Re: [ZION] Robert J. Matthews

2003-11-16 Thread Stacy Smith
I do know that Joseph Smith said the Old Testament apocrypha had been apparently translated incorrectly but not terribly, and if we wished we could read that, if I even remember that. The New Testament apocryphal writings have never been commented on by the church leaders, to my knowledge,

Re: [ZION] Highway 666

2003-11-16 Thread Stacy Smith
I found page 666 in the Bible in my room to lead directly to the Book of Job. Isn't that interesting? Stacy. -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at ///

Re: [ZION] The Hymn of the Pearl

2003-11-16 Thread Stacy Smith
That's quite a document. I believe I've seen it only once before. Yes, there seems to be a couple of teachings which it suggests, but proving it to the world is something else again. Then again, maybe the world doesn't have to know. Stacy. -- [Non-text portions of this message have been

Re: [ZION] Good Feelings

2003-11-15 Thread Stacy Smith
That makes sense. Stacy. At 09:54 PM 11/14/2003 -0800, you wrote: John all the others on this list I too hope good feelings can always be maintained on ZION. I will be the first to admit that good feelings are hard to deal with when your medium is the printed word. I have had more than my

Re: [ZION] Sons of Perdition

2003-11-15 Thread Stacy Smith
Like Nauvoo in its early days? Let's see, that would be fun. Stacy. At 04:58 PM 11/14/2003 -0500, you wrote: Gerald Smith wrote: It's good for us to have more than one viewpoint, even if we don't agree. It should challenge us to consider and reconsider our personal ideas on things, to

RE: [ZION] The Descent of Man

2003-11-13 Thread Stacy Smith
I guess I often thought about the differences between the account of the creation in the Book of Moses and the Book of Abraham. I think the one in Abraham is far more detailed. Stacy. At 09:44 AM 11/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: Gary: Interesting speculation and observations. I have long

RE: [ZION] Mother Teresa

2003-11-13 Thread Stacy Smith
The two most Christlike individuals I can say that I knew intimately, ah, one is dead and the other one I lost contact with. They were the first to fellowship me in my ward. Stacy. At 04:07 PM 11/12/2003 -0900, you wrote: I grew up outside the Church and met a number of good, honorable, even

RE: [ZION] The Descent of Man

2003-11-13 Thread Stacy Smith
Semantics, semantics. Better is probably not appropriate, just more detailed and less detailed. Stacy. At 12:31 PM 11/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: Actually, I erred. Moses is good, Abraham is better. -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

RE: [ZION] President Benson As Icon of The Right (Was: Punch their...)

2003-11-13 Thread Stacy Smith
zI confess I'm worried on these accounts. Stacy. At 12:56 PM 11/13/2003 -0700, you wrote: At 09:56 AM 11/13/2003, RBS (Or is that just plain BS grin) wrote: Because you write well, Steven, I assume you're a reasonably bright guy. But, when I read you web site practically the only prophet you

Re: [ZION] Friendly Soft-spoken Neighborly, and Understanding (was Punch Their

2003-11-12 Thread Stacy Smith
I haven't yet figured out how to do this. Perhaps that is why the Lord hasn't called me to be a missionary even though I am a convert and feel I would be able to fellowship someone who was trying to convert from another church. Stacy. At 12:51 AM 11/03/2003 +, you wrote: President

Re: [ZION] Israelites in Egypt

2003-11-12 Thread Stacy Smith
I would like to know more about this and to confirm exactly what the Hebrews had to do in their slavery and how they left by other sources. Stacy. At 06:43 PM 11/02/2003 -0500, you wrote: Gerald Smith wrote: There's an article in the Sep/Oct 2003 Biblical Archaeological Review (BAR) magazine

Re: [ZION] Catholics and Mormons unite

2003-11-12 Thread Stacy Smith
As I recall, there hasn't been any mandate as to what was to be said for early missionaries of the church and I find that interesting in and of itself. It seems to me that they are now supposed to be more guided by the Spirit in what they say and how they say it. That is a good thing. Stacy.

RE: [ZION] Punch Their Lights Out

2003-11-12 Thread Stacy Smith
Whoever said we were supposed to be mainstream? Aren't we supposed to not be conformed to this world? Stacy. At 01:20 PM 10/31/2003 -0700, you wrote: -Original Message- From: Jim Cobabe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 31, 2003 11:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE:

Re: [ZION] THE AMERICAN RELIGION by Harold Bloom

2003-11-12 Thread Stacy Smith
I think that we will grow in power and influence and be a force to be reckoned with but that it will take a few more years. We have to have a very active base, and I don't believe that the majority of the people listed on the rolls are active. Stacy. At 09:00 AM 10/27/2003 -0900, you wrote:

Re: [ZION] Conversion

2003-11-12 Thread Stacy Smith
I have had problems with my own family also. Stacy. At 02:51 PM 10/26/2003 -0900, you wrote: Jim Cobabe wrote: I am continually wounded by discussions that use family metaphors regarding church fellowship. Over the past decade my family ties have been tested, both bonds with literal

Re: [ZION] Conversion

2003-11-12 Thread Stacy Smith
Social club? That was farthest from my mind while I was converting. In fact, my old church had doughnuts during the Sunday school hour and people who just sat around talking. Yes, it had degenerated into that. I was looking for something much more and I found it. Stacy. At 11:17 PM

Re: [ZION] strengthening new converts

2003-11-12 Thread Stacy Smith
At 09:14 AM 10/24/2003 -0400, you wrote: This is an autoresponder. I'll never see your message. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

Re: [ZION] Sons of Perdition

2003-11-12 Thread Stacy Smith
I think this is a relevant point. Those who see Christ come to govern during the millenial reign will have enough knowledge in all probability. Stacy. At 10:21 AM 11/12/2003 -0900, you wrote: Gerald Smith wrote: But the longlasting Outer Darkness made for Sons of Perdition is a place which

RE: [ZION] Mother Teresa

2003-11-12 Thread Stacy Smith
The people of the earth often get messages from the Holy Ghost; they just don't always have Him with them. Neither do we if we're not living right. Stacy. At 04:30 PM 11/12/2003 -0700, you wrote: The truth is, Ron, I don't know that much about Mother Theresa. There are a lot of good

Re: [ZION] Elder Nelson on Unconditional Love

2003-11-11 Thread Stacy Smith
He could have been enlightened on that at the later date. Stacy. At 05:14 PM 11/04/2003 -0900, you wrote: Apparently Elder Nelson himself has spoken of God's unconditional love in General Conference. Heh, heh. I wonder if he was aware of that when he wrote his article for the February 2003

Re: [ZION] Sons of perdition

2003-11-11 Thread Stacy Smith
This I have read, but what about the broad way which we are told will be followed by many? Stacy. At 03:52 PM 11/08/2003 -0500, you wrote: I have some quotes here, which will show that one must do more than receive the Holy Ghost and reject it to become a candidate for perdition. You will see

RE: [ZION] How to Become a Gospel Scholar

2003-11-11 Thread Stacy Smith
I would sincerely like to do this but I fear the time is too short for it. Stacy. At 05:10 AM 11/11/2003 +, you wrote: Here's a paper addressing that topic from John Welch. He is not a general authority, but is certainly a gospel scholar with few peers.

Re: [ZION] Signs Yet to Come

2003-11-11 Thread Stacy Smith
Very convincing. I'm sure that if there was a physical mark everyone would be able to see it and try to stay clear of it. But it is interesting that men have given up on the cause for food. What about Esau and others like him? Stacy. At 07:36 AM 11/11/2003 -0700, you wrote: At 07:11 PM

Re: [ZION] blood red moon

2003-11-11 Thread Stacy Smith
The Seventh-day Adventists with whom I also used to belong considered these events to already have been fulfilled. I don't know. Stacy. At 08:10 AM 11/07/2003 -0600, you wrote: Hello all... I read a bit on cnn.com this morning about the upcoming lunar eclipse this weekend and how the moon

RE: [ZION] Catholics Mormons unite

2003-11-11 Thread Stacy Smith
My churches always taught no sexual union before marriage and no extramarital affairs either. It's what they didn't teach about the other doctrines I've come to appreciate. Stacy. At 06:12 PM 11/06/2003 -0900, you wrote: Jim Cobabe wrote: John W. Redelfs wrote: --- How can we teach 1) that

Re: [ZION] Catholics Mormons unite

2003-11-11 Thread Stacy Smith
I'll have to remember this one. The fact is that some people are confused and do not feel they are being totally taught correctly on this point. I have a friend who took the missionary discussions and decided not to join. Because missionaries are taught not to put down any other churches

Re: [ZION] Introduction

2003-11-11 Thread Stacy Smith
I love the man and think he is the closest to Jesus Christ that I have ever seen. Stacy. At 10:34 PM 11/03/2003 -0500, you wrote: Friends: Like me, some of you may suffer from increasingly short-term memory loss and others here don't know me at all. So an introduction. Perhaps the best

Re: [ZION] A Question for George

2003-11-09 Thread Stacy Smith
I fully agree. I'm sure everyone tries to avoid it but it happens nevertheless. Stacy. At 07:21 AM 11/05/2003 -0700, you wrote: Why would you bring up specifically this book? All of the sunday school manuals are correlated, therefore all could pass the same test you offer - could they not? As

Re: [ZION] Is God's Love Unconditional?

2003-11-09 Thread Stacy Smith
This I find to be true and it makes sense when we consider that even in the early church they would be able to excommunicate members for offenses. Finally, there is the clear reference to Esau as being hated by God. Even if this means loved less, isn't that conditional? I forget the

Re: [ZION] A Question for George

2003-11-09 Thread Stacy Smith
As a convert I was taken aback by Gospel Principles and felt I had been dropped into an alien world. Were it not for the people fellowshipping me I probably would have left. Stacy. At 06:09 PM 11/04/2003 -0900, you wrote: The book GOSPEL PRINCIPLES is the correlated manual for the Gospel

Re: [ZION] Whom God hateth

2003-11-09 Thread Stacy Smith
Maybe it got lost in the translation. Stacy. At 03:15 AM 11/05/2003 +, you wrote: -JWR- I went looking for some scriptural evidence that God ever hates any of his children, and my cursory survey did not turn up anything. Am I missing something? Surely God hates wickedness, but does he

Re: [ZION] Catholics Mormons unite

2003-11-06 Thread Stacy Smith
I understand all of the above, however, I go back to Joseph Smith in which he was commanded to join none of them. Helping them on some project may appear to be wonderful, but doesn't it suggest to some who have gotten mixed signals that we no longer hold the doctrine of the restoration of the

Re: [ZION] Loving Mormon Bashers

2003-11-06 Thread Stacy Smith
Very good policy. Stacy. At 12:07 AM 11/06/2003 -0500, you wrote: Well, John, I would agree with you there. Bashing is not in the Christlike action list of things to do. I am commanded to love the bashers, but I certainly don't have to either like them or tolerate being around them. But I was

Re: [ZION] Elder Nelson and Unconditional Love

2003-11-06 Thread Stacy Smith
It must have been fun during the days when people could actually commune with the apostles and prophet of the church. Even when one could write a letter that must have also been done. Stacy. At 03:34 AM 11/06/2003 +, you wrote: My first assumption about Elder Nelson's article on

Re: [ZION] The Cruelty of False Doctrine

2003-11-06 Thread Stacy Smith
My sentiments exactly! Stacy. At 02:50 PM 11/05/2003 -0900, you wrote: Gerald Smith wrote: Your list is doctrinal. But once one begins scratching the surface of these ideas, we leave the area of doctrine and enter into speculation. For example, 1. There is a God with a body, but was he a

[ZION] More Lists

2003-10-11 Thread Stacy Smith
Hi. I'm finding these days that Zion isn't listing enough traffic. I'd like to see a list that generates about 20 or 30 more messages. Where can I find such a list? Stacy. -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

RE: [ZION] Forgiveness of Serious Sins by Individual Members

2003-10-10 Thread Stacy Smith
[Original Message] From: Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/10/2003 12:50:06 AM Subject: [ZION] Forgiveness of Serious Sins by Individual Members Is it all right to make forgiveness of serious sins conditional? For example, I'll forgive you if you are willing

[ZION] Forgiveness of Serious Sins by Individual Members

2003-10-09 Thread Stacy Smith
Is it all right to make forgiveness of serious sins conditional? For example, I'll forgive you if you are willing to join this church. Stacy. -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST

[ZION] Thoughts On Diet

2003-10-02 Thread Stacy Smith
You know, the more I think about it, I didn't quite experiment that way before. I had only protein for two meals and carbs for a third meal. But what is being proposed would be very hard to live with but I guess I'd have to find a tasty way. I don't remember God opposing bread and such,

Re: [ZION] Thoughts On Diet

2003-10-02 Thread Stacy Smith
ice cream fans so switched to Blue Bunny with a little fresh fruit instead of all the sauces. Judy makes the best pies in the world so it is a big sacrifice in that regard, but our tastes have changed dramatically and we find it easy to just say no and have a fresh apple instead. Stacy Smith

Re: [ZION] Items for Diabetics (was: Thought for the day)

2003-10-01 Thread Stacy Smith
! Heidi [Original Message] From: Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 9/30/2003 12:00:33 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] Thought for the day I want to know more about how to get more diabetic products because I can't find them in my local supermarket. Stacy. At 03:01 PM 09/30

Re: [ZION] For Stacy other diabetics (wuz: Thought for the day

2003-10-01 Thread Stacy Smith
by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible. On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:01:07 -0500 Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I want to know more about how to get more diabetic products because I can't find them in my local supermarket. Stacy

Re: [ZION] For Stacy other diabetics

2003-10-01 Thread Stacy Smith
the impossible. On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:01:07 -0500 Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I want to know more about how to get more diabetic products because I can't find them in my local supermarket. Stacy. The best thing to hit

Re: [ZION] Thought for the day

2003-09-30 Thread Stacy Smith
I want to know more about how to get more diabetic products because I can't find them in my local supermarket. Stacy. At 03:01 PM 09/30/2003 +, you wrote: That IS a nice thought (even for a diabetic). And, nope, I didn't get that post. And it is strange how far off-topic we got. Who

[ZION] What's Happening?

2003-09-29 Thread Stacy Smith
Hey out there. I'm missing all the mail or there is none. Stacy. -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html

Re: [ZION] error?

2003-09-28 Thread Stacy Smith
incidents. Also remind people that the law of capital punishment is in effect in some states still and was definitely countenanced by God in the Bible. Stacy. At 08:51 AM 09/28/2003 -0500, you wrote: On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 06:36:22 -0500 Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I thought you were

[ZION] Are The Archives Available for the General Relief Society Meeting Yet?

2003-09-28 Thread Stacy Smith
When I tried to listen to the meeting I got an error message. Yet the tester worked fine on my machine. Stacy. -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at ///

Re: [ZION] error?

2003-09-28 Thread Stacy Smith
Smith was translating from that, right? But this may indeed stir up anti-Mormon sentiment. Stacy. At 08:51 AM 09/28/2003 -0500, you wrote: On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 06:36:22 -0500 Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I thought you were an apologist. Stacy. Yes, in a manner of speaking. I do

[ZION] Congratulations, John and Another Note About Mail

2003-09-27 Thread Stacy Smith
Congratulations, John. Now I wish to address this continuing problem with email regarding Topica. We've had it on other lists to which I was a member for a short time. It always showed up with people who were using Juno in that case instead of Outlook, Outlook Express or Eudora with an ISP

[ZION] Trouble with Topica

2003-09-27 Thread Stacy Smith
had my MSN account and my MStar account. *jeep! ~~Chet If ya thinks ya is right, ya deserfs credit - even if ya is wrong. Gus Segar via Popeye -- Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations, John. Now I wish to address this continuing problem with email regarding Topica. We've had

Re: [ZION] error?

2003-09-27 Thread Stacy Smith
This is very interesting. It implies that God doesn't always correct error for his purposes. Stacy. At 08:26 PM 09/27/2003 -0500, you wrote: How does the lonely Mormon apologist, Paul Osborne, square with the fact (based on evidence) that the prophet Joseph Smith incorrectly thought the

Re: [ZION] error?

2003-09-27 Thread Stacy Smith
I don't remember. Are you on FAIR or affiliated with them? Stacy. At 09:21 PM 09/27/2003 -0500, you wrote: On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:16:56 -0500 Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is very interesting. It implies that God doesn't always correct error for his purposes. Stacy

Re: [ZION] error?

2003-09-27 Thread Stacy Smith
? Maybe they have been in THEY LIE IN WAIT TO DECEIVE but I haven't been able to read those books, which I think is a travesty, because I may never learn what is in those books. Help me out here, please. Stacy. At 09:55 PM 09/27/2003 -0500, you wrote: On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:47:14 -0500 Stacy

Re: [ZION] error?

2003-09-27 Thread Stacy Smith
:25:24 -0500 Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, can you answer me another question which I am very curious about? I have not read either of the Godmaker books. I'm careful not to read to much antiMormon material because it is depressing and does not edify at all. What specifically are you

Re: [ZION] Thought for the day

2003-09-22 Thread Stacy Smith
Not for a diabetic. Stacy. At 10:11 PM 09/21/2003 -0400, you wrote: Thought for the Day: A nice box of chocolate can provide your entire daily intake of calories in one place. Isn't that handy? Jon // /// ZION LIST

Re: [ZION] Thought for the day

2003-09-22 Thread Stacy Smith
Where does one get it? Are these candies? Stacy. At 04:38 PM 09/22/2003 -0400, you wrote: Stacy Smith wrote: No, what is it? (sucralose) Sucralose is the trade name for the stereoisomer of normal sucrose (table sugar). It tastes the same as regular sugar, but is not processed by the body

[ZION] Steven E. Robinson: Is This A Forbidden Topic?

2003-09-22 Thread Stacy Smith
Hi. I see that my question about the books has tactfully been avoided. Is this author off limits to Zion? Stacy. -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at

Re: [ZION] working woman

2003-09-21 Thread Stacy Smith
] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 12:55 PM Subject: RE: [ZION] working woman Stacy Smith wrote: I wish I could work at all. The Department of Rehabilitation in this county has evaluated me and decided I am unemployable. This is no laughing matter for me and has caused me

Re: [ZION] confiding in bishops

2003-09-20 Thread Stacy Smith
Their desire, in my opinion, is to coach the person seeking help to get personal revelation and help solve their own problems. At times they have referred people to therapists. Stacy. At 10:28 PM 09/19/2003 -0400, you wrote: Jim Cobabe wrote: Counsel with the bishop is a standard answer.

RE: [ZION] working woman

2003-09-20 Thread Stacy Smith
I wish I could work at all. The Department of Rehabilitation in this county has evaluated me and decided I am unemployable. This is no laughing matter for me and has caused me much depression. Seeing I have no children, employment outside the home should not have been a problem for me.

[ZION] Steven E. Robinson and Salvation and Calling and Election Again

2003-09-20 Thread Stacy Smith
Hi. I'd like to hear from those who have read the books Believing Christ and Following Christ. I'd like to know from those people how they explain his current position with the ceremony of calling and election made sure. According to him, if we are doing the best we can with also repentance

RE: [ZION] working woman

2003-09-20 Thread Stacy Smith
wrote: Stacy Smith wrote: --- Not exactly. Sometimes it can be very uncomfortable to follow prophetic counsel and sometimes circumstantial change does not warrant a change. If there is any difficulty in this, as there has been with me and the fast, one counsels with the bishop. --- Not sure I

RE: [ZION] working woman

2003-09-20 Thread Stacy Smith
That's not true of me. I loved medical transcription but did not have the necessary speed required and the references I was able to get became out of date soon. I loved it and I could learn to love something else. Stacy. At 08:55 AM 09/20/2003 -0800, you wrote: Stacy Smith wrote: I wish I

RE: [ZION] working woman

2003-09-19 Thread Stacy Smith
The line must be decided individual case by individual case between the person and the bishop, I'm sure. Stacy. At 02:12 PM 09/19/2003 +, you wrote: With regard to applying prophetic counsel, where is the line between personal prerogative and inspiration, and personal apostasy? 2 Sam

RE: [ZION] working woman

2003-09-19 Thread Stacy Smith
Not exactly. Sometimes it can be very uncomfortable to follow prophetic counsel and sometimes circumstantial change does not warrant a change. If there is any difficulty in this, as there has been with me and the fast, one counsels with the bishop. Stacy. At 01:35 PM 09/19/2003 +, you

RE: [ZION] working woman

2003-09-14 Thread Stacy Smith
I fought the Amendment myself even though I wasn't a church member yet and would not become a member for another twenty-some years. Stacy. At 09:04 PM 09/14/2003 -0400, you wrote: And why are they working? To get that second car, or the boat or the bigger house??? I am reminded of what the

RE: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-14 Thread Stacy Smith
. The only thing I can say for them is that they have learned to relax. Stacy. At 02:11 PM 09/14/2003 +, you wrote: Stacy Smith wrote: --- The implications are that people from the far East are better? --- I implied no such thing, but since you asked, perhaps you could please instruct us

RE: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-14 Thread Stacy Smith
P.S.: Sorry about that. I forgot about the list charter. Maybe mentioning that these guys merely exist is a violation. Stacy. At 02:11 PM 09/14/2003 +, you wrote: Stacy Smith wrote: --- The implications are that people from the far East are better? --- I implied no such thing

Re: [ZION] Concealed Carry

2003-09-11 Thread Stacy Smith
It would indeed be a disaster of unjudgable and far-reaching implications. Stacy. At 09:30 PM 09/10/2003 -0400, you wrote: I'm sorry, but I can't tell if you are hopeful or not. I will assume that you are not. Jon - Original Message - From: Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL

RE: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-11 Thread Stacy Smith
The implications are that people from the far East are better? Stacy. At 02:06 AM 09/11/2003 +, you wrote: I wish I could understand why the contemporary western view is that our women are so transcendingly enlightened. Nothing could be further from the truth. Most contemporary western

Re: [ZION] Concealed Carry

2003-09-11 Thread Stacy Smith
This is obviously after the fact, something which I wish to prevent. Stacy. At 09:04 AM 09/10/2003 -0800, you wrote: Stacy Smith wrote: Hey, does this right to bear arms extend to someone who uses alcohol to excess and might decide to kill my parents? It does not extend to someone who actually

Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-10 Thread Stacy Smith
Well, I am, for one, angry that it seems a woman could never leave home until she was married. This Biblical state of affairs caused a lot of conflict in my own life and made me bitter. Even when society said I could leave home I tried several times and always ended up with a nervous

Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms

2003-09-10 Thread Stacy Smith
How utterly repugnant! Moldy bread representing the body of Christ! Stacy. At 10:56 PM 09/09/2003 -0400, you wrote: Did the revelation allow the use of moldy bread as our Teachers tried to do once when they wanted to use some bread left in the container we use to bring the Sacrament trays back

Re: [ZION] Concealed Carry

2003-09-10 Thread Stacy Smith
Hey, does this right to bear arms extend to someone who uses alcohol to excess and might decide to kill my parents? Stacy. At 06:20 PM 09/09/2003 -0800, you wrote: I am so proud to be an Alaskan. Tonight on the local news I learned that the governor signed a law that went into effect today

Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-08 Thread Stacy Smith
More to the point, those Scriptures in and of themselves speak nothing about those who have repented of fornication being all right to be fellowshipped. Why not? Stacy. At 11:21 PM 09/07/2003 -0800, you wrote: I am fascinated by Church members disagreeing with the scriptures. This morning

Re: [ZION] When Balance Is Missing

2003-09-08 Thread Stacy Smith
Don't feel bad. I also feel the same way about many things. Is that why I have equilibrium problems? Lol. Stacy. At 10:56 PM 09/07/2003 -0800, you wrote: I am occasionally accused of emphasizing the negative, and I plead guilty. When the truth demands a balance of emphasis between the

[ZION] Where Suicides Go

2003-09-08 Thread Stacy Smith
I am now positive that if one kills himself he will end up as a telestial being. Am I right on this point? Stacy. -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at

[ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms in o

2003-09-08 Thread Stacy Smith
I may be a dunce on this one, but where is the true symbolism of Jesus' lifeblood being crushed out of him and him being bruised for our iniquities with the current use of water in our Sacrament? With grape juice we'd have the proper symbolism, but I fail to see the proper symbolism

Re: [ZION] Where Suicides Go

2003-09-08 Thread Stacy Smith
Okay, please provide references or explain. Stacy. At 08:37 AM 09/08/2003 -0500, you wrote: At 04:41 AM 9/8/03 -0500, Stacy Smith wrote: I am now positive that if one kills himself he will end up as a telestial being. Am I right on this point? Absolutely not according to the CHI or to what

Re: [ZION] Where Suicides Go

2003-09-08 Thread Stacy Smith
released from that calling went into a depressive period which ended when he took his life. The Apostles, yes plural, which spoke at his funeral make it clear that you should not judge him unwisely or harshly. I would take their advice on this matter. George - Original Message - From: Stacy

Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-08 Thread Stacy Smith
Are you suggesting that not all of Paul's guidance should be taken as from the Lord on these matters? Stacy. At 07:34 AM 09/08/2003 -0700, you wrote: At 11:21 PM 9/7/2003 -0800, The BLT wrote: . . . in the Church we shouldn't associate with unrepentant fornicators. Was Paul a self-righteous

Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-08 Thread Stacy Smith
Good point. When Jesus was associating with these people they were definitely outsiders. The general complaint was that he was associating with the lowest class of people. Stacy. At 08:25 AM 09/08/2003 -0800, you wrote: Rick Mathis wrote: What did Jesus do? Did he refuse to associate with

Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms

2003-09-08 Thread Stacy Smith
: Monday, September 08, 2003 2:20 PM Subject: RE: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms Stacy Smith: I may be a dunce on this one, but where is the true symbolism of Jesus' lifeblood being crushed out of him and him being bruised for our iniquities

RE: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms

2003-09-08 Thread Stacy Smith
Of course, these were extreme times when our enemies could really do things to us. Stacy. At 08:20 PM 09/08/2003 +, you wrote: Stacy Smith: I may be a dunce on this one, but where is the true symbolism of Jesus' lifeblood being crushed out of him and him being bruised for our iniquities

Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-08 Thread Stacy Smith
I can very well understand tests of belief in local priesthood leaders. Saying that, I'm still careful to realize these people are human. I think a higher authority should be called on now such as a seventy to straighten this out if the locals won't do anything. Stacy. At 04:20 PM

Re: [ZION] Where Suicides Go

2003-09-08 Thread Stacy Smith
Is that better than clicking a mouse? Lol. Stacy. At 07:10 PM 09/08/2003 -0500, you wrote: On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 04:41:45 -0500 Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am now positive that if one kills himself he will end up as a telestial being. Am I right on this point? Stacy

Re: [ZION] Help needed for a quotation

2003-09-08 Thread Stacy Smith
It's already happening. Stacy. At 06:16 PM 09/08/2003 -0600, you wrote: Help. I'm in need of a quote. It's a quote from General Conference which says (paraphrased) that in the coming years there will be greater and greater division of the righteous from the wicked. That the righteous will

RE: [ZION] [MT] Re: Sinning Against the Light

2003-09-08 Thread Stacy Smith
See answer below. At 09:26 PM 09/08/2003 -0500, you wrote: At 04:52 PM 9/8/03 -0800, John W. Redelfs wrote: maddogpierre wrote: What do you recommend John, hanging at noon? God will deal with them, on occasion involving the Bishop and Stake President. Correct. He will. But the point I was

Re: [ZION] Breaking Promises

2003-09-07 Thread Stacy Smith
I haven't willfully tried to break promises to God. My bishop knows this. Stacy. At 09:46 AM 09/04/2003 -0800, you wrote: The way I use the language, all Mormons are baptized members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. And every baptized member of this Church has made two

Re: [ZION] The Stupidity of Other People

2003-09-04 Thread Stacy Smith
Life is indeed suffering, and I don't agree that we just put up with absolutely everything we are handed. I mean, of course, people's attitudes. I'm not insisting God do something about my physical infirmity. Stacy. At 07:28 PM 09/02/2003 -0500, you wrote: I don't know the answer, John. I'm

RE: [ZION] [LDSD] The Stupidity of Other People

2003-09-04 Thread Stacy Smith
What you often don't consider is the love and affection we can have for such nonmembers. You also don't consider the drive for some of these nonmembers later to become baptized. You also don't consider the example of others who have done so and their marriages finally wind up in the temple.

Re: [ZION] freedom versus free agency

2003-09-02 Thread Stacy Smith
I'm forty-five. Stacy. At 08:19 PM 09/01/2003 -0400, you wrote: Stacy Smith wrote: Who is really free? I don't consider myself free. Freedom has become a silly joke in my case. Everyone always wants to know where I'm going, when I'll be back, even what I eat

Re: [ZION] freedom versus free agency

2003-09-01 Thread Stacy Smith
Who is really free? I don't consider myself free. Freedom has become a silly joke in my case. Everyone always wants to know where I'm going, when I'll be back, even what I eat. Stacy. At 09:31 AM 09/01/2003 -0600, you wrote: Although I concur with your comments I find the use of the term

Re: [ZION] The Atonement and False Doctrine?

2003-08-26 Thread Stacy Smith
That all can be easily explained by bearing the sins of everyone and the planets' sympathy for what was going on. I had an interesting experience while reading all of this. Shockingly, it seems I had a crazy memory of one day as a spirit being hurled around for no reason I could fathom at the

[ZION] The Atonement and False Doctrine?

2003-08-25 Thread Stacy Smith
Hi. I'm reading some books on the atonement of Jesus Christ. There has been a general expression in at least one of the books I am reading (all by LDS authors but not all authorities) that Jesus Christ took upon Himself more than the sins of all the people in all of the infinite worlds which

RE: [ZION] The Atonement and False Doctrine?

2003-08-25 Thread Stacy Smith
This doesn't quite answer the question, although it may seem to answer it. Some have implied that Jesus took on the experience of every single man, woman and child. Stacy. At 09:00 PM 08/24/2003 -0400, you wrote: Here is a quote from Alma, chapter 7, that may help: 10 And behold, he shall

Re: [ZION] The Atonement and False Doctrine?

2003-08-25 Thread Stacy Smith
I see nothing to indicate anything but human sins borne out of this. Stacy. At 09:32 PM 08/24/2003 -0600, you wrote: In my opinion, the best answer to your question is provided by President John Taylor. In 1882, President John Taylor (written while he was President of the Church) wrote a book

Re: [ZION] Regarding Celebrations of Birthdays

2003-08-25 Thread Stacy Smith
No, I'm not sure about that. For one thing, they weren't the ones who started it. The Apostasy grew and they were one of its offshoots. Stacy. At 05:01 PM 08/25/2003 -0500, you wrote: You made me smile, Paul. When I read your comment, my mind raced to Mormon Doctrine 20+ years ago, when

Re: [ZION] Regarding Celebrations of Birthdays

2003-08-24 Thread Stacy Smith
How stupid? I'm not sure of your point. Stacy. At 03:38 PM 08/23/2003 -0500, you wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:52:13 -0500 Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi. This is something I wasn't taught by the missionaries. I guess they didn't feel it was necessary to mention it. I'm

[ZION] Regarding Celebrations of Birthdays

2003-08-23 Thread Stacy Smith
Hi. This is something I wasn't taught by the missionaries. I guess they didn't feel it was necessary to mention it. I'm curious why the Jehovah's Witnesses do not celebrate birthdays but we feel it is okay. Apparently they claim they have a Biblical reason not to do so. Yet we celebrate

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