Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-25 Thread Scott Reed
Inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 if they will pay for the equipment. 2 or more if they will share it 0 if I think the potential is there to

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Weirdness!?

2009-09-25 Thread Paul Hendry
Sounds like a duplex mismatch to me. Are both ends set to auto-negotiate and have they both negotiated 100mb/full? Have you checked for errors or discards on the interfaces at either end? -Original Message- From: sa...@michianawireless.com [mailto:sa...@michianawireless.com] Sent: 24

Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for

2009-09-25 Thread Robert West
If we really want to retain the right to prioritize, go rattle the chain of the RIAA. Put the bug in their ear that this will give more speed to the torrents. They have a lobby group that can smack this down. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2009-09-25 Thread Robert West
Would the Free To Air stuff work at all? I have some customers who do Free To Air but I have yet to even look at one of their setups to see what type of content they are getting. But is Free To Air also Free to Rebroadcast??! I tried to deal with Time Warner as just being a reseller of their

Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-25 Thread Robert West
I'll shoot him an email. Thanks! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Why not contract with

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2009-09-25 Thread Curtis Maurand
Try talking to DirectTV or Dish Networks. They'll deal with you to resell. --C Robert West wrote: Would the Free To Air stuff work at all? I have some customers who do Free To Air but I have yet to even look at one of their setups to see what type of content they are getting. But is Free To

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-25 Thread Robert West
I just do whatever it takes to get the cash coming in as long as the money makes sense. I don't give one thought to resell value. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:30 PM

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-25 Thread Robert West
I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday,

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2009-09-25 Thread Robert West
Never thought of that. Anyone else doing this? I'm not up to doing this yet but always planning ahead, maybe in 6 to 12 months. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:44 AM

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2009-09-25 Thread jp
I know they have business partners that handle the MDU / planned community sort of things, and they definitely have the equipment to make it work. However, if you want to transmit television over/under public property/ROW such as public roads or off your private property, you are a cable

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2009-09-25 Thread Robert West
How does DirectTV and the like get out of that red tape mess then? Do they pay franchise fees? Or is beaming from space a bit different in the eyes of the FCC? Just wondering. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp

Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-25 Thread Robert West
Okay, but where am I getting the rmpatheng.exe rmweng.exe and rmweng.hlp files? The archive only has the various language update files. I copied the English updater file though and ran that one. Thanks! I'll try it. Took me a whole 3 hours from start to get to this point with all the

Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for

2009-09-25 Thread Scottie Arnett
My post was more concerning the Computer Inquires Acts. Under II (I think it was) http://www.cybertelecom.org/ci/ , the telcos that were also ISP's, had to have separate operations, meaning couldn't operate under the RBOC/ILEC. III came along and changed it so that a separate subsidiary was no

Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-25 Thread Robert West
So how do I find out what the USGS regions are in order to choose the correct one? I remember being here before and this is pretty much where I gave it up. I can't find it on their maps anywhere. I'm in Ohio, by the way. Thanks! Bob- -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] Odd canopy sync issue

2009-09-25 Thread Marco Coelho
If you are not using a CMM, the sync source you are using may be providing sync at a different phase (timing) than the standard cmm. Marco On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: As some of you know we replaced a Canopy AP. The old one was GPS synced by a

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-25 Thread Mike Hammett
Resell value? What's that? I don't care about the resale value on anything I ever purchase. I want it because I want it, I don't care what someone else wants. There probably would never be a someone else for anything I buy anyway. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2009-09-25 Thread Mike Hammett
Bob, sadly there isn't. I've talked to many of them and their hands are tied because Viacom, NBC Universal, etc., etc. won't license it over wireless networks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From:

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2009-09-25 Thread Mike Hammett
Who will let me bundle DirecTV? NRTC has a program that does that, but their contract with DirecTV is under renegotiation, so they're not taking new customers. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From:

Re: [WISPA] Odd canopy sync issue

2009-09-25 Thread Eje Gustafsson
But why wouldn't more than 2 clients associate to the AP? And it's always the same 2 depending on the frequency. For example on 2415 I have two clients one at a -57 signal if I change frequency this -57 client will not associate and I never see more then 2. My understanding with GPS sync is it's

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-25 Thread jree...@18-30chat.net
Rural-Urban. 7kft mountains with 3kft valleys. Highest tower is currently 1300ft over the valley and links 3 towns + rural. Working on access to a new site 30 miles away (los), 5kft elevation, would link in 4 new towns and adding around 2200sqmiles (about twice the current coverable area). In

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Weirdness!?

2009-09-25 Thread Blair Davis
Force the eth to 10M and see how it changes things. sa...@michianawireless.com wrote: Ok, Im going bonkers. We are getting ping drops from our Mikrotik devices to the other. Our main router is PC based with one of those 4 port RB cards in it. Starting the other day out of the blue the net

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2009-09-25 Thread Curtis Maurand
You pay per customer, but you get a wholesale rate. They love it because you aggregate a whole bunch of billing for them. --C Robert West wrote: How does DirectTV and the like get out of that red tape mess then? Do they pay franchise fees? Or is beaming from space a bit different in the

[WISPA] 5.8Ghz Sector Antenna Recommendations

2009-09-25 Thread pat
Looking to add a few 5.8GHz sectors, and I would like know what everyone else is using. My first on that will go up ASAP is a 120' sector antenna, HPOL, N-connector. Thanks, Pat WISPA Wants You! Join today!

Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Sector Antenna Recommendations

2009-09-25 Thread jp
For vertical we like the MTI ones that Alvarion provides in their kits. For horizontal, the Pac wireless is actually pretty good. We had some superpass vertical ones, but they failed after about two years on the tower, and the mounting was less than ideal. On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:38:32AM

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-25 Thread Josh Cheney
Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... Robert West wrote: I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-25 Thread Josh Luthman
Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2009-09-25 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Tell that to espn. marlon - Original Message - From: Clint Ricker cric...@kentnis.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality Tom, Your hypothetical about Comcast, etc... creating private networks is

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-25 Thread Josh Cheney
My point wasn't that there are no alternative ways to access information on the web, but rather one should consider the scenarios where this sort of information will be the most useful. If you are most commonly going to need a tool or a piece of information in a particular situation, you need

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-25 Thread Josh Luthman
Personally I don't have anyone to call, either. If you're at a customer site and things don't work and you need documentation just think about it - you have no connectivity anywhere, no matter where you store your data it is out of reach. If you copy it locally, which really isn't feasible to

Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-25 Thread Mike Hammett
http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version2_1/SRTM1/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List'

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2009-09-25 Thread Mike Hammett
There's a difference between being a DirecTV dealer and providing DirecTV service. You CAN get a wholesale rate on DirecTV services, include it on your bill for whatever markup, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2009-09-25 Thread Mike Hammett
The local governments have no say. They can't regulate the airwaves, and the airwaves are what crosses property lines. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com

Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Sector Antenna Recommendations

2009-09-25 Thread Mike Hammett
MTI, no doubt. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: pat p...@inlandnet.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 1:38 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Sector Antenna

Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-25 Thread Mike Hammett
I Googled for SRTM, went to the first link and followed the instructions on how to download, which has the region map. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com

Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Sector Antenna Recommendations

2009-09-25 Thread Josh Luthman
You want the MT-484034/NH Call Daniel White, 3db networks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2009-09-25 Thread Clint Ricker
? On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Tell that to espn. marlon - Original Message - From: Clint Ricker cric...@kentnis.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2009-09-25 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
Here's a great historical perspective on DSLREPORTS: http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/What-Network-Neutrality-Is-REALLY-About -104631 . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Clint Ricker Sent: Friday,

Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-25 Thread Jerry Richardson
http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version2_1/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 9:07 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-25 Thread Robert West
I can see where that would make sense due to the terrain. The micropops can let you bend and curve your coverage. Every place needs a solution, that seems to be the one. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-25 Thread Robert West
We do it old school in that case, tether the cell to the laptop. :) No fancy iPhone on this end! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Cheney Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 2:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject:

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-25 Thread Robert West
I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM

Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-25 Thread David E. Smith
Since we're sorta turning this into a general Radio Mobile questions thread... Anyone know how to tell Radio Mobile, when you save a map, to save units as drawn on the map, as part of the picture? When you look at a map on-screen, you can have it overlay units on the map. When you save the

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-25 Thread Robert West
And my wife complains, Why do you always have to take those tools with you everywhere we go? DUH! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Cheney Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject:

Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-25 Thread Robert West
Thanks Mike. They make it so easy, these government operations. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2009-09-25 Thread Robert West
Which is why I talked to Time Warner about it because our salesman told me we could resell at a wholesale rate and then we do the billing and mark it up and we pay Time Warner the lump sum for the wholesale. Both video and road runner. However, he failed to mention that it was limited to

Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-25 Thread Robert West
Smart ass. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software I Googled for SRTM, went to the first link and

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-25 Thread Josh Luthman
I have an ATT aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their DNS was

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-25 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for always-on-everywhere. It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the US. I get 1.35 mbps download virtually everywhere I try it in the US...Texas cities, DC, NYC, etc. Using their MediaNet, it's $10 a month for

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-25 Thread Josh Luthman
It works in cities, sure. Does it work where your customers (WISP subs) are? On 9/25/09, Jonathan Schmidt jeschm...@jeschmidt.com wrote: I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for always-on-everywhere. It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-25 Thread RickG
Come to rural Kentuckyh and see if it works :) On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jonathan Schmidt jeschm...@jeschmidt.com wrote: I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for always-on-everywhere. It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the US. I get

Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software

2009-09-25 Thread Scott Reed
On clarification, when you save a map, RM does not save the picture. Saving a picture is a separate function. If you save the picture as a JPG, it also creates a KML file. While the picture does not have the units which you can open the kml in Google Earth. If you have the units there as

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-25 Thread Chuck Hogg
Outside of major cities here in KY we are lucky to have Edge. Max I've seen on Edge is about 200k, and that is pushing it. YMMV. I've got a built-in ATT card, and I just take the sim out of my phone to put in the laptop. Works like a charm, and never had any issues billing wise either.

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-25 Thread Robert West
ATT seems to have way too many issues with their DNS. They were down again for a 3 days last week in some areas around us. Oh, but they will never admit it! NOOO! It's always the customers fault and then they drag it into us where we have to tell them it's ATT. No, they said it was my

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-25 Thread Josh Luthman
I have 3G (enough to make a series of phone calls for a 15 minute conversation). I don't care if it's 200k. Just that I can get connected and at least crawl!!! On 9/25/09, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Outside of major cities here in KY we are lucky to have Edge. Max I've seen on Edge

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-25 Thread Robert West
Damn, that's a good setup then! ATT has a decent domestic setup from my experience with setting them up for customers. They even have a decent way to get internet access for no extra cash if the phone is setup right. Not exactly ethical but I would think that since the instructions have been on

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-25 Thread Josh Luthman
I have 3G (enough to make a series of phone calls for a 15 minute conversation). I don't care if it's 200k. Just that I can get connected and at least crawl!!! On 9/25/09, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Outside of major cities here in KY we are lucky to have Edge. Max I've seen on Edge

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-25 Thread Robert West
Josh, You know as well as I do, nothing works when and where you REALLY need it! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-25 Thread Robert West
I have problems getting even my Sirius radio to work in some parts of Kentucky! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-25 Thread Josh Luthman
Problems seeing up? On 9/25/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I have problems getting even my Sirius radio to work in some parts of Kentucky! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday,

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-25 Thread Robert West
Up isn't the issue, have to have a good enough side angle to see one of the satellites. If you're in a holler even the sun doesn't shine. Shade or dark 23.5 hours a day. Happens to me in some areas of Tennessee too. Steep mountains or hills on both sides and no where to look but straight up.

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-25 Thread Robert West
But no matter where you area you can always get at least 2 stations on the regular old radio. County or Rap. If they would play it on the same station we could call it crap. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh

Re: [WISPA] Micropops

2009-09-25 Thread jree...@18-30chat.net
Thats the point of the mpops. There are few places where I can not find some part of my network (or some other open wireless). I carry a PS2 and a bullet5 with 19db panel. Inverter in the van, spare battery + 200ft 10/3 cord, 10ft pole + tripod + cinder blocks. I can run down the block and drop a