"The fourth skandha, discrimination, is also a particular mental factor.
It is similar to recognition but different in that discrimination is
judgmental. It is the mental factor that makes one thing better than
another. For example, differentiating that my faith or belief is better
than that of
*bows*
May I pour, then?
Be well.. k
--- On Fri, 1/14/11, SteveW wrote:
From: SteveW
Subject: [Zen] Re: So what should I do?(to Steve/list)
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 10:08 PM
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--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Rose P wrote:
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forum a days ago about the mind state of another, which is what prompted
me to wonder how zen viewed this particular tendency that people
have
Rose, never mind Zen, what c
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I forgot to add a couple of things. I noticed a comment made on the forum a
days ago about the mind state of another, which is what prompted me to wonder
how zen viewed this particular tendency that people have For me personally,
I do feel it's a particularly negative aspect of the human con
The 'assess' part, certainly not the *others* part :)
And I'm wondering whether zen finds it questionable/inappropriate/not conducive
to good practice/not conducive to good meditation or
mindfulness/unskillful/likely to lead to more and more assumptive
thoughts/likely not to lead to peace/possi
Is the thing you find questionable the "assess" or the "others"?
My elliptical post earlier was just meant to say that the changes that I
experience in sitting seem to make me more aware of the other people around
me, and therefore I am oddly more able to see their body language and
non-verbal stu
Bill,
The flying carpet is only good for moving shikantaza. Don't use it for
shikanwalk, or you will fall over the edge. No God's hand can help you.
Anthony
--- On Sat, 15/1/11, Bill! wrote:
From: Bill!
Subject: Re: [Zen] News: Can sitting too much kill you?
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Dat
Bill,
I will continue to challenge you to fly, even if you have the help of the giant
hand of God.
Anthony
--- On Sat, 15/1/11, Bill! wrote:
From: Bill!
Subject: Re: [Zen] Differences Tao/Chan, which older
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 15 January, 2011, 8:10 AM
Anthony,
How about shikanwalk?
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wrote:
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> Bill,
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> You say, "any activity I do (like daily life) with a clear mind (Buddha Mind)
> is shikantaza".
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> When I move from place to place with a clear mind is 'just sitting'
> (=shikantaza). I can't th
ED.
I agree. What I was trying to impress upon Kristy and Anthony, especially
Anthony, is that beliefs are not something to diparage. Beliefs are good.
They're all you have.
I think the problem is when you mix up beliefs and explanations. Anthony keeps
bringing up gravity and challenges me
Kristy/ED,
I can live with 'my way is the right way'. But I am amused at 'my way is the
only right one'. Buddha was mortal, but his idea is immortal. Immortality does
not mean it lasts forever. Buddha gave his teachings a life of 500 years. After
that would come another 500 years of something s
ED,
Although I have some doubts about some of your points, that does not stop me
admiring your 'clear mind' (in the sense of smartness).
One minor point: Chan is not a monopoly of JM's Heart Chan. The word is a
Chinese corrupt form of the Indian 'jhana'. Its history dates back to the Indus
Va
Edgar,
'Just piss' is a better idea. At least it releases pressure.
Anthony
--- On Fri, 14/1/11, Edgar Owen wrote:
From: Edgar Owen
Subject: Re: [Zen] Differences Tao/Chan, which older
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 14 January, 2011, 7:45 PM
Steve,
Then, lets form a tea party.
Anthony
--- On Fri, 14/1/11, SteveW wrote:
From: SteveW
Subject: [Zen] Re: So what should I do?(to Steve/list)
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 14 January, 2011, 12:08 PM
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Bill,
In Indonesia, they call it 'chia kopi' (eat coffee).
Anthony
--- On Fri, 14/1/11, Bill! wrote:
From: Bill!
Subject: [Zen] Re: So what should I do?
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 14 January, 2011, 8:52 AM
Anthony,
Some call that c
Bill,
You say, "any activity I do (like daily life) with a clear mind (Buddha Mind)
is shikantaza".
When I move from place to place with a clear mind is 'just sitting'
(=shikantaza). I can't think of a better way of doing that than ride a flying
carpet.
Anthony
--- On Fri, 14/1/11, Bill! wr
Bill,
You are saying, 'if I am Having Lunch I am not eating khao pat gung. Then I am
Eating Khao Pat Gung. Thank you.
Anthony
--- On Fri, 14/1/11, Bill! wrote:
From: Bill!
Subject: [Zen] Re: So what should I do?
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 14 January, 2011, 8:41 AM
I think what I'm saying Chris, is *should* we be assessing (at all), if zen
isn't really about doing so..but I want to ask this without the word
*should*.but don't know how tohmm... :)
Rose
--- On Fri, 1/14/11, ChrisAustinLane wrote:
From: ChrisAustinLane
Subject: Re: [Zen] begin
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Let me just say than when I am less distracted by my thinking, I am more prone
to glance at people in the same room as I am.
When I am more open to reality being different from what I prefer, I am more
likely to notice person X is tense or sad or energetic (than to think 's!!!
What now!?! Why
On Friday, January 14, 2011, Mel wrote:
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> recommending it seem useful are rarer is the main difference.
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Bill,
Yes-- of course I agree and understand this. But Edgar's posted article was
not really about zazen, per se. It was about correlating physical activity
with health status. For me, zen living is balanced living, and physical
exercise and activity for recreation or labor is a part of
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Mel wrote:
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> MEL: Steve, unfortunately I cannot impress you as above. I got no higher than
> orange belt in Goju in the early 90s and had basically left all k
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Mel wrote:
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> Even Buddha, I suspect, had some shadowy corners.Â
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> MEL: Apparently, his englightenment was not permanent. He was human, and
> therefore suffered just like the rest of us before and after tha
Mel: Habitual/regular mind reading would be quite unnatural for a zen way of
life
R: I'm hooked into pondering a little on this today Mel. The things I'm
pondering on are 1. the no *goal* aspect of zen 2. the fact that humans are
prone to assess another persons mind.
As for the flowers, I
Thanks,
Chris Austin-Lane
Sent from a cell phone
On Jan 14, 2011, at 7:01, Kristy McClain wrote:
> Mel pondered if my suggestion that Buddha's enlightment was impermanent,
> when I offered that even Buddha likely had "bad hair days".
I missed that thread, but it is an interesting questi
I think the beliefs arise after the system. The beliefs may reinforce the
system but do not cause the system and are not the system.
Thanks,
Chris Austin-Lane
Sent from a cell phone
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--- On Fri, 1/14/11, ED wrote:
From: ED
Subject: Re: [Zen] Differences Tao/Chan, which older
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 7:28 AM
Ed,
Good point. I recently listened to a discussion about the greatest danger
facing those on a spiritual path, to inclu
Mayka,
Every individual on this Forum has his/her own particular beliefs,
understandings, feelings and experiences - and that's what makes the
Forum useful and interesting.
My having different, similar or the same beliefs, undertandings,
feelings or experiences than yours or anyone else's is a
Bill and All,
All systems, whether philosophical, psychological scientific, religious,
etc. or mixed rest on basic beliefs, principles, postulates and
assumptions.
In Zen, for instance, some of these premises might be:
o Buddha Nature is a reality
o Non-rational experiencing is of th
--- On Fri, 14/1/11, Kristy McClain wrote:
Even Buddha, I suspect, had some shadowy corners.
MEL: Apparently, his englightenment was not permanent. He was human, and
therefore suffered just like the rest of us before and after that more
well-known enlightenment of his
in peace
Mel
There is no corruption...ahem...commission...(definitely not in politics) in
the US of A. I haven't been there, but I know. 'Cause patriotic and
loving Americans tell me so...ya!
yours truly
Dr Mel
--- On Fri, 14/1/11, Bill! wrote:
From: Bill!
Subject: [Zen] Re: So what should I do?
T
--- On Fri, 14/1/11, SteveW wrote:
Hi Mel.
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MEL: Hi Steve!
I also practice Shotokan (Shodan). My original training was in the JKA version,
but recently I have been exposed to some of the kata devised by the late Master
--- On Fri, 14/1/11, Chris Austin-Lane wrote:
We are all already our own conselors. Zen adds nothing to this basic
fact of reality.
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MEL: In my younger years, I used to see movies where a temple monk or som
Greetings Kristy/forum
A good idea Kristy. I wish I could use one but my room is too small. Ah well,
I'm sure the sets and reps I do on the hyper-extesion bench at the gym is
enough for my lower back
in peace
Mel
--- On Fri, 14/1/11, Kristy McClain wrote:
The trend these days is to use one o
Greetings Rose and forum
--- On Fri, 14/1/11, Rose P wrote:
ROSE: Is this something to do with the fact that we're all practising, and
no-one really ever actually achieves beginners mind 100%? But still, beginners
mind is something that we might agree is a goal (not the right word) of
sorts..
--- On Fri, 14/1/11, Chris Austin-Lane wrote:
From: Chris Austin-Lane
Subject: Re: [Zen] Not understanding mindfulness(to Chris/list)
To: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com"
Received: Friday, 14 January, 2011, 4:05 AM
On Thursday, January 13, 2011, Mel wrote:
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*smiles*of course it is...and enjoy the experience as Mahakasyapa did
when the Buddha held and admired a white flower...
in peace
Mel
--- On Fri, 14/1/11, ChrisAustinLane wrote:
Oh oh, I know, I know!
What is real exactly is this moment. In my case this time, fingers touching
glass
Po-TAY-to, po-TAA-to...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristy McClain wrote:
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> I disagree. Its your belief about your experience.
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> Kristy
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> --- On Thu, 1/13/11, Bill! wrote:
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> From: Bill!
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Differences Tao/Chan, which older
> To: Zen
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