Milos, thanks for your long email because it highlights some problems I
mentioned already in another long email (Building a we in the wikimedia
movement). It is in fact hard to deal with social systems, but
nevertheless important if we want the movement to survive to itself. The
greatest enemy are
Congratulations to the winners!
However I must say that the results of this election are hilarious. The
person with the most support votes doesn't win because of oppose votes :D
El sáb., 6 de jun. de 2015 3:22, Johan Jönsson brevlis...@gmail.com
Congratulations, Dariusz, James and
I am looking for a space where I can set up projects like:
- clean up a wiki category
- set up book scanning tasks
- track a survey stages (planning, translation, ad, analysis, etc)
Is phabricator a good place for that? I guess that with appropriate
project/subproject separation then the
Congratulations, new user group members!
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 11:17 PM, Carlos M. Colina ma...@wikimedia.org.ve
On behalf of the Affiliations Committee, I am honored to announce the
recognition  of a new User Group in the United States - the North
I have written a short piece on the WMCON and some interesting aspects
about the organizational future of User Groups.
Thanks for the initiative!
El vie., 29 de may. de 2015 8:53, Hasive Chowdhury nhas...@wikimedia.org.bd
Just complete the survey. Nice initiative.
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 4:13 AM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk
On 28 May 2015 at 20:57,
. I would be happy to advise on some of the
proposed ideas if there are people interested in leading them.
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 2:04 AM, David Cuenca Tudela dacu...@gmail.com
I have written a short piece on the WMCON and some interesting aspects
could you pleas share that on Meta?
On 30 May 2015 at 06:13, David Cuenca Tudela dacu...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Asaf and Juan Bautista,
Thanks a lot for your comments, I am glad to have some feedback on these
ideas that were discussed during the WMCON
During this Wikimedia Conference 2015 there was a paradigm shift in the way
problems are expressed. It was highlighted that the wikimedia movement is
not only about gathering and sharing knowledge, but also about the people
behind it, about finding ways to enhance the togetherness that is created
On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 7:22 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
I don't know how you're going to shoehorn we into Wikimedia movement.
I guess, similar to putting the me in team, it will require
transposing letters? Or perhaps dropping letters altogether (since we[!]
already have a W and
On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk
How can we [l]itigate against this, while making our projects more social?
regarding your question I guess there is no definite answer, perhaps it is
something inherent to social systems, so in a way there
I third that!
However we are entering the field of privacy, because as useful the virtual
meetings can be, they might be intrusive if you are in your home and you
show your whole house to the world. As long as people are happy about that,
then I do not see any problem in increasing the number of
> Behalf Of Ed Saperia
> Sent: Friday, 26 February 2016 10:51 AM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization
> A Wikimedia monastery! ^_^
> Sent from my iPhone
> > On 26 Feb 2016, at 08:39, David Cuenc
I think there are more ways of supporting volunteers than just paying them
cash. For instance another option could be to offer them a place to stay,
food and healthcare. That is how many volunteer programs work, like
workaway or woofing, and I don't see anything wrong with it.
Would it be an
I am starting a new thread because I disagree with the idea that the WMF
should be a high-tech organization as the other thread by Brion seemed to
suggest. Yes, technology is a tool that we use in our mission to gather and
process all forms of human knowledge, but in the end the driving force is
On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 8:10 PM, Brion Vibber <bvib...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> David, you appear to be agreeing strongly with me, not disagreeing. :)
> -- brion
> On Sunday, February 28, 2016, David Cuenca Tudela <dacu...@gmail.com>
James, I think it is very nice to put measures against paid editing, but it
would be nicer to put measures to get editors more free time to edit
There are not that many suggestions on how to do it, so it could be that it
cannot be done.
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:14
for its users and administrators across all its projects,
> and purge all rogue editors (along with their self serving
> so-called""community" policies) who are damaging the credibility of
> its projects, including through paid editing.
Congratulations, Katherine! I hope that you have a good start in your new
position, and that the challenges ahead don't overwhelm you.
On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Steven Crossin wrote:
> What Oliver said. Katherine was my pick for interim ED as well. Im
On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
> Wikidata and Wikipedia have very different purposes: Wikipedia is an
> encyclopedia to be read; Wikidata is a database. No one reads a database.
> The whole purpose of a database is to have its content multiplied and
> by volunteers, and bearing in mind that the CC-0 licence has the potential
> of obscuring the origin of the data, cutting the very feedback loop your
> argument relies on for a substantial subset of end users.
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 1:57 PM, David
I was looking for some lichen images on Commons and I was wondering how can
I show a grid of images. I tried several options but nothing, I think that
there was some hack to make the search results look more like Google
images, or maybe I am wrong?
Is this part of the Discovery team work?
Thanks for explaining your reasoning, which hints towards a lack of
tolerance and understanding towards people wearing several hats. It doesn't
have an easy solution, as there is too much lack of trust.
The only thing I wish is that your decision enables you to participate in
Thanks Emeric,I will take a look.
On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Sydney Poore
> Thank you, Emeric. I appreciate the commitment for community engagement.
> Warm regards,
> On Mar 25, 2016 9:44 AM, "Emeric Vallespi"
"P.S. I plan to leave my job at the WMF if elected."
Then I hope you don't get elected, because it would be sad to see yet
another valuable staffer quit, regardless the noble reasons...
On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Legoktm
free internet to promote their obscenities and lies in
> India ... TO IMMEDIATELY PROHIBIT ANY FREE INTERNET ACCESS OVER MOBILE
> DEVICES .. " 
Congratulations Abraham! I wish you a good start in your new position!
On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Tim Moritz Hector <
> Dear Wikimedians,
> It is our great pleasure to announce that during last weekend’s Board
> retreat, we voted to appoint Abraham
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 7:14 PM, carl hansen
> also being discussed at
, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:02 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak <dar...@alk.edu.pl>
> hi David,
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 7:52 PM, David Cuenca Tudela <dacu...@gmail.com>
> > Recently the review for the Wikidata conference grant application has
> > sta
gt; ¿No es así?. Como voluntario del Comité de Subvenciones a Conferencias,
> quedo pendiente y en consideración de tú comentario.
> 2017-06-28 13:02 GMT-05:00 Dariusz Jemielniak <dar...@alk.edu.pl>:
> > hi David,
> > On
Recently the review for the Wikidata conference grant application has
started, and I have complained that the funds allocated are insuficient to
cover the needs of the grants. The requested amount for the grants was
36,000 EUR, but in my opinion that should be at least 72,000 EUR.
The recent Wikitribune initiative seems to be based on the premise that the
antidote to fake news is a collaborative news outlet. According to this
premise, readers would confer authority to Wikitribune since they would be
able to participate in the reviewing/reporting process. As a result fake
Are there any activities that could have a meaningful impact if we ask
donors for such amount of seed money? Are there reasons to do so?
Do we have the guts to do so?
Do we have the organizational capital to handle it? Or can we get there
Do we have the moral right to take a lead in the
Normally in our community we used to send angry emails when we were not
happy with how things are going, and we were not sending enough emails of
satisfaction and encouragement. I don't know who started it, but the "what
is making you happy this week" series might be one of the
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 6:00 AM, David Cuenca Tudela <dacu...@gmail.com>
> > Hello everybody,
> > Normally in our community we used to send angry emails whe
I think that's an excellent idea and very much aligned with our commitment
to provide free information also for those who are living under unfavorable
I personally endorse it.
Thanks Cristian for suggesting it.
On Jun 5, 2017 19:11, "Cristian Consonni"
Perhaps it would be a good idea to compare the translated text to the text
that the user wants to save.
If they are more than 95% the same, that means that the user didn't take
the effort to correct the text.
On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Wojciech Pędzich
Thanks for the follow up and for the nice letter that you wrote to the
Turkish Minister. There is something I do not understand about Turkey's
block and maybe you (or somebody else) could offer some insights about it.
Apparently the ban was issued because it was felt that Turkey was
Thanks for the explanation, James!
On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 10:06 AM, James Hare <jh...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 12:55 AM, David Cuenca Tudela <dacu...@gmail.com>
> > Hi Eileen,
> > Thanks for the follow up
I hear your worries. Indeed it seems that resisting the push is taking more
effort than what the community can take under the current circumstances, or
at least it doesn't look sustainable (the RfA chart shown in the last
Signpost  is really clear on that regard).
On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 9:16 PM, James Salsman wrote:
> Paid professionals work alongside volunteers in fire departments and
> hospitals throughout the world. Are there any essential
> characteristics which exclude such cooperation in Wikipedia?
There is a difference, and
OVedits. And that these can offload the burden on admin when things
> getting nasty
> I am not a supporter of paid editors, and think it would be too
> controversial having paid administrators.
> Den 2018-05-26 kl. 09:38, skrev D
On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 7:41 AM, James Salsman wrote:
> I'm not sure that's true. Whether it started as a game of Nomic or
> not, almost all of the admins have been elected through a certainly
> established process.
That someone does an activity or that this person has
You speak so much truth in your words that I'm feeling overwhelmed right
now. Because like a doctor who cares about his patient, you have just very
lovingly and figuratively told me, "you are deeply sick". It hurts, I
struggle accepting the truth, but deep inside I know that the only
Yes, you already made your point earlier, and I addressed it here  and
also in the draft proposal to enable some volunteers to receive donations
for their work . The fact that you neither commented on my reply to your
initial concern, nor on the proposal suggests me several
Thanks for explaining why you didn't answer. I agree with you, these kind
of conversations can be *very* exausting, but in this case I am not looking
for an argument, I am just trying to understand your position better. You
formulated your standing against "regular paid editors not
Since Ed Erhart didn't honor my request of posting in this mailing lists to
discuss the plans to appropriate the Wikimedia Blog for the Wikimedia
Foundation  (although I would have preferred that he had done it himself
as he is the visible face behind this change, and therefore the burden of
On Mon, 11 Jun 2018, 19:39 Gerard Meijssen,
> When you add the animosity when you come with arguments that are not
> considered, it is too much.
Lack of mutual listening is a constant in our movement that I would like to
address one way or another. The animosity depends more on your
lready a lot.
On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 3:06 PM Andrea Zanni
> On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 10:25 PM, David Cuenca Tudela
> Dear David,
> your mail is very long and dense, I don't know where to start:
> so I'll start from a random point ;-)
;> failed to do anything about long-term harassment of a certain user
> >>> directed
> >>> at me - but this unfortunately happened before and will happen later.
> >>> Specifically concerning the administrator issue, in the English
> >>> Wikipedia I
> I could not get enough interest to progress the conversation.
> > You may wish to read
> > and the talk page thereof.
> > R
Hey Yaroslav, thanks for sharing your view. I find very interesting what
you mention, and if you have experienced yourself it must be a real effect
on people. Five years ago, when I was awarded an IEG grant, I didn't feel
the same effect on me. In fact it was quite the opposite, I felt under
I have the feeling that we need to clarify what it means to be a "paid
admin" vs a "community-supported volunteer".
In my definition, a "paid admin" is a person who receives a salary to
perform a delimited function not necessarily aligned with his/her will.
There is a contractual obligation where
t; to receiving some form of payment would potentially make people responsible
> for the content or seen as responsible putting them at greater risk.
> On 26 May 2018 at 22:49, David Cuenca Tudela <dacu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have the feeling that we need to
> For the model now being discussed I see it as comparable to "Wikipedian
> in Residence", perhaps like "Admins (patrollers) financially supported
> by a Community".
> Den 2018-06-01 kl. 10:51, skrev David Cuenca Tudela:
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 4:31 AM, Pine W wrote:
> This sounds like another good question for Nicole.
Indeed, but she might be busy or in vacation. If she doesn't get involved
into this conversation in the next days I will open a new thread about it.
> * There are a number of people who
On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 4:41 PM, Gerard Meijssen
> Just a question. When you pay volunteers, where does it stop?
First of all I must say that what I might say as an answer to those
questions reflects my understanding of this topic now, which is different
than when the conversation
Gnangarra, you have been showing a lot of generosity towards the community
and that is laudable. As you, over the years I have also spent countless
hours in this community, and I do not regret it either, I feel it has been
and it still is a good investment of my time, and my dedication. You, as
It is nice of you that you thought about including these topics in the WMF
strategy process, which I assume it is an ongoing process and not a one-off
event. However as the 2017 cycle ended, I am unable to find the way to
incorporate new ideas into the process. I would have expected to find
> My view is that the Foundation was suddenly (but not without warning)
> made legally responsible for its own content after Trump made hosting
> providers responsible for facilitating online prostitution
> advertising, at pretty much the same time the GDPR went in to effect.
I do not know enough
Members of INGOs can normally apply to special visas. Has such legal status
been considered for the Wikimedia movement as a whole?
On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 12:42 AM Katherine Maher
On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 9:29 AM Jane Darnell wrote:
> But in the past I have felt quite strongly that something was
> really really wrong, but it turned out it was just a factor of me being
> unaware of workflow difficulties experienced by others.
I can subscribe to the sentiment. All the
> contrast/critique of an existing process, than from scratch. In which case
> quirks of a process, like incomplete sections of articles, can serve as
> helpful inspiration.
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 2:03 AM David Cuenca Tudela
> > > The mes
Dear Kaarel & Nicole,
It saddens me that in the selection of candidates our digital projects are
not directly represented.
Where is the representation of volunteers from our digital communities like
Commons, Wikidata, Wikisource, Wiktionary...? It is not the same to have
members that work in
On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 1:34 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
> I fail to understand why, among the dozens of people
> chosen to be part of the Working Groups, there's not a single one that can
> be identified as a representative of that community.
Well, you can slice
tional Working Group members, we
> expect the overall ratio of volunteers will increase and these proportions
> will change
> Thank you for your kind attention and time in bringing these issues up in a
> more public manner and look forward to hearing from you and maybe o
Thanks for sharing the document with us. I read it and I found interesting
to see the different clashes:
- there is no awareness of the individual interpretations of our mission
- the community wants anarchism in order to feel free, however the
organization needs some kind of
Unlike Erik, I don't think an open alternative to Facebook will emerge, the
inertia at this point is too big and you would need a huge critical mass of
people (and organizations) to make it useful. Hard to attain. The only
contender on the long run to FB could be reddit, because they seem to be
Thanks for sharing the plan. Any possibility to include in the plan a
system to archive all reference URLs and external identifiers linked from
Additionally I think it would be interesting to have some research done on
Are there any statistics that track the evolution of page views of
male/female biographies in the different Wikipedias?
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
> E.g. "On a typical (median) day in September 2014, no one read 26 percent
> of the biographies of men versus only 16 percent of the biographies of
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 3:35 AM David Cuenca Tudela
of the average article about a female
> architect as compared to a male architect. It should be noted that there
> is also an inherent bias in that there are far fewer biographical articles
> about women in most categories, as compared to men.
> On Wed, 5 Dec 201
On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 6:17 PM Caitlin Cogdill
> That said, there is a final input which is harder to measure on a per-test
> basis: how do we, our colleagues, and volunteers feel about our messaging?
> This team cares deeply about Wikipedia and the Wikimedia Foundation, and
> about the
Answering the initial question: It depends on how you understand "death".
Wikipedia is the manifestation of a collection of algorithms running in the
minds of thousands of people. With time it could become less popular to run
that algorithm in your life, or you would like to try a different one.
Could you please give an example of the instances that it wouldn't predict
On Fri, 22 Feb 2019, 10:44 Peter Southwood,
> That would be a fair operational definition in our context, but it does
> not predict well for all instances.
On Fri, 22 Feb 2019, 08:27 Amir E. Aharoni,
> What is our definition of knowledge?
In my opinion, the informal definition would be: all the information that
the Wikimedia community allows into their projects.
On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 9:52 AM Amir E. Aharoni <
> Do the people to whom you speak have the same understanding of what our
> definition of knowledge is?
I guess I can make them aware of it from now on :-)
Benjamin and me we had a Skype conversation about this topic. Maybe he can
elaborate with his insights?
On Thu, 21 Feb 2019, 19:11 Mark Rousell, wrote:
> On 18/02/2019 11:04, David Cuenca Tudela wrote:
> > the current definition of knowledge by Wikimedia
Last Friday I participated in a workshop in Brussels where people from
different NGOs met to learn from each other to foster flat,
democratic, and diverse organisations. I was one of four speakers in a
"world cafe" format (basically a circle where participants can
interact with the
> > from Russia with love,
> > farhad
> > https://ru.wikimedia.org/wiki/Smart_region
> > --
> > Farhad Fatkullin - Фархад Фаткуллин http://sikzn.ru/ Тел.+79274158066 /
> > skype:frhdkazan / Wikipedia:frhdkazan / WMRU:
> > 18.02.201
> > --
> > Farhad Fatkullin - Фархад Фаткуллин http://sikzn.ru/ Тел.+79274158066 /
> > skype:frhdkazan / Wikipedia:frhdkazan / WMRU:
> > 18.02.2019, 02:35, "David Cuenca Tudela" :
rhdkazan / Wikipedia:frhdkazan / WMRU:
> 18.02.2019, 02:35, "David Cuenca Tudela" :
> > Hello,
> > Last Friday I participated in a workshop in Brussels where people from
> > different NGOs met to learn from each other to foster flat,
> > dem
recommendation that is even remotely
> related to how can the Wikimedia movement be more truly international, and
> it sounds like there could be something about it there, but even if there
> isn't, is love to hear the rest.
> בתאריך יום ב׳, 18 בפבר׳ 2019, 01:
rve this? Later
> it will be a little bit difficult to find it again on a mailinglist.
> I myself find this point of view of "outsiders" very interesting and worth
> to notice e.g. in strategic discussions.
> Kind regards
> Am Mo., 18. Feb. 2019 um 11:
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