spaces do NOT all have the same room capacity, or > > duration. Thus the content of the Wikimania program is not intending to > be > > 'evenly spread' across these topic areas. > > _______ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> -- David Goodman DGG at enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?
Peter, all of these would be useful . The most useful of all would be a list of those that have been deleted as drafts that were not improved for 6 months--I havre a partial list, but there is no easy way of screening it. A spreadsheet with links to the deleted versions and to the google scholar and worldcat records would be an enormous help--I became an admin 12 years ago specifically to rescue deleted articles, but there is no systematic way of finding them. On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 1:33 AM Peter Southwood < peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote: > David, > Would your work be influenced by an analysis of the academic biographies > which are most searched for that are not on Wikipedia yet? (assuming that > such an targeted analysis was available) > Cheers, > Peter > > PS. An analysis that included a check of whether the topic was likely to > be notable and a listing of possible sources would also save a lot of > wasted effort. Also a check against articles that have been deleted for > good reasons, and articles in other languages with a reasonable accessible > reference list. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > Behalf Of David Goodman > Sent: 12 March 2019 07:15 > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers? > > "with popular topics cannibalizing resources." > > What resources can be cannibalized? The limiting resource in WP is > interested people writing, improving, and validating articles. People > choose their own topics. This is different from an organization where > staff can be directed to work on what the management think is important. > > I, for example, almost totally avoid most aspects of what is popular > culture--I am neither competent nor interested. ) The topics I work on are > those that interest me, mainly academic biographies. I'm sure most people > do not think them important. We're volunteers, and must tolerate each > others interests. > > On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 5:06 PM John Erling Blad wrote: > > > We should be using a grid for what people are reading about, instead > > of using countries. That will give a better representation of large > > countries vs small countries. It will also better reflect local ethnic > > groups. > > > > On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 1:53 PM Amir E. Aharoni > > wrote: > > > > > > בתאריך יום א׳, 10 במרץ 2019 ב-23:27 מאת Gerard Meijssen < > > > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>: > > > > > > > Hoi, > > > > I have been thinking about it.. There is a place for research but > > really > > > > why can we not have the data that allows us to seek out what people > are > > > > actually looking for and do not find.. Why can we not promote what > > proves > > > > to be of interest [1] ? > > > > > > > > > > Actually, there was some work done around it. Here are some examples: > > > > > > 1. The Discovery (Search) team in the Foundation researched searches in > > > Wikimedia sites' search box that yielded zero results. This was done in > > > 2016 or so, led by Dan Garry as the product manager, and this lead to > > some > > > improvements in the functionality of Wikimedia sites' internal search > > > engine, although I don't remember what they were exactly. > > > > > > 2. Google's Project Tiger provided lists of articles for which people > > often > > > search in the Google search engine in India, and about which there are > no > > > articles in Wikipedias in languages of India. See > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Supporting_Indian_Language_Wikipedias_Program > > > > > > 3. Last year I made a list of articles that people search for in their > > > language using the interlanguage links search box and cannot find. You > > can > > > see a sample here: > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Amire80/WEIRD/2018-04-09%E2%80%932018-04-15 > > > . I plan to make this list nicer-looking and auto-updating some time > > soon. > > > > > > 4. The GapFinder project is another tool that helps people find > articles > > > that are missing in some wikis: > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/GapFinder > > > > > > 5. This is just an idea, but it's written down, which is a bit better > > than > > > nothing: Show the most popular articles by country in the PageViews > tool, > > > rather than just by language. It's documented at > > >
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?
"with popular topics cannibalizing resources." What resources can be cannibalized? The limiting resource in WP is interested people writing, improving, and validating articles. People choose their own topics. This is different from an organization where staff can be directed to work on what the management think is important. I, for example, almost totally avoid most aspects of what is popular culture--I am neither competent nor interested. ) The topics I work on are those that interest me, mainly academic biographies. I'm sure most people do not think them important. We're volunteers, and must tolerate each others interests. On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 5:06 PM John Erling Blad wrote: > We should be using a grid for what people are reading about, instead > of using countries. That will give a better representation of large > countries vs small countries. It will also better reflect local ethnic > groups. > > On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 1:53 PM Amir E. Aharoni > wrote: > > > > בתאריך יום א׳, 10 במרץ 2019 ב-23:27 מאת Gerard Meijssen < > > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>: > > > > > Hoi, > > > I have been thinking about it.. There is a place for research but > really > > > why can we not have the data that allows us to seek out what people are > > > actually looking for and do not find.. Why can we not promote what > proves > > > to be of interest [1] ? > > > > > > > Actually, there was some work done around it. Here are some examples: > > > > 1. The Discovery (Search) team in the Foundation researched searches in > > Wikimedia sites' search box that yielded zero results. This was done in > > 2016 or so, led by Dan Garry as the product manager, and this lead to > some > > improvements in the functionality of Wikimedia sites' internal search > > engine, although I don't remember what they were exactly. > > > > 2. Google's Project Tiger provided lists of articles for which people > often > > search in the Google search engine in India, and about which there are no > > articles in Wikipedias in languages of India. See > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Supporting_Indian_Language_Wikipedias_Program > > > > 3. Last year I made a list of articles that people search for in their > > language using the interlanguage links search box and cannot find. You > can > > see a sample here: > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Amire80/WEIRD/2018-04-09%E2%80%932018-04-15 > > . I plan to make this list nicer-looking and auto-updating some time > soon. > > > > 4. The GapFinder project is another tool that helps people find articles > > that are missing in some wikis: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/GapFinder > > > > 5. This is just an idea, but it's written down, which is a bit better > than > > nothing: Show the most popular articles by country in the PageViews tool, > > rather than just by language. It's documented at > > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T207171 . The rationale for this is > that > > the most popular English Wikipedia articles in the U.S., Nigeria, India, > > the Philippines, and South Africa are significantly different. The > English > > Wikipedia is the most popular one in all these countries, but whereas it > is > > sensible that it's popular in the U.S., it's a bit depressing that it's > > also the most popular in the other four countries, even though languages > > other than English are spoken there. The reason for this situation is, of > > course, that there is little content in the Wikipedias in the languages > of > > these countries, and knowing what the most popular articles are can help > > people who write in these languages choose how to write that will be > > useful, and will hopefully raise the popularity of Wikipedias in these > > languages. The same is true for the most popular Russian Wikipedia > articles > > in Kyrgyzstan and Moldova, the most popular French Wikipedia articles in > > Benin and Mali, etc. This is only an idea, but maybe it will be > implemented > > some day. > > > > -- > > Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי > > http://aharoni.wordpress.com > > “We're living in pieces, > > I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/li
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?
The idea of an encyclopedia is to provide the information people need or want that's appropriate to the format. It would be useful to see what they want that is appropriate but we do not have -- and also useful to see what they look for that isn't appropriate for us. Within what's appropriate, I see no reason why selection of topics should not be driven by reader interests as much as by editor interests. Our purpose is not to practice our writing skills for our own benefit. On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 6:58 PM Vi to wrote: > The idea of a popularity-driven encyclopaedia scares 😱 > > Vito > > Il giorno dom 10 mar 2019 alle ore 22:26 Gerard Meijssen < > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > > > Hoi, > > I have been thinking about it.. There is a place for research but really > > why can we not have the data that allows us to seek out what people are > > actually looking for and do not find.. Why can we not promote what proves > > to be of interest [1] ? > > Thanks, > > GerardM > > > > [1] > > > > > https://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2019/03/a-marketing-approach-to-what-it-is-that.html > > > > On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 22:13, Leila Zia wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > As I mentioned in an earlier thread [1], we will be running reader > > > surveys across a number of Wikipedia languages to learn about the > > > reader needs and motivations in these languages as well as some of > > > their demographic information (and perhaps the correlations between > > > demographics and user motivations and characteristics). > > > > > > If your language community is interested to have statistics on the > > > distribution of reader gender, age, education, native language, and > > > geographic region (rural/urban) in your language (and depending on how > > > much data we collect in your language, perhaps more insights), this is > > > your chance to indicate interest at: > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Characterizing_Wikipedia_Reader_Behaviour/Demographics_and_Wikipedia_use_cases#Interested_languages > > > > > > I initially communicated 2019-02-15 as the deadline to sign up. Since > > > then, we have run a pilot test on enwiki and we are investigating some > > > of the results to see if any changes in the survey questions are > > > needed. You have now time until 2019-03-15 to indicate interest. > > > > > > As always: this call is primarily a service to your language > > > community. If you like it, take action on it. If you don't, no action > > > is needed. :) > > > > > > Best, > > > Leila > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2019-February/091762.html > > > > > > ___ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement under DMCA attack!
t; >>>> Brazilian academy). > > >>>> > > >>>> Still bewildered by this nonsense I had to decide what to do. The > DMCA > > >>>> notice gave us two options: either to remove the illegally posted > file > > >>>> or > > >>>> to contest the complaint. Thinking about justice, we would obviously > > opt > > >>>> for the second option because we were not doing anything illegal. > But > > >>>> within the cruel logic of the DMCA, we were given an absurd 24-hour > > >>>> deadline to send a response and our page was already off. It is > worth > > >>>> mentioning that at that moment our host removed all the pages in the > > >>>> domain > > >>>> wikibrasil.org, and not just the page with the annals of the > previous > > >>>> conference. In this way, projects such as IWSC and WLM that were in > > key > > >>>> moments of their execution were also unavailable to users. So, to > the > > >>>> very > > >>>> annoyance we had to remove the file (as if we were guilty!) In order > > to > > >>>> request that the sites be republished. > > >>>> > > >>>> Yet stunned by this, I asked for help from the WMF’s Trust & Safety > > and > > >>>> the > > >>>> Legal Team. Both were sympathetic, but the WMF's legal support > > policies > > >>>> provide support only for problems regarding content hosted on the > > >>>> foundation's servers, and since that was not the case, I could not > > >>>> receive > > >>>> formal legal support. Unsure, fearing the possible legal > implications > > of > > >>>> the complaint, and without knowing how to defend myself I spoke with > > >>>> groups > > >>>> of free culture and defense of freedom of expression and concluded > > that > > >>>> the > > >>>> best way to defend myself would be to publicize the ongoing > > persecution. > > >>>> > > >>>> The days that followed were very difficult for me. Whenever I had to > > >>>> deal > > >>>> with any wiki subject I was taken by a feeling of revolt and could > not > > >>>> do > > >>>> anything. I spent hours trying to write these words but I just > > couldn’t > > >>>> do > > >>>> it. Having to face a legal threat through the DMCA may already be > > >>>> something > > >>>> to wrap the stomach itself, but having to do it knowing that who > > >>>> denounces > > >>>> know he is lying, says himself a defender of free culture and is > even > > a > > >>>> member of the Wikimedia community is unbelievably revolting! > > >>>> > > >>>> We all know that wikis communities are not a bed of roses and I > have > > >>>> several times left and I stopped editing because of the bullying > done > > by > > >>>> users like him. But this time I won’t shut up! The destructive > > behavior > > >>>> of > > >>>> this person has escalated in a way that is forcing me to spend all > my > > >>>> time > > >>>> studying United States copyright law to defend myself from > something I > > >>>> did > > >>>> not do, and he knows it well. This user used his influence to move > the > > >>>> largest university in Latin America into an international legal > threat > > >>>> against the movement he claims to be a part of. We need to stop it! > > >>>> > > >>>> For those who do not know this user, it is worth pointing out that > he > > >>>> leads > > >>>> a users group, and receives funding from WMF to conduct outreach > > >>>> activities. I repeat: This person who uses the DMCA to legally > > threaten > > >>>> members of the Wikimedia community is receiving money from our > > movement > > >>>> to > > >>>> fund their projects. We can not accept this anymore! Joao Alexandre > > >>>> Peschanski (a.k.a. Joalpe) should be boycotted in every possible way > > by > > >>>> the > > >>>> Wikimedia movement. A copyrig
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Facebook test features Wikipedia
I am somewhat concern that we will need to take even greater effort in double-check those first three sentences than we normally do in ledes. . On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:06 PM, Gnangarra wrote: > wonderful concept, and yes we need to do more about Newspapers on > Wikipedia. Fortunately for Australia there has been a number of state > libraries working on creating articles about all newspapers, so we had > links in referencing to the source details in each state so Australian > newspapers are at least ahead of the curve on the information. It may be > something that can be suggested libraries, beside these two examples we > have Northern Territory, Queensland and Victorian libraries also working on > the project thanks to support from the Australian National Library which is > another one of those projects to grow from seeds scattered by Liam Wyatt > some years ago. > > >- >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/State_Library_ > of_Western_Australia/The_Newspaper_Project >- >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/State_Library_ > of_New_South_Wales/The_Newspaper_Project >- > > > On 6 October 2017 at 07:15, Toby Negrin wrote: > > > Hi Andy -- at about 18 seconds into the video, you can see content that's > > identified, albeit in light gray font, as being from Wikipedia with links > > to the article and the license. > > > > -Toby > > > > On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Andy Mabbett > > wrote: > > > > > On 5 October 2017 at 21:20, Strainu wrote: > > > > 2017-10-05 23:14 GMT+03:00 Andy Mabbett : > > > > > > >> Sounds good - does anyone know of any screen-shots. or video, > showing > > > >> this in action? > > > > > > > > Check out the video in the original announcement that Toby linked to. > > > > > > I saw that video, but it neither mentions nor shows content from > > Wikipedia. > > > > > > -- > > > Andy Mabbett > > > @pigsonthewing > > > http://pigsonthewing.org.uk > > > > > > ___ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > -- > GN. > President Wikimedia Australia > WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra > Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyfraud by the British Museum
It is my understanding that many museums automatically put a restriction on copying of material on loan, since they have not themselves investigated the copyright status. I have known libraries to do that for any book received by inter-library loan, on the same basis. Such restrictions can of course sometime produce ludicrous results, as here. On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 7:10 AM, Jean-Philippe Béland wrote: > Exact replica should not be copyrighted in my opinion since they are not a > "creation of the mind". That being said, the changes made by the one doing > the replica can be copyrighted. > > In this case of the museum, I think the person(s) doing the restoration did > a "creation of the mind" since they rebuild it without having an exact > model to copy. > > JP > > On Tue, Aug 1, 2017, 02:36 Yaroslav Blanter, wrote: > > > Actually, on Commons I had photographs deleted on the ground that the > > depicted building is a replica of an old building which went out of > > copyright, but the replica is copyrighted (despite my objection). When I > > myself nominated a photograph on the same grounds, it was kept. I do not > > particularly care which one is correct, but it would be great to have > > consistent practice. > > > > Cheers > > Yaroslav > > > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 3:07 PM, Gordon Joly > > wrote: > > > > > On 31/07/17 00:06, Jean-Philippe Béland wrote: > > > > The restoration work is indeed an extensive work, but is it a > > "creation > > > of > > > > the mind", which is necessary for copyright? > > > > > > > > JP > > > > > > > > > The Cutty Sark was almost destroyed by fire, and was rebuilt. I would > > > say it a visitor attraction (of very high quality) that it is a > > > facsimile of the craft that sailed the oceans. I have visited both > > > before and after the fire (and rebuilding). Some timbers would also > have > > > replaced before the fire and also planned replacement during the 2007 > > > conservation closure period when the fire took place. > > > > > > Sir Arthur Evans also rebuilt an artifact, Knossos, and he used > > > concrete, which was not around in the era 1380–1100 BCE. > > > > > > Has something has been "created" by a mind? I would say yes, to both. > In > > > the case of the Cutty Sark, the ship was placed in a new "dry dock" so > > > that visitors can view the hull (for example). > > > > > > Gordo > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [arbcom-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services
Charles, Very few paid editors who currently advertise use the trademarks; they do say that they will write or help write articles in Wikipedia , and that is a true statement. They will sometimes say they are authorized to do so, or that their work is legitimate, which is false, but that does not seem to be a violation of the trademark. What action are you prepared to take against those who violate the paid editing provision of the TOU, without violating the trademark? Have there been any such cases where you have even written a cease and desist letter except for Morning227? (If you need to reply privately, I'm a member of enWP arbcom and have signed the relevant nondisclosure statements). On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Pine W wrote: > Hi Jacob, > > Can we get an ETA on the longer statement? > > Pine > > > On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Jacob Rogers > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I want to share a few thoughts on the paid editing issue. First of all, > we > > do have the ability to enforce our terms of use. If there are cases where > > you're encountering a severe problem with paid editing and community > > efforts are not able to solve it, please get in touch with us via > > le...@wikimedia.org and we can discuss how we can provide support > > depending > > on the details of the case. With apologies, I'm not able to discuss > details > > of any specific cases here because we don't want to reveal information > > about ongoing or future investigations or legal actions. > > > > In general, I do want to say a few words about the role of legal tools in > > these kinds of cases. Legal actions are a blunt instrument: courts use > the > > same solutions to every problem, and have not kept up with the speed of > > modern technology. So we are interested in helping to improve community > > systems and technological tools (like tools to help admins investigate > and > > block problematic users) that can make it so that legal action isn't > > necessary in many cases. > > > > I also want to note that we've been working on a longer statement > outlining > > some of our thoughts about our role in dealing with paid editing concerns > > and some ways the communities can effectively approach these issues as > > well. We plan to post this on-wiki soon. > > > > Lastly, let me say thank you to all the community members who help out > with > > these issues. We really appreciate everyone who reports cases to us and > > helps us take action where we are able, such as reporting some job > postings > > on third-party sites. > > > > Best, > > Jacob Rogers > > > > -- > > > > Jacob Rogers > > Legal Counsel > > Wikimedia Foundation > > > > NOTICE: This message might have confidential or legally privileged > > information in it. If you have received this message by accident, please > > delete it and let us know about the mistake. As an attorney for the > > Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical reasons I cannot give legal > advice > > to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff > > members in their personal capacity. For more on what this means, please > see > > our legal disclaimer > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Legal_Disclaimer>. > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Marketing jobs at the Wikimedia Foundation
Marketing can get someone to buy a product once; the problem is to get them to buy another, and that depends on the quality of the product. It is much easier to get new first time editors than to give them the encouragement and satisfaction to keep them going. On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 5:38 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > At the research mailing list two relevant activities were mentioned that do > not adequately take place. > > * *Gamified interfaces for microcontributions à la Wikidata game* > ** **Ubiquitous outreach, supported by dedicated technology* > > The notion exists that it is possible to do all kind of technological > things to make things stand out more but the big problem is imho not > technological. It is not content, it is the awareness that marketing is > more than selling things. > > A respected Wikimedian made the bold statement that "Wikipedia could > absolutely have 100x the number of editors it has now".I would argue that > this is correct > > My question is not could marketing methods make a difference but what > objectives do we have that will benefit from a marketing approach. What > does it take to be more pro-active towards our objectives? > Thanks, >GerardM > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why are articles being deleted?
is alive and so > > much better! > > > > Hm, but while I agree that the article has not been of high quality > > from the start, I am really not sure if the best approach was for it > > to be deleted. What would be a better process in such cases? Why > > articles are not asked to be deleted with more time? > > > > My article was speedy deleted based on: > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#A7 > > > > What I do not understand is why there is a speedy deletion if article > > does not explain why the subject of the article is not significant, > > instead of deletion if article's subject is not significant? Because > > the first thing could be improved, it is a content issue? > > > > Anyway, what is the process to improve this process? Or should we just > > leave it be and everything is great? > > > > > > Mitar > > > > -- > > http://mitar.tnode.com/ > > https://twitter.com/mitar_m > > > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community Tech survey on watchlist use
talk-page stalker is not necessarily an unfriendly term. It's meant as an explanation for why the person saw the question, and posted there. But perhaps we could find a better term for this, as stalker does have unfortunate connotations. On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Trillium Corsage wrote: > My English Wikipedia talkpage is watchlisted by a surprising number of > users that I have no cooperative or friendly editing relationship with. > Some of them refer to themselves as "talkpage stalkers." Might it be > possible for a user to prohibit such persons from watchlisting him or her? > If it's not possible to selectively prohibit, how about an on/off switch, > i.e. *no-one* may watchlist an editor's individual talkpage. > > Trillium Corsage > > 21.05.2016, 02:20, "Johan Jönsson" : > > On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 1:06 AM, Danny Horn wrote: > >> Hi everyone, > >> > >> WMF's Community Tech team is starting to work on a Cross-wiki > watchlist, > >> one of the top 10 wishes in the Community Wishlist Survey that we > conducted > >> at the end of last year. [1] > >> > >> We're running a survey on how people use their watchlists, to help > inform > >> our work. > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > A couple of months ago, the Community Tech team ran a survey to gather > > information on how Wikimedians use their watchlists. You can see the > > results here: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Tech/Cross-wiki_watchlist#Survey_results > > > > If you're interested, there are also some very early and rough > > wireframes available on the project page: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Tech/Cross-wiki_watchlist#Current_work.2C_for_discussion > > > > //Johan Jönsson > > -- > > > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization
Involving the foundation as a broker would corrupt the Foundation altogether. It would in essence turn it into an advertising agency. We're supposed to be different from Google. Google earns money by letting itself be used as a medium for advertising. It at least hopes to achieve this by while not being evil, and succeeds reasonably well at the compromise. Wikipedia fortunately does not need to earn money, as ordinary people freely give us more than enough for our needs, and can therefore hope to achieve the positive good of providing objective information on encyclopedic topics that people want to read about, not information that other organizations want people to read. We have no need to compromise. On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 11:15 PM, SarahSV wrote: > On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter > wrote: > > - Possibly POV will be compromised in paid articles. > > - Unhealthy situation within the editing community. In the debates with > > WMF staff when we disagreed, I always felt awkward, because they were > paid > > arguing with me, and would do it until they convince me or I give up, > and I > > was doing this in my free time, and got tired very quickly. I also had > very > > unpleasant experiences interacting with some chapter people whose only > goal > > was to keep their position. They did not care about the quality, > > efficiency, anything, only about their personal good. And if somebody > > defends their personal good, you know, thy usually win, and the quality > > loses. Now, imagine there is a content dispute between a user who is paid > > (and is afraid to lose the salary) and a user who is unpaid and have to > do > > the same for free - I am sure a paid user will be way more persistent. > > > > > > Yaroslav, we already have a lot of paid editors on the English > Wikipedia. > Some are Wikimedians in residence, and this has always been regarded as > okay, though I believe they're expected not to edit articles about the > institution that employs them. > > But we also have a lot of paid PR editing and obvious COI problems because > of that, as well as the problems you highlight (e.g. the paid editor being > more persistent). > > Introducing the Foundation as a broker between organizations that want > articles and editors who want to write them would not solve all the > problems you highlight, but it would remove the COI aspect. So my thinking > was that it would be better than the current situation. > > Sarah > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania
Agreeing with Rich: We actually have funds available for one international meting a year, plus one in each region, and to give scholarships covering the full cost to every committed WPedian who asks for them. ( On the whole I think most people would, from any region, thou some might not ask for anything beyond international transportation) . It would be different if we were barely making ends meet. But tha last few years has shown that we have been obtaining each year more money than we can usefully spend, and even if we were to devote half the surplus into an endowment, there is still many millions remaining. The one thing we should not do with it is expand the WMF paid staff. (The only other practical use for the money is to expand access to paid resources) On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Richard Farmbrough < rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote: > It's all very well to assume that certain demographics are wealthy. But it > is simply a stereotype. Wikipedians I know personally from the "privileged" > demographics vary from those who are well off through to those who are > saddled with substantial debt and zero income. > > But really the question is, given the funds available, and the benefits > that accrue, why there should be such a limited WMF spend on Wikimania > (and/or other gatherings). It is one of the few discretionary spends that > we know from stories like Doc James' has a huge impact. > > On 10/02/2016 16:27, Béria Lima wrote: > >> And I for one agree with the new policy. The effort made by a European >> (or American, or Canadian) to travel to a Wikimania, is something like one >> month of salary. For a woman from the same place will probably be 2 months >> (pay gap at its finest!) and for a Latino, African, or Asiatic the effort >> starts at 6 months and go on to even a decade*[4]* (A full decade of your >> salary to go to Wikimania). >> > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transition plans for WMF leadership - Board Reform
the movement is always going to be broader and more diverse both in backgrounds and interests than any possible board; the foundationis ls going to have more diverse concerns than the roles of almost any of us in the movement. I do not se the fundamental goal of the movement is to create an encyclopedia . Nor is it even to create free intellectual resources. Rather, the movement is to create a model of free human interaction and work, and the initial way of exemplifying this is in the various versions of the encyclopedia . (It's also to create the free Wikimedia software, but the cooperative creation of free software existed long before our movement-- the encyclopedia was innovative, at least in execution and possibly even in concept--Wikimedia was not. If we really believe in a model of free cooperative expression of the manifestations of human intellectual work and creativity, then this is fundamentally and radically in conflict with such formal organization as boards of directors or hierarchical organization patterns and employer-employee relationships. To the extent we need it, it is only to serve some limited purposes necessary in the economic and legal world as it is. Unfortunately, I think human history shows that structures intended to have such limited supporting purposes do not easily remain in this limited role--those who prefer to participate in them rather than participate in the volunteer non-organized side of the movement inevitably will find themselves trying to dominate, even if their personal ideologies are opposed to such domination. There is no defense against this except the real strength of a volunteer movement--the ability to walk away and take our volunteer resources with them; the true merit of CC and similar is the ability to actually make this possible within the legal structure. That does not mean thatI advocate actually doing it, but we must maintain and remember the potential. On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 9:49 PM, George Herbert wrote: > > In an organization where the purpose and Bylaws explicitly (Article II) > call for it to be supporting the movement, the Board should be balancing > that aspect anyways. > > Yes, the Board cares for the Foundation, but the Foundation cares for the > Movement, and if it stops doing that it's off chartered purpose and the > Board needs to intervene. > > > George William Herbert > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 24, 2016, at 5:47 PM, SarahSV wrote: > > > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Denny Vrandecic < > dvrande...@wikimedia.org> > > wrote: > > > >> To make a few things about the Board of Trustees clear - things that > will > >> be true now matter how much you reorganize it: > >> > >> - the Board members have duties of care and loyalty to the Foundation - > not > >> to the movement. > >> > >> Hi Denny, > > > > Blue Avocado, the non-profit magazine, offers a somewhat different view. > > They have published a board-member "contract" to give non-profit > directors > > an idea of what's expected of them. It includes: > > > > > > > > "... > > I will interpret our constituencies' needs and values to the > organization, > > speak out for their interests, and on their behalf, hold the organization > > accountable. > > " [1] > > > > Sarah > > > > [1] http://www.blueavocado.org/content/board-member-contract > > > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Elsevier?
t; > > No, WMF shouldn't morally support Elsevier by having any relation > > with > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > Milos > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > ___ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ethics of launching Wikidata, vs. ethics of WMF plans for Wikidata
People keep mentioning VIAF in the context. VIAF is a federated service, using the content of its various repositories--and is therefore no more accurate than they are. For example, a major component in VIAF is the Library of Congress Authority File. That file has always used author or publisher statements as the evidence for birth dates without further verification; in recent years, it has been also using information from WP articles. (I suppose that's an improvement--we at least occasionally look beyond what the person says about himself.) On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 7:38 AM, Liam Wyatt wrote: > On 26 January 2016 at 11:24, Magnus Manske > wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 7:33 AM Pete Forsyth > > wrote: > > > > > (Note: I'm creating a new thread which references several old ones; in > > the > > > most recent, "Profile of Magnus Manske," the conversation has drifted > > back > > > to Wikidata, so that subject line is no longer applicable.) > > > > > > Andreas Kolbe has argued in multiple threads that Wikidata is > > fundamentally > > > problematic, on the basis that it does not require citations. (Please > > > correct me if I am mistaken about this core premise.) > > > > > > Every statement on Wikidata /should/ be referenced, unless the statement > > itself points to a reference (e.g. VIAF, images). However, at the moment, > > this is not a requirement, as Wikidata is still in a steep growth phase. > > Over the last few years, many statements were added by bots, which can > > process e.g. Wikipedia, but would be hard pressed to find the original > > reference for a statement. > > > To extend Magnus' point... > This is also the case on Wikipedia. Every Wikipedia sentence /should/ be > verified to a reliable source, and those without footnotes can be removed. > But, it is not a /requirement/ that every statement be verified. In short - > 'verifiable not verified' is the minimum standard for inclusion of a > sentence in Wikipedia. The ratio of footnotes-to-sentences in Wikipedia > articles is on average probably much lower than the ratio of > references-to-statements in Wikidata. It's just that we have more easily > available /quantitative/ statistics for Wikidata that we do for Wikipedia, > which makes it easy for Wikidata-critics to point to the number of > un-referenced statements in Wikidata as a simple measure of quality, even > though many of them DO meet the "verifiable, even if not yet verified" > minimum standard that we accept for "stubs" on Wikipedia. > > For example: even in a Feature Article Wikipedia biography, I've never seen > a footnote /specifically/ for the fact that the subject is "a human". That > reference is implied by other footnotes - citing for the birthdate, or > occupation for example. By comparison, in Wikidata, some people seem to be > a feeling that statements like "instance of -> human", "gender-> male" need > to be given a specific reference before they can be considered reliable. > This is even when there are other statements in the same Wikidata item that > reference biography-authority control numbers (e.g. VIAF). > > Yes, ideally, every statement could be given a reference in Wikidata, but > ideally so should every sentence in Wikipedia. In reality we do accept > "stub" Wikipedia articles that have 5 sentences and 1 Reliable Source > footnote. Furthermore, we also do also have Wikidata properties that are, > in effect, "self verifying": like the "VIAF identifier" property - which > links to that authority control database, or the "image" property - which > links directly to a file on Commons. So, simply counting the number of > statements vs. the number of references in those statements on Wikidata and > concluding that Wikidata is therefore inherently unreliable is both > simplistic and quite misleading. > > -Liam > > wittylama.com > Peace, love & metadata > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania
Rather, we should spend more, possibly several times as much. We need much wider participation, both for Wikimania and for regional conferences, and the only practical way to achieve that is to pay full expenses for all regular participants who want to attend. It should not be an elite event. The WMF is running a considerable surplus, and we should spend 5 or 10 % of it on interpersonal live access to each other. On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 6:02 PM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 2:28 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel > wrote: > > If we want to talk about the cost of Wikimania it will be great if the > WMF > > and the local team will share the costs. > > > > Until now Wikimania London didn't published anything: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2014/Budget > > > > And also Mexico: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2015/Budget > > > > Maybe I missed something, but it's strange that such discussion takes > place > > without a real budget breakdown. To summarize 2 huge event to "1$ million > > USD" does not make sense. > > I agree. Without public data, how can there be an informed public > consultation. > > I've asked for similar data at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:IdeaLab/Towards_a_New_Wikimania#Analysis_on_repeat_funded_attendees > > -- > John Vandenberg > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why take grants? (was: Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?)
ut > the > > > ways that external partners are benefiting from their relationship with > > the > > > wikimedia movement and the wikimedia movement is benefiting from > > > relationships with external partners. > > > > > > This needs to be a joint dialogue between WMF and the affiliated > > > organizations including User Groups. I hope that people will join the > WMF > > > strategic planning discussions and include their thoughts about > > developing > > > external resources that can benefit the wikimedia movement. Also, this > > is a > > > topic for Wikimedia Conference in Berlin. > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > Sydney Poore > > > User:FloNight > > > Wikipedia in Residence > > > at Cochrane > > > WikiWomen's User Group > > > Wiki Project Med Foundation User Group > > > ___ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske
sualEditor is then immediately dumped to the bottom of > the drawer when it comes to Wikidata. First we'll make it easy for them to > edit. Then we'll include a whole pile of data that they can't edit -or at > least can't edit on the website they logged into. They're pretty opposite > ideas, but of course that's considered luddite thinking. > > Risker/Anne > > > On 18 January 2016 at 08:34, Andrew Lih wrote: > > > There’s an excellent profile of Magnus Manske in the Wikimedia blog > today. > > It’s hard to think of people more important to the movement than Magnus > has > > been since 2001. > > > > Selected quotes: "...we have gone from slowdown to standstill; the > > interface has changed little in the last ten years or so, and all the > > recent changes have been fought teeth-and-claw by the communities, > > especially the larger language editions. From the Media Viewer, the > Visual > > Editor, to Wikidata transclusion, all have been resisted by vocal groups > of > > editors, not because they are a problem, but because they represent > > change... all websites, including Wikipedia must obey the Red Queen > > hypothesis: you have to run just to stand still. This does not only > affect > > Wikipedia itself, but the entire Wikimedia ecosystem... if we wall our > > garden against change, against new users, new technologies our work of 15 > > years is in danger of fading away... we are in an ideal position to try > new > > things. We have nothing to lose, except a little time.” > > > > Link: > > > > > https://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/01/18/fifteen-years-wikipedia-magnus-manske/ > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Monetizing Wikimedia APIs
th relying on dumps is that downloading them is often > slow, and there are rate limits[1]. If Google or other some other large > entity wanted to donate some hosting space and bandwidth by re-hosting > our dumps, I think that would be a win-win situation all around - they > get their dumps and can directly rsync from us, as well as taking > pressure off of our infrastructure and letting other people access our > content more easily. > > [1] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114019#1892529 > > -- Legoktm > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advisory Board and Board-appointed seats (was: Beyond the Board)
My experience with advisory boards is that they tend not be taken
seriously: if they do anything independently they are ignored. They are a
good forum for venting grievances, but we seem to have no lack of such.
But I at least am not particular interested in a large infrastructure of
meeting in groups to either ratify decisions taken by other, or express
wishes that will never be accomplished.
Rather, we need working groups or committees with authority in a
decentralized manner.
On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Milos Rancic wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak
> wrote:
> > I've been also thinking about revitalizing our Advisory Board - the way I
> > would like to see it would be dividing it into (a) community (b) tech and
> > (c) academic subgroups, available for immediate consulting and feedback.
>
> Long time ago I suggested more structured way to use Advisory Board.
> So, here is the draft of the idea again.
>
> I don't think you need too specific "Community Advisory Board", as you
> could reach, for example, AffCom, LangCom, stewards, en.wp ArbCom etc.
> -- or, if you really need too general advice and there is no assembly
> yet, all of them -- if you need a specific advice. Basically, you have
> much better granulated "Community Advisory Board", although the Board
> is not using it usually.
>
> You definitely need a kind of "Governing Advisory Board", which would
> be consisted of the former Board members and people with very good
> knowledge of governing and other ways of social organization (NPOs,
> business, movements...).
>
> But, on top of that you could structure your needs. You could start it
> by imagining any expertise you collectively lack (I could give you one
> clear example immediately: relations with formal diplomacy) and start
> thinking how to find appropriate people for that group.
>
> Then, you could create an "Innovation Advisory Board", put there all
> Jimmy's technolibertarian ubercapitalist friends and ask them about
> their ideas. I am sure they could be very useful in such body. They
> could also find useful to participate in such body for Wikim/pedia
> cause.
>
> And so on. Any of such advisory boards be even more useful if you
> could find them not just an advisory role, but a committe-like
> ("Diversity Committee", with strong advisory role in relation to the
> social diversification of Wikimedia bodies, for example -- "strong
> advisory role" = people don't do something against their
> recommendation without very strong reason) or even more active role
> inside of the movement ("Technology Innovation Committee", with the
> role to plan long-term technological innovation).
>
> If you have a couple of active advisory boards, you could recruit new
> Board members from them, with the specific purpose, based on the
> Strategic Plan or other organizational needs. That could give us
>
> After their mandate as Board members, they would still stay inside of
> hopefully active Wikimedia bodies and we won't lose their experience.
> Actually, if they don't have enough time to fully participate as Board
> members and you still have the same focus, you could always replace
> them with a fellow Advisory Board members.
>
> Said so, this is not that straight-forward task and requires active
> work per advisory board you create. There should be a need, a
> structure and a way how to engage them. Find a person per advisory
> board who is willing to lead such body and delegate the creation and
> communication of that body to her or him. (That could be Board member,
> somebody from the movement or an employee.)
>
> I also don't think it's in collision with the assembly. Those should
> be Wikimedia bodies and any Wikimedia body should be able to ask them
> for advice. They could be helpful bodies to the future assembly, as
> well.
>
> While I wrote the last paragraph, I realized that we badly need one of
> those bodies: Legal Advisory Board: the body which could be asked by
> any Wikimedia organization or Wikimedian in relation to any legal
> issue they are struggling with.
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Beyond the Board (was: WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google)
Whatever I may think of some of the recent actions of the board,
I think its present role goes well beyond
" bring stability and assure that
the daily business is done: keep the platform online, deal with legal
cases and keep a positive financial balance. "
The key roles are to ensure the quality of WP, and
" to lead 'in a political manner' " the open information movement.
First, it it does have the power to deal with a situation where"Let's
say, a specific Wikipedia would be in trouble - maybe there are reports
that it was taken over by a small group of POV-pushers. "
It has control of the trademark, and the ability to prevent any particular
WP from using it. It cannot prevent any aberrant group from using our
material while calling itself something else, but it can prevent it calling
itself Wikipedia.
True, this may not be effective in some cases as it used to be, before some
of the individual language chapters had developed organizational and
financial resources of their own, to the extent that some of them could
well persist as the major free encyclopedia in their language communities
even without the WP name
Second, when dealing with the ongoing threats to free information, the WMF
can and does effectively speak for all those interested as perhaps the best
known and the strongest voice. This is not something to be regarded
lightly. It can organize the greatest general public indignation that any
one organization can, and it can coordinate and act asa center for the work
of others. Much as all languages in the world need a good free
encyclopedia, all the people in the world need this freedom even more.
On the other hand, it is not needed financially--many other groups in the
movement can successfully raise sufficient money to keep the whole
operation going, if not to maintain the present number of programers
working on ancillary projects
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Dariusz Jemielniak
wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Am I the only one who would rather see an independent body represent the
> > communities than one subordinate to the Board?
>
>
> My concern is that in the long run such a body may lead to excluding
> community representation from the Board ("since we have a community body
> already..."). Also, I think that we're lacking a senate, not a government
> per se.
>
> dj
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Wikipedia rocked by 'rogue editors' blackmail scam targeting small businesses and celebrities"
terizations of the articles. > > > > I heard a murmur that Orangemoody would actually request deletion of its > own articles if the subject failed to agree to the monthly fee, but Risker > said this vaguely as if there were only a couple or few examples of this. > > > > As well, though the IP addresses have not been disclosed, one of the > accused Orangemoody accounts belongs to a Bangladeshi editor of three or > more years. Raising the question of whether geolocation to Bangladesh and > other nearby poor countries was a clue to the investigators to connect the > Orangemoody accounts. Which on confirmation would raise the further > question of whether the entire case was almost exclusively comparatively > well-off westerners destroying the business and livelihood of impoverished > Bangladeshis and other easterners just trying to put food on the table for > their kids. > > > > Trillium Corsage > > > > 02.09.2015, 21:53, "Matt Campbell" : > >> Glad to hear it. > > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] Of Education-coop cabal: what's it, who's it, how one joins it, why is it like that?
ith closed lists, teams and stuff in general as there are > things > > which should not be discussed in public or it could because it's easier > to > > make a tiny group of people do something instead of crying out to a lazy > > unorganised crowd. But just make it clear how can one (apply to) join or > > e.g. just join as a observer/non-voting commentator/whatever. > > > > Footnotes: > > [1] afair the page on outreachwiki was about some older formation under > > the name. it's probably fixed since that time) Education Collaborative > > [2] was it already 2 years ago? time sure runs fast > > [3] which means that it's not like I can e.g. go organise a WEP thing > > offline — the most I can do in real actions is helping a WEP person. > That's > > if actions are about WEP and not about something general which any > > wikimedian can do. > > > > Yours sincerely, > > Base > > > > ___ > > Education mailing list > > educat...@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > > > > > > -- > Samir Elsharbaty, > Communications Intern, Wikipedia Education Program > Wikimedia Foundation > +2.011.200.696.77 > selsharb...@wikimedia.org > education.wikimedia.org > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF<->community disputes about deployments
been > > able to find it yet, but I'm still looking. > > > > Pete > > [[User:Peteforsyth]] > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Endless drama around solutions to non-problems as misdirection
gt; since 2007? > > > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] editor retention initiatives
Trying to radically change the NFCC guidelines, however desirable, is not something which is likely to succeed. Trying to somewhat simply image procedures might; I hope it could, because I no longer even attempt to work with images. Though this is in large part my own conceptually preference for text, I'm not the only one with that problem. On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Richard Farmbrough < rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote: > I have coincidentally raised the question of fair-use images for living > people at the Gender Gap Taskforce talk page. Perhaps this is something we > shoudl take to the policy talk page? > > > On 26 August 2014 14:24, Tim Davenport wrote: > > > David Goodman has this exactly right — new volunteers (as opposed to > casual > > contributors) aren't made with templates of cookies or beer, they are > > generally made one at a time, with personal attention and personal > > assistance. Teahouse is one of the best ideas of the last five years, > being > > a place where newcomers can go to ask specific questions. Mentoring > > programs is another very correct step. > > > > I'm currently working with a buddy who is getting into it. Wiki markup > gunk > > isn't a big problem for him; he's about 40 years old and has been around > > html enough that it doesn't put him off. Footnoting he initially found > > difficult, but I taught him how to do it long form rather than using > layout > > clogging templates, so that might have added an hour or two to the > learning > > curve. Still: not that difficult and he already has the knack of it — and > > once you learn that, it's all very simple. > > > > I'm going to write him a couple thousand word email on linking today. > > That's all pretty self-evident. > > > > We had lunch yesterday and I explained to him the way that some topics > > which interest him (alternative medicine) are going to be battleground > > areas in which he really must be a master of NPOV; while other interests, > > relating to popular culture and sports, are less intense, with rawer and > > worse articles standing that need Tender Loving Care. > > > > He's enthusiastic about WP, and there is absolutely no substitute for > that. > > That is the thing that is missing in college students doing class > projects. > > My experience thus far with them is that they dive in at the 11th hour, > do > > minimally decent work necessary to complete the assignment, ask zero > > questions, and then vanish. > > > > Serious, longterm editors are made one at a time, I think. It starts with > > personal attention. It requires someone to explain editing techniques and > > (just as importantly) WP culture and policies and tour-guiding them > through > > all the policy pages and various backstage aspects of WP. > > > > It also involves something we have totally ignored so far: making sure > they > > have something to do: assigning projects."You like this band? Dig up more > > sources, flesh it out. Oh, your grandpa was a pro athlete and already > has a > > page? Dig up some news stories on his career... Write about his > > teammates... Hey, this article on the NFL championship game he played in > is > > pretty terrible, why not see if you can make it better? > > > > Another unspoken problem is photo rights, which is (1) confusing to start > > with; (2) subject to one of the worst decisions ever, the choice to use > > free files rather than to make use of American fair use legal doctrine; > (3) > > populated by anal retentive volunteers who delete first and ask questions > > never, engage only with templates, work too fast, and who in many cases I > > suspect take malicious joy in their work. I know that that was the aspect > > of WP that alienated me the worst as a newcomer. It still does. > > > > So, WMF sorts: remember that this is a slow process and that there are no > > magical software solutions. Creating new Very Active Editors takes > > motivated candidates and volunteers willing to take newcomers under their > > wings. > > > > Tim Davenport > > Corvallis, OR > > "Carrite" on WP /// "Randy from Boise" on WPO > > > > > > DAVID GOOMAN WROTE: > > >>Perhaps the best way of doing this is the admittedly laborious method > > of personally communicating with new editors who seem promising > > and encouraging them and offering to help them continue. The key word in > > this is "personally". It cannot be effectively done with wikilove > > messages, and c
Re: [Wikimedia-l] editor retention initiatives
rsonal message from > >> someone to thank me for correcting a typo ( > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk: > >> Lankiveil&diff=5647166&oldid=5629943 > >> ). > >> It made me feel like this was a community of nice people that I wanted > >> to > >> collaborate on things with, and was probably instrumental in me sticking > >> around. > >> > >> The editor retention problem will not be solved with technological > gizmos > >> and doodads, nor with top-down solutions imposed from above. It will be > >> solved with positive human contact and creating a collaborative > community > >> that people actually want to be a part of, rather than one that they put > >> up > >> with. Template welcomes and messages that have all the warmth of a form > >> letter enclosed in a utility bill won't make a lasting improvement in > the > >> long run. The intention behind things like the "thank" button are > great, > >> but they should be seen as at most an enabler, rather than as the actual > >> solution to our problems. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Craig > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On 26 August 2014 10:09, David Goodman wrote: > >> > >> Perhaps the best way of doing this is the admittedly laborious method > of > >>> personally communicating with new editors who seem promising and > >>> encouraging them and offering to help them continue. The key word in > this > >>> is "personally". It cannot be effectively done with wikilove messages > , > >>> and certainly not with anything that looks like a template. Template > >>> welcomes are essentially in the same class as mail or web > >>> "personalized"advertisements. What works is to show that you actually > >>> read > >>> and appreciated what they are doing, to the extent you wanted to write > >>> something specific. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Ilario Valdelli > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Wikimedia ch is doing a big investment in supporting communities. > >>>> > >>>> There are three community liaisons (a third hired recently) to support > >>>> > >>> the > >>> > >>>> three national languages which are also within the biggest linguistic > >>>> communities. > >>>> > >>>> Anyway there is not a unique solution to be adapted easily in user > >>>> retention and recruiting because the world is varioius as it is the > >>>> life. > >>>> > >>>> Regards > >>>> Il 24/ago/2014 03:56 "James Salsman" ha scritto: > >>>> > >>>> Is there a list somewhere of all currently active Foundation > >>>>> initiatives for attracting and retaining active editors? I am only > >>>>> aware of the one project, "Task Recommendations," to try to encourage > >>>>> editors who have made a few edits to make more, described starting at > >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JbZ1uWoKEg&t=60m20s > >>>>> > >>>>> I am not worried about pageviews at all, given that the trend is as > >>>>> constant as it has ever been when mobile users are added in to the > >>>>> total. Sadly, the greater number of mobile users appears to be > harming > >>>>> active editor numbers beyond their already dismal trend, so it would > >>>>> be nice to have an idea of exactly how much effort the Foundation is > >>>>> applying to its only strategic goal which it is not achieved, and has > >>>>> not ever achieved. I am amazed that so much more effort continues to > >>>>> be applied to the other goals, all of which have always been met > >>>>> through to the present. What does this state of affairs say about the > >>>>> Foundation leadership's ability to prioritize? > >>>>> > >>>>> Is there any evidence at all that anyone in the Foundation is > >>>>> interested in any kind of change which would make non-editors more > >>>>> inclined to edit, or empower editors with social factors which might > >>>>> provide more time, economic power, or other means to enable them to > &
Re: [Wikimedia-l] editor retention initiatives
Perhaps the best way of doing this is the admittedly laborious method of personally communicating with new editors who seem promising and encouraging them and offering to help them continue. The key word in this is "personally". It cannot be effectively done with wikilove messages , and certainly not with anything that looks like a template. Template welcomes are essentially in the same class as mail or web "personalized"advertisements. What works is to show that you actually read and appreciated what they are doing, to the extent you wanted to write something specific. On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Ilario Valdelli wrote: > Wikimedia ch is doing a big investment in supporting communities. > > There are three community liaisons (a third hired recently) to support the > three national languages which are also within the biggest linguistic > communities. > > Anyway there is not a unique solution to be adapted easily in user > retention and recruiting because the world is varioius as it is the life. > > Regards > Il 24/ago/2014 03:56 "James Salsman" ha scritto: > > > Is there a list somewhere of all currently active Foundation > > initiatives for attracting and retaining active editors? I am only > > aware of the one project, "Task Recommendations," to try to encourage > > editors who have made a few edits to make more, described starting at > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JbZ1uWoKEg&t=60m20s > > > > I am not worried about pageviews at all, given that the trend is as > > constant as it has ever been when mobile users are added in to the > > total. Sadly, the greater number of mobile users appears to be harming > > active editor numbers beyond their already dismal trend, so it would > > be nice to have an idea of exactly how much effort the Foundation is > > applying to its only strategic goal which it is not achieved, and has > > not ever achieved. I am amazed that so much more effort continues to > > be applied to the other goals, all of which have always been met > > through to the present. What does this state of affairs say about the > > Foundation leadership's ability to prioritize? > > > > Is there any evidence at all that anyone in the Foundation is > > interested in any kind of change which would make non-editors more > > inclined to edit, or empower editors with social factors which might > > provide more time, economic power, or other means to enable them to > > edit more? > > > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] First _draft_ goals for WMF engineering/product
I'm delighted to see a document that is clear enough to encourage useful comments from non-techies (on some parts of it) I have 5, at increasing levels of specificity 1) At least in the US, the need for increasing contributions by underrepresented groups is not limited to women. Various ethnic groups in the US are even more under=represented. But I'm not sure how much of this is solvable by technology, either for them or for women. 2) The user retention goals are not the province of engineering alone, or even for the most part. Attracting initial contributors will indeed be greatly helped by Visual editor, but the enWP people will need considerable convincing about both features and interaction with the current editor and current procedures before doing what most needs to be done, making it the default for non-loggged in users. The other aspects are primarily that of improving the social environment and on-wiki processes at the individual WPs & Commons, and more effective work by the various chapters and associated projects. Flow will be of some help here, but it isn't the critical factor. I d I think the decline not only may be irreversible but ought to be expected to be irreversible: WP is no longer the most exciting thing in the world to the extent that it can have the same attractive power as in the first few years. 3)I have never understood the need for Flow- I find the existing talk page systems quite functional. But since many others don't find the current system satisfactory. the one place Flow should not be trialed on the enWP is the Teahouse, which has its own distinctive system. It should rather be trialed on places where there is long and particularly intricate discussions and were beginners are not likely to be confused. 4) The most intractable conflicts at enWP arise from the need to apply brief descriptive phrases or words to situations that ae inherently ambiguous. A system for category searching by intersection would eliminate about half the problems. 5) Perhaps this should be put off till the following year, but a system for constructing articles from infoboxes populated by wikidata would essentially give a fill in the blanks interface for constructing many types of articles. This would help beginners, and people writing in other than their native languages., On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 3:55 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Erik Moeller, 27/06/2014 03:55: > > As an update on the goals process for WMF engineering, we've begun >> fleshing out out the top priorities for the first quarter. >> > > This has already been an interesting and useful exercise, I feel. Those > are indeed goals which need help from everyone who can. Which brings me to: > > [...] >> >> - The content API that Gabriel is working on ( >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Content_API ) is >> called out as a top priority. This is because the Parsoid output (for >> which the content API will be a high performance front-end) is now >> getting to the point where it's starting to become plausible to >> increasingly use it not just for VisualEditor, but also for views as >> well. >> > > This is something I encourage everyone on this list to play with. I spent > a couple days on Parsoid's output for it.wiki and it's been fun, finding > many things to report: while reasonable pages are rarely very broken, on a > random page there is some 50 % chance of finding some visual glitch. > > My favourite toy to this purpose is Kiwix: > * download a recent file for your favourite wiki at > http://download.kiwix.org/zim/wikipedia/ , > * download Kiwix to open it http://download.kiwix.org/nightly/bin/latest/ > , > * start pressing "random page" and report surprises e.g. to > https://sourceforge.net/p/kiwix/bugs/ > > Nemo > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding
.wikimedia.org/wiki/Programs:Evaluation_portal/Library/Editing_workshops > > > Even if Timothy has been highly disruptive rather than just apparently > > very inefficient (which he wasn't), > > promotional paid editing, inserting pro-U.S. POV and > copyvio/plagiarism into English Wikipedia may not be 'highly > disruptive', especially as there were so few edits involved, but it is > far from 'just apparently very inefficient'. > > > or if it has been donors' money that > > had been spent (which it wasn't), > > It is appropriate to distinguish between general public unrestricted > donations vs 'the donor of the restricted money telling WMF what to do > with it', however focusing on what was 'spent' is not appropriate. > There are direct costs which may be larger than the granted amount; > there are indirect costs, and there are opportunity costs. From what > I have seen, I think it is fair to conclude that general public > unrestricted donations will suffer from this broadly speaking. > > There may be quite a bit of direct costs that arnt covered by the > Stanton grant per se, including selection process, onboarding, > reviewing their work, and now handling the fallout of a failed project > (e.g. Erik's time and I presume Jay is also working overtime). The > Stanton grant quite probably included an amount for normal overheads > related to the position (selection, onboarding, monitoring), but those > costs could have blown out and/or the WMF decided to absorb the costs > given the size of the restricted grant for program activity. > > However it is the indirect costs which will hurt. > > As the WMF considers spending donor money on clamping down on paid > editing to be money well spent, a whole lot more of that donor money > needs to be spent achieving that goal when month after month there are > revelations of the WMF staff (which Timothy Sandole was, roughly > speaking) engaging in this type of editing, or the initial investment > of donor dollars has been wasted if the concept of WMF policing paid > editing needs to be abandoned as it has lost the high ground. > > There is reputational damage to the WiR concept, WMF, and Wikimedia > generally, which will be felt across the movement. While the WMF may > not be going to run this type of program again, affiliates do run > these types of programs. Affiliate staff and volunteer time will be > spent rebuilding the WiR brand. IMO it is also a shame that this will > mean more resistance to content rather than community-focused WiR. I > know many people feel very strongly that a WiR should act as an > enabler for the community rather than fill the gaps themselves, but in > practise a lot of WiR end up writing content to some degree, and I > think there are scenarios when a WiR should be more of a contributor > rather than collaborator, especially in topical areas that are > under-represented in major languages and in wikis in their early > stages needing a major content boost rather than a minor, and maybe > shortlived, boost to the number of contributors that a WiR might be > able to achieve. But the community, GAC and FDC will be more shy of > content-heavy WiR type programs since Belfer. > > Then there is the potential for this to cause Stanton to stop giving > grants to WMF, which means donor money needs to fill the void or > programs need to be cut (and staff may need to be laid off.) > > I cant even guess the opportunity costs, except that these types of > 'special interest' projects can be headaches for pushing through large > structural changes like Sue's "Narrowing the focus" which was launched > in October 2012. > > > or if you had /actually/ been > > appointed to speak for "the number one stakeholder in our projects" > > (which you haven't); > > Eh? No appointments necessary. > > > it wouldn't justify your continuing harangue when > > you have been clearly told that no further substantive information would > > come until Sue returns next week. > > Who said that there would be no further substantive information until > Sue returns? > > > You've made your point and raised the issue, and now the information for > > informed judgment is being published. How about you let the /rest/ of > > the community examine it and reach its own conclusions? Because, right > > now, you seem more interested in stoking the fires of your vendetta by > > harping on what you /want/ that conclusion to be than any actual > > interest in figuring out what happened and how to prevent it from > > happening again if it was a problem. > > Which vendetta are you referring to? > > Russavia was asking for more information, presumably in order to > figure out what happened. > > -- > John Vandenberg > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [feature suggestion] Be able to include/exclude certain page fragments based on the geographic area
It was intended not just to challenge the US government, but to be an example for elsewhere,and it has been that. On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 2:40 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Seb35 wrote: > > > Le lundi 10 mars 2014 21:03:20 (CET), Yuri a écrit : > > > > On 03/10/2014 11:30, Seb35 wrote: > >> > >>> Another point of view is that the knowledge doesn't (shouldn't) depend > >>> in any way of the local government -- possibly it can be viewed > differently > >>> from a culture to another but that's a cultural question not related to > >>> censorship. > >> > >> > > > > > > > I understand your intention with this system, but I find it's not a good > > response to the problem; I find a better response is to encourage and > help > > the free speech associations, like what was done during SOPA/PIPA. > > > I absolutely agree with your sentiment, as I'm sure most do, but I'm > willing to challenge the English Wikipedia SOPA/PIPA blackout as a good > example. The community took its content hostage (IMO :) ) in order to prove > a point to the US Congress, despite the English Wikipedia serving the > world. We've had two years to learn since SOPA/PIPA with other communities. > I spoke about it at Wikimania 2012 in a panel discussion and I still don't > think that reaction was appropriate. > > Knowledge is, as you said, not dependent on government. I don't think the > WMF (spoken as a volunteer) or Wikimedians should support community > responses to censorship with censorship ourselves. We've had two years to > learn since SOPA/PIPA with other communities. Sorry, Yuri, I understand > it's best intentions, but education is the magic bullet. > > -- > ~Keegan > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan > _______ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid editing v. paid advocacy (editing)
I've looked at a great deal of detectable paid editing on the english WP.
Only about 10% of it is of acceptable quality, with respect to both
notability
of subject and quality of contents. On similar topics, the quality of
volunteer editing is considerably better--at least 30% is acceptable.
(about half the enWP submissions have always been rejected at one stage or
another, even with our relatively very undemanding standards).
Like Andrew, I consider the work on non-profits, especially universities,
to be even worse than the work on commercial businesses, both for paid and
unpaid edits--this is partly enthusiastic alumni, but also the very low
quality of most organizational PR departments)
Unpaid advocacy is a much more difficult problem, because its much harder
to sort out from honest attempts at NPOV. I see no solution to that one
without our general framework.
On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 2:15 PM, MZMcBride wrote:
> Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> >I want to open up the discussion even wider. The way things are stated is
> >that paid editing is not acceptable.
>
>
> I'm not sure what you mean.
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Paid_editing is still a very rough draft,
> but the first sentence is currently:
>
> ---
> Paid editing is fairly common on Wikimedia wikis. It takes various forms,
> with a few being widely accepted and a few being incredibly controversial.
> ---
>
> I would like Wikimedia to be explicit about what is and is not acceptable
> for editors. If Wikidata takes a different approach, we should document
> that as well. But the goal isn't to pr[oe]scribe, it's to describe.
>
> Some of the posts from this mailing list may be very helpful in expanding
> that page. I'm sure there are many other past discussions from the various
> wikis and mailing lists we can incorporate as well. Be bold. :-) If it's
> just the page title you'd like to change, I agree that the current page
> title ("Paid editing") is not great. The "Conflict of interest editing"
> page has some related content, but that title also didn't feel right to me.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself
portant since there > > role is only to act within the Wikis (not in the society), perhaps one > > shouldn't choose Russia though. > > > > I really think that it also has a psychological role not to be anonymous. > > The method of mobbers and extreme political movements is to dehumanize > > it's opponents. They put a label on their enemies to make them not human. > > I think being anonymous works in the same direction. It deprives you of > > your identity and thus makes you easier to attack. > > > > Regards, > > Lars Gardenius > > Indeed; however, a number of other strategies are also used to dominate. > > Fred > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)
right; wrong thread. But yes,beta is good,as with the virtual editor. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 10:56 AM, David Goodman wrote: > > Basically, you (in the plural) thought you could do better than the > > consensus, and therefore simply without rejecting it , did not implement > it > > while you tried other things first. All these trials would have been > > good, ''had they been done before implementation.'' I am waiting for > > someone from the foundation to come out and agree to that, a recognition > > that the error was that they needed to be done first. > > Hi David, > > I'm a little bit lost as to what you're referring to here, is this > about the decision to not reinstate the orange notifications bar after > the Echo rollout? If so, I already clarified [1] that I felt that we > didn't do a good job recognizing the likely impact of this change > earlier and addressing it more systematically upfront. We've since > implemented a compromise, and work is continuing to iterate on this > and other aspects of the new notifications system. > > In general, for features rollouts (and if we want to talk more about > this, we should really split the thread), my recommendation is to > adopt a beta->production mode switch similar to the mobile site, which > will give us a generalized way to test new features with users who are > willing to do so, while not committing us to provide an opt-out > preference or mode switch for every new feature (which, while an easy > way to appease upset users, is also a recipe for technical debt). Had > Echo been available in beta on en.wp for a while before being > activated, I think the rollout could have been a lot smoother. > > All best, > Erik > > [1] > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Notifications&diff=prev&oldid=553547662 > > -- > Erik Möller > VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation > > _______ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)
Basically, you (in the plural) thought you could do better than the consensus, and therefore simply without rejecting it , did not implement it while you tried other things first. All these trials would have been good, ''had they been done before implementation.'' I am waiting for someone from the foundation to come out and agree to that, a recognition that the error was that they needed to be done first. I am then waiting for a statement that all future changes of this sort will be broadly announced and trialed first, And I'm further waiting for a statement that the actual implementation will depend on the consensus. Frankly, if these are not forthcoming, the community needs to consider what it can do to retain control over the interface. While some individuals at the WMF may have greater individual expertise at some of the things involved, they collectively do not have better judgment than the editing community about what makes a good editing interface. They may have the power to override it, but they do not have the right to do so. If they think they ought to have the right, let them justify it. Probably the first step is to insist on its consensus on this feature. I wouldn't want to make an example of this otherwise, but unless we have an acknowledgement that we will have the right to decide in the future, the time to assert our right to decide is now. The WMF presumably thinks it can out-wait us, and needs to learn otherwise. I'm not eager to do this: I've heard some ideas, and I hope we do not need them. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: > On 13 May 2013 18:01, Oliver Keyes wrote: > > >.You bring > > up Echo; yes, we didn't bring the Orange Bar back. But we spent a lot of > > cycles coming up with alternatives, running them past people, with many > > editors and many staffers actively engaged in the process. We had > > designers, developers, product managers participating in the discussion, > > And still you miss (if not ignore) the point; you removed something > which was useful; consensus - supported by justifications and > experience - was that it should be restored, and you ignored that > consensus. > > You consulted on options including that restoration; and when it it > was supported, you disregarded it out-of-hand. > > You (collectively) made unsupportable assertions and accusations, and > resorted to snide comments when called on them. > > > and in the end we came up with something that everyone, well, > begrudgingly > > tolerates. > > And that's just downright false. > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Human-assisted machine translation (it was: "The case for supporting open source machine translation")
For the purposes of Wikipedia, it would be very useful to have machine or machine assisted translation specialized to specific subject domain widely represented in articles, especially those that might rely substantially on the standardized data in the infoboxes or subjects that use a relatively standardized vocabulary and have an international appeal. . (obviously the wikidata project is a first approximation to this in some ways) . If we confined ourselves for example to articles on football, or on classical music, a very large number of the possible ambiguities would not be present, that would be many fixed phrases that could be translated intact, and even the possible sentence structures would be relatively predictable. This should be true even for non-Eurpean based languages, as long as they have the vocabulary to discuss the subject and representative texts. Even where the actual subject terminology is country specific, this might be possible on a limited basis. The vocabulary for discussing UK and US and Japanese politicians is necessarily different, with the need for decisions about what is and is not of the same meaning. But once this has been determined, the actual articles should be relatively easy to convert. The article formulations used in the different WP are not quite identical--some things, like references, are handled in different manners. A set of MT tools specialized not just for the subject but for WP could deal with this also. On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Mark wrote: > On 5/1/13 3:39 PM, David Cuenca wrote: > >> In answer to Matthieu, I don't think perfection is something to aim for >> during the first stage. Just a MT that gives a fairly good text about the >> subject without big mistakes, would be already a big improvement. IMHO, >> goals should be set step by step and at a reasonable height. The lowest >> hanging fruit seems to be pairs of closely related languages, tolerating >> instances like the one you pointed out. >> >> I agree with that, especially from the perspective of improving the > state of free/libre tools. There are many things that are beyond the > capabilities of current state-of-the-art MT, but current free/libre tools > aren't even up to that level: proprietary cloud tools like Google Translate > and Bing Translate appear to be the most advanced currently available, and > certainly the only easy-for-end-users advanced tools available. If > free/libre tools could get up to that level, that would be a big win in > itself. > > -Mark > > > > __**_ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l> > -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Crisis of conscience Fwd: [REA]
> journal's licensing terms, which stripped authors of almost all claim > > > to ownership of their work. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/26/4149752/library-journal-resigns-for-open-access-citing-aaron-swartz > > > > > > Um abc > > > B. > > > > > > -- > > > Barbara Dieu > > > http://barbaradieu.com > > > http://beespace.net > > > > > > ___ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > > > -- > > __ > dr hab. Dariusz Jemielniak > profesor zarządzania > kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego > i centrum badawczego CROW > Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego > http://www.crow.alk.edu.pl > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's support of OTRS
I get very exasperated when the WMF says it does not have the money for something . Since it is spends only 1/2 of its annual receipts, it has the money; The actual meaning of the statement is that the WMF does not think the project of high enough priority to do, and would prefer to add the money to its reserves rather than spend it. (I agree that the Foundation ought to build up a reserve, but devoting so much of its financial resources to the purpose is not a reasonable decision). That it does not have the human resources is another matter, and a real concern. It is of course related: unless it uses its money to hire technically qualified people who understand the needs of WP, it never wiil have suitable staff for the requirements of the project. But even with this limitation, projects for work that is not intrinsically unique to Wikipedia can be outsourced. That individual people and chapters are not only willing but eager to fill its deficiencies is what keeps the overall project going. > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] The new narrowed focus by WMF (cleaner version), apology
I owe a number of good people an apology. I have worked for several self-protecting bureaucracies myself, and it is possible, though not easy, , for individuals to do good work there. I never intended to imply that everyone there is incompetent, though it is certainly my opinion that some of the people assigned to some of the programs I have been involved in have been. I admit that my anger is an inappropriate reflection of my frustration at my inability to work with those in one particular program. On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 8:54 PM, David Goodman wrote: > One obvious possibility for support is the chapters and the thematic > organizations; even if the WMF continues these fellowships as it > should, the other bodies in the movement should supplement them--it is > good to have more than one source of funds and more than one body > deciding on requests. But whether their work can be actually > implemented at those levels is another matter. > > The proposal at meta says "the Wikimedia Foundation was never able to > resource the fellowships to the point where they could achieve > significant impact: " I don't think the resource at issue is primarily > money, considering that in all recent years we have had not only > surpluses, but greater than expected surpluses. The resource which is > lacking is sufficient qualified people at the Foundation to work with > the fellows and help implement their projects. Rather than get such > people--which admittedly would require a change in WMF culture--the > WMF staff finds the easiest thing is to not even attempt to make the > improvements; it is too troublesome to deal with the good ideas of the > community, so the reaction is what one expects of self-protecting > incompetent bureaucracies: diminish the flow of good ideas. > > > > On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Steven Zhang wrote: >> In my opinion, the value of fellowships in my opinion is huge, and I feel >> that ceasing to support projects like the Teahouse would be a real shame. >> That said, I do feel there are other ways that individual editors could get >> the support they need to work on critical projects. As long as this remains >> in some capacity, then I think that could work too. >> >> Regards, >> >> Steve Zhang >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 22/10/2012, at 10:25 AM, Jacob Orlowitz wrote: >> >>> A letter in support of the Community Fellowship program from past, >>> current, and prospective Fellows, >>> >>> The WMF has expanded profoundly over the past decade, and especially >>> in the last few years. Recently initiatives to streamline and focus >>> the WMF have been undertaken; while these efforts are worthy in spirit >>> and necessary at some level, one useful if not vital program has been >>> caught in that process: The Community Fellowship program. We would >>> like to express our strong support of this valuable and important >>> program. >>> >>> The Fellowship program is first and foremost a community-based >>> program. It selects editors to work on projects -- those which are >>> novel and have yet to be tried, those that have been tried but have >>> not been rigorously developed or tested, and those otherwise that need >>> financial, technical and institutional backing to succeed. It >>> represents a direct line of support from the WMF to >>> community-organized, community-driven, and community-maintained >>> projects. >>> >>> We strongly believe that the Fellowship program is a great way to jump >>> start many projects cheaply, efficiently, and with low-risk. Most >>> importantly, because Fellowship projects are community-organized, >>> there is high potential for their broad community support. >>> >>> We recognize that the Wikimedia Foundation’s allocation of funding >>> must reflect the priorities of the Foundation’s annual and strategic >>> plans, and we understand that the future of the Fellowship program is >>> at risk under the justification that it does not fit within those >>> plans. >>> >>> The Fellowship program of course has a cost, but it is one we believe >>> is well justified by its impact. The following reasons explain why we >>> think the program is a worthwhile asset to the WMF and one that will >>> ultimately help it succeed in its strategic goals: >>> >>> 1) The program has a track record of producing successful projects, >>> with promising upcoming efforts that would be interrupted by a loss of >>> funding. Most recently a new-editor community called
Re: [Wikimedia-l] The new narrowed focus by WMF (cleaner version)
ons, but much of that financial support is unavailable to >> individual editors. There is not yet a grant-making process which >> doesn't run through Chapters. The Fellowship program is one lifeline >> to those editors, and it is a good one. >> >> 7) The Fellowship program provides a pipeline of trusted and >> knowledgeable editors to contribute to the Foundation's efforts. Many >> of those editors would be ideal candidates for positions within the >> Foundation, and the Fellowship program is a great way to identify, >> enlist, and onboard those individuals. Maryana Pinchuck and Steven >> Walling were Fellows, as were Liam Wyatt, Lennart Guldbrandsson, >> Stuart Geiger, Diederik van Liere, Giovanni Luca Ciampaglia, Melanie >> Kill, Aaron Halfaker, Achal Prabhala, Jonathan Morgan, and James >> Alexander. While being a training ground for future Foundation >> staffers, advisors, or researchers is not the stated purpose of the >> Fellowship program, it is nonetheless a positive side-effect. >> >> 8) The Fellowship program partners with and complements other WMF >> initiatives. The fellowship program enhances programs such as Editor >> Engagement Experiments by experimenting with community features rather >> than just interface features. Creating new spaces for new editors to >> find help and build community, identifying pain-points in existing >> community processes by surveying editors, and organizing cross-wiki >> translation efforts are excellent ways of improving the editor >> experience on Wikipedia. Fellowship projects have also benefitted >> existing WMF initiatives by providing necessary services: for >> instance, the Teahouse has served the needs of students enrolled in >> Global Education programs that do not have access to Classroom >> Ambassadors. The impact of the Fellowship program scales and exceeds >> the scope of the individual projects to numerous other forums and >> facets of the community. >> >> For these reasons, we urge the Wikimedia Foundation to reevaluate the >> worth of the Community Fellowship program and to continue it in its >> original or a similar capacity. The Fellowship program is an >> impactful, flexible laboratory of creativity which connects the >> Foundation and the community's best and most passionate editors. >> Having it has been a huge gain, and losing it would be a significant >> loss. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> * Anya Shyrokova User:Anyashy, prospective Fellow >> * Jake Orlowitz User:Ocaasi, prospective Fellow >> * Jon Harald Søby User:Jon Harald Søby, former Community Fellow >> * Jonathan Morgan User:Jtmorgan, former Research Fellow >> * Liam Wyatt User:Wittylama, former Cultural Partnerships Fellow >> * R. Stuart Geiger User:Staeiou, former Wikimedia Research Fellow >> * Peter Coombe User:The wub, Community Fellow >> * Steven Zhang User:Steven Zhang, Community Fellow >> * Tanvir Rahman User:Tanvir Rahman, Community Fellow >> >> ___ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness
in general, it’s >> impossible for the average user to know if their information has been used >> or disclosed in a way that is contrary to the site’s privacy policy. >> Sometimes misuse or preventable, improper disclosure of private data is made >> publicly known, as has happened with many online services being hacked for >> credit card or password information. The reality on the internet is that >> generally the information you provide can’t be guaranteed to remain private >> and secure. It is true that there can be abuses of investigative tools like >> CU, search warrants, and almost anything else. The best that can be done is >> to take reasonable precautions and to be careful about what you disclose in >> the first place, for the people who are trusted with special investigative >> tools to be honest and competent, to have sufficient “separation of powers” >> to help as much as possible to verify that the investigators are honest and >> competent, and for there to be penalties for investigators who misuse their >> authority. Regarding the investigative use of private information, as I >> think others have said also, sometimes there may be a good reason to keep an >> active investigation from being known to the individual who is being >> investigated. Like you, I value accountability and transparency, and I would >> gladly listen to suggestions that enhance accountability and transparency >> while maintaining reasonable safeguards for active investigations. There >> needs to be a balance. I prefer transparency, but sometimes there are good >> reasons for information to remain private. >> >> Pine >> ___ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
