At 23:05 10/22/2002 -0500, M Marc wrote:
I once had to cross
three provinces in Canada to find an open restaurant!
I hope one of them wasn't Ontario. You could get mighty smackin' hungry
trying that one.
Till
/
At some point in the past, Mark (and Marc) wrote:
Marc:
In the U.S. every voter registers for a party (or as an independent --
as I recall the rules vary considerably from
Mark:
What? You mean to say that you cannot vote in the US unless you register
your preference? Is that true? And if
At some point in the past, Jon wrote:
Noj
---
Has anyone heard from Jim Cobabe recently? Getting kind of concerned.
Bill Lewis AKA
Cousin Bill
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Guess what! I'm published! Check out this link:
http://www.writers-and-publishers.com/ebooks
For the last couple of years I've been toying with the idea of becoming
a
Democrat, although as a conservative and Constitutionalist I don't
imagine
I would be a very good Democrat.
I think I understand a little bit what you are saying and we talked about
it when I visited you. I'm torn
Gore is a Gadianton too, so what choice do any of us have? I wouldn't
fault President Hinckley for voting for a Bush Gadianton before a Gore
Gadianton. Who knows? Perhaps he voted for Patrick Buchanan like I
did. Or better yet, perhaps he voted the rest of the ballot and left
the
At some point in the past, Stephen wrote:
To make sure the Democrats in an area don't band together and elect a
Republican candidate who can't possibly win the general election, and
vice versa.
-
This happens, I'm sure. I mentioned before that this is the way things
Marc -
I congratulate you on an excellent self-analysis, and I do mean this as a
compliment.
Now, repent! :-)
Jon
Marc A. Schindler wrote:
I think it's time I correct an impression that I somehow have an anti-US
bias. I can see how that would come out, and those of you who know me
from
In a primary election where people are voting to select a candidate to run
in the general election, only members of a particular party should be able
to select their party's candidate. At least, that is my opinion.
Unfortunately, people with an agenda have changed this in many states. Of
course,
Then you would logically follow from your argument that one wouldn't
have
to be ordained a god, king and high priest?
That's not what I read in the scriptures. I read in Rev 1:6 and other
references that we must be made kings and high priests unto God the
Father.
I'm willing to learn and change
I was referring to Stake President and up. They have money and prestige.
There are plenty of talented yet poor High Priests who never get the call
because they don't have money. Money is a prerequisite to those callings.
I hope that it doesn't sound like I am faulting the Lord. I'm simply
pointing
At some point in the past, Paul asked:
So, who all on this list
voted for Bush?
-
Not I, said Cousin Bill. Nor will I ever vote for a Bush. I did vote for
the first Bush. That was when I was young and foolish and didn't know
better.
Cousin Bill
Gary Smith wrote:
The reality is, the proof is in the pudding.
Arg! I have heard so many people say this lately, and it is just plain
wrong! It doesn't mean anything!
I have it on EXPERT advice that the proper saying is The proof of the
pudding is in the eating. This DOES make sense. This
At some point in the past, Jon wrote:
Well, I voted for Bush and I will again next time.
--
As did many other people that I know and love. I won't hold it (your voting
for Bush) against you if you won't hold (the other) it (my not voting for
Bush -- and no, I didn't vote for
If one defines a good Democrat as being someone who works
within the party to bring about a better platform, select better leaders and
elect better office holders (those that would agree with church teachings),
then it would be possible to be a good Mormon and a good Democrat.
Thanks to
Paul Osborne (replying to someone else):
Right. And your ALSO points out that the money is required
in order to get those high callings of Stake President and up.
___
I can assure you that money is not a requirement in order to
be called as a stake president.
I can further
-Paul-
The Lord will not call a poor man to be an apostle. Poor people
are just not good enough for the job. You have to have money.
If I remember correctly, Elder Packer spent his professional life in the
CES, a job practically guaranteed to keep you dressed in rags.
Stephen
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/22/science/22JESU.html?ex=1036036800en=53be1b8ad1e35ddaei=5062partner=GOOGLE
Here is a story in the New York Times reporting a discovery published in
Biblical Archaeology Review. Unless it is a fraud, it may be the earliest
reference to Jesus found so far. It is
From this morning's Globe, of all places, the news that StatsCan has
allowed the Family History Library to put the 1881 census online. Very
good article.
http://www.globeandmail.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20021023/UCENSN/national/national/nationalTheNationHeadline_temp/13/13/41/
--
Marc
Toronto has become a centre of telemarketing scams aimed at USAmericans:
http://www.globeandmail.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20021023/UVISAN/national/national/nationalTheNationHeadline_temp/27/27/41/
--
Marc A. Schindler
Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland
I wrote a letter to the editor of the Globe and Mail expressing concerns
about the difficulty provenance of this find presents to authenticating
it. I also gave Hershel Shanks a backhanded compliment. They chose
instead to publish a better, more focused letter, and one from a genuine
expert, as
Cousin Bill
If one defines a good Democrat as being someone who works
within the party to bring about a better platform, select better leaders
and
elect better office holders (those that would agree with church
teachings),
then it would be possible to be a good Mormon and a good Democrat.
Sounds
Not I, said Cousin Bill. Nor will I ever vote for a Bush. I did vote
for
the first Bush. That was when I was young and foolish and didn't know
better.
Cousin Bill
Hey, you just called me a fool. (don't worry, I'm sure I am)
I voted for Reagan the first time and I was only 18. I voted for
I can assure you that money is not a requirement in order to
be called as a stake president.
I followed it for years in the Church News and have clearly seen that the
money guys get the callings. I can't deny those facts. The guys who get
called in third world countries are the merchants and
My former stake president was a public school teacher and later an
administrator and my current stake president is in a similar income
bracket. Both of them are most likely below the 50th percentile with
regard to income within the stake boundaries.
How can you justify statements like that,
Will we ever see a janitor, a manual laborer, a machinist, a farmer, a rancher, as an
apostle?
To test this out - what are the current or former occupations of the apostles?
Its interesting that a carpenter ended up saving mankind.
Vic
--- Paul Osborne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don't
Marc:
You're no fun. I was trying to yank your chain.
Dan:
Sorry, I was coming down with the flu, and dealing with that misnomer known
as Quality Assurance
Now I'm trying to wade through all of my messages...
Dan R Allen wrote:
Marc:
Dan, I think I already know the answer to this (I'm not
What he said! Thanks, Gary. You have made a distinction that I've been trying to
make, but have done it more elegantly: a mistake is not necessarily a sin.
Gary Smith wrote:
Hopefully Marc and Stephen can remember to be Christians first, and right
second.
--
Marc A. Schindler
Spruce Grove,
Your general point is a fair one, but the problem is we don't really have enough
knowledge here. Yes, North Korea deliberately lied and misled. I'm sure Jimmy
Carter's not surprised, he's not that stupid. But the fact is that after he went
there, a crisis was defused. Whether someone else could
Paul Osborne:
I can assure you that money is not a requirement in order to
be called as a stake president.
I followed it for years in the Church News and have clearly seen
that the money guys get the callings. I can't deny those facts.
... It's one of those unwritten rules. ;-)
To test this out - what are the current or former occupations of the apostles?
Here are some of the former occupations of all the current apostles. Neither
President Hinckley nor President Packer could have become wealthy from their
employment, so Paul's theory fails in those cases
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gary,
Opinions being what they are; being a liberal (whether a Democrat in the U.S., or
perhaps a member of the Labour party in England), it is incompatible with being a
straight-laced LDS.
Well, as I think I've already mentioned, there is a Labour MP who's a
Mark Gregson wrote:
To test this out - what are the current or former occupations of the apostles?
Here are some of the former occupations of all the current apostles. Neither
President Hinckley nor President Packer could have become wealthy from their
employment, so Paul's theory fails
It was Prince Edward Island. Before the Confederation Link* was built. All he
could see was seafood but the service was lousy.
*a big bridge that connects PEI to New Brunswick, built about 5-10 years ago. It
rises up high enough and is reinforced to allow it to resist icebergs, believe it
or not.
Mark Gregson wrote:
If one defines a good Democrat as being someone who works
within the party to bring about a better platform, select better leaders and
elect better office holders (those that would agree with church teachings),
then it would be possible to be a good Mormon and a
The quality's not so good because it was scanned without descreening
from a newspaper, but if anyone's curious what Tom Matkin looks like
download http://www.geocities.com/marcschindler1/matkin.JPG (it's from
the Temple City News, and it's the news article about him being called
as the new stake
I am glad that your mother listened and then harkened to that prompting
she received. The best we can do in a situation like this is to pray for
our families, the victims and their families, and especially for the
sniper (or snipers) - that they may come to their senses and realize the
horrible
The following article makes an argument against the United Nations that,
thought I had never heard before, makes perfect sense, and leads me to
wonder why I had never heard it before. (I'm also slightly embarrassed that
I had never thought of it before.)
United Nations
James Humes
Wednesday,
I posted a definition of an ideologue here a short time ago. Here it is again
from Oxford's:
1. a system of ideas or way of thinking, usu. relating to politics or society, or
to the conduct of a class or group, and REGARDED AS JUSTIFYING ACTIONS, EXP. ONE
THAT IS HELD IMPLICITLY OR ADOPTED AS A
Oooyyy! Mark or Bonnie (or even Heidi) -- didn't you tell him about Tim
Horton's? That poor boy. (Gary, not Tim)
[If you're ever in trouble on the highway, head for the closest Tim Horton's --
you'll always find cops there...]
Gary Smith wrote:
So, you are judging a small patch of Europe
The liberal philosphy tending towards pro-abortion, pro-gay,
pro-pornography, the free-drug/booze/sex culture. This would be so
anti-LDS's philososphy, that in all conscienceness that the
straight-laced LDS would even attempt to go to the temple.
This is not what liberal means to me at all.
Will we ever see a janitor, a manual laborer, a machinist, a farmer, a
rancher, as an apostle?
A janitor, a manual laborer, and a machinist are not qualified to become
apostles but a rich rancher and a rich farmer could be considered.
Paul O
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Clinton aide slams Pentagon's UFO secrecy
By Richard Stenger
CNN
Tuesday, October 22, 2002 Posted: 3:09 PM EDT (1909 GMT)
http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/10/22/ufo.records/index.html
[A] former White House chief of staff and an international investigative
journalist want to know what the
What do I do?
Heidi the fair
Don't worry. They will catch him soon. A lot of people are watching and
those who know the sniper may catch on that something is wrong and report
it.
Paul O
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sign Up for Juno
They're all being stored in Iraqi presidential palaces -- that's why the
government won't release the report.
Cousin Bill wrote:
Clinton aide slams Pentagon's UFO secrecy
By Richard Stenger
CNN
Tuesday, October 22, 2002 Posted: 3:09 PM EDT (1909 GMT)
By the way, did you know that the FBI employee, the woman at the Home Depot
store, was LDS?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What do you all think about the DC sniper? Anyone have any theories on it?
I'm not sure what to think except that I'm just sick about it. My parents
and one of my sisters
Cousin Bill wrote:
The following article makes an argument against the United Nations that,
thought I had never heard before, makes perfect sense, and leads me to
wonder why I had never heard it before. (I'm also slightly embarrassed that
I had never thought of it before.)
United Nations
Thanks for the reminder!
It was hard to know how to respond to that well-meaning response without breaking
the list's charter. It's all a word game, I think we know that. It depends on how
you define words.
Paul Osborne wrote:
The liberal philosphy tending towards pro-abortion, pro-gay,
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:09:51 -0500 Paul Osborne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Did I say that a man had to be wealthy to become a GA? The unwritten
rule
is that he has to have money and resources. He almost always has a
prestigious job and a fine education. That is what the Lord is
looking
I didn't know this, but I do know that when the woman vaccuuming her van
was killed, the news said she was a former nanny, married and a recent
convert to the Mormon Church.
val
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:40:03 -0600 Marc A. Schindler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
By the way, did you know that the FBI
Marc,
I'd love to hear your response to the following:
When did the United Nations become the supreme moral authority of the world?
One might advance such a proposition if most of the organization were
represented by democratic governments, but that is not the case. Of the 191
nations in the
I voted for this Bush, but not because he really excited me. I would
really have preferred Steve Forbes.
I voted for Bush because he was better than the alternatives. Better imo
than Gore or Harry Brown (Libertarian). Now, had Neil Boortz been
running, I would have voted Libertarian. ;-)
I'm
I would say that most apostles will have money. There are exceptions,
though fewer and fewer as the Church grows. Even today, many of our
apostles are not wealthy, but are comfortable. President Monson has
almost always worked in the Church, so basically lives on a stipend given
him, plus revenues
I have thought that if several millions of righteous people were to
become Democrats, we could change its platform radically, returning it
back to its more conservative roots of the 1950s. I'd love to see it back
away from its liberal raunch, and back to being a party of character
(rather than a
Actually, it IS .05 percent. That means it is less than one percent
chance of happening. I agree that it could have been stated clearer.
As for the provenance, yes it is a shame that there is none for this
artifact. However, there are things they can verify. For example, they
can compare the
I agree that the office of High Priest is not necessary in this life.
I've never said that. I've only said that it is necessary to be a god.
When we are set apart to be kings and priests the term priest means
high priest. There is very strong symbolism in it. See my other email
on this with the
I give Stephen the point that I can't find a specific scripture showing
one will eventually be ordained a high priest in heaven. However, i still
hold to that point. However, I do have some quotes below.
BTW, it isn't just a modern office. Melchizedek was a high priest.
Christ was ordained a high
Paul,
What is your definition of money? Is it $40,000? $50,000? $100,000?
$1,000,000?
Most school administrators I know make about $50K. So if that is your
definition of money, then you are right, most stake presidents AND High
Priests have money. By the time they get to that age, they have
Unfortunately, it is what Liberal now means in the US.
It used to be that liberal was one that sought to help the underdog with
smart assistance from government, while ensuring the freedoms of the
average joe. But the term liberal has been co-opted by fringe groups in
the US. Gore is a perfect
You make it sound like these jobs were handed to them on a silver
platter. Not so. They all started at the bottom, with no silver spoon in
the mouth. Any money the GAs have, they earned it. Any education they
received was from hard work.
Do you think any of them had been wishing and hoping to
At 07:36 PM 10/23/2002, you wrote:
IMO, I agree with President George Washington in his Farewell Address,
that we should shun political parties. All they have done is divide the
nation along a single line without as much as a care for actual platform.
Too many people vote for a party, simply
Paul Osborne:
... to become a GA? The unwritten rule is that he has to
have money and resources. He almost always has a
prestigious job and a fine education. That is what the
Lord is looking for. If you don't have those benefits you
can't be called to be a GA, let alone a SP.
It fits. So there is a high possibility of this being authentic and in
the right timeframe. But imagine having the bones of James!
I think the only way you're going to get the bones of James is if you tug
on his LIVING limbs. If you do that Gary I'm sure he'll smack you.
ha ha ha ha
Paul
-John-
Figure the odds. Only a dozen or so have been killed out of
population of over 14,000,000. You chance of being killed is
about the same as a meteorite landing on your head.
Well...not really. I believe there is only one known case of a meteor
striking a person -- and she survived.
Hmm. Maybe I've got my wires crossed. The one I'm thinking of worked at the time
of her death at the FBI (which doesn't say what she did earlier), and she had red
hair. Does that fit in?
Valerie Nielsen Williams wrote:
I didn't know this, but I do know that when the woman vaccuuming her van
At 08:25 PM 10/23/2002, you wrote:
Unfortunately, it is what Liberal now means in the US.
It used to be that liberal was one that sought to help the underdog with
smart assistance from government, while ensuring the freedoms of the
average joe. But the term liberal has been co-opted by fringe
According to the Old Testament, the House of Israel is supposed to be a
nation of priests. I assume that is still true. The lesser priesthood is
called the Aaronic or Levitical priesthood. The higher priesthood from
which all other priesthoods are mere appendages is called the Melchizedek
At 11:41 PM, Tuesday, 10/22/02, Gary Smith wrote:
It is partially an issue of maturity/age: placing those who have not had
a line authority position requiring HP status, into the HP quorum/group,
in order to strengthen the individual and also to strengthen the quorum.
Yes but that is not what
Gary Smith wrote:
You make it sound like these jobs were handed to them on a silver
platter. Not so. They all started at the bottom, with no silver spoon in
the mouth. Any money the GAs have, they earned it. Any education they
received was from hard work.
Do you think any of them had been
Hopefully, these will help to show the importance of the future
ordination of all of us brethren as high priests and kings unto God the
Father.
Ok. I'm convinced. I look forward to my ordination someday. :-)
Paul O
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 02:55 AM, Thursday, 10/24/02, Stephen Beecroft wrote:
I mentioned before that there were two definitions of the term high
priest. To be more accurate, there are at least three definitions of
high priest that refer to a holder of the true Priesthood:
1. The lead, or head, or high, priest of a
Gary Smith wrote:
Actually, it IS .05 percent. That means it is less than one percent
chance of happening. I agree that it could have been stated clearer.
But he meant 1 in 20, which is 5%. I agree that's not clear from the context, but
when you read the AP and other wire service reports
At 08:47 AM, Wednesday, 10/23/02, Paul Osborne wrote:
I was referring to Stake President and up. They have money and prestige.
There are plenty of talented yet poor High Priests who never get the call
because they don't have money. Money is a prerequisite to those callings.
I hope that it doesn't
What is your definition of money? Is it $40,000? $50,000? $100,000?
$1,000,000?
My definition of money is when you have it in the bank and you don't owe
anyone anything except perhaps the mortgage.
Most school administrators I know make about $50K. So if that is your
definition of money,
At 12:03 PM, Wednesday, 10/23/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Will we ever see a janitor, a manual laborer, a machinist, a farmer, a
rancher, as an apostle? To test this out - what are the current or former
occupations of the apostles? Its interesting that a carpenter ended up
saving mankind.
---
I agree with everything you are saying Gary but I'm not thinking that all
the GA's were born with silver spoons. I know they worked hard and got
educated and have fine jobs that pay quite well. That is the nature of
the man who gets the call. I am merely pointing out how the Lord does
business and
At 09:43 PM, Wednesday, 10/23/02, Gary Smith wrote:
There is nothing prestigious to these callings. There is some
recognition, but in all reality, the pay isn't that great. Most would
prefer to make it to heaven without the experience of being an apostle or
stake president, but the humble ones
I think that Paul is being deliberately provocative in order to stir up
a
discussion. I coached him while he was here. grin
It works pretty good, doesn't it Paul?
Yep. Your s right John. I like to be provocative and stir things up.
It's fun, but I would feel bad if I hurt someones
Stephen Beecroft:
If a man who has previously served as elder's quorum
president, then been released, is again called to serve,
he does not need to have the keys given him.
___
Keys, where needed, are given to the person set apart
for a calling. He only holds those keys until
-Larry-
Keys, where needed, are given to the person set apart for
a calling. He only holds those keys until he is released.
How about that? That's directly opposite to what a bishop told me years
back. Thanks for the clarification.
Stephen
At 10:48 PM, Wednesday, 10/23/02, Cousin Bill wrote:
Not I, said Cousin Bill. Nor will I ever vote for a Bush. I did vote for
the first Bush. That was when I was young and foolish and didn't know better.
I have noticed that on some of the websites run by people with politics
similar to my
At 03:08 PM, Wednesday, 10/23/02, Larry Jackson wrote:
And while I'm here, I would also add that high priest is not
a higher office in the Melchizedek Priesthood, just a different
office, with specialized (and temporary) responsibilities.
I have heard that half of all elders are inactive. But
-John-
I have heard that half of all elders are inactive. But that
fewer than 5 percent of high priests are inactive. Can anyone
here confirm or deny this?
I can't confirm or deny Church-wide, of course, but around here that's
not the case. 50% is approximately right for the elders,
At 09:00 PM, Wednesday, 10/23/02, Gary Smith wrote:
It fits. So there is a high possibility of this being authentic and in
the right timeframe. But imagine having the bones of James!
No bones, just the box. The bones are long gone. --JWR
At 09:17 PM, Wednesday, 10/23/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote:
I'm happy for the world of biblical archaeology, don't get me wrong, and
perhaps
ironically for someone who's probably perceived as being pro-science, I at
least
know science's place and certainly its weaknesses. It says nothing about
I have heard that half of all elders are inactive. But that fewer than
5
percent of high priests are inactive. Can anyone here confirm or deny
this?
Sounds about right. Keep in mind though that this also includes the
perspective elders who never got ordained.
Gee wizz. Now I feel like
Below is an extract from Tragedy and Hope regarding Cuba which also implicates the US
as an Imperial Power. Now Quigley is an apologist for the establishment according to
Skousen if I remember The Naked Capitalist, or was it The Naked Communist?
The agrarian discontent, the growth of
At 08:36 PM, Wednesday, 10/23/02, Gary Smith wrote:
One more thing. We need to put term limits on all Congress. One term for
Senate, two for House. Then we wouldn't have people fighting to keep
themselves forever in office, and it would reduce the amount of voter
bribes. New Senators and
At 11:29 PM 10/23/02, Stephen Beecroft wrote:
I do agree with at least one thing you've said: High priests are far
more likely to be active than elders.
Physically?
;-)
--Ronn! :)
I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon.
I never dreamed that I would see the last.
88 matches
Mail list logo
