be nice if you
could pointed out and then I can try to be younger. Wouldn't you?
:-)
Fitness63 wrote:
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - Indeed, even the chakra connections, chi flow,
etc. occur most fluidly when we expect the least. Our head really blocks
off a lot of things
Dear Billy,
You seem to have many issues with your internet experience. YAHOO changed its
formatting about a year ago, and now it is not possible to copy and cut parts
of HTML messages. So you must convert to plain text when you reply in order to
be able to take out parts of the message.
If
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - Indeed, even the chakra connections, chi flow,
etc. occur most fluidly when we expect the least. Our head really blocks
off a lot of things
Did you really write this, or do you have someone translating for you? I
hope you are not offended, but sometimes you
of the HTML problems.
Happy chi! ...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Fitness63 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Billy,
You seem to have many issues with your internet experience. YAHOO
changed its formatting about a year ago, and now it is not possible
to copy and cut
.
Edgar
On Sep 12, 2008, at 12:52 AM, Fitness63 wrote:
I think Buddha Nature is a bigger illusion than CHI. I never talk about it
at all, because I do not think that there is Buddha Nature. Buddha was not God,
he was just some fat prince that could afford to sit in a cave
exercise is not good. He was definitely living out of balance.
Edgar
On Sep 12, 2008, at 12:52 AM, Fitness63 wrote:
I think Buddha Nature is a bigger illusion than CHI. I never talk about it
at all, because I do not think that there is Buddha Nature. Buddha was not God,
he
From: cid830 We can only follow their teachings if we choose to accept
them, regardless of whether or not they actually taught them at all.
What we are talking about is the proverbial LEAP OF FAITH that is required
for any belief system, and thus zen, like any other religion or philosophy
Did you write an article about this too? Let's get all the goodies.
- Original Message -
From: Edgar Owen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Zen] Sex Chi
Jeni Jeni,
Historically there is a long history of
, etc...; would you?
Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Fitness63 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Bill Smartas soon as you enter into a
dualistic despription of chi, assigning it such qualities as
personal chi,
universal chi, good chi, bad chi, feminine chi, masuline chi
anguish (mind karma) and accidents (spiritual karma).
Just some observations to share.
Fitness63 wrote:
By the way, are you a Roshi or a monk or a sensei? I am sorry that I
may sound disrespectful to you and the other guy (forgot who he
was), but this forum
No, but the person who introduced me to zazen about 30 years ago had been a
judo instructor in Cuba, and he was always talking about CHI and that zazen
focused your CHI and made it stronger and that you would become more aware of
your CHI through zazen.
Al
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By the way, I learned a lot from that old Judo instructor. He is a very nice
guy and now he is in his 80s.
I think that he felt that Judo and Zen were intertwined and that zen helped him
focus his CHI to be better at Judo.
I think that is why the samurai also were devoted to zen. It was not
From: Bill Smart I think the major difference between Chan and zen is
spiritualism, which inlcudes things like Chi.
Every class that I ever took on zazen said that the focus of the mind in the
navel is because that is where the CHI is.
The hands together with the triangle over your CHI to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%27i Wikipedia gives an interesting history that
is probably very incomplete, but short.
I thought CHI was the energy that was focused during zazen, especially from the
Dhyana Mudra over the CHI center, the navel.
From: Bill SmartYour comments about how people can use Chi are good
examples of the spritualism I reject and classify as maya, but they're
entertaining to think about.
You must be aware of your CHI if you meditate regularly.
This was interesting, from The Anelects of Confucius:
The [morally]
From: Edgar Owen which is more or less what I've been saying about chi (the
common substance of things) and the forms it can take on which correspond to
the discrete things
the more that people have pointed out the differences, the more that I have
noticed the similarities. I appreciate
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - Hi Bill, Your post was what I expected. If you
had mentioned in the first place that spirituality to you has no meaning,
then I don't have to write that many posts. :-) JM
You sound like a missionary who tries to convert a heathen and then says
What could I expect
So you finally let go of your mistaken notions and accept CHI?
very good grasshopper.
Now understand CHI.
CHI is everywhere. CHIcks, CHIhuahuas, CHIn, CHIna, CHIcano, CHIcago, CHIli,
CHIle, etc.
Get in touch with CHI. Ride your CHI.
- Original Message -
From: Bill Smart
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - Each of us can live in the ZONE 24/7, by
abandoning our mind, enhance our spirituality, using chi as the medium to
sync to the universal consciousness.
According to some, the CHI is maya and there is nothing but JUST THIS which
is lurching forward experiencing
From: cid830 if you detach yourself from your Ego through these
'mind-numbing' practices you will be a better person, more in-tune with the
world around you and enabling you to be an agent of change or positive
influence to others.
I would like that, but Bill, Mike, Edgar, etc., state it is
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - The question is what is reality. According to
Diamond Sutra, reality is Buddha, or Final Form. Then only after we surpass
Form and Formlessness, then we see Buddha. Final form is the universal
support of all forms, which is the life energy of everything. How can we be
From: mike brown The only thing that is real is this moment now (JUST THIS!
ala Bill!)- nothing else exists outside of it. Nothing can exist outside of
it. Anything else is just wishful thinking and obscures a direct experience
of THIS. The simpleness of Zen is not disappointing (or lame-O :)
From: Bill Smart Zen is not warm and fuzzy. Zen is crisp and clear. It's the
ultimate WSYWIG.
What-See-You-What-It-Get?
Ho-Ho-Ho
Is there humor in THIS?
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk about it
From: Bill Smart It is not a name of a particular think. It is not a proper
noun.) is direct experience of reality.
OK, so what? My dog experiences reality directly without illusions
(presumably).
What you define as zen sounds like Zombie Zen, not even Happy People Zen.
You are talking about
That is very good stuff. Thanks!
Al
- Original Message -
From: Daryl E Curry
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 6:49 PM
Subject: [Zen] Re: Sick of Flaming
I understand your revulsion towards the flaming, that seems reasonable on its
face.
I got Zen Recovery a couple of weeks ago but I am only up to page 36. It is
very good so far.
- Original Message -
From: Endymion
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen Whore
Hi Jeni,
Have you
- 覺妙精明In short Zen may have lost a major part of Chan in Japan. JM.
Or maybe Edgar has no idea what he is talking about?
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links
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- 覺妙精明 I don't know whether the other guy you were talking about is
Donald Hwong.
Are you the guy from Europe who looks Scandinavian and has a goatee?
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk about it
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - I don't seem to understand your comment on what
I wrote. I don't find them relate to each other.
OK. You say Chan is about karma and liberation? I agree.
I think that HAPPY PEOPLE ZEN is what is now being taught in many places in
America. It is NO KARMA, just HAPPY
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not trying to mix the two. The intent of
my post is to show some of the similarities between the two, especially
those that I believe relate to zen, which as you also know I don't consider
to be a exclusive to Buddhism or a sub-set of Buddhism.
I was on another
Santeria is a mixture of African witchcraft and Christianity. Some members of
this group want to do the same thing to Buddhism and I think that is very sad.
Instead of raising yourself up, you are lowering Buddhism to your level.
The author is Mel Ash. The title is Zen Recovery.
- Original Message -
From: Al
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 1:01 PM
Subject: [Zen] Zen Recovery
I am reading a book called Zen Recovery. It is in my car. I forgot the
name of the
I am sorry that I thought about responding. It is very disappointing to see
someone post a message that says Test of Character and then when challenged
about it, they blame the imaginary internet gremlins.
What kind of world are we living in? What kind of group permits this kind of
thing? Why
From: Edgar Owen If it happens again I hope that members will be able to
distinguish my real posts from the hacker's simply by the low spiritual
level and hostility of his posts.
Yes it is very clear to me that you are flying high at another level of
spirituality from which we can all only
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