[Wikimedia-l] Re: We need more interactive content: we are doing it wrong

[James Heilman]

The other option would be to have a copy of the OWID software on our own
servers (it is all openly licensed). We tried this sort of with the OWID
mirror which you can see here on the wmcloud

https://owidm.wmcloud.org/

And functional within a mediawiki install here

https://mdwiki.org/wiki/WikiProjectMed_talk:OWID/Archive_1

>From what I understand moving in this direction would require the software
running on production servers with WMF staff support and maintance.

We have already uploaded all the data that makes these graphs to Commons by
the way.

James

On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 11:11 AM Amir Sarabadani 
wrote:

> (Not Andy, but a global interface admin in my volunteer capacity)
> Hi,
> The difference is that here the third party code is being run under the
> context of Wikipedia. That means even with sandboxing mitigation such as
> iframe (which has been broken before), it's much easier to break out and
> collect user credentials such as session information or run any arbitrary
> action on behalf of the users. While, opening a link explicitly is
> protected by browsers to make sure they won't be able to access cookies in
> wikimedia or run arbitrary code on behalf of the user targetting wikimedia
> projects. That's not impossible to break but it's much much harder (and
> zero day bugs of this type are in range of millions of dollars). That's why
> it's recommended to avoid opening unknown links or if you really have to,
> open them in services such as "Joe's sandbox". What I'm saying is that it's
> making it easier and cheaper to attack users.
>
> The second aspect is trust. Users understand links go to external website
> we don't control but a dialog is not enough to convey wikimedia's lack of
> control. People might assume the code or security has been vetted by
> wikimedia which is not the case. It's worth noting that the click through
> rate for SSL/TLS security warnings for Chrome was 70% (
> https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/usenixsecurity13/sec13-paper_akhawe.pdf).
> Even in many cases where it was a legitimate "man in the middle attack". It
> got better since 2013 but it's still quite high.
>
> Another aspect is that, it basically this turns OWID into a target for
> what's called "watering hole attacks" (
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watering_hole_attack). This is similar to
> what happened to MeDoc, a tax helper app where it got compromised to launch
> NotPetya, one of the most devastating cyber attack ever recorded (
> https://www.wired.com/story/notpetya-cyberattack-ukraine-russia-code-crashed-the-world/
> ).
>
> It also brings to question of users data being transferred. As far as I
> know (I might be very wrong), we instruct browsers not to provide referer
> information to target websites (via noreferrer attribute) so they can't see
> any information that the user has clicked on Wikipedia while that's no
> longer the case here and no way to prevent that from happening (I might be
> wrong again. Writing this on phone).
>
> Last but not least, I'm seriously worried about the impact of this change
> on wikis where editors are in countries that don't have a good track record
> of respecting human rights. Breaking iframe or compromising OWID is not
> something a basic hacker can do but it's not hard to do for an APT or a
> government with deep pockets. That's why I urge you (as a fellow volunteer)
> to remove this.
>
> Hope that helps,
> Obviously my own ideas and limited knowledge. Not on behalf of WMF or the
> security team.
>
> Best
>
> James Heilman  schrieb am Fr., 26. Apr. 2024, 22:16:
>
>> Hey Andy
>>
>> How is the risk any different than having a reference for a graph that
>> includes a url which links to OWID? When one clicks on such a url it brings
>> you to OWID and shares your IP address with them. We have millions of
>> references that include urls without warnings or consent before loading.
>>
>> James
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 1:44 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
>> galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Andy,
>>> There was a solution involving adding the software to our own platform
>>> instead of loading it. It was dismissed by the Wikimedia Foundation. It's
>>> not disappointment the word I'm looking for.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Galder
>>>
>>> 2024(e)ko api. 26(a) 21:38 erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (
>>> acoo...@wikimedia.org):
>>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> I’m Andy Cooper, the Director of Security at the Wikimedia Foundation.
>>> Over the past week, teams within the Wikimedia Foundation have met to
>>> discuss the potential le

[Wikimedia-l] Re: We need more interactive content: we are doing it wrong

[James Heilman]

Hey Andy

How is the risk any different than having a reference for a graph that
includes a url which links to OWID? When one clicks on such a url it brings
you to OWID and shares your IP address with them. We have millions of
references that include urls without warnings or consent before loading.

James

On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 1:44 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Andy,
> There was a solution involving adding the software to our own platform
> instead of loading it. It was dismissed by the Wikimedia Foundation. It's
> not disappointment the word I'm looking for.
>
> Best
>
> Galder
>
> 2024(e)ko api. 26(a) 21:38 erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (
> acoo...@wikimedia.org):
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I’m Andy Cooper, the Director of Security at the Wikimedia Foundation.
> Over the past week, teams within the Wikimedia Foundation have met to
> discuss the potential legal, security, and privacy risks from the OWID
> gadget introduced on this thread. We’re still looking into the risks that
> this particular gadget presents, but have identified that it raises larger
> and more definite concerns around gadgets that use third party websites
> more broadly, such as in a worst case scenario theft or misuse of user’s
> personal identity and edit history. This, in turn, raises further questions
> and how we should govern and manage this type of content as a movement.
>
> As a result, we’re asking volunteers to hold off on enabling the OWID
> gadget on more wikis and to refrain from deploying more gadgets that use
> third party content and/or are automatically enabled for all users for
> certain pages until we have a better review process in place. I realize
> that this is frustrating for people here who have been working on OWID and
> are excited about it as a work around while graphs are disabled. The
> creativity and effort of volunteer developers has been and continues to be
> crucial for our movement’s success, and part of our team’s job is to make
> sure that happens in scalable and responsible ways. We wanted to let
> everyone here know about these concerns right away while we work to better
> understand the issue. If you’d like to be further involved in this topic,
> please visit the new Meta-Wiki page [1] where we’ll share updates,
> questions, and discuss next steps.
>
> Thanks,
> Andy
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OWID_Gadget
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: We need more interactive content: we are doing it wrong

[James Heilman]

Hey Andy

We have added alt text

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:OWID

Not sure how well the OWID website works with screen-readers. Would be
interested in hearing feedback regarding this.
James

On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 5:51 AM Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 at 22:14, James Heilman  wrote:
> >
> > We have Interactive graphs from OWID working
>
> What are the accessibility implications of presenting data in this
> manner? How is the data available to people with a visual impairment,
> for instance?
>
> Has anyone done an audit, to check compliance with WCAG [1]? Or
> performance in screen-readers [2]?
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Content_Accessibility_Guidelines
>
> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_reader
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: We need more interactive content: we are doing it wrong

[James Heilman]

Was involved in 2019 with loading the datasets that form these graphs
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data:CO2PerCapita.tab> onto Commons.
And then we were using these data sets within our currently dead graph tool
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Doc_James/OurWorld>. While we got it to
work, sort of, it was never nearly as nice as what OWID does. For example
our tool could not "zoom in" to Europe.

With respect to offline use, the still images are offline functional within
ZIMs for Kiwix, but yes the interactive graphs are not functional in these
ZIMs/offline.

The graphs actually work beautifully on mobile web. Not sure about the
Wikipedia app.

All of OWIDs source code is open source and we could definitely look at
pulling it into our ecosystem. We already made a copy of it with a number
of modifications at https://owidm.wmcloud.org/ Another major benefit to
bringing it in house is that we would have greater control over making it
multilingual (that was one of the reasons we looked at the mirror).

Another strategy could be to look at a partnership with OWID for these
specific 4,500 graphics. We could help them become more multilingual, with
an agreement around our reuse / mirroring their site on production servers.
Plus we could feedback other datasets to be graphed for either of our use.

James

On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 2:22 PM Brooke Vibber  wrote:

> Note that a third-party web service is not ideal; in addition to the
> issues of tracking and privacy, it can't work offline and likely would
> require additional work to get the graphics working on mobile web, mobile
> apps, and offline (kiwix etc). Integrating fully with a self-contained
> service that is supported by our whole ecosystem and maintained in the
> future would be desirable in the work I'd like to make sure we do on
> multimedia.
>
> -- brooke
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 12:59 PM James Heilman  wrote:
>
>> A bit more background on Our World in Data.
>>
>> They currently have about 4,500 data visualization
>> https://ourworldindata.org/charts
>>
>> They come in two main formats:
>>
>> 1) Grapher: These are simpler and their older work
>> https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/deaths-from-substance-disorders
>> 2) Explorers: These are newer with more ways to adjust data
>> https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/natural-resources
>>
>> Both of these work via the consent pop up workflow.
>>
>> We last coordinated the mass upload of still images from OWID to Commons
>> in 2020. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Our_World_in_Data
>> And are beginning to look at doing an update. One thought as part of this
>> update would be to include within the commons page the mediawiki markup
>> needed to have the consent pop up work in target languages that have it
>> activated.
>>
>> James
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 1:29 PM Brooke Vibber 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is exciting -- let's make sure we capture any usage requirements
>>> for the upcoming Graphs modernization work so we can have these features
>>> built in again soon!
>>>
>>> -- brooke
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 7:43 AM Felipe Schenone 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Amazing work, James and Galder!
>>>>
>>>> Today I was bold, made it fully multilingual and generalized it so that
>>>> it can be easily installed in any wiki (Wikimedia or not).
>>>> See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:OWID for the documentation
>>>> and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-OWID.js for the
>>>> code
>>>> and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template_gadgets for more context
>>>>
>>>> Galder, perhaps you'd like to update the usage at the Basque Wikipedia
>>>> (see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:OWID) so as to help
>>>> centralize and coordinate our efforts?
>>>> Some technical notes:
>>>> - I simplified the code considerably using the pre-built methods
>>>> OO.ui.alert and OO.ui.confirm rather than those complicated (and
>>>> unnecessary, in this case) OOUI classes. I hope you like it.
>>>> - I wrapped the code with an "OWID" object to keep it out of the global
>>>> space and make sure the 'oojs-ui-windows' dependency is always loaded.
>>>> - The localized messages should probably be moved to their own JSON
>>>> file and loaded from there, but I'm not sure about the best way to do that
>>>> while keep it template gadgets centralized at MediaWiki.org, and possibly
>>>> having the strings translated by translatewiki.net. Perhaps 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: We need more interactive content: we are doing it wrong

[James Heilman]

A bit more background on Our World in Data.

They currently have about 4,500 data visualization
https://ourworldindata.org/charts

They come in two main formats:

1) Grapher: These are simpler and their older work
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/deaths-from-substance-disorders
2) Explorers: These are newer with more ways to adjust data
https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/natural-resources

Both of these work via the consent pop up workflow.

We last coordinated the mass upload of still images from OWID to Commons in
2020. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Our_World_in_Data And are
beginning to look at doing an update. One thought as part of this update
would be to include within the commons page the mediawiki markup needed to
have the consent pop up work in target languages that have it activated.

James

On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 1:29 PM Brooke Vibber  wrote:

> This is exciting -- let's make sure we capture any usage requirements for
> the upcoming Graphs modernization work so we can have these features built
> in again soon!
>
> -- brooke
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 7:43 AM Felipe Schenone 
> wrote:
>
>> Amazing work, James and Galder!
>>
>> Today I was bold, made it fully multilingual and generalized it so that
>> it can be easily installed in any wiki (Wikimedia or not).
>> See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:OWID for the documentation
>> and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-OWID.js for the code
>> and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template_gadgets for more context
>>
>> Galder, perhaps you'd like to update the usage at the Basque Wikipedia
>> (see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:OWID) so as to help
>> centralize and coordinate our efforts?
>> Some technical notes:
>> - I simplified the code considerably using the pre-built methods
>> OO.ui.alert and OO.ui.confirm rather than those complicated (and
>> unnecessary, in this case) OOUI classes. I hope you like it.
>> - I wrapped the code with an "OWID" object to keep it out of the global
>> space and make sure the 'oojs-ui-windows' dependency is always loaded.
>> - The localized messages should probably be moved to their own JSON file
>> and loaded from there, but I'm not sure about the best way to do that while
>> keep it template gadgets centralized at MediaWiki.org, and possibly having
>> the strings translated by translatewiki.net. Perhaps we can set up a
>> call to discuss some options?
>>
>> PS, I enabled the template on the Spanish Wikipedia (see
>> https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantilla:OWID) but we're having some
>> local trouble with template gadgets so it's not working right now. I should
>> be able to fix it in the next few hours.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 6:34 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
>> galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, James, for all the work done,
>>> We now have 14 articles with interactive graphs, as we are exploring
>>> this new feature:
>>> https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategoria:Our_World_in_Data_grafikoak_dituzten_artikuluak.
>>> The deployment is pretty easy, it took around 10 minutes with only four
>>> things: a template, a css, a js and a gadget definition. This is so simple,
>>> that I think it should be implemented by everyone.
>>>
>>> We should think on how we make it multilingual.
>>>
>>> Thanks again to all the members of WikiProject Med for the step forward.
>>>
>>> Galder
>>> --
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>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 16, 2024 11:14 PM
>>> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List 
>>> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: We need more interactive content: we are
>>> doing it wrong
>>>
>>> We have Interactive graphs from OWID working on Basque Wikipedia,
>>> following a consent popup.
>>>
>>> https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haurdunaldi#Nerabezaroa
>>>
>>> Still need to figure out a way to make them multilingual.
>>>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: We need more interactive content: we are doing it wrong

[James Heilman]

We have Interactive graphs from OWID working on Basque Wikipedia, following
a consent popup.

https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haurdunaldi#Nerabezaroa

Still need to figure out a way to make them multilingual.

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[Wikimedia-l] Updated Board for Wiki Project Med

[James Heilman]

Hey All

We just finished our first official board meeting of the year. I would like
to take this opportunity to welcome our two new board members Tesleemah
Abdulkareem and Deb Rotman, with myself and Anjna Harrar returning for
another term. I would also like to send my gratitude to Alaa Najjar who is
transitioning off the board to a position of special adviser.

https://mdwiki.org/wiki/WikiProjectMed:Board

Positions on the board are:
Chair: James Heilman
Treasurer and Vice-chair: Stuart Ray
Membership admin: Mossab Banat
Secretary: Lane Rasberry

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Urgent attention required because Commons is blocked in Pakistan

[James Heilman]

acy
> reasons. So, this restriction should be removed. Registered users should
> have the freedom to access the platform how they want. If there's an issue
> with a specific user, it's more appropriate to block their username rather
> than restricting their access when logged in based on IP addresses. Adding
> more bureaucracy isn't the solution if there isn't a problem to begin with.
>
> In any case, nothing will probably change. But please don't say that VPN
> is a solution. People have already enough problems that adding more and
> more passages.
>
> Il martedì 19 marzo 2024 alle ore 19:51:42 CET, Neurodivergent Netizen <
> idoh.idreamofhor...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>
> A few years ago, I acquired a VPN as part of an antivirus package.
> However, when I tried to use it for other services, I encountered an
> unexpected issue switching on wiki platforms: despite being there as a
> registered user, I found myself unable to edit them.
>
> So how can VPN be a solution?
>
>
> Right, you would’ve had to use IP block exemption, which would require
> some level of trust from the community that you aren’t a vandal or other
> blocked user trying to circumspect said block.
>
> From,
> I dream of horses
> She/her
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 19, 2024, at 11:23 AM, Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l <
> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
> Why is there so much discussion about using VPNs as a solution? A few
> years ago, I acquired a VPN as part of an antivirus package. However, when
> I tried to use it for other services, I encountered an unexpected issue
> switching on wiki platforms: despite being there as a registered user, I
> found myself unable to edit them.
>
> So how can VPN be a solution?
>
> A.
>
> Il martedì 19 marzo 2024 alle ore 18:17:52 CET, Saqib Qayyum <
> saqibqayy...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>
> Hello Mr James
>
> Certainly, using a VPN is a workaround, but it's worth noting that
> obtaining an IP block exemption is still necessary to edit Commons, and
> this is not always feasible for all users. Many may not even be aware of
> its existence. For instance, I couldn't edit Commons since October 2020
> until I discovered the option for IP ban exemption. .
>
> And because of this, contributions to Commons from Pakistan have
> significantly dwindled. For instance, I recall organizing Wiki Loves
> Monuments Pakistan from 2014, where we used to receive thousands of images
> annually. However, in recent years, the number of uploads has drastically
> declined, with only a maximum of 100 photos being uploaded each year. This
> trend underscores the challenges Pakistani users face in accessing and
> contributing to the site.
> --
> Saqib Qayyum
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 9:55 PM James Heilman  wrote:
>
> Can you not just use a VPN?
>
> James
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 9:29 PM Saqib Qayyum 
> wrote:
>
> TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
>
> I am writing to you as a concerned volunteer from Pakistan regarding a
> critical issue that has been persisting for several years now. Despite
> multiple attempts to communicate this matter to members of the WMF's
> communication team, there has been a disappointing lack of response or
> acknowledgment.
>
> For the past several years, Commons has been blocked in Pakistan. While
> Wikipedia was briefly blocked last year, the swift response from both
> Pakistani and international news media led to its unblocking. However, the
> blockade of Commons, being a less prominent site in comparison, has gone
> largely unnoticed.
>
> Furthermore, several journalists I have spoken to have also expressed
> frustration over their attempts to reach out to WMF staff regarding this
> issue, only to receive no response.
>
> I urge the WMF to prioritize this matter and take immediate action to
> address the ongoing blockage of Commons in Pakistan.
>
> Thank you for your attention to this urgent matter.
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Urgent attention required because Commons is blocked in Pakistan

[James Heilman]

Can you not just use a VPN?

James

On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 9:29 PM Saqib Qayyum  wrote:

> TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
>
> I am writing to you as a concerned volunteer from Pakistan regarding a
> critical issue that has been persisting for several years now. Despite
> multiple attempts to communicate this matter to members of the WMF's
> communication team, there has been a disappointing lack of response or
> acknowledgment.
>
> For the past several years, Commons has been blocked in Pakistan. While
> Wikipedia was briefly blocked last year, the swift response from both
> Pakistani and international news media led to its unblocking. However, the
> blockade of Commons, being a less prominent site in comparison, has gone
> largely unnoticed.
>
> Furthermore, several journalists I have spoken to have also expressed
> frustration over their attempts to reach out to WMF staff regarding this
> issue, only to receive no response.
>
> I urge the WMF to prioritize this matter and take immediate action to
> address the ongoing blockage of Commons in Pakistan.
>
> Thank you for your attention to this urgent matter.
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Urgent attention required because Commons is blocked in Pakistan

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On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 9:29 PM Saqib Qayyum  wrote:

> TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
>
> I am writing to you as a concerned volunteer from Pakistan regarding a
> critical issue that has been persisting for several years now. Despite
> multiple attempts to communicate this matter to members of the WMF's
> communication team, there has been a disappointing lack of response or
> acknowledgment.
>
> For the past several years, Commons has been blocked in Pakistan. While
> Wikipedia was briefly blocked last year, the swift response from both
> Pakistani and international news media led to its unblocking. However, the
> blockade of Commons, being a less prominent site in comparison, has gone
> largely unnoticed.
>
> Furthermore, several journalists I have spoken to have also expressed
> frustration over their attempts to reach out to WMF staff regarding this
> issue, only to receive no response.
>
> I urge the WMF to prioritize this matter and take immediate action to
> address the ongoing blockage of Commons in Pakistan.
>
> Thank you for your attention to this urgent matter.
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: About the Gender Gap portal on meta

[James Heilman]

And if anyone would like to help with translation of women's health topics,
we would love to have you join us:

https://mdwiki.toolforge.org/Translation_Dashboard/index.php?cat=WHRTT

J

On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 3:55 AM Ruby Damenshie-Brown <
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> Thank you for sharing Florence!
> Ruby
>
> On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 at 5:59 PM, Florence Devouard 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello friends
>>
>>
>> The opportunity of Women Rights Month lead me to remind everyone of the
>> existence of the Gender Gap portal on meta.
>>
>> You may find there
>> * knowledge, research, data, reports about the gender gap to better
>> grasp the context
>> * Learn about the different groups active in this space and some of the
>> initiatives
>> * Read the latest news and the activities planned in March
>>
>> And just as in any wiki page... {{bebold}} in updating them. And
>> remember that attention to the topic can happen 12 months/12 (not in
>> March only)
>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> Anthere
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: We need more interactive content: we are doing it wrong

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erefore, we think
>> that if we were to support graphs and other interactive content, we would
>> need to plan substantial investment in sustainable architecture.  This way,
>> our approach would work securely and stably for the longer term.  But that
>> would take significant resources, and we’ll need to weigh it against many
>> other important priorities, like tools for functionaries, improvements to
>> the editing experience, automated ways to stop vandals, etc.
>>
>> To be clear, if we do assign resources to the planning and building of an
>> architecture for graphs (and other interactive content), it means that we
>> are still at least several more months away from having a working
>> Foundation-supported architecture.  Therefore, I think we should also be
>> having the additional conversation that many others have brought up about
>> what volunteers can do in these intervening months to make graphs somewhat
>> available to users.  I know people are talking about that concretely on the
>> Phabricator task, and I will join that conversation as well.
>> For the bigger question, I would like to start with some more learning
>> about which kinds of interactive content are important for our
>> encyclopedia, and how our community members see the evolution of the
>> reading experience on our projects.  I’d like to have some small
>> conversations with many of you so that we can get into the details and
>> ideas, joined by some of my colleagues.  I’ll start reaching out to see who
>> is interested in talking – and please let me know directly if you’d like to
>> talk.
>>
>> Thank you for weighing in so far, and let’s keep talking and planning
>> together.
>>
>> Marshall
>>
>> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:MMiller_(WMF)
>> [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334940
>> [3]
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2023-2024#Our_approach_for_the_future
>> [4]
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Page_Curation/2023_Moderator_Tools_project#October_20,_2023:_Final_update
>> !
>> [5]
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Team/iOS/Watchlist#October_2023
>> [6]
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Team/Android/Anti_Vandalism
>> [7] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Accessibility_for_reading
>> [8]
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:WMF_support_for_Commons/Upload_Wizard_Improvements
>> [9]
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Future_Audiences#Sign_up_to_participate!
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: We need more interactive content: we are doing it wrong

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the number of such animations made was approximately zero. Granted Vega 
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> probably not the easiest framework for creating animations, but I don't
>>>>>> think there are other tools which would make it much easier. You could 
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> write arbitrary Javascript and package it as a gadget; but no one did 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> either. Instead, both gadgets and Graph usage are mostly focused on very
>>>>>> basic things like showing a chess board or showing bar charts, because
>>>>>> those are the things that can be reused across a large number of articles
>>>>>> without manually tailoring the code to each, so the economics of creating
>>>>>> them work out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Security is a challenge but could be worked around via iframes. But
>>>>>> it's hard to justify the effort required for doing that when there is no
>>>>>> community of animation makers interested in it - there are plenty of
>>>>>> volunteers who want to *have* animations, but it's not very clear
>>>>>> that there are any who want to *make* animations. This is the same
>>>>>> problem geni mentioned for videos - a lot of people say "we should have
>>>>>> more videos", but it's not very clear who would make them. If platform
>>>>>> support were the bottleneck here, I think the platform support would
>>>>>> happen. But as things look now, it would just be a poor investment of
>>>>>> resources IMO (compared to e.g. the Gadgets extension or Toolforge or
>>>>>> Scribunto which do sustain vibrant volunteer ecosystems which are
>>>>>> significantly held back by the limitations of these platforms).
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> thank you for sharing ori and gergo. coming from i opened the page
>>>>> "how to tune a guitar":
>>>>> https://mathisonian.github.io/idyll/how-to-tune-a-guitar/, and the
>>>>> readings about "reinventing human explanations" and so on:
>>>>> https://explorabl.es/reading/. the sheer number of examples is saw
>>>>> out of these links does not sound like there is a lack of persons who love
>>>>> to do that.
>>>>>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: We need more interactive content: we are doing it wrong

[James Heilman]

 news is that we can see
>it. The bad news is that we can't embed it in any article. Which is
>extremely weird, because both are our projects.
>
>
> So, we have two different problems. Video playing is quite evident. But
> lack of interactivity will add to the cost, because there are other
> platforms doing it way better.
>
> I would really like to have an answer by the WMF.
>
> Thanks
>
> Galder
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* Ivan Martínez 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 30, 2024 8:25 AM
> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List 
> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: We need more interactive content: we are
> doing it wrong
>
> It is not difficult to do something that is already happening. By
> referring to encyclopedic videos I am talking about multimedia that can
> enrich existing content. I understand your point, it's a bit like what
> happened with the project of reading recorded Wikipedia articles that after
> years seem obsolete.
>
> What I am referring to is all that multimedia material that is visual,
> that can be made into video to complement articles. The process you mention
> is complicated, but not impossible, in fact, there are many of us editors
> who have all those skills already implemented in the projects.
>
> El vie, 26 ene 2024 a las 12:06, geni () escribió:
>
> On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 at 22:24, Ivan Martínez  wrote:
> > By not having a Youtube 2.0 we are avoiding a Wikipedia 2.0 with pure
> encyclopaedic videos. I see a false dilemma there.
>
>
> Creating good encyclopaedic videos is from a video production point of
> view a far harder problem that dealing with the technical hurdles in
> uploading video to commons. Going to take a lot of effort in
> scripting, shooting, lighting and editing. And having your editor of
> choice render the final project in a wikipedia friendly format should
> not present a problem (and if it does handbrake exists).
>
> I really doubt we will ever get much in the way of encyclopaedic
> videos on our platforms since they take so much time and cost so much
> to make that they are only viable at scale from people who can do it
> at as a full time job. Youtubers find ways to do that through adsense,
> sponsor spots and Patreon. Not really something you can do on
> wikipedia.
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: We need more interactive content: we are doing it wrong

[James Heilman]

>From my non-lawyer reading of the Wikipedia page on the topic, the patent
is for the devices or hardware that reads the files, not on those that
distribute or make the files.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Video_Coding

Since we do not manufacture hardware. Not seeing the issue.

James

On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 1:11 AM Kimmo Virtanen 
wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 1:23 PM Kimmo Virtanen <
> kimmo.virta...@wikimedia.fi> wrote:
>
>> Could somebody explain what is problem with VP9 or AV1 with WebM
>> container? These are supported in Wikimedia Commons.
>>
>
> OK, I will try to answer my own question:
>
> AV1 is technically superior to h.264 in terms of file size and quality as
> it is one generation newer.  h.265 (HVEC) would be in quality level than
> AV1, but there is licence fee for using it and open source tools support is
> better for AV1 than h.265. If we include closed source encoders then h.265
> encoders are in ame level than open source AV1 encoders. AV1 is generally
> widely used as it is used by Netflix and Youtube etc.
>
> Browser support for AV1 seems to be OK
> - https://caniuse.com/?search=VP9
>
> The missing thing is that hardware support is in the transition phase. Ie.
> Most notably, widely available Apple support is missing as it supports AV1
> only devices where there is hardware support for decoding. Apple added
> hardware decoding AV1 support to its latest generation chipsets (A17, M3).
>
> On Android Google defined that AV1 support is mandatory for Android 14
> (released 2023) compliance.
>
> On PC side hardware decoding / encoding support has been added like this
> * AMD RDNA2 = AV1 decode (released 2020)
> * AMD RDNA3 = AV1 decode/encode (released 2022)
> * Intel 11th gen = AV1 decode (released 2021)
> * Intel 14th gen = AV1 decode/encode (released 2023)
>
> So, all new devices which are released in 2024 will support AV1 and in a
> couple years perspective the devices which don't support AV1 are legacy
> ones. Hardware decoding is relevant for mobile devices as without it power
> consumption would be too high even if the device could decode the stream.
> Legacy desktop computers can do the software decoding in terms of CPU/GPU
> performance required.
>
> Br,
> -- Kimmo Virtanen, Zache
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: We need more interactive content: we are doing it wrong

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And here we have >300 videos donated by Osmosis

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Videos_from_Osmosis

James

On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 11:45 AM Amir Sarabadani 
wrote:

> Maybe people don't know but video donation happens in Wikimedia already
> and it doesn't need to be from Youtubers.
>
> Here is my favorite example: German public broadcaster (ARD) donates short
> informational videos to Wikipedia and they are used in articles in German
> Wikipedia. They get a lot of views. Here is a list of videos from one of
> their programs named Tagesschau:
>
> https://mvc.toolforge.org/index.php?category=Videos+by+Tagesschau+(ARD)==2023-08-01=2023-09-01=100
>
> For example, this video about Golf Stream and impact of climate change on
> it which is used in the article of Golf Stream in German Wikipedia:
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kurzerkl%C3%A4rt,_Golfstrom_-_Tagesschau.webm
> Or when cold or hot temperatures can be dangerous to humans:
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gut_zu_wissen,_Wann_wird_K%C3%A4lte_gef%C3%A4hrlich_-_Tagesschau.webm
> Or an explanation on Carthage, even with English subtitles:
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Karthago,_Ph%C3%B6nizische_Gro%C3%9Fstadt_(CC_BY-SA_4.0).webm
>
> It'd really be nice to see more partnerships like this. Whether with
> youtubers, public broadcasters, museums, universities, or anything like
> that!
>
>
> Am Fr., 26. Jan. 2024 um 19:29 Uhr schrieb Andrew Bogott <
> abog...@wikimedia.org>:
>
>> On 1/26/24 12:05 PM, geni wrote:
>> > On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 at 22:24, Ivan Martínez  wrote:
>> >> By not having a Youtube 2.0 we are avoiding a Wikipedia 2.0 with pure
>> encyclopaedic videos. I see a false dilemma there.
>> >
>> > Creating good encyclopaedic videos is from a video production point of
>> > view a far harder problem that dealing with the technical hurdles in
>> > uploading video to commons. Going to take a lot of effort in
>> > scripting, shooting, lighting and editing. And having your editor of
>> > choice render the final project in a wikipedia friendly format should
>> > not present a problem (and if it does handbrake exists).
>> >
>> > I really doubt we will ever get much in the way of encyclopaedic
>> > videos on our platforms since they take so much time and cost so much
>> > to make that they are only viable at scale from people who can do it
>> > at as a full time job. Youtubers find ways to do that through adsense,
>> > sponsor spots and Patreon. Not really something you can do on
>> > wikipedia.
>> I don't know much of anything about youtube licensing... is it possible
>> for youtubers to dual or re-license their content? Could we invite
>> creators to donate their content to the commons after a year or two when
>> their revenue stream has trailed off?
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[Wikimedia-l] 2023 Report from Wiki Project Med

[James Heilman]

Hey All

Attached is a review of our work in 2023. Reach out if your are interested
in getting involved:

https://mdwiki.org/wiki/WikiProjectMed:WMMED/Reports/2023

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: We need more interactive content: we are doing it wrong

[James Heilman]

Yes we see this sentiment regarding a number of issues in our movement. The
existing community wants to keep certain processes more difficult / time
consuming to make sure that those involved in the process are sufficiently
"dedicated".

Maybe we just need a flag which can be given to allow certain folks we
trust to use an easier process or only allow video upload by people with so
many edits which can be removed if they misuse it?

James

On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 2:38 PM Yaroslav Blanter  wrote:

> Specifically related to video uploads, we had discussions on Commons on
> different strategic issues recently, in particular, about this. The general
> sentiment was, to my understanding (pls correct me if I am wrong) that
> Commons has no ambition to become Youtube 2.0 and we do not have any
> resources for this. If video upload is encouraged, very strict policies
> must be in force concerning of what is in the scope of Commons.
>
> Best
> Yaroslav
>
> On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 10:05 PM Brion Vibber 
> wrote:
>
>> Converting them to suitably compact files in h.264/aac in .MP4 format
>> would be by far the simplest way. Use ffmpeg as we do on the server side
>> for online playback.
>>
>> Conforming to the arbitrary Wikimedia prohibition on h.264 you could use
>> mpeg-4 visual instead, still in .mp4 - afaik patents are expired and it'll
>> play in standalone files (not in HLS)
>>
>> If you jump through enough hoops you might get vp9 working in HLS
>> offline, but adaptive streaming may be irrelevant to offline use.
>>
>> -- brion
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2024, 12:52 PM James Heilman  wrote:
>>
>>> It would be amazing if one could play videos on iPhones when the videos
>>> are within ZIMs in an offline environment aswell. Brion not sure what
>>> barriers there are to this currently?
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 12:48 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
>>> paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Should read 2030 Strategy, not 2023 strategy, sorry.
>>>>
>>>> Paulo Santos Perneta  escreveu (terça,
>>>> 23/01/2024 à(s) 19:41):
>>>>
>>>>> I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment. We are currently grappling
>>>>> with rather rudimentary approaches when it comes to uploading and reusing
>>>>> video and music files...
>>>>> The incredibly useful Graph has been down for quite some time. The
>>>>> extensive capabilities of Wikidata query representations, particularly 
>>>>> with
>>>>> geolocated data on maps, appear to have barely scratched the surface.
>>>>> Listeria frequently experiences issues and underwent a major update that
>>>>> disrupted previous queries.
>>>>>
>>>>> On a personal note, I attempted to create a dynamic digital library of
>>>>> works under a free license using Wikidata for our Digital Humanistics
>>>>> centre. However, I discovered that with the available tools, I would need
>>>>> to code the presentation myself, as the options for reuse outside of
>>>>> Wikidata were very basic.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the whole, the Wikipedia experience remains challenging, especially
>>>>> for newcomers. The much wanted Visual Editor developments and improvements
>>>>> seem to have stopped years ago. The recent changes made by the 'Desktop
>>>>> Improvement' team to the default Wikipedia skin seem to be more geared
>>>>> towards readers than editors and have apparently worsened the overall
>>>>> experience, according to feedback I've received from newcomers.
>>>>>
>>>>> These are just a few instances that have underscored, and continue to
>>>>> underscore, my belief that we are likely not on the path towards achieving
>>>>> the objectives outlined in the 2023 Strategy.
>>>>>
>>>>> My personal impression is that the issue doesn't necessarily stem from
>>>>> a lack of funding to pursue these objectives but rather from the
>>>>> ineffective expenditure and allocation of those funds. I wish I knew how 
>>>>> to
>>>>> contribute to changing or improving this situation.
>>>>> It would also be great to see a comment/opinion from current CEO
>>>>> Maryana Iskander on this state of affairs, and if there is some roadmap 
>>>>> for
>>>>> improving it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>

[Wikimedia-l] Re: We need more interactive content: we are doing it wrong

[James Heilman]

re of the ecosystem
>>>of free knowledge*"). Trying to add this data and graphs to
>>>Wikimedia projects has been done by WikiMed, and it is technically
>>>possible, but still blocked to deploy (
>>>https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T303853).
>>>- Wolfram Alpha is like a light year ahead us on giving interactive
>>>solutions to knowledge questions, even the silliest ones (
>>>
>>> https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=how+many+oranges+fit+in+the+Earth%3F).
>>>We have good technical articles about a lot of things, but sometimes 
>>> "*becoming
>>>the essential infrastructure of the ecosystem of free knowledge*"
>>>needs to provide solutions to exact problems, like the answer to an
>>>equation, and how to solve it. That's also "free knowledge".
>>>- Brilliant (https://brilliant.org/) is brilliant if you want to
>>>learn lots of things, like geometry or programming. Way better than
>>>Wikipedia. But... you need to pay for it. How could we even try if we 
>>> can't
>>>add anything interactive to our platforms?
>>>- We can build interactive timelines using Wikidata, but we can't
>>>embed them at Wikipedia. Weird, because I can do it in any external page.
>>>Hopefully, Histropedia will do it better. http://histropedia.com/
>>><http://histropedia.com/>
>>>- We could have something very special: inline links in video and
>>>audio subtitles. We used to have them, but the new video infrastructure
>>>doesn't allow it. Imagine a world where you can watch a video and link a
>>>link in the subtitles just to know more about that.
>>>- ...
>>>
>>>
>>> The list can go on an on ("which phase the moon is today?"), but I think
>>> that the idea is clear. We could have interactive content, but we are going
>>> in the opposite direction, and every year we are further from our goal,
>>> because other platforms are doing it better, way better. And this seems
>>> like some wild ideas, but then I read the 2023-2024 annual plan section
>>> called "Wiki Experiences" (
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2023-2024/Goals/Infrastructure#Bucket:_Wiki_Experiences)
>>> and it looks like we should be going there. But we aren't.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry if this e-mail feels bitter. My experience in the last years
>>> is that we are now further of what we need that we were before, even if
>>> many chapters and volunteers are trying to overturn it.
>>>
>>> Thank to everyone who have been trying.
>>>
>>> Galder
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: We need more interactive content: we are doing it wrong

[James Heilman]

;>learn lots of things, like geometry or programming. Way better than
>>Wikipedia. But... you need to pay for it. How could we even try if we 
>> can't
>>add anything interactive to our platforms?
>>- We can build interactive timelines using Wikidata, but we can't
>>embed them at Wikipedia. Weird, because I can do it in any external page.
>>Hopefully, Histropedia will do it better. http://histropedia.com/
>><http://histropedia.com/>
>>- We could have something very special: inline links in video and
>>audio subtitles. We used to have them, but the new video infrastructure
>>doesn't allow it. Imagine a world where you can watch a video and link a
>>link in the subtitles just to know more about that.
>>- ...
>>
>>
>> The list can go on an on ("which phase the moon is today?"), but I think
>> that the idea is clear. We could have interactive content, but we are going
>> in the opposite direction, and every year we are further from our goal,
>> because other platforms are doing it better, way better. And this seems
>> like some wild ideas, but then I read the 2023-2024 annual plan section
>> called "Wiki Experiences" (
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2023-2024/Goals/Infrastructure#Bucket:_Wiki_Experiences)
>> and it looks like we should be going there. But we aren't.
>>
>> I'm sorry if this e-mail feels bitter. My experience in the last years is
>> that we are now further of what we need that we were before, even if many
>> chapters and volunteers are trying to overturn it.
>>
>> Thank to everyone who have been trying.
>>
>> Galder
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Sister Projects Committee

[James Heilman]

Hey Frostly

Do we have any further progress on this? I am not seeing any recent
discussion at that page on meta.

James

On Sun, Dec 24, 2023 at 11:51 PM Frostly via Wikimedia-l
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>
> You are invited to join the discussion regarding the proposed Sister Projects 
> Committee, a body to review requests for creating, significantly modifying, 
> and closing Wikimedia projects, here 
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Arabic Wikipedia day of action

[James Heilman]

Itzik, this applies only to ar WP correct? Hebrew WP can of course take
actions as they see fit. Each project is somewhat independent of others.

J

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On Sat, Dec 23, 2023 at 05:38 itzik Edri  wrote:

> Unfortunately, not only did Arabic Wikipedia go dark, but also the entire
> movement. The day marks a sad day in the history of a movement that should
> be neutral and respect the movement's readers, volunteers and donors around
> the world. This was the day when one of our most important projects was
> taken hostage by politics. This is not the vision of our movement. It is
> not what hundreds of thousands of volunteers have worked so hard to build.
>
> For more than 19 years, I have volunteered for this movement, and I have
> never felt so ashamed.
>
> What's next?
>
> Let's take dark Hebrew Wikipedia and call for the release of 130 babies,
> elders, and civilians who were taken from their beds and are being held
> captive for more than two months without access to the red cross, whose
> medical condition is unknown.
>
> In addition, I hope that European Wikipedias will go dark to raise
> awareness about the rising antisemitism and violence towards Jews.
>
> I believe that this is our commitment as a movement according to the
> updated movement mission, as it seems from Arabic Wikipedia last action.
>
>
>
> Itzik
> A proud Israeli and a proud chairperson of Wikimedia Israel.
>
> On Sat, Dec 23, 2023, 03:19 Farah Jack Mustaklem 
> wrote:
>
>> Greetings to all,
>>
>> Arabic Wikipedia editors have agreed to hold a day of action to highlight
>> the plight of the Palestinian people and to call for peace. At 00:00 UTC on
>> the 23rd of December, the Arabic Wikipedia "went dark", meaning that
>> Wikipedia will not be editable for 24 hours. Wikipedia remains accessible
>> for reading, though.
>>
>> This action stems from the community's sense of moral duty to combat
>> injustice. Wikipedia communities have previously stood up for human rights
>> such as by protesting legal travesties like SOPA and PIPA or by showing
>> solidarity with Ukrainians following Russia's invasion of their country.
>>
>> May everyone celebrating the holidays - and those who aren't - stay safe,
>> and may peace and justice prevail throughout the World.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Farah
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Tool to find articles to create or improve in non-English Wikipedias

[James Heilman]

Would be useful to have a link to these tools from the Content
Translation tool IMO.

J

On Sun, Sep 17, 2023 at 7:24 PM Ndahiro Derrick Alter
 wrote:
>
> Thanks a lot, Amir, The tool is so important,  In fact, I am now using it to 
> find and create articles on English Wikipedia related to Gender Studies which 
> are missing on Kinyarwanda Wikipedia.
>
> Best regards
>
> On Mon, 18 Sept 2023 at 01:24, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga 
>  wrote:
>>
>> Really good and useful, Amir.
>> In the last years we have developed some similar tools, and the problem I 
>> see is about discoverability. How could we make this kind of tools extremely 
>> easy to find, and not something external that you must search for? 
>> Personally, I think that the user menu could be a great place to have these 
>> kinds of tools which make finding topics to edit easier. While I can't find 
>> a perfect solution, it would be great to know if the product team is 
>> thinking on a way to integrate the miriad of tools.
>>
>> Thanks again for the tool
>>
>> Galder
>> 
>> From: James Heilman 
>> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 12:57 AM
>> To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
>> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Tool to find articles to create or improve in 
>> non-English Wikipedias
>>
>> Very nice Amir. We have built a somewhat similar tool specifically to
>> help guide translation of healthcare related content
>>
>> https://mdwiki.toolforge.org/Translation_Dashboard/index.php
>>
>> Some of the additional functionality is that it integrates with the
>> content translation tool, automatically collects data around the
>> number of translations completed to create a leaderboard, and fixes /
>> makes a bunch of minor adjustments after the translation is done.
>>
>> Our tool is based on categories, rather than an entire Wikiproject, as
>> we wanted the ability to manually determine which articles are on the
>> English side of the list. This allows us to make sure the English
>> content is of high quality before it is proposed for translation.
>>
>> Best
>> James
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 3:31 AM Amir Sarabadani  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> > TLDR: There is now a tool that gives you list of articles to improve or 
>> > create based on WikiProjects of English Wikipedia. For example, articles 
>> > of top importance in WikiProject Mathematics that are missing or short in 
>> > Azeri Wikipedia: 
>> > https://whattodo.toolforge.org/?lang=az=Mathematics=Top
>> >
>> > (I'm sorry for spamming your mailboxes, but I couldn't find a place to 
>> > bring this up that would be more fitting.)
>> >
>> > This tool basically gets the list of articles of a given wikiproject of a 
>> > given importance and tells you which ones are missing are below 10K bytes 
>> > in the given target language.
>> >
>> > For example:
>> >
>> > For WikiProject Physics and target of Hungarian Wikipedia, you get [2] 
>> > saying article of Speed is missing while existing in 79 wikis and article 
>> > of Molekulapálya [3] is the shortest article of this importance with ~700 
>> > bytes.
>> > For Wikiproject Poland and target of Dutch Wikipedia, you get [1] saying 
>> > article of "Ignacy Mościcki" is missing in Dutch Wikipedia while existing 
>> > in 38 other languages (and many more articles to create or improve)
>> > For Wikiproject Computer Science and target of Vietnamese Wikipedia, you 
>> > get [4] saying article of "Alonzo Church" exists in 50 wikipedias but not 
>> > in Vietnamese Wikipedia (and more articles to create or improve in field 
>> > of computer science)
>> > and many more but you get the idea.
>> >
>> > It is not perfect, for example the concept of importance and what articles 
>> > belong to them is not perfect but it's better than nothing.
>> >
>> > I personally find this useful in events and editathons where a newcomer 
>> > asks "I'm interested in topic X what can I do?" and you can give them at 
>> > least something to work on. Or for small or medium wikis to find gaps in 
>> > their content in given topics.
>> >
>> > Noting that there are more than 2,800 WikiProjects in English Wikipedia, 
>> > the topics to pick are quite broad. From Olivia Roderigo [5] to Rome [6] 
>> > to Soap Operas [7] to Trains [8]. Hope that'd be useful for you.
>> >
>> > If anyone is feeling comfortable to

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia

[James Heilman]

There are Wikis that have "succeeded" with IP editing turned off with
some being WikEM and Eyewiki

Additionally PT Wikipedia banned IP editing in 2020
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2020-11-01/News_and_notes

Not sure how the later is going.

James

On Sun, Sep 17, 2023 at 11:52 PM WereSpielChequers
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>
> Yesterday they had less than a hundred edits from just 6 individuals. The 
> English language Wikipedia had around 150,000 edits. Justapedia needs a much 
> bigger community for it to become more than a mirror.
>
> They've switched off IP editing, one of the mistakes citizendium made, so 
> unless they relaunch themselves as the home of alternative medicine and 
> alternative facts, I agree with Galder, they are unlikely to succeed.
>
>
>
> WSC
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Il giorno mar 12 set 2023 alle ore 08:15 Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga 
>>  ha scritto:
>>
>> The logo is quite funny. According to that Information + Disinformation = 
>> Facts. It might be that they don't know what a Venn diagram is, or simply 
>> that they actually think that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Don't worry, this is just one more project that will fall into oblivion.
>>
>>
>>
>> Galder
>>
>>
>>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Tool to find articles to create or improve in non-English Wikipedias

[James Heilman]

Very nice Amir. We have built a somewhat similar tool specifically to
help guide translation of healthcare related content

https://mdwiki.toolforge.org/Translation_Dashboard/index.php

Some of the additional functionality is that it integrates with the
content translation tool, automatically collects data around the
number of translations completed to create a leaderboard, and fixes /
makes a bunch of minor adjustments after the translation is done.

Our tool is based on categories, rather than an entire Wikiproject, as
we wanted the ability to manually determine which articles are on the
English side of the list. This allows us to make sure the English
content is of high quality before it is proposed for translation.

Best
James

On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 3:31 AM Amir Sarabadani  wrote:
>
> Hi,
> TLDR: There is now a tool that gives you list of articles to improve or 
> create based on WikiProjects of English Wikipedia. For example, articles of 
> top importance in WikiProject Mathematics that are missing or short in Azeri 
> Wikipedia: 
> https://whattodo.toolforge.org/?lang=az=Mathematics=Top
>
> (I'm sorry for spamming your mailboxes, but I couldn't find a place to bring 
> this up that would be more fitting.)
>
> This tool basically gets the list of articles of a given wikiproject of a 
> given importance and tells you which ones are missing are below 10K bytes in 
> the given target language.
>
> For example:
>
> For WikiProject Physics and target of Hungarian Wikipedia, you get [2] saying 
> article of Speed is missing while existing in 79 wikis and article of 
> Molekulapálya [3] is the shortest article of this importance with ~700 bytes.
> For Wikiproject Poland and target of Dutch Wikipedia, you get [1] saying 
> article of "Ignacy Mościcki" is missing in Dutch Wikipedia while existing in 
> 38 other languages (and many more articles to create or improve)
> For Wikiproject Computer Science and target of Vietnamese Wikipedia, you get 
> [4] saying article of "Alonzo Church" exists in 50 wikipedias but not in 
> Vietnamese Wikipedia (and more articles to create or improve in field of 
> computer science)
> and many more but you get the idea.
>
> It is not perfect, for example the concept of importance and what articles 
> belong to them is not perfect but it's better than nothing.
>
> I personally find this useful in events and editathons where a newcomer asks 
> "I'm interested in topic X what can I do?" and you can give them at least 
> something to work on. Or for small or medium wikis to find gaps in their 
> content in given topics.
>
> Noting that there are more than 2,800 WikiProjects in English Wikipedia, the 
> topics to pick are quite broad. From Olivia Roderigo [5] to Rome [6] to Soap 
> Operas [7] to Trains [8]. Hope that'd be useful for you.
>
> If anyone is feeling comfortable to help maintain or add features to it, 
> please let me know. I wrote this in four or five hours, it's quite basic and 
> more of a PoC of what it could become.
>
> [1] https://whattodo.toolforge.org/?lang=nl=Poland=Top
> [2] https://whattodo.toolforge.org/?lang=hu=Physics=Top
> [3] https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molekulap%C3%A1lya
> [4]: 
> https://whattodo.toolforge.org/?lang=vi=Computer+science=Top
> [5] 
> https://whattodo.toolforge.org/?lang=fa=Olivia+Rodrigo=Top
> [6] https://whattodo.toolforge.org/?lang=fa=Rome=Top
> [7] https://whattodo.toolforge.org/?lang=fa=Soap+Operas=Top
> [8] https://whattodo.toolforge.org/?lang=fa=Trains=Top
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Google not indexing Wikisource for last few years now.

[James Heilman]

Agree, there was unfortunately very little opportunity to meet with
potential partners at Google to discuss collaboration opportunities.
Not sure if there are potential next steps.

James

On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 6:08 AM Bodhisattwa  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The sessions at Google headquarters in Singapore were designed in a way that 
> there was no option to sit together and discuss this grave issue with 
> Google's Search team. I guess, the slim opportunity for the Wikisource 
> volunteers to discuss the issue directly with Google was unfortunately lost. 
> Now it is totally up to WMF and sysadmins to take it up and figure it out 
> themselves with Google.
>
> Regards,
> Bodhisattwa
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, 14:48 Butch Bustria  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I think this is a good opportunity to discuss with Google's Search Team here 
>> in Singapore in 2 weeks time.
>>
>> You can register at Wikimania pre-Conference at this link:
>>
>> https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2023:Related_events/Mind_The_Gap
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Butch
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, 5:13 PM James Heilman  wrote:
>>>
>>> Am having the same issue with Google poorly indexing MDWiki.org. I have 
>>> personally switched my default browser to duckduckgo as they index much 
>>> better. The two folks at Google who used to support their collaborations 
>>> with Wikipedia are no longer with the company. Not sure if they have been 
>>> replaced by anyone.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 12:51 AM Bodhisattwa  
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> Apologies for cross-posting.
>>>>
>>>> For those who have not noticed till now, Google is not indexing any 
>>>> Wikisource language editions for the last couple of years which 
>>>> practically means that any Wikisource contents in any languages, which are 
>>>> being created in these years, are not searchable on Google and hence 
>>>> largely remain invisible on the web.
>>>>
>>>> This is an extremely demotivating and frustrating situation for the 
>>>> existing Wikisource volunteers to witness, draining away all of our past 
>>>> and current efforts to bring and retain viewers, readers, GLAM partners 
>>>> and any potential new editors. We already have a very low awareness and 
>>>> visibility about Wikisource among general internet users due to lack of 
>>>> organized support in these years but the invisibility on Google search 
>>>> engine could become the last nail in our coffin, unless it is fixed soon.
>>>>
>>>> There is a phabricator ticket raised by Darwinius back in December 2022 - 
>>>> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T325607.
>>>>
>>>> Can't this issue be put into priority by sys admins and WMF to work upon? 
>>>> Wikisource is still a sister project of Wikimedia and it needs some very 
>>>> basic care, after all.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Bodhisattwa
>>>> (Bengali Wikisource volunteer)
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Google not indexing Wikisource for last few years now.

[James Heilman]

Am having the same issue with Google poorly indexing MDWiki.org. I have
personally switched my default browser to duckduckgo as they index much
better. The two folks at Google who used to support their collaborations
with Wikipedia are no longer with the company. Not sure if they have been
replaced by anyone.

James


On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 12:51 AM Bodhisattwa 
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Apologies for cross-posting.
>
> For those who have not noticed till now, Google is not indexing any
> Wikisource language editions for the last couple of years which practically
> means that any Wikisource contents in any languages, which are being
> created in these years, are not searchable on Google and hence largely
> remain invisible on the web.
>
> This is an extremely demotivating and frustrating situation for the
> existing Wikisource volunteers to witness, draining away all of our past
> and current efforts to bring and retain viewers, readers, GLAM partners and
> any potential new editors. We already have a very low awareness and
> visibility about Wikisource among general internet users due to lack of
> organized support in these years but the invisibility on Google search
> engine could become the last nail in our coffin, unless it is fixed soon.
>
> There is a phabricator ticket raised by Darwinius back in December 2022 -
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T325607.
>
> Can't this issue be put into priority by sys admins and WMF to work upon?
> Wikisource is still a sister project of Wikimedia and it needs some very
> basic care, after all.
>
> Regards,
> Bodhisattwa
> (Bengali Wikisource volunteer)
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Call for feedback on a proposed Third-party resources policy

[James Heilman]

I have concerns about this policy. We are a collaborative movement and will
succeed more by working collaboratively with other like minded
organizations than by building a walled garden where only software run from
WMF staff controlled production servers can reach our readers.

On WikiVoyage for example we have relief maps as an optional overlay that
is viewable following a notice that external data sources will be accessed.
https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/K2_base_camp_trek It sounds like this policy
would end this. Which in my opinion would be a loss.

James

On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 2:03 AM Samuel Guebo  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> The Foundation’s Security team is gathering feedback on a draft policy
> about third-party resources from June 05 to July 17, 2023.
>
> Because this policy may impact gadgets and user scripts, inputs and
> suggestions on its content are warmly welcome.
>
> You can read more about the policy and join the discussion on meta-wiki
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Third-party_resources_policy>[1].
>
> Hope to see you there!
>
> On the behalf of the Foundation’s Security team
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Third-party_resources_policy
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikianswers Proposal

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; wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wikimedia,
>>>>
>>>> Per the recent interest in and discussions about artificial
>>>> intelligence in this mailing list, I am pleased to indicate the
>>>> *Wikianswers* project proposal. The proposal describes some approaches
>>>> for integrating these technologies (e.g., multimodal dialogue systems,
>>>> chatbots, and question-answering systems) with existing Wiki platforms.
>>>>
>>>> "Wikianswers would be a large-scale, user-editable cache of multimodal
>>>> answers from artificial intelligence systems, e.g., one or more large
>>>> language models, which tightly integrates with Wikipedia, Wikidata, and
>>>> Commons."
>>>>
>>>> This project proposal is described in more detail here:
>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikianswers .
>>>>
>>>> Thank you. Please feel free to review the project proposal and to
>>>> comment either here or there with any opinions, questions, feedback, or
>>>> suggestions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Adam Sobieski
>>>>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Graph Extension

[James Heilman]

And Tim has already done some amazing work getting OWID to function within
a mediawiki install. One can see examples of these graphs here

https://www.mdwiki.org/wiki/WikiProjectMed:OWID#How_to_use

All about 3,000 graphs can be seen here

https://owidm.wmcloud.org/

James

On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 7:49 PM Tim Moody  wrote:

> Dear Wikimedians,
>
> Yesterday it was announced that the Graph extension has been disabled due
> to security vulnerabilities. Having the ability to visualize data is a
> powerful tool in presenting information within a wikipedia page, so it is
> great to have such an extension.
>
> But this could be the moment to reach out to Our World in Data (
> https://ourworldindata.org/), who have an even better set of data
> visualization tools, based on similar libraries, that are actively
> maintained by a strong community. Perhaps there is an opportunity for
> collaboration. This will not be a short term solution, as forging OWID
> software into an extension will take some time and backwards compatibility
> is essential. But in the medium to long term it will result in better tools
> and more compelling wiki pages.
>
> I hope the community and WMF will support such an approach.
>
> Regards,
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikipedia & Education User Group Annual Report published

[James Heilman]

Hey LiAnna

We have recently relaunched our translation efforts at Wiki Project
Med Foundation and have been working to build tools to track impact
https://mdwiki.toolforge.org/Translation_Dashboard/leaderboard.php

We would be interested in collaborating if you have classes interested
in health care translation from English into other languages. Happy to
show you the workings of our dashboard if you are interested aswell.

Best
James

On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 6:50 PM LiAnna Davis  wrote:
>
> Friends of education in the Wikimedia universe,
>
> We in the Wikipedia & Education User Group are happy to share our 2022 annual 
> report, now available: [[meta:Wikipedia & Education User Group/2022 Annual 
> Report]]
>
> Highlights include:
> * Our diverse membership of 378 Wikimedians and 20 affiliates
> ** Not a member? Join us! [[meta:Wikipedia & Education User Group/Members]]
> * Open meetings of our membership, highlighting educational activities 
> happening all over the world
> * Our mentorship program, with 36 participants this year
> * Planning for the EduWiki Conference 2023, which will be held in Belgrade, 
> Serbia, in May
> ** Remember, the deadline for application to attend, with or without a 
> scholarship, is Sunday! More info: [[meta:EduWiki Conference 2023]]
> * A forthcoming book chapter about the global Wikipedia Education Program
> * And more!
>
> We are happy to answer questions on the talk page.
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Wiki Project Med Foundation

[James Heilman]

Hey All

Please find linked our yearly report
<https://mdwiki.org/wiki/WikiProjectMed:WMMED/Reports/2022> on activities
and financials for WPMEDF.

Let us know if you're interested in collaborating or joining us.

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Foundation Board: welcoming two community-and-affiliate-selected trustees

[James Heilman]

Congrats to Mike and Shani. Two excellent board members :-)

J

On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 10:36 AM Nataliia Tymkiv 
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> Dear all,
>
> The Wikimedia Foundation Board has appointed the two
> community-and-affiliate-selected trustees, so please join me in welcoming
> Mike Peel to the Board of Trustees [1]. I would also like to congratulate
> Shani Evenstein Sigalov on her re-appointment to the Board [2]. Their terms
> will run from December 7, 2022 to December 31, 2025. You can read more
> about them on Diff here [3].
>
> Mike’s first committee assignments will be: member of the Community
> Affairs Committee (CAC), alternate to the Audit and Product & Technology
> Committees [4]. Shani remains Vice-Chair of the Board, Chair of the CAC,
> member of the Governance and Product & Technology Committees [4]. She is
> also a Board liaison to the Affiliations Committee and the Movement Charter
> Drafting Committee.
>
> Also I would like to thank all who took part in the most recent selection
> process – be it as a voter or as a volunteer or staff member supporting the
> process. And of course a very special thank you to candidates, who put
> their names forward [5].
>
> [1] 
> https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Appointing_Mike_Peel_to_the_Board_of_Trustees
>
> [2] 
> https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Renewing_Shani_Evenstein_Sigalov%E2%80%99s_Appointment_to_the_Board_of_Trustees,_2022
>
> [3]
> https://diff.wikimedia.org/2022/12/12/the-wikimedia-foundation-welcomes-two-community-and-affiliate-selected-trustees/
> [4]
> https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_2022
> [5]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_2022_candidates
>
> Best regards,
> antanana / Nataliia Tymkiv
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: How to recruit native speakers for a small language Wikipedia: Yoruba Wikimedians approaches

[James Heilman]

Hey Mikaeel

Let me know if you are interested in collaborating around the translation
of health content. We at Wiki Project Med are working on easier to
translate material on MDWiki and have built tools to facilitate, track, and
document the impact of these efforts.

Tool is HERE <https://mdwiki.toolforge.org/Translation_Dashboard/index.php>
and integrates plus fixes some of the bugs with the WMFs Content
Translation. Best

James


On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 5:36 AM Mikaeel Sodiq 
wrote:

> Hello colleagues and Wikimedians, we are glad to share with you a
> significant amount of work Yoruba Wikimedians User Group has done to
> recruit native speakers for Yoruba Wikipedia and a number of pragmatic
> approaches we have engaged in  that could serve as a model for other small
> language communities.
>
> These efforts were mentioned and twitted by Wikimedia Foundation as well.
>
>
> https://twitter.com/Wikimedia/status/1601682920552513537?t=ipDI_W9PYVTxxBHjhadhXg=19
>
> Here is one of the Yoruba Wikimediams User Group projects implemented to
> recruits new editors for Yoruba Wikipedia below.
>
> https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mr_Macaroni_Skit_for_Yoruba_Wikipedia.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: The launch of the Content Partnerships Helpdesk

[James Heilman]

Hey Eric

Great initiative. Was reading the diff post and what popped out immediately
was that the image used is licensed NC ND :-)
https://diff.wikimedia.org/2022/09/02/do-you-want-support-with-content-partnerships-the-helpdesk-is-here-to-help/

This means we have a WMF project that is officially using NC and ND
licenses. Something which was supported by the Strategy 2030, at least in
part.

We at Wiki Project Med Foundation have started NC Commons
<https://nccommons.org/wiki/Main_Page> to help facilitate the use of NC and
ND licensed material within mediawiki installs. Not all countries, like the
US, release government content public domain. Most, if they use openish
licenses actually go with NC ones such as South Africa which we have here
<https://nccommons.org/wiki/Category:Photographs_by_GovernmentZA>.

We are looking for help with batch uploading of NC and ND licensed material
to NC Commons. We are working to move the data storage to Internet Archives
as part of a collaboration with them to cut down on our hosting costs after
which we want to look at importing Ted Talks and Khan academy videos.

Best
James

On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 6:05 AM Eric Luth  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> A while back, Wikimedia Sverige announced the upcoming Helpdesk of the
> Content Partnerships Hub, a service to support Wikimedians that want to
> work with partners to share content on the Wikimedia platforms.
>
> Now, when the Helpdesk is finally up and running, the next thing needed
> are your requests for help!
>
> I just published a blog post on Diff
> <https://diff.wikimedia.org/2022/09/02/do-you-want-support-with-content-partnerships-the-helpdesk-is-here-to-help/>
>  [1]
> where I try to outline the process. A lot is still under development, but
> you can already now read more on the Helpdesk portal on Meta
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Content_Partnerships_Hub/Helpdesk> [2].
>
> The basic idea, however, is that anyone that wants support with a project
> sends an email to *helpd...@wikimedia.se *. Describe
> what you want to do and what you want to achieve, and in what way it
> contributes to filling a gap on the platforms, and the Helpdesk will do
> what it can to help. The support can be anything from technical and batch
> uploads to policy-making or advocacy. We look forward to getting your
> proposals!
>
> We also want to invite Wikimedians to join the work. We plan to establish
> working groups to support with anything from communication to advocacy and
> actual uploads. If you are a volunteer or an affiliate that wants to
> support, please reach out as well! You can email *helpd...@wikimedia.se
>  *for this as well.
>
> Best
> *Eric Luth*
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> [1]
> https://diff.wikimedia.org/2022/09/02/do-you-want-support-with-content-partnerships-the-helpdesk-is-here-to-help/
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikivideos - New project proposal

[James Heilman]

Hey Rupert

So German is not one of the 15 languages in which VideoWiki works yet. If
there is interest in launching in German, I would be happy to work with you
on this. There is a template that need translation: specifically this one
https://mdwiki.org/wiki/Template:Videowiki

Then a decision on the Google text to speech voice that is wanted is
needed. We go with the wavenet options as they are better
https://cloud.google.com/text-to-speech/docs/voices

Then we will need to find a programmer who can make the changes to the
software to add a new language. Since we have failed to raise the few
thousand
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Rapid/WPM:VideoWiki> in
funding for this effort, the prior developer has moved on. We would love to
have volunteer developers join us.

James

On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 10:52 PM rupert THURNER 
wrote:

> i love this! and - i wanted to create a german subtitle or sound track for
> the tuberculosis video and could not find immediate how to do it, it this
> would be (easy enough) possible, isn't it?
>
> rupert
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 7:29 PM Samuel Klein  wrote:
>
>> Revisiting this thread: I love these ideas. Crossover design when?
>>
>> 
>>
>> On Fri., Aug. 5, 2022, 8:48 a.m. James Heilman,  wrote:
>>
>>> We have a very similar project at VideoWiki which you can see here
>>>
>>> https://mdwiki.org/wiki/Video:Tuberculosis
>>>
>>> The compiler is here
>>>
>>>
>>> https://videowiki.wmcloud.org/en/videowiki/Video:Tuberculosis?wikiSource=https://mdwiki.org=editor
>>>
>>> We have it working in about 19 languages.
>>>
>>> This new effort builds the video when you hit play rather than storing
>>> versions on Commons, which has pluses and minuses.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2022 at 9:31 PM Felipe Schenone 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi! I just proposed https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikivideos
>>>>
>>>> This project proposal is based on an extension I developed recently
>>>> called https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiVideos that
>>>> basically introduces a  tag that generates videos with a syntax
>>>> quite similar to  tags.
>>>>
>>>> I also already secured https://wikivideos.org, where you can test the
>>>> extension.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers!
>>>>
>>>> PS: Please comment at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikivideos or at
>>>> https://wikivideos.org (depending on the nature of your comment) to
>>>> try to keep the discussion together.
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikivideos - New project proposal

[James Heilman]

We have a very similar project at VideoWiki which you can see here

https://mdwiki.org/wiki/Video:Tuberculosis

The compiler is here

https://videowiki.wmcloud.org/en/videowiki/Video:Tuberculosis?wikiSource=https://mdwiki.org=editor

We have it working in about 19 languages.

This new effort builds the video when you hit play rather than storing
versions on Commons, which has pluses and minuses.

James



On Thu, Aug 4, 2022 at 9:31 PM Felipe Schenone  wrote:

> Hi! I just proposed https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikivideos
>
> This project proposal is based on an extension I developed recently called
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiVideos that basically
> introduces a  tag that generates videos with a syntax quite
> similar to  tags.
>
> I also already secured https://wikivideos.org, where you can test the
> extension.
>
> Cheers!
>
> PS: Please comment at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikivideos or at
> https://wikivideos.org (depending on the nature of your comment) to try
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: what do we do with all this opportunity?

[James Heilman]

The "decline" was via email, rather than publically. The concern was that
VideoWiki supposedly lacks broad consultation, coordination, and research
to provide an implementation framework. They suggested that rather than
working to update the software to the new operating environment and adding
improvements, that we conduct consultations within communities and gather
further learnings from community members. They mention that there may
also be other channels of funding.

Anyway instead we updated the software and moved it to new servers, plus
made a number of improvements with the small amount of internal funds we
raise directly ourselves. And then the programmer moved on as we were
unable to offer him the amount of work they were looking for. The software
still works and we are using it to make videos for MDWiki...
https://mdwiki.org/wiki/Video:Abdominal_thrusts

James

On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 8:54 PM Benjamin Lees  wrote:

> Is there no public notice or rationale given when grant applications are
> declined?  The only update on the status of your grant that I can see was
> by you: <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grants:Project/Rapid/WPM:VideoWiki=23125476=23110705
> >.
>
> On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 6:37 PM James Heilman  wrote:
>
>> I have not found getting funding from the WMF for projects easy.
>> VideoWiki for example has mostly been funded by WikiProjectMed / personally
>> funded. Our first grant application since fully taking on the effort was
>> declined
>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Rapid/WPM:VideoWiki> and
>> our programmer working on the project has thus moved on. Our experience has
>> been similar regarding our collaboration with Our World in Data. We have
>> gotten the interactive graphs working on our own site
>> <https://mdwiki.org/wiki/WikiProjectMed:OWID> and offered to work on
>> doing the same for Wikipedia (plus making them multilingual). Jumping
>> through hoops to meet WMF requirements will; however, cost about 1,000 USD.
>> WikiProjectMed has never received funding from the WMF and as a much much
>> smaller NGO cannot cover these programming expenses for the movement.
>>
>> James
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 3:49 PM Samuel Klein  wrote:
>>
>>> We face the paradox <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fredkin%27s_paradox>
>>> of choice <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overchoice>, the lull of
>>> peace, and the fog of distributed bureaucracy.
>>> ~ With great possibility comes disfocus. (and a few things with focus!)
>>> ~ With no clear challenge or adversary, we've become comfortable fussing
>>> over small changes... Even as the world moves on to new frontiers and
>>> companies race to enclose derivatives of our work. This peace is coming to
>>> an end.
>>> ~ Our central overhead costs are quite high. So high^ that it seems to
>>> baffle everyone involved, each believing the bureaucracy must be caused by
>>> some other part of the system, outside of their or their org's control.
>>>
>>> Our projects are already a global standard for multimodal collaboration
>>> at scale, we should embrace that and rise to meet it.  Building some of the
>>> world's best free, mulitilingual, accessible tools for is within our remit,
>>> experience, and budget.
>>>   [Discourse raised a *total *of $20M over its lifetime. we could
>>> support + spin out free-knowledge free-software layers like that every
>>> year.]
>>>
>>> Let's practice working together, focusing on a few things each year that
>>> can change not only our projects but the world, honoring existing work and
>>> aggressively shedding anything we are doing that others are alreay doing
>>> almost as well.
>>>
>>> SJ
>>>
>>> *^* Up to 10-to-1 in some areas, plus delays of years inserted into
>>> otherwise continuous processes.  This ratio can slip into the negative if
>>> one includes opportunity cost, or funded work that displaces or drives out
>>> comparable voluntary work; or that demands thousands of hours of input for
>>> little result.
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 8:45 AM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
>>> galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Or, maybe, just making Wikimedia a non-obsolete environment. I'm sure
>>>> the money can go to that effort.
>>>> --
>>>> *From:* Felipe Schenone 
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2022 12:51 PM
>>>> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List 
>>>> *Subject:* [Wi

[Wikimedia-l] Re: what do we do with all this opportunity?

[James Heilman]

f available and
>> do not only allocate them for the future or say no and try to reduce the
>> needed resources if not neccessary. From my point of view the Wikimedia
>> Foundation should reduce the Fundraising acitivities and try to reduce in
>> the next years the yearly expenses or pay at least attention that they do
>> not increase further. The salaries at the Wikimedia Foundation are
>> currently from my point of view in relation to Germany based NGOs high. I
>> think interesting documents to get an overview about the work of the
>> Wikimedia Foundation are the quaterly tuning sessions.
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Foundation_tuning_sessions,_FY2021-22
>>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Our World in Data (OWID)

[James Heilman]

Evelin Wiki Project Med Foundation is a Wikimedia Movement
thematic organization... We are applying for funding
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Rapid/WPM:VideoWiki> for
our work on VideoWiki.

James

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> This sounds like something they could apply for funding from the Wikimedia
> Alliances Fund?
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Our World in Data (OWID)

[James Heilman]

Hey SJ

Yes working to add OWID both to the sources tab.

With respect to translation, am in discussion with OWID and they have no
capacity to add this infrastructure for a couple of years. We will need to
build something ourselves if we want it sooner. Am looking for volunteers
who are interested :-) Or funding to help hire someone to work on this.

James

On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 8:41 AM Samuel Klein  wrote:

> Fantastic.  I would include OWID in the Sources attribution line in the
> embeds.
> Do they already have a start at translation?  A strings file associated w/
> each map?
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 4:52 PM James Heilman  wrote:
>
>> We at Wiki Project Med are working to get Our World in Data (OWID)
>> working within a mediawiki environment.
>>
>> 1) We have created a mirror of their website on WMF servers
>> <https://owidm.wmcloud.org/grapher/interventions-ntds-sdgs>. Hopefully
>> this has allowed us to address security and privacy concerns.
>>
>> 2) We have created an extension
>> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OurWorldInDataMirror> that
>> allows the use of this content within a mediawiki install
>>
>> 3) We have made a bunch of changes to formatting, such as removing the
>> logo, to make it compliant with WP practice and style. You can see an
>> example on MDWiki in the infobox here
>> <https://mdwiki.org/wiki/Neglected_tropical_diseases>.
>>
>> My question to the movement is are their communities interested in using
>> this technology? There are about 4,000 of these graphs
>> <https://owidm.wmcloud.org/charts>. We of course will also need to
>> develop a framework for translation.
>>
>> Best
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Our World in Data (OWID)

[James Heilman]

Next thing we need is clear consensus that the Basque community wants this.
In the form of a RfC with greater than 60% support should do. Ping me when
this is developed and happy to help bring it forwards to the WMF leadership
and technical folks.

James

On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 8:20 AM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> THIS IS GREAT.
> One of the best uses of cc I have seen lately. At Basque wikipedia we have
> been trying to include maps uing data uploaded to commons and then using
> Kartographer directly. But this solution is way better. What would we need
> to deploy there and serve as an example of what can be done?
>
> Galder
> ----------
> *From:* James Heilman 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 1, 2022 10:51 PM
> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List 
> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Our World in Data (OWID)
>
> We at Wiki Project Med are working to get Our World in Data (OWID) working
> within a mediawiki environment.
>
> 1) We have created a mirror of their website on WMF servers
> <https://owidm.wmcloud.org/grapher/interventions-ntds-sdgs>. Hopefully
> this has allowed us to address security and privacy concerns.
>
> 2) We have created an extension
> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OurWorldInDataMirror> that
> allows the use of this content within a mediawiki install
>
> 3) We have made a bunch of changes to formatting, such as removing the
> logo, to make it compliant with WP practice and style. You can see an
> example on MDWiki in the infobox here
> <https://mdwiki.org/wiki/Neglected_tropical_diseases>.
>
> My question to the movement is are their communities interested in using
> this technology? There are about 4,000 of these graphs
> <https://owidm.wmcloud.org/charts>. We of course will also need to
> develop a framework for translation.
>
> Best
> --
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Our World in Data (OWID)

[James Heilman]

Bashir do you mean you are interested in helping to fund the Our World in
Data effort? Wiki Project Med Foundation would be happy to accept
donations. We are currently spending significantly more money than we are
able to fund raise.

Gerald what would be the "identifier" for this
https://owidm.wmcloud.org/grapher/interventions-ntds-sdgs And how would we
add it to Wikidata? We would need to get created a new property I imagine.
Can you help with that?

J

On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 1:22 AM Bashir sani  wrote:

> How can I get a loan through to wikimedia?
>
> On Tuesday, 1 March 2022, James Heilman  wrote:
>
>> We at Wiki Project Med are working to get Our World in Data (OWID)
>> working within a mediawiki environment.
>>
>> 1) We have created a mirror of their website on WMF servers
>> <https://owidm.wmcloud.org/grapher/interventions-ntds-sdgs>. Hopefully
>> this has allowed us to address security and privacy concerns.
>>
>> 2) We have created an extension
>> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OurWorldInDataMirror> that
>> allows the use of this content within a mediawiki install
>>
>> 3) We have made a bunch of changes to formatting, such as removing the
>> logo, to make it compliant with WP practice and style. You can see an
>> example on MDWiki in the infobox here
>> <https://mdwiki.org/wiki/Neglected_tropical_diseases>.
>>
>> My question to the movement is are their communities interested in using
>> this technology? There are about 4,000 of these graphs
>> <https://owidm.wmcloud.org/charts>. We of course will also need to
>> develop a framework for translation.
>>
>> Best
>> --
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>> MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
>>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Sanctions against the Russian Federation; support for Ukrainian Wikimedians

[James Heilman]

Have proposed that EN Wikipedia adopt a logo in support of Ukraine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Switching_our_logo_to_one_in_support_of_Ukraine

James

On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 3:53 PM Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 at 22:20, Valentin Nefedov
>  wrote:
>
> > More than 70 Russian Wikipedians wrote open letter to us on our village
> pump
> > where they condemned the invasion
>
> This is really heartening. I am pleased - but not in the east
> surprised - to see the signatories include several people I count as
> friends.
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Sanctions against the Russian Federation; support for Ukrainian Wikimedians

[James Heilman]

I wonder if a banner raising awareness regarding the existence of offline
apps specifically Kiwix for when communication goes down would be useful?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.kiwix.kiwixmobile=en_CA=US

We also have Internet in a Box, with instruction on how to build your own
here

https://mdwiki.org/wiki/WikiProjectMed:Internet-in-a-Box

James

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> +1 on the "what can we all do to help?" question. On the VPN topic, I
> suspect the functionary teams will be pretty open to granting IPBE for
> folks editing from that region.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IP_block_exemption#Used_for_anonymous_proxy_editing
> has details if anyone needs it.
>
> – Molly White (GorillaWarfare)
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[Wikimedia-l] Our World in Data (OWID)

[James Heilman]

We at Wiki Project Med are working to get Our World in Data (OWID) working
within a mediawiki environment.

1) We have created a mirror of their website on WMF servers
<https://owidm.wmcloud.org/grapher/interventions-ntds-sdgs>. Hopefully this
has allowed us to address security and privacy concerns.

2) We have created an extension
<https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OurWorldInDataMirror> that allows
the use of this content within a mediawiki install

3) We have made a bunch of changes to formatting, such as removing the
logo, to make it compliant with WP practice and style. You can see an
example on MDWiki in the infobox here
<https://mdwiki.org/wiki/Neglected_tropical_diseases>.

My question to the movement is are their communities interested in using
this technology? There are about 4,000 of these graphs
<https://owidm.wmcloud.org/charts>. We of course will also need to develop
a framework for translation.

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[Wikimedia-l] Wiki Project Med Foundation report for 2021

[James Heilman]

Hey All

The activity and financial report for Wiki Project Med Foundation can be
found here https://mdwiki.org/wiki/WikiProjectMed:WMMED/Reports/2021

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are we losing our readers?

[James Heilman]

Well the story around Osmosis has further details... They released their
first 300 or so vidoes under an open license and they were within Wikipedia
articles for a while. You can still see them on Commons here:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Videos_from_Osmosis

A number of folks pushed exceedingly hard for their removal. And thus they
are no longer in EN WP. How extensively they were viewed we do not know as
we have no way to determine that data. Our only data for videos is if the
portion of the page they are on is loaded or not, and not if the play
button has been pressed or how much of the video was watched.

Following the breakdown of our collaboration with Osmosis they dropped the
use of an open license, and all their subsequent material is fully
copyrighted. Just a few weeks back they sold themselves to Elsevier...

Now one of the legitimate criticisms of these videos is that they were not
easily collaboratively editable. We have built software to make
collaborative editing of video easier. Unfortunately currently it is down
and we are needing to find a programmer able and willing to fix it, we at
Wiki Project Med do not have much funding available...

https://mdwiki.org/wiki/WikiProjectMed:VideoWiki

James



On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 4:53 PM Juergen Fenn  wrote:

> Thanks, James. I think this is an important point. So we could say we
> have lost a part of acedemia.
>
> More to the point, we seem to have failed to integrate course materials
> and multimedia formats into Wikipedia articles.
>
> Could we try and create some of these and integrate them into articles
> relevant to students in oder to test whether this makes a difference to
> them? Or do you think they would stick to Osmosis etc. anyway?
>
> Best regards,
> Jürgen.
>
> Am 08.01.22 um 00:38 Uhr schrieb James Heilman:
> > With respect to some anecdotal evidence, I have for many years asked the
> > medical students who work with me on their clinical rotations how they
> > study. I get a few passes through my department a month.
> >
> >  Most reported using Wikipedia 5 to 10 years back. Now sources like
> > Osmosis, which are basically short video overviews with questions banks
> > attached, are more commonly mentioned. Video is becoming a more common
> > way for younger folks to learn.
> >
> > James
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 3:55 PM Mohamed ElGohary  > <mailto:ircpresid...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > "Is the traffic measured where content is read" would be a better
> > way of putting it.
> >
> > --
> > Gohary (ircpresident)
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 12:52 AM Juergen Fenn  > <mailto:jf...@gmx.net>> wrote:
> >
> > Anders raised the question how this relates to "smarter"
> > machine-created
> > traffic. Do we know more about this?
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Jürgen.
> >
> > Am 07.01.22 um 21:45 Uhr schrieb James Heilman:
> > > Have been tracking medical pageviews for EN WP for more than
> > 10 years.
> > > It appears our readership peaked around 2014, there was a bump
> > during
> > > the pandemic, and now the fall in pageviews is
> > continuing again... This
> > > despite much of our pageviews for medicine continuing to be
> > related to
> > > the pandemic.
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png
> > <
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png
> >
> > >
> > <
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png
> > <
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png
> >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages
> > <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages
> >
> > >
> > <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages
> > <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages
> >>
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 11:09 AM Toni Ristovski
> > mailto:toni91ehrl...@gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:toni91ehrl...@gmail.com
> &

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are we losing our readers?

[James Heilman]

With respect to some anecdotal evidence, I have for many years asked the
medical students who work with me on their clinical rotations how they
study. I get a few passes through my department a month.

 Most reported using Wikipedia 5 to 10 years back. Now sources like
Osmosis, which are basically short video overviews with questions banks
attached, are more commonly mentioned. Video is becoming a more common way
for younger folks to learn.

James

On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 3:55 PM Mohamed ElGohary 
wrote:

> "Is the traffic measured where content is read" would be a better way of
> putting it.
>
> --
> Gohary (ircpresident)
>
> On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 12:52 AM Juergen Fenn  wrote:
>
>> Anders raised the question how this relates to "smarter" machine-created
>> traffic. Do we know more about this?
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Jürgen.
>>
>> Am 07.01.22 um 21:45 Uhr schrieb James Heilman:
>> > Have been tracking medical pageviews for EN WP for more than 10 years.
>> > It appears our readership peaked around 2014, there was a bump during
>> > the pandemic, and now the fall in pageviews is continuing again... This
>> > despite much of our pageviews for medicine continuing to be related to
>> > the pandemic.
>> >
>> >
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png
>> > <
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages
>> > <
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages
>> >
>> >
>> > James
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 11:09 AM Toni Ristovski > > <mailto:toni91ehrl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Additionally, pandemic 2020 with a lot of lockdowns makes many
>> > people commit to different activities, among them starting editing
>> > on Wikipedia or reading more. Basically, in my opinion it is better
>> > to compare with 2019 numbers. Also, it will be useful to have some
>> > kind of survey about this which can give us a better overview of
>> > these data.
>> >
>> > As I`m editor and admin on Macedonian Wikipedia, I was quite
>> > surprised that our Wikipedia actually continues to grow in terms of
>> > reading and having a stable editing base.
>> >
>> > All the best,
>> > Toni
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 6:52 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
>> > mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > There's another option: the 2020 pandemic lockdowns made a huge
>> > peak on views, so year on year, 2021 has worse results.
>> >
>> > 2022(e)ko urt. 7(a) 18:41 erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (Anders
>> > Wennersten > > <mailto:m...@anderswennersten.se>>):
>> >
>> > When I look at statistics for mature wikipedias: en, de pl,
>> > nl they all
>> > show a decrease of views of 13-15% in last 12 months from a
>> > year ago,
>> > and number of active editors down 10- 20 % (with exception
>> > of en).
>> >
>> > Has this been analysed somewhere, are we losing our readers
>> and
>> > contributors or is it mostly Google that access our info
>> > "smarter" not
>> > creating "views"
>> >
>> > Anders
>> >
>> > https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/de.wikipedia.org
>> > <https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/de.wikipedia.org>
>> >
>> > https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org
>> > <https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org>
>> >
>> > https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/nl.wikipedia.org
>> > <https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/nl.wikipedia.org>
>> >
>> > https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/pl.wikipedia.org
>> > <https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/pl.wikipedia.org>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are we losing our readers?

[James Heilman]

Have been tracking medical pageviews for EN WP for more than 10 years. It
appears our readership peaked around 2014, there was a bump during the
pandemic, and now the fall in pageviews is continuing again... This despite
much of our pageviews for medicine continuing to be related to the pandemic.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages

James

On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 11:09 AM Toni Ristovski 
wrote:

> Additionally, pandemic 2020 with a lot of lockdowns makes many
> people commit to different activities, among them starting editing on
> Wikipedia or reading more. Basically, in my opinion it is better to compare
> with 2019 numbers. Also, it will be useful to have some kind of survey
> about this which can give us a better overview of these data.
>
> As I`m editor and admin on Macedonian Wikipedia, I was quite surprised
> that our Wikipedia actually continues to grow in terms of reading and
> having a stable editing base.
>
> All the best,
> Toni
>
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 6:52 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
> galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There's another option: the 2020 pandemic lockdowns made a huge peak on
>> views, so year on year, 2021 has worse results.
>>
>> 2022(e)ko urt. 7(a) 18:41 erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (Anders Wennersten
>> ):
>>
>> When I look at statistics for mature wikipedias: en, de pl, nl they all
>> show a decrease of views of 13-15% in last 12 months from a year ago,
>> and number of active editors down 10- 20 % (with exception of en).
>>
>> Has this been analysed somewhere, are we losing our readers and
>> contributors or is it mostly Google that access our info "smarter" not
>> creating "views"
>>
>> Anders
>>
>> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/de.wikipedia.org
>>
>> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org
>>
>> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/nl.wikipedia.org
>>
>> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/pl.wikipedia.org
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Translating Wikipedia articles

[James Heilman]

Hey Ziko

We have moved our medical translation efforts, such that MDWiki is our
starting point.

https://mdwiki.org/wiki/WikiProjectMed:Translation_task_force

1) We have also encountered a reference template issue with CTX but have
built a work around. Our issue appears to relate to  and the
same reference being used multiple times. What we do is we simply expand
all the metadata for each instance of the reference before feeding the text
into CTX. And then we have a bot that shortens all the instances of a
reference back to one.

2) One of the benefits of using MDWiki is it allows us to keep references
in the lead and use language that is easier to understand, but not be
forced to use language as easy as Simple English. It has also allowed us to
automatically generate a leaderboard to track progress and impact of our
translation efforts. Additionally we only encourage people to translate the
leads as that is only that has been medically checked for accuracy.
https://mdwiki.toolforge.org/Translation_Dashboard/leaderboard.php

Best
James



On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 5:34 AM Andreas Kolbe  wrote:

> Thanks, Ziko. Does anyone use Simple English Wikipedia as a basis for
> their translations?
>
> I reckon DeepL – which is by far the best machine translation program
> around, in the languages it covers – might do an even better job with those
> (provided the Simple English article is itself of good quality, and worth
> translating).
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Paid editing in Bulgarian Wikipedia?

[James Heilman]

I personally am more concerned about paid conflict of interest editing and
much less concerned about paid non conflict of interest work. This appears
on superficial overview to be the latter. Will be interested to see how
this experiment turns out.

James

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 9:47 AM Mrb Rafi  wrote:

> Hello all!
>
> I became confused watching this [1] job post on Upwork with the title
> "Create 20 pages in the Bulgarian Wikipedia". The client offered 30 USD for
> this task.
> The job post says:
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *This is a small experimental project. The goal is to check if people on
>> Upwork.com can help grow the Bulgarian Wikipedia in a quality way. I also
>> wish to *not* cannibalize edits that would have happened anyway. The
>> created content will be in the public domain. It's a gift to all
>> Bulgarians. We follow all the values, guidelines and rules valid on the
>> Bulgarian WIkipedia: https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>> <https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/>Уикипедия:Поведение . This includes
>> following the specific wiki syntax and the usual expectations of all pages,
>> especially good sources and categorization of the page. Some experience
>> editing Wikipedia is desired, but not required. Since these are supposed to
>> be net new edits, I will prefer people who have fewer than 100 Wikipedia
>> edits so far. Due to this social benefit, the proposed price is far below
>> market price. As Bulgarians say, the payment is symbolic. For this
>> experiment, I've selected 20 articles that exist in the English Wikipedia,
>> but don't yet exist in the Bulgarian Wikipedia. That gives you the option
>> to use Wikipedia's translation tool, which may make your work much faster
>> and more pleasant: Please note that the translation tool has some specifics
>> that take time to get used to, e.g., adding references, representing other
>> alphabets -- I can help with such issues. The list of proposed articles is
>> here: https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>> <https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/>Потребител:Cryout/Чрез_ЪпУърк I hope you
>> will enjoy this variety of content. Still, the list is negotiable and we
>> can swap articles in and out per your preference. *
>>
>
> Is it going in the right way? I'm a Lil' bit confused.
> Besides this, you'll get tons of paid editing job posts on Upwork,
> freelancer and other freelance networks. At first, I used to report these
> posts but there are so many of them that it's not possible for me to find
> all of them and report them.
>
> [1] https://www.upwork.com/jobs/~01371a50692d0540d0
>
> Best regards,
> Rafi
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Foundation Board: good-byes and welcomes

[James Heilman]

Thank you

I wish all the best to the oncoming trustees. The Wikimedia Foundation is
in a strong position. We have an excellent CEO in the process of joining, a
strategic direction, and a vibrant community. While there are going to
be challenges in the future I have confidence that the individuals and
processes we have in place will do an excellent job in meeting them. It has
been a pleasure to have been on the board these last number of years and I
look forward to seeing folks around the movement.

James Heilman
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On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 12:53 PM RhinosF1 -  wrote:

> Thanks to James & Lisa for their service and good luck to the new
> appointees.
>
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 at 19:45, Nataliia Tymkiv 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> The Board has appointed the three new community-selected trustees, so
>> please join me in welcoming Victoria Doronina [1], Lorenzo Losa, and Rosie
>> Stephenson-Goodknight to the Board of Trustees [2] [3] [4]. I would also
>> like to congratulate Dariusz Jemielniak on his re-appointment to the Board
>> [5]. Their terms will run from October 13, 2021 -- November 1, 2024. You
>> can read more about the new trustees in a blog post here [6].
>>
>>
>> I thank all of those who participated in the most recent selection
>> process -- the candidates
>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2021/Candidates#Candidate_Table>,
>> the election volunteers, the Elections Committee, Foundation staff and the
>> thousands of Wikimedians who voted.
>>
>> I would also like to take this opportunity to thank the trustees who are
>> rotating off the Board, James Heilman and Lisa Lewin. Serving on the
>> Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees is deeply fulfilling but it is also
>> challenging. I am appreciative of all of the work James and Lisa have done
>> over the years -- the late nights, the weekends, and countless emails and
>> calls. Thank you for your time and dedication.
>>
>> James, who has served for five years, has been Chair of the Special
>> Projects Committee, and under his lead, for example, the Onboarding plan
>> for Incoming Trustees was developed. He has also been a liaison to the
>> Language and the Affiliations Committees, and has served on other Board
>> committees such as the Audit, Board Governance, Product, and Community
>> Affairs. James’s term ended today, October 13, 2021.
>>
>> Lisa, who has been on the Board for three years, has been Chair of the
>> Board Governance Committee and has also served on the Human Resources
>> Committee. Lisa’s governance experience has helped to strengthen the
>> Board’s operating procedures and she has kept the board focused at the
>> strategic level, under her lead, for example, the board has started to
>> implement recommendations from the Governance Review [7]. Lisa’s term ends
>> November 1, 2021.
>>
>> On a personal note: getting off the Board also means having more free
>> time, and to fight the withdrawal symptoms of volunteering one’s time to
>> Wikimedia (even though mostly to governance work in practice as a trustee),
>> I cannot recommend enough to just embark on a journey of #100wikidays [8]
>> in a wikiproject -- it can definitely help!
>>
>> On a more serious note: many thanks to the Trustees -- incoming,
>> continuing, and outgoing -- for their work and commitment.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> antanana / Nataliia Tymkiv
>> Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
>>
>> [1] Due to some background checks still not being completed, Victoria’s
>> term officially will start in a few days. The Board resolution on
>> appointment will be effective as soon as the full background check is
>> complete and clean. But the end term will be the same for everyone.
>>
>> [2]
>>
>>
>> https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Appointing_Victoria_Doronina_to_the_Board_of_Trustees
>>
>> [3]
>> https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Appointing_Lorenzo_Losa_to_the_Board_of_Trustees
>>
>>
>> [4]
>> https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Appointing_Rosie_Stephenson-Goodknight_to_the_Board_of_Trustees
>>
>>
>> [5]
>> https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Renewing_Dariusz_Jemielniak%E2%80%99s_Appointment_to_the_Board_of_Trustees,_2021
>>
>>
>> [6]
>> https://diff.wikimedia.org/2021/10/13/wikimedia-foundation-welcomes-new-trustees-rosie-stephenson-goodknight-victoria-doronina-dariusz-jemielniak-and-lorenzo-losa/
>>  [7]
>>
>> https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Board_Ver

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Results for the most contended Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election

[James Heilman]

Not sure paying membership is a requirement for direct elections. Wiki
Project Med Foundation has elections but free membership (one just
needs to be an active editor in good standing or otherwise involved).

James

On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 5:46 PM Leo Z  wrote:
>
> Wikimedia Foundation is not a membership-based organization, you don’t pay a 
> membership dues like those of many professional organizations. Henceforth, it 
> is theoretically cannot be an election which would not be legally enforceable 
> without registered voting members, that’s paying members with verified 
> identity. The community wide voting is structured to function like an 
> election, and I have no doubt the board of trustee will follow established 
> convention on this matter.
>
> Hope this clear some of your confusion.
>
> Best,
> Leo
> On Sep 11, 2021, 11:25 PM +0800, Andy Mabbett , 
> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 7 Sept 2021 at 19:16, Tito Dutta  wrote:
>
> My good wishes to all the newly selected board members of Wikimedia 
> Foundation.
>
>
> AIUI, they are not yet board members, nor are they guaranteed to be.
> The Trust's bylaws[1] state, at Article IV, Section 3(C) (my
> **emphasis**):
>
> (iii) The Board will appoint candidates who are **nominated**
> through this process, subject to Article IV, Section 3(A), and other
> provisions of these Bylaws. In the event that a candidate is selected
> who does not meet the requirements of Article IV, Section 3(A) or
> other requirements of these Bylaws, or of applicable state or federal
> law, the Board will (a) **not appoint the candidate**, (b) declare a
> vacancy on the Board, and (c) fill the resulting vacancy, subject to
> this Section 3 and to Article IV, Section 6 below.
>
> while Article IV, Section 3(A) says:
>
> (i) The Board shall be composed of Trustees with a diverse set of
> talents, experience, backgrounds, and competencies that will best
> fulfill the mission and needs of the Foundation, **as determined by
> the Board**. The Board is committed to promoting diversity and
> inclusion both in terms of trustee composition and in other aspects of
> its work.
>
> Together, these seem to give the Board the option to "determine" that
> the "nominated" individuals would not create a board with "a diverse
> set of talents, experience, backgrounds, and competencies" and to
> reject one or more of them.
>
> Furthermore, it seems to make a lie of the claim [2] that "Members of
> the Wikimedia community have the opportunity to elect four candidates
> to a three-year term.", if, in fact, we merely "nominate" people for
> the Board to consider.
>
> I'd like to think I'm wrong. Can anyone show me how I am?
>
>
> [1] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bylaws
>
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2021
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Results for the most contended Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election

[James Heilman]

Congrats to the 4 winners. Looking forward to you taking on your roles
on the board :-)

James

On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 2:52 PM Ad Huikeshoven  wrote:
>
> For starters, I would like to thank outgoing board members DocJames and 
> Raystorm for their service to the community by dedicating a lot of time on 
> board meetings, processing tons of mail, and so on.
>
> Mario, you are right. An increase in the number of seats will increase the 
> diversity given a representative election system such as (Meek) STV.
> On meta you can find a table of the outcome of the election when varying the 
> available seats from 1 to 8.[1]
>
> In case 8 seats were available both Elina en Iván would have also been 
> elected, adding to the much wanted increase in diversity, in whatever way you 
> look at these two people. Electing 4 seats now, and 4 seats next year doesn't 
> help in increasing the diversity using a representative election system. 
> Against electing all seats at once is the argument for continuity and to 
> limit board turnover. Maybe we should lean more on appointed seats for 
> continuity, or as Chris Keating has suggested, select community sourced board 
> members from this year's election. However Nat and Shani didn't run this 
> year, and they might seek reelection next year. I wish the board a lot of 
> wisdom and strength regarding balancing multiple values.
>
> This is good news for what is next. What is next? Election of 7 seats in the 
> Movement Charter Drafting Committee (MCDC). Given the analysis of the board 
> election and the availability of 7 seats in the election, I am confident the 
> election outcome will show a lot of diversity. Later 6 persons will be 
> appointed by affiliates, and another 2 by the WMF. The elections and the 
> appointments will come from the same pool of self-nominations.[2] The MCDC 
> will most likely institute a Global Council with a lot of room at the table - 
> some say 40 to 60 seats, others over a 100, we will see -  to accommodate the 
> diversity of our movement.
>
> There are already over 40 candidates for the MCDC. Compliments to the people 
> who have recruited so many nominations from the continent of Africa. So far 
> no one nominated themselves from East Asia. How can we recruit nominations 
> from that region? Without any of them in the pool, it is hard to elect or 
> appoint someone.
>
> The period of self-nomination closes in 5 days!
>
> Regards,
>
> Ad Huikeshoven
>
> [1] 
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2021/Votes
> [2] 
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Charter/Drafting_Committee/Candidates
>
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 1:22 PM Mario Gómez  wrote:
>
>> Also, rather than focusing on how different voting schemes would have 
>> affected some candidates to be one position up or down, wider diversity and 
>> representativity could be achieved by just electing 8 seats from community 
>> elections.
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[Wikimedia-l] 2020 Annual Report for Wiki Project Med

[James Heilman]

Hey All

The annual report for 2020 for Wiki Project Med Foundation can be found here

https://mdwiki.org/wiki/WikiProjectMed:WMMED/Reports/2020

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing VideoCutTool version 0.4

[James Heilman]

Gopa thank you for all your work on this. Will definitely make working with
video easier :-)

James

On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 12:07 PM Gopa Vasanth 
wrote:

> Hello folks!
>
> We are excited to announce the release of version 0.4 of VideoCutTool
> <https://videocuttool.wmflabs.org/> [1].
> VideoCutTool helps users to edit videos in commons and also converts MP4
> videos on the user's device to Wikimedia Commons accepted formats (i.e
> WebM/OGV) and upload/re-upload them to Commons on-the-fly.
>
> In the last few years, we have been tirelessly working to improve our tool
> and we believe that VideoCutTool will help you enjoy your video editing
> experience! Special thanks to our team Pratik Shetty, Hassan Amin, James
> Heilman, Jayprakash, and all the volunteers for their contributions!
>
>
> *About VideoCutTool*VideoCutTool is a video editing tool that helps to
> provide various types of editing processes on videos that are currently in
> Wikimedia Commons and also the videos present in the user devices. It is
> deployed on Wikimedia VPS. Cropping, Trimming, Audio Disabling, and
> Rotating are the current features of the tool. From the tool, the edited
> videos can be either downloaded or re-upload to Wikimedia Commons.
> VideoCutTool work's similar to the CropTool
> <https://croptool.toolforge.org/> [2]. More info about the tool is
> available on Commons: VideoCutTool
> <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:VideoCutTool> [3].
>
> VideoCutTool is also available as a gadget in Wikimedia Commons, You can
> turn it on from Preferences -> Gadgets -> Check on VideoCutTool -> Save!
>
> Try out VideoCutTol from here: https://videocuttool.wmflabs.org/
>
> *Changes in version 0.4*
>
>- Support of i18n - Localisation and Internalisation.
>- Optional Dark mode - handy to use!
>- Mobile responsiveness.
>- Fixes to various minor bugs.
>
> If you notice any bugs or want to request any feature please feel free to
> open a ticket in phabricator and add the tag #videocuttool to the same, Our
> phabricator workboard is here:
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/videocuttool/ [4].
>
> [1] https://videocuttool.wmflabs.org/
> [2] https://croptool.toolforge.org/
> [3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:VideoCutTool
> [4] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/videocuttool/
>
>
> Regards
>
> Gopa Vasanth <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Gopavasanth>
> Amrita Vishwa Vidyapeetham <http://www.amrita.edu/> | Blog
> <https://gopavasanth.wordpress.com/>
> amFOSS <https://amfoss.in/@gopavasanth> | GitHub
> <https://github.com/gopavasanth> | Gerrit
> <https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/gopavasanth>
>
> “Yesterday is not ours to recover, but tomorrow is ours to win or lose.”
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New collaboration with the World Health Organization

[James Heilman]

An amazing partnership. Great to see the work of so many volunteers over so
many years resulting in a huge step forwards :-) And thank you to the WHO
for joining the free and open access medical community.

J

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 8:00 AM Subhashish  wrote:

> Thanks for sharing this, Jorge. This is a news that is positive but not
> the scary kind! WHO resources have been already used widely across
> communities and have helped create localized resources. This initiative
> will strengthen many Wikipedias and Wikimedia projects across the movement.
>
> Subhashish
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 7:02 PM Jorge Vargas 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Following up on my earlier thread about this, we are excited to announce
>> a new collaboration between the Wikimedia Foundation and the World Health
>> Organization (WHO). The collaboration will initially focus on releasing WHO
>> content such as public-health related infographics, videos, and other
>> COVID-19 resources under a free license (CC BY SA 3.0) to be shared on
>> Wikimedia Commons. We are hopeful that these resources will be useful for
>> volunteers writing about COVID-19 across language wikis and further expand
>> access to knowledge about the pandemic to people around the world.
>>
>> You  can read more about the collaboration announcement in the press
>> release we published earlier today [1], and see the first batch of content
>> uploads from WHO on Wikimedia Commons [2]. If you want to help share the
>> collaboration news on social media, please retweet the Foundation’s account
>> [3] or share your own post using this toolkit [4].
>>
>> I want to give a major thank you and shout out to the volunteers
>> (including Doc James, Dr. Netha Hussain, John Cummings, and many others)
>> who have been moving these conversations with WHO forward for years, as
>> well as to the many Wikimedians providing accurate and relevant coverage of
>> COVID-19 on the projects that this collaboration hopes to support. We are
>> so excited to finally reach this milestone with WHO.
>>
>> In the coming months, Alex Stinson, from our Community Programs team,
>> will be working with volunteers to continue sharing details of the WHO
>> content available on Commons and collaborating with volunteers to
>> understand how WHO resources might help address information needs and gaps
>> about COVID-19 on the projects. We need your help identifying the most
>> useful content. Please join us on the project page on Commons to request
>> WHO materials, and ask questions or give feedback on the project [5].
>>
>> We are excited to celebrate this important achievement in making more
>> knowledge about COVID-19 freely available to everyone in such a critical
>> time in the world. Thank you to all who made this possible!
>>
>> Feel free to reach out on this thread or to Alex and I directly in case
>> you have further questions about this collaboration.
>>
>> Jorge Vargas
>> Sr. Manager, Regional Partnerships
>>
>> [1]
>> https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2020/10/22/world-health-organization-and-wikimedia-foundation-expand-access/
>>
>> [2]
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:World_Health_Organization_COVID-19_Disinformation_Infographics
>>
>> [3] https://twitter.com/Wikimedia/status/1319263874303037442
>>
>> [4]
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SCc0uXewzL5CUD2JPQYSYIDs3B63KxdLjprSBsn4kvA/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> [5] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:World_Health_Organization
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 11:41 AM Zana Strkovska <777.z...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The same video translated on Macedonian language is on national
>>> television
>>> in my country several days already.
>>> Regards,
>>> Zana
>>>
>>> On Thu, 12 Mar 2020, 19:30 James Heilman,  wrote:
>>>
>>> > I have been asking WHO to release COVID19 content (specially videos)
>>> under
>>> > open licenses since since Feb 2020.
>>> >
>>> > I have spoke with Aleksandra Kuzmanovic who has been involved in their
>>> > collaboration with Facebook and Twitter etc.
>>> >
>>> > They say maybe. But despite a bunch of follow up emails have not
>>> seemed too
>>> > keen. It is really a lost opportunity for both of us :-(
>>> >
>>> > James
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 9:47 AM Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l <
>>> > wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
>&

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Clinic #006 digest posted; #007 taking place

[James Heilman]

Thanks for these clinics. An amazing initiative.

J

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 7:05 AM Asaf Bartov  wrote:

> Dear Wikimedians,
>
> I have posted the digest for Wikimedia Clinic #006, which was held in
> Spanish.[1]  An English version of the digest is also available[2], to
> allow non-Spanish speakers to benefit from the summary too.  I encourage
> those of you interested in hearing some voices from our Spanish- (and
> Catalan-) speaking communities to read the digest.
>
> In a few hours, at 17:30 (5:30pm) UTC, we will be having Wikimedia Clinic
> #007, at this link[3].  The call today would have a demonstration by Amir
> Sarabadani of a new tool for gathering statistics about media usage, but
> will as always also welcome whatever Wikimedia-related topics attendees
> want to bring on.
>
> PLEASE NOTE: experimentally, this call will take place using Jitsi.
> Desktop/laptop computers can connect directly via the link[3] but if you
> want to connect using a mobile device (phone or tablet) you will need to
> download the Jitsi app[4] first and use that to connect via the link[3].
>
>A.
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Clinics/006
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Clinics/006/en
> [3] https://meet.wmcloud.org/WikimediaClinic007
> [4] https://jitsi.org/downloads/
>
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[Wikimedia-l] 2019 Report of Wikimedia Medicine

[James Heilman]

Hey All

Here is the annual report for Wikimedia Medicine for 2019

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMMED/Reports/2019

If people have questions let me know.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New essay on the ambiguity of NC licenses

[James Heilman]

Yes one of the stronger reasons to reject all use of the NC license is that
it increases incentives for other organizations to actually adopt open
licenses. I simply wish that such a position would convince more
organizations. WHO has repeatedly told me that we, as a non-profit, are
already free to use their work and if we chose not to, that is on us.

James

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 6:19 PM Erik Moeller  wrote:

> Hi James :)
>
> (This is my last reply for today, given the recommended posting limit
> on this list.)
>
> > We all agree that NC licenses are exceedingly poor due to the reasons
> > listed, yet we leave a lot of useful content (such as Khan academy
> videos)
> > less accessible to our readers because we disallow any such use.
>
> I completely agree. I'm wondering if efforts have been made at the WMF
> or chapter level to partner with these organizations on new
> initiatives, where a more permissive license could be used? This could
> perhaps help to introduce CC-BY-SA/CC-BY to orgs like Khan Academy,
> and help lay the groundwork for potentially changing their default
> license.
>
> > This is a balance between pragmatism and idealism.
>
> I disagree with your framing here. There are many pragmatic reasons to
> want to build a knowledge commons with uniform expectations for how it
> can be built upon and re-used. It's also pragmatic to be careful about
> altering the incentive structure for contributors. Right now,
> Wikimedia Commons hosts millions of contributions under permissive
> licenses. How many of those folks would have chosen an "exceedingly
> poor" (your words) option like NC, if that was available? And if a
> nonfree carve-out is limited to organizations like Khan Academy, how
> is such a carve-out fair and equitable to contributors who have, in
> some cases, given up potential commercial revenue to contribute to
> Wikimedia projects?
>
> If a license is "exceedingly poor" and harmful to the goals of the
> free culture movement, incorporating more information under such terms
> strikes me as neither idealistic nor pragmatic -- it would just be
> short-sighted.
>
> Warmly,
> Erik
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New essay on the ambiguity of NC licenses

[James Heilman]

We all agree that NC licenses are exceedingly poor due to the reasons
listed, yet we leave a lot of useful content (such as Khan academy videos)
less accessible to our readers because we disallow any such use. Fair use
has the same issues, in that fair use is decided on a cases by case basis.
And I would argue that allowing fair use on EN WP brings a lot less benefit
to our users than would allowing NC videos or images.

This is a balance between pragmatism and idealism. We IMO should not let
striving for perfection prevent us from taking steps towards becoming more
useful. Do the majority of our users care if the videos we contain are only
fully openly licensed, would they be upset to see CC BY SA NC videos? I
doubt it, and for the small minority that do we just need to clearly mark
things.

I and others have tried for over 10 years to convince both Khan and the
World Health Organization to adopt open licenses. They have decided to
stick to using NC.
James

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 4:52 PM Kat Walsh  wrote:

> This was brought up during the 4.0 drafting process, but it was
> ultimately rejected:
>
>
> https://creativecommons.org/2012/08/29/ongoing-discussions-noncommercial-and-noderivatives/
>
> We also proposed renaming NC to "Commercial Rights Reserved" to make
> it clearer what NC does, but that too had insufficient support.
>
> https://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/cc-community/2012-December/008087.html
>
> I'm not sure what the current attitudes are at CC but I think it's no
> more likely than before.
>
> -Kat
>
> > Is there any way we could convince CC to deprecate the useless -NC
> licenses?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mike
> >
> > > On 11 Jul 2020, at 22:59, Erik Moeller  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi folks,
> > >
> > > Pete Forsyth wrote a new essay on the ambiguities of the NonCommercial
> > > ("non-commercial use only") provision in Creative Commons licenses,
> > > which I wanted to share in case it's helpful for folks making the case
> > > against using NC to cultural institutions or others (or in the
> > > occasionally resurgent debate to permit NC within Wikimedia):
> > >
> > >
> https://freedomdefined.org/The_non-commercial_provision_obfuscates_intent
> > >
> > > It argues that NC is so ambiguous in its defining restriction that it
> > > almost defeats the point of attaching a CC license at all. I feel this
> > > complements the longer (dated!) essay at
> > > https://freedomdefined.org/Licenses/NC nicely.
> > >
> > > Warmly,
> > >
> > > Erik
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ombuds Commission - minor request for consistency in the name

[James Heilman]

Sounds perfectly reasonable in my opinion. Have started discussion here

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ombudsman_commission

J

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 11:15 AM Fæ  wrote:

> Dear WMF Board members,
>
> The Ombuds Commission acts on your behalf as part of the movements
> governance processes and it is, therefore, the WMF board that
> authorizes Ombuds policies. The Wikimedia project systems and policies
> for the commission were established many years ago with rare
> amendments since, and are not harmonized on the use of the word
> "ombuds". For example, though the email contact group uses "ombuds",
> the detailed policy page on Meta uses "ombudsman" and refers to
> members of the group as "ombudsmen". As a gender-neutral form is in
> common International English and American English usage and is already
> used in some places and not others, can the WMF board agree that the
> gender-neutral term is desirable in line with the goals of the
> Wikimedia Foundation strategy and should be applied systematically?
>
> With your agreement, this would then harmonize in the names of email
> groups, the group name configured into the system on Meta and the
> wording of policies, and help avoid an accidental bias towards
> identifying ombuds members as men. As this is a question of
> harmonization, rather than a change in process, policy or scope, this
> is a style issue rather than a change that required a resolution or a
> community RfC.
>
> For those unaware, the Ombuds Commission "investigates complaints
> about infringements of the Privacy Policy, the Access to nonpublic
> personal data policy, the CheckUser policy and the oversight policy on
> any Wikimedia project for the Board of Trustees. They also investigate
> for the Board the compliance of local CheckUser or Oversight policies
> or guidelines with the global CheckUser and Oversight policies."[1]
>
> Links:
> 1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ombudsman_commission
> 2. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:GlobalUsers/ombudsman
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid API?

[James Heilman]

Further details are forthcoming from WMF staff.

J

On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 1:42 PM James Heilman  wrote:

> Was discussed here
>
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Iteration_1/Revenue_Streams/1
>
> and
>
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Iteration_1/Revenue_Streams/1
>
> James
>
> On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 1:37 PM Yair Rand  wrote:
>
>> The strategy recommendations include the text: "Explore fees or
>> sustainability models for enterprise-scale commercial reusers, taking care
>> to avoid revenue dependencies or other undue external influence in product
>> design and development. / Develop appropriate safeguards to ensure
>> continued free, unrestricted access for non-commercial, research, and
>> small
>> to moderate commercial use." Earlier versions elaborate somewhat, and
>> there
>> were considerable reservations expressed about the idea during the
>> process.
>>
>> It is quite concerning.
>>
>> -- Yair Rand
>>
>> ‫בתאריך יום א׳, 14 ביוני 2020 ב-14:33 מאת ‪Amir Sarabadani‬‏ <‪
>> ladsgr...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬
>>
>> > Hello,
>> > Today I stumbled upon this public phabricator ticket [1] created by
>> someone
>> > from WMF starting with:
>> > "My team is creating bi-weekly HTML Dumps for all of the wikis, except
>> for
>> > wikidata as part of the paid API project."
>> >
>> > I have so many questions:
>> >  - What is the "paid API" project? Are we planning to make money out of
>> our
>> > API? Now are we selling our dumps?
>> >  - If so, why is this not communicated before? Why are we kept in the
>> dark?
>> >  - Does the board know and approve it?
>> >  - How is this going to align with our core values like openness and
>> > transparency?
>> >  - The ticket implicitly says these are going to be stored on AWS ("S3
>> > bucket"). Is this thought through? Specially the ethical problems of
>> > feeding Jeff Bezos' empire? (If you have seen this episode of Hasan
>> > Minhaj's on ethical issues of using AWS [2]). Why can't we do/host this
>> on
>> > Wikimedia infrastructure? Has this been evaluated?
>> >  - Why is the community not consulted about this?
>> >
>> > Maybe I missed announcements, consultations or anything, forgive me for
>> my
>> > ignorance. Any pointers is enough. I also understand diversifying our
>> > revenue is a good tool for rainy days but a consultation with the
>> community
>> > wouldn't be too bad.
>> >
>> > [1]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T254275
>> > [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5maXvZ5fyQY
>> >
>> > Best
>> > --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid API?

[James Heilman]

Was discussed here

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Iteration_1/Revenue_Streams/1

and

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Iteration_1/Revenue_Streams/1

James

On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 1:37 PM Yair Rand  wrote:

> The strategy recommendations include the text: "Explore fees or
> sustainability models for enterprise-scale commercial reusers, taking care
> to avoid revenue dependencies or other undue external influence in product
> design and development. / Develop appropriate safeguards to ensure
> continued free, unrestricted access for non-commercial, research, and small
> to moderate commercial use." Earlier versions elaborate somewhat, and there
> were considerable reservations expressed about the idea during the process.
>
> It is quite concerning.
>
> -- Yair Rand
>
> ‫בתאריך יום א׳, 14 ביוני 2020 ב-14:33 מאת ‪Amir Sarabadani‬‏ <‪
> ladsgr...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬
>
> > Hello,
> > Today I stumbled upon this public phabricator ticket [1] created by
> someone
> > from WMF starting with:
> > "My team is creating bi-weekly HTML Dumps for all of the wikis, except
> for
> > wikidata as part of the paid API project."
> >
> > I have so many questions:
> >  - What is the "paid API" project? Are we planning to make money out of
> our
> > API? Now are we selling our dumps?
> >  - If so, why is this not communicated before? Why are we kept in the
> dark?
> >  - Does the board know and approve it?
> >  - How is this going to align with our core values like openness and
> > transparency?
> >  - The ticket implicitly says these are going to be stored on AWS ("S3
> > bucket"). Is this thought through? Specially the ethical problems of
> > feeding Jeff Bezos' empire? (If you have seen this episode of Hasan
> > Minhaj's on ethical issues of using AWS [2]). Why can't we do/host this
> on
> > Wikimedia infrastructure? Has this been evaluated?
> >  - Why is the community not consulted about this?
> >
> > Maybe I missed announcements, consultations or anything, forgive me for
> my
> > ignorance. Any pointers is enough. I also understand diversifying our
> > revenue is a good tool for rainy days but a consultation with the
> community
> > wouldn't be too bad.
> >
> > [1]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T254275
> > [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5maXvZ5fyQY
> >
> > Best
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Comment Open on U.S. Open Access Policy

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gt; scholarly publications, and news stories referenced in an article.
> > > > >
> > > > > A recently released dataset of all citations with identifiers in
> > > > Wikipedia
> > > > > found that less than half of the official versions of scholarly
> > > > > publications cited with an identifier in Wikipedia are freely
> > available
> > > > on
> > > > > the web. This chasm of for editors and for readers is a tragedy of
> > > public
> > > > > education and digital literacy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just look at the most recent global catastrophe with Coronavirus.
> By
> > > > April
> > > > > 2020 the main articles on COVID-19 had received 50 million views.
> > > > > Wikipedia's medical content--made up of more than 155,000 articles
> > and
> > > 1
> > > > > billion bytes of text across more than 255 languages--has been
> ranked
> > > as
> > > > > one of the top-3 most viewed sources for medical information on the
> > > > entire
> > > > > internet.
> > > > >
> > > > > References are essential to the public's trust in Wikipedia.
> Indeed,
> > > > > Wikipedia's medical content is supported by 757,855 references in
> > > English
> > > > > and 1,596,528 in other languages, for a total of 2,354,383 across
> all
> > > > > languages. In English 168,985 have a PMID while 261,850 do in other
> > > > > languages. This means at least 430,835 references are journal
> > articles.
> > > > >
> > > > > What happens when those journal articles lie behind a paywall? The
> > > public
> > > > > suffers from a dearth of good information to make decisions about
> > their
> > > > > lives as independent citizens and members of a global community.
> > > > >
> > > > > As founder of The Wikipedia Library, I arranged partnerships with
> > > dozens
> > > > of
> > > > > leading scholarly journals, to give Wikipedia editors free access
> to
> > > > their
> > > > > reliable content and so they would be able to do effective and
> > rigorous
> > > > > research. This time-intensive process took 6 years to amass access
> to
> > > > only
> > > > > 1/5th of the most highly regarded academic publications. Frankly,
> > > > Wikipedia
> > > > > editors--volunteers who selflessly give of their intelligence and
> > > passion
> > > > > to educate--should not have to beg and borrow to access
> > publicly-funded
> > > > > research. Readers should not hit paywalls when they are seeking
> > > > > citizen-supported knowledge.
> > > > >
> > > > > I implore you to make the bold but entirely reasonable decision and
> > > > ensure
> > > > > that taxpayers have access to the vital scientific and scholarly
> > > studies
> > > > > that they themselves fund. This is not only sensible, it is
> essential
> > > to
> > > > > civic health, societal progress, and human flourishing.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > Jake Orlowitz
> > > > > Founder of The Wikipedia Library
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---
> > > > >
> > > > > "Public Access to Peer-Reviewed Scholarly Publications, Data and
> Code
> > > > > Resulting From Federally Funded Research"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/02/19/2020-03189/request-for-information-public-access-to-peer-reviewed-scholarly-publications-data-and-code
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiProject COVID-19 (English Wikipedia) is started

[James Heilman]

Because I was on a cell phone rather than my computer. But yes lets take it
elsewhere.

James

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 4:08 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The thread was about COVID-19, not about "COVID", so no idea really why Doc
> James replied talking about something else. But I don't want to go on with
> that subject, at Pine's request. What I wanted to say about it, I've
> already said.
>
> Thanks,
> Paulo
>
> Andy Mabbett  escreveu no dia domingo,
> 15/03/2020 à(s) 22:01:
>
> > On Sun, 15 Mar 2020 at 21:07, Paulo Santos Perneta
> >  wrote:
> >
> > >> Covid is an abreviaton for coronavirus disease.
> >
> > > No, it's an abbreviation for *Coronavirus Disease 2019* [1]
> >
> > That would make "COVID-19" mean "Coronavirus Disease 2019-19".
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiProject COVID-19 (English Wikipedia) is started

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Covid is an abreviaton for coronavirus disease.

J

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 14:56 Paulo Santos Perneta 
wrote:

> Congratulations for the new project.
>
> Possibly you could start by moving the "coronavirus" pandemic articles at
> wiki.en to the proper name of the disease, COVID-19.
> No idea why the English Wikipedia insists naming this disease with the name
> of a group of virus that causes a number of other different diseases,
> instead of the WHO recognized name, providing misleading information and
> opening fertile ground to all kind of fake news and disinformation selling
> stuff for other coronavirus diseases as if it was COVID-19.
> Even worst, it's contaminating other projects, like Wikidata and Wikimedia
> Commons, with teams of wiki.en editors going there to revert anyone that
> dares to move the disease to its proper name.
>
> Please help fix this, providing accurate information, specially at a
> situation like this, is at the core of Wikipedia mission.
>
> Best,
> Paulo
>
> Tito Dutta  escreveu no dia domingo, 15/03/2020 à(s)
> 19:47:
>
> > Please read the noticeboard/talk page link as:
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_COVID-19. It
> > looks
> > like I had another noticeboard open at that time. Apologies for the wrong
> > link in the last post.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Tito Dutta
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 at 01:15, Tito Dutta  wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > > A few Wikipedians on English Wikipedia have decided to start a
> > WikiProject
> > > on COVID-19 on English Wikipedia to work more systematically and
> > > collaboratively on the subject. The WikiProject is started by
> > > [[User:Another Believer]] on 15 March, and very quickly got ~20
> > > participants and several discussions started on the talk page.
> > > Please have a look at WikiProject:
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_COVID-19
> > > Questions or comments or suggestions at:
> > >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Tito Dutta
> > > [[User:Titodutta]]
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Practical implications of Coronavirus

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Agree 100% with Risker. Now is not the time to be taking risk. I would be
much happier if a year from now we looked back and said we overreacted than
if we looked back to realize we did not react enough.

James

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 8:27 AM Rebecca O'Neill 
wrote:

> The Irish government have closed all schools, childcare facilities,
> colleges, universities and other public institutions until 29 March. The
> current advice is not to have any gatherings of 100 people, but everyone I
> had planned events with for the next month has decided to cancel/postpone
> even at a much smaller scale.
>
> On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 10:55, Dariusz Jemielniak 
> wrote:
>
> > Dear Risker,
> >
> > Many thanks for sharing - I know you're a professional in the field. This
> > is pretty much what we're doing as the WMF, and the affiliates surely can
> > follow suit.
> >
> > All universities I'm currently affiliated with (Harvard, MIT, Kozminski)
> > cancelled all classes and move to virtual meetings only, too.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > DJ "pundit"
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 00:54 Risker  wrote:
> >
> > > Regardless of what platforms people might want to use for virtual
> > meetings,
> > > it is my personal opinion that all movement organizations, groups
> (formal
> > > and informal) and the WMF itself immediately stop meeting in person.
> For
> > > the movement entities that have offices, work-from-home should be the
> > > standard (as it has been for the WMF for almost a week).  Edit-a-thons
> > and
> > > similar meet-ups should be cancelled for the foreseeable future.  The
> > broad
> > > movement has spent a lot of time talking about the safety and security
> of
> > > its communities, and this level of social distancing at this time is
> > > probably the best way to demonstrate that we really mean what we say.
> > > #CancelEverything is not just a cute hashtag - it's really serious, and
> > our
> > > movement can be leaders in showing how it is done.
> > >
> > > I'm speaking from my own experience (having worked in a hospital with
> > SARS
> > > patients and having participated in the development of pandemic plans
> for
> > > hospitals), so perhaps my perspective is different from other people's.
> > But
> > > given there's very little downside to this proposal, there's no reason
> > not
> > > to take these steps, at least for a few months while the world has a
> > better
> > > sense of how this will all play out.
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] World Health Organization licences & COVID-19

[James Heilman]

I have been asking WHO to release COVID19 content (specially videos) under
open licenses since since Feb 2020.

I have spoke with Aleksandra Kuzmanovic who has been involved in their
collaboration with Facebook and Twitter etc.

They say maybe. But despite a bunch of follow up emails have not seemed too
keen. It is really a lost opportunity for both of us :-(

James

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 9:47 AM Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:

>  Some of us sent an email when it was (only apparently) less serious but
> we got no reply, as far as I know. It was sent by the UG of Washington DC
> and I contacted WMCH doing that, because they might reach their central
> office quickly in Geneva if necessary.
> Changing some licenses was one of the things I hoped to discuss, but in
> general we knew it was already serious and we were trying to gain some time.
>
> In the end, WHO changed their attitude only after the last week-end,
> probably because people started finally to be worried in the USA, but the
> pandemia should have been declared weeks ago or at least last week, IMHO,
> when also the data of another "not small" country, that is Spain, started
> to be quite out of control (if Italy was already not enough after China,
> Iran and South Korea).
>
> They seem to have taken more slowly than necessary. Let's hope they
> finally reach out.
>
> Regards.
> Alessandro
>
> Il giovedì 12 marzo 2020, 16:29:34 CET, Andy Mabbett <
> a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> ha scritto:
>
>  WHO have a great video on COVID-19 ("Coronavius"):
>
>   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1APwq1df6Mw
>
> Now would be a good time for the WMF, local chapters, other
> affiliates, and individual, to publicly call on them to open licence
> such material, as I have done, here:
>
>   https://twitter.com/pigsonthewing/status/1238124060145483777
>
> [much of their published material is under NC restrictions -
> https://www.who.int/publishing/copyright/en/ ]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open

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r been to a
> > > > Wikimania
> > > > > to broaden their support networks.
> > > > >
> > > > > As you apply please agree to share your details with the local
> > > affiliate
> > > > > should they also have scholarships available. When answering
> > questions
> > > if
> > > > > you have urls to reports, dashboards, and events reports please
> > provide
> > > > > them. Rather than writing lots of words again have your past
> > recordings
> > > > > speak.
> > > > >
> > > > > On behalf of ESEAP community, and the Scholarship committee we look
> > > > forward
> > > > > to seeing you in Bangkok in August.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Gnangarra
> > > > > Wikimania Scholarship committee Co-chair
> > > > >
> > > > > *Power of Diverse Collaboration*
> > > > > *Sharing knowledge brings people together*
> > > > > Wikimania Bangkok 2020
> > > > > August 5 to 9
> > > > > hosted by ESEAP
> > > > >
> > > > > Wikimania: https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gnangarra
> > > > > Noongarpedia:
> https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Main_Page
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Tool from Community Tech: Who Wrote That?

[James Heilman]

Would also be nice if it worked on references, external links / urls, and
policy pages. Not sure what would be required to add that capability?

James

On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 12:07 AM  wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 11:05 AM Diane Ranville <
> dranville-...@wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
>
> > This is great. But it looks like it's only available on EN:WP?
> >
>
> As the extension provides just a way to display the data provided by the
> WikiWho service [1], which supports just five sites (enwiki, dewiki,
> euwiki, trwiki, eswiki), this extension supports only those sites as well.
> Pity.
>
> -- [[ cs:User:Mormegil | Petr Kadlec ]]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedians for Sustainable Development first newsletter

[James Heilman]

Our World in Data has some amazing SDG interactive graphs under an open
license

https://sdg-tracker.org/

Would be great to integrate these into Wikipedia. We have some half working
tools that I describe here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Doc_James/OurWorld

 Still lots of work required from a technical perspective. Am hoping to
find someone to do a mass upload of the underlying data to Commons.

James

On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 8:13 AM Jan Ainali  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Welcome to the first of the newsletters from Wikimedians for Sustainable
> Development, covering December 2019. Each month we will collect and
> distribute activities and news related to sustainable development from all
> around the movement. If you have anything to share, please add it to our
> newsletter page. [9]
>
> === Meetings ===
> * We had our first meeting online and there are some minutes [7]
> * Editathon on Spanish Wikipedia [8]
>
> === Statements ===
> * Wikimedia Foundation releases a Sustainability Impact Statement [1]
>
> === Recent blogposts ===
> * Joy Agyepong believes in open knowledge for a sustainable future [2]
> * Lukas Mezger – the Wikimedia Sustainability Initiative [3]
> * Towards a more sustainable Wikimedia Movement [4]
>
> === Video ===
> * Future Climate for Africa released a video from the climate change themed
> editathon held previously this year. [5]
>
> === New properties on Wikidata ===
> * World Flora Online ID [6]
> * ScienceOpen publication ID [10]
> * ScienceOpen author ID [11]
>
> === Links ===
> * [1]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WMF_Sustainability_Impact_Statement_2019.pdf
> * [2]
>
> https://wikimedia.se/2019/12/05/joy-agyepong-oppen-kunskap-for-en-hallbar-framtid/#english
> * [3]
>
> https://wikimedia.se/2019/12/03/lukas-mezger-wikimedia-sustainability-initiative/#english
> * [4]
>
> https://space.wmflabs.org/2019/11/27/towards-a-more-sustainable-wikimedia-movement/
> * [5] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10i-HP1JNBE
> * [6]
>
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/World_Flora_Online_ID
> * [7]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_for_Sustainable_Development/Meeting_minutes_20191215
> * [8]
>
> https://www.climatica.lamarea.com/wikipedia-con-perspectiva-climatica-faltan-activistas-y-sobre-todo-mujeres/
> * [9]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_for_Sustainable_Development/Newsletter
> * [10]
>
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/ScienceOpen_publication_ID
> * [11]
>
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/ScienceOpen_author_ID
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

[James Heilman]

Sending on behalf of Douglas as his message did not make it through:

"Hi everyone,

James is right about South Africa. Although there is a strong appetite
for Wikipedia Zero in South Africa (and surrounding countries as well
I would bet) there were some unexpected hurdles encountered here. The
appetite was strong enough for a class of school children in Cape Town
to write an open letter calling for it that the WMF made a video
about. We also go two of those school children to give a speech at
Wikimania 2018. Unfortunately this was unsuccessful in getting real
progress on zero rating Wikipedia in South Africa.

The back story is that the major telecoms firms in South Africa just
did not see the point of zero rating Wikipedia even though it would
give them a competitive advantage over other South African telecoms
firms. This is mostly because the telecom sector in South Africa is a
duopoly of effectively two colluding companies that practice what I
would call a type of exploitative pricing.

The closest we came to getting Zero rating in South Africa was a
response from one of the telecom companies (MTN) to the open letter
from the school children back in 2014. MTN agreed to zero rate
Wikipedia and made a video about it (now taken down I see) to get some
free media off of it. However, what they did not tell people as that
Wikipedia was zero rated only around schools, during school hours, and
only on devices running MTN's proprietary version of the Opera
browser. Since school kids are typically not allowed to us cell phones
at school in South Africa this basically meant that almost no one got
to get access to zero rated Wikipedia.

In South Africa's case I feel that there is still a great need and
demand for zero rated Wikipedia. That is why I am supportive of
another effort to push for getting local telecom companies to zero
rate it. However, I also feel that the South African telecom companies
are still suck in their profit-maximising oligopolic collusion
orientated mind set. As such I think we need to change the narrative
in South Africa around access to knowledge to get them to change their
mind set which is a bigger challenge. However the high cost of data in
South Africa combined with the "Data Must Fall" movement has created a
friendlier environment for us. So I feel we should at the very least
'ask again' if we can get Wikipedia zero rated or at least restart the
conversation to do that.

Regards,

Douglas."

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 4:48 PM James Heilman  wrote:
>
> The offline apps have also been downloaded 100 of thousands of times
> mostly from people in LMIC.
>
> Wikipedia Zero faced the controversial about net neutrality. And thus
> we were legally banned from continuing in India.
>
> Douglas Scott and I discussed the effects of the program in South
> Africa. Have cc'ed him to comment further but basically it sounded not
> all that great due to all the further limitations that were added by
> the telecoms.
>
> James
>
> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 4:25 PM James Salsman  wrote:
> >
> > Kul,
> >
> > Would you please send a few or more paragraph description of the
> > accomplishments and costs of the Wikipedia Zero program to the
> > wikimedia-l list?
> >
> > I also would love to see it back. The concerns about zero rating
> > service abuse are real, but they did not apply to WZ no matter how
> > many people implied they did at the time.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Jim
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 4:13 AM Peter Southwood
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Gerhard,
> > > I am also interested in what the impact of Wikipedia Zero was, but it is 
> > > not obvious to me how it would be measured.
> > > The board members are unlikely to have personally researched this, but 
> > > might know if there is or was a project and if so what they are or were 
> > > trying to measure. Equally, someone from WMF might be able to report on 
> > > what has been or is being done in this regard. It is also possible that 
> > > nothing has been done, or someone who does not read this list is working 
> > > on it.
> > > If anyone reads this and can enlighten us, either to whether it is an 
> > > ongoing project, has been done and the information is available 
> > > somewhere, or nobody is known to be working on it, please let us know.
> > > Anyone who has ideas on how it could be measured or why it can't is also 
> > > welcome to comment.
> > > Cheers,
> > > Peter
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On 
> > > Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen
> > > Sent: 01 December 2019 08:19
> > &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

[James Heilman]

ady. If you like to get real responses to
> > > your emails, you may want to try a more constructive attitude. For me, it
> > > is at least sufficiently offputting to disengage (I removed the rest of my
> > > response/suggestions).
> > >
> > > -- Lodewijk
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 9:34 PM Gerard Meijssen  > > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hoi,
> > > > Kiwix and off line Wikipedia did exist at the start of Wikipedia Zero.
> > > It
> > > > is great that you brought some to Africa but you do not scale and it is
> > > not
> > > > a study into the effects of what the effects are of terminating 
> > > > Wikipedia
> > > > Zero.
> > >
> > >
> > > > No idea what "Starlink"  is
> > >
> > >
> > > https://lmgtfy.com/?q=starlink=l
> > >
> > >
> > > > but it is not a reality for a few more years..
> > > > It sounds like we have thrown all these kids under the bus but hey, we
> > > have
> > > > plan. A plan/action is having our own caches in Africa and providing 
> > > > edit
> > > > and read capabilities for all who care to use it... and then measure the
> > > > extend it helps us recover from our Wikipedia Zero public.
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >GerardM
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 02:48, James Heilman  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > We have offline Wikipedia. I have shipped devices to Kinshasa, and
> > > > > they arrived :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course they do not at all address the need for two way
> > > communication.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am hoping Starlink will help when it comes online in a few years.
> > > > >
> > > > > James
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 12:19 AM Gerard Meijssen
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hoi,
> > > > > > The BBC shows how dramatically expensive internet is in Africa.. For
> > > in
> > > > > my
> > > > > > opinion local political reasons Wikipedia Zero has terminated. That
> > > is
> > > > ok
> > > > > > up to a point; the point being that we understand the consequences
> > > from
> > > > > > this action.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Given that our data is NOT local, people have to pay a premium. What
> > > > are
> > > > > we
> > > > > > going to do to compensate for expensive Wikipedia that replaced
> > > > Wikipedia
> > > > > > Zero? Did we study the effects or are we not interested in the
> > > > > consequences
> > > > > > of our actions?
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >GerardM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-50516888
> > > > > > ___
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
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> > > > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

[James Heilman]

We have offline Wikipedia. I have shipped devices to Kinshasa, and
they arrived :-)

Of course they do not at all address the need for two way communication.

I am hoping Starlink will help when it comes online in a few years.

James

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 12:19 AM Gerard Meijssen
 wrote:
>
> Hoi,
> The BBC shows how dramatically expensive internet is in Africa.. For in my
> opinion local political reasons Wikipedia Zero has terminated. That is ok
> up to a point; the point being that we understand the consequences from
> this action.
>
> Given that our data is NOT local, people have to pay a premium. What are we
> going to do to compensate for expensive Wikipedia that replaced Wikipedia
> Zero? Did we study the effects or are we not interested in the consequences
> of our actions?
> Thanks,
>GerardM
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-50516888
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update regarding Wikipedia video tutorial project ("NavWiki")

[James Heilman]

Are you going to use VideoWiki to create them? Will make them easier
to collaboratively edit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Videowiki

J

On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 4:25 AM Pine W  wrote:
>
> Hello colleagues,
>
> I have resumed work on my video tutorial project for Wikipedia and the
> sister sites. I am hoping that eventually there will be video tutorials
> and/or interactive tutorials in multiple languages, but for now I am
> focusing on producing a small number of videos for English Wikipedia to
> test the process and to get feedback from the community. These videos will
> be designed for "organic" new users who become active on Wikipedia without
> first being involved in a formal program that provides guidance for new
> contributors, but I think that the videos may also be useful for formal
> Wikimedia program organizers to share with their participants.
>
> A project space is live on Outreach Wiki:
> https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/NavWiki. I invite you to look at the
> organization of the space and let me know if you have any feedback.
> Comments and questions may be left on the project talk page
> <https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:NavWiki>.
>
> I am hoping to publish two videos for English Wikipedia by the end of 2019,
> and to collect feedback on them until at least January 2020 before deciding
> on significant next steps. If the feedback is positive then then I hope to
> produce more videos in the future and/or to adapt the videos for additional
> languages.
>
> If you would like to sign up for the project newsletter, you can do that at
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tutorials_Newsletter.
>
>
> Regards,
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

[James Heilman]

@ Benjamin I have never said that I would "consider overriding the
community in such a massive way". What I have said is that I hope the wider
community will engage with and provide feedback to the core group who is
working on developing the strategy. Much of the draft is really good, some
requires more discussion and some adjustments.

James

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 11:12 PM Benjamin Ikuta 
wrote:

>
>
> It is disturbing that you would even consider overriding the community in
> such a massive way.
>
>
>
> On Aug 23, 2019, at 9:44 PM, James Heilman  wrote:
>
> > The board will be discussing this of course. We do not have a group
> > position at this point in time.
> >
> > J
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 12:47 PM Jeff Hawke 
> wrote:
> >
> >> James
> >>
> >> Thanks for that.  As a member of the Board, would you clarify the
> Board's
> >> position on whether it is prepared to see the final Recommendations
> >> implemented irrespective of any disagreement from the community?
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 12:05 PM James Heilman 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I for one do not agree with Jan-Bart's prior position.
> >>>
> >>> James
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 4:40 AM Jeff Hawke 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Paulo,
> >>>>
> >>>> You suggest that "things will not get pretty if the Wikimedia
> community
> >>>> does not approve some of the recommendations".  You may recall that
> >> just
> >>>> five years ago, Jan-Bart de Vreede, then chair of the WMF Board,
> >>> expressed
> >>>> the opinion
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:LilaTretikov_(WMF)=prev=9585319
> >>>> over
> >>>> a much less dramatic change.
> >>>>
> >>>>> All of this is going to require change, change that might not be
> >>>> acceptable to some of you. I hope that all of you will be a part of
> >> this
> >>>> next step in our evolution. But I understand that if you decide to
> >> take a
> >>>> wiki-break, that might be the way things have to be. Even so, you have
> >> to
> >>>> let the Foundation do its work and allow us all to take that next step
> >>> when
> >>>> needed. I can only hope that your break is temporary, and that you
> will
> >>>> return when the time is right.
> >>>>
> >>>> I presume this is a good summary of the WMF position today.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jeff
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 12:06 AM Paulo Santos Perneta <
> >>>> paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> If I've well understood the timeline, all input from the Wikimedia
> >>>>> community ceases in mid September. Then it's all defined by the WGs
> >>> 8and
> >>>>> their advisors), and eventually decided upon by the BoT around
> >>> December.
> >>>>> Therefore, after 15 September or so, the Wikimedia community will
> >> only
> >>> be
> >>>>> dealing with those recommendations again when they are already in the
> >>>>> process of implementation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It's quite easy to predict that things will not get pretty if the
> >>>> Wikimedia
> >>>>> community does not approve some of the recommendations that pass all
> >>> the
> >>>>> way till implementation phase.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Paulo
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Nicole Ebber  escreveu no dia quinta,
> >>>>> 22/08/2019
> >>>>> à(s) 11:58:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thank you for your engagement and input. It’s been great seeing so
> >>> much
> >>>>>> attention on movement strategy and collaborative efforts for
> >> building
> >>>> our
> >>>>>> future. Here are a couple of follow up responses and
> >> clarifications.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> DRAFTS
> >>>>>> As pointed out in my previous email, the documents we recently
> >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

[James Heilman]

The board will be discussing this of course. We do not have a group
position at this point in time.

J

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 12:47 PM Jeff Hawke  wrote:

> James
>
> Thanks for that.  As a member of the Board, would you clarify the Board's
> position on whether it is prepared to see the final Recommendations
> implemented irrespective of any disagreement from the community?
>
> Jeff
>
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 12:05 PM James Heilman  wrote:
>
> > I for one do not agree with Jan-Bart's prior position.
> >
> > James
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 4:40 AM Jeff Hawke 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Paulo,
> > >
> > > You suggest that "things will not get pretty if the Wikimedia community
> > > does not approve some of the recommendations".  You may recall that
> just
> > > five years ago, Jan-Bart de Vreede, then chair of the WMF Board,
> > expressed
> > > the opinion
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:LilaTretikov_(WMF)=prev=9585319
> > > over
> > > a much less dramatic change.
> > >
> > > > All of this is going to require change, change that might not be
> > > acceptable to some of you. I hope that all of you will be a part of
> this
> > > next step in our evolution. But I understand that if you decide to
> take a
> > > wiki-break, that might be the way things have to be. Even so, you have
> to
> > > let the Foundation do its work and allow us all to take that next step
> > when
> > > needed. I can only hope that your break is temporary, and that you will
> > > return when the time is right.
> > >
> > > I presume this is a good summary of the WMF position today.
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 12:06 AM Paulo Santos Perneta <
> > > paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > If I've well understood the timeline, all input from the Wikimedia
> > > > community ceases in mid September. Then it's all defined by the WGs
> > 8and
> > > > their advisors), and eventually decided upon by the BoT around
> > December.
> > > > Therefore, after 15 September or so, the Wikimedia community will
> only
> > be
> > > > dealing with those recommendations again when they are already in the
> > > > process of implementation.
> > > >
> > > > It's quite easy to predict that things will not get pretty if the
> > > Wikimedia
> > > > community does not approve some of the recommendations that pass all
> > the
> > > > way till implementation phase.
> > > >
> > > > Paulo
> > > >
> > > > Nicole Ebber  escreveu no dia quinta,
> > > > 22/08/2019
> > > > à(s) 11:58:
> > > >
> > > > > Dear all,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you for your engagement and input. It’s been great seeing so
> > much
> > > > > attention on movement strategy and collaborative efforts for
> building
> > > our
> > > > > future. Here are a couple of follow up responses and
> clarifications.
> > > > >
> > > > > DRAFTS
> > > > > As pointed out in my previous email, the documents we recently
> shared
> > > are
> > > > > recommendation drafts. They are not final, and not complete, but
> > > working
> > > > > documents that are currently being refined by the working groups.
> > Some
> > > > > answers still read like stubs that are longing for further
> > development,
> > > > > others are very detailed and will become more focused over the next
> > few
> > > > > weeks. We still decided to publish everything at once, to give
> > > everyone a
> > > > > full picture of the variety of topics and offer an insight into
> > > multiple
> > > > > progress levels.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would also like to reiterate that movement values, priorities and
> > > > > community conversation processes are high on our radar. A
> > > recommendation
> > > > to
> > > > > change the existing license model, for example, will not just go
> > > through
> > > > a
> > > > > quick approval process, but lead to a deeper exploration into the
> > > > reasoning
> > > > > behind it: What problems are we trying to ta

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

[James Heilman]

To clarify on this, yes we need to make changes as a movement, but we need
to do so in collaboration with each other. My hope is that the wider
community will engage with the proposals that have been made. And that we
can develop a final document that the majority of us in all parts of the
movement can support.

James

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 5:04 AM James Heilman  wrote:

> I for one do not agree with Jan-Bart's prior position.
>
> James
>
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 4:40 AM Jeff Hawke 
> wrote:
>
>> Paulo,
>>
>> You suggest that "things will not get pretty if the Wikimedia community
>> does not approve some of the recommendations".  You may recall that just
>> five years ago, Jan-Bart de Vreede, then chair of the WMF Board, expressed
>> the opinion
>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:LilaTretikov_(WMF)=prev=9585319
>> over
>> a much less dramatic change.
>>
>> > All of this is going to require change, change that might not be
>> acceptable to some of you. I hope that all of you will be a part of this
>> next step in our evolution. But I understand that if you decide to take a
>> wiki-break, that might be the way things have to be. Even so, you have to
>> let the Foundation do its work and allow us all to take that next step
>> when
>> needed. I can only hope that your break is temporary, and that you will
>> return when the time is right.
>>
>> I presume this is a good summary of the WMF position today.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 12:06 AM Paulo Santos Perneta <
>> paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > If I've well understood the timeline, all input from the Wikimedia
>> > community ceases in mid September. Then it's all defined by the WGs 8and
>> > their advisors), and eventually decided upon by the BoT around December.
>> > Therefore, after 15 September or so, the Wikimedia community will only
>> be
>> > dealing with those recommendations again when they are already in the
>> > process of implementation.
>> >
>> > It's quite easy to predict that things will not get pretty if the
>> Wikimedia
>> > community does not approve some of the recommendations that pass all the
>> > way till implementation phase.
>> >
>> > Paulo
>> >
>> > Nicole Ebber  escreveu no dia quinta,
>> > 22/08/2019
>> > à(s) 11:58:
>> >
>> > > Dear all,
>> > >
>> > > Thank you for your engagement and input. It’s been great seeing so
>> much
>> > > attention on movement strategy and collaborative efforts for building
>> our
>> > > future. Here are a couple of follow up responses and clarifications.
>> > >
>> > > DRAFTS
>> > > As pointed out in my previous email, the documents we recently shared
>> are
>> > > recommendation drafts. They are not final, and not complete, but
>> working
>> > > documents that are currently being refined by the working groups. Some
>> > > answers still read like stubs that are longing for further
>> development,
>> > > others are very detailed and will become more focused over the next
>> few
>> > > weeks. We still decided to publish everything at once, to give
>> everyone a
>> > > full picture of the variety of topics and offer an insight into
>> multiple
>> > > progress levels.
>> > >
>> > > I would also like to reiterate that movement values, priorities and
>> > > community conversation processes are high on our radar. A
>> recommendation
>> > to
>> > > change the existing license model, for example, will not just go
>> through
>> > a
>> > > quick approval process, but lead to a deeper exploration into the
>> > reasoning
>> > > behind it: What problems are we trying to tackle, and what could be
>> ways
>> > to
>> > > mitigate them? Such recommendation would then rather suggest to look
>> into
>> > > different measures to ensure indigenous knowledge is included in the
>> > > Wikimedia ecosystem, deploy research and further consultation,
>> instead of
>> > > rushing to a quick fix.
>> > >
>> > > INTEGRATION
>> > > The working groups are taking input that they gathered at Wikimania
>> and
>> > via
>> > > different movement channels and incorporating it into the next
>> iteration
>> > of
>> > > their recommendat

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

[James Heilman]

ki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Procedures
> > >
> > > On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 at 13:13, Yaroslav Blanter 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > And this is the core problem of the whole process (which has been
> > pointed
> > > > out by multiple people from the very beginning)
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Yaroslav
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 12:27 PM Jeff Hawke  >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Andy
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 7:41 PM Andy Mabbett <
> > > a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 09:55, Jeff Hawke <
> geoffey.ha...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > the WG then collate them and decide the final form of the
> > > > > > > recommendations, to be implemented by the WMF
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This seems to be missing a rather crucial intermediate step; the
> > one
> > > > > > where the recommendations are accepted, or not, by the wider
> > > Wikimedia
> > > > > > community.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  That step is not mentioned at
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_steps_will_take_place_in_the_next_few_months_to_put_a_decision-making_process_in_place
> > > > > ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] NC and ND content (was: Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations...)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright workflows - research (Was: Re: Foundation management of volunteers)

[James Heilman]

So Yann should we as a community just build something as a proof of
concept? If we are talking less than 250 USD per month, I am sure we can
scrounge up the money for a trial 6 month trial.

James

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:59 AM Yann Forget  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Yes, James' pricing doesn't match the actual cost.
> We do not need to check all images uploaded to Commons, only the suspicious
> ones (small images without EXIF data).
> If we check 2,000 images a day (more than enough IMO), that would cost $7 a
> day, so $210 a month.
>
> Regards,
> Yann
>
>
> Le mar. 18 juin 2019 à 01:11, James Salsman  a écrit :
>
> > Google has been offering reverse image search as part of their vision
> API:
> >
> > https://cloud.google.com/vision/docs/internet-detection
> >
> > The pricing is $3.50 per 1,000 queries for up to 5,000,000 queries per
> > month:
> >
> > https://cloud.google.com/vision/pricing
> >
> > Above that quantity "Contact Google for more information":
> >
> > https://cloud.google.com/contact/
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 8:23 AM James Forrester
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 at 06:28, Yann Forget  wrote:
> > >
> > > > It has been suggested many times to ask Google for an access to their
> > API
> > > > for searching images,
> > > > so that we could have a bot tagging copyright violations (no free
> > access
> > > > for automated search).
> > > > That would the single best improvement in Wikimedia Commons workflow
> > for
> > > > years.
> > > > And it would benefit all Wikipedia projects, big or small.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yann,
> > >
> > > As you should remember, we asked Google for API access to their reverse
> > > image search system, years ago (maybe 2013?). They said that there
> isn't
> > > such an API any more (they killed it off in ~2012, I think), and that
> > they
> > > wouldn't make a custom one for us. The only commercial alternative we
> > found
> > > at the time would have cost us approximately US$3m a month at upload
> > > frequency for Commons then, and when contacted said they wouldn't do
> any
> > > discounts for Wikimedia. Obviously, this is far too much for the
> > > Foundation's budget (it would be even more now), and an inappropriate
> way
> > > to spend donor funds. Providing the service in-house would involve
> > building
> > > a search index of the entire Internet's (generally non-free) images and
> > > media, which would cost a fortune and is totally incompatible with the
> > > mission of the movement. This was relayed out to Commons volunteers at
> > the
> > > time, I'm pretty sure.
> > >
> > > Obviously Google might have changed their mind, though it seems
> > unlikely. I
> > > imagine that Google engineers and product owners don't follow this
> list,
> > so
> > > it's unlikely that they will re-create the API without being asked
> > directly.
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright issues

[James Heilman]

Clarifying one small bit, the "copypatrol" tool was initially developed by
Eran (a Wikimedia volunteer from Israel). It was than further developed by
the Wikimedia Foundation. Agree that it is a great success, not only with
respect to the final result but with respect to it being a successful
collaborative project between the foundation and the community.

James

On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 10:36 AM Yaroslav Blanter  wrote:

> Actually, I am afraid, for CCI at some point we will have to remove all
> added text by bot. I do not see any other scalable solution.
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 5:36 PM Stephen Philbrick <
> stephen.w.philbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I have seen a couple comments on copyright issues in the last couple days
> > so I thought I'd share some information that I think may be not
> well-known
> > by everyone.
> >
> > Very roughly, copyright issues (text) can be viewed in three categories:
> > 1. Addition of copyrighted material to articles in years past, not yet
> > removed (one-off)
> > 2. Same as above, except by a serial violator
> > 3. Close to real-time edits which may include copyrighted material
> >
> > The reason for distinguishing these three categories is that our approach
> > and success rates are very different.
> >
> > In case 1, an editor identifies what they believe to be a copyright issue
> > in an existing article. They can report it to
> Wikipedia:Copyright_problems.
> > In the case of a single issue or a very small handful of issues, those
> > items are identified and taken care of by volunteers. (I think this
> aspect
> > is handled adequately — I used to be active there but haven't been
> > recently)
> >
> > The second case arises when a potential violation is identified. An
> > examination of the editors contributions reveals many examples (typically
> > five or more). If this occurs, it is referred to Wikipedia:Contributor
> > copyright investigations. A CCI is opened, and the intent is to examine
> > every single edit by that editor. This aspect is extremely backlogged.
> I've
> > spent many hours working on CCI's, but it isn't easy, it isn't rewarding,
> > and it is discouraging because I think the backlog is increasing rather
> > than decreasing. (This isn't due to newly created copyright issues but
> > newly found ones.)
> >
> > The third case is handled by Copy Patrol, a  foundation created tool that
> > examines all new edits in close to real time and generates a report,
> which
> > is handled by volunteers.
> >
> > I want to emphasize this third aspect for multiple reasons. I think it is
> > one of the least known tools. Some of the prior emails on the subject
> leave
> > the impression that the authors are unaware of the existence of this
> tool.
> > On the one hand, it works very well, as almost all of the several hundred
> > reports each week are reviewed, most within 24 hours.
> >
> > Good news:
> > * Copy Patrol is working, so my guess is that the growth in true
> copyright
> > issues is close to nonexistent.
> >
> > Bad news:
> > * Copy Patrol is adequately staffed but just barely. One editor is
> > responsible for the handling of far more than half of all of these
> reports
> > (major kudos to Diannaa), but that much reliance on a single volunteer is
> > not good for the long-term health of the project.
> >
> > * The copy patrol tool is pretty good, and was being improved for a
> while,
> > but I've identified some desirable improvements and my sense is that
> it's a
> > very back burner project in terms of additional enhancements.
> >
> > * CCI clearance is going to take many years
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiJournals: A proposal to become a new sister project

[James Heilman]

When we publish CC BY SA on Wikipedia, we allow translation into other
languages without having any control over the translations (but we require
our name to be attached in some fashion). So right now we do all the time.
Most of my academic publications are CC BY which is even more permissive.

James

On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 7:27 PM Thomas Townsend 
wrote:

> On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 at 18:46, James Heilman  wrote:
>
> > Wiki Journals use CC BY SA. We do not support or want to us ND as that
> > would prevent translation into other languages. That is why I disagree
> with
> > Plan S's move to allow ND.
> >
>
> So part of the offer is that an author's article may be translated into
> other languages without the original author having any say in the process?
>  Surely you would not permit your own articles to be republished in another
> language with your name still on them and your having no control over what
> the translation says in your name?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiJournals: A proposal to become a new sister project

[James Heilman]

But to clarify, the intent is to be Plan-S compliant from what I understand.

James

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 11:46 AM James Heilman  wrote:

> Wiki Journals use CC BY SA. We do not support or want to us ND as that
> would prevent translation into other languages. That is why I disagree with
> Plan S's move to allow ND.
>
> James
>
> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 9:08 AM Vi to  wrote:
>
>> En.wikiversity user I'm dealing with was a custodian (in other words a
>> well
>> established user within the community).
>>
>> Keeping it short my main concern is: we are a naturally democratic
>> community, while the science cannot be. Also, we've been attracting low
>> quality "research" for years.
>>
>> Vito
>>
>> Il giorno lun 3 giu 2019 alle ore 16:36 James Heilman 
>> ha
>> scritto:
>>
>> > The peer review process and the editors of the journals in question.
>> This
>> > is the same mechanism that prevents gibberish from getting into all peer
>> > reviewed literature.
>> >
>> > J
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 6:30 AM Vi to  wrote:
>> >
>> > > In years I've seen countless attempts to put gibberish on our projects
>> > > which were eventually defeated by the "no original research"
>> principle.
>> > > Even en.wikiversity struggled with a now banned user (and his
>> > > friends/enablers) pushing lots of gibberish about cold fusion,
>> paranormal
>> > > and Wikimedia user themselves. So I ask, what will prevent this kind
>> of
>> > > gibberish from slowing infiltrating such project?
>> > >
>> > > Don't get me wrong but I think this is the first question in order to
>> > > define a "business model" for the project: why would a "serious"
>> research
>> > > group choose to publish there instead of already existing OA journals
>> or
>> > > classical PR journals?
>> > >
>> > > Vito
>> > >
>> > > Il giorno lun 3 giu 2019 alle ore 04:16 Thomas Shafee <
>> > > thomas.sha...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>> > >
>> > > > Yes, we put together a little checklist back in round one (*link*
>> > > > <
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Notes_on_Plan_S_compliance_criteria
>> > > > >
>> > > > ).
>> > > >
>> > > > Initially there were a few items that are currently not achieved
>> (e.g.
>> > > > JATS-compliant XML formatting). The revised Plan_S has reduced
>> > stringency
>> > > > and all the items that weren't hit happen to be optional. That being
>> > > said,
>> > > > things like JATS-compliant XML and citation metadata would be
>> valuable
>> > to
>> > > > implement anyway for machine readability.
>> > > >
>> > > > Thomas
>> > > >
>> > > > On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 at 04:53, James Heilman 
>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > It already is Plan-S compliant :-)
>> > > > >
>> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_S#Licensing_and_rights
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Plan-S unfortunately is looking at allowing ND content.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > James
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 8:14 AM Mister Thrapostibongles <
>> > > > > thrapostibong...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Thomas
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Is it intended that the journals should be Plan-S compliant?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Thrapostibongles
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 9:01 AM Thomas Shafee <
>> > > thomas.sha...@gmail.com>
>> > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Hello Wikipedians,
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Over the last few years, the WikiJournal User Group
>> > > > > > > <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group> has
>> > been
>> > > > > > building
>> > > > > > > and testing a set of peer reviewed academic journals on a
>> > mediawiki
>>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiJournals: A proposal to become a new sister project

[James Heilman]

Wiki Journals use CC BY SA. We do not support or want to us ND as that
would prevent translation into other languages. That is why I disagree with
Plan S's move to allow ND.

James

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 9:08 AM Vi to  wrote:

> En.wikiversity user I'm dealing with was a custodian (in other words a well
> established user within the community).
>
> Keeping it short my main concern is: we are a naturally democratic
> community, while the science cannot be. Also, we've been attracting low
> quality "research" for years.
>
> Vito
>
> Il giorno lun 3 giu 2019 alle ore 16:36 James Heilman 
> ha
> scritto:
>
> > The peer review process and the editors of the journals in question. This
> > is the same mechanism that prevents gibberish from getting into all peer
> > reviewed literature.
> >
> > J
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 6:30 AM Vi to  wrote:
> >
> > > In years I've seen countless attempts to put gibberish on our projects
> > > which were eventually defeated by the "no original research"
> principle.
> > > Even en.wikiversity struggled with a now banned user (and his
> > > friends/enablers) pushing lots of gibberish about cold fusion,
> paranormal
> > > and Wikimedia user themselves. So I ask, what will prevent this kind of
> > > gibberish from slowing infiltrating such project?
> > >
> > > Don't get me wrong but I think this is the first question in order to
> > > define a "business model" for the project: why would a "serious"
> research
> > > group choose to publish there instead of already existing OA journals
> or
> > > classical PR journals?
> > >
> > > Vito
> > >
> > > Il giorno lun 3 giu 2019 alle ore 04:16 Thomas Shafee <
> > > thomas.sha...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> > >
> > > > Yes, we put together a little checklist back in round one (*link*
> > > > <
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Notes_on_Plan_S_compliance_criteria
> > > > >
> > > > ).
> > > >
> > > > Initially there were a few items that are currently not achieved
> (e.g.
> > > > JATS-compliant XML formatting). The revised Plan_S has reduced
> > stringency
> > > > and all the items that weren't hit happen to be optional. That being
> > > said,
> > > > things like JATS-compliant XML and citation metadata would be
> valuable
> > to
> > > > implement anyway for machine readability.
> > > >
> > > > Thomas
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 at 04:53, James Heilman  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It already is Plan-S compliant :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_S#Licensing_and_rights
> > > > >
> > > > > Plan-S unfortunately is looking at allowing ND content.
> > > > >
> > > > > James
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 8:14 AM Mister Thrapostibongles <
> > > > > thrapostibong...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thomas
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is it intended that the journals should be Plan-S compliant?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thrapostibongles
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 9:01 AM Thomas Shafee <
> > > thomas.sha...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello Wikipedians,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Over the last few years, the WikiJournal User Group
> > > > > > > <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group> has
> > been
> > > > > > building
> > > > > > > and testing a set of peer reviewed academic journals on a
> > mediawiki
> > > > > > > platform. The main types of articles are:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >- Existing Wikipedia articles submitted for external review
> > and
> > > > > > feedback
> > > > > > >(example <https://doi.org/10.15347/wjs/2018.006>)
> > > > > > >- From-scratch articles that, after review, are imported to
> > > > > Wikipedia
> > > > > > (
> > > > > > >example <https://doi.org/

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiJournals: A proposal to become a new sister project

[James Heilman]

The peer review process and the editors of the journals in question. This
is the same mechanism that prevents gibberish from getting into all peer
reviewed literature.

J

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 6:30 AM Vi to  wrote:

> In years I've seen countless attempts to put gibberish on our projects
> which were eventually defeated by the "no original research"  principle.
> Even en.wikiversity struggled with a now banned user (and his
> friends/enablers) pushing lots of gibberish about cold fusion, paranormal
> and Wikimedia user themselves. So I ask, what will prevent this kind of
> gibberish from slowing infiltrating such project?
>
> Don't get me wrong but I think this is the first question in order to
> define a "business model" for the project: why would a "serious" research
> group choose to publish there instead of already existing OA journals or
> classical PR journals?
>
> Vito
>
> Il giorno lun 3 giu 2019 alle ore 04:16 Thomas Shafee <
> thomas.sha...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
> > Yes, we put together a little checklist back in round one (*link*
> > <
> >
> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Notes_on_Plan_S_compliance_criteria
> > >
> > ).
> >
> > Initially there were a few items that are currently not achieved (e.g.
> > JATS-compliant XML formatting). The revised Plan_S has reduced stringency
> > and all the items that weren't hit happen to be optional. That being
> said,
> > things like JATS-compliant XML and citation metadata would be valuable to
> > implement anyway for machine readability.
> >
> > Thomas
> >
> > On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 at 04:53, James Heilman  wrote:
> >
> > > It already is Plan-S compliant :-)
> > >
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_S#Licensing_and_rights
> > >
> > > Plan-S unfortunately is looking at allowing ND content.
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 8:14 AM Mister Thrapostibongles <
> > > thrapostibong...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thomas
> > > >
> > > > Is it intended that the journals should be Plan-S compliant?
> > > >
> > > > Thrapostibongles
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 9:01 AM Thomas Shafee <
> thomas.sha...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello Wikipedians,
> > > > >
> > > > > Over the last few years, the WikiJournal User Group
> > > > > <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group> has been
> > > > building
> > > > > and testing a set of peer reviewed academic journals on a mediawiki
> > > > > platform. The main types of articles are:
> > > > >
> > > > >- Existing Wikipedia articles submitted for external review and
> > > > feedback
> > > > >(example <https://doi.org/10.15347/wjs/2018.006>)
> > > > >- From-scratch articles that, after review, are imported to
> > > Wikipedia
> > > > (
> > > > >example <https://doi.org/10.15347/wjm/2018.001>)
> > > > >- Original research articles that are not imported to Wikipedia
> > > > (example
> > > > ><
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Acute_gastrointestinal_bleeding_from_a_chronic_cause:_a_teaching_case_report
> > > > > >
> > > > >)
> > > > >
> > > > > *Proposal: WikiJournals as a new sister project
> > > > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiJournal>*
> > > > >
> > > > > From a Wikipedian point of view, this is a complementary system to
> > > > Featured
> > > > > article review, but bridging the gap with external experts
> > > > > <
> > https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Peer_reviewers
> > > >,
> > > > > implementing established scholarly practices
> > > > > <
> > >
> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Ethics_statement
> > > > >,
> > > > > and generating citable, doi-linked publications
> > > > > <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Publishing
> >.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please take a look and support/oppose/comment!
> > > > > All the best,
> > > > &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiJournals: A proposal to become a new sister project

[James Heilman]

It already is Plan-S compliant :-)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_S#Licensing_and_rights

Plan-S unfortunately is looking at allowing ND content.

James

On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 8:14 AM Mister Thrapostibongles <
thrapostibong...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thomas
>
> Is it intended that the journals should be Plan-S compliant?
>
> Thrapostibongles
>
> On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 9:01 AM Thomas Shafee 
> wrote:
>
> > Hello Wikipedians,
> >
> > Over the last few years, the WikiJournal User Group
> > <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group> has been
> building
> > and testing a set of peer reviewed academic journals on a mediawiki
> > platform. The main types of articles are:
> >
> >- Existing Wikipedia articles submitted for external review and
> feedback
> >(example <https://doi.org/10.15347/wjs/2018.006>)
> >- From-scratch articles that, after review, are imported to Wikipedia
> (
> >example <https://doi.org/10.15347/wjm/2018.001>)
> >- Original research articles that are not imported to Wikipedia
> (example
> ><
> >
> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Acute_gastrointestinal_bleeding_from_a_chronic_cause:_a_teaching_case_report
> > >
> >)
> >
> > *Proposal: WikiJournals as a new sister project
> > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiJournal>*
> >
> > From a Wikipedian point of view, this is a complementary system to
> Featured
> > article review, but bridging the gap with external experts
> > <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Peer_reviewers>,
> > implementing established scholarly practices
> > <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Ethics_statement
> >,
> > and generating citable, doi-linked publications
> > <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Publishing>.
> >
> > Please take a look and support/oppose/comment!
> > All the best,
> > Thomas Shafee
> >
> > ps, We are attempting to improve awareness within the existing wikimedia
> > community, so feel free to share with others.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interpretation of CC NC from SUISA

[James Heilman]

Either advocacy or partnerships. Would be nice to see that license
deprecated or at least no longer supported by Creative Commons.

James

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 10:36 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Where would it fit in Strategy 2030? Advocacy?
>
> Paulo
>
> James Heilman  escreveu no dia segunda, 20/05/2019 à(s)
> 05:41:
>
> > We all agree NC licenses are poor. The WMF position was a reflection of
> the
> > community's position at the time and this likely remains the community's
> > position today.
> >
> > If we as a movement however were to decide we want to allow NC video such
> > that we can use Khan academy and Ted talks I doubt the WMF would veto it.
> > We do count as non commercial. It would however decrease the incentive
> for
> > these groups to drop NC but they are unlikely to regardless.
> >
> > Not sure if the strategy process is considering this specific question.
> >
> > On Mon, May 20, 2019, 09:41 Mister Thrapostibongles <
> > thrapostibong...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > James
> > >
> > > > Per "the Foundation has decided", it is not the foundation but our
> > > movement
> > > > that has decided that we will mostly only allow licenses that allow
> > > > commercial reuse.
> > > >
> > >
> > > That doesn't seem quite right.  The Foundation Board adopted a
> resolution
> > > on 23 March 2007,  which is published at
> > > https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Licensing_policy and
> > > cross-referred to on Wikipedia as still current, headed
> > >
> > > > This policy is approved by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
> > > > <https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_of_Trustees>.
> > > > It may not be circumvented, eroded, or ignored by Wikimedia
> Foundation
> > > > officers or staff nor local policies of any Wikimedia project
> > > > <https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Our_projects>.
> > >
> > >
> > > and statng
> > >
> > >- All projects are expected to host only content which is under a
> Free
> > >Content License, or which is otherwise free as recognized by the
> > >'Definition of Free Cultural Works' as referenced above.
> > >
> > > So it seems to me that it is the Foundation not the movement that
> > controls
> > > the licensing.
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interpretation of CC NC from SUISA

[James Heilman]

We all agree NC licenses are poor. The WMF position was a reflection of the
community's position at the time and this likely remains the community's
position today.

If we as a movement however were to decide we want to allow NC video such
that we can use Khan academy and Ted talks I doubt the WMF would veto it.
We do count as non commercial. It would however decrease the incentive for
these groups to drop NC but they are unlikely to regardless.

Not sure if the strategy process is considering this specific question.

On Mon, May 20, 2019, 09:41 Mister Thrapostibongles <
thrapostibong...@gmail.com> wrote:

> James
>
> > Per "the Foundation has decided", it is not the foundation but our
> movement
> > that has decided that we will mostly only allow licenses that allow
> > commercial reuse.
> >
>
> That doesn't seem quite right.  The Foundation Board adopted a resolution
> on 23 March 2007,  which is published at
> https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Licensing_policy and
> cross-referred to on Wikipedia as still current, headed
>
> > This policy is approved by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
> > .
> > It may not be circumvented, eroded, or ignored by Wikimedia Foundation
> > officers or staff nor local policies of any Wikimedia project
> > .
>
>
> and statng
>
>- All projects are expected to host only content which is under a Free
>Content License, or which is otherwise free as recognized by the
>'Definition of Free Cultural Works' as referenced above.
>
> So it seems to me that it is the Foundation not the movement that controls
> the licensing.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interpretation of CC NC from SUISA

[James Heilman]

Per "the Foundation has decided", it is not the foundation but our movement
that has decided that we will mostly only allow licenses that allow
commercial reuse.

By the way EN WP also allows fair use of certain images which may not
permit commercial reuse in certain jurisdictions.

James

On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 11:48 AM Mister Thrapostibongles <
thrapostibong...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yury
>
> I'm not quite sure what you mean here.  Firstly, this isn't the right venue
> for a discussion of the general principle of non-commercial licensing,
> especially as the Foundation has decided on the use of licences that permit
> commercial reuse.  And secondly, there's nothing to prevent a rights owner
> from granting a full/libre licence if they want to for the works they own:
> so why would one need to advocate for it, here or anywhere else?
>
> Thrapostibongles
>
> On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 10:42 AM Yury Bulka <
> setthemf...@privacyrequired.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > Just stumbled upon an page where Swiss collecting society SUISA lists
> > things which they consider commercial use within CC NC licenses, as
> > applied to works they have copyright on (delegated from authors who are
> > their members). It's quite interesting and I think it is a very good
> > example for advocating for fully free/libre licensing of works.
> >
> > Here's the page:
> >
> >
> https://www.suisa.ch/en/members/authors/how-to-register-a-work/creative-commons.html
> >
> > The list of uses that they consider commercial use is quite
> > interesting. For instance, it includes things like:
> >
> > - involving a counterpart, of a financial or other nature, regardless of
> > the beneficiary, title or grounds;
> > - in exchange for other goods, whether or not the exchange generates
> >   direct or indirect revenues or gives rise to a payment of any nature
> >   whatsoever;
> > - at places of work;
> >
> > Best,
> > Yury.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interpretation of CC NC from SUISA

[James Heilman]

Interesting. So nearly everything is covered by a place of work. So there
opinion appears to be that the NC license is simple a way to pretend one is
using an open license well changing nothing.

On Sat, May 18, 2019, 18:42 Yury Bulka 
wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Just stumbled upon an page where Swiss collecting society SUISA lists
> things which they consider commercial use within CC NC licenses, as
> applied to works they have copyright on (delegated from authors who are
> their members). It's quite interesting and I think it is a very good
> example for advocating for fully free/libre licensing of works.
>
> Here's the page:
>
> https://www.suisa.ch/en/members/authors/how-to-register-a-work/creative-commons.html
>
> The list of uses that they consider commercial use is quite
> interesting. For instance, it includes things like:
>
> - involving a counterpart, of a financial or other nature, regardless of
> the beneficiary, title or grounds;
> - in exchange for other goods, whether or not the exchange generates
>   direct or indirect revenues or gives rise to a payment of any nature
>   whatsoever;
> - at places of work;
>
> Best,
> Yury.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Be the change you want to see (was: WMF commitment for a Wikimedia projects archive)

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gt; > capacity, and out of my care for the well-being of this list).  While I
> > have never shied away from responding on this list, I have on occasion
> been
> > scolded (internally) for attempting to answer volunteer queries to the
> best
> > of my knowledge, for "outstepping my remit" or interfering in someone
> > else's remit.  I have taken this to heart, and accordingly no longer try
> to
> > respond to queries such as Fae's (which in this case I find a perfectly
> > reasonable question, meriting an answer).  Several past attempts by me to
> > ping appropriate senior staff on questions on this list (or on talk
> pages)
> > have also met with rebuke, so I have ceased those as well.
> >
> > For these reasons I do not accept this wholesale blaming of this list's
> > subscribers on the difficulty having meaningful conversations here:
> >
> > But if we want to see staff members more actively
> > > participating here then those long standing individuals need to really
> > > thing about the tone in which they engage here, particularly those who
> do
> > > so most often. If that does not change, this list will continue to
> > languish
> > > and those few staff members who continue to engage here will slowly
> > > disappear. This now increasingly perennial topic keeps coming up and my
> > > fear is that it will on go away through the increasing abandonment this
> > > list faces.
> > >
> >
> > It is WMF that is not behaving collaboratively here.  And it is within
> > WMF's power to change it.  C-levels, the ED, and other managers at WMF
> > could all decide to participate more actively in this list; to respond to
> > questions or delegate the answering to their subordinates, who are
> awaiting
> > their cue; and indeed, they could themselves make more use of this list
> as
> > a sounding board, a consultation room, and a reserve of experience and
> > diverse context.  They can be the change they (and you, and me) would
> like
> > to see.
> >
> > Perhaps this e-mail could convince some of them.  And if not my words,
> then
> > perhaps those of some of the other list subscribers.
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF commitment for a Wikimedia projects archive

[James Heilman]

Agree that a further collaboration with internet archives on this could be
an excellent solution as I imagine they already do much of it.

On Tue, May 14, 2019, 21:13 Samuel Klein  wrote:

> Dearests.
>
> The archival question is a good one. The wikiverse could use a more
> archival gloss, and currently regularly breaks links where a slight
> commitment to longer term reliably would preserve them intact. Nathan: long
> term preservation is not yet part of the projects' raison d'etre. Perhaps
> it should be.
>
> For instance sep11.wikipedia.org doesn't redirect where it should. We may
> not even still have an archival dump online. Deleted articles and their
> revs are no longer targetable by links, not even with redaction (like an
> oversighted rev in a rev list), making for ephemeralinks.
>
> A better phrasing might be: how are archives made and maintained, where are
> full copies of each project, is there any overview of how this is working?
> & How can interested parties add to the mirror count of a project?
>
> IA and IPFS each mirror some things. I don't know of any full-wikimedia
> mirror that includes all projects and files, and while there may be an
> internal mirror including all private userdata, I don't believe there is
> one offsite -- a delicate kind of mirroring that calls for some thought.
>
> SJ
>
> On Tue., May 14, 2019, 6:03 p.m. Nathan,  wrote:
>
> > The Internet Archive, incidentally, already seems to maintain copies of
> > Wikimedia projects. I don't know to what degree of fidelity.
> Additionally,
> > the WMF's core deliverable is already to provide and sustain access to
> its
> > projects. It has an endowment for that purpose already. Other websites
> and
> > media that might have ephemeral access due to their nature as short-term
> > tools need the IA to be preserved, but the WMF's projects seem to occupy
> a
> > different space. It's sort of like asking if the Library of Congress
> needs
> > to invest in some external project to preserve and organize its
> > collections. No, that is its actual raison d'etre.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

[James Heilman]

I have a fairly good understanding of copyright. Deal with a fair bit of
copyright issues occurring via paid editing and flicker washing of images
and would be happy to do admin work around that if the Commons community
was interested.

James

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paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Wikimedia project communities in general seem to be quite stagnant, if not
> declining, apart from Wikidata, which is and always will be a whole
> different case. In the case of Commons it was already very much as it is
> now when I joined in 2009. I always found it a very pleasant place, but
> overtime I understood I was the exception there, and most people had bad
> experiences. And it is as Yann has shown there, it's a few sysops running
> the entire show almost alone, not because they want that, but because
> nobody else helps with that.
>
> IMO the problem is not with the existing sysops, but because people in
> general do not feel attracted to copyright and other similar minucious
> stuff which marks everyday life in Commons. And, without that knowledge it
> is pointless, if not counterproductive, to place a candidacy to sysop. No
> idea what the solution could be, but it certainly is not blaming Commons
> and the existing sysops. If more people was interested in copyright, less
> mistakes would be happening in Commons as well. Whatever the solution is,
> it probably passes by that.
>
> Best,
> Paulo
>
> Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga  escreveu no dia segunda,
> 13/05/2019 à(s) 07:09:
>
> > A good question to ask would be why the admin group is not growing. And
> > maybe (maybe) we can find a common answer to both problems pointed here.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

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 maj 2019 o 10:48 Mister Thrapostibongles <
> > > > > thrapostibong...@gmail.com> napisał(a):
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hello all,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> There seems to be a dispute between the Outreach and the Commons
> > > > components
> > > > >> of The Community, judging by the article "Wikimedia Commons: a
> highly
> > > > >> hostile place for multimedia students contributions" at the
> Education
> > > > >> Newsletter
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/News/April_2019/Wikimedia_Commons:_a_highly_hostile_place_for_multimedia_students_contributions
> > > > >>
> > > > >> As far as I can understand it, some students on an Outreach
> project
> > > > >> uploaded some rather well-made video material, and comeone on
> Commons
> > > > >> deleted them because they appeared to well-made to be student
> projects
> > > > and
> > > > >> so concluded they were copyright violations.  But some rather odd
> > > > remarks
> > > > >> were made "Commons has to fight the endless stream of uploaded
> > > > copyrighted
> > > > >> content on behalf of a headquarters in San Francisco that doesn't
> > > care."
> > > > >> and
> > > > >> "you have regarded Commons as little more than free cloud storage
> for
> > > > >> images you intend to use on Wikipedia ".
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Perhaps the Foundation needs to resolve this dispute?
> > > > >>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who oversees the AffCom?

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 > > > > Wikimedia
> > > > > > > >> > > Movement allowed for such a secretive, arbitrary,
> > apparently
> > > > > > > unchecked
> > > > > > > >> > and
> > > > > > > >> > > very much powerful institution to grow and thrive like
> > this
> > > in
> > > > > its
> > > > > > > >> > middle,
> > > > > > > >> > > overseeing and effectively controlling the relation of
> all
> > > of
> > > > us
> > > > > > > (both
> > > > > > > >> > > affiliates and individuals) and the WMF?
> > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > > More important than that, what can be done about this?
> > Where
> > > > one
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > > >> > appeal
> > > > > > > >> > > to, when presented with such fraudulent, baseless,
> > > secretive,
> > > > > > > >> > > unsubstantiated accusations by a body which was supposed
> > to
> > > be
> > > > > > above
> > > > > > > >> all
> > > > > > > >> > > suspicion?
> > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > > Can an internal inquiry be demanded somewhere at the
> > > Wikimedia
> > > > > > > >> Foundation
> > > > > > > >> > > over the activities and decisions of AffCom, in the same
> > way
> > > > we
> > > > > do
> > > > > > > >> with
> > > > > > > >> > > suspicious activity by checkusers and supervisors, with
> > the
> > > > > > > Ombudsman
> > > > > > > >> > > Commission?
> > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > > Looking forward for any help and insight on this,
> > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > > Paulo - DarwIn
> > > > > > > >> > > Wikimedia Portugal
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] VideoWiki Tool

[James Heilman]

Yes I think we can activate it in Spanish. Will need to make a few
adjustments.

Will let you know in a couple of days.

James

On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 6:05 PM Florencia Claes 
wrote:

> Hi! It looks great! Thank you very much.
> Do you think it's possible to use it in projects in Spanish?
>
> Best,
> Florenciac
>
> El vie., 3 may. 2019 a las 3:14, James Heilman ()
> escribió:
>
> > Hey All
> >
> > The videowiki tool for making video summaries has moved to an "all on
> > Wikipedia" functionality.
> >
> > Step-by-step instructions on how to use it are here
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VideoWiki/Tutorial
> >
> > An example video is here
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VideoWiki/Polio
> >
> > And a place to play around with the tool is here
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VideoWiki/Sandbox
> >
> > Well it works there is still a lot of stuff to improve within the tool.
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[Wikimedia-l] VideoWiki Tool

[James Heilman]

Hey All

The videowiki tool for making video summaries has moved to an "all on
Wikipedia" functionality.

Step-by-step instructions on how to use it are here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VideoWiki/Tutorial

An example video is here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VideoWiki/Polio

And a place to play around with the tool is here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VideoWiki/Sandbox

Well it works there is still a lot of stuff to improve within the tool.
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