Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

[Mike Bushard Jr]

I'd look at Imagestream or Vyatta. Cisco, like you say is pretty high priced
(You'd probably want a ASR1K). I love my Foundry routers, but they don't do
services (Great at moving packets though) i would look to a CER from
Foundry, but price will still be higher than you may want, think 10k.







On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Nick  wrote:

>  They need to run up to 1Gbps. ATT is installing a 1Gbps connection.
> Realistically I don't think they'll use that all of the time, probably in
> the 500-750Mbps range. No clue on average packet size.
>
>
> On 2/2/2011 10:57 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
>
>  How much real throughput do they need?  Any idea of the average packet
> size?
>
>
>
> You could use an ImageStream Rebel router for a WHOLE LOT less than the
> Cisco:
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> http://www.imagestream.com/Rebel.html
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> I have a customer that needs a router capable of routing up to 1Gbps of
> traffic - AT&T Ethernet handoff. Should only really need 1 WAN port and
> 1 LAN port. What's everyone else using? They have shunned the idea of a
> RouterMaxx or PowerRouter. They prefer to stick with Cisco, Adtran, or
> Foundry.
>
> Cisco doesn't seem too cost effective; the only thing I've found that
> will run that much traffic is a 7206 with a G2. Anything newer and we're
> in the $20k-$40k range.
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> Should I be looking at Layer 3 switches? They shouldn't need any
> firewall or filtering on this device.
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Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -

[Mike Bushard Jr]

I was 21.

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:

> On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40

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Well, our conglomerate of dealers isn't too ad to work with, but in our area
they are running right at 4 watts EIRP. I got them to agrre to turn them off
after harvest. They just came in and putt htis stuff up, told the farmer it
wouldn't hurt us at all. I think the biggest issue is that we are on the
same structure, so our yagis ar pointed right at their antenna too. they are
running vertical here, and we run horizontal, but it is still enough to take
us into 1X. they claim they cannot program the hop frequencies. they also
did say that JD is coming out with a new radio this spring and they have
some big incentives to upgrade. the dealer didn't know what frequency it
was, but he said he had to register each site with the FCC. could be
whitespace i suppose, but i didn't think that anything was ready there yet,
otherwise 3650 comes to mind.

The machinery only needs to receive 1 of 10 transmissions, so they can deal
with a lot.




On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Robert West wrote:

> I'm installing an AP soon on a grain leg that has one of those on it.  What
> type of problems have you seen with them?  First one I ever have come
> across, had to ask farmer boy what the heck it was.
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> How many of you have run across the John Deere RTK GPS Repeaters? those are
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Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40

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How many of you have run across the John Deere RTK GPS Repeaters? those are
really fun too.




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Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, DragonWave and whatelse?

[Mike Bushard Jr]

DragonWave has their Horizon Duo, which is a split mount system. If you
enable the second radio in the unit you take a pretty TX power hit though.
No 6ghz radio though, which you will want at 20-25 miles. I had a ton of
problems with my 2 Airpair 11Ghz links. Knock on wood, they have been
running for about a year now though.

Ceragon makes a very good radio, but lead times for 6 and 11ghz high power
stink. I put an order in at the end of October and have really been hounding
them. I should have the rest of my order next week. I bought 5 links, 4
11ghz and 1 6ghz, all high power. If you don't want/need high power it
should be better. I bought IPMAX2 HP because I can move the RFU's indoors if
I want and gain another 3db of TX power.

I also would look at Nera. They have a radio that is pretty nice. No 256qam
or hitless adaptive modulation yet, but price and delivery seem to be
reasonable. Nera also seems to have the best system gain in the market,
102db.

DragonWave will probably be cheapest, but they don't have a split mount 6ghz
radio. No experience with Nera yet, but I plan to this year. I really think
Ceragon has the complete package at this time, but getting equipment is like
pulling teeth.

My 2 cents anyway.

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

Dear All,

we are considering to move to licensed frequencies for back hauling and
therefore some hints would be really appreciated. We are looking at 2
main manufacturers (Ceragon/Dragonwave) so the problem is "which one
fits better for our needs"?

Just to summarize:

a) links are around 20-25 miles
b) antennas: the smaller the better
c) robustness is very important
d) average life: 3 years

>From what I have read in the data sheets I have done the following
considerations:

1) Dragonwave Horizon is nice but only if your site is well protected
from "sabotage and stealing". The "all outdoor" approach is nice but it
has the drawback that if somebody takes the whole unit they will have a
brand new unit working. With the IDU/ODU approach they will have only
half of the "banknote", so after the first or second time, they will not
spend time having something useless.
2) Dragonwave Horizon can be a problem if you don't use fiber from the
unit down to your switch. In few words, we have sites with huge amount
or EM fields, so even using shielded cables (e.g. Belden 1300A) we get
only few ethernet megabits. So we should use fiber to go up the tower,
but maybe be IDU/ODU approach is more robust (comments welcome).
3) All outdoor means that when you have to re-use the devices somewhere
else, you have to buy a whole new thing instead of just swapping the ODU.
4) In any case the (all outdoor or IDU/ODU) when the tower is frozen
(and when I mean frozen I mean a whole block of ice) then it does not
change much, you have to wait the better season to work on that.
5) Performances look more or less the same.
6) I don't know much about prices, I have looked on some website, I am
still exploring this aspect
7) Is anybody using the software-switch capabilities on this devices or
just using them as transparent bridges for your router/switch? Do you
need to reset them often?

Comments are welcome.

Am I missing some other good brand?

Thank you.

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Re: [WISPA] 900 MHz 60 Degree Horizontal Polarization SectorRecommendation

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

http://www.mars-antennas.com/item/279f6cf8acb2-47.html


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Subject: [WISPA] 900 MHz 60 Degree Horizontal Polarization
SectorRecommendation

Does anyone know who makes a 900 MHz horizontally polarized 60-degree 
horizontal beamwidth moderate-to-high quality sector antenna? I can't 
seem to find any.

Thanks in advance for any help.

jack

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Re: [WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments.

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Eric,

Does Alvarion have a -48 DC supply for BreezeNET B and VL?

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FYI... Alvarion is shipping a DC power supply that supports all of the VL
and BreezeNET B radios. The part number is 858554 and model number is the
OPS-DC. It accepts 12-28VDC at 7A max and outputs 55VDC at 1A. It might help
all of the brave souls that work off the grid. 

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Alvarion, Inc.

 

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FYI we had a 11-28vDC input to 48vDC output unit made for the wind/solar
power design:
http://www.demarctech.com/store/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_34/product
s_id/247

While there is some energy loss in the conversion the overall cost and
quality of a 12vDC works out better than using a pure 48vDC when you
consider one could use this design to power other non-48vDC systems.


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I think Paul Gipe is a respected name in wind. I was looking at his  
site over the weekend, he has an older review of the Air-X, he seemed  
to think it should really be rated as a 200 watt generator.
http://www.wind-works.org/articles/sm_AirXtest.html
(I see the company has a newer model out now called the Air Breeze,  
rated at 200watts)

He also links to another test site: http://www.detronics.net/ 
airx_report.pdfThey have another report that lists the advantages  
of running a combination of wind+solar to balance things out over the  
year. But I think this is highly variable, depending on an area's  
sunshine and windspeed.

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Lucaya has complicated things for me by requiring 48V on their new  
radios. (I was just going to run radios directly off 24V batteries)  
Does anyone know about the Powerstream PST-DC2448 (converts DC 24 ->  
48V)  http://www.powerstream.com/dc12-48.htm

Or suggestions on other reasonable ways to keep radios running for  
several days of no power?  All my sites have grid power so far, I've  
decided that my best investment is in batteries.


On March 18, at 11:32 AM March 18, Steve wrote:

> At 9500ft the air is pretty thin and you'll get maximum about 70% the
> rated output at comparable wind speeds.  The curve is probably  
> based on
> sea level air density.  The plus side is that you may be in the clouds
> part of the time and enjoy some air laden with moisture.
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>> I agree. Wind turbines really only produce about 50% of what they
>> claim (even at full wind speed). You will need 4 or 6 of that size
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Re: [WISPA] Shielded Cat5

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

We pay less than 300 per spool. Boun @ CTI.

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We usually use Belden 7919a for tower applications.  It's good cable and
has served us well.  It is however a little pricey.  Can anyone else
recommend a good, shielded exterior grade cable for vertical work that
is less than $325/spool?

 

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Re: [WISPA] exofit tower xp

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We use Midwest unlimited.

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I am not aware of anyone on these lists that sale climbing gear, but I have
a guy that I buy from in Tennessee that will absolutely take care of your
needs. You know me (nuff said> and I just leveled with Cliff years ago -
told him I didn't know what I needed, but could tell him what I was doing.
He fixed me up and educated me. They also have some outstanding catalogs!

Ask for Cliff 

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Re: [WISPA] spectrum analyzers

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

I would look at a anritsu.

I am looking at the BTS Master.

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> What kind of 700 MHz backhauls do you use?  How did you luck out with
> 700 MHz spectrum?

They're not backhauls.

We're running Airspan 700 and SOMA (near WiMax).

We bought spectrum in the first auction and have been running it since
then.  As a geek in the middle of the woods, I can tell you, this is
awful nice stuff to get.



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Subject: [WISPA] spectrum analyzers


>I work for a rural telco/isp doing more and more wireless all the time
> and have reached the point where we need a spectrum analyzer of our
own.
>
> We've got two kinds of 700mhz, 5.8 backhauls, 11 ghz backhauls going
in,
> and a big 1.9/2.1 project underway.
>
> Bet you guys have lots of good advice.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Ned
> -- 
> _
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Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz recommendation

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Get on the Alvarion Webinar next week, 900Mhz VL is coming.

Mike Bushard, Jr
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of chris cooper
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 1:05 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] 900 Mhz recommendation

Im looking at 3 different 900 Mhz PTMTP systems - Trango, WR and
Tranzeo.  Im familiar with WR performance etc.  Can anybody speak to
Trango and Tranzeo?  The Tranzeo cpe price point is pretty compelling.
Ive heard that the new generation Tranzeo works much better than the
original gear. Hit me off list if you care to share your thoughts.

 

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Re: [WISPA] AT&T Wins Licenses to Airwaves

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

ATT will use the 700 Band for LTE, or/and MediaFlo. I highly doubt this
stuff will sit idle.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] AT&T Wins Licenses to Airwaves

2.5 billion?  Oh brother.

Just what anyone needed.  Now there will be even more spectrum with no 
services offered.

And people are going to think, again, that they can just buy spectrum and 
make money from that.
marlon

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Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 10:45 PM
Subject: [WISPA] AT&T Wins Licenses to Airwaves


>
> http://tinyurl.com/3c7pyr
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Re: [WISPA] KGI

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

1500 app fee and monthly rate was not really that great. 800+ per month for
2 omni's and 2 2' dishes.

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Subject: [WISPA] KGI

Anybody leasing from KGI?  What should I expect - good, bad, give up my
right arm etc?

 

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Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

A DragonWave 18Ghz or Ceragon 18Ghz should do that just fine, BridgeWave
80Ghz may even be a solution.

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-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 9:39 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link

Hi all,

I am looking for a licensed link to replace a fiber connection.   I am 
currently paying for a 100meg fiber connection between two of my towers 
and would like to replace it with my own infrastructure.  I own the 
towers on both sides, there is plenty of LOS and the link distance is 
2.9 miles.  The connection currently peaks out at about 30 meg, but I'm 
planning to put remote backup servers on the far side, so I'd like to be 
able to maintain 100meg speeds.

I am interested in finding out what kind of radios people are using for 
this type of link.  The fiber connection costs me $500/month, and I'd 
like to be able to pay for the link within 2.5 years, so that puts a  
$12-15K  price range on it.Vendors, feel free to contact me off-list 
about this one.

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Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

I'm wondering the same thing, Chuck. It is such a good list, so many answers
can be had. I am going to try and talk the boss man into paying for it, but
I don't know if he will. It's really amazing what he will/wont spend money
on...

WISPA should create Vendor specific lists....

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service

WiMax is sure getting lots of press.  Especially at CES.  Funny, they are 
talking up the Sprint roll out but Sprint has bailed.  Still smoke and 
mirrors compared to Canopy but I guess we might as well capitalize on the 
buzz.

While blathering on here, a business mentor told me long ago to contribute 
to all candidates for local office, not just the one you like.
I guess that applies to email lists as well.  Not saying I don't like WISPA,

just never have taken the time to participate.  I believe I am a sponsor but

on the home page I don't see any sponsor info.  I may not be looking in the 
right space.

In any event, I guess I will be on two lists now.  Any bets on what is going

to happen to the "other" list?

- Original Message - 
From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service


>I didn't say we said we were WiMAX. I said :
>
> " well, this is what we do" "we use microwave to reach you rather than
> use the telephone or cable company".
>
> And then I sometimes also say " What we have been doing , going into our
> 10th year here, is what WiMAX is all about".
>
> Sometimes people actually ask about WiMAX, and we explain it to them,
> but it's not easily understood, the difference.
>
>  Finding myself explaining about licensed and unlicensed spectrum and
> standards that aren't set is not an easy conversation, unless the person
> is technically savy.
>
> So I keep it simple.
>
> George
>
>
>
>
>
> Chuck McCown - 2 wrote:
>> I guess as long as your over the air protocol conforms to 802.16 you can 
>> say
>> you are WiMax.
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service
>>
>>
>>> I find myself referring to WiMAX when describing our service.
>>>
>>> We use the term "broadband" to describe our service. When asked to
>>> explain the difference between our broadband and the others, it's
>>> getting easy to say "you have heard of WiMAX right?" " well this is what
>>> we do" "we use microwave to reach you rather than use the telephone or
>>> cable company".
>>>
>>> Now they think abit, and WiMAX and WiFi are similar sounding and most
>>> have heard the terms, so they sort of get it, but most importantly, they
>>> are very accepting of the technology.
>>>
>>> So "I like WiMAX" and I like finally hearing a name that describes and
>>> differentiates us from other technologies.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> George Rogato
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] sources

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

DFcco.com

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 5:45 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] sources

Hi,

Where is everyone buying their "J-mounts" for doing installs? I use 
about 100 per month and my previous source no longer carries them.

thanks,

Travis
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Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Do your radios have sub channelization?

I Congratulate you on the build, but I have to question if stuff like this
is not part of the total misunderstanding of WiMAX (what it is and isn't). I
really don't think WiMAX is the right term, Maybe WiMAX based, but it
definitely is not WiMAX.

We just turned up our first WiMAX base station today. Running 2.5Ghz and
using 16e ready hardware. I'm Not trying to steal glory here, just making a
point.


Mike Bushard, Jr
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX
Service
Importance: Low

Steve Stroh wrote:
> Fixed WiMAX profiles for 3.5 (non-US), but NOT 3.65 GHz in the US because
of
> the unique "contention protocol" requirements (systems for 3.65 GHz should
> be considered proprietary and quite possibly non-interoperable).
> 
The lower 25Mhz of 3.65Ghz does not have a "contention protocol" 
requirement. However, if the radio implements contention then it won't 
be restricted to the lower 25Mhz. As of today, only WiMAX radios have 
been certified for 3.65Ghz.

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RE: [SPAM] [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Hmmm. I didn't know their was a profile for 3650......

Mike Bushard, Jr
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:08 AM
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Subject: [SPAM] [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service
Importance: Low

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service
And Provide the Atlanta Metro Market with New Wireless Offerings

ATLANTA (January 9, 2008) - One Ring Networks announced today that it 
will be launching WiMAX service in the Atlanta Metro area using licensed 
spectrum it was recently granted.  The grant which gives One Ring access 
to 50Mhz of spectrum between 3650Mhz and 3700Mhz has favorable 
propagation characteristics.  WiMAX is a wireless technology which 
allows broad coverage with data-rich connectivity unlike Wi-Fi which is 
unlicensed and limited to small hot-spots.  One Ring will couple this 
spectrum with WiMAX equipment to offer a wide array of wireless business 
offerings.  By using the company's existing and extensive wireless 
infrastructure, the entire metropolitan Atlanta area and surrounding 
cities can expect to see new, economical, and innovative offerings as a 
result of the company's WiMAX network.

One Ring has aggressive rollout plans that will bring WiMAX to all major 
Atlanta sub-markets in 2008. Additionally, the company has plans for a 
multi-market initiative to expand the reach of its services to 
businesses throughout select metropolitan markets.  "Our new WiMAX 
offering will allow us to provide Atlanta businesses with a whole new 
value proposition," said Matt Liotta, CEO of One Ring Networks. 
"Businesses across metro Atlanta are increasingly discovering the 
limitations of T1s and the need for truly diverse telecommunication 
services."

In the United States, an estimated 2 percent of buildings have access to 
fiber. That means 98% of businesses don't have any access alternative. 
As a fiber and fixed-wireless provider, One Ring now has the 
infrastructure to offer access solutions to both large and small 
businesses regardless of their proximity to fiber."Companies often 
struggle with business continuity issues related to their telecom 
infrastructure," said Kris Maher, Director of Sales for One Ring 
Networks.  "Most businesses can't afford a fiber build and are excited 
to learn about a wireless solution." One Ring's deployment of WiMAX 
technology will emerge as an alternative broadband solution for a range 
of business services where deployment of landline-based technologies is 
cost prohibitive.

About One Ring Networks
One Ring Networks operates one of the largest hybrid fiber-fixed 
wireless networks in the United States and is one of the few carriers 
offering end-to-end telecommunications and networking services that are 
truly diverse. Over its state-of-the-art network, One Ring offers 
high-speed data services and feature-rich IP phone services.

For Press Inquiries, please contact:
Suzanne Urash
CRE8 Group, Inc.
813-649-8504
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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RE: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory?

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Brian Webster does this. www.wirelessmapping.com

He does a great job, and the price is well worth it.

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of ralphlists
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 11:55 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory?

Sure I will do it. Probably be Sat afternoon b4 I can though. Gotta do a
router upgrade at one of our POPs


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Valenti
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:30 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory?

Say Ralph, I don't suppose your offer extends to others?

I've looked at Radio Mobile a few times, but didn't want to invest  
the time to figure it out.  My current method involves using google  
earth, drawing a line between the two points, then sliding the cursor  
along it to see elevations (while sort of watching the vegetation).   
Not exactly scientific!

If you don't mind doing a path analysis for me, here's one:

Site A:  42°55'59.62"N 84°14'55.80"W   I'm using a grain leg here.

Site B:  43° 0'15.15"N 84°11'37.26"W   ( I can get a gigabit  
ethernet connection here -- well, could only afford 5Mbit, but  
still ...)

I would need to build a tower at site B, but how high does it need to  
be?   It is only a 5.5 mile jump, and the elevation doesn't change  
much, so I would think 70' might work (enough to clear the trees,  
plus some). The grain leg is about 80', the connection would be  
5.8GHz.

If you would be willing to run Radio Mobile with this, I would love  
to see the results. Might encourage me to spend more time with it.

And if not, well thanks for your time and happy new year!

-John
Maple River Networks, LLC
Laingsburg Michigan

(PS - started a wisp last year. I'm just doing it part-time for now,  
only about 25 households connected. But I have about 8 POPs setup,  
working on a better backhaul before I focus on more customers.   
Currently using a DSL connection that I can't get at on weekends --  
was solid for most of the year, but died over Thanksgiving weekend so  
I was down 3 days. And then power went out and killed it for 6 hours  
on Christmas)


On December 28, at 12:31 PM December 28, ralphlists wrote:

> Patrick- if you need some done, I'll be glad to do it for you.
> Here's the URL- it is a bit hard to find.
> http://www.cplus.org/rmw/english1.html
>
> Ralph





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RE: [WISPA] OT......Question

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

I did basically the same thing a long time ago with Partition Magic and OSXL
boot loader. I resized the Windows partition, created a small one for OSXL
and used the remaining space for linux.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:29 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] OT..Question

Sorry for this one guys.  Everyone knows I'm an RF guy not a network  
guy so hence the question...and it is wireless in naturesort of

I bought a new laptop for one of my guys. It of course has the  
dreaded MS Vista on it.  Is it possible to partition the hard drive,  
delete the OS on one partition and load XP without doing anything to  
the Vista OS??? If yes is there a freeware or other program available  
to assist my non-OS compliant butt???  :-)

If you want to reply offlist thats fine.

Tnx.

-B-

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RE: [WISPA] Canopy 900 Cap

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

900Mhz can handle roughly 60-70 subs per AP. Now this all depends on the
packages being offered, how much each sub uses their connection, etc.

2.4Ghz would be the best bet it have Line of sight to all the rooftops. Then
you can run 100+ per AP.

Mike Bushard, Jr
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Kirb Nesbitt
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 1:37 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Canopy 900 Cap

Was hoping some one might comment on what the typical max subscriber
loading per Canopy 900 Mhz AU might be, assuming a per sector loading,
or a simple omni config.
I have been asked by a friend to evaluate the local ISP's ability to
service his new cottage development (350 lots) vs the option of building
out his own network to service his residents and some additional planned
development in the vicinity.
Incumbent provider is running 900 Mhz Canopy (~6.5 miles to tower).
Irrespective of the fact some of the coverage region comes up pretty
iffy, particularly when trees are introduced amongst the cottage lots,
my suspicion is there's going to be a need for additional infrastructure
based solely on current capacity requirements (150 lots initially).
Appreciate all comments, and thanks for all the great reading in the
past (have been in R.O. for some time).

Regards,
Kirb Nesbitt, Bsc., VE6IV



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RE: [WISPA] Fw: Tower Sway

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

I really don't think that one would meet the twist and sway requirements for
rev G.....

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 1:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: Tower Sway

That's a very scary video. I don't see any torque arm brackets on the 
FBI tower nor does it appear that the tower itself is large enough to 
hold that many large antennas. As Jeromie observed, one of the guy wires 
has already snapped.

It's only a matter of time before total collapse.

jack


Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> Holy error rates Batman!
>
> LOL, even *I* know this isn't the way to build a tower for all of 
> those big dishes.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message - From: "Kris Kirby" <>
> To: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 6:56 PM
> Subject: Tower Sway
>
>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jP-5fdYQ5Y
>>
>> -- 
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>> But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility.
>> --rly 
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RE: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

It does matter though. If the rules state that you can not do something,
don't do it, it is really simple. I never read the rules, and never applied
for one. The thing people need to understand is the FCC is probably the last
person, next to the IRS, that you want watching you. The FCC knows what was
going on, and they took notes I am sure, someday it could come to bite all
of us in the but......

Mike Bushard, Jr
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320-256-9478 Fax
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 9:47 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP

As I remember the rules for the experimental license applications, it 
specifically says that they can't be used for commercial purposes.

But it really doesn't matter, the FCC knew what was being done with the 
bands and wanted to see what would happen anyway.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Stroh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP


> An experimental license allows you to test systems, spectrum, or
> techniques that otherwise aren't normally allowed.
>
> I know of a number of service providers that used their 3650
> experimental licenses for commercial service. As I understand it,
> commercial operations aren't DISALLOWED by the Part 5 experimental
> license rules. What those rules DO state is that the Part 5 license
> doesn't give you any special preference whatsoever when the FCC deems
> that the period of your experimental license is up... like it would be
> now that the 3650 rules are set and commercial service is commencing.
>
> Those experimental deployments that I heard about were PMP for
> backhaul and for access for business customers; I haven't heard of any
> 3650 residential deployments, though that would be feasible using 3.5
> Fixed WiMAX CPE that has been updated for 3650 rules.
>
> It was kept pretty quiet, except with the vendors that were supplying
> "experimentally compliant" 3650 gear, but there were MANY larger
> Broadband Wireless Internet Access Service Providers who used
> experimental licenses similar to Covad's rationale quoted in Dylan
> Oliver's message. While all those deployments had to be similarly
> couched in "yes, we acknowledge it's experimental..." language, they
> all used such systems for commercial, revenue service... THAT was the
> "experiment" - to see if it was feasible, economical, and reliable. It
> worked; looks like 3650 will be quite the success, especially with the
> mandated coordination / non-interference between competing service
> providers in urban areas.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve
>
> On Nov 19, 2007 12:39 PM, Matt Liotta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Those of that have using experimental licenses only got to test things
>> such as propagation. We where not allowed to provide commercial
>> services. Anyone who might have used their license incorrectly is
>> certainly not going to admit to it on a public list. Therefore, your
>> question cannot be answered.
>>
>>
>> -Matt
>>
>
> -- 
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RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

See, I'm Not always crazy.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:43 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

Doh!  I see it now. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:37 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

It's in the protocol list. I just read it before.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:34 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

Probably...dang sales people!  :-)

I read over the brief, and I don't see any mention of encryption.  

Jeff
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:21 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

I suppose they want to track you for sales purposes..

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:18 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

Looks like you have to have a password Mike,

Jeff
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:14 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

http://www.allot.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=25

Here is the Protocol List.

They must be able to match some sort of signature.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:54 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

I'd be very interested in knowing how they do that.  The point of encryption
is to mask the traffic, so layer 7 packet inspection should not be able to
tell what is there.

Jeff
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:44 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

I haven't specifically tested it, but they say that the Deep Packet
Inspection engine will mark and rate limit Encrypted Peer 2 Peer traffic. I
know my AC-802 does a very good job of marking and shaping traffic. 

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:32 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

How does the Allot box handle the encrypted ptp traffic Mike?

Jeff
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:48 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

Buy an Allot Box.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:57 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

How do you identify it if it is encrypted?

Jeff 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

Call Butch,

We set ALL ptp traffic to share a single 128k connection.  >:-)

laters,
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- Original Message -
From: "Ron Wallace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:58 PM
Subject: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures


> To All,
> The issue of P2P rears its relatively unattractivehead in my neck of 
> the woods from time to time. This is one of those times.
> - So, what is everyone doing to

RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

It's in the protocol list. I just read it before.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:34 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

Probably...dang sales people!  :-)

I read over the brief, and I don't see any mention of encryption.  

Jeff
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:21 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

I suppose they want to track you for sales purposes..

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:18 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

Looks like you have to have a password Mike,

Jeff
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:14 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

http://www.allot.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=25

Here is the Protocol List.

They must be able to match some sort of signature.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:54 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

I'd be very interested in knowing how they do that.  The point of encryption
is to mask the traffic, so layer 7 packet inspection should not be able to
tell what is there.

Jeff
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:44 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

I haven't specifically tested it, but they say that the Deep Packet
Inspection engine will mark and rate limit Encrypted Peer 2 Peer traffic. I
know my AC-802 does a very good job of marking and shaping traffic. 

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:32 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

How does the Allot box handle the encrypted ptp traffic Mike?

Jeff
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:48 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

Buy an Allot Box.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:57 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

How do you identify it if it is encrypted?

Jeff 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

Call Butch,

We set ALL ptp traffic to share a single 128k connection.  >:-)

laters,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message -
From: "Ron Wallace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:58 PM
Subject: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures


> To All,
> The issue of P2P rears its relatively unattractivehead in my neck of 
> the woods from time to time. This is one of those times.
> - So, what is everyone doing to'counter' the influx of traffic from P2P?
> - What are the most effective "P2P countermeasures" that you have 
> employed, lately?
> - For those fo you that respond, I will put it all in a file and make 
> it available to all, via Scriv.
> Heck who should approve the dumpingofthat info onto WISPA - Rick 
> Harnish -

> I'll checkwith him.
> Ron Wallace
> Hahnron, Inc.
> 220 S. Jackson Dt.
> Addison, MI 49220
>
> Phone: (517)547-8410
> Mobile: (517)605-4542
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
&

RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

If that is true, it would work. If you could match the handshake, you could
track the connection form there.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

I believe the initial request is unencrypted, then the communication goes
encrypted.  Don't ask me for details, but this is what I've heard.

Mark Nash
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax

- Original Message - 
From: "Jeff Broadwick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:54 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures


> I'd be very interested in knowing how they do that.  The point of
encryption
> is to mask the traffic, so layer 7 packet inspection should not be able to
> tell what is there.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:44 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures
>
> I haven't specifically tested it, but they say that the Deep Packet
> Inspection engine will mark and rate limit Encrypted Peer 2 Peer traffic.
I
> know my AC-802 does a very good job of marking and shaping traffic.
>
> Mike Bushard, Jr
> Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
> 320-256-WISP (9477)
> 320-256-9478 Fax
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:32 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures
>
> How does the Allot box handle the encrypted ptp traffic Mike?
>
> Jeff
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:48 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures
>
> Buy an Allot Box.
>
> Mike Bushard, Jr
> Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
> 320-256-WISP (9477)
> 320-256-9478 Fax
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:57 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures
>
> How do you identify it if it is encrypted?
>
> Jeff
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:41 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures
>
> Call Butch,
>
> We set ALL ptp traffic to share a single 128k connection.  >:-)
>
> laters,
> Marlon
> (509) 982-2181
> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
1999!
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ron Wallace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:58 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures
>
>
> > To All,
> > The issue of P2P rears its relatively unattractivehead in my neck of
> > the woods from time to time. This is one of those times.
> > - So, what is everyone doing to'counter' the influx of traffic from P2P?
> > - What are the most effective "P2P countermeasures" that you have
> > employed, lately?
> > - For those fo you that respond, I will put it all in a file and make
> > it available to all, via Scriv.
> > Heck who should approve the dumpingofthat info onto WISPA - Rick
> > Harnish -
>
> > I'll checkwith him.
> > Ron Wallace
> > Hahnron, Inc.
> > 220 S. Jackson Dt.
> > Addison, MI 49220
> >
> > Phone: (517)547-8410
> > Mobile: (517)605-4542
> > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

http://www.allot.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=25

Here is the Protocol List.

They must be able to match some sort of signature.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:54 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

I'd be very interested in knowing how they do that.  The point of encryption
is to mask the traffic, so layer 7 packet inspection should not be able to
tell what is there.

Jeff
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:44 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

I haven't specifically tested it, but they say that the Deep Packet
Inspection engine will mark and rate limit Encrypted Peer 2 Peer traffic. I
know my AC-802 does a very good job of marking and shaping traffic. 

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:32 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

How does the Allot box handle the encrypted ptp traffic Mike?

Jeff
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:48 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

Buy an Allot Box.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:57 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

How do you identify it if it is encrypted?

Jeff 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

Call Butch,

We set ALL ptp traffic to share a single 128k connection.  >:-)

laters,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
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- Original Message -
From: "Ron Wallace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:58 PM
Subject: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures


> To All,
> The issue of P2P rears its relatively unattractivehead in my neck of 
> the woods from time to time. This is one of those times.
> - So, what is everyone doing to'counter' the influx of traffic from P2P?
> - What are the most effective "P2P countermeasures" that you have 
> employed, lately?
> - For those fo you that respond, I will put it all in a file and make 
> it available to all, via Scriv.
> Heck who should approve the dumpingofthat info onto WISPA - Rick 
> Harnish -

> I'll checkwith him.
> Ron Wallace
> Hahnron, Inc.
> 220 S. Jackson Dt.
> Addison, MI 49220
>
> Phone: (517)547-8410
> Mobile: (517)605-4542
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

I haven't specifically tested it, but they say that the Deep Packet
Inspection engine will mark and rate limit Encrypted Peer 2 Peer traffic. I
know my AC-802 does a very good job of marking and shaping traffic. 

Mike Bushard, Jr
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320-256-9478 Fax
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:32 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

How does the Allot box handle the encrypted ptp traffic Mike?

Jeff
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:48 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

Buy an Allot Box.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:57 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

How do you identify it if it is encrypted?

Jeff 

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

Call Butch,

We set ALL ptp traffic to share a single 128k connection.  >:-)

laters,
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- Original Message -
From: "Ron Wallace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:58 PM
Subject: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures


> To All,
> The issue of P2P rears its relatively unattractivehead in my neck of 
> the woods from time to time. This is one of those times.
> - So, what is everyone doing to'counter' the influx of traffic from P2P?
> - What are the most effective "P2P countermeasures" that you have 
> employed, lately?
> - For those fo you that respond, I will put it all in a file and make 
> it available to all, via Scriv.
> Heck who should approve the dumpingofthat info onto WISPA - Rick 
> Harnish -

> I'll checkwith him.
> Ron Wallace
> Hahnron, Inc.
> 220 S. Jackson Dt.
> Addison, MI 49220
>
> Phone: (517)547-8410
> Mobile: (517)605-4542
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Buy an Allot Box.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:57 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

How do you identify it if it is encrypted?

Jeff 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

Call Butch,

We set ALL ptp traffic to share a single 128k connection.  >:-)

laters,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message -
From: "Ron Wallace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:58 PM
Subject: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures


> To All,
> The issue of P2P rears its relatively unattractivehead in my neck of the 
> woods from time to time. This is one of those times.
> - So, what is everyone doing to'counter' the influx of traffic from P2P?
> - What are the most effective "P2P countermeasures" that you have 
> employed, lately?
> - For those fo you that respond, I will put it all in a file and make it 
> available to all, via Scriv.
> Heck who should approve the dumpingofthat info onto WISPA - Rick Harnish -

> I'll checkwith him.
> Ron Wallace
> Hahnron, Inc.
> 220 S. Jackson Dt.
> Addison, MI 49220
>
> Phone: (517)547-8410
> Mobile: (517)605-4542
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: [WISPA] DC PoE

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

I think HyperLink has something like that. I looked at their reverse pinout
model for canopy.

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Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 11:50 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] DC PoE

Does anyone know of a PoE injector that will output 24 v (for RotuerBoards)
and accepts a ~24 vDC input?  Looking to add external batteries to an APC
1400 and then just tap the ~24 vDC right off the battery.  Save some AC\DC
conversions.

I would also like to note that apparently the APC  isn't a true 24v...  one
I have on my tower now is 27v.  Would this be an issue?


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RE: [WISPA] 3650

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Yup, that's the one. Any idea if they are going to submit it for
certification?

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-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Dylan Oliver
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:37 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650

Maybe you are thinking of the AN-100, which does 3.4-3.6?

http://www.redlinecommunications.com/products/AN100.html

*AN-100*
> Award-winning Carrier-Class Backhaul Solution Redline's award-winning
> AN-100 is a scalable carrier-class broadband wireless solution for *
> point-to-point* and multipoint backhaul networks.



On Nov 16, 2007 9:13 AM, Mike Bushard, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Didn't redline have a 3.5Ghz backhaul that would work in this band? Can't
> find it on the site anymore.
>
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> Subject: [WISPA] 3650
>
> Now that P15 is reporting that 3650 is available, who all makes equipment
> for it?
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RE: [WISPA] 3650

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Didn't redline have a 3.5Ghz backhaul that would work in this band? Can't
find it on the site anymore.

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-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 7:09 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] 3650

Now that P15 is reporting that 3650 is available, who all makes equipment
for it?


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RE: [WISPA] Subscriber Module Mounts?

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Tripods, and chimney mounts come from Ronard industries.

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Guys,

I'm nearing an operational state here, at long last.

Now I'm looking at the "fiddly-bits" that I've
overlooked or minimized for some time.

It has occurred to me that you must have
a preferred brand or style of mounts for
subscriber gear.

(FYI - all my gear will be Motorola Canopy)

I've seen a few mounts that are basically a
"pipe hanger" bracket and a hunk of tubing,
while there are others that are much more
along the lines of SatTV dish installs.

Advise of any kind will be warmly welcomed.

My selection criteria has and always will be,

 Maximum bang for minimum practical bucks.

I see no future in buying stuff that
will have to be replaced in a year or
two. That's penny-wise and pound-foolish.

Thanks to all in advance.

-- 
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General Manager
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Bringing FAST InterNet to the Rest of Us! (sm)

3430 Highway 49
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RE: [WISPA] Subscriber Module Mounts?

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Winegard makes a 36" DSS Mount. We really like it. DS-3000 "J" PIPE MOUNT
they call it, we get ours from DF Countryman. www.dfcco.com


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Behalf Of Dave Brenton
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:28 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Subscriber Module Mounts?

Guys,

I'm nearing an operational state here, at long last.

Now I'm looking at the "fiddly-bits" that I've
overlooked or minimized for some time.

It has occurred to me that you must have
a preferred brand or style of mounts for
subscriber gear.

(FYI - all my gear will be Motorola Canopy)

I've seen a few mounts that are basically a
"pipe hanger" bracket and a hunk of tubing,
while there are others that are much more
along the lines of SatTV dish installs.

Advise of any kind will be warmly welcomed.

My selection criteria has and always will be,

 Maximum bang for minimum practical bucks.

I see no future in buying stuff that
will have to be replaced in a year or
two. That's penny-wise and pound-foolish.

Thanks to all in advance.

-- 
Dave Brenton
General Manager
Rural Tennessee Wireless Broadband, LLC

Bringing FAST InterNet to the Rest of Us! (sm)

3430 Highway 49
Dover TN  37058

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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931.827.4181 (home)
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RE: [WISPA] Canopy SA capabilities

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

2.5Mhz

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Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:24 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Canopy SA capabilities

Does anyone know what the MHz resolution of a canopy 2.4 CPE in SA mode?


thanks,

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RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Ever notice the Software image is smaller on the AES than the DES also

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> hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to
> capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES and
> even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have "Alvarion
> only" type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU
> talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the
> desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation

Those are a couple things I really wish Canopy had.  Why should the
AP/AU transmit at full power to talk to an SM just down the block.
Its RF polution.  Also, why charge extra for AES when its a free
protocol and its less CPU intensive then DES by design.

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RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Motorola...BURNED

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Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:23 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

...by the way, I should also mention that joining the program does NOT
require WISPs to share any of their proprietary business data, like
number of acquired subscribers, etc. It also does not restrict your
access to multipack purchases.

Patrick Leary
AVP, Market Development
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
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Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:20 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I
wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing for
the BreezeACCESS VL product line.

The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the
AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does require some level
of quarterly quantity commitment, but that commitment is very low. The
lowest commitment level is only 10 CPE per quarter and that 10 units can
be made of any combination of 5.3, 5.4 and/or 5.8 GHz CPE. At that level
the price per CPE is only $399 and that includes a full integrated unit
with built-in 19 dBi antenna and the 20-meter shielded outdoor PoE
cable. There is no need with these units to buy reflectors since the
included antenna is already high gain. These units also include
hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to
capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES and
even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have "Alvarion
only" type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU
talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the
desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation
MIR/CIR and tons of other features that have been listed on this list
before.

While commitments can be any number 10 or higher, additional price
breaks trip per the following levels:

Minimum 25 units/quarter: $349
Minimum 50 units/quarter: $325
Minimum 100 units/quarter: $299
Minimum 300 units/quarter: $275

Also, if one signs at any number 25 of higher per quarter we give a
signing incentive bonus of your choice of either:
- 10 free capacity upgrades for CPE ($1,750 value)
- One free upgrade to convert an AUS (I'll explain what that is in a
moment) to a full AU (MSRP $3,300)
- One free WLP VoIP optimization software upgrade (works on the AU and
supports all associated CPE to that AU) (MSRP $2,395)

These choices are offered with only a 25 unit commitment and if one
signs at 50 then the choices doubles, at 100 the choices quadruple,
etc., so basically each 25 brings another free choice. 

The freebies are also given to members upon referral of another WISP
into the program.

Also, the AlvarionCOMNET program provides for very low cost capacity
upgrades for CPE that can be purchased at any time and in any quantity.
An upgrade from 3 Mbps 1 MAC (3 Mbps net down/2 Mbps net up) to a 6 Mbps
full bridge (6 Mbps net down/ 4 Mbps up) is a fixed $175. An upgrade
that can take a 6 Mbps unit to a 54 Mbps (32 Mbps net) unit is a fixed
$250. In order to understand the savings there, consider that a 54 Mbps
CPE is typically $1,995 retail. Through the program the maximum would be
$824 ($399 + $175 + $250). The idea here is that you do not have to pay
for more capacity unless you need it and the subscriber is willing to
pay for it.

Additionally, the program has mechanisms that create further price
reductions based on the collective volume of the entire cooperative (the
entire set of all member CPE shipped each quarter). The additional
discounts are automatic and are tripped at various levels.

I should note also that no billing occurs until the CPE ships each
quarter, so there is no advance payment required. When your ship date
pops up each quarter (a date you set), then the units are drop shipped
directly to you and the billing happens at that point.

So what about infrastructure (the AU side)? These units are not part of
the program and are purchased normally through your selected
AlvarionCOMNET VAR and at any time per your need. There are two types of
AUs. The full AU supports all capacity versions of CPE. AUs ship with
your choice of sector antenna and they provide net throughput of 32 Mbps
(ftp) at the highest modulation. This unit retails for about $5k and the
discount you can expect is something you should inquire about with your
VAR.

The second AU option is called an AUS and it is designed for more rural
markets. The AUS retails for about $2,500 and it supports up to 25 CPE
and can connect to 3 and 6 Mbps CPE versions. It provides the same 

RE: [WISPA] LMR600 Vendor?

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

I got some from CTI. Didn't have the 90deg connector, but I'm sure that
wouldn’t be an issue.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jason Wallace
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:27 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] LMR600 Vendor?

Gang,

I am looking for some 15' LMR600 cables, N-type males both ends, one 
end 90°.  Anyone know where to find them?

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RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

We have some VL in the air, real noisy area. We had to run 10Mhz channels on
H-POL, so we see 11-12Mbps net TCP throughput. We run VOIP on it also, Works
very well. I think we paid somewhere around 4000 per AU, and 399 per
SU-A-5.8-6-BD-VL hardware Rev E. I honestly like it better than Canopy. We
just install it and forget it. This stuff just plain works. Now if only they
would make VL in 2.4Ghz and 900Mhz.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 10:53 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

I'm looking at the same.  I have an email in to Patrick, so we'll see what 
he has to say.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


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Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH



I need to hear from a WISP that's BOUGHT and USES Alvarion VL equipment.

I need to hear real world pricing info, quantities, etc.

If anyone can hit me off list, I'd like to throw a few emails back and
forth.

I'm wondering if my little town coverage project, which was going to be
all cheap wifi equipment, would be better served by using VL as the
backbone / heavy customer equipment.

Got some other wonders...




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RE: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax?

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

And trust me, they need filters with 2 watts.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax?

There specs said 36dbm ( 5 watts ) I thought


On Oct 7, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Mike Bushard, Jr wrote:

> I think it was 300Mil, not 5.
>
> Mike Bushard, Jr
> Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
> 320-256-WISP (9477)
> 320-256-9478 Fax
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas
> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 6:00 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax?
>
> All,
>
> Bear in mind, Clearwire uses their own base station technology,
> which is mostly Nextnet base stations ( now motorola ) . Nextnet's
> performance is not wimax, just really high power base stations and  
> CPE.
>
> 4 QAM / 2 WATT output power / 8dbi directional antenna on the CPE
> and I think around 10 watts on the base in power?
>
> ( originally was nextnet, then mccaw bought them for 50 million, then
> sold it to Motorola in exchange for 500 million in investment )
>
> -
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2007, at 11:04 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
>
>> 2.5 has great range & penetration.  ClearWire, as an example, had
>> solid
>> indoor coverage 2 miles away.  I live in an apartment complex thats
>> "out of
>> coverage area", and it still works - I'm in the bottom floor of an
>> apartment complex, my unit has another unit behind it, a 4 acre  
>> forest
>> conservation area, I stick it in my window, get 2/5 bars on it, and
>> still
>> get 1Mbps...
>>
>> Outdoor, could be many more miles, but the ClearWire indoor-only
>> self-install business model seems superior to all other WISP
>> models, unless
>> you're selling a super-premium business service (fiber/T1
>> replacement).
>>
>> We basically sell Clearwire for all residential, and use our own
>> wireless
>> network for premium business customers only (149/month minimum).
>>
>> On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:56:43 -0400, John Valenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>> Just curious if anyone has seen a coverage map that compares WiFi  
>>> and
>>> WiMax?
>>>
>>> I spent a little bit of time researching WiMax, but decided I would
>>> be unlikely to have a license and to just go with what I have that
>>> mostly works (unlicensed). But I would like to know what WiMax means
>>> in a rural, tree filled environment.
>>>
>>> As a novice WISP (about 18 months now), I can only hope for good
>>> coverage with 2.4GHz to maybe a mile. A rare house might have LOS
>>> farther than that, but generally there will be enough trees in the
>>> way by a mile to block my signal.  (this is using farm grain legs/
>>> silos for the AP, so maybe 150' max AGL)   If I switch to 900MHz,
>>> maybe the distance gets out to 2.5 miles.
>>>
>>> Would a 2.5GHz Wimax AP push the signal much better thru trees?  I
>>> suppose it would make a difference what was at the customer end - a
>>> laptop with a WiMax card vs a fixed, outdoor radio.  And does AP
>>> height help a lot?  I don't see an advantage to paying commercial
>>> tower rates to get above 200' in my situation, but maybe that  
>>> changes
>>> with WiMax.
>>>
>> - 
>> -
>> --
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>>> 2007 at
>>> ISPCON **
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>>> www.ispcon.com **
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RE: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax?

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

I was talking Investment form Moto to CLWR.

NextNet is 2Watts without Filters and 5 With.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax?

There specs said 36dbm ( 5 watts ) I thought


On Oct 7, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Mike Bushard, Jr wrote:

> I think it was 300Mil, not 5.
>
> Mike Bushard, Jr
> Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
> 320-256-WISP (9477)
> 320-256-9478 Fax
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas
> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 6:00 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax?
>
> All,
>
> Bear in mind, Clearwire uses their own base station technology,
> which is mostly Nextnet base stations ( now motorola ) . Nextnet's
> performance is not wimax, just really high power base stations and  
> CPE.
>
> 4 QAM / 2 WATT output power / 8dbi directional antenna on the CPE
> and I think around 10 watts on the base in power?
>
> ( originally was nextnet, then mccaw bought them for 50 million, then
> sold it to Motorola in exchange for 500 million in investment )
>
> -
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2007, at 11:04 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
>
>> 2.5 has great range & penetration.  ClearWire, as an example, had
>> solid
>> indoor coverage 2 miles away.  I live in an apartment complex thats
>> "out of
>> coverage area", and it still works - I'm in the bottom floor of an
>> apartment complex, my unit has another unit behind it, a 4 acre  
>> forest
>> conservation area, I stick it in my window, get 2/5 bars on it, and
>> still
>> get 1Mbps...
>>
>> Outdoor, could be many more miles, but the ClearWire indoor-only
>> self-install business model seems superior to all other WISP
>> models, unless
>> you're selling a super-premium business service (fiber/T1
>> replacement).
>>
>> We basically sell Clearwire for all residential, and use our own
>> wireless
>> network for premium business customers only (149/month minimum).
>>
>> On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:56:43 -0400, John Valenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>> Just curious if anyone has seen a coverage map that compares WiFi  
>>> and
>>> WiMax?
>>>
>>> I spent a little bit of time researching WiMax, but decided I would
>>> be unlikely to have a license and to just go with what I have that
>>> mostly works (unlicensed). But I would like to know what WiMax means
>>> in a rural, tree filled environment.
>>>
>>> As a novice WISP (about 18 months now), I can only hope for good
>>> coverage with 2.4GHz to maybe a mile. A rare house might have LOS
>>> farther than that, but generally there will be enough trees in the
>>> way by a mile to block my signal.  (this is using farm grain legs/
>>> silos for the AP, so maybe 150' max AGL)   If I switch to 900MHz,
>>> maybe the distance gets out to 2.5 miles.
>>>
>>> Would a 2.5GHz Wimax AP push the signal much better thru trees?  I
>>> suppose it would make a difference what was at the customer end - a
>>> laptop with a WiMax card vs a fixed, outdoor radio.  And does AP
>>> height help a lot?  I don't see an advantage to paying commercial
>>> tower rates to get above 200' in my situation, but maybe that  
>>> changes
>>> with WiMax.
>>>
>> - 
>> -
>> --
>>>
>>> ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th
>>> 2007 at
>>> ISPCON **
>>> ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA
>>> www.ispcon.com **
>>> ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT **
>>> ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 **
>>> ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at
>>> http://www.ispcon.com/register.php **
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RE: [WISPA] Roadstar brings fiber speeds wirelessly toNorthern Virginia

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

NiceI've got all Fes and FESX's right now but working on a new plan for
XMR's and MLX's. I want MPLS and BGP to ride across the OSPF backbone.
Can I ask where you are getting them? We buy our foundry stuff from
Goldfield Telecom.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David Hughes
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 5:40 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Roadstar brings fiber speeds wirelessly toNorthern
Virginia

Netirons.



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 4:51 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Roadstar brings fiber speeds wirelessly to Northern
Virginia

Nice, Like the Foundry BackboneAre you running Netiron's or FastIron's?

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

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Behalf Of David Hughes
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 3:33 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Roadstar brings fiber speeds wirelessly to Northern
Virginia







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RE: [WISPA] Roadstar brings fiber speeds wirelessly to Northern Virginia

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Nice, Like the Foundry BackboneAre you running Netiron's or FastIron's?

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of David Hughes
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 3:33 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Roadstar brings fiber speeds wirelessly to Northern
Virginia


604 South King Street, Suite 200
 Leesburg, VA  20175 
703.554.6621 (FAX) 571.258.0003
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
_
ROADSTAR’S NEW INET LOUDOUN WIRELESS BROADBAND SERVICE ‘A ROCKET SHIP’
ULTRA-HIGH SPEED CONNECTIONS NOW AVAILABLE FOR LOUDOUN BUSINESSES!
LEESBURG, VA (October 8, 2007) – Marty Dougherty, CEO of Roadstar Internet,
the area’s largest Independently-owned Wireless Broadband Internet provider,
announced today the company has successfully completed field trials of its
new INET Loudoun™ service. He said that Roadstar began full-scale deployment
of the wireless-fiber network recently and customers may now sign up for
service in its OnNet™ designated buildings.
Dougherty said Roadstar plans to connect hundreds of buildings to the INET
Loudoun network within the next 18-24 months. 

John Wood, CEO of Loudoun County based Telos Corporation, one of the first
INET Loudoun trial sites, said, “Rather than calling it ‘INet Loudoun,’ I
think a better name … is ‘Rocket ship Loudoun.’”
INET Loudoun service shatters all previous boundaries businesses faced
obtaining “real” broadband connections. The new service offers ultra
high-speed symmetrical connections for commercial, institutional and
government use, Dougherty said. Roadstar's INET Loudoun offers "fiber like"
connection speeds to these users hard-pressed to find any type of high
capacity broadband connection options – much less at a reasonable price.
Dougherty predicts that’s INET Loudoun service will radically change the
playing field once dominated by wire-based providers. With today’s
announcement, Roadstar is offering INET Loudoun services that rival direct
fiber links at T1 pricing levels.
At the core of the INET Loudoun service offering is the latest in broadband
wireless technology. Using GigE 80 Ghz licensed millimeter wave RF
technology from Bridgewave Communications, Roadstar is now able to build
multiple gigabit backbone network pipes–“wireless fiber”–which provide
fiber-like connectivity speeds, but with the inherent cost and flexibility
only available from wireless.
Deploying wireless fiber means Roadstar’s INET Loudoun network will be build
out in a fraction of the time it would take to construct a similar
terrestrial-based fiber network. No digging or endless waits for permits and
construction; in many cases customers can go from conception to online
within days instead of weeks or months.
Roadstar is one of the first ISP's in the nation to deploy GigE millimeter
wave technology licensed by the Federal Communications Commission into the
core of its network. Because of this, Loudoun businesses will be among the
first in the nation to enjoy the results- high capacity connections for
their business at reasonable prices.
Since the company’s beginnings in 2003, Roadstar Internet’s engineering
staff has constantly researched and tested new equipment to determine the
best use of available licensed and unlicensed equipment and spectrum to
deliver dependable high capacity broadband to its customers. 
Roadstar also unveiled a new Web site at www.roadstarinternet.com and
Dougherty said complete pricing information for all services could be found
there.
Additional information about Roadstar or the INET Loudoun Network is
available at the company Web site at www.roadstarinternet.com or contact
David Hughes, Director of Communications, at 703-234-9969
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Limited tours may be available of the new facilities.


Roadstar Internet/INET Loudoun Fact Sheet
What is different about Roadstar’s INET and all the other wireless services
we hear about?
•   Today, several wireless providers such as Roadstar Internet can
provide users with T1-level service. There are more services coming, and the
soon to be auctioned 700 MHz airwaves may bring additional providers for
residential users. 
•   INET Loudoun service is radically different because it focuses on
the needs of heavy users and businesses needing very dependable, high
quality high capacity broadband connections. Company CEO Marty Dougherty
said that by utilizing this technology, Roadstar can  provide a T1 like
service for significantly less expense then a standard wired T1 (1.5Meg)
from an alternative provider. “What we are really excited about is being
able to offer you a 10-50 meg connection over the same network,” he said.
•   These lower costs mean the difference for a business considering
whether to stay in or relocate into Loudoun County. For many h

RE: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax?

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

I think it was 300Mil, not 5.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 6:00 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax?

All,

Bear in mind, Clearwire uses their own base station technology,
which is mostly Nextnet base stations ( now motorola ) . Nextnet's
performance is not wimax, just really high power base stations and CPE.

4 QAM / 2 WATT output power / 8dbi directional antenna on the CPE
and I think around 10 watts on the base in power?

( originally was nextnet, then mccaw bought them for 50 million, then
sold it to Motorola in exchange for 500 million in investment )

-
Jeff






On Oct 4, 2007, at 11:04 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 2.5 has great range & penetration.  ClearWire, as an example, had  
> solid
> indoor coverage 2 miles away.  I live in an apartment complex thats  
> "out of
> coverage area", and it still works - I'm in the bottom floor of an
> apartment complex, my unit has another unit behind it, a 4 acre forest
> conservation area, I stick it in my window, get 2/5 bars on it, and  
> still
> get 1Mbps...
>
> Outdoor, could be many more miles, but the ClearWire indoor-only
> self-install business model seems superior to all other WISP  
> models, unless
> you're selling a super-premium business service (fiber/T1  
> replacement).
>
> We basically sell Clearwire for all residential, and use our own  
> wireless
> network for premium business customers only (149/month minimum).
>
> On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:56:43 -0400, John Valenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> Just curious if anyone has seen a coverage map that compares WiFi and
>> WiMax?
>>
>> I spent a little bit of time researching WiMax, but decided I would
>> be unlikely to have a license and to just go with what I have that
>> mostly works (unlicensed). But I would like to know what WiMax means
>> in a rural, tree filled environment.
>>
>> As a novice WISP (about 18 months now), I can only hope for good
>> coverage with 2.4GHz to maybe a mile. A rare house might have LOS
>> farther than that, but generally there will be enough trees in the
>> way by a mile to block my signal.  (this is using farm grain legs/
>> silos for the AP, so maybe 150' max AGL)   If I switch to 900MHz,
>> maybe the distance gets out to 2.5 miles.
>>
>> Would a 2.5GHz Wimax AP push the signal much better thru trees?  I
>> suppose it would make a difference what was at the customer end - a
>> laptop with a WiMax card vs a fixed, outdoor radio.  And does AP
>> height help a lot?  I don't see an advantage to paying commercial
>> tower rates to get above 200' in my situation, but maybe that changes
>> with WiMax.
>>
> -- 
> --
>>
>> ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th  
>> 2007 at
>> ISPCON **
>> ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA
>> www.ispcon.com **
>> ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT **
>> ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 **
>> ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at
>> http://www.ispcon.com/register.php **
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RE: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax?

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

NextNet is 2Watts standard, 5Watts with filters.

Very noisy system too.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 6:00 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax?

All,

Bear in mind, Clearwire uses their own base station technology,
which is mostly Nextnet base stations ( now motorola ) . Nextnet's
performance is not wimax, just really high power base stations and CPE.

4 QAM / 2 WATT output power / 8dbi directional antenna on the CPE
and I think around 10 watts on the base in power?

( originally was nextnet, then mccaw bought them for 50 million, then
sold it to Motorola in exchange for 500 million in investment )

-
Jeff






On Oct 4, 2007, at 11:04 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 2.5 has great range & penetration.  ClearWire, as an example, had  
> solid
> indoor coverage 2 miles away.  I live in an apartment complex thats  
> "out of
> coverage area", and it still works - I'm in the bottom floor of an
> apartment complex, my unit has another unit behind it, a 4 acre forest
> conservation area, I stick it in my window, get 2/5 bars on it, and  
> still
> get 1Mbps...
>
> Outdoor, could be many more miles, but the ClearWire indoor-only
> self-install business model seems superior to all other WISP  
> models, unless
> you're selling a super-premium business service (fiber/T1  
> replacement).
>
> We basically sell Clearwire for all residential, and use our own  
> wireless
> network for premium business customers only (149/month minimum).
>
> On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:56:43 -0400, John Valenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> Just curious if anyone has seen a coverage map that compares WiFi and
>> WiMax?
>>
>> I spent a little bit of time researching WiMax, but decided I would
>> be unlikely to have a license and to just go with what I have that
>> mostly works (unlicensed). But I would like to know what WiMax means
>> in a rural, tree filled environment.
>>
>> As a novice WISP (about 18 months now), I can only hope for good
>> coverage with 2.4GHz to maybe a mile. A rare house might have LOS
>> farther than that, but generally there will be enough trees in the
>> way by a mile to block my signal.  (this is using farm grain legs/
>> silos for the AP, so maybe 150' max AGL)   If I switch to 900MHz,
>> maybe the distance gets out to 2.5 miles.
>>
>> Would a 2.5GHz Wimax AP push the signal much better thru trees?  I
>> suppose it would make a difference what was at the customer end - a
>> laptop with a WiMax card vs a fixed, outdoor radio.  And does AP
>> height help a lot?  I don't see an advantage to paying commercial
>> tower rates to get above 200' in my situation, but maybe that changes
>> with WiMax.
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RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

I think he was talking 5.3

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-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:26 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?

A Fcc certification search gives no results for Tranzeo in 5.4 

Gino A. Villarini
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tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ryan Langseth
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?

We have a tranzeo PTP link directly south of an Air Force base (the  
link runs east-west),  the East endpoint is right south of the base,  
less than 3 miles.  We put it in the 5.8 range because it dropped  
once.  Here is the DFS info we have:

Channel RADAR EventsTime Since Last Event   Current Status
124 1   > 30 days
Available
116 1   > 30 days
Available
120 16  7.20 days
Available

Another device on that tower, facing east, shows no DFS events.

ryan

On Oct 2, 2007, at 7:01 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

> No but I'll tell you that the wireline providers are using the DFS2  
> issue as a major negative against us. I'm getting asked about it,  
> alot from prospects.
> It would be nice to learn very few are effected by it, for building  
> possitive public perception.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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> - Original Message - From: "Patrick Leary"  
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> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:26 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?
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>
> Hi folks,
>
> So how many of you using it have experienced the DFS2 kicking in? I am
> curious because we are not getting many reports where radars are  
> forcing
> the radios to vacate and move to another channel.
>
> We are getting asked this a lot of late since we released our 5.4 PMP,
> but so far we don't see the radars much. IF you have a story, please
> indicate if you are rural, rural coastal, etc.
>
> Also how about 5.3 GHz. DFS2 is now mandatory there but I don't  
> think we
> have any case where those found a radar.
>
> Thanks,
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RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Ryan,

Is that the same Link Jim had problems with every once in while after dark?
We figured they must have been testing the new top secret aircraft..

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ryan Langseth
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:09 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?

We have a tranzeo PTP link directly south of an Air Force base (the  
link runs east-west),  the East endpoint is right south of the base,  
less than 3 miles.  We put it in the 5.8 range because it dropped  
once.  Here is the DFS info we have:

Channel RADAR EventsTime Since Last Event   Current Status
124 1   > 30 days
Available
116 1   > 30 days
Available
120 16  7.20 days
Available

Another device on that tower, facing east, shows no DFS events.

ryan

On Oct 2, 2007, at 7:01 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

> No but I'll tell you that the wireline providers are using the DFS2  
> issue as a major negative against us. I'm getting asked about it,  
> alot from prospects.
> It would be nice to learn very few are effected by it, for building  
> possitive public perception.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Patrick Leary"  
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> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:26 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?
>
>
> Hi folks,
>
> So how many of you using it have experienced the DFS2 kicking in? I am
> curious because we are not getting many reports where radars are  
> forcing
> the radios to vacate and move to another channel.
>
> We are getting asked this a lot of late since we released our 5.4 PMP,
> but so far we don't see the radars much. IF you have a story, please
> indicate if you are rural, rural coastal, etc.
>
> Also how about 5.3 GHz. DFS2 is now mandatory there but I don't  
> think we
> have any case where those found a radar.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Patrick Leary
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RE: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Mr. Booher,

Why in the Heck would someone pay WiMAX BST pricing if someone didn't want
WiMAX? I realize that WiMAX QOS is great, but with the proper equipment QOS
can be achieved.

How many providers have you talked to less than 10, 20, 50? I can see a
certain small number looking at it that way, but definitely not the masses.
I would sure think that those providers would be better off putting the cash
up to get Alvarion to make a 3.5Ghz VL product and have the software built
to provide the desired QOS if it isn't good enough already. I would bet you
could do that for the price of less than two or three 3 sector 4th order
diversity WiMAX BST's.

I think there are quite a few Operators who COULD have access to 2.5Ghz, but
most don't have the Cash, or the timing has passed to get it. The 2.5Ghz
profile is important because that is where Sprint and Clearwire are playing,
so if you want the chance for a roaming agreement, or a buy out that's where
you need to be. XHOM may be the big player, but I'll build a Carrier grade
WiMAX Network, set it up for roaming, sell to my own subs, take a roaming
agreement if I can get one (Which both Sprint and Clearwire KNOW They can't
do this alone, too much ground to cover and too much money) and even if I
don't I'll set up a daily rate and let their subs use my network.

You say Airspan is shipping, but the questions are these:
a. is it certified
b. what spectrum can we really use it in, unlicensed if full of noise (Which
WiMAX Hates), they ARE NOT SHIPPING 2.5GHZ (I talked the regional rep, he
said maybe next year), 3650 is no where near ready for real deployment
(Experimental Licenses don't count. No licensing system set up, no
Certification standard, etc.)
c. Who other than cell providers has 1.4Ghz?
d. 2.3Ghz is just as small of provider market as 2.5Ghz.
e. above 3700Mhz is mostly LOS, the power isn't there for indoor installs in
the 5Ghz UNII/ISM Bands.

Your best bet is to stop arguing, 802.16E is the future. Weather we all like
it or not. Fixed Unlicensed will still have it's place, but why would I go
with that when I can buy a Laptop with a built in WiMAX Chip and use my
internet anywhere. Now if I am out of the WiMAX Are then Fixed Wireless from
a WISP makes sense, but oh wait there are outdoor CPE, put a 24dbi grid on
one of those puppies and see what you can punch through, then maybe I pay an
extra $5 per month to have both my Laptop and the home CPE on the
networkSee there are so many options. 

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the WISP of today, heck I work for one, owned
one, and think they are doing great things the World not to mention their
local areas. Technology chances, times change, and the future is inevitable.


Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum

Patrick,

I disagree, as most of the network operators, internationally
that I have spoken with have stated that they currently have "no  
interest" in 802.16
and are just looking for standards  based solutions that utilize  
802.16a-2004 chipsets.
They just want QOS capable, scalable, FIXED BROADBAND WIRELESS ACCESS.

In the US there are very LIMITED # of providers than have access to  
licensed
2 ghz bands, so i don't understand clearly why the 2ghz profile would  
matter
as much, since you literally have 2 players in that space, now  
actually one, xohm.

not misleading fluff, Airspan for example is shipping TODAY 802.16-2004
compliant ( not wimax compliant, not that it matters considering  
there is
no wimax interop for QOS, so really who cares anyways ) solutions in
  1.4, 2.3, 2.5, 3.3-37, 5.4, 4.9, and 5.8ghz bands.

-

Jeff

On Sep 28, 2007, at 3:59 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> That would be stretching to the extreme since the simple point of fact
> is that there is no WiMAX Forum profile for the AWS bands. No profile
> means no ecosystem. No ecosystem means no chips and no devices in  
> scale
> or interoperability between suppliers.
>
> Folks, right now there is only one profile in WiMAX that matters and
> these are the ones based on 802.16e-2005 in 2.3, 2.5 and 3.5 GHz  
> ranges.
> Those are the only bands for which the ecosystem is revolving and
> evolving right now. Other may be added at some point, but right now
> anything else is misleading fluff.
>
> Patrick Leary
> AVP, Market Development
> Alvarion, Inc.
> o: 650.314.2628
> c: 760.580.0080
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 2:17 PM
> To: WISPA Genera

RE: [WISPA] Bandwidth, Best place.

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

We are looking at these locations for the second carrier:
720 Hawthorn  St.
Alexandria, MN 56308

Or

26 6th Ave N
St. Cloud, MN 56303

Currently we bring it to the ILEC CO in Melrose, MN 56352.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Clint Ricker
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:52 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth, Best place.

Where's the CO located?

On 10/1/07, Mike Bushard, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Flex OC-3 Direct to the CO.
>
> Mike Bushard, Jr
> Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
> 320-256-WISP (9477)
> 320-256-9478 Fax
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Clint Ricker
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:41 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth, Best place.
>
> How many megs and where are you currently picking it up / getting it
> delivered?
>
> -Clint Ricker
> Kentnis Technologies
>
> On 10/1/07, Mike Bushard, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I figured I would start a new thread for this.
> >
> > My question is with this type of thing happening, what would be the best
> way
> > to obtain bandwidth? Get multiple tier 1's, or a mix of tier 1's and
tier
> > 2's, or multiple tier 2's?
> >
> > Who would be the best ones to go with? How many carriers do you really
> need?
> >
> > Currently we have one tier 2 provider, Onvoy, who has bandwidth from
> > multiple tier 1's and 2's. But we have been thinking of adding another
> > provider.
> >
> > Mike Bushard, Jr
> > Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
> > 320-256-WISP (9477)
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> > -Original Message-
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> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix
> >
> > Mike Hammett wrote:
> > > The Level3 depeer was caused by Level3, not Cogent.  It has the same
> > > effect, but a different cause.
> > >
> > Whoever caused it; Cogent is the one that made it painful for the entire
> > internet. They could have rerouted traffic instead of blackholing all of
> > Level3. The fact that they offered free transit to Level3 customers only
> > shows their intent to send a message to Level3 et al.
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> > -Matt
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RE: [WISPA] Bandwidth, Best place.

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Flex OC-3 Direct to the CO.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Clint Ricker
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth, Best place.

How many megs and where are you currently picking it up / getting it
delivered?

-Clint Ricker
Kentnis Technologies

On 10/1/07, Mike Bushard, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I figured I would start a new thread for this.
>
> My question is with this type of thing happening, what would be the best
way
> to obtain bandwidth? Get multiple tier 1's, or a mix of tier 1's and tier
> 2's, or multiple tier 2's?
>
> Who would be the best ones to go with? How many carriers do you really
need?
>
> Currently we have one tier 2 provider, Onvoy, who has bandwidth from
> multiple tier 1's and 2's. But we have been thinking of adding another
> provider.
>
> Mike Bushard, Jr
> Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
> 320-256-WISP (9477)
> 320-256-9478 Fax
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Matt Liotta
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:28 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
> > The Level3 depeer was caused by Level3, not Cogent.  It has the same
> > effect, but a different cause.
> >
> Whoever caused it; Cogent is the one that made it painful for the entire
> internet. They could have rerouted traffic instead of blackholing all of
> Level3. The fact that they offered free transit to Level3 customers only
> shows their intent to send a message to Level3 et al.
>
> -Matt
>
> -Matt
>

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[WISPA] Bandwidth, Best place.

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

I figured I would start a new thread for this.

My question is with this type of thing happening, what would be the best way
to obtain bandwidth? Get multiple tier 1's, or a mix of tier 1's and tier
2's, or multiple tier 2's? 

Who would be the best ones to go with? How many carriers do you really need?

Currently we have one tier 2 provider, Onvoy, who has bandwidth from
multiple tier 1's and 2's. But we have been thinking of adding another
provider.

Mike Bushard, Jr
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix

Mike Hammett wrote:
> The Level3 depeer was caused by Level3, not Cogent.  It has the same 
> effect, but a different cause.
> 
Whoever caused it; Cogent is the one that made it painful for the entire 
internet. They could have rerouted traffic instead of blackholing all of 
Level3. The fact that they offered free transit to Level3 customers only 
shows their intent to send a message to Level3 et al.

-Matt

-Matt



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RE: [WISPA] Netflix

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

I was just curious why cogent is depeering other carriers. Wasn't there
something with Level3 awhile ago, now these two and I've hear some rumors of
other too. 

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 1:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix

Mike Bushard, Jr wrote:
> What's the deal with cogent de-peering lately?
> 
Not sure what you are looking for outside of the depeers I already 
mentioned.

-Matt



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RE: [WISPA] Netflix

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

What's the deal with cogent de-peering lately?

Mike Bushard, Jr
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix

> Anyone else having a problem viewing the images at netflix.com?
>
> All the images are coming up broken links
>
The images on netflix.com are hosted by a CDN, which is why your
connectivity to netflix.com itself has nothing to do with the images. By
chance does your company or one of your upstreams use Cogent? If so, you
may want to be aware that Cogent depeered Limelight and WV Fiber recently
both of which are heavy content distributors.

We are peered with both Limelight and WV Fiber. We pull a lot of traffic
from them, so the move by Cogent caused some serious distribution. It also
makes the experience of Cogent customers that much worse.

-Matt




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RE: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

I sure hope notThe price of a BST would double...

Mike Bushard, Jr
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 6:09 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum

Hot industries generate tons of rumors, so this is just some degree of
validation of just how hot this sector has become. And those companies
that perform well become part of rumors. We have been doing very well
and it has reflected in our stock more than doubling this year. Ergo, it
is natural that our name becomes part of the rumor mill.

Patrick Leary
AVP, Market Development
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dylan Oliver
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 4:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum

Hey Patrick,

any comment on the rumors that Cisco is looking to acquire Alvarion,
Redline, or one of the other players for WiMAX?

http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp?doc_id=134954

Best,
-- 
Dylan Oliver
Primaverity, LLC



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[WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segment inIdaho abouta new localWiMAX service

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

OK, I can see the College point. But it's not WiMAX, it must be their
backend. Sorry, I didn't realize they were competition. 

 

I am will to bet that if someone has built a system in 2.5Ghz they will have
a shot at a roaming agreement. Sprint and Clearwire both know they can't do
this alone, or even together. Some are choosing to run it in 2.5Ghz and
others are opting for 2.3. Sprint/Clearwire will run 2.5, the death star
will run 2.3. Currently from my understanding the Laptop chips will be in
2.5Ghz, currently no profile exists for 2.3. So the 2.3 rollouts are
actually 2.5 WiMAX systems running 2.3Ghz chips. Patrick may have a better
insight here.

 

I guess my main point is don't downplay WiMAX in general, you can have the
best radios, but if the providers backend sucks you can't see the radios
shine.

 

Disclaimer:

I know very little about DigitalBridge, their network, or anything related.
I just know that WiMAX works better than that when properly set up with a
proper backend.

 

Mike Bushard, Jr

320-256-WISP (9477)

320-256-9478 Fax



 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:54 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segment inIdaho abouta new
localWiMAX service

 

Why would I call and say anything to them? They are my competition, and they
are doing a GREAT job... ;)

Just heard from one of my installers tonight about a customer he went to
last week who tried it and said it was "terribly slow"... so it wasn't just
by chance that they didn't setup my modem correctly.

My guess would be (from 8+ years of experience with this town) that college
students are using whatever bandwidth is available at any given second. When
we provided service to 15 college apartment complexes many years ago, it was
a joke. Some students would queue up 100 songs to be downloaded and then
just let it run all day while they were gone to class. It didn't matter how
much bandwidth you gave a complex, they would use 100% of it. 

You are also forgetting that although WiMax may be available in 100 cities
around the country, unless you have service in every one of those coverage
areas, you will get to pay again. Compared with Sprint or AT&T, in which I
can pay $60/month and have coverage everywhere at the same speed... (and
like Brad mentioned, be moving down the freeway at the same time). 

Also, is there a set frequency that WiMax uses? In my area, they are using
2.3ghz. Is that the same all over the country? Is that the frequency that
Intel will build into their chips?

Travis
Microserv

Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: 

I will have to disagree. Today the coverage may be poor, but give it some
time. Heck DSL coverage still stinks and that's been around for years. With
the Sprint Clearwire commitment and Intel backing thisIE building chips
to integrate into laptops...you will see a big movement, probably similar to
the Cellular boom. The spectrum is ready, the equipment is ready and getting
even better. EVDO, GPRS, etc can't touch the speeds WiMAX is capable of. 
 
I would call DigitalBridge and ask them what the deal is. Maybe something
wasn't provisioned right (if you know even a little about WiMAX you should
now there is nothing simple about it.). I know of providers pulling over
6Mbps each way over BreezeMAX at 4 miles with indoor CPE. And that's at
50/50 downlink/uplink.
 
I don't know how much more can say due to NDA's. So I better stop here.
 
The point is I bet something wasn't right.
 
Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:39 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: video of news segment in Idaho abouta new
localWiMAX service
 
Hello Travis,
 
Well now, this really doesn't come as any surprise, does it?  
 
I can easily get those speeds driving along nearly any interstate in the
country at 80MPH with my Sprint Data Card.
 
Again, the cellular providers will dominate the mobile user market if only
simply because they have the coverage.  Why would someone signup for
BridgeMAXX (with a fraction of a fraction coverage area) for equal or in
this case quite a bit slower access as compared to any of today's cellular
provider data networks?
 
Reminds me of the Sprint commercial where they are comparing coverage areas:
 
Client  Sprint  BridgeMAXX
 
Denver? Yes.   Nope.
Nashville? Yes.   Nope.
Boston? Yes.   Nope.  Wait, what was that again?  Boston?  Oh,
nope.
Vegas?  Yes.   YES!, err I mean nope, but we have limited coverage
in Rexburg!  lol
 
 
Best,
 
 
Brad
 
 
 
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Jo

[WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segment in Idaho abouta new localWiMAX service

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

I will have to disagree. Today the coverage may be poor, but give it some
time. Heck DSL coverage still stinks and that's been around for years. With
the Sprint Clearwire commitment and Intel backing thisIE building chips
to integrate into laptops...you will see a big movement, probably similar to
the Cellular boom. The spectrum is ready, the equipment is ready and getting
even better. EVDO, GPRS, etc can't touch the speeds WiMAX is capable of. 

I would call DigitalBridge and ask them what the deal is. Maybe something
wasn't provisioned right (if you know even a little about WiMAX you should
now there is nothing simple about it.). I know of providers pulling over
6Mbps each way over BreezeMAX at 4 miles with indoor CPE. And that's at
50/50 downlink/uplink.

I don't know how much more can say due to NDA's. So I better stop here.

The point is I bet something wasn't right.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:39 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: video of news segment in Idaho abouta new
localWiMAX service

Hello Travis,

Well now, this really doesn't come as any surprise, does it?  

I can easily get those speeds driving along nearly any interstate in the
country at 80MPH with my Sprint Data Card.

Again, the cellular providers will dominate the mobile user market if only
simply because they have the coverage.  Why would someone signup for
BridgeMAXX (with a fraction of a fraction coverage area) for equal or in
this case quite a bit slower access as compared to any of today's cellular
provider data networks?

Reminds me of the Sprint commercial where they are comparing coverage areas:
 
Client  Sprint  BridgeMAXX

Denver? Yes.Nope.
Nashville?  Yes.Nope.
Boston? Yes.Nope.  Wait, what was that again?  Boston?  Oh,
nope.
Vegas?  Yes.YES!, err I mean nope, but we have limited coverage
in Rexburg!  lol


Best,


Brad




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:36 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: video of news segment in Idaho about a new
localWiMAX service

Brad,

I received our modem from BridgeMAXX and tested on Thursday last week. 
We were located about 1 mile from their tower in Rexburg, Idaho. We had 
full signal (all lights on top of the modem) while indoor.

We ran several speed tests to Salt Lake City and Seattle. We purchased 
their "up to 2meg" service and the speed tests (using Speedtest.net, 
which has been very accurate on our test cable connection and test DSL 
connection) showed an average of 300kbps download and 450kbps upload. 
This was during the middle of the day (when most people are probably not 
using the service).

Loading web pages was almost painful however... espn.com took almost 15 
seconds to completely load. :(

Travis
Microserv

Brad Belton wrote:
> Kinda funny.the video says it delivered "perfect service" in the park
while
> only pulling up about a third of the www.localnews8.com website over
several
> seconds.  Now compare that video to pulling up www.localnews8.com
yourself.
> It leaves quite a bit to be desired when comparing "broadband" services.  
>
>  
>
> My Sprint Data card pulls up the website faster and works ANYWHERE I have
> Sprint service in the USA.  Why would I choose a mobile broadband service
> that only works in a couple cities?
>
>  
>
> Just another hyped story relating to a service that will over commit and
> underperform resulting in yet another black-eye for the wireless data
> industry.  This reminds me of the Ricochet service I subscribed to years
ago
> before they went belly up.  Worked fair to ok in some areas, but was
quickly
> overshadowed by the cellular industry guys who really know how to make
> mobile Internet work.
>
>  
>
> Have to admit though it was a great plug for Alvarion!
>
>  
>
> Best,
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Brad
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 4:06 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: video of news segment in Idaho about a new
> localWiMAX service
>
>  
>
> Patrick,
>
> DBC purchased an existing company (Teton Wireless) that was using their
> 2.5ghz license for Television and internet service. They started 10 years
> ago with just TV and added internet about 3-4 years ago. So, technically
> they are not a "start-up" as they purchased an existing business and
> license.
>

RE: [WISPA] Larger pole mount for Moto/Orthogon backhauls

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

I'd got the Pipe to Pipe Clamp route.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

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Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:21 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Larger pole mount for Moto/Orthogon backhauls

Maybe something like this would work for you.  It's not moved in years 
now...
http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/images/misc/P1010755.JPG

Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
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From: "Patrick Shoemaker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 5:19 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Larger pole mount for Moto/Orthogon backhauls


> List,
>
> I'm trying to mount a Motorola PTP 400 series backhaul (Orthogon Gemini) 
> on a pole that is just ever so slightly too large for the mount that is 
> included in the box.  Is a larger pole mount made for this radio or am I 
> stuck having to get a set of pipe standoffs and mount a smaller pipe to 
> the existing one?
>
> Patrick Shoemaker
>
>


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RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Talk to your local sales rep...

Mike Bushard, Jr
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 8:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

Does anyone have some to send down?


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 8:35 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks


I'll bet they prefer the Motorola Canopy T-shirts!

;-) ... ducking!

Gino A. Villarini
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tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

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Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 9:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

LOL. My girls are 6.5 and 4 now. They don't care much what the shirt
says so long as it has something sparkly on it. :)  And I have plenty of
old BreezeCOM shirts still.


Patrick
-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Allen Marsalis
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 5:26 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

At 06:37 PM 9/10/2007, Patrick Leary wrote:
>Allen, great to see you pop up on the list again. You've been missed.


Thanks Patrick.  I trust all is going well with you.  I hear you are
now vice president.  Great job!  (I mean that both ways. You do a
great job and have a great job)  :)   Our kids are all growing
up!   Your daughter must be what about 7 now.  Am I close?  Mine is 9
and still wears her oversized Mikrotik and Trango
T-shirts!  :ducking:   LOL, She's still waiting for her Breezecom
t-shirt.. ;)

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RE: [WISPA] IPTV

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

I would like to look at the bandwidth per channel your system would use.
Around here there are multiple tv's per household, and very few are ever on
the same channel. That is where I see the issue, even at 1 meg per feed X 3
STB's kills my 900Mhz Canopy AP.

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Clint Ricker
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 9:31 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPTV

Not ready for prime time...?  There's already several hundred thousand
subscribers on IPTV platforms in the US alone, so I'm not sure what
you're waiting for...  what shortcomings are you seeing?

The technology IS being deployed in "prime time" scenarios already
(AT&T, which is not known for being adventuresome with technology is
the biggest, but not the only domestic example; internationally, it is
being deployed much more widely).

The main problem that WISPs face is that you may have to do some
network overhauls to handle that sort of traffic...

When you "resell" DirectTV (unless they have changed their model since
2005, which is the last I looked at their agreements), it is more of a
referral/outsourced installation crew than reselling.  It does let you
offer triple play to a point, but (again, unless it's changed), you
can't do single bill and you can't really generate any reoccuring
revenue (which, as a service provider, is where your real profit tends
to be)

Although you do have increased costs in doing your own in terms of
network buildout and so forth, you also effectively (if done right,
profitably) subsidize the buildout of a better network

It probably is not quite viable for ultra-rural WISPs because of
really low densities and so forth.  In areas with higher densities
(definitely MDU), it is viable and deployable

-Clint Ricker
Kentnis Technologies





On 9/10/07, Brad Belton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Agreed, but IMO just not quite ready for prime time . yet.  
>
> Best,
>
> Brad
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 8:23 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPTV
>
> IPTV is also the breaking of the traditional TV mold.  You can offer
> thousands of channels from all kinds of different sources.  It doesn't
even
> have to be in the traditional channel format.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 8:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPTV
>
>
> > Brad Belton wrote:
> >> We have (off and on) been looking for the same solution, however we
came
> >> to
> >> a conclusion years ago.  Why not just re-sell Direct TV or Dish?
> >>
> > For a full channel line-up or in residential settings I would agree with
> > you. However, in a MTU the ability to provide channels ala carte to
> > multiple customers using IP provides different economics.
> >
> > -Matt
> >
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RE: [WISPA] DIY Server Questions

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

We buy SuperMicro systems. They just seem to work. www.8anet.com
www.serversdirect.com www.aberdeeninc.com

We are looking at moving to a Sun or IBM Blade solution also. The biggest
advantage we see is the support, both companies have a full line of parts in
stock about 2hrs away. When uptime is your business, it can make sense to
pay for things like 24x7x365 4hr or less response time. If we were closer to
the parts depot I would even go to 2hr response. This is just something you
do not get when you buy parts from newegg.com. I cannot say enough for a
redundant system either, hot standbys with automatic failover is critical.

Like I said, uptime is your business, right? 

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
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Behalf Of Ryan Langseth
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] DIY Server Questions

I agree get a server motherboard, both tyan and supermicro make good  
server level boards (I prefer supermicro)  they come with options for  
ipmi management and other excellent features.

Ryan

On Aug 29, 2007, at 9:07 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

> A Tyan or SuperMicro would make a better motherboard.
>
> --Mike
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Dave Brenton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 4:35 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] DIY Server Questions
>
>
>> Hi Gang!
>>
>> I'm finally, at long last building my Network Operations Center
>> and would love to hear recommendations from the brave
>> souls out there that build their own hardware.
>>
>> I'm looking for recommendations for motherboards,
>> rack-mount case vendors, Rack vendors, etc.
>>
>> I must admit I have a bias against Intel-based systems,
>> but would defer to experience supporting an Intel platform.
>> I will in every instance be running on flavor or another of Linux
>> for all my OS needs, should that have a bearing on the response.
>>
>> My previous experience favors ASUS motherboards, and
>> good name-brand memory devices. I have lost faith in most
>> of the Disc Drive makers, however Shugart's 5 year warranty
>> is tempting me in their direction.
>>
>> Any thoughts, comments, etc are welcomed.
>>
>> If appropriate, you may contact me of list.
>>
>> Dave Brenton
>> General Manager
>> Rural Tennessee Wireless Broadband, LLC
>> 3430 Highway 49
>> Dover TN  37058
>>
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RE: [SPAM] RE: [WISPA] Water Tower Mounts

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

http://www.metal-cable.com/

Look at the "MagneMount". No idea what is costs, but it should work for you.

Mike Bushard, Jr
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Behalf Of Mark McElvy
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:30 PM
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Subject: [SPAM] RE: [WISPA] Water Tower Mounts
Importance: Low

I would not recommend welding on the tank portion of the water tower. It
is my understanding they are coated and will be damaged by the heat. I
have equipment on two different water towers and that was the info given
on both. Fortunately I had other mounting solutions.

There was a discussion a while back about this and a magnetic mount was
suggested.

Mark McElvy


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Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:37 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Water Tower Mounts

We are going to be mounting Panel Sector antennas to 2 Water Towers. One
tower is ideal with a rail that has been designed for pipe mounting. The
other is not so kind. It simply has a ladder up the side and over the
top,
no catwalk. We were thinking about using one of those 170 lbs. Water
Tower
mounts. This means we either have to get a welder up there to weld the
plates or come up with an industrial epoxy solution. 

 

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RE: [WISPA] 3.65 radio wish list

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Aperto has had 3650 equipment available for testing since 05, nothing new
here

Mike Bushard, Jr
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 10:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 radio wish list

Gino Villarini wrote:
> Matt,
>
> What gear have you tested
>
>   
We were asked not to share any vendor information as part of our 
testing. However, one could always read the last update to our 
experimental license and see it was for use with Aperto equipment.

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RE: [WISPA] IPv6 - anyone using it?

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

I really dread IPv6.so much more complicated.

I probably would run it, but from my understanding there is a ton of
equipment on the internet backbone that won't route it. Not to mention how
many SOHO routers and PC's are ready for it? Will your CPE support it?

And the list goes on, I foresee a mad rush for upgrades and implementation
the day v4 space is gone, and not a second before.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ryan Langseth
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:09 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] IPv6 - anyone using it?

With the recent announcement by ARIN to start pushing IPv6 uptake,  
and the run out date of v4 is as soon as 2010, I was wondering is  
anyone are here using v6 in some form or planning the switchover?

Since it is much more than renumbering customers, the needed time for  
deploying it will be much longer, is your infrastructure ready for it?

http://www.arin.net/announcements/20070521.html
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070521-arin-its-time-to- 
migrate-to-ipv6.html

Have a great evening,

Ryan
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RE: [WISPA] Cabling - RF Industries

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

We use their connectors, but use all Times for LMR. Our Pre-made Jumper come
form PCS Tech. They sweep them to the freq we specify. Never had a issue
yet, well that was caused by faulty materials anyway.

Mike Bushard, Jr
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Subject: [WISPA] Cabling - RF Industries

We are currently working on improving our inventory and infrastructure.
Currently we make a lot of our own cables, except for things like
pigtails, but we are looking at switching to premade cables for radio to
antenna jumpers and such.  What do you think of cables and connectors
from RF Industries?  Has anyone had problems with them? How about good
experiences?

Thanks,

Ryan

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RE: [WISPA] 5.4 Ghz

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Greg used to be with DragonWave.

I think that they a have a quality product. The fact that you can change the
channel size is very nice. I really like my Orthogon radios, but definitely
will look at exalt on my next 5.xGhz backhaul.

Mike Bushard, Jr
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dylan Oliver
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 5:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 Ghz

Brett Bonomo and Greg VanDell of Exalt provided amazing pre-sales support
when I inquired about their 4.9 GHz gear for an RFP a few weeks ago. Exalt
takes the cake in 4.9 GHz because of high guaranteed throughput (up to 55
Mbps goodput with 20 MHz channel) and sync, which would allow many more than
two links to be deployed from a central location. They can also do
sub-millisecond latency (or up to 5 ms for maximum throughput) and have
adjustable channel sizes - down to 5 MHz, I believe, with 1 MHz spacing - to
help one fit into cluttered spectrum. All of these things apply to the
5.xtri-band product, except that it can do 13 Mbps (in 8 MHz) to 216
Mbps (in
64 MHz). The integrated tri-band radio/antenna looks like the most flexible
option out there right now for shorter links where any of the three bands
would work.

On 5/7/07, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://www.exaltcom.com/
>
> Anyone else heard of these guys?  I'm guessing since bob is keeping up on
> them, they're worth keeping up on.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 4:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 Ghz
>
>
> Exalt real soon
>
> Bob
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:46:23
> To:"WISPA General List" 
> Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 Ghz
>
> Redline has a certified product released.  Orthogon is about to have
> theirs
> out.  Anyone else?
>
>
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RE: [WISPA] TTP

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

We are using VantagePoint.


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Behalf Of Peter R.
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 5:56 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] TTP

Has anyone spoken with any TTP for CALEA mediation boxes?

After re-reading the Cisco CALEA compliance stuff today, 
(http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2007/04/calea-tpp.html) I'm beginning to 
think that you need a box that can massage the data dump and transport 
it to the LEA.

According to Bearhill's webinar today 
(http://www.bearhill.com/webinars.html), being able to make th etap with 
compliant equipment is one thing, being able to extract the data and 
send it real-time to the LEA is another thing.

I have a client who spoke with Apogee, who is basically re-using an SS8 
box. Cost is about $800 per month. They do all the heavy lifting.

I read a couple reviews of Solera. There box is about $7000.

I don't know what Bearhill's solution costs. It depends on how many 
POP's I guess.

So any input on TTP's ???

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RE: [WISPA] What about equipment providers?

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Where did you see that equipment must be CALEA Compliant? 

We chose Vantage Point for a TTP, and all they were concerned about was the
network layout and how routing was handled. The need to know where to put
taps and probes. 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 6:19 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] What about equipment providers?

If we're to take some of what's been published literally,  all "wisp
equipment" providers are going to be required to be CALEA "compliant".

This is going to lead to some serious compatibility and interoperability
issues, if you ask me.  HOW equipment maker A, B, and C accomplish stuff is
likely going to be different.   Thus, a network with mixed equipment may
turn out to be almost impossible to put together completely.

What about all of us who buy stuff from outside the US?What about the
people who have large networks with now out of production equipment?   Will
"CELEA COMPLIANT" stickers now be required to get into the WISP business?

I don't see anyone addressing this.  Nor do I see anyone addressing
community and free networks.   While WISPA is definitely a WISP association,
we're dead in the water if the WISP equipment providers dry up or go away,
or we become stuck with one or two equipment providers, and all the
"compliant" stuff is 50% more in price...


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RE: [WISPA] Interesting Call Today

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

T-1's take time to provision, wireless is much faster in most cases.

Mike Bushard, Jr
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Interesting Call Today

Why is AT&T ordering wireless links? They can put a T1 anywhere they 
want. I don't get it. I would certainly be suspect of that also.
Scriv


Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

> There's been quite a bit of talk about AT&T wireless links on the p-15 
> list. Looks legit.
>
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> - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Interesting Call Today
>
>
>> Wow... I got a call today from a lady in "Washington, DC" wanting 
>> 70-80 wireless connections "in our area" for a 3 month project. It 
>> was just a voicemail that she left, and I don't plan to call her back...
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> Rick Harnish wrote:
>>
>>> One of our salespeople got a call today from AT&T that I feel I must 
>>> share
>>> and see if others are getting similar calls.
>>>
>>>
>>> The AT&T rep told our saleperson that he was looking for temporary 
>>> (2 day
>>> service) to various locations that do not have access to cable/DSL 
>>> or fiber.
>>> They need these connections for conference call meetings and will 
>>> need our
>>> company to set up a wireless router at the location as well.  He 
>>> needs these
>>> connections done in as short as a 3-4 day window.
>>>
>>> Has anyone else had similar calls?  Not sure if they are just 
>>> fishing for
>>> information or what.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>> Rick Harnish
>>>
>>> President
>>>
>>> OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc.
>>>
>>> 260-827-2482
>>>
>>> Founding Member of WISPA
>>>
>>>
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RE: [WISPA] FCC Denies Request to Use Satellite Earth Station for Terrestrial Service

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

I find this part very interesting:

To provide terrestrial service, TowerStream must file an application for a
terrestrial license through the FCC Wireless Bureau's Universal Licensing
System.

Are they talking about a STA here or can we get useable, for profit
authorizations to use 3650?

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RE: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

I think that 3' is small enough, 11Ghz fades in the rain pretty good, so I
would think that you would only use 3' dish on links less than 5 Miles. Why
now just run High power 18Ghz radios with 2' then? 

Mike Bushard, Jr
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 2:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz

Not familiar with 11 GHz, but what speeds and distances are available 
with 11 GHz and is the license leasable in different areas?


Dylan Oliver wrote:
> The statements by Adelstein (*http://tinyurl.com/2jyhdg) *and McDowell (*
> http://tinyurl.com/2jg3sx) *make it clear that FiberTower's petition is to
> allow 2' dishes. I'm unclear on "minimum dish size", having heard 4' from
> this list, including a post by Charles Wu. But I just found a 2005 press
> release (*http://tinyurl.com/274wmy) *by RFS on the availability of a 3'
> dish meeting the FCC's standards for 10.7-11.7 GHz antennas.
> 
> The only standard I've seen so far - Part 101 Sec. 101.115 "Directional
> antennas" (*http://tinyurl.com/37ummg*) - only specifies maximum beamwidth
> and minimum gain. If Part 101 talks about dish sizes elsewhere, please let
> me know. If Part 101 does not state dish size, then the petition boils
down
> to a relaxation of beamwidth / gain concomitant to the characteristics of
a
> 2' dish.
> 
> Best,

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RE: [WISPA] Towerstream Miami

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Isn't the Miami stuff VL??? I thought I heard that anyway.

Mike Bushard, Jr
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Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 10:41 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Towerstream Miami

Aperto and Alvarion.

Patrick

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Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 8:35 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Towerstream Miami

George Rogato wrote:
> What frequency is their wimax?
5.8Ghz Aperto equipment, so WiMAX may be a strong statement.

-Matt

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RE: [WISPA] Walmart RFID update

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Please let us know what you end up doing to resolve the problem, we have
wal-marts in 2 of our towns and we run 900. I'm sure it is coming....

Mike Bushard, Jr
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Behalf Of Ray & Jean
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:33 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Walmart RFID update

Hello Everyone
Wanted to update you on our walmart rfid problem.We spent hours on monday
trying to talk to someone on their rfid deployment team,we finally made
contact.We were informed that it used the whole spectrum,had to run at full
power and used circular polarity.They stated they were operating within the
legal limits and could not change anything to help with our interference
problem.I ask if they could turn off their equipment for 30 days to give us
a chance to relocate to a new site.They agreed to two weeks which suprised
me.When they turned it off all of our links instantly went back to working
including the one inside their store at the eye doctors office.We start
looking for a new site and equipment to install on it.Well today walmart
calls us and say they want to work with us on the problem and they are
sending a engineer to this store to check for a possible rogue piece of
equipment and possibly trying to place some type of schielding between them
and us IF we will QUIT posting info about this problem on broadband reports
forum.I am amazed that they changed their whole attitude because of a little
bad pr.Maybe we will be able to find a solution to the problem now that they
seem willing to cooperate.Again thanks to everone who offered their advice
on the situation.
Ray Hill
surfmore.net
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RE: [WISPA] TTP Calea

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

www.subsentio.com is who we are working with.
I know verisign is doing it also.

Mike Bushard, Jr
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Subject: [WISPA] TTP Calea

Who does this calea TTP besides Intelleq?  How is Wispa coming on Calea?

Matt
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RE: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I finallyunderstand it

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

I was told they switched to VL.

Mike Bushard, Jr
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Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I
finallyunderstand it

Agreed.  I bought a CPE once and it was a 30 day wait. They clearly didn't 
have funds to do production, and were looking for their clients to fund the 
production.
I didn't know Towersteam dumped Aperto. What did they switch to?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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From: "Mike Bushard, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:37 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I 
finallyunderstand it


> Yup Aperto PacetWave is a good product, But now that TowerStream and
> Freewire no longer uses it, no one seems to sell it, and the Company reps
> wont call you back, it really doesn't matter how good it was. If they 
> won't
> sell you product... well the funds dry up.
>
> I have a sector of VL in the office, with 2 SU's and 10Mhz Channels 
> pulling
> 15-16Mbps down and 13-14Mbps up 4 more Mhz than Aperto and 3-4 more
> Mbps I'll take that.
>
> Mike Bushard, Jr
> Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
> 320-256-WISP (9477)
> 320-256-9478 Fax
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 3:03 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I
> finallyunderstand it
>
>
>> I believe it can now be said without reservation, that if you are using
>> unlicensed and wanting to implement a double play of VoIP + data, the
>> ONLY product out there that can do it in scale and with toll quality is
>> BreezeACCESS VL.
>
>
> Bzzz.. Wrong.
>
> Aperto supports toll quality voice of about 400 calls per sector, on 1/3 
> of
> the channel width that vl requires.
>
> Other than aperto though, I would agree with most of your sentiments.
>
> -
>
> Jeff
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RE: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I finallyunderstand it

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Yup Aperto PacetWave is a good product, But now that TowerStream and
Freewire no longer uses it, no one seems to sell it, and the Company reps
wont call you back, it really doesn't matter how good it was. If they won't
sell you product... well the funds dry up.

I have a sector of VL in the office, with 2 SU's and 10Mhz Channels pulling
15-16Mbps down and 13-14Mbps up 4 more Mhz than Aperto and 3-4 more
Mbps I'll take that.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 3:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I
finallyunderstand it


> I believe it can now be said without reservation, that if you are using
> unlicensed and wanting to implement a double play of VoIP + data, the
> ONLY product out there that can do it in scale and with toll quality is
> BreezeACCESS VL. 


Bzzz.. Wrong.

Aperto supports toll quality voice of about 400 calls per sector, on 1/3 of
the channel width that vl requires.

Other than aperto though, I would agree with most of your sentiments.

-

Jeff


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RE: [WISPA] Canopy actual throughput

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Never tried with a program, but link tests with 67/33 and hardware
scheduling show 3.2Mbps down and 1.2Mbps up. On a mildly (30 Registered CPE)
loaded AP we see 2.7Mbps down and 1.0Mbps up from various speed test sites.
We have a OC-3 running about 60Mbps to the internet.

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Hi,
those of you who use Canopy 900: what is the actual throughput 
you've gotten to the CPE?  4Mbps or less?  Has anyone run a bandwidth 
test while passing traffic simultaneously in both directions (such as 
with Qcheck)?
Thanks a lot.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

If you have adequate SNR to be able to associate at the higher modulation
(2X), then you will get an aggregate of 4 Mb
Regarding up vs down, that depends on how you set your ratios in Canopy
(it's allocated on a percentage basis)

Qcheck is a horrible program for accurately checking bandwidth, I would
recommend you look into something that actually works like Iperf

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RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Brad, Jon, Patrick. I really think all of you are off the path here

As Patrick knows we ARE a scaled canopy operator. I designed this baby from
the ground up, everything from the L3 switches, Battery backup, 3rd party
antennas, conversions, everything.

We are currently over 1,200 Canopy CPE in the field and doing over 100
installs per month.

Does Canopy have it's issues, your DAMN right. But it works, yes it does
require a high level of knowledge to scale a canopy network, but what system
doesn't? anyone can throw together a 50 sub network, but 500 or 5000
separates the men from the boys.

Marlon originally said he was thinking about deploying VL for business
customers. Well guess what. we are too. And I think they are for similar
reasons. The original network I owned was based on InvisiMax Access Points
on Soekris SBC's with Senao wifi cards and CB3's as the CPE radios. Once I
got it working it ran very well, but when I sold out the new owners needed
more so I chose Canopy. Well now we want to deploy a Premium business
service, lets say 3Mbps of data with 6 Voice Lines. I KNOW canopy in its
current state will not do that with any scalability, so I turned to Patrick
and PCS Technologies. I think we all know that VL wont hit a sub 5 miles out
in the MN forest, only 900 or lower can do that, I also don't expect 900 to
push 30Mbps of data. Everything has its trade offs. 

As far as the GPS debate, I DO think GPS is a good thing, it sure can't
hurt. Did Alvarion choose to implement it, no, do I have a problem with it,
no. Canopy has it for channel reuse, and because it needs it, period no more
arguing, please. BA 900 and 2.4 has it because to scale it needs it. After
all the only thing that can kill canopy IS canopy.

I probably should write more, but I have to work early (Towers crews coming
to put up another Dragon Wave). I realize I may not have done anything to
help, hopefully I have not mad an ass of myself, but I am really getting
tired of the Canopy Vs Alvarion Vs Trango bull crap.

Run what you feel is the best, and if you can't live with the fact that
others disagree, keep it to yourself. Marlon is a (I feel) intelligent
enough guy to make his own decisions, he has been doing this a long time, He
is still around, so he must have either got real lucky, figured it out, or
have the brains in the first place.

Maybe some day well all be at a conference and can rent a boxing ring and
work this out but until then, please leave it alone, my delete key with
thank you.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
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Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 9:16 PM
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Not sure how your Alvarion 900 was configured, but our you are aware
that our 900 and 2.4 have both supported GPS sync since day one right
Eight years before Canopy even launched)?

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 5:54 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived

Let's use 900MHz as an example. We deployed Alvarion 900 on multiple 
sites for over a year and it was a less than enjoyable experience. We 
started by transitioning one site from Alvarion 900 to Canopy 900 and 
things started working much better.
I may use licensed operations as an example only because I've had the 
experience of being on both sides of the fence. Also we buy GPS sync 
units as low as $300 new from a 3rd party vendor, as do many canopy 
operators.
As for the excess bandwidth availability in the UL bands, that's 
definately not the case here...

Jon Langeler
Michwave Tech.

Patrick Leary wrote:

>Jon,
>
>When discussing GPS, you continue to offer examples from the licensed
>world, which is about as relevant as trying to do an apples to apples
>comparisons of mobile licensed cellular service plans with UL fixed
>wireless. As I have said before (last week), licensed uses GPS due to
>the necessity of having to re-use a small amount of channel over and
>over again, cell after cell. That's not the case in the UL world,
except
>perhaps for Canopy whose bandwidth availability is so low relative to
>the channel. 
>
>Jon, you, me, the fence post and everyone else knows why Canopy --
alone
>in the entire UL 5GHz world -- requires GPS to scale, it's to keep from
>stepping all over itself. It is not even a debatable point. The
>recommendation is right there in Canopy white papers -- let me
>paraphrase: "Deploying Canopy? What to scale? Buy this $1,500 cluster
>management module for 

RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

I remember that from school


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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 5:23 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5

Easy way to remember the color code is (this is really old days) 

Bell- Blue
Operators-Orange
Give-Green
Bad- Brown
Service- Slate

While- White
Running- Red
Backwards- Black
You- Yellow
Vomit- Violet

If you can remember that you can break down any cable- even the big ones
with thousands of pairs...
Marty



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telecom 25 pair color code

tip
White
Red
Black
Yellow
Violet

ring
Blue
Orange
Green
Brown
Slate

so it would look like this...

w/bl - bl, w/o - o, w/g - g, w/br - br, w/sl - sl
r/bl - bl, r/o - o, r/g - g, r/br - br, r/sl -sl
bk/bl - bl, bk/o - o, bk/g -g, bk/br - br, bk/sl - sl
y/bl - bl, ..etc..etc
v/bl - bl, ..etc..etc

It's been a while since I have seen a 25 pair Cat5 cable, don't know
if the "slate" pair is in there or not, I know it is for 25 pair
telecom feeders, but those are usually Cat3 rated.  If not, then you
simply ignore that pair.

Anyhow, for larger count cables.  Each 25 pair group should be wrapped
with blue, orange, green, brown and slate colored "binder string".
The first 25 pair is blue, the next would be orange, then green, brown
and slate accordingly.

and then there are super groups... which is getting way off Topic. hehe

On 12/18/06, Ron Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yes, I can confirm Scrivs point. I have a 300' cat5 25 Pr and it is
punched down on a 12 port RJ45 Block, standard Cat5e terminal. It has
worked well, thou I am not using today. No good reason, just wanted to
have fewer connectors.
> Ron Wallace
> Hahnron, Inc.
> 220 S. Jackson Dt.
> Addison, MI 49220
>
> Phone: (517)547-8410
> Mobile: (517)605-4542
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> >-Original Message-
> >From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 02:08 AM
> >To: 'WISPA General List'
> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5
> >
> >If you need 100 megabit Cat 5 performance then it is best to
terminate
> >on 110 blocks instead of 66 blocks. That is what I was always told in
> >the past. I have no proof other than what others told me. Can anyone
> >else confirm or deny?
> >Scriv
> >
> >
> >Brad Belton wrote:
> >
> >>Yep, standard 25pr 66 blocks mounted inside NEMA4 enclosures. Works
well.
> >>
> >>I've attached a snapshot.
> >>
> >>Best,
> >>
> >>
> >>Brad
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
> >>Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:29 PM
> >>To: wireless@wispa.org
> >>Subject: RE: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5
> >>
> >>Punch blocks, enclosures? What did you do for that?
> >>
> >>Brian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Yep, works nicely. We've run several hubs with 25pr CAT5 outdoor
cable.
> >>>Gobs and gobs of goo inside...have a few hand rags ready!
> >>>
> >>>I believe the cable brand is Mohawk. Good stuff.
> >>>
> >>>Best,
> >>>
> >>>Brad
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>-Original Message-
> >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> >>>Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
> >>>Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM
> >>>To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization
> >>>Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5
> >>>
> >>>Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr
outdoor
> >>>cat5?
> >>>
> >>>I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future
deployments.
> >>>You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom
> >>>and would only have run jumpers for new radios.
> >>>
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RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

The boss got one toady too.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jory Privett
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 12:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court

I got one also

Jory Privett
WCCS

- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 10:37 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court


It looks as though the confidentiality of Form 477 information is being
challenged in court.  Anyone with further insight that has comments, they
are appreciated.  Our office received this document via email today.



PUBLIC NOTICE

Federal Communications Commission

445 12th St., S.W.

Washington, D.C. 20554

News Media Information 202 / 418-0500

Fax-On-Demand 202 / 418-2830

TTY 202 / 418-2555

Internet: http://www.fcc.gov

ftp fcc gov

DA 06-2534

December 15, 2006

Public Notice To Service Providers Who Filed FCC Form 477s With The
Commission And Sought

Confidential Treatment Of The Information Submitted

This Public Notice notifies all filers who sought confidential treatment of
their Form 477

information that the public release of this information is being sought. The
following litigation is pending

in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia: Center for Public
Integrity v. Federal

Communications Commission, Civil Action No. 06-1644 (RMC). Plaintiff
initiated this action under the

Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), 5 U.S.C. § 552, as amended, seeking
release of all FCC Form 477s

filed with the Commission. The Wireline Competition Bureau previously denied
plaintiff's FOIA request

for these records, pursuant to FOIA exemption 4, because it found that the
requested records contain

commercially sensitive, competitive information and that release would cause
harm to the entities that

submitted the requested information. The plaintiff has filed for de novo
review of its request by the U.S.

District Court. The Commission's brief in this proceeding is due to be filed
with the court on January 8,

2007.

For further information, contact Michael A. Krasnow, Office of General
Counsel, (202) 418-

7924.

- FCC -







Rick Harnish

President

OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc.

260-827-2482

Founding Member of WISPA



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RE: [WISPA] anyone competing with ClearWire in their market?

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Sure is NextNet, Both of us are in the same hut. The DC injectors say
NextNet Wireless and so do the ODU's when I climb past them....

Mike Bushard, Jr
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 9:40 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] anyone competing with ClearWire in their market?

If they are using Nexnet gear... (which I think they are) , is not Wimax ...

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 11:16 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] anyone competing with ClearWire in their market?

I was visiting Seattle, and spoke with one of their reps.  Sounds like
they bought up a bunch of university 2.5 & 2.6 G licenses
inexpensively.  Anyone have feedback on how well their wimax works in
NLOS environments?

Thanks - Marshall
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RE: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

I can vouch for Dragon Wave. We have 2 11Ghz links, rock solid, Latency that
rivals fiber.  


Mike Bushard, Jr
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:44 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

John Scrivner wrote:
> Wow! Business must be good!
>
That depends on your perspective. We have a ton of orders and are racing 
to service them all. The more we install the more capacity upgrades we 
have to do meaning even more installs. This kind of growth is extremely 
challenging because if it isn't done correctly we can destroy the company.
> Look at licensed. I know that is obvious but I think it is the only 
> way short of bonding Orthogons together. I thought the max distance 
> for 70 GHz gbps radios was about 7 miles. It has been a while since I 
> read the specs. I am sure the rain fade would be an issue here. There 
> is actually much less attenuation of 70 GHz than there is at 60 GHz. 
> There is a spike of absorption of 60 GHz where water molecules eat 
> that signal. It gets better above 60 GHz. I believe that you can go 
> through the air better with as high as 100 GHz than what you can with 
> 60 GHz. Obviously there are other licensed options in lower frequency 
> space as well. I know Charles has some experience running licensed 
> high capacity backhaul. Charles, what do you run for backhaul over 100 
> mbps FDX?
>
Licensed doesn't make a lot of sense for us. We simply don't have the 
ability to predict where are growth is coming from. We routinely upgrade 
existing backhauls and/or reconnect our POPs together in different ways 
to increase our capacity and redundancy. With licensed we are forced to 
have a static configuration.
> I thought 24 GHz unlicensed had limited bandspace which made the top 
> end about 100 mbps FDX?
>
DragonWave seems to have a 24Ghz unlicensed product that can do 200Mbps 
full duplex.

-Matt

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RE: [WISPA] Canopy 8.1 firmware

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Be careful, I ran 8.1.4 on one tower for a week with no issues. I then
proceeded to run it on 6 more towers for 2 weeks, no problems. But when I
did the last 8 towers we had our highest number of tech calls since our mail
server crashed. SM Ethernet ports would just lock up (RF interface was still
accessible), customers with no problems started forming thousands of session
per day. Just a real bad deal, mind you it did fix some problems, but it
wasn't worth it so we rolled back to 7.3.6. That was another headache. A
little birdie told me to NOT run 8.1.4 or 8.1.5 and wait for 8.1.6. Take
it as you choose.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:31 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Canopy 8.1 firmware

For those of you running Canopy, we recently upgraded some of radios to 
the latest firmware. We did this because of the continuing Ethernet 
problems we were having with them. I am happy to report the new firm 
does indeed fix the Ethernet negotiation issues mentioned in the release 
notes. We have been happy with the radios we have upgraded thus far and 
we are now planning an upgrade cycle for our entire network.

-Matt
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RE: [WISPA] What the heck chews up 100mhz of 5.8ghz?!?

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Funny you mention that, But you are right. We are located on a tower with a
2.4 WM and a 5ghz WM. We put our stuff up, ran the SA and went holy S***. We
were able to move around them. But I forgot about them when I moved some
channels around, and sure enough about 3 months later I was taking to the
area tech and I asked how everything was working... They never could
figure out why their t-1 radios kept dropping until I asked what channels
they were running.

Canopy gave them some problems, but we never saw anything. So now I have
those channels blocked out..

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:49 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] What the heck chews up 100mhz of 5.8ghz?!?

Not that this is a good practice...but 

Wmux radios are extremely sensative to interference on the Rx size (a wiff
of anything takes it down)
Figure out the Tx/Rx spread (may be 5.3 GHz on that particular site), and
shut them down on the Rx side -- maybe then they'll talk =)

-Charles

P.S. -- if it's a short range shot, they can probably go licensed now for
the same price as unlicensed, and they'd get out of your hair completely

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Ireton
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:28 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What the heck chews up 100mhz of 5.8ghz?!?


Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> yeppers.  something like that.
> 
> Triangulate in on where it's coming from and ask the folks that own 
> the
> structure the antenna is on.
> 
> It might be cheaper to pay them to change polarities than it is to 
> reset
> your plan.
> 

I think the concensus - western multiplex - makes sense. And probbly a 
cell carrier. I do totally understand legacy equipment and such, but 
dammit I could get a few hundred mbps out of that same chunk and have 
channel space left over... but again that's using moden equipment.

I know I probbly have zero chance of sucess, but would anyone think 
(provided I can find the operator) that we could work something out - 
either like a polarity change as marlon suggested, or just buy them some 
more spectrally effecient gear...? I understand they may need to have an 
actual T1 electrical interface, but there are a few players that can 
actually do this job with much much less spectrum. I know of ceragon and 
their fiberair, as well as redline can do this. I've never heard of a 
deal like this but it would be helpful. Otherwise I'm going to have to 
change plans and that's gonna be a little expensive. Sort of wish I'd 
done an SA first but it's in the middle of nowhere and I just assumed 
based on past experience it wasn't going to be a problem... WRONG!

Mike-

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RE: [WISPA] 900 antenna question

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

I personally don’t run 180's, so I don’t know. I think we get our 120's for
about 700.

We get ours from CTI.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 11:16 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 antenna question



Mike Bushard, Jr wrote:

>Why don’t you just get these? 
>
>MT-243015/NH - 902-928 MHz 11dBi 180° Horizontal Pol.
>  
>
Who do you buy them from and how much?

>It's made by MTI, the same brand as the Teltronics.
>
>We run MTI 120's for all of our Horizontal towers (17 of these antennas
>deployed total right now). The mount scared me a little though, it is a
Cast
>"V" (Same style as the Orthogon Radios) and then you secure it with hose
>clamps. It seems to work well thought. I think the down tilt gauge is kinda
>cheesy, so we bought a incli-meter from the local tower crew.  
>
>Mike Bushard, Jr
>Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
>320-256-WISP (9477)
>320-256-9478 Fax
> 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
>Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:24 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 antenna question
>
>I don't know but until now the best 180* antenna I can find is the 8dbi 
>from superpass (which I installed today and were crap).  This one looks 
>nice.
>
>Brian
>
>Travis Johnson wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>Looks to me like it's about 5db off at 180 degrees. What's the price 
>>on this antenna?
>>
>>Travis
>>Microserv
>>
>>Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>http://www.teletronics.com/15-404.pdf
>>>
>>>What would the gain at 180* be on this antenna.  I want to make sure 
>>>I am reading it right.
>>>
>>>Brian
>>>  
>>>
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RE: [WISPA] 900 antenna question

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Why don’t you just get these? 

MT-243015/NH - 902-928 MHz 11dBi 180° Horizontal Pol.

It's made by MTI, the same brand as the Teltronics.

We run MTI 120's for all of our Horizontal towers (17 of these antennas
deployed total right now). The mount scared me a little though, it is a Cast
"V" (Same style as the Orthogon Radios) and then you secure it with hose
clamps. It seems to work well thought. I think the down tilt gauge is kinda
cheesy, so we bought a incli-meter from the local tower crew.  

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 antenna question

I don't know but until now the best 180* antenna I can find is the 8dbi 
from superpass (which I installed today and were crap).  This one looks 
nice.

Brian

Travis Johnson wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Looks to me like it's about 5db off at 180 degrees. What's the price 
> on this antenna?
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>
>> http://www.teletronics.com/15-404.pdf
>>
>> What would the gain at 180* be on this antenna.  I want to make sure 
>> I am reading it right.
>>
>> Brian
>
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RE: [WISPA] on call staff

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

We run Friday at 5:30 to Friday at 5:30. We
pay $75 per week, plus over time if they have to go out on a call.

 



Mike Bushard, Jr

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320-256-WISP (9477)

 

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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chris cooper
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006
12:37 PM
To: 'WISPA
 General List'
Subject: [WISPA] on call staff



 

How do the rest of you compensate tech staff for on call
duties?  We have an on call tech that monitors network remotely throughout
weekend and is responsible for rolling to tower/major customer in case of
outage.

 

Thanks

Chris






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RE: [WISPA] FREE OSS and Billing Software for WiSPS

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

I looked at GCI Capital, but realized leasing just did not fit us, they we
really nice and were willing to lease just about anything.
http://www.gcicapital.com

I was working with Terri Fosberg.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 7:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] FREE OSS and Billing Software for WiSPS

The paid services look pretty good.   I'm checking them out now.  I've 
looked at other 3rd party tech support companies but they all seem to have 
to adapt to WISP support.  This is a WISP that knows WISP needs.  When I 
talked with the guy he had most of the right answers to my questions.

They will send you 2 servers to put at your main POP.  The two servers load 
share and fail over.  The servers are in-line on your network but parallel 
to each other at your POP.  Your customer traffic goes through them...they 
each split up the load of CPEs they manage and if one goes down the other 
takes on all traffic from all CPEs.

The servers do bandwidth management (I think it's limited now in that it 
cannot do traffic-type-shaping...just mainly up/down speeds on different CPE

service type profiles).  They do DHCP, NMS, alerting, etc.

Their level 1 tech support:
- will take phone calls from your customers (currently they have a 12-hour 
shift but he said they were expanding their level 1 support hours).
- will help your customers with their routers, their firewall software, 
their e-mail program, their e-mail password
- will provision a radio on your system and set up a customer record
- will help you over the phone to allow you to have one guy out there aiming

an antenna at the AP getting feedback on bidirectional SNR, packet 
loss/retransmission, etc
- will help you over the phone if you're on top of a tower putting on a 
connector and asking "How's that working now?"

Their NOC support:
- responds to alarms and checks a protocol to see if you want to be woken up

at 2 in the morning for such an alarm (7/24)
- watches performance of backhauls

Their billing system is free for you to use and integrates with the customer

service side of the database.  If you have your own merchant account for 
billing via credit card, it will do that free of charge.  If you want to use

their merchant account, there are fees.  You can even set it up so that your

customers can pay by check but you never have to handle the checks (with 
fees, of course, as this will take labor).

I'm on the upper end of their 250-CPE mark and will pay $250 per month with 
(most likely) no $$$ up front.  Then I will pay $500 per month for the 
251st-500th CPEs.  I am going to try this out on a 1-year contract.  It's 
worth that much to me just to see if it will work out for my situation.

I think that if it is a good service, then it will be a good option for some

small WISPs.  It is clear to me that if my business will keep growing, it 
will grow out of a service like this.  This may buy me some time and get me 
over that hump, though.

p.s.  I haven't talked with them about their CPE lease option but I plan to.

I'm also talking to other leasing companies about leasing CPE.  Anyone out 
there have opinions on leasing companies?  (I chose my words carefully there

about not starting a debate on whether or not to lease CPE.)

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
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From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization" 
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 5:27 PM
Subject: [WISPA] FREE OSS and Billing Software for WiSPS


> FREE OSS and Billing Software for WiSPS
> And then there are all the paid services.
>
> http://www.dboss-online.com/
>
> read the pdf
> prices on page 22, but I emailed them and they said the prices are 
> changing.  More like $250.00 a month for 0 - 250 customers (bundled 
> services)
>
> http://www.dboss-online.com/wisp_services.pdf
>
> Pretty neat services they offer.  I'm not technical enough to do it all on

> my own, this looks ok.
>
> Give me some input here.  Are all these services needed?  How does the 
> value look?
>
> Brian Rohrbacher
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RE: [WISPA] Are these good or bad Alvarion VL statistics...

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Good old Oldsmobile. My dad had a 442, man was it nice.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 10:23 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are these good or bad Alvarion VL statistics...


- Original Message - 
From: "Brad Belton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 9:14 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Are these good or bad Alvarion VL statistics...


Hello David,

Great tip on the 4-4-1.  What does the 4-4-2 mean?


+++
4 barrel carb
4 speed tranny
dual exhaust

Any car guy should know that!

grin
marlon

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RE: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

If you are buying all new hardware (P9) it will all do 2X rate (14Mbps). We
run Advantage AP's and Legacy SM's, here's why:

With the Advantage AP you it will fun full 2X 14Mbps all the time. Legacy
SM's will run Full 2x Rate for the duration of the burst setting in the SM,
alter the Burt bucket is expended it will rate limit itself to a max 7Mbps,
Still run in 2x rate but it limits the Ethernet port throughput.

It is kind of confusing at first.


Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 6:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon

So the AP will deliver 14Mbps of bandwidth even if all the SM's are only 
running at 1x rate?

Travis
Microserv

Mike Bushard, Jr wrote:

>Run Advantage AP's and Legacy SM's.
>
>With the Advantage AP's and legacy SM's you get the Latency, and High
>Priority Channel all the time, and can burst to full 2X Rate. If you need
>the full 2x Rate Sustained, buy an Advantage SM.
>
>
>To answer your question, yes the Advantage AP will deliver the full 14Mb
>Aggregate.
>
>Mike Bushard, Jr
>Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 11:51 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon
>
>Another quick question...
>
>If you are running a Canopy Advantage AP and you use regular Canopy 
>SM's, can the AP still deliver the 14Mbps of bandwidth, or will it be 
>limited to 7Mbps (like the SM's)?
>
>Trying to decide if I want to use Advantage SM's or just regular?
>
>Travis
>Microserv
>
>Anthony Will wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Well I have had 2.4ghz radio's link up at -89db (not very well mind 
>>you but...) so I don't know what to tell you other then Moto has 
>>traditionally understated there spec sheets.  The GPS is what sets the 
>>timing for the AP's.  The AP's coordinate the timing slots for all 
>>SM's registered to them.  So how it works is that all AP's on channel 
>>1 across the world all transmit at the same time, and all SM's synced 
>>to a AP on channel 1 with GPS timing from the AP listen at the same 
>>time.  Distance is not relevant unless you are utilizing the feature 
>>set of the SM to retransmit a GPS sync pulse that it receives from and 
>>AP to a BH or AP.  The lag that is introduced by having to transmit 
>>that pulse info across the wireless link to the SM retransmitting is 
>>the only time that distance can come into play.  The application this 
>>is used for is for a cheap repeater system so that you dont have to 
>>have a GPS synchronizing device at every tower.
>>/>SM
>>GPS -->AP#1 /
>>   \
>> \>SM (retransmitting GPS sync pulse) -->AP#2 
>>-->SM (retransmitting GPS sync pulse) -->AP#3 (this AP will be out of 
>>sync with AP#1)
>>
>>Basically the timing is measured in nano seconds so it takes to long 
>>for RF to transmit the data across the wireless links to continue to 
>>propagate the timing signal.  But if you put a GPS sync generating 
>>device at AP#3 it would be in perfect time with AP#1 and close enough 
>>timing with AP#2 that they all would get along.
>>
>>One thing to keep in mind is if you are the only Canopy shop in the 
>>area you can have your AP's generate the sync pulse and avoid the cost 
>>of the GPS synchronizing items.  Also again as for the distance 
>>statement.  6 AP's in a cluster sharing 3 channels have to be synced.  
>>believe me the messy antenna on the Canopy units dont have a good 
>>enough F/B ratio to not hear another AP 6" away from it.  The two AP's 
>>that are back to back share the same channel so that when they 
>>transmit the SM's that are listening are as far away from each other 
>>as possible and thus reduce any chance of talking over each other.  
>>The largest benefit that GPS sync allows is to add additional capacity 
>>to area's by allowing for more towers to be in a smaller area without 
>>self interference.  If long range rural deployments are the plan then 
>>GPS sync will only benefit you if you have competitors utilizing the 
>>same equipment and configuration in the area.  So a Moto advantage 
>>cluster has about 84mb total (Classic Canopy would be 42mb) FTP 
>>bandwidth available to it.  If more is needed you can place the towers 
>

RE: [WISPA] Legal insight? - OTARD VS Property Managers

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

When I read the otard rules it seems to me that they CAN stop you from
mounting on the roof. The only place you could mount was tenant exclusive
areas. Basically the balcony attached to the apartment.

I hope I misread it though. 

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Chad Halsted
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 2:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Legal insight? - OTARD VS Property Managers

Marlon,

Just curious, have you ever had to force this issue with property
management?  I imagine this could be a difficult fight to win for a
WISP.  What happens at the end of the day when the Property Manager
tells the WISP to shove off?  Legal action?  For what, potential lost
subscribers?  


"- Can property managers prevent my subscribers from having an
externally
mounted antenna?

mks:  No. OTARD covers wisps too."


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Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:13 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Legal insight?



- Original Message - 
From: "Patrick Leary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 2:29 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Legal insight?


This outta be a fun and interesting thread:

mks:  You are one mean drunk, Superman!

As it relates to this space, rate the following 1-10 (1 being high
priority and 10 being "I could care a less") in terms of important if
you could bend the mind of top legal experts to get an opinion. Add
other questions you like answered in your reply.

mks:  I guess I'm a bit confused.  Those are not really 1 thru 10 type 
questions.  Those are questions begging answers.  I'll try to do both 
though.

Comment or add to this list:
- What good is Form 477

mks:  It's the ONLY official head count of broadband customers.  1

 and do we really need to file it?

mks:  Absolutely.  Without known customers we have NO value in the food 
chain.  The more customers we have the more power we have.  1

- Does CALEA affect me?

mks:  Still trying to figure that one out.  I've got a note in to the
FCC 
for some clarification on this issue.  3

 How? When? How do I solve it without it costing
an arm and a leg?

mks:  Not only that, but it is really any of MY buisiness what my
customers 
do on the net?  If someone thinks there's a problem with a customer,
come to 
me with a search warrent and the needed tools for the search (just like
you 
would come to my house) and have fun.  No one is going to want 
everything they've ever done on the internet saved forever.  That's the
kind 
of silly crap that the Nazis and Soviets did.  Look where it got them.
2

- What's the real risk, if any, of not using certified systems?

mks:  Realistically?  Little or no risk.  Although, under the rules
changes 
from 2005 it's pretty hard to be out of certification these days.  Power

levels, that's a whole nother issue though.  Gotta pay attention to
them!  5

- What does it mean to have a "certified system" in the first place?

mks:  It means that ALL of your radio gear, clear down to the cable
level, 
has made it past the FCC and is certified to work within certain
parameters. 
Note: I did NOT say work as advertized :-).  8

- Don't the revised rules allow me to make the choice about what base
station antennas I wish to use?

mks:  Yes.  3

- How is 3650 coming along and how do it look like it will shape up?

mks:  Great question.  I sure wish I could get something out of the FCC.

Sinces it's an issue on the table at this time they won't talk to me.
Will 
they change the rules that they put out for us last year?  I hope not.
1

- Does the FCC really read comments I file on anything?

mks:  Yes.  Even the late filings.  3

 How important
(and difficult) is it for me to officially voice my comments?

mks:  Within WISPA it's easy.  When we find out about issues that mater
to 
the industry we file on the issue.  We also point out EXACTLY how our 
membership can also file on the issue.  EVERYTHING that the FCC does,
rules 
wise, comes from the written reccord.  If you don't voice your thoughts
they 
CAN'T legally act on them.  And it has to be in writing, you can't just
call 
in and tell them what you want them to do.  3

- What the deal with the TV bands?

mks:  I'm loosing hope on this one.  The broadcasters are very powerful.

And they seem to be willing to pull out all of the stops on this.  Clear

down to a 60 Minutes exploding gas tank version of the truth.  And
because 
we, as an industry, aren't good at filling out our 477s we're not even
give 
"pimple on the but" status these days.  The current chairman at the FCC
has 
turned out to be far less of a fan of the entr

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

So everything will be Advantage I wont complain.

I wonder if the AP prices will drop then?

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ralph Fowler
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 2:53 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon

I was told a couple of days ago that the "regular" SMs are going away soon.
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 12:26 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon

You can have the cake and eat it too!!

Advantage AP to Classic SM can achieve 14 mbps to the Classic SM, not
sustained, only burstable.

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RE: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Run Advantage AP's and Legacy SM's.

With the Advantage AP's and legacy SM's you get the Latency, and High
Priority Channel all the time, and can burst to full 2X Rate. If you need
the full 2x Rate Sustained, buy an Advantage SM.


To answer your question, yes the Advantage AP will deliver the full 14Mb
Aggregate.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 11:51 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon

Another quick question...

If you are running a Canopy Advantage AP and you use regular Canopy 
SM's, can the AP still deliver the 14Mbps of bandwidth, or will it be 
limited to 7Mbps (like the SM's)?

Trying to decide if I want to use Advantage SM's or just regular?

Travis
Microserv

Anthony Will wrote:

> Well I have had 2.4ghz radio's link up at -89db (not very well mind 
> you but...) so I don't know what to tell you other then Moto has 
> traditionally understated there spec sheets.  The GPS is what sets the 
> timing for the AP's.  The AP's coordinate the timing slots for all 
> SM's registered to them.  So how it works is that all AP's on channel 
> 1 across the world all transmit at the same time, and all SM's synced 
> to a AP on channel 1 with GPS timing from the AP listen at the same 
> time.  Distance is not relevant unless you are utilizing the feature 
> set of the SM to retransmit a GPS sync pulse that it receives from and 
> AP to a BH or AP.  The lag that is introduced by having to transmit 
> that pulse info across the wireless link to the SM retransmitting is 
> the only time that distance can come into play.  The application this 
> is used for is for a cheap repeater system so that you dont have to 
> have a GPS synchronizing device at every tower.
> />SM
> GPS -->AP#1 /
>\
>  \>SM (retransmitting GPS sync pulse) -->AP#2 
> -->SM (retransmitting GPS sync pulse) -->AP#3 (this AP will be out of 
> sync with AP#1)
>
> Basically the timing is measured in nano seconds so it takes to long 
> for RF to transmit the data across the wireless links to continue to 
> propagate the timing signal.  But if you put a GPS sync generating 
> device at AP#3 it would be in perfect time with AP#1 and close enough 
> timing with AP#2 that they all would get along.
>
> One thing to keep in mind is if you are the only Canopy shop in the 
> area you can have your AP's generate the sync pulse and avoid the cost 
> of the GPS synchronizing items.  Also again as for the distance 
> statement.  6 AP's in a cluster sharing 3 channels have to be synced.  
> believe me the messy antenna on the Canopy units dont have a good 
> enough F/B ratio to not hear another AP 6" away from it.  The two AP's 
> that are back to back share the same channel so that when they 
> transmit the SM's that are listening are as far away from each other 
> as possible and thus reduce any chance of talking over each other.  
> The largest benefit that GPS sync allows is to add additional capacity 
> to area's by allowing for more towers to be in a smaller area without 
> self interference.  If long range rural deployments are the plan then 
> GPS sync will only benefit you if you have competitors utilizing the 
> same equipment and configuration in the area.  So a Moto advantage 
> cluster has about 84mb total (Classic Canopy would be 42mb) FTP 
> bandwidth available to it.  If more is needed you can place the towers 
> with in a few miles and divide a cell into two micro cells each with a 
> possible 84mb of total bandwidth for a total of 168mb serviced to a 
> given area. One last note, GPS timing will not allow for two separate 
> clusters of the same type ( two 2.4ghz clusters) to be on the same 
> tower.  I can't write out whats in my head on this getting a 
> little late in the night but if you wanted to I could talk to you over 
> the phone and explain it.  Send me an email to anthonyw (at) 
> broadband-mn.com and Ill give you my cell phone number or give you a 
> call.
>
> Anthony Will
> Broadband Corp.
>
> Travis Johnson wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> First, the spec sheet on Motorola's website says -86 RSSI.
>>
>> What happens when you have more than 3 towers outside of the 8 mile 
>> range of GPS sync? The 2.4ghz signal will definately travel that far, 
>> causing self-interference, correct?
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> Anthony Will wrote:
>>
>>> Answers in-line
>>>
>>> Travis Jo

RE: Motorola membership (Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon)

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

I have a few phone numbers. The tech support has gotten better, but I only
call them with Prizm/BAM problems.

I really don't know that they have a "Patrick" but the area rep is helpful.
He has always gotten me to the right person.

Mike Rosedale Cell 847.722.1047



Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 9:20 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: Motorola membership (Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon)

Partial hijack here.  On a related subject, is there anyone at Motorola 
that is "really good with WISPs".  Someone who I can call and talk to as 
a Canopy user.  Not a script reader.  I admit I have never called them.  
I rely on vendors, and other WISPs for all Canopy related info and 
support.  Moto is so big, I'm scared that I'd get the "hold music" for 
an hour and them some dude that I can't understand..Ok..what I 
want to know is what moto # do I call to talk to their "Patrick Leary".  
:)*Patrick suddenly feels warm and fuzzy inside...*  So I guess this 
isn't too much of a hijack.  :)  How do we contact their "Patrick".  
After we know that we can talk to him about joining.

Brian


Dylan Oliver wrote:

> On 9/28/06, *Rick Harnish* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> If we can get Motorola to become a WISPA vendor member, we will
> gladly start a list here without those restrictions. 
>
> How has Motorola been approached?
>
> Best,
> -- 
> Dylan Oliver
> Primaverity, LLC 

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RE: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

We have never saw a problem with 2.4 self interfering. Only 900Mhz, and that
is easily fixed. 

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 11:40 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon

Hi,

First, the spec sheet on Motorola's website says -86 RSSI.

What happens when you have more than 3 towers outside of the 8 mile 
range of GPS sync? The 2.4ghz signal will definately travel that far, 
causing self-interference, correct?

Travis
Microserv

Anthony Will wrote:

> Answers in-line
>
> Travis Johnson wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'd like to go back to the specs on different radios just so I can 
>> compare for myself..
>>
>> Trango 2.4ghz:
>> 5Mbps auto ratio
>> 8 non-overlapping channels
>> 10mhz spectrum per channel
>> -90 Receive level
>> 15 mile range (without a grid)
>> External connector and dual-pol integrated antenna
>> $879 AP (WISP price)
>> $479 SU (WISP price)
>>
>> Canopy 2.4ghz (regular):
>> 7Mbps fixed ratio
>> 3 non-overlapping channels
>> 20mhz spectrum per channel
>> -86 Receive level
>
> 2.4 canopy has a -89 receive level
>
>> 5 mile range (without a dish)
>> $902 AP (reseller price online)
>> $490 SU (reseller price online)
>
> I am guessing your quoting single prices here.  Now that maybe viable 
> for this discussion but realistically if a WISP is not financially 
> able to purchase in 25 packs they likely are very underfunded.  So 
> that the information is available a 25 pack of the "Classic" 2.4 ghz 
> Canopy units is $6709 so if you break that down to single price that 
> is about $269ea + $50 for reflector for a total of $319ea.  
> http://www.doubleradius.com   It is possible to get them cheaper then 
> this but you will have to deal with co-op's or ebay.com
> Also I would never install a unit with a 60* pattern (Trango or 
> Canopy).  Just include the$50 for a reflector or stinger from 
> http://www.wirelessbehive.com
>
>>
>>
>> Based on the information from Mike, I could not use Canopy. In 
>> several areas, I have 4-5 towers located within 5 miles of each 
>> other how do I do that with Canopy? With Trango, I use a 
>> different channel for the sector pointing toward another tower 
>> (frequency planning and coordination is very important) and 
>> everything works great. Is there a solution for this with Canopy?
>
> This is where GPS sync comes in.  You can point two different tower 
> locations on the same frequency at each other and they will not 
> interfere with each other.  This is how it is possible to do a 6 AP 
> cluster on one tower with only 3 non overlapping channels.
>
>>
>> Also, by using only a 10mhz spectrum per channel, Trango's channel 1 
>> and channel 8 are actually outside the reach of Canopy and 802.11 
>> (for the most part) and thus can almost always be used in a noisy 
>> environment.
>
> Remember with Canopy you generally don't have to avoid interference.  
> Find the cleanest channel and 90% of the time you will be the few db 
> louder then the noise that you need to make a viable link.
>
> Anthony Will
> Broadband Corp
>
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> Mike Bushard, Jr wrote:
>>
>>> Well, so far as we can tell the only thing that can kill canopy, IS 
>>> CANOPY.
>>> We have put it up against WaveRider, Alvarion, and 802.11b. They all 
>>> fell of
>>> the face of the earth.
>>> We have 16 tower sites deployed, all 900Mhz and 2.4, over 1000 CPE 
>>> and more
>>> on the way. (I realize there are many people bigger than us.)
>>>
>>> We use a mix of MTI Omni's, MTI or Tiltek 120deg Sectors (MTI for 
>>> Horizontal
>>> and Tiltek for Vertical) and integrated 60deg sectors (I really wish 
>>> someone
>>> would come out with a descent H-pol as I don't like the integrated 
>>> antenna)
>>> with 900. Cyclone Omni's or 120deg sectors on 2.4.
>>>
>>> Here is what I have found with GPS Sourced Sync vs. Generate Sync:
>>>
>>> If you want channel reuse you need GPS sourced sync.
>>> If you have a tower more than 8 miles away, you need to use different
>>> channels no matter what, even with GPS sourced sync you still have 
>>> speed of
>>> light issues from tower to tower.
>>>
>>> Can you Generate sync and deploy multiple AP's in a given area, yes. 
>>&g

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Here is a crude picture of one of our areas. 

Aside from the one site everything works great. 18 Canopy 900 Sectors in a 6
mile radius. Plus 2 Vertical that are not in the image. Need less to say
that town is pretty well smoked.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Anthony Will
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:12 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon

Well I have had 2.4ghz radio's link up at -89db (not very well mind you 
but...) so I don't know what to tell you other then Moto has 
traditionally understated there spec sheets.  The GPS is what sets the 
timing for the AP's.  The AP's coordinate the timing slots for all SM's 
registered to them.  So how it works is that all AP's on channel 1 
across the world all transmit at the same time, and all SM's synced to a 
AP on channel 1 with GPS timing from the AP listen at the same time.  
Distance is not relevant unless you are utilizing the feature set of the 
SM to retransmit a GPS sync pulse that it receives from and AP to a BH 
or AP.  The lag that is introduced by having to transmit that pulse info 
across the wireless link to the SM retransmitting is the only time that 
distance can come into play.  The application this is used for is for a 
cheap repeater system so that you dont have to have a GPS synchronizing 
device at every tower.
 />SM
GPS -->AP#1 /
\
  \>SM (retransmitting GPS sync pulse) -->AP#2 
-->SM (retransmitting GPS sync pulse) -->AP#3 (this AP will be out of 
sync with AP#1)

Basically the timing is measured in nano seconds so it takes to long for 
RF to transmit the data across the wireless links to continue to 
propagate the timing signal.  But if you put a GPS sync generating 
device at AP#3 it would be in perfect time with AP#1 and close enough 
timing with AP#2 that they all would get along.

One thing to keep in mind is if you are the only Canopy shop in the area 
you can have your AP's generate the sync pulse and avoid the cost of the 
GPS synchronizing items.  Also again as for the distance statement.  6 
AP's in a cluster sharing 3 channels have to be synced.  believe me the 
messy antenna on the Canopy units dont have a good enough F/B ratio to 
not hear another AP 6" away from it.  The two AP's that are back to back 
share the same channel so that when they transmit the SM's that are 
listening are as far away from each other as possible and thus reduce 
any chance of talking over each other.  The largest benefit that GPS 
sync allows is to add additional capacity to area's by allowing for more 
towers to be in a smaller area without self interference.  If long range 
rural deployments are the plan then GPS sync will only benefit you if 
you have competitors utilizing the same equipment and configuration in 
the area.  So a Moto advantage cluster has about 84mb total (Classic 
Canopy would be 42mb) FTP bandwidth available to it.  If more is needed 
you can place the towers with in a few miles and divide a cell into two 
micro cells each with a possible 84mb of total bandwidth for a total of 
168mb serviced to a given area. 
One last note, GPS timing will not allow for two separate clusters of 
the same type ( two 2.4ghz clusters) to be on the same tower.  I can't 
write out whats in my head on this getting a little late in the 
night but if you wanted to I could talk to you over the phone and 
explain it.  Send me an email to anthonyw (at) broadband-mn.com and Ill 
give you my cell phone number or give you a call.

Anthony Will
Broadband Corp.

Travis Johnson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> First, the spec sheet on Motorola's website says -86 RSSI.
>
> What happens when you have more than 3 towers outside of the 8 mile 
> range of GPS sync? The 2.4ghz signal will definately travel that far, 
> causing self-interference, correct?
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Anthony Will wrote:
>
>> Answers in-line
>>
>> Travis Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'd like to go back to the specs on different radios just so I can 
>>> compare for myself...
>>>
>>> Trango 2.4ghz:
>>> 5Mbps auto ratio
>>> 8 non-overlapping channels
>>> 10mhz spectrum per channel
>>> -90 Receive level
>>> 15 mile range (without a grid)
>>> External connector and dual-pol integrated antenna
>>> $879 AP (WISP price)
>>> $479 SU (WISP price)
>>>
>>> Canopy 2.4ghz (regular):
>>> 7Mbps fixed ratio
>>> 3 non-overlapping channels
>>> 20mhz spectrum per channel
>>> -86 Receive level
>>
>> 2.4 canopy has a -89 receive level
>>
>

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

I’ll draw a pretty picture tomorrow,
it’s bed time….

 



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-- Jon



 

Hi,

I'd like to go back to the specs on different radios just so I can compare for
myself...

Trango 2.4ghz:
5Mbps auto ratio
8 non-overlapping channels
10mhz spectrum per channel
-90 Receive level
15 mile range (without a grid)
External connector and dual-pol integrated antenna
$879 AP (WISP price)
$479 SU (WISP price)

Canopy 2.4ghz (regular):
7Mbps fixed ratio
3 non-overlapping channels
20mhz spectrum per channel
-86 Receive level
5 mile range (without a dish)
$902 AP (reseller price online)
$490 SU (reseller price online)


Based on the information from Mike, I could not use Canopy. In several areas, I
have 4-5 towers located within 5 miles of each other how do I do that with
Canopy? With Trango, I use a different channel for the sector pointing toward
another tower (frequency planning and coordination is very important) and
everything works great. Is there a solution for this with Canopy?

Also, by using only a 10mhz spectrum per channel, Trango's channel 1 and
channel 8 are actually outside the reach of Canopy and 802.11 (for the most
part) and thus can almost always be used in a noisy environment.

Travis
Microserv

Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: 

Well, so far as we can tell the only thing that can kill canopy, IS CANOPY.We have put it up against WaveRider, Alvarion, and 802.11b. They all fell ofthe face of the earth.  We have 16 tower sites deployed, all 900Mhz and 2.4, over 1000 CPE and moreon the way. (I realize there are many people bigger than us.) We use a mix of MTI Omni's, MTI or Tiltek 120deg Sectors (MTI for Horizontaland Tiltek for Vertical) and integrated 60deg sectors (I really wish someonewould come out with a descent H-pol as I don't like the integrated antenna)with 900. Cyclone Omni's or 120deg sectors on 2.4. Here is what I have found with GPS Sourced Sync vs. Generate Sync: If you want channel reuse you need GPS sourced sync.If you have a tower more than 8 miles away, you need to use differentchannels no matter what, even with GPS sourced sync you still have speed oflight issues from tower to tower. Can you Generate sync and deploy multiple AP's in a given area, yes. Youjust need to make sure you have Frequency separation. Does this mean Irecommend it, NO. Also even with every site GPS Synced, you still can only put so many AP's ina given area be for you need to go to a different polarity. At least we knowthere will never be another 900Mhz based ISP in one of our towns. Also on a side note, I have never found a problem with 2.4, it is 900 thatwill give you problems, it just carries so far. If the noise floor waslower, and Canopy could run at -90 we would have coverage for a long ways.It seems like we can always pick up a AP at -80. YMMV. Mike Bushard, JrWisper Wireless Solutions, LLC  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Matt LiottaSent: Monday, September 25, 2006 5:07 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon Patrick Leary wrote:  

I'm speaking about multipoint matt, not ptp. The dedicated ptp you aredoing is by far the exception. Canopy is designed, built, and sold to beprimarily a pmp system. I've never met or heard of a Canopy pmp networkof any scale that did not require GPS.   

I'd be interested in further explanation on this topic. We have some Canopy pmp and haven't found the lack of GPS a problem. Granted we don't have a large amount of pmp, but I would certainly like to understand any future pain before we experience it. -Matt   




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RE: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Well, so far as we can tell the only thing that can kill canopy, IS CANOPY.
We have put it up against WaveRider, Alvarion, and 802.11b. They all fell of
the face of the earth. 

We have 16 tower sites deployed, all 900Mhz and 2.4, over 1000 CPE and more
on the way. (I realize there are many people bigger than us.)

We use a mix of MTI Omni's, MTI or Tiltek 120deg Sectors (MTI for Horizontal
and Tiltek for Vertical) and integrated 60deg sectors (I really wish someone
would come out with a descent H-pol as I don't like the integrated antenna)
with 900. Cyclone Omni's or 120deg sectors on 2.4.

Here is what I have found with GPS Sourced Sync vs. Generate Sync:

If you want channel reuse you need GPS sourced sync.
If you have a tower more than 8 miles away, you need to use different
channels no matter what, even with GPS sourced sync you still have speed of
light issues from tower to tower.

Can you Generate sync and deploy multiple AP's in a given area, yes. You
just need to make sure you have Frequency separation. Does this mean I
recommend it, NO.

Also even with every site GPS Synced, you still can only put so many AP's in
a given area be for you need to go to a different polarity. At least we know
there will never be another 900Mhz based ISP in one of our towns.

Also on a side note, I have never found a problem with 2.4, it is 900 that
will give you problems, it just carries so far. If the noise floor was
lower, and Canopy could run at -90 we would have coverage for a long ways.
It seems like we can always pick up a AP at -80.

YMMV.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC


-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 5:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon

Patrick Leary wrote:
> I'm speaking about multipoint matt, not ptp. The dedicated ptp you are
> doing is by far the exception. Canopy is designed, built, and sold to be
> primarily a pmp system. I've never met or heard of a Canopy pmp network
> of any scale that did not require GPS.
>
>   
I'd be interested in further explanation on this topic. We have some 
Canopy pmp and haven't found the lack of GPS a problem. Granted we don't 
have a large amount of pmp, but I would certainly like to understand any 
future pain before we experience it.

-Matt

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RE: [WISPA] 300Mbps Wireless

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Our Spectra Lites are adaptive timeslots,
if that’s the right term. If you run the link calc it will give you a Max
throughput in either direction:

 


 
  
  
  
   

   
   


   
  
   
  
  
   

 

   
  
  
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
 
 
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
  146.50
  
 
 
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
  114.26
  
 
 
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
  99.9%
  
 
 
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
  0.06
  
 


 

 

 

All I can say is make damn sure you set
the noise floor, it makes a huge difference with these radios.

 

Answer your question

 

 



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From:
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Wireless



 

Just visiting www.orthogonsystems.com
to see if Spectra will do 2:1 Master:Slave asymmetric throughput like the
Gemini (Spectra won't) .. I see the Gemini and Spectra have been rebranded as
the PTP 400 and PTP 600, respectively. 

What stupid names! I hope to god they don't screw up the hardware as they're
doing  to the brand. 

Who wants to talk about a PTP-600? 

-- 
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Primaverity, LLC 






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RE: [WISPA] Not me, no way!

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

I realize it's a commercial and all; but seriously

There appears to be a Ladder inside the tower, just like the 1,000 footers
up here. I would surely not think they would try to climb the face of a
tower like that.

Second, a tower like that SWAYS big time that high up, with a good breeze I
can watch the 1,100' tower sway with binoculars. During a storm, if it's
light enough out, you can see it with the naked eye.

The older fellow did not have any shock absorbing lanyards with, much less
hooked off above him.

However I would have liked to saw what happens to that coke bottle if it hit
he ground.

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-Original Message-
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Are you sure you are looking at the same climber?

But anyways, to answer your question, about what
their job is - its to act in a commercial!



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Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 12:30 PM
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> Some bad editing (i mean movie magic)... how did he get from being
> hooked around a post to the middle of the cross members ;)
>
> i think it is cool though! except what exactly is their job? It looks
> like there's a marker light on the opposite top piece but not the one
> they're on.
>
> have fun.
>
> On 8/28/06, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> http://www.pockethercules.com/broadcast_detail16.html
>>
>> Marlon
>> (509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
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>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
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RE: [WISPA] Fw: [isp-wireless] Sector Antenna's I want the Best!

[Mike Bushard, Jr]

Testing mail server.

Mike Bushard, Jr
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I thought some here my get some use out of this thread.

Hope it helps,
Marlon
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> David, as usual, great thoughts.
>
> Let me add a bit here on the "but what should *I* do???" side of things.
>
> I have both omni and sector solutions on the air.  I have both non amped 
> and amped of both.  Let me show you how/where I get to each option.
>
> Very rural, few customers likely in the first 18 to 24 months.  The 
> AVERAGE ap out there will service from 75 to 100 subs jut fine as long as 
> you don't have many hogs.  So in a case where I'll likely have less than 
> 50 users I'll go with an amplified omni unless the geography is such that 
> there's just no way to get more than a few miles of service out to people.
>
> Down town where there are a few companies in the shadows of my main wpops 
> I may put in an omni.  Low gain so that coverage only extends a few blocks

> etc.
>
> I have some sites on hill sides that overlook many hundreds of houses. 
> Very stiff competition so there number of customers isn't really an issue.

> Spectrum issues are though.  There are at least 4 other wisps on the hill,

> one of whom is both stupid and mean.  You know the type, never met an amp 
> he didn't like.  He's got a sector that points to NO customers, only 
> to my tower.  The good news is that operators like that eventually run out

> of money and will go away.  But in this location I've got SIX different 
> systems.  4 of them are 2.4 and three of those are on the same channel. 
> Remember you have not only the noise that your ap's see to deal with but 
> also the noise that your cpe sees coming from his ap's.  In my case I have

> sectors as narrow as 30* (panel antennas make nice sectors and are 
> cheap!). I also rotate polarity ass needed to help bleed off as much noise

> as I can.
>
> There are other spots that I have no customers behind a tower on a hill so

> sectors just make sense anyway.  If long range is needed OR if I do have a

> customer or two out of the main lobe of the sector I may put an amp on the

> sector too.  Usually there's no need though.  It's surprising that a 
> sector with an amp and running at the max legal 4 watts will often not 
> give much more coverage than a sector with no amp running at 1 or 2 watts.

> The main reason for that is the noise that the amp injects into the system

> keeps your SNR about the same as often as not.
>
> There's also a cost factor.  A good Maxrad adjustable beam sector (the 
> only ones I buy nowadays) is about $400 from EC.  The H-Pol version is 
> $250ish. I tried the cheap sectors from Maxrad and another company and all

> systems running them act just a bit strange.  Drop in a good antenna and 
> it's AMAZING how much better the system runs!  A good omni antenna from 
> Maxrad is about $100.  Others that are worth having are in that ball park 
> (remember, there's ALMOST NEVER a good reason to run an omni over 
> 10dB!!  The high gain ones are just more money for the sales 
> geeks).
>
> Sooo, 360* coverage with an omni and amp.  $400 for a good ap, $250 for a 
> good amp ($800? for a great one), $100 for an antenna, $25 to $150 for 
> cables and we're at around $1000 for an omni based wpop.  (plus backhaul 
> but we'd need that anyhow)  For a sectored solution you've got $400 for an

> ap, $400 for an antenna, $5 to $25 for cable (cat 5 this time).  Times 
> THREE or more puts us into the $1200 to $1500 range.
>
> Now, there are some that say you should put in the sectors just because 
> it's so close in price and you have better spectrum usage that way.  I 
> don't really buy into that theory.  You'll usually use ALL spectrum when 
> sector vs. one channel when using an omni.  However, with sectors it's 
> easier to avoid noise coming from different directions on different 
> channels/polarities.
>
> The FIRST