[CTRL] Mary Schiavo on 911
-Caveat Lector- On the morning of the attacks, just 3 minutes before the Pentagon was struck, Mary Schiavo began a telephone interview with MSNBC's correspondent Gregg Jarrett. She was introduced as former Inspector General of the FAA, which Jarrett then corrected to be NTSB, but which was actually DOT. At any rate, he introduced her also as an MSNBC aviation analyst, and asked her what her thoughts were about what was unfolding in New York. She expressed extreme outrage by what had happened in New York, explaining that aviation safety experts had relied on FBI risk and threat assessments to construct their approaches to aviation safety, and that the FBI had consistently declared that the risk of domestially-staged acts of aviation terrorism was very low. Ms. Schiavo went on to say, And for that reason we did not put the resources in to the kinds of security measures were are really capable of doing in our aviation. And this proves that over the past several years that was a very complacent attitude and it was WRONG. And this is literally going to change everything about how we do aviation. Less than two minutes later, referring to what had occurred in New York, Schiavo said, ... and this is SO outrageous particularly if the reports of a warning are true. It would be helpful (!) to know what she'd heard about warnings, and her remark adds to the growing body of information indicating that many were forewarned that something was going to happen. She continued, This has absolutely shades of the Pan Am 103 tragedy where there were warnings - many people discounted them - but at least the Embassy personnel got warnings for that one. The conversation was abruptly cut off as Jarrett switched over to Jim Miklaszewski at the Pentagon who was reporting that an explosion had just occurred there. This former Inspector General of the DOT wrote a book Flying Blind, Flying Safe in 1997. An excerpt from the publisher's comments: http://www.planesafe.org/books/flyingblind.shtml Mary Schiavo, the former inspector General of the US Department of Transportation, has written a scathing expose of the fraud, corruption, waste, mismanagement, and dangerous negligence that runs rampant throughout the aviation industry and its ineffectual policing organization, the FAA. -- In a speech before the National Air Disaster Alliance and Foundation (which was originally given on September 29, 2001 and then revised and updated to include commentary on aviation laws changed in November, 2001), she says, http://www.planesafe.org/safety/2001schiavospeech.htm excerpt But then, Osama Bin Laden has previously resorted to this method as well. He planned to bring down 12 U.S. airliners within 48 hours over the Pacific in 1995. He did a test run on a Philippine jetliner in 1994, and killed a passenger and injured several others, but the plane managed to land. He would have to try something different the next time around. He did, but he followed the example of several previous terrorist attacks. Documents seized in that investigation revealed they intended to crash a plane into the CIA building near Washington, D.C. --- Say again? Documents seized in that investigation revealed they intended to crash a plane into the CIA building near Washington, D.C. She goes on to say, In the events of September 11, while astonishing in the numbers of casualties and the enormity of the devastation, neither the modus operandi of the terrorists, nor crashing planes into buildings, were new. In fact, these types of hijackings and the crashing of planes into buildings, had been planned but thwarted on several previous occasions. Her speech - revised, updated and posted on December 7, 2001, is fact-filled and fascinating, and punches broad holes in the lame excuses given by the administration and other agencies who job it is to foresee such disasters and to devise plans to prevent them. Laura A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A
[CTRL] Scrambling jets issue raised several times before Pentagon hit
-Caveat Lector- Twenty minutes elapsed from the time I started taping news coverage on the morning of Sept. 11th to when the Pentagon was hit. Re-viewing the tape for the first time in April, I was struck by how many times the issue of not-scrambling-jets was raised. Recently I took notes on the coverage. No fewer than four correspondents (NBC then MSNBC) addressed this issue, while a fifth chimed in in agreement - all before the Pentagon was hit. At 9:19 AM taping began. Jim Miklaszewski, reporting from the Pentagon, was in the middle of discussing this issue, and I caught the tail end of a sentence, the scrambling of any military jets. If National Guard were to be scrambled in that area, that would be on order of the governor. He explained that if jets were scrambled, there would be an issue of misidentifying a pilot's intentions and then said, But so far the US military and Pentagon officials are scrambling to get as much information as they possibly can to determine what course of action, if any, the US military would take. Well, at least they were scrambling for information... Katie Couric interrupted with the only intelligent comment I heard in that 20-minute span, But Mick they ARE describing this as a terrorist attack right now Jim's response was that yes, according to very preliminary information, some officials in the Pentagon were calling it an obvious terrorist attack, and that the video of the WTC towers was a clear indication that it was not an accident. Matt Lauer took the reigns and cut over to Bob Kerr, who was reporting from the White House. Kerr followed-up on what Jim Miklaszewski had been saying. Of course the President has the authority to scramble military forces and this is a case, obviously, in which retaliation, if indeed it proves to be a terrorist incident, will be contemplated. He added that the usual course of events is for there to be an investigation, unless someone steps forward and claims responsibility. Katie then cuts back to Jim Miklaszewski who says that their primary concern is to prevent the public in the NY area from further attacks by air, and, According to intelligence officials, there were no firm indications prior to this that anything LIKE this could have happened. Jim goes on to say, But in terms of scrambling the US military, it would be for protection for the time being, and not necessarily even THINKING right now about any kind of retaliation. At 9:23 AM, Katie asks Jim if he can explain what is in place in the event of an attack like this. Jim responds that it is very difficult for the military to respond to situations like this because they don't know who is behind it, and because they are unclear if there are any other potential attacks like this one. (This begs the questions, of course, if they are unclear if more attacks are on the way, what is the possible excuse for not scrambling jets? It seems that Jim was being fed some very confusion information.) Another excuse, apparently fed to Jim, was that these were open air spaces, and that would somehow preclude the military from scrambling jets. He continues, ... and it's difficult for the US military to simply scramble jets, and put them in the air, and then, according to officials here, 'And then do WHAT?' He does then say, and mind you, he is at the Pentagon, THIS area, of course, according to officials here, is obviously going to be declared off-limits in terms of any air traffic. He said that between 9:24 AM and 9:25 AM. The Pentagon wasn't hit until 9:39 AM. Matt Lauer then gives his perspective, saying that if planes were hijacked and carrying passengers, there really wasn't much the military could have done. He says the military can't shoot down a plane like that, and makes note of the risk to the people on the ground in a place like Manhattan if that were to be done. Jim agrees with him. I switched channels from NBC to MSNBC in time to hear Andrea Mitchell reporting that a top US official told her that they have early reports that at least one of the planes had been a hijacked American Airlines plane en route from Boston to Los Angeles. She added, This same official says that there was no terror alert other than the usual world-wide caution. They had no warnings on Bin Laden or other types of terror alerts coming into our intelligence community. We now know this is not true, of course. Lester Holt asks her what the game plan is in a situation like this. Her response is that this is something the FBI would immediately respond to. She then goes on to describe the emergency response center created by Guliani at great expense. Lester Holt later remarks, And one of the things we should point out is that America is virtually DEFENSELESS to a maverick or a hijacked airplane. He says that we primarily have Air National Guard protecting the coasts, but that they are not geared up for an attack from within the United States.
Re: [CTRL] Fight against the reinstatement of the Draft!
-Caveat Lector- For all our so-called fine noble God-Inspired wars, you'll notice that we are less free than ever before. The cherished Constitution is ripped to shreds. If you want your relatives risking their lives for a Fascist Corporate State then that's fine. Lay your righteous indignation and simplistic hot-button phraseology on THEM. If conspiracy theories offend you, I suggest you're in the wrong place. In a message dated 5/28/02 10:51:13 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: People who have yellow streaks running up their backs, as wide as highway stripes, should refrain from quoting our Founding Fathers. Why should my son or any parent's son or daughter answer their country's call and perhaps lose their lives while you sit on your sorry ass, conjuring up wild conspiracy theories for everything under the sun ?? So, pick up a rifle, mount the wall and stand the watch like the rest of us have done...maybe you'll get to experience a little quot;virtual realityquot;.like a 5.56mm projectile @ 3200 fps. Before you leave, visit a National Cemetery and ask those who repose there, if they will allow you to be placed in their honored midst, should fate require it. Is there anything you would fight for ? I'll guarantee you one thing.there won't be anymore trotting off to Canada and waiting for some bleeding heart to give you amnesty, after 58,174 sons and daughters have died in your worthless stead. You can take that to the bank, pal !!! JAO A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Democrats.com Daily News for May 26, 2002
fwd excerpt Yikes! One We Almost Missed! Operation Northwoods 2002? US Soldier Arrested for Attempted Bombing of Florida Power Plant! ---BeginMessage--- ___DEMOCRATS.COMThe Aggressive Progressives__ Democrats.com is the largest independent community of Democrats. We publish the only Democratic daily news service - and it's free! Our members make it possible through generous contributions. Please help by clicking below! http://democrats.com/donate ___.COMPOSITION__In This Issue___ Tipper Gore is Proud Al Won 'the Majority of Votes' 300 Protesters Greet Rehnquist in his Home Town Justice Dept. Lawsuits in Florida Don't 'Pass the Smell Test' Justice Dept. Investigation Screws Florida's African-American Voters One More Time Global Idiot Bush Asks Brazilian President, 'Do You Have Blacks Too?' Angolagate: Allegations about Bush's and Cheney's Part in Arms-for-Oil Scandal Nearly Half of Americans Blame Bush for Inaction Before 911 On 911, Bush Went AWOL from the Air National Guard for the SECOND Time FBI Informant Warned the FBI about Hani Hanjour Three Years Ago FBI Headquarters Falsified the Moussaoui Field Report To Block Requests for Warrants Senators Demand Answers from David Frasca, the Head of the FBI's 'Radical Fundamentalist Unit' SMOKING GUN PART 3: John O'Neill: Was He a Casualty of the Bush Administration? Did the FBI Search Boston's Copley Plaza Hotel on September 10? Yikes! One We Almost Missed! Operation Northwoods 2002? US Soldier Arrested for Attempted Bombing of Florida Power Plant! Why is the FBI Dragging Its Heels on the Anthrax Investigation? The Saudis Sign a $3.8 Million PR Contract to Influence You! How Republicans Destroyed the 4th Amendment and Created Big Brother The Plot Thickens: Enron and Global Crossing Linked in Crooked Deal Eric Alterman Joins the Blogging Class __Tipper Gore is Proud Al Won 'the Majority of Votes' Paula Zahn asked stupid and hostile questions (what did she mean that it's time for us all to grow up?), but Tipper Gore was great, especially on election 2000. I think that [Al] ran a terrific campaign, and I think most people don't probably give credit to the hundreds and hundreds of people who worked in states all over this nation in order to elect him, because he was the voice, the spokesperson for their point of view. And I am so proud of the way he ended the stalemate. I'm so proud of the way that he conceded and let the country go on and become healed and whole. And I'm so proud of the fact that he won the majority of votes in this country, because that says to me that everything that he talked about -- you know, civil rights and women's rights and inclusion and caring about the environment -- all of those things are the kinds of things that most of the American people cared about. And that's the direction they wanted to see the country go in. You go, Tipper! http://www.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/conditions/05/24/gore.mental.health.cnna/index.html __300 Protesters Greet Rehnquist in his Home Town About 300 protesters, through posters, T-shirts, chants and interviews, blasted Rehnquist, who they say has used his position on the court to undermine the rights of racial minorities, women and the disabled, among others. One poster declared: 'Rehnquist and the death penalty - both are cruel and unusual.' But for many in the demonstration, the biggest issue was their anger over the Supreme Court's key ruling in the disputed 2000 presidential election. Protesters also demonstrated for the same reasons against Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia when he spoke at Marquette University last year. 'I want the president to be voted in by the people, not by the courts,' said Derl Howe of Milwaukee. 'The people's right to vote has been stolen. He should have said this is not the business of the court.' The school had planned to hold an assembly for all students Friday, but [switched to an] invitation-only gathering - just like invitation-only selection of the President! http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/may02/46057.asp __Justice Dept. Lawsuits in Florida Don't 'Pass the Smell Test' St. Pete Times reports, After an 18-month investigation, nearly 11,000 complaints, discussions with AG Bob Butterworth's office and even a review of the NAACP's complaint logs, the federal government has determined that only certain minority voters were wronged. They were Hispanics in Orange and Osceola counties and Haitians in Miami-Dade. Not a single word from Justice about Katherine Harris' flawed purged voter list [or] the high number of discarded 'overvotes' in areas with high concentrations of black voters, such as Jacksonville... 'It doesn't pass the smell test,' says state Democratic chairman Bob Poe. 'What is their political agenda? To make inroads and score points with non-Cuban Hispanics and Haitians.' Poe said he would contact members of the Senate Judiciary Committee...
[CTRL] thomas.loc.gov down for four days or more so far
-Caveat Lector- I've been following HR 3598 for several weeks, trying to gauge the progress of this mandatory military induction bill. The site has been down for several days. If anyone has an update on the progress of the bill, or knows where to get an update, or knows why thomas.loc.gov is down, please help. Thanks. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c107:h.r.3598: A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Moon's speech embarrasses and humiliates some reporters
-Caveat Lector- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60061-2002May22.html Moon Speech Raises Old Ghosts as the Times Turns 20 By Frank Ahrens Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, May 23, 2002; Page E01 excerpt During the sermon, he set the course for the Times' next 10 years: The Washington Times is responsible to let the American people know about God. Later, he added: The Washington Times will become the instrument in spreading the truth about God to the world. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] China may impose high safety standards for cell phone radiation
-Caveat Lector- (Is it anti-capitalistic to care about safety?) http://www.reuters.co.uk/news_article.jhtml?type=technologynewsStoryID=100485 9 China Cellphone Radiation Law Could Cost Billions 24 May, 2002 05:32 BST excerpt The country is mulling strict standards that would cap handset radiation emissions at half the levels allowed overseas, which the officials said could cost the industry billions of dollars to adjust equipment. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [the_octopus] Whitley Strieber Asks: Is the FBI Penetrated?
fwd Here Whitley Strieber tries to make a case for a terrible few horrible people in the FBI creating a situation where info flow is scrubbed. I just love how the middle guys are scapegoated here, as if the corruption doesn't work from the top down - as if the whole system isn't corrupt. ---BeginMessage--- Whitley Strieber Asks: Is the FBI Penetrated? 25-May-2002 Is the FBI Penetrated? by Whitley Strieber http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=1579 A terrifying and sobering group of news stories has appeared in recent days that suggest that individuals within the FBI had prior knowledge of 9/11 and suppressed it, both for personal gain and, in one case, possibly because of connections to terrorist elements. This is likely to be the worst single scandal in the history of the US government. Hopefully, it will encourage Congress and the Administration to carry out the radical reforms that we need to rehabilitate the dysfunctional family that the FBI has become, and get rid of an apparently large number of truly terrible human beings who have infested this essential element of US government power. Some of these people are merely incompetent. But that isn't the case with all of them. Some of them are traitors. I first became aware of the fact that something was wrong on September 13, when a friend who had been staying at the Copley Plaza Hotel in Boston on the nights of September 10 and 11 told me that the FBI had cleared the hotel on the morning of Monday, September 10, at about four AM, and had searched it. After the disaster, of course, they returned to Copley Plaza in search of bomb making materials. The FBI's presence at the hotel on Monday was never reported, and apparently known only to guests at the hotel. Nevertheless, it means that the FBI almost certainly had, and was acting on, some sort of knowledge connected to the September 11 attack on September 10. At the very least, the FBI agents who were at the Copley Plaza on Monday morning need to be found and called to testify before the joint panel of Congress that is being convened to investigate these matters. Now, a series of news stories, some of them reported in general news columns and others in financial news, suggests that elements of the FBI not only knew about 9/11 in advance, but that the institution as a whole was prevented from acting on what they knew by silence on the part of some agents and manipulation of the proper flow of information to the organization's leadership by others. There were two critical information flows that were interrupted, from Minneapolis and Phoenix, and there is additional evidence that FBI agents were involved in stock profiteering off the disaster in the weeks before it happened. There has been a substantial amount of news coverage of the problems with memos from Minneapolis and Phoenix, and I will discuss those shortly. Before I turn to that issue, however, I would like to address some recent disclosures about stock market manipulations, and some that have gone unnoticed. On Friday, May 24, a federal prosecutor alleged that a San Diego stock adviser who is accused of bribing an FBI agent to give him confidential government information may have had prior knowledge of 9/11. According to assistant United States attorney Kenneth Breen, the adviser, Amr Ibrahim Elgindy, tried to sell $300,000 worth of stock on September 10 and told his broker the market was about to drop. Mr. Eglindy and four other people, including one current and one former FBI agent, were charged on Wednesday with using confidential government information to manipulate stock prices. Mr. Elgindy has recently moved $700,000 to a bank in Lebanon. So far, there is no hard evidence that Mr. Elgindy had prior knowledge of the 9/11 attacks, and, while Mr. Eglindy is active in Muslim causes, there is no evidence linking him to terrorism. However, according to the Los Angeles Times, his father, Ibrahim Elgindy, led a 1998 protest on behalf of Muhammed Salah, whose assets were seized after he was linked to the radical Palestinian group Hamas. After 9/11, there was evidence of profiteering in airline puts and calls (options to purchase or sell stocks at a fixed price on a later date), but this was eventually discovered to be apparent coincidence. It is not clear, however, that evidence of similar activities involving insurance stocks was innocent, and, if this is being investigated, there is no public knowledge of it. What has gone little remarked in the press was a dramatic spike in trade volume on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange in the days prior to 9/11. (Futures Magazine, Nov. 2001, Vol. 30, No. 14, p.12) This is where futures on the NASDAQ and Standard and Poor's stock averages are traded, and would be a prime target of profiteers if anybody had extensive knowledge of 9/11. On September 7, the last trading day before 9/11, (Monday was a holiday) CME trading volume spiked to its highest point in months, ending a week of exceptionally
[CTRL] Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [NA] W. Bush Blocking 9-11 Commission confirmed
-Caveat Lector- I think this is unfair and overblown. I saw the segment on television where she explained how she thought this had happened, and it was a very credible explanation. She has taken every step to correct this and has been sincerely sorry about it all. Ms. Goodwin must be a threat to someone for this matter to be made into such a huge deal. As always, good guys have to walk the straight and narrow path in every aspect of their lives while bad guys can get away with anything. This is typical libel-ops IMO and I ain't buying into it. In a message dated 5/26/02 11:34:35 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: May 26, 2002 NA (Network America) e-wire W. Bush Blocking 9-11 Commission â confirmed This is a short e-wire. . . . On this day, Sunday May 26, 2002, I arrived home after church to see David Broder of the Washington Post and Establishment House Presidential âhistorianâ Doris Kearns Goodwin on NBCâs âMeet the Pressâ with Tim Russert. I put âhistorianâ in quotes regarding Doris Kearns Goodwin because she has been nailed for plagiarism in her 1987 book, âThe Fitzgeralds and the Kennedys.â Her âcredibilityâ problem would be serious for normal people, as her publisher, Simon Shuster, paid out a money settlement to one of the people she plagiarized from â in 1987. That means she knew of the problem and covered it up for 15 years! Now that sheâs been caught red-handed in public, she is expressing official mea culpas. She has pulled all the paperback copies of the book in existence so that all such copies can be destroyed â while she re-makes those portions of the book. Even so â sheâs claiming itâs all a matter of âinadvertent research proceduresâ â after covering it up for 15 years after knowing her publishers paid a cash settlement to an aggrieved party! For a full report on her many back ups since sheâs been publicly exposed on this plagiarism issue, see the Forbes Magazine article from 2-27-02 at http://www.forbes.com/2002/02/27/0227goodwin.html%20 Doris Kearns Goodwinâs worst offense is her constantly appearing as an Establishment mouthpiece to (objectively) falsify history through her personality / hero worship of such low-life scoundreals, traitors, and criminals â as her former boss, Lyndon Baines Johnson. But, as an establishment asset, even plagiarism doesnât ruin her reputation as an âhistorianâ â so she is constantly invited back to shows like âMeet the Pressâ to tell us what to think about history. Thankfully, years of selling her soul is catching up with her, and since the public exposure of her plagiarism, sheâs really beginning to show her age, which will make her girlish cheerleading for sinister establishment figures â less effective. The above is just one of those delicious sidebars that you may find tucked into any Network America e-wire --- but the real point of this e-wire â is that todayâs âMeet the Pressâ provided the first hard evidence Iâve been able to latch onto from Establishment sources that W. Bush is adamantly BLOCKING any commission or investigation into 9-11. Surprisingly, Tim Russert asked a tremendous question. He said (paraphrase): âThere is still controversy over whether FDR knew about Pearl Harbor in advance and let it happen to get us into World War II, and whether Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman in the assassination of President Kennedy. Obviously, even the conclusions reached by those commissions that were set up shortly after those events still havenât satisfied some Americans. And still, after 8 months, we donât have any investigative commission on the events of 9-11. There is momentum building in the Republican Party to set up an investigative commission on the 9-11 terror attacks â do you think we will eventually see a Congressional investigation?â (Remember, that was a paraphrase.) Then, David Broder said that he didnât think there would be any commission if President W. Bush continued to oppose it. Broder then stated that he couldnât understand why W. Bush has been so resistant to any kind of an official inquiry or investigation. --- Todayâs âMeet the Pressâ transcript will give any interested party the exact wording and the exact quotes. This is the first time I have been able to grasp for sure such an admission from Establishment sources. The reason these admissions are valuable is because when even the establishmentâs mouthpieces are admitting something so damaging to one of their boys â then we know it must be true. All the other sources I had seen (although undoubtedly correct) had been from independent news sources like this e-wire (as opposed to controlled news sources like David Broder and the Washington Post). All the assertions about W. Bush blocking investigations and commissions
[CTRL] Jared Israel (Emperor's Clothers) Radio Interview
-Caveat Lector- http://emperors-clothes.com/audio/sideatp1.htm What Really Happened On 9-11? Jared Israel Interviewed by Mark Haim KOPN 89.5 FM Evening Edition * 2 April 2002 This interview, the first of two, is in two parts. For part 1 click on Link 1. For part 2 click on Link 2. Link 1 (part 1) Link 2 (part 2) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Democrats.com Daily News for May 25, 2002
fwd ---BeginMessage--- ___DEMOCRATS.COMThe Aggressive Progressives__ Democrats.com is the largest independent community of Democrats. We publish the only Democratic daily news service - and it's free! Our members make it possible through generous contributions. Please help by clicking below! http://democrats.com/donate ___.COMPOSITION__In This Issue___ Way to Go! Student Protests Force Cancellation of Assembly for Chief InJustice Rehnquist at his Alma Mater Democrats are Waking Up to Ashcroft's Cover-up of the Stolen Election Democrats.com Expose' about Pentagon Airplane Crash Exercise Makes the Papers - in England Bush Co. Sued in Federal Court for 911 Negligence Bush Ignored Warning from Osama to His Mom Fortune Magazine Summarizes the Phoenix Memo Minneapolis FBI Office Tried Desperately to Prevent 911 - But DC Bureaucrats Stopped Them Cold FBI Warned the CIA Twice About Moussaoui French Intelligence Told the FBI in August that Al-Qaeda Trained Moussaoui -- but the Bush-Ashcroft Axis of Incompetence Did Nothing Brits Warned US of Al Qaeda Hijackings Starting in 1999 - Right up to August 2001 NY Post Reports FAA Withheld 911 Warning Bush Missed 911 Warnings Because He Has ADD! House Republicans Spit on the Graves of Gay 911 Victims Incompetence and Right-Wing Ideology Blinded Ashcroft Rumsfeld to Terrorism Ashcroft Knew - His Sweeping Anti-Terror Measures Are a Fig Leaf to Cover His Naked Incompetence Cheney's Winning Formula -- Secrecy Plus Fear Equals A Pliant Public GOP Caught in Outrageous Dirty Tricks in Michigan Texas Governor's 15-Year-Old Daughter is Supporting the Family Rev. Sun Myung Moon Throws a 20th Anniversary Party of his Washington Times, Complete with an Hour-Long Messianic Rant __Way to Go! Student Protests Force Cancellation of Assembly for Chief InJustice Rehnquist at his Alma Mater AP writes, An assembly to honor Chief Justice William Rehnquist at his high school alma mater was canceled Friday because of a student protest. 'We did not feel it would be appropriate to invite him to receive an honor and then embarrass him here... We did not want to subject him to that sort of treatment,' Shorewood High School principal Rick Monroe said. Congratulations to the outstanding high school students who stood up for Democracy and the Rule of Law! http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20020524_1164.html __Democrats are Waking Up to Ashcroft's Cover-up of the Stolen Election On the morning after the Justice Dept announced vague plans to maybe someday sue 3 Florida counties for election 2000 voter disenfranchisement, Democrats woke up feeling used. According to Salon, Florida Democratic Party spokesman Ryan Banfill warned that the lawsuits may be little more than 'window dressing to provide some political cover for the president and his brother,' Jeb, who is running for reelection as Florida governor this year... 'I saw yesterday they mentioned voter purges. Well, that means they should be looking at [Secretary of State] Katherine Harris. But the fact that her office is not part of this suit makes us think this may not go as far as it should. If they're talking about voter purges, they should be talking about a lot more than three counties,' Banfill said. EXACTLY - and they should be talking about CRIMINAL PROSECUTION of Jeb, Katherine, and Clay Roberts. http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2002/05/23/florida_suits/index.html __Democrats.com Expose' about Pentagon Airplane Crash Exercise Makes the Papers - in England The Mirror of London reports, Military chiefs were so convinced terrorists could fly a plane into the Pentagon that they planned for an attack. Almost 11 months before the September 11 suicide mission killed 189 people at America's defence headquarters, they carried out a detailed emergency exercise. US authorities have consistently claimed they had no idea al-Qaeda was thinking of crashing planes into buildings. President [sic] Bush insists no one ever had considered such a devastating attack. But a report reveals that between October 24 and 26 2000, military planners held an exercise to prepare for 'incidents including a passenger plane crashing into the Pentagon.' So far, Democrats.com is the only US publication to report this expose. When will the US media expose this Bush lie - and all of the others??? http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=11897568method=fullsiteid=50143 __Bush Co. Sued in Federal Court for 911 Negligence A San Francisco lawyer filed an ambitious federal lawsuit today on behalf of all American citizens against President [sic] Bush and six other officials for alleged dereliction of duty in failing to stop the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Stanley G. Hilton, a solo practitioner, filed the would-be class action lawsuit in U.S. District Court in San Francisco. The suit claims that Bush, VP Dick Cheney, Attorney General
[CTRL] Fwd: Sailors Sprayed With Nerve Gas in Cold War Test, Pentagon Says
fwd ---BeginMessage--- This article forwarded to you by BuzzFlash: Sailors Sprayed With Nerve Gas in Cold War Test, Pentagon Says http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/24/politics/24NERV.html - May 24, 2002 Sailors Sprayed With Nerve Gas in Cold War Test, Pentagon Says By THOM SHANKER with WILLIAM J. BROAD WASHINGTON, May 23 ? The Defense Department sprayed live nerve and biological agents on ships and sailors in cold war-era experiments to test the Navy's vulnerability to toxic warfare, the Pentagon revealed today. The Pentagon documents made public today showed that six tests were carried out in the Pacific Ocean from 1964 to 1968. In the experiments, nerve or chemical agents were sprayed on a variety of ships and their crews to gauge how quickly the poisons could be detected and how rapidly they would disperse, as well as to test the effectiveness of protective gear and decontamination procedures in use at the time. Hundreds of sailors exposed to the poisons in tests conducted in the 1960's could be eligible for health care benefits, and the Department of Veterans Affairs has already begun contacting those who participated in some of the experiments, known as Project Shipboard Hazard and Defense, or SHAD. We are committed to helping every veteran who took part in these tests, said Anthony J. Principi, the secretary of veterans affairs. If we find any medical problems or disabilities we can attribute to Project SHAD, we'll ensure these veterans receive the benefits they deserve. Of the six tests, three used sarin, a nerve agent, or VX, a nerve gas; one used staphylococcal enterotoxin B, known as SEB, a biological toxin; one used a simulant believed to be harmless but subsequently found to be dangerous; and one used a nonpoisonous simulant. Michael Kilpatrick, a medical official in the office of the assistant secretary of defense for health affairs, said it was unclear whether sailors had been intentionally exposed to the germ and chemical agents without the benefit of protective masks and gear. Also uncertain, he said, was whether any had given their permission to become human guinea pigs in medical experiments with the deadly substances. When you read the overarching plans for the testing, people were to be protected, he said in an interview. But when we get to individual reports, we do not see things like informed consent or individual protection. We don't have the records for what, if any, protection was given to people. The implication, he said, is that in some cases sailors may have been exposed to the chemical and germ dangers. To me, Dr. Kilpatrick added, the important thing now is that the Defense Department and veterans affairs are cooperating for the benefit of the veteran. The Department of Veterans Affairs has notified 622 of about 4,300 military personnel, mostly from the Navy, identified as participants in Project SHAD. The process of identifying the veterans who participated in the program began in September 2000 under pressure from Representative Mike Thompson, Democrat of California, who was responding to claims by veterans that they had suffered health damage from the tests. This information is significant since we now know that our military personnel were exposed to sarin gas and VX nerve agent, which are both highly lethal, and other agents that are known carcinogens, Mr. Thompson said. While noting that the documents made public today by the Pentagon were the third installment of fact sheets on Project SHAD, bringing to 12 the number of tests that had been declassified, he demanded that the Defense Department release additional information on the 113 secret SHAD tests believed to have been planned. It is only fair to inform service members, some of whom may not even know of their exposure, of the specific harmful agents used in SHAD tests, Mr. Thompson said. Leonard A. Cole, an expert on biological weapons at Rutgers University who wrote Clouds of Secrecy, a book on the government's germ testing program, said the new disclosures were troubling but grimly logical. They're important because they add to a whole pool of knowledge about what the military was doing, he said. But they don't shock me. We've known that the Army had exposed human subjects to biological agents, though always with permission. If there was no informed consent, Dr. Cole added, that would be a big deal. I know of no large-scale testing on human subjects with chemical or biological weapons that was performed without some level of informed consent. A number of the SHAD tests used harmless simulants that were meant to mimic and trace the dissemination of real agents. But others used deadly chemicals and germs. One test, named Fearless Johnny, was carried out southwest of Honolulu during August and September of 1965. The George Eastman, a Navy cargo ship, was sprayed with VX nerve agent and a simulant to evaluate
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Terror Roadblock???
This is intense IMO. fwd ---BeginMessage--- http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-052402probe.story FBI Lawyer Tells of Terror 'Roadblock' Inquiry: In a bitter and detailed letter, the Minneapolis official says the bureau failed to act on its agents' suspicions in Moussaoui case. By ERIC LICHTBLAU and JOSH MEYER Times Staff Writers May 24 2002 WASHINGTON -- An FBI official in Minneapolis has lashed out at bureau headquarters for putting up a roadblock and failing to act aggressively enough in pursuing suspicions in August surrounding flight school student Zacarias Moussaoui, sources said Thursday. The detailed, sometimes bitter letter from Coleen Rowley, an FBI lawyer, revealed that agents in her office were reprimanded for seeking assistance from the CIA in the case after they were dissatisfied with the response from the FBI in Washington, according to a government official familiar with the classified letter. Rowley's letter, sent Tuesday to FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III and congressional intelligence committee members, contained bureaucratic language laced with outrage: When, in a desperate eleventh-hour measure to bypass the FBI HQ roadblock, the Minneapolis division undertook to directly notify the CIA's counterterrorist center, FBI HQ personnel chastised the Minneapolis agents for making the direct notification without their approval. Rowley also criticized officials at FBI headquarters in Washington for rejecting Minnesota agents' request for a secret search and surveillance of Moussaoui last summer, weeks before the Sept. 11 hijackings. And she accused Mueller and other senior officials of trying to circle the wagons in their recent defense of the bureau's performance. Mueller, who sources said faced heated questioning about the letter in a closed-door meeting with lawmakers earlier this week, said Thursday he has referred the matter to the Justice Department's inspector general's office for investigation. While I cannot comment on the specifics of the letter, I am convinced that a different approach is required toward counterintelligence operations, Mueller said in a statement. New strategies, new technologies, new analytical capacities and a different culture make us an agency that is changing post-9/11, he said. There is no room after the attacks for the types of problems and attitudes that could inhibit our efforts. The FBI has come under swelling criticism in recent weeks over its alleged failure to pick up on warning signs before Sept. 11, including the suspicions of a Phoenix FBI agent who warned in July that Middle Eastern flight school students in Arizona might be planning an attack. The Minneapolis letter is sure to ratchet up that criticism even further. Sen. Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala.), ranking Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee, questioned Mueller intensely about Rowley's letter in a closed briefing Wednesday, and the senator was said to be very angry about the FBI's failure to act, according to a congressional source. Moussaoui, a French citizen of Moroccan descent, was taken into custody in Minneapolis in August on an immigration violation after his instructors at a flight training school thought he was acting suspiciously. He wanted to learn how to fly 747s, a jetliner far above his experience level, and he paid the $8,000 fee in cash. Agents with the FBI's Minneapolis field office wanted approval to execute a search warrant and conduct secret wiretaps under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA, which allows the government to monitor suspected foreign agents or terrorists with the approval of a secret court in Washington. But officials at FBI headquarters turned down the request, saying they did not have enough evidence to act. They refused to pass the request along to the Justice Department and the FISA court, and Moussaoui was not conclusively linked to any terrorist plot before Sept. 11. But subsequent investigation after the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon revealed evidence that Moussaoui may have planned to be the 20th hijacker had he not been taken into custody. A search of his computer and his belongings turned up a flight simulation program, along with information about crop-dusters and other suspicious material, officials said. That material led the Justice Department to warn about possible attacks using crop-dusters to spread biological agents. Moussaoui was charged with conspiracy to commit murder in the hijackings, and he is facing the death penalty if convicted. After a defiant courtroom tirade several weeks ago calling for the destruction of America, he is now seeking to represent himself in court. His trial is scheduled to begin in Alexandria, Va., this fall. The handling of the Moussaoui case before Sept. 11 has stirred questions for months, but Rowley's letter represents the first in-house attack and adds significant new details to the public record. In her detailed 13-page letter,
[CTRL] Fight against the reinstatement of the Draft!
-Caveat Lector- What You Can Do: Fill in the form below to send a petition to your U.S. Representative. http://www.endselectiveservice.org/ Fight against the reinstatement of the Draft! Friends: Late last year, Rep. Nick Smith, (R-MI) has introduced a bill, H.R. 3598, which calls for the reinstatement of the draft. This bill must be stopped; we ask you to sign our petition against its passage. We believe that the government has no claim on your life, and certainly no right to force you to fight in a war. The draft is immoral and - given the high-tech/low-manpower nature of modern warfare requiring few but highly skilled soldiers, completely unnecessary for national defense. Rep. Smithâs bill to reinstate the draft flies in the face of liberty, and all freedom-loving Americans should feel threatened by it. National emergencies are the number one excuse for restricting liberty, but remember the famous words of Benjamin Franklin; âThey that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.â Liberty is more than an abstract principle; it is a cause that must be fought for every day, in times of peace and in times of war. Accordingly, we oppose the adoption of Rep. Nick Smith's bill, HR 3598, to reinstate the draft. What You Can Do: Fill in the form below to send a petition to your U.S. Representative. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: BOMBSHELL BUSH ADMINISTRATION SEPTEMBER 11TH FAILURE STORY
(same story as Terror Roadblock subject header but worth repeating.) fwd ---BeginMessage--- BuzzFlash bets the shredders are working overtime at the White House and FBI headquarters tonight! BEST QUOTATION FROM THE AP STORY: An FBI whistle-blower alleges FBI headquarters rewrote Minnesota agents' pre-Sept. 11 request for surveillance and search warrants for terrorism defendant Zacarias Moussaoui and removed important information before rejecting them, government officials said Friday. Agent Coleen Rowley wrote that the Minnesota agents became so frustrated by roadblocks erected by terrorism supervisors in Washington that they began to joke that FBI headquarters was becoming an unwitting accomplice to Osama bin Laden's efforts to attack the United States, the officials said. The full article is the current headline story on BuzzFlash.com. Our list is opt-IN only. PO Box 618354 Chicago, IL 60661-8354 To remove yourself from further mailings, please click the link below to unsubscribe. - This email powered by EmailFactory The Web-Based Precision Opt-In Email Marketing Solution. BR BR To UNSUBSCRIBE from this mailing list, go to: a href=http://bye.emf3.com/handler.cfm?idAddress=L9635656637.39060;http://bye.emf3.com/handler.cfm?idAddress=L9635656637.39060 /a If you are unable to click, copy and paste this URL into your browser: http://bye.emf3.com/handler.cfm?idAddress=L9635656637.39060 ---End Message---
[CTRL] Ruppert's FTW warned of website attack
-Caveat Lector- http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/052202_DOS_attack.html excerpts: LOS ANGELES, May 22, 2002, 5 PM PST â (FTW) This morning, FTW received word from a prominent web investigation group that the From The Wilderness website has been targeted for a Denial of Service (DOS) attack. ...They said that the code and setup was the most sophisticated they had ever seen...they were impressed. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [the_octopus] Mexico ATTACKS United States of America
fwd ---BeginMessage--- INS confirms border incident with Mexico By Bill McAllister Denver Post Washington Bureau Chief Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - WASHINGTON - Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., accused the Mexican army Tuesday of staging a military incursion Friday night into southern Arizona that ended with Mexican soldiers firing shots at a U.S. Border Patrol vehicle. Lori Haley, an Immigration and Naturalization spokeswoman, confirmed that an incident occurred in a remote area near Ajo, Ariz. A U.S. agent spotted three Mexican soldiers in a Mexican Humvee on U.S. soil and was attempting to leave the area when the rear window of his vehicle was apparently shattered by gunfire, she said. The agent was leaving the area in an effort to avoid a confrontation with the Mexicans, she said. Because of the seriousness of the incident Haley said, U.S. authorities launched a formal investigation and are asking Mexican authorities to do the same. The Mexican government previously has rejected Tancredo's charges that Mexican police and military units frequently cross the border. Tancredo, who leads a group of lawmakers opposed to liberalizing immigration laws, has said U.S. officials believe the incursions are related to drug trafficking. The Republican from Littleton said he fears gunplay between U.S. and Mexican authorities unless officials stop the incursions. Unless we open our eyes and recognize that what's happening along the U.S.-Mexico border is real, one of our guys is going to get killed, he said. The INS confirmed the incident, but Tancredo's version differed somewhat. He said 10 soldiers were involved and the shot damaged more than the Border Patrol's rear window. He also said the Mexicans came 10 miles into the U.S before they were spotted. Tancredo said U.S. agents believe the shots were fired because Mexican authorities were pursuing drug dealers into the U.S. They are saying they had interdicted a huge shipment of drugs, he said. Therefore everyone was antsy. But regardless of the circumstances, they had happy trigger fingers, he said. The U.S. vehicle was clearly marked and should have been recognizable, he said. The agent told him, As far as I am concerned, that (incursion) should be an act of war,' Tancredo said. On May 3, Tancredo wrote Mexican President Vicente Fox demanding that he halt incursions by Mexican law enforcement officers into the U.S. Fox didn't respond. http://www.denverpost.com/framework/0%2C1918%2C36%257E53%257E626846%2C00.htm l Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FONT COLOR=#99Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. /FONTA HREF=http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/xYTolB/TM;BClick Here!/B/A -~- The Octopus: A Yahoo! Groups Message Service Founded August 25th, 1999 In Memoriam: Danny Casolaro Jim Keith Ron Bonds William Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ---End Message---
[CTRL] Fwd: Here's What Bush Knew, A BuzzFlash Reader News Analysis
fwd ---BeginMessage--- Here's What Bush Knew, A BuzzFlash Reader News Analysis http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/2002/05/23_Bush_Knew.html - Here's What Bush Knew by Susan DeSantis May 23, 2002 Buzz, So let me get this straight. 1. The Bush administration takes office and gives the Taliban $43 million while it's planning to attack them and take over for a planned pipeline. 2. While bin Laden is attacking our Embassies and military installations around the world, his family is contracting to repair the damage and has deep connections to Bush's father. 3. While Bush is telling Ca. they made their own bed and won't talk to state officials, he's talking to Enron in secret meetings, and is planning our energy policy with Cheney. (more) For all 19 very interesting pieces of information, including many links to sources, visit BuzzFlash: http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/2002/05/23_Bush_Knew.html - Support Independent News Media! Help Keep BuzzFlash Buzz'n! http://www.buzzflash.com/premiums/ - http://www.BuzzFlash.com Our list is opt-IN only. PO Box 618354 Chicago, IL 60661-8354 To remove yourself from further mailings, please click the link below to unsubscribe. - This email powered by EmailFactory The Web-Based Precision Opt-In Email Marketing Solution. BR BR To UNSUBSCRIBE from this mailing list, go to: a href=http://bye.emf3.com/handler.cfm?idAddress=L9635656637.38838;http://bye.emf3.com/handler.cfm?idAddress=L9635656637.38838 /a If you are unable to click, copy and paste this URL into your browser: http://bye.emf3.com/handler.cfm?idAddress=L9635656637.38838 ---End Message---
[CTRL] German protesters jeer Bush's visit to Europe
-Caveat Lector- http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/3317833.htm Posted on Thu, May. 23, 2002 German protesters jeer Bush's visit to Europe BY DANIEL RUBIN AND RON HUTCHESON Herald World Staff excerpt BERLIN - Seeking support for U.S. policies that are unpopular across Europe, President Bush was met by thousands of protesters Wednesday night as he opened a four-country tour in Germany's capital. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] White House releases material on Enron contacts
-Caveat Lector- http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/3317855.htm Posted on Thu, May. 23, 2002 White House releases material on Enron contacts BY RICHARD A. OPPEL JR. New York Times Service excerpt WASHINGTON - White House officials had more extensive contacts with Enron executives in 2001 than previously disclosed, according to a document released by the Bush administration Wednesday in response to a request for information from a Senate committee. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Bush gets a lecture from Parliament President
-Caveat Lector- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62320-2002May23.html Bush Tackles Terrorism, Trade in German Address Speech Preceded by Policy Lecture From Parliament's President By Dana Milbank Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, May 23, 2002; 1:26 PM excerpt As Bush sat impassively, Thierse declared that we need coordinated action to combat global warming, urging Bush to reconsider his opposition to the Kyoto accord. Bush did not join in the applause that followed. Thierse then scolded Bush's rejection of the International Criminal Court, saying Germany hopes to be moving forward together with our American friends. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] priest and GHB, bishop, florida vote fraud, mail searches
-Caveat Lector- I read about this in detail in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. It looks to me as if they had a consensual sexual relationship 20 years ago - the Archbishop and the 30 year old Paul Marcoux - and then Marcoux manipulated the Arch out of his personal funds and then laid these accusations on him in order to get more $ - which he did. Looks like extortion to me. Marcoux got his 450K in 1998, and has violated the terms of the agreement by speaking publicly about it. http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/may02/45574.asp http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/may02/45568.asp http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/may02/45573.asp In a message dated 5/23/02 7:57:47 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ABC: Wis. Bishop Settled Sex Claim - 5/23/02 - Milwaukee - Archbishop Rembert Weakland, who has adopted a zero tolerance policy toward abusive priests, agreed in 1998 to pay $450,000 to a man who accused him of sex assault, according to documents cited Thursday by ABC News. The report came a day after the Roman Catholic bishop of Lexington, Ky., temporarily stepped aside from his pastoral duties in the wake of a lawsuit filed by a man for alleged sexual abuse. Http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nat-gen/2002/may/23/052305571.html A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Jeff Bridges J Larry Brown - Hunger Homeland Security
-Caveat Lector- http://www.jeffbridges.com/homelandsecurity.html Homeland Security Doesn't Start with Hunger Jeff Bridges and J. Larry Brown Seven thousand years after the world's first civilizations formed to protect human populations against hunger, the wealthiest and most powerful country in recorded history somehow finds itself unable to protect its own people from the most basic scourge of our species. Putting it this way, however, is not quite accurate. The 31 million Americans who go hungry, cut down on meal sizes because they haven't enough money to buy food, or simply have no idea where their next meal will come from, are not really the victims of inability but the failure of political leadership. After all, a nation that has unequaled wealth, extensive administrative capacity, and produces more than enough food for its people and much of the rest of the world, doesn't let its most vulnerable citizens go hungry because it cannot do better. When one sees an equation like hunger and wealth, it typically stems from dictatorship or civil strife. In the U.S., where neither is the case, what we have is old-fashioned indifference on the part of national policy makers. There exists no political payoff for ending hunger: no leader will be punished if it continues, and none will be rewarded for helping to end it... at least as things now stand. It was not always this way, not even in recent history. In the 1960s, the nation responded to reports of widespread hunger in the nation. President Richard Nixon and a Democratic Congress responded by weaving a safety net to protect our people from hunger: the food stamp program became national in scope, child nutrition programs like WIC and school breakfast were instituted, and elderly feeding programs created to guard against want during life's so-called golden years. A decade later investigating physicians found that this leadership had made a difference; where they had seen deprivation ten years earlier they now found filled stomachs. Poverty still existed, to be sure, but the poor were fed. Since the 1980s, however, hunger has returned with a vengeance, the result of small-minded policy changes that distributed wealth upward and hardship downward. Since then no president, of either party, has even acknowledged the suffering, let alone mobilized the country to address it. America has the capacity to end hunger in six months if we could convince our leaders to do so. Our nation has programs that work, and we have the administrative structures already in place. What we need is resolve, in the form of $8 to $9 billion more annually, to see that the programs reach all in need Ð an amount, by the way, that is less than one-tenth of one percent of our annual budget. But it will take pressure to get Washington officials to stop ignoring hunger or focusing on charity as an answer. They would not suggest defending the integrity of our national borders through private charities, and neither should they subject the nutritional well-being of our citizens to the vagaries of local handouts. Today, we have thousands of charitable programs doing all they can to stem the growing tide of hunger, and we commend their marvelous endurance and incredible commitment. But to actually end hunger in America, all of us must now work together to mobilize national leaders to pursue policies that protect our families and children from this fully-preventable scourge. Actor and longtime hunger activist Jeff Bridges now chairs an entertainment industry initiative known as Hunger Free America (www.hungerfreeamerica.org). Dr. Brown, Distinguished Scientist at Brandeis University's Heller Graduate School, directs the National Center on Hunger and Poverty, a cosponsor of HFA. -- [extra paragraphs breaks inserted by me - Laura] A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] 53 min. discussion w/ruppert
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[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] US ARMY SOLDIER ARRESTED WITH BOMB AT POWER PLANT
fwd ---BeginMessage--- http://www.savannahnow.com/stories/051602/LOCsoldierarrest.shtml Fort Stewart soldier jailed in Florida on $5 million bond Police believe soldier tried to plant explosive device at power plant. By Noelle Phillips Savannah Morning News Jacksonville, Fla., police arrested a Fort Stewart soldier Saturday after finding him armed, wearing black clothes and leaving a power plant where he allegedly left an explosive. Spc. Derek Lawrence Peterson, 27, is being held on a $5 million bond by the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office Department of Corrections. He has been charged with attempting to detonate an explosive device. Peterson belongs to B Company, 1st Battalion, 64th Armor and has been stationed at Fort Stewart since March, said Dina McCain, a Fort Stewart spokeswoman. McCain said she did not know whether Army investigators were involved with the case and referred all questions about it to Jacksonville police. An officer with the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office stopped Peterson at 11:15 p.m. Saturday for speeding. The officer found Peterson wearing all black clothing and black, plastic pads on his knees and elbows, according to a sheriff's department report. He also had a pistol in a shoulder holster. The officer recognized Peterson's black 2002 Chevrolet Silverado pickup because he had noticed it backed up to the Florida Power and Light station's main gate 30 minutes earlier as he drove to assist another officer. The officer searched Peterson's truck and found a 12-inch knife, a six-inch knife, a 12-gauge shotgun, shotgun shells, .45-caliber bullets, four ammo magazines, a six-volt battery, duct tape, speaker wire and plastic from an explosive device, the report said. After being informed of his rights, wrote arresting officer D.F. Valiante, the suspect advised me that he was on the power plant property to practice recon tactics. Police followed footprints on a dirt road at the power plant and found an explosive device underneath the power lines, the report said. Peterson allegedly told police he had placed a Hoffman explosive device, equal in power to a half-stick of dynamite. He had planned to detonate the explosive but was worried that he would be injured in the blast, the report said. Instead, Peterson removed a six-volt battery and threw it into the woods. A bomb squad disposed of the explosive. Peterson's next court date is June 4. He is not allowed visitors at the jail, according to the corrections department. Military reporter Noelle Phillips can be reached at phillips savannahnow.com or 652-0366. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FONT COLOR=#99Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. /FONTA HREF=http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/xYTolB/TM;BClick Here!/B/A -~- Please let us stay on topic and be civil. To unsubscribe please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs -Home Page- www.cia-drugs.org OM Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ---End Message---
[CTRL] Fwd: Democrats.com Daily News for May 22, 2002
fwd interesting - the web page that showed Pentagon MASCAL exercises including responding to a downed plane hitting the Pentagon (in 2000) was scrubbed, and then unscrubbed a few days later. BUT the photos of the exercise remain scrubbed. See below, second article summary. ---BeginMessage--- ___DEMOCRATS.COMThe Aggressive Progressives__ Democrats.com is the largest independent community of Democrats. We publish the only Democratic daily news service - and it's free! Our members make it possible through generous contributions. Please help by clicking below! http://democrats.com/donate ___.COMPOSITION__In This Issue___ Anti-Bush Protests AT LAST!!! 18 Months Late, the Bush Administration Admits the Florida Election Was Criminal After the Democrats.com Expose', Rove, Rumsfeld Rice Scrub the Pentagon Planning Page - and a Whole Government Web Site! President Gore Would Have Heeded the Warning Signals that the Bush / Ashcroft Axis of Incompetence Ignored Heads Should Roll - Starting With John Ashcroft Bush Incompetence Hides Behind a Veil of Executive Privilege 'No Warnings' - Bush's Unforgiveable Lie Meria Heller Interviews Lt. Mike Vreeland, Who Warned About 911 FBI Bureaucrats Put Phoenix Memo Into the 'Circular File' - Let's Do the Same With Their Careers! Back in July 2001, Ashcroft Was Told to Fly Leased Aircraft for the Rest of His Term As a Result of an FBI Threat Assessment How Low Can They Go? Laura Bush (R-Phony) Calls Us 'Ghouls' for Wanting Answers Dire New Terror Warnings Are Part of a Two-Pronged Political Strategy to Cover Bush's Butt Is that a Yellow Dog Being Wagged -- or a Red / Green Dog? Remember the OTHER Bush 911 Photo? Madeleine Albright Says Team Bush Has 'Untreated Bipolar Disorder' All Actions of Bush, Cheney, and Rice in 2001 were Driven by Oil Bush Crony Capitalism Goes Global through the Carlyle Group Hastert Vetted Murder and Torture in Columbia Shrub's Latest Judicial Pick Would Scrap Miranda Rights! Corporate Publishing Giant Rodale Seeks to Torpedo Freedom of Information on Internet by Making Article Links Illegal __Anti-Bush Protests On 5/22, protest Bush in Berlin. On 5/24, protest Chief Injustice Rehnquist in Milwaukee, WI. On 5/25, protest Bush's wars in San Francisco. http://legitgov.org/action.html __AT LAST!!! 18 Months Late, the Bush Administration Admits the Florida Election Was Criminal Washington Post's Tom Edsall reports, The Justice Department disclosed yesterday it will file suit in three Florida counties charging voting rights violations in the 2000 presidential election... [They] expect the counties and municipalities to admit wrongdoing and agree to take steps to prevent recurrences of problems in the 2002 elections... Boyd said the allegations include improper purges of voter rolls, 'disparate' treatment of minorities in the voting process, failures to provide required voter registration material in certain public places and inaccessible balloting for disabled voters. Boyd's announcement is the first formal action taken by the Bush administration to deal with the politically explosive controversies that surrounded the 2000 election in Florida. The suits would not seek to overturn the presidential election's results, which ultimately were decided by the U.S. Supreme Court. We demand CRIMINAL prosecutions of the thieves who Stole the Presidency!!! http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52089-2002May21.html __After the Democrats.com Expose', Rove, Rumsfeld Rice Scrub the Pentagon Planning Page - and a Whole Government Web Site! On 5-20-02, Democrats.com exposed Condi Rice's Big Lie that no one ever expected the Pentagon to be hit by a civilian airliner. According to the official government Web site of the Military District of Washington (www.mdw.army.mil), the Pentagon ITSELF planned in detail how it would respond to just such a scenario from October 24-26 2000. And this was no low-level exercise, since it took place in the Office of the Secretaries of Defense conference room! Folks, we must have found something REALLY EXPLOSIVE - because not only did Rove Rumsfeld Rice scrub this article, they scrubbed the whole Military District of Washington Web site! Luckily, we kept a copy of the article (see below). Call your Representatives (202-224-3121) and the media and demand the truth about the Pentagon's civilian airline crash exercise in October 2000! http://democrats.com/view.cfm?id=7382 __President Gore Would Have Heeded the Warning Signals that the Bush / Ashcroft Axis of Incompetence Ignored Aaron Marr Page wrote in January, If Bush's advisers hadn't been so instinctively dismissive of all things Clinton, they might have had a [terrorism policy within two months] of Bush's inauguration. [But the] only Middle East issue that the Bush administration apparently gave a damn about was Saddam Hussein... And here's where we
[CTRL] Caroline Kennedy Meets the Press... by Cheryl Seal
-Caveat Lector- http://www.unknownnews.net/cdd-archive.html#051402 Cheryl's Daily Diatribe: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 Caroline Kennedy Meets the Press and Soars above the Slings and Arrows of Outrageous Russerts Caroline Kennedy must have felt like she'd wandered into a seedy bar when she appeared on Meet the Press with Tim Russert and Bob Woodward on May 12. Kennedy was part of a round table discussion that was supposed to be devoted to a new version of Profiles in Courage for Our Time (the original was, of course, by JFK) which she helped to edit and write. That she would agree to go onto the same stage with Tim Russert shows incredible optimism... or a strong stomach... or amazing stamina...or perhaps all of the above. What a contrast! The classy, self-possessed and unpretentious Caroline on one hand, the pontificating, outrageously self-important and belligerent Russert on the other. Russert, whose face seems to balloon more each week, while his beetly brow grows more beetly, acted like some old barfly trying to bait the other, less soused patrons of the joint into an argument or reduce them to tears. Bob Woodward, off on the sidelines, reminded me of some washed up has-been you find hiding in a dark corner of a bar, looking hunted and guilty, lamenting his finer days and proffering lame excuses to those near and dear as he sniffles into his beer. Alas, the guy who exposed Watergate now he seems more interested in keeping buffoons like Russert appeased than offering anything of worth to the field of journalism. Russert treated Kennedy badly â though in a snotty, passive-aggressive, sneaky fashion. But everyone sees through this â after all, we all have at least one dreaded relative who systematically sets out to ruin family occasions in much the same way Russert operates. He asked Kennedy about one of the people she had selected for a special award â one Dean Colhaven, a Republican Mayor in Illinois who defended the right of Muslims to build a mosque in his town. When she mentioned that Colhaven eventually lost his bid for reelection, Russert broke in with snide satisfaction, Not just defeated, but he came in a distant third. And then was sued by the very people he was trying to help. You almost hear Russert thinking, Yeah, what a sucker! Nice guys finish last. And all for a bunch of towel heads! The discussion, of course, was supposed to be about the Profiles in Courage concept â Kennedy's concept...but Russert kept babbling on about Nixon, as if by shoving Nixon into Kennedy's limelight he could somehow plump up the Crook's image. At one point, Russert commented that from early on in his career, so much of his political coverage had been fixated on... There's a slight pause, and of course everyone â the audience, Caroline, probably even the cameramen â all think he's going to say Kennedy, because, Russert WAS a liberal Democrat back before he discovered he liked money more than principles (one of Russert's actual statements was Integrity is for paupers!). But it's a set up â Russert instead says John Kennedy AND Richard Nixon. Equal billing for the leader and the loser. The idea being, of course, to see Caroline's face fall and hear her stammer a confused reply. But nope, Caroline remained collected throughout the ordeal, like Alice at the Mad Hatter's tea party â even when Russert said, with old barfly cruelty, So, Caroline, now that your father's gone, your uncle's gone, your mother's gone, and your brother's gone, are you going to carry on the family torch? With his tone, he may as well have said So, honey, now that your whole family is DEAD, all of them DEAD, how does it feel? But Caroline seemed prepared for anything â who wouldn't be, knowing anything about Russert, who is a step below Rush Limbaugh on the protozoan food chain (at least Limbaugh doesn't pretend to be anything other than a pontificating old rightwing windbag on the take from corpolitical patrons). So, even when Russert brutally showed a photo of Jackie Kennedy taken during her last year when illness had clearly taken its toll - a gesture that seemed to stretch for some Kennedy bashing impact on the public or at least to wring a few tears from his guest â Caroline remained poised and in doing so make Russert's buffoonery stand out in stark relief. Instead of taking the Kennedys down a notch, as he so clearly was trying to do, Russert succeeded only in making the viewer realize just how many painful miles lie between Camelot and Crawford. © 2002, Cheryl Seal Cheryl may be contacted at [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
[CTRL] Fwd: White House Admits Terror Warnings Used To Fend Off Criticism From The ...
In a message dated 5/22/02 4:08:43 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, White House officials told reporters that the blunt warnings issued yesterday and Sunday do not reflect a dramatic increase in threatening information but rather a desire to fend off criticism from the Democrats. see below for more ---BeginMessage--- This article forwarded to you by BuzzFlash: However, White House officials told reporters that the blunt warnings issued yesterday and Sunday do not reflect a dramatic increase in threatening information but rather a desire to fend off criticism from the Democrats. (link at bottom) -- U.S. issues new warnings on terror White House tries to counter Bush's critics By DOUG SAUNDERS Tuesday, May 21, 2002 ? Print Edition, Page A11 As U.S. officials continued to issue warnings yesterday about the possibility of attacks by suicide bombers and terrorists, the White House quietly acknowledged that the threats are not urgent and that they are partly motivated by political objectives. FBI director Robert Mueller told an audience of lawyers that the United States is likely some day to experience Israel-style suicide bombings, while the Immigration and Naturalization Service warned that it is unable to keep track of potential terrorists holding student visas. There will be another terrorist attack. We will not be able to stop it, Mr. Mueller told a gathering of prosecutors in Virginia. It's something we all live with. However, White House officials told reporters that the blunt warnings issued yesterday and Sunday do not reflect a dramatic increase in threatening information but rather a desire to fend off criticism from the Democrats. Last week, Democrats criticized the Republican administration for its failure to warn Americans about al-Qaeda terrorism in the months before the Sept. 11 attacks. A senior administration official with knowledge of U.S. intelligence said yesterday that the new warnings, issued by Vice-President Dick Cheney on Sunday and by Mr. Mueller yesterday, are designed to give Americans better notice and to protect President George W. Bush against second-guessing in the event of another attack. A top White House aide said that last week's criticism prompted a two-pronged political response: Mr. Bush accused Democrats of playing politics with the issue while his advisers reminded voters that the United States is still a target. Although reports of communications among suspected al-Qaeda members have increased in recent weeks, the White House has not elevated its level of alert from code yellow and has no plan to do so, several officials said. Yellow means there is a significant risk of attack, a status that has remained unchanged since the colour code was established in mid-March. In response to what you heard over the weekend, I would say [the threats are] relatively non-specific and we are watching it extremely closely, said Lieutenant-General Gregory Newbold, senior planning officer on the U.S. military's Joint Staff. Nevertheless, the United States was rife with warnings yesterday that its buildings, borders and facilities are still vulnerable to terror attacks. Owners of apartment buildings were warned again to look out for suspicious tenants, and officials in Orlando, Fla., and New York City cautioned that their drinking-water systems are highly vulnerable. According to The New York Times, thousands of foreigners have illegally obtained Social Security numbers, a form of identity fraud that would allow terrorists to live undetected within U.S. borders for long periods. At the same time, the Immigration and Naturalization Service said in a 180-page report that its system of keeping track of student-visa holders is riddled with inaccuracies, gathered using procedures that are untimely and significantly flawed, and that the records of visa holders are incomplete and unreliable. Several of the Sept. 11 terrorists used student visas to enter the United States. The INS said its new, more secure computer system will not be ready by January, as originally scheduled. Yesterday, members of the Senate intelligence committee reiterated Mr. Cheney's warnings about terror attacks in the future, while toning down his rhetoric by saying that such attacks could take place months or years from now. I believe it's going to come, Republican Senator Richard Shelby of Alabama said. Now, whether you mean by imminent, is it going to happen today, tomorrow or two years? We're not sure. Other officials and politicians said al-Qaeda is not the only Islamic terror group capable of launching attacks against the United States. Our enemy is not al-Qaeda alone, Democratic Senator Bob Graham of Florida said. There are several international terrorist groups which have abilities, in some cases greater abilities, than al-Qaeda and a similar desire to attack the United
[CTRL] John O'Neill had the Phoenix Memo
-Caveat Lector- (You have to register and/or sign in to read this but the articles are free for 30 days.) http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/21/national/21INQU.html Ashcroft Learned of Agent's Alert Just After 9/11 but Bush Was Not Told By DAVID JOHNSTON and DON VAN NATTA Jr. WASHINGTON, May 20 excerpts The Phoenix memorandum is one of two documents under heavy scrutiny by Congressional investigators ... The memorandum was sent to counterterrorism offices in two cities â one copy went to John O'Neill, then the top counterterrorism agent in the F.B.I.'s New York office. Mr. O'Neill retired from the F.B.I. in late August. He had just begun a job as the security chief of the World Trade Center when he was killed in the attacks. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NY Metro - Indepth story on John O'Neill
-Caveat Lector- http://www.nymag.com/page.cfm?page_id=5513position=1 http://www.nymag.com/page.cfm?page_id=5513position=2 http://www.nymag.com/page.cfm?page_id=5513position=3 Wednesday, May 22, 2002 BY ROBERT KOLKER O'Neill Versus Osama header: Most of the victims of the September 11 attack seemed tragically random -- they were just going to work. Not John O'Neill. Until last August, he'd been the FBI's top expert on Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden, a lead investigator of the USS Cole and African embassy bombings. Leaving the Bureau in frustration, he'd taken a job he thought of as retirement: World Trade Center security chief. But when he died it became clear: His own life contained as many mysteries as his enemy's. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] John O'Neill, FBI Hero, Got Word in July, Was Rebuffed, Retired In Anger
-Caveat Lector- http://www.mediawhoresonline.com/ PHOENIX MEMO WENT TO FRUSTRATED NYC PATRIOT-MARTYR John O'Neill, FBI Hero, Got Word in July, Was Rebuffed, Retired In Anger NY Times, Incredibly, Reports And Then Blows Huge Story A Crucial Piece Of The Bush Scandal Puzzle? In a stunning revelation, the New York Times has reported that among the two FBI office counterterrorism chiefs who received the now famously neglected Phoenix memorandum last July was none other than John O'Neill -- then the top counterterrorist officer in the FBI's New York City's office, and the FBI's leading expert on Osama bin Laden. O'Neill knew perfectly well what Al Qaeda was up to, and had been knocking on doors (and, at times, heads) for years to get his colleagues and superiors to understand what he did. The last straw came in July 2001, when (as he told the French authors Guillaume Dasquié and Jean-Charles Brisard in an interview), O'Neill became fully aware that the Bush administration, anxious over negotiations for a Caspian Sea oil pipe line, had decided to back off of tracking bin Laden and opposing the Taliban, lest it risk alienating powerful Saudi families. Instead of going after the Taliban and bin Laden, the Bush Administration decided to negotiate and try to buy off the Taliban and bin Laden. Unfortunately for the Administration, the pipe-line negotiations broke down in August. And on September 11, bin Laden struck. What no one has known until now is that at the very moment that O'Neill was finally giving up, in July, he was being apprised of the Phoenix memorandum -- a memo, it seems, that practically nobody inside the Bush Administration was willing to treat seriously other than himself. At the end of August, in disgust, O'Neill left the FBI to take what he somewhat ruefully regarded as his retirement job --as head of security at the World Trade Center. There, on September 11, John O'Neill died at the hands of his arch-enemy bin Laden's fiendish followers. Connect the dots? Well, duh! O'Neill got the Phoenix message. No one would listen. No one. The Bushies had backed off bin Laden. So O'Neill changed jobs -- and went on to die a martyr's death. While all the people who ignored him, on up the chain to the Oval Office, live on -- ghoulishly making political hay out of his sacrifice and their own incompetence -- and, in a sense, their own perfidy. But here's the really amazing thing -- having unearthed this blockbuster, the New York Times reporters David Johnston and Don Van Natta, Jr., simply bury it in their story. They report, incredibly, that O'Neill simply retired back in August -- ignoring the well-known background, leaving the dots unconnected!! What did O'Neill know back in July? Whom did he try to warn? What happened when he did so? What did his retirement -- and its tragic consequences -- have to do with his frustrated efforts to get Bush's people to listen to him about the Phoenix memo, and/or about everything else he knew about Osama bin Laden's clear and present danger to American lives? Here are some questions that the Bush people don't want asked, by the New York Times, by a National Board of Investigation, or by anyone else. Who among ye Whores will have the guts to ask them -- and then have the additional guts to find the answers? If you can't be stirred by common decency or by human justice or by old-fashioned professionalism, listen to this -- there's a Pulitzer Prize here for someone with enough guts. Just connect the dots -- and do some intelligent reporting. In death, the hero John O'Neill may just turn out to be the central clue to solving the Bush 9/11 scandal. Which will still be cruel -- but at least might lead to justice. © 2002 Media Whores Online. Full Stories: New York Times New York Magazine A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Cynthia's Revenge
fwd very funny - about a very non-funny situation ---BeginMessage--- http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/2002-05-22/fishwrapper.html 'No warnings' Truth launches surprise attack on Bush and critics of McKinney BY JOHN SUGG To comprehend the real hilarity of the current meltdown at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., review (and relish) the very un-presidential activities of the occupant during the last week. First, there was this tidbit: Maximum Commandante Dick Cheney sends out invitations to GOP loyalists for a June 19 dinner to honor President-Figurehead W for, among other things, confronting and fighting terrorism. Wrapping the administration in the flag and castigating critics as treasonous is, of course, the favorite spin- tactic of this hell-bent-on-authoritarianism administration. That I got one of these invites (sorry, Dick, but our publisher won't let me write off $25,000 for a table for 10 to my expense account) shows just how utterly incompetent the administration is at assessing friends and foes. Among the perks for stuffing the GOP's pockets, the White House promised some photos, including one of Bush on Air Force One Sept. 11. Without a doubt, that's raising campaign cash while standing on a pile of corpses. The awful tastelessness of the gutter-level ploy gagged even the docile, fearful-to-be-called-unpatriotic Democrats and mainstream media. Just as that rather tepid little bit of Bush smarminess was beginning to subside, the really big, smelly chunk of merde hit the air- circulating system. Prior to Sept. 11, Bush had had warnings -- oh yes he had -- about a terrorist threat. His mouthpiece, Ari Fleischer, had lied -- oh yes he had and despicably so -- when shortly after 3,000 innocent people died in the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks, the spokesman proclaimed no warnings. The press has acted as if this story smashed into their computers with no warnings. But it's been there all along. The Los Angeles Times' very savvy Washington reporter, Richard Serrano, reported Sept. 20 -- nine days after the terrorist attack -- that FBI and CIA officials were advised in August that as many as 200 terrorists were slipping into this country and planning 'a major assault on the United States.' No one paid much attention to Serrano, because to have done so would have risked the ire of the administration. As with other emperor-has- no-clothes stories -- such as the suspicious activities of more than a hundred of Israelis, dozens of whom were collared while trying to penetrate federal facilities, reported by CL, Fox News, Salon.com, among others -- most of the establishment suck-up press put on blinders. Even after CBS broke the story mid-week that there had been credible warnings of a terrorist attack, many in the press did their damnedest to see no evil. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, for example, buried a teensy report on page B4 of last Thursday's paper. The national press was equally slow to react until the mounting howls of outrage from Capitol Hill made reporting on the debacle unavoidable. But let's talk about Cynthia McKinney for a minute. This is the fun stuff. On March 25, the DeKalb congresswoman, who certainly isn't shy about stating her mind (that's called understatement), gave an interview on a Berkeley, Calif., radio station in which she raised two points. First, she made this statement: We know there were numerous warnings of the events to come on Sept. 11th. What did this administration know and when did it know it, about the events of Sept. 11th? Who else knew, and why did they not warn the innocent people of New York who were needlessly murdered? What do they have to hide? And she raised the issue that people close to the Bush administration were poised to make a bundle off the war -- especially the Carlyle Group, a sort of shadow government that is the perfect expression of the military-industrial complex. Carlyle, McKinney commented, made a quarter-billion bucks in one day recently by selling stock in its subsidiary United Defense Industries, a scheme made possible by the post-9-11 arms build-up. And, yes, W's dad, former President George H.W. Bush, is busily bellying up to the Carlyle feeding trough. And, yes, as Republican Sen. John McCain and others have noted, there is an orgy of arms profiteering going on -- some of it obvious (a Boeing deal that would have gouged taxpayers for $20 billion to lease 100 tankers, then re- gouged us when the company took the planes back) and some not so obvious (the total cave-in to globalization). What McKinney did not say was that W had allowed the Sept. 11 attack to occur so that Dad and his billionaire buddies could profit. But by putting the two thoughts in relatively close temporal proximity, she all but hung a target on herself. And, boy, did the critics have a mud-splattering orgy at McKinney's expense! Bush spokesman Scott McLellan called her comments ludicrous, baseless views. Georgia U.S. Sen. Zell Miller derided
[CTRL] Fwd: TWO BUZZFLASH READERS EXPOSE THE NEW YORK TIMES DOING SOME MORE P.R. WOR...
fwd ---BeginMessage--- http://www.buzzflash.com/buzzscripts/buzz.dll/sub THE NEW YORK TIMES DOES SOME MORE P.R. WORK FOR THE WHITE HOUSE The New York Times, in a breathless exclusive from unnamed government officials, once again dutifully does the P.R. work for the White House. They swallow an implausible story, tossed to them like a dog bone, fashioned to protect the President. Of course, two BuzzFlash readers saw through it in a minute, and these readers aren't getting paid what New York Times transcriptionists (aka journalists) and editors earn. We're sure of that. Regarding: B.S. Alert. The New York Times Thinks This is Some Sort of Exclusive, But It's More of Protect the President Leaking: Ashcroft Learned of Agent's Alert Just After 9/11 but Bush Was Not Told http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/21/national/21INQU.html Dear Buzz: So if I understand this correctly . Two or three days after the attacks, Dale Watson, who was then assistant director for counterterrorism, brought the (Arizona) memorandum to the attention of Mr. Pickard, the acting director at the time, officials said. Mr. Pickard and several other agents then briefed Mr. Mueller and Mr. Aschroft on its existence, the officials said. That means that every time Mueller Ashcroft heard Ari or Shrub say that they had no prior knowledge or warning of 9/11, Mueller Ashcroft just went along with it? For 8 months? RK SEATTLE,WA BuzzFlash Note: So Ashcroft and Mueller would be concealing the memo then, from Bush and his staff. Doesn't that mean that they are lacking in integrity? Of course, the other option is that the unnamed government officals might be doing a little bit of prevaricating to the gullible New York Times. Which is it? Dear Buzzflash, Shocking. Within a couple of days of the stunning news that Bush and his administration knew about a serious and impending terrorist threat planned within U.S. borders, almost every major media outlet, including the New York Times, CNN, and the Washington Post, seems to be concluding that Bush and his administration acted appropriately, and that the real culprit was a breakdown in communications among the intelligence community. And what is the basis for this conclusion? Uncorroborated statements made by the Bush administration. Huh?!? We're supposed to believe the Bush administration is telling us the truth NOW after it has been lying to the American public for eight months, after it (predictably and speciously) blamed Clinton for the attacks of 9/11? Come on. It's almost enough to make you want to stick your head up the media's collective ass so you can see what the hell they're seeing. Let's get this straight: at this time, the only thing that we can conclude is that Bush and his administration actively lied to the American public regarding what they knew about the threat to the United States and when they knew it. If lying about an act of consensual sex is an impeachable offense, than lying about foreknowledge of terrorist acts certainly ought to be. We don't have enough evidence to conclude that Bush and his administration acted appropriately. As on 9/11, the only thing we know about what Bush and his administration knew before 9/11 is what they tell us, and they have proven to be untrustworthy. Even if they finally are telling the truth now, they cannot be believed without independent confirmation. We also don't have enough evidence to conclude that Bush and his adminstration looked the other way and allowed the terrorists to have their murderous way. Certainly, there are enough inconsistencies and odd facts to give rise to a suspicion that something sinister was afoot, but even the insipid opportunist George W. Bush deserves the benefit of the doubt, at least until it is established that he retired to his Crawford farn because it was surrounded by SAM sights to protect him from suicide terrorist airplane attacks (which I bet you it was). Until we have real answers, we need to challenge the media and our representatives to really press Bush and his administration regarding the events leading up to 9/11. Just as the smoking gun Enron memos show that the media rushed to judgment several months ago when it concluded that Enron is a business scandal, not a political scandal (actually, it is a government corruption scandal), there is more information out there that must be considered. Let me walk through some examples of lackadaisical reporting to illustrate how the major media outlets and our congressmen) are not doing (their jobs. These quotes come from a NYT article (http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/21/national/21INQU.html) But senior Bush administration officials said neither Mr. Ashcroft nor Mr. Mueller briefed President Bush and his national security staff until recently about the fears of an F.B.I. agent in Phoenix that members of Al Qaeda were training at American flight schools, though the two men began daily
[CTRL] OKC Investigator Calls for Investgation on 9-11 Warnings
-Caveat Lector- http://www.sierratimes.com/02/05/21/arck052102.htm OKC Investigator Calls for Investgation on 9-11 Warnings By Sierra Times Published 05. 20. 02 at 20:20 Sierra Time excerpt The information obtained from the computers hard drive in 1995 was part of âProject Bojinkaâ and included extensive plans to carryout terrorist operations against the United States. Project Bojinka included hijacking commercial airliners in the U.S and then flying them into targets such as CIA headquarters. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] test only
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[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Bush Running Scared
fwd ---BeginMessage--- http://library.northernlight.com/FB2002051955012.html? cb=0dx=1006sc=0#doc Story Filed: Sunday, May 19, 2002 12:01 PM EST NEW YORK, May 19, 2002 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- At a private gathering of Republican senators last week, President George W. Bush felt the need to talk tough -- at length -- behind closed doors. As a vicious political war erupted on the Hill, ignited by what the president may have known before September 11, one senator said Bush was shaken, when he walked into the room, Newsweek reports in the May 27 issue (on newsstands Mon., May 20). (Photo: http://www.newscom.com/cgi-bin/prnh/20020519/NYSU011 ) Several sources who were in the Mansfield Room of the Capitol building last Thursday afternoon say the president held a jut-jawed, disjointed discourse with a tinge of diatribe and a crescendo of podium pounding, reports Chief Political Correspondent Howard Fineman. He dismissed questions about his administration's counter- terrorism actions -- or lack of them -- before Sept. 11 as mere Democratic partisanship. I sniff some politics in the air, he scoffed. On the Middle East, Bush recounted a blunt Oval Office conversation with Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. He said he'd asked Sharon if he really hated Yasir Arafat. Sharon answered yes, according to the president. I looked him straight in the eye and said, 'Well, are you going to kill him?' Sharon said no, to which the president said he'd replied, That's good. Now you guys really got me going, Bush said. He threatened to block the entire defense bill if it contained money for the controversial and costly Crusader artillery system. I mean it. I'll veto it, he said tersely, glancing at Sen. Don Nickles of Oklahoma, where Crusader would be build. Bush ended with an attack on North Korean dictator Kim Jong Il. He's starving his own people, Bush said, and imprisoning intellectuals in a Gulag the size of Austin. The president called him a pygmy and compared him to a spoiled child at a dinner table. Stunned senators didn't know quite what to make of the performance as it ended. It was like in church, when the sermon goes on too long and you're not sure what the point is, one senator tells Newsweek. Nobody dared look at anybody else. The White House's vaunted message discipline and internal unity were falling apart under the strain of criticism. Privately, some hardliners criticized press secretary Ari Fleischer for confirming the basic substance of the Aug. 6 memo when it was first reported. We should have piled up the sandbags and said, 'None of your buisness, it's highly classified,' one insider grumbled. Others criticized National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice's press briefing. She wasn't ready for prime time, said one staffer. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FONT COLOR=#99Take the Yahoo! Groups survey for a chance to win $1,000. Your opinion is very important to us! /FONTA HREF=http://us.click.yahoo.com/NOFBfD/uAJEAA/Ey.GAA/xYTolB/TM;BClick Here!/B/A -~- Please let us stay on topic and be civil. To unsubscribe please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs -Home Page- www.cia-drugs.org OM Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ---End Message---
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Confess W, Confess!!!!
fwd: powerful article written by Larry Chin - OnLine Journal ---BeginMessage--- http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Chin051902/chin051902.htm l All the desperate lies and spin don't change the fact that the Bush administration had foreknowledge of the Sept. 11 attacks By Larry Chin Online Journal Contributing Editor May 19, 2002George W. Bush knew. And his administration knew. The transparently dishonest denials issued by the White House do not stand up to the slightest scrutiny. They are lying. A simple examination of existing information, gathered from reliable, open sources proves it. Last night, Michael C. Ruppert of From The Wilderness was scheduled to present his case for Bush 9/11 foreknowledge before a national TV audience on Geraldo Rivera's Fox News program. At the last minutes, this live appearance was cancelled. Coincidence? Ruppert's appearance, which could have caused immeasurable damage to the administration, was allegedly prompted by breaking news from the White House suggesting imminent new terrorist attacks. Wag the dog? What desperate measures will this cabal resort to in order to remain in power? How many more lives will they take? Backed into a Corner at Every Turn On May 15, Press Secretary and official White House liar Ari Fleischer nervously stuttered, The president did not receive information about the use of airplanes as missiles by suicide bombers. This was a new type of attack that was not foreseen. This was followed by Condoleeza Rice, who repeated the spin: I don't think that anyone could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center. Bush himself issued a statement that he had no indication beforehand that terrorists would hijack jets and deliberately crash them. The White House would have us believe that not a single individual in the entire US government, nor the entire Central Intelligence Agency, had knowledge about a method of terrorism that has been routine for more than 20 years. And that not a single person in the entire national security apparatus of the US had a shred of information on training camps in Iran (a hotspot of intense US intelligence focus for decades) devoted to this method of terrorism. Yossef Bodansky is a director of the Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare in the US House of Representatives, and the author of the book Bin Laden: The Man Who Targeted America. Bodansky is a Washington insider whose views are sought after, respected and broadly disseminated throughout the US government. In a well-publicized paper from 1993, he stated, The training of suicide pilots started in the Busher air base in Iran in the early 1980s with some 90 Pilatus PC-7 aircraft purchased from Switzerland. According to a former trainee in Wakilibad (a base for the training of kamikaze pilots), one of the exercises included having an Islamic Jihad detachment seize (or hijack) a transport aircraft. Then trained air crews from among the terrorists would crash the airliner with its passengers into a selected objective, he wrote. The leading terrorists are known as 'Afghans,' having been trained with the mujahadeen in Pakistan. Some fought in Afghanistan. Muslim volunteers from several Arab and Asian countries were encouraged to come to Pakistan and join the Afghan Jihad. (Source: Target America: Terrorism in the US Today, 1993. Islamic Terrorism in the United States, National Security Caucus, 1996.) The Bush administration would have us believe that a subject that was written about in books and discussed openly throughout Washington is unimaginable. They would also have us believe that they, and their intelligence operatives, have been unaware of some of the most spectacular and horrific terrorist operations in recent historymany of them directed at the United States. Yet: On December 29, 1994, four terrorists alleged to have ties to Osama bin Laden hijacked Air France Flight 8969, a flight from Algiers to Paris. They loaded the plane with explosives and filled it with extra fuel, with the intent of ramming it into the Eiffel Tower. Commandos stormed the plane and killed the hijackers. (Source: NBC News. September 30, 2001. Chris Hansen, The Lesson of Air France Flight 8969) A full seven years before September 11, an al-Qaeda suicide hijacking is partially executed and barely stopped by French intelligence. The Bush administration would have us believe that no one in the CIA had ever heard of such a thing. Another suicide hijacking plot was discovered six years before September 11. Ramsey Youssef, the terrorist who masterminded the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center had detailed plans to hijack and crash commercial airliners into buildings in the US, and blow up 12 US airliners during international flights over a two-day period. This plot, known as Operation Bojinka, was discovered by Philippine
[CTRL] Non-Lethals Turned on Curio
-Caveat Lector- http://www.konformist.com/2002/curio.htm The Konformist Non-Lethals Turned on Curio Alex Constantine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Note: For years now, Curio has posted documentation concerning ritual child abuse - one of the most disgusting crimes imaginable - on the Net, and was smeared for it, insulted, stressed by Dr. Michael Aquino's harassment lawsuits. She is one of the most effective RA activists on the Web and now she is under assault by unknowns with access to the DoD's classified non-lethals. She has suffered long bouts of sleep deprivation so severe that she lost her job and she is currently unemployed. Her health is in evident decline. The idiots doing this are bereft of conscience. My name is Diana Napolis aka Karen Curio Jones My professional background includes being a child abuse juvenile court investigator during 1990-1996 for a county agency. From the years 1996-2001 I worked with the Family Court System monitoring visitations between parents and children. Over the past 10 years I have researched satanic ritual crime networks, mind control and the ritual abuse of children. I was never a victim of this activity before but only a survivor/child advocate. In 1995 began using the world-wide web to communicate information about my research involving these horrendous activities perpetrated against children and adults. I used an anonymous pseudonym to identify myself for safety reasons. After an extensive search conducted by those whom I believe felt threatened by the information I was providing, I was then stalked and photographed. On Sept. 24, 2000 a peculiarly biased newspaper article was written about me in my local newspaper. See my response: http://www.topcities.com/response2.htm In November 2000 I experienced someone making internal/psychic contact with me. In March 2001, I experienced being abducted from my home via an unknown technology. My life then drastically changed. In approximately January 2001 a beeping sound began in my left ear and I was continually monitored in some way. Due to lack of sleep I was unable to work full time. I was then accessed by it. During the months of May and July 2001 changes were made to my body and internal structure. For a short time I experienced these changes as potentially positive in nature. I then experienced something akin to what I had been researching - a mind control program of unknown origin that was installed in my mind. I heard low chanting sounding music in the left hemisphere of my brain and heavenly music in my right hemisphere. I was told I was in the Heaven and Hell program. I began channeling a group of people or entities. I was subjected to various tests and I was involved in a great deal of telepathic activity. It appears that there were competing forces at work within me and a struggle began involving extraterrestrial intelligences. I was told this and I experienced it. I found that I was judged within their system and sentenced to Hell within their computer system. My energy field changed and my heart began behaving abnormally. My digestive system was impacted and I became thinner and thinner. What I originally thought was positive contact quickly became something else. I went to several hospitals trying to discover if assistance could be provided. I discovered that the medical mainstream community provided no answers or positive intervention. As of August 13, 2001, my state of health has now deteriorated to a point that it is difficult to function. I was led to believe that there were a group of competing extraterrestrials occupying the earth and they had somewhat different motivatons -- but perhaps similar means to the end. I believe that this poses a significant threat to our world and I would ask all to reconsider what it really means to have alien contact. I urge all parties of interest in this phenomena in any form or fashion to realize that the human race is special because of the qualities which we can bring to our service to others and grow as beings in the spirit of love, compassion, strength and wisdom. I believe that my state of health, which is deteriorating rapidly, is directly related to technology of unknown origin which has impacted my system and poses a threat to others. If anyone experiences psychic phenomena of unknown phenomena, I would urge all parties to not trust the message of the original contact. I have discovered that high-tech virtual reality is being used and psychological manipulation is used to try to take control of and destroy others. I also experienced an extraction of my internal substances. What's of particular concern about this is that in some of this imagery there are real consequences if acted upon. It appears that there is a computer program in which some of the ET's believe they are Gods and they are collecting souls. I consider this a grave threat to society and other people need to be informed. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER
[CTRL] Diana Napolis: Satanism and Ritual Abuse Archive
-Caveat Lector- http://www.newsmakingnews.com/karencuriojonesarchive.htm The following cases describe legal proceedings held in Juvenile, Family, Civil and Criminal Courts around the world where there have been allegations of Satanism or the use of Ritual to abuse others. Any religion or organization can be used as a front to hide ritual abuse activity, including Christianity, Buddhism, Shamanism, Hinduism, Masonry, Mormonism, Pagan and Satanic religions; however, not all satanists commit crimes and not all occultism is satanism. It is imperative that investigators and professionals familiarize themselves with cross-cultural belief systems so as not to target any particular group. This archive was compiled by Diana Napolis aka Karen Jones. If there are any corrections or updates that need to be made, please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Warning: Some of the following cases depict graphic, violent activity. (see site for archive and links) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Media, 9/11 Foreknowledge, And The Hidden Discovery
-Caveat Lector- http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=27154 John Greenewald, Jr. The Media, 9/11 Foreknowledge, And The Hidden Discovery Mon May 20 15:46:09 2002 63.201.185.170 The Media, 9/11 Foreknowledge, And The Hidden Discovery By John Greenewald, Jr. NORTHRIDGE (BlackVault.com .:iTBV #1) - May 20th, 2002 - Websters Dictionary defines 'coincidence' as, ''A sequence of events that although accidental seems to have been planned or arranged.'' On September 11th, 2001, the day that will live in all of our hearts forever, two many coincidences occurred that truly cannot be ignored. And months after the American public was told to ignore the 'conspiracy theories' surrounding this horrible event, the U.S. Government admits that there was knowledge prior to 9/11 that the government did not do enough about. The Black Vault made a discovery in January that supported this once theory, now fact, that government had some kind of 'hidden premonition' before September 11th. This premonition was the research by the ''Congressional Research Service'' or better known as the CRS branch of Congress, researching the horrible threats and abilities of known terrorist organizations, focusing on one primarily -- Al Qaeda. The Al Qaeda organization was said in this report to be the number one organization to watch out for. Their past and present of plotting against the U.S. and/or U.S. interests abroad proved that this was a group we should not forget about. The CRS conducted their research, and created a report entitled, ''Terrorism: Near Eastern Groups and State Sponsors, 2001'' and was published on the date of September 10th, 2001. Just one day prior to the infamous day we will never forget! Was this a coincidence, or a horrible 'conspiracy theory' just waiting to happen? So The Black Vault took the information, created a small press release, and forwarded it around in January of 2002. Who published this? Really, but a few organizations, no major media, and no major news channels published the piece. Was this newsworthy? Possibly, but the fact remains, the government admits to some kind of prior knowledge, and this shred of evidence now greatly supports this fact, months before an admittance. Why does the media ignore such facts? The original article is backed by documentation to support each and everything it says, but the media turns the other way. A headline just last week on MSNBC told of knowledge on the White House desk 'two days prior to 9/11'. IF ONLY THE MEDIA WOULD PAY ATTENTION! The Black Vault sent an even more convincing report about a full-blown investigation into Al Qaeda and like organizations, which was published only 'one day' prior to 9/11. In a world where media is more interested in the bottom dollar than actually reporting the news, we should only expect such ignorance to topics that deserve attention. This fact alone will take 'conspiracy theorists' to the next level, and will be forced to add the fact the media is controlled, and reports news only when Uncle Sam says they can report it. Fact, fiction or is this a never-ending 'conspiracy theory'? Did the U.S. Government know September 11th was going to happen? Possibly, but the fact remains, the coincidences behind the events that unfolding are disturbing. I think we can truly only leave with the words of next time, ''Pay Attention!''. The September 10th report can be found at: http://www.bvalphaserver.com/sections.php?op=viewarticleartid=266 .:iTBV is a weekly column by The Black Vault website focusing on all sorts of subjects. Websites are encouraged to forward this report/article to their users, and keep all copyrights and links in tact. © Copyright 2002 The Black Vault (http://www.blackvault.com) A look into the past The following was published on The Black Vault on January 21, 2002: September 11th: The Hidden Premonition By John Greenewald, Jr. NORTHRIDGE (BlackVault) - A UFO seen seconds on video before the World Trade Center attack, a face of a skull appearing of billows of black smoke arising from the Twin Towers, all odd occurrences spread across the internet after the attack on America, on September 11th of 2001. As the eye can be easily tricked, with the mind quick to follow, one other odd occurrence happened near this time, that can't as easily be dismissed. A report made by Congressional Research Service (CRS) on Terrorism, with warnings on Osama Bin Laden and his terrorist organization Al Qaeda. That point not too convincing, the report date of this publication is, September 10th, 2001. One day before the attacks that brought down these architectural wonders, the CRS, a research department for Congress which is part of the Library of Congress, issued, Terrorism: Near Eastern Groups and State Sponsors, 2001. Dated September 10th, 2001, this report outlined in great detail all terrorist organizations and their potential threat. Top of the list, of course, was Al Qaeda. Though
[CTRL] 9/10/01 CRS Report for Congress
-Caveat Lector- http://www.bvalphaserver.com/sections.php?op=viewarticleartid=266 Terrorism: Near Eastern Groups and State Sponsors [42 Pages] Terrorism: Near Eastern Groups and State Sponsors Abstract: Signs continue to point to a decline in state sponsorship of terrorism, as well as a rise in the scope of threat posed by the independent network of exiled Saudi dissident Usama bin Ladin. During the 1980s and the early 1990s, Iran and terrorist groups it sponsors were responsible for the most politically significant acts of Middle Eastern terrorism. Although Iran continues to actively sponsor terrorist groups, since 1997 some major factions within Iran have sought to change Iran s image to that of a more constructive force in the region. Pressured by international sanctions and isolation, Sudan and Libya appear to have sharply reduced their support for international terrorist groups, and Sudan has told the United States it wants to work to achieve removal from the terrorism list. Click here to download the document [2.4 mb] http://www.blackvault.com/documents/ADA395239.pdf CRS Report for Congress Terrorism: Near Eastern Groups and State Sponsors, 2001 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Diana Napolis - San Diego Tribune Article by Mark Sauer
-Caveat Lector- http://users.cybercity.dk/~ccc44406/smwane/Curio.html --- From http://www.uniontrib.com/news/uniontrib/sun/currents/news_mz1c24curio.html --- A web of intrigue The search for Curio leads cybersleuths down a twisted path By Mark Sauer September 24, 2000 Armed with a telephoto lens and a laptop computer with a hidden camera, Michelle Devereaux headed south from San Francisco on a mission to find Curio. Devereaux and her friend Barry camped out for hours at the computer lab in SDSU' s Love Library, Curio' s favorite place for launching salvos in her cyberspace campaign. Curio didn' t show. Just when Devereaux was about to give up, however, she spotted a trim, middle-aged woman with longish brown hair sitting amid the forest of computer terminals. Was it Curio? Devereaux had seen her once, even chatted with her briefly, on a reconnaissance tour of the computer lab a month before. But she had to be sure. She dispatched Barry with the laptop camera to a vacant machine across from their target with orders to start snapping surreptitiously. Then Devereaux took out a monocular so she could get a long-range view of what the woman was reading on her screen. Bingo! Devereaux hastily scribbled a note to Barry: It' s Curio! She' s reading an e-mail I sent her last night! She handed the note to the student sitting next to her: Would you please give this to that guy over there, the one with the baseball cap that says ' Psycho' ? The kid looked at her like she was crazy, but did as Devereaux requested. A dozen or more people from San Diego to Washington State and beyond -- all victims of Curio' s Internet missives -- had been trying to unmask the notorious cyber crusader for nearly five years. Now Devereaux had her in the cross hairs. But the photos wouldn' t be enough. She hatched a plan: Barry would wait out front with the telephoto lens. Devereaux would pick the right moment and approach Curio; she' d get spooked, head for the parking lot and Barry would photograph her license plate. Then they' d have her. It would have worked, too, if Barry hadn' t got bored waiting and gone back inside for a soda. Curio got away on that day last October. The photos of her from the secret camera weren' t that clear; nobody recognized the woman staring at the SDSU computer screen. It would be another eight months before those who have railed against her online, have sued her, have traded implied threats with her and reported her to the police would get the answer to the question tormenting them: Who is Curio and why is she saying such nasty things about us on the Internet? Amid her many hundreds of Internet postings, Curio offers several glimpses into her background. In May 1997 she wrote that she had worked in many facets of the child-abuse field for 10 years. She had seen all manner of atrocities committed against children and witnessed all types of adult games played to avoid culpability. Ten years earlier, Curio learned of a new form of child abuse. Having a 17-year personal background in the ' occult' has educated me about types of individuals who walk this path. My particular interest is in the subject of ritual abuse. The words ritual abuse were often preceded by the word satanic in a debate that raged across America for 15 years, from the early 1980s to mid-' 90s. Certain psychotherapists and some police investigators and prosecutors purported to have evidence of underground cults, satanic and otherwise, who had taken control of day-care centers and were abusing preschoolers in blood rituals. These supposedly involved animal -- and even human -- sacrifice, cannibalism, torture and all manner of sexual abuse. The ritual-abuse scare rocked the nation. The McMartin Pre-School case in Manhattan Beach in the early ' 80s was followed by the Dale Akiki prosecution in San Diego and scores of similar cases around the United States, Canada, Britain and Australia. The media stories were endless. Following the acquittals of the McMartin defendants and Akiki (who won more than $3 million from local authorities in a civil lawsuit), the theory of a satanic-ritual-abuse conspiracy was discredited by mental-health experts and the co. A 10-year investigation of satanic-ritual-abuse allegations by FBI Special Agent Ken Lanning turned up virtually nothing. Yet certain people persist in their belief in these heinous crimes against children. Curio claims to be able to document 50 such cases worldwide. In her zeal to protect young victims, Curio has posted extensive information about notable individuals who worked hard over the years to debunk the notion of satanic-ritual abuse. Most of these people have stated their conclusions regarding ritual abuse in public forums and have been questioned in open court, where no one is anonymous. But now they were being challenged -- libeled, in their words -- by someone who operated at a distinct advantage. Curio
[CTRL] Diana Napolis Responds to San Diego Tribune Article by Mark Sauer
-Caveat Lector- (Diana Napolis aka Karen Curio Jones responds) http://www.konformist.com/2002/curio-tribune2.htm Ritual Abuse Victims Advocate Responds to Defamatory Article in the San Diego Union-Tribune PROBLEMS FOR VICTIMS OF RITUAL ABUSE IN SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA January 1, 2001 Response by Karen Curio Jones to Mark Sauer's article, A Web of Intrigue in the San Diego Union-Tribune, dated September 24, 2000 For the past several years I have been an advocate for victims of child ritual abuse and have published information on the world-wide web in an effort to educate the public about these disturbing crimes. I have posted information under various pseudonyms in an attempt to protect myself from physical retaliation, harassment, unfounded complaints to law enforcement or other authorities, and frivolous lawsuits. See the Anti-SLAPP web page for an explanation of California legislation to protect first amendment rights of individuals sued in Strategic Lawsuits Against Public Participation, i.e., getting sued for speaking out. http://www.sirius.com/~casp/welcome.html Since 1998, I have published an archive of Family, Juvenile, Criminal and Civil Court cases on the internet, which involve allegations of satanism and ritual abuse (link to Satanism and Ritual Abuse). This information is taken from appellate documents, news reports, and occasional private sources. Based on this evidence, it seems reasonable to conclude that there is sufficient information to warrant specialized training for law enforcement (which there is in San Diego County), social services, and the mental health and medical professions in order to effectively investigate and assess these complex cases, as well as to provide treatment for the victims or perpetrators. Such training must include critical analysis of the historical and psychological data on cults and the traumatogenic effects of abuse. On 9/24/2000, reporter Mark Sauer wrote an explicitly invasive and defamatory article about this writer in the San Diego Union-Tribune entitled A Web of Intrigue. His writing suggests support for individuals attempting to expose the identity of private citizens who are exercising their right to anonymity on the internet. In support of this article, Mr. Sauer quotes his associates, Carol Hopkins, who founded an organization called the Justice Committee, and Dr. Elizabeth Loftus from the False Memory Syndrome Foundation (FMSF). He also quotes satanic cult leader Michael Aquino from the Temple of Set, and Michelle Devereaux, a woman who used to think she was a victim of satanic cults. I have been researching the tactics used against people who speak out against cult activity and against therapists who treat their victims. My research suggests that there exists a calculated effort to silence victim advocates through the use of manipulative set-ups, misinformation and intimidation. I believe that Mr. Sauer's article is a result of these tactics. One can also observe this activity on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list, where advocates of abuse victims, including myself, have been the subject of rude, ad hominem remarks such as kook nut crazy or demented. I believe the purpose of this behavior is to drive off any serious opposition from the internet and to discredit opponents. Maintaining my position against group assault from supporters of VOCAL (Victims of Child Abuse Laws), the FMSF, various satanists, and those promoting North American Man/Boy Love (NAMBLA) material sometimes presents as a considerable challenge, but I've always considered it a form of field investigation - to research the natives, so to speak. Mr. Sauer quotes his associate, Ms. Carol Hopkins, as follows: Ms. Hopkins accuses Curio...Her criticism of me on the internet was constant...She accused me of protecting child molesters, claimed I don't believe child abuse exists, insinuated I was a child molester. Curio was a big factor in my decision to give up the Justice Committee. Mr. Sauer fails to inform the reader that Ms. Hopkins has been publicly criticized for her positions on child abuse matters in San Diego. Ms. Hopkins was a member of a Grand Jury in San Diego, California in 1991-92 which criticized Child Protection Services and the District Attorney's handling of child abuse cases (1). This Jury was composed primarily of lay people with no training or expertise in child abuse investigations and argued to dismantle CPS's existing objective, rational protocol for ritual abuse investigations. The Grand Jury also advocated the positions of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation (FMSF) in their report -- four months after its inception. (The FMSF appears to have an extraordinary interest in discrediting ritual abuse cases and has never proven the existence of a false memory syndrome, today or at that time). Another Grand Jury was convened the next year and the subsequent 1992-93 Grand Jury report corrected what they deemed to be misinformation by the previous 91-92 Grand Jury
[CTRL] Alex Constantine on the Stalking of Curio Jones (Diana Napolis)
-Caveat Lector- http://alexconstantine.50megs.com/stalking_curio.html Stalking Curio Jones - An Open Letter to the San Diego Union-Tribune By Alex Constantine The stalkers have arrived with bells on. Armed with a telephoto lens and a laptop computer with a hidden camera, San Diego Union-Tribune reporter Mark Sauer informs us, Michelle Devereaux headed south from San Francisco on a mission to find Curio.1 Ms. Devereaux, a vociferous member of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation (FMSF), and Barry, a friend, camped out for hours at the computer lab in San Diego State University's Love Library, patiently waiting for Curio to arrive and log on at the library's computer lab. Devereaux, 43, has, according to Sauer, a plethora of tattoos and body piercings and an extraordinary knowledge of cyberspace after 20 years in the computer business. She and her fellow cyber-sleuth hoped to catch Curio in the act - not of a crime, mind, not even a misdemeanor, but of posting documentation on organized child molestation and expressing opinions on the same in the Internet's Usenet newsgroups, a public forum. What's up with that? In her zeal to protect 'young victims,' Sauer explains, Curio has posted extensive information about notable individuals who worked hard over the years to debunk the notion of satanic-ritual abuse. Among the notables targeted by Curio, count ... DR. RALPH C. UNDERWAGER - Former director of the FMSF, forced to resign in 1993 after it was widely reported that he'd opined in Paidika (Darling, in Greek), a journal published by and for pedophiles, that they should proclaim it God's will that adults engage in sex acts with children. Nevertheless, he is often quoted in the media and has appeared as an expert in over 100 child abuse trials. In 1988, a New York State court decision held that Underwager was not qualified to render any opinion as to whether or not [a child] was sexually molested. This was painfully clear on December 19, 1993, when the London Times reported his reference to unspecified scientific evidence that demonstrated 60% of women sexually abused as children reported that the experience had been GOOD for them. He contended the same should be true for boys involved with pedophiles. Underwager blames feminists for the current climate of rancor toward pedophiles because they are jealous of men's ability to love other men or children and have stirred up hysteria over pedophilia.2 MICHAEL AQUINO - A former military intelligence officer with top-security clearance at the Pentagon and the disgraced high priest of the Temple of Set in San Francisco, a quasi-Satanic sect that dabbles in Nazi occultism and invisibility, among other quack pursuits. In 1984-85, Curio wrote in one of her Internet postings, there were reports of sexual-ritual abuse at Jubilation Daycare, operated by Barbara and Sharon Orr in Fort Bragg, Northern California. This case was investigated by Mendocino County Sheriff deputies. Eventually some 400 pages of reports were submitted, but the DA declined to prosecute, resulting in no criminal charges filed against the Orrs. Due to the fact they had a history of complaints against their daycare center, some of which were upheld and one cited a child experiencing unusual punishment, the Orrs ultimately surrendered their childcare license in 1984. (The case is detailed in Treating Survivors of Satanist Abuse, by Pamela Hudson, a therapist who provided counseling to children allegedly abused at the daycare center.) Aquino was implicated in a related scandal at the Presidio Army base, but the SFPD abandoned the probe in August 1988. Michael Aquino insists there was no substance to the charges, and the Pentagon dropped them. However, says Curio, the Army's public position is in stark contrast to their actual stated position as described in a transcript of the hearing on the motion to dismiss dated May 31, 1991. He sued the Army in part because they refused to remove his name from the titling block or amend their report stating he was the subject of an investigation for sexual abuse and related crimes. The court document notes that several members of the Army thought there was probable cause to 'Title' Aquino with offenses of indecent acts with a child, sodomy, conspiracy, kidnapping, and false swearing.3 Aquino has twice attempted to sue ElectriCiti, Curio's ISP server, and twice the case was tossed out of court, with prejudice. ELIZABETH LOFTUS - Another board member of the FMSF. Loftus's academic interests have long fueled suspicions that the organization, which defends accused child abusers and pedophiles in the courtroom and the press, is more concerned with supporting the accused than ferreting out the facts. Before she joined the FMSF, Loftus testified in 150 criminal cases, always on behalf of defendants. Critics, she concedes, find her research to be highly prejudicial. (Mark Sauer, however, claims that Loftus is an
[CTRL] Michael Aquino, Man in Black by Alex Constantine
-Caveat Lector- ttp://alexconstantine.50megs.com/ The Constantine Report Michael Aquino, Man in Black By Alex Constantine The uncanny attraction of the Third Reich â Nazi Germany â lies in the fact that it endorsed and practiced both dynamism and life-worship without restraint and to a world-shaking degree of success.- Michael Aquino - To hear High Priest Michael Aquino tell it, his Temple of Set, a splinter group of San Franciscoâs Church of Satan, is no more sinister than the Order of Woodcraft Chivalry. Setianism, he insists, is a legitimate and ethical religion, incorporated as such in California in 1975 and enjoying since that time full state and federal recognition as a religious institution. [M. Aquino letter to A. Constantine, Sept. 27, 2000] Aquino denies any suggestion of Satanism at the Temple of Set. The cult does not believe in âSatanâ -â our mythology is ancient-Egyptian, after all. [Ibid.] But he has described himself in Temple literature as the Anti-Christ and published essays on Greater and Lesser Black Magic. [SF Chronicle, November 3, 1987, A-7]] Don Webb, a priest in the Temple of Set, describes it as a Satanic religion. The Setian, Webb writes, chooses as role model a âgod against the gods.â We choose an archetype that corresponds with the disharmonizing part of our own psychesâ¦. This role model is the âLord of this World,â who is rejected by the Right Hand Path as the Prince of Darkness. [in Webbâs The Black Beyond Black: The Temple of Set.] Visitors to the Templeâs Web site are met by a blazing white pentagram, and the Temple answering machine has boasted that the caller has reached the only international Satanic religious institution recognized by the government. [San Francisco Chronicle, June 24, 1994, p. D7] The decorated veteran of the Armyâs 306th Psychological Operations Battalion is obviously as skilled in the art of black propaganda as he is black magic. (Please visit website for full article - it was too long to copy here.) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Proof that Bush and Cheney are Trying to Scare Us Away from Their Failures
fwd ---BeginMessage--- http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2002/05/20/MN149200.DTL San Francisco Chronicle Chatter leaves alert system idling on yellow ROB MORSE Monday, May 20, 2002 ©2002 San Francisco Chronicle URL: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2002/05/20/MN149200.DTL Condoleezza Rice was on the radio and TV Sunday morning asking us to remain vigilant. She said there are specific nonspecific threats, chatter in the system, spikes in activity indicating that al Qaeda may launch another terrorist operation. So why was the terrorist threat level on the Web site of the Office of Homeland Security still stuck at yellow Sunday the way it has been for months? Attention, Tom Ridge, I am curious. Yellow? Somehow I think most of the chatter in the system has been in Washington. Our list is opt-IN only. PO Box 618354 Chicago, IL 60661-8354 To remove yourself from further mailings, please click the link below to unsubscribe. - This email powered by EmailFactory The Web-Based Precision Opt-In Email Marketing Solution. BR BR To UNSUBSCRIBE from this mailing list, go to: a href=http://bye.emf3.com/handler.cfm?idAddress=L9635656637.38353;http://bye.emf3.com/handler.cfm?idAddress=L9635656637.38353 /a If you are unable to click, copy and paste this URL into your browser: http://bye.emf3.com/handler.cfm?idAddress=L9635656637.38353 ---End Message---
[CTRL] Barry Crimmins - Fwd: Crimquips 5-20- '02
fwd In a message dated 5/20/02 5:19:28 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have you noticed how the risk of Al Qaeda attacks seems to increase exponentially whenever there is a risk of truth coming out about the Court-appointed Bush Administration? ---BeginMessage--- Quips Comments 5-20- '02 by Barry Crimmins http://www.barrycrimmins.com Far right-wing Colombian presidential candidate Álvaro Uribe is promising that if elected he will double the size of the country's army and police force as well as organize organize one million villagers to serve as informants. You have to figure the main peasant organizing tool will be the automatic weapons carried by all those soldiers and cops. Peasants who resist the allure of becoming informants will be organized into mass graves. Undaunted by its failure to help overthrow Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, the New York Times soiled itself again yesterday by running a puff piece about Uribe. But don't worry, after he kills several thousand peasants, the Times will consider printing an apology. What's more shocking? The fact that Bush knew something or the fact that Bush knew anything? Did you catch Ari Fleischer at Friday's White House press briefing? He looked like he was auditioning for work as a tomato can on FOX's Celebrity Boxing. Court-appointed President Bush threw a tantrum in the form of a rambling speech before Republican Senators at a private gathering last Thursday. Bush, raging and incoherent, caused the assembled senators great discomfort and embarrassment. So if anyone ever says Bush never accomplished anything remind them that he actually managed to make a group that included Trent Lott, Jesse Helms and Orrin Hatch feel shame. After hearing the speech several senators drafted legislation that would make it illegal for Bush to ever speak extemporaneously again. Bush's wigging out is reminiscent of when Ronald Reagan, upset about Iran-Contra revelations, said, I have a bitter bile in my throat. To which we responded, Oh no, his brain is leaking!. Laura Bush came to W's defense concerning 9-11 saying that it was, very sad that people would play upon the victims families emotions, or all Americans emotions. She then resumed work on the American flag bodysuit, featuring a special inlay of the flaming towers, she was sewing for her husband. In a speech meant to counter Jimmy Carter's recent conversion to sanity concerning Cuba, Bush said a first step toward normal relations between Havana and Washington would require certifiably free and fair elections. If it happens in 2004 all Americans will owe Fidel Castro a debt of gratitude. In the Cuba speech, W said the walls of oppression cannot stand when the floodgates of information are opened -- which explains why he's so damned hypervigilant about White House leaks. Bush proposed a resumption of direct mail connections with Cuba in hopes that at least some anthrax spores, created by the U.S. military and proven lethal in domestic field tests, might find their way to the island nation. Bush's shamelessness is boundless. He lectures Cuba, speaking from a stolen office in which he stonewalls vital information, is at the beck and call of nefarious special interests and works as a cheesy hawker of photos commemorating a disaster that might have been averted had he half a brain, even a mild work ethic or a staff interested in doing anything but furthering his corrupt regime's dastardly assault on peace, environmental sanity and human rights. Yet he feels not an inkling of embarrassment as he browbeats a country he's trying to starve about how it can become moral enough to find its way into his good graces. Trouble is, George W. Bush is neither good nor gracious. The Bush defense is to claim that all they were expecting pre-911 were old-fashioned hijackings so there was no need to warn the public about them. Imagine if the weather service employed the same logic. We were only expecting an ice storm, not a blizzard so we saw no need to issue travel advisories. If they don't stop letting Condaleezza Rice appear on television the only person who is going to continue to believe she is an intellectual will be W. But then to Bush's thinking, Adam Sandler is an intellectual. Why does Shadow Governor Cheney only speak in public when he wants to remind us that nothing should be said in public? Two TV appearances yesterday and Cheney still failed to disclose any details of his Enrongy policy meetings of last year. Dick Ignore that scam behind the curtain!Cheney. In a Sunday FOX NEWS appearance Cheney said, I've got a real problem with the suggestion that somehow my president had information and failed to act upon it to prevent the attack of Sept. 11. Well at least he finally admitted to whom Bush belongs. The court-appointed veep maintains that Bush handled pre-911 intelligence properly. He performed his duties beautifully. He called me right way and passed along the
[CTRL] Fwd: READ THIS - LIST OF MEDIA CONTACTS
fwd ---BeginMessage--- --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], johnehorne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: c/o Vreeland I just cut pasted so links may be wrong, but from this site: http://pub61.ezboard.com/fltvreelanddotcomfrm3.showMessage?topicID=83.topic this link has a list of addresses phone #'s http://www.kosherdelight.com/newslinks.htm *** Subj: READ THIS!!! Some numbers to make your day ABC abcnews.comABC News 47 West 66th Street New York, NY 10023212-456-David Westin 212-456-6200 Foreign Desk Editor: Chuck Lustig 212-456-2800 212-456-4297 Feedback mailto:netaudr@a... Aish HaTorah Branches Good Morning America abcnews.go.com/onair/good...x.html147 Columbus Ave. New York, NY 10023212-456-5900Charles Gibson: 212-456-5900 Diane Sawyer: 212-456-5900 212-456-5964Feedback mailto:gmaaolm@a... Chabad Centers Hillel Houses Nightline abcnews.go.com/onair/nighhtml1717 DeSales Street, NW Washington, DC 20036202-202-7000Anchor/Managing Editor: Ted Koppel 202-222-7364 202-222-7976Feedback abcnews.go.com/onair/Nigh...form.html and [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:ntline@a... Young Israel Synagogues NCSY Branches in USA This Week abcnews.go.com/onair/thishtml1717 DeSales Street, NW Washington, DC 20036202-222-7100Hosts: Sam Donaldson 202-222-7090 Cokie Roberts 202-222-7259 Commentators: George Stephanopoulos 212-854-6399 George Will 202-222-7375202-222-7074Feedback abcnews.go.com/onair/This...form.html B'nai Akiva Branches Bnai Brith 20/20 abcnews.go.com/onair/2020...x.html147 Columbus Ave, 10th Floor New York, NY 10023212-456-2020Anchors: Barbara Waltrs: 212-456-7050 Connie Chung: 212-456-2020 Sam Donaldson: 212-222-7090 Jack Ford: 212-456-2020 Charles Gibson: 212-456-2020 Diane Sawyer: 212-456-2020212-456-2969Feedback mailto:2020@a... World News Saturday/Sunday abcnews.go.com/onair/worl...dex.html4 7 West 66th Street, New York, NY 10023212-456-4083Sunday Anchor: Carole Simpson: 212-456-4040 Saturday Anchors: Aaron Brown: 212-456-4040 Elizabeth Vargas: 212-456-4083 Executive Producer: Kathryn O'Hearn: 212-456-4040Feedback abcnews.go.com/onair/Worl...form.html World News This Morning47 West 66th Street, New York, NY 10023212-456-4413Anchors: Juju Chang:212-456-4413 Senior Producer: Penny Britell:212-456-4413212-456-3464 World News Tonight with Peter Jennings abcnews.go.com/onair/worl...ex.html47 West 66th Street, New York, NY 10023212-456-4040Anchor/Senior Editor: Peter Jennings: 212-456-4040 Executive Producer: Paul Slavin:212-456-4040Feedback abcnews.go.com/onair/Worl...form.html CBS News cbsnews.com/CBS News 524 West 57th Street, New York, NY 10019212-975-4321CEO: Mel Karmazin 212-975-4321 President/CEO of CBS Television: Leslie Moonves:323-575-2345 CBS News President: Andrew Heyward:212-975-7825 Foreign Editor: Allen Alter: 212-975-3019212-975-7429Feedback cbsnews.com/feedback/fram...2,00.html CBS Evening News with Dan Rather cbsnews.com/now/section/0shtmlCBS News 524 West 57th Street, Studio 47 New York, NY 10019212-975-3691 (NY) 202-457-4385 (DC)Anchor/Managing Editor: Dan Rather:212-975-6677 Executive Producer: Al Ortiz 212-975-3691 Senior Producers: Gavin Boyle: 212 975-7999 Wayne Nelson: 212-975-3691 Pat Shevlin: 212-975-3691212-975-1893Feedback cbsnews.com/feedback/fram...2,00.html CBS Morning News cbsnews.com/now/section/0shtmlCBS News 524 West 57th Street, Studio 47 New York, NY 10019212-975-2824Anchor: Thalia Assuras:212-975-2824 Executive Producer: Al Berman: 212-975-2824212-975-7133Feedback cbsnews.com/feedback/fram...2,00.html CBS This Morning www.cbsnews.com524 West 57th Street, Studio 47 New York, NY 10019212-975-2824Anchors: Mark McEwen: 212-975-7992 Julie Chen: 212-975-2824 Thalia Assuras: 212-975-2824 Executive producer: Al Berman: 212-975-2824 News Coordinating producer: Kevin Rochford: 212-975-2824212-975-2033 or 212-975-7133Feedback cbsnews.com/feedback/fram...2,00.html CBS Weekend News www.cbsnews.com524 West 57th Street New York, NY 10019212-975-2086Anchor: John Roberts: 212-975- Executive Producer: Lyne Bowens: 212-975-2258 Senior Producer: Dick Jefferson:202-975-7266212-975-8990Feedback cbsnews.com/feedback/fram...2,00.html Face the Nation cbsnews.com/now/section/0...shtml2020 M Street, NW Washington, DC 20036202-457-4481Anchor: Bob Schieffer:202-457-4428 Executive Producer: Carin Pratt:202-457-4481202-466-6237Feedback cbsnews.com/feedback/fram...2,00.html 48 Hours cbsnews.com/now/section/0shtml524 West 57th Street, 5th Floor New York, NY 10019212-975-2888Anchor: Dan Rather: 212-975-6677 Executive Producer: Susan Zirinsky:212-975-4848212-975-5797Feedback cbsnews.com/feedback/fram...2,00.html 60 Minutes cbsnews.com/now/section/0shtml555 West 57th Street New York, NY 10019212-975-2006 or 212-975-4321Correspondents: Christiane Amanpour:212-975-2006 Ed Bradley: 212-975-8855 Steve Kroft:212-975-7494 Morley Safer:212-975-4936 Lesley Stahl: 212-975-8726 Mike Wallace: 212-975-2997 Executive Producer: Don Hewitt:212-975-2867212-757-6975Feedback
[CTRL] Why Israel's 'seruvniks' say enough is enough
-Caveat Lector- http://www.observer.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,717559,00.html Why Israel's 'seruvniks' say enough is enough excerpt The laywer representing Israeli conscripts who refuse to serve beyond the 1967 ceasefire lines explains why a growing number of soldiers are disobeying orders, in order to protect the basic values on which Israel was founded. Michael Sfard Sunday May 19, 2002 It is said that in the first few years of the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, no one seriously thought of holding on to these territories forever. It was at the time widely assumed, that these newly conquered lands were to be handed back to the Arabs as part of a peace agreement. I don't remember those days. (please visit site for full aricle) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Bush Moves To Create An Imperial Presidency
fwd ---BeginMessage--- Bush Moves To Create An Imperial Presidency, Or Is It The Dictatorship He Has Pined For? http://detnews.com/2002/politics/0205/20/a03-494211.htm From the Detroit News Bush out to beef up presidency Critics claim office is more potent now than at any time in recent history. By Bill Straub / Scripps Howard News Service Bill Clark / Scripps Howard News Service WASHINGTON -- It's not a bad job considering it comes with a rent-free mansion and door-to-door limousine service, but President Bush maintains that the position he holds as the leader of the free world should come with an additional perk -- power. Bush says the inherent powers of the presidency have eroded to an unsettling degree over the past 30 years and he is moving to reclaim the lost prerogatives of the nation's highest office. He has drawn a distinct line that he has suggested no one dare cross. I have an obligation to make sure that the presidency remains robust and that the legislative branch doesn't end up running the executive branch, Bush said. Ari Fleischer, the president's press secretary, said presidential powers have been diminished in multiple ways as part of a long-standing, gradual process. The president has little say in how the nation's budget is devised and constraints exist over how he uses the military. Congress also has placed restrictions on the president in military matters with the War Powers Resolution of 1973, Fleischer said. And the spate of congressional investigations into administration activities, particularly during the Clinton era, which involved the sharing, the yielding of information by the executive branch to the Congress, has tended to weaken the office. Critics counter that the administration's effort is nothing more than a thinly veiled power grab and that the office of the president is more potent now than at any time in recent memory. Bruce Fein, a former Justice Department official who worked in several Republican administrations, said the United States has never had a more imperial presidency, at least since (President Franklin D.) Roosevelt during his conduct of World War II. What the president is claiming is legally and historically absurd and politically stupid, Fein said. Mark Racicot, appointed by Bush to be chairman of the Republican National Committee, said the time has come for the president to reclaim lost authority because the ability of the president to carry on communications and get unvarnished advice has eroded over a period of time. Fein said that while it's appropriate to cite national security at times, it's ridiculous to claim that anyone will be inhibited by his or her communications with the president if the information is made public. He (Bush) hasn't pointed to a single case, Fein said. I've been around this town a long time, almost 30 years, and I've never encountered one individual who told me he's not going to the Oval Office unless he's promised confidentiality. It's the biggest hoax in the world. Why he's making up all this stuff is utterly and completely baffling. Our list is opt-IN only. PO Box 618354 Chicago, IL 60661-8354 To remove yourself from further mailings, please click the link below to unsubscribe. - This email powered by EmailFactory The Web-Based Precision Opt-In Email Marketing Solution. BR BR To UNSUBSCRIBE from this mailing list, go to: a href=http://bye.emf3.com/handler.cfm?idAddress=L9635656637.38470;http://bye.emf3.com/handler.cfm?idAddress=L9635656637.38470 /a If you are unable to click, copy and paste this URL into your browser: http://bye.emf3.com/handler.cfm?idAddress=L9635656637.38470 ---End Message---
[CTRL] Petition Demanding Investigation and Impeachment of Bush
-Caveat Lector- http://www.petitiononline.com/voter03/petition.html Petition Demanding Investigation and Impeachment of the Illegitimately Elected Bush and Cheney for Dereliction of Duties in Woefully Failing to Protect the American Public from the September 11th Terrorist Attacks To: To the United States Congress: Even the conservative mainstream press has reported that: 1. A classified memo written by a Phoenix FBI agent last summer urged the bureau to investigate a number of Middle Eastern men enrolled in American flight schools, citing Bin Laden as someone who could organize such flight training. 2. Last August, shortly after the arrest of accused Bin Laden terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui, a Minneapolis FBI agent on the case wrote in notes that Moussaoui was the kind of person who might âfly something into the World Trade Center.â 3. A French investigating judge and terrorist hunter had presented the FBI information weeks before September 11th warning that Moussaoui was a dangerous Islamic extremist. Despite these warnings to Bush and Cheney and their intelligence experts, Bush and Cheney did little to protect the American public from the devastating terrorist attacks on September 11th. Bush and Cheney who were elected to office through illegitimate means, including the wrongful purging of African Americans from the voter rolls in Florida, have now demonstrated that they are either incompetent slackers or that they intentionally chose to ignore these warnings for their own political advantages. We, citizens and voters of the United States of America, hereby demand that the United States Congress fully investigate and impeach the illegitimate Bush and Cheney for their dereliction of duties in woefully failing to protect the American public from the September 11th terrorist attacks. Sincerely, The Undersigned View Current Signatures A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Mike Ruppert Live on FOX With Gerlado Saturday 5-18
fwd Ruppert live on FOX tonight ---BeginMessage--- Title: Mike Ruppert Live on FOX With Gerlado Saturday 5-18 I will be live during the Geraldo Rivera show tomorrow on Fox News between 6-7 PM Pacific time. You can find it on the Fox News Channel. Mike Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Please let us stay on topic and be civil. To unsubscribe please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs -Home Page- www.cia-drugs.org OM Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---End Message---
Re: [CTRL] child abuse UK, Law, Vatican coverup, predator priest, Carlson, Po...
-Caveat Lector- Excellent, helpful news clips. Thanks so much. In a message dated 5/18/02 8:41:40 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From Lynne Moss-Sharmann Police Search West Country Garden After Child Abuse Court Case Ananova 5/15/02 - Police are carrying out investigations in the garden of a West Country home in the wake of a major sexual abuse court case which saw eight people sentenced to lengthy jail terms. Officers have been working at the premises since Monday, their investigations concealed by a tent. The new inquiries follow an allegation made by a complainant from the original inquiry, said a police spokesman. During the court case in 1998, the venue of which cannot be given because of a legal order, the eight defendants, who included grandparents and their children, were found guilty of 78 charges. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,1271,-1737651,00.html Aide admits Law made molester priest a vicar - by Tom Mashberg and Eric Convey 5/18/02 A high-ranking Archdiocese of Boston official has acknowledged under oath that Bernard Cardinal Law promoted a priest in the mid-1990s even though the cleric had admitted to child molestationAnd he confirmed that a total of 85 archdiocesan priests - 70 living and 15 dead - have been hit with credible allegations of child abuse since the late-1950s, more than half of them multiple times. http://aolsvc.digitalcity.com/boston/news/article.adp?provider= thebostonherald category=Newsarticle=1025225 Records: Vatican knew of scandal coverup in 1973 - by Jack Sullivan - 5/16/ 02 Previously sealed records in the case of defrocked pedophile priest James A. Porter show Catholic church officials - including Pope Paul VI, Humberto Cardinal Medeiros and top aides to Richard Cardinal Cushing - knew of and took part in the coverup of cleric sexual abuse as far back as 1964. It is believed to be the first time records show Vatican officials were aware as long as 30 years ago that priests were molesting children and bishops were shuffling the pedophiles around the country and covering up their acts. It also is the first time involvement by the Boston archdiocese under Cushing has been documented. http://www2.bostonherald.com/news/local_regional/prie05162002.htm Records: Church let loose predator priest - by Eric Convey and Tom Mashberg 5/17/02 The Archdiocese of Boston turned former priest Paul J. Mahan loose on the public in the mid-1990s after he had been diagnosed as a ``sociopath'' and a ``threat to adolescent males,'' according to documents released yesterday. In a sign of just how sick therpists deemed Mahan, doctors at St. Luke Institute in Suitland, Md., expelled him as hopeless in 1995 - kicking him out of a hospital that has specialized in treating clergy with severe sexual disorders. http://www2.bostonherald.com/news/local_regional/maha05172002.htm From Lynne Moss Sharman Robber loses appeal By Julio Gomes - The Chronicle-Journal 5/16/02 A Thunder Bay man who has been described as an institutionalized career criminal has lost his appeal of a 1992 bank robbery conviction and a 17-year prison sentence.Carlson, who has spent most of his adult life in jail, has repeatedly claimed his criminal behaviour was the result of brainwashing experiments he suffered while in prison between 1968 and 1974. http://www.chroniclejournal.com/story.shtml?id=10987 Files show church leaders knew of abuse for decades - 05/17/2002 By Jennifer Levitz - Journal Staff Writer Providence - Newly released documents in New England's watershed case of sexual abuse by clergymen show that church officials as high-ranking as the late Cardinal Humberto Medeiros knew decades ago that now-defrocked Fall River priest James Porter had been accused of molestation. Hundreds of pages of personnel files on Porter, which the Boston Herald obtained through a court order in U.S. District Court in Boston, indicate that bishops failed to act on early warnings that sexual abuse by priests was becoming a problem, the Rev. Thomas Doyle, a priest and canon lawyer who formerly worked at the Vatican Embassy in Washington, D.C. said yesterday. The files show that Porter himself wrote to Pope Paul VI in the 1970s, alluding to troubles that had plagued him in North Attleboro and followed him to Fall River. He admitted to abusing scores of children while he was a priest. http://www.projo.com/news/content/projo_20020517_porter17x.307b2.html Toxic Secrets - Fluoride the A-Bomb Program During the ultra-secret Manhattan Project, a report was commissioned to assess the effect of fluoride on humans. That report was classified secret for reasons of national security. Extracted from Nexus Magazine, Volume 5, #3 (April-May 1998). PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telephone: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381
[CTRL] Fwd: TO TAKE THE HEAT OFF HIM, BUSH WAGS THE DOG
fwd ---BeginMessage--- All of a sudden -- surprise, surprise -- as revelations come out revealing Bush's negligence, inattentiveness, and incompetence as he took a month-long vacation in Texas just before September 11th, well, lo-and-behold administration claims that there is chatter indicating a big Al-Qaeda attack. In Grand Hypocrisy Party politics, timing is everything. Of course, on Sunday we will hear Dick Cheney braying like a donkey that Democrats are risking facilitating terrorists if they investigate the Bush administration 9/11 terrorists. If experience is any guide, it will be enough to send the Democrats back into their corners, afraid to show any profiles in courage. U.S. Intercepting Messages Hinting at a New Attack Sat May 18, 2:52 PM ET http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/nyt/20020518/ts_nyt/u_s__intercepting_messages_hinting_at_a_new_attackprinter=1 WASHINGTON, May 18 American intelligence agencies have intercepted a vague yet troubling series of communications among Al Qaeda operatives over the last few months indicating that the terrorist organization is trying to carry out an operation as big as or bigger than the Sept. 11 attacks, according to intelligence and law enforcement officials. ? A Vatican Lawyer Says Bishops Should Not Reveal Abuse Claims ? Drug Maker to Pay Million Fine for Factory Lapses ? For the latest breaking news, visit NYTimes.com ? Get DealBook, a daily email digest of corporate finance newsDealBook. Search NYTimes.com: Today'sNewsPast WeekPast30 DaysPast 90 DaysPastYearSince 1996 But just as last summer's threats left counterterrorism analysts guessing about Al Qaeda's intentions, and believing that the attack might be carried out overseas, the new interceptions are so general that they have left President Bush (news - web sites) and his counterterrorism team in the dark about the time, place or method of what some officials refer to as a second-wave attack. As a result, the government is essentially limited to taking broad defensive measures. It's again not specific not specific as to time, not specific as to place, one senior administration official said. BuzzFlash Note: In short, the information is vague and useless, except to provide some cowardly cover for Bush. For more on this story and others, come on over to http://www.buzzflash.com Our list is opt-IN only. PO Box 618354 Chicago, IL 60661-8354 To remove yourself from further mailings, please click the link below to unsubscribe. - This email powered by EmailFactory The Web-Based Precision Opt-In Email Marketing Solution. BR BR To UNSUBSCRIBE from this mailing list, go to: a href=http://bye.emf3.com/handler.cfm?idAddress=L9635656637.38305;http://bye.emf3.com/handler.cfm?idAddress=L9635656637.38305 /a If you are unable to click, copy and paste this URL into your browser: http://bye.emf3.com/handler.cfm?idAddress=L9635656637.38305 ---End Message---
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Whitehouse censorship of ISI question
fwd re difference in White House briefing on text vs audio - in text they left out the reference to the ISI in a question to Condi Rice. ---BeginMessage--- I have sent the following out to as many news desks journalists forums as I can find, but if you find this as interesting as I do, please do the same. I would grately appreciate it if you tell me anything, so I can monitor the story (if it actually takes off) *** Condoleezza Rice's press briefing is now online on the whitehouse web site (www.whitehouse.gov) in both text and audio formats. TEXT: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/05/20020516-13.html AUDIO: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/05/20020516-13.a.ram In the text version there is an interesting omission. 21 paragraphs from bottom: Q Dr. Rice, are you aware of the reports at the time that -- was in Washington on September 11th, and on September 10th, $100,000 was wired to Pakistan to this group here in this area? While he was here meeting with you or anybody in the administration? DR. RICE: I have not seen that report, and he was certainly not meeting with me. The two dashes are normally included in transcripts to indicate a pause, but Dr Rice clealy understands the question that is being asked, hence her reply. This excerpt is at 31:20 in the audio. Here, it is clear that the journalist asks ... at the time that ISI chief was in Washington. ISI is the Pakistani intelligence service. Its chief Lt-Gen Mahmud Ahmad The question relates to this story, reported initially in the times of India India helped FBI trace ISI-terrorist links by MANOJ JOSHI 12 October 2001 'THE TIMES OF INDIA' NEW DELHI: While the Pakistani Inter Services Public Relations claimed that former ISI director-general Lt-Gen Mahmud Ahmad sought retirement after being superseded on Monday, the truth is more shocking. Top sources confirmed here on Tuesday, that the general lost his job because of the evidence India produced to show his links to one of the suicide bombers that wrecked the World Trade Centre. The US authorities sought his removal after confirming the fact that $100,000 were wired to WTC hijacker Mohammed Atta from Pakistan by Ahmad Umar Sheikh at the instance of Gen Mahumd. [continued at] http://www.timesofindia.com/articleshow.asp?art_id=1454238160 The omission in the transcript is clearly intentional as the words ISI chief are extremely audible, yet have been reported as simply dashes. Dr Rice should certainly be aware of the allegations surrounding Mahmud Ahmad, given her role as National Security Advisor, and her response simply serves to brush off any further questions. I find this omission very interesting. I believe that it warrants further investigation which is why I am forwarding this for your attention. *** _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FONT COLOR=#99Take the Yahoo! Groups survey for a chance to win $1,000. Your opinion is very important to us! /FONTA HREF=http://us.click.yahoo.com/NOFBfD/uAJEAA/Ey.GAA/xYTolB/TM;BClick Here!/B/A -~- Please let us stay on topic and be civil. To unsubscribe please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs -Home Page- www.cia-drugs.org OM Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ---End Message---
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Very interesting link concerning pre-knowledge
fwd The 1999 Library of Congress document describing possible use of planes as bombs ---BeginMessage--- http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Sociology-Psychology%20of%20Terrorism.htm This is: THE SOCIOLOGY AND PSYCHOLOGY OF TERRORISM: WHO BECOMES A TERRORIST AND WHY? A Report Prepared under an Interagency Agreement by the Federal Research Division, Library of Congress September 1999 *** It is very detailed about al-Qaida the following section is extremely pertinent given the administrations claims that planes being flown into buildings was unthinkable before 9-11 Suicide bomber(s) belonging to al-Qaida's Martyrdom Battalion could crash-land an aircraft packed with high explosives (C-4 and semtex) into the Pentagon, the headquarters of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or the White House. Ramzi Yousef had planned to do this against the CIA headquarters. In addition, both al-Qaida and Yousef were linked to a plot to assassinate President Clinton during his visit to the Philippines in early 1995. _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FONT COLOR=#99Take the Yahoo! Groups survey for a chance to win $1,000. Your opinion is very important to us! /FONTA HREF=http://us.click.yahoo.com/NOFBfD/uAJEAA/Ey.GAA/xYTolB/TM;BClick Here!/B/A -~- Please let us stay on topic and be civil. To unsubscribe please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs -Home Page- www.cia-drugs.org OM Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ---End Message---
[CTRL] Fwd: Dianne Feinstein Blasts Cheney and Fleischer
fwd ---BeginMessage--- Dianne Feinstein is fighting back! Here is part of a news release she issued today: I am very surprised by the tone of the comments by White House spokesman Ari Fleischer regarding concerns I raised last summer about a possible terrorist attack on our nation and the need to reorganize our counter-terrorism and homeland defense efforts to try to head off a possible calamity. In the wake of the September 11th attacks, the issue is too important to our nation to engage in the kind of politics Mr. Fleischer is practicing. I, for one, do not believe that any of our nation's leadership had specific information last summer to know when and what kind of attack to anticipate. What I said last July on CNN was that I was deeply concerned as to whether our house was in order to prevent a terrorist attack. My work on the Intelligence Committee and as chair of the Technology and Terrorism Subcommittee had given me a sense of foreboding for some time. I had no specific data leading to a possible attack. In fact, I was so concerned that I contacted Vice President Cheney's office that same month to urge that he restructure our counter-terrorism and homeland defense programs to ensure better accountability and prevent important intelligence information from slipping through the cracks. Despite repeated efforts by myself and staff, the White House did not address my request. I followed this up last September 2001 before the attacks and was told by 'Scooter' Libby that it might be another six months before he would be able to review the material. I told him I did not believe we had six months to wait. For more of the news release and the latest on the 9/ll Bush betrayal, come on over to http://www.buzzflash.com And remember, we never close. Our list is opt-IN only. PO Box 618354 Chicago, IL 60661-8354 To remove yourself from further mailings, please click the link below to unsubscribe. - This email powered by EmailFactory The Web-Based Precision Opt-In Email Marketing Solution. BR BR To UNSUBSCRIBE from this mailing list, go to: a href=http://bye.emf3.com/handler.cfm?idAddress=L9635656637.38198;http://bye.emf3.com/handler.cfm?idAddress=L9635656637.38198 /a If you are unable to click, copy and paste this URL into your browser: http://bye.emf3.com/handler.cfm?idAddress=L9635656637.38198 ---End Message---
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[CTRL] Fwd: Sirhan Bishara Sirhan
-Caveat Lector- --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.pir.org/main4/Sirhan_Bishara_Sirhan.html --- End forwarded message --- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Military maneuvers scare residents in East St. Louis
-Caveat Lector- --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A HREF=http://www.kmov.com/news/News_stories/NEWS_011204_estl_helicopte rs.htmlhttp://www.kmov.com/news/News_stories/NEWS_011204_estl_helico pters.html/A Military maneuvers scare residents in East St. Louis December 4, 2001 10:01 PM Donn Johnson East St. Louis (KMOV) -- Military attack helicopters in the sky over East St. Louis Monday night caught thousands of residents off guard. The helicopters were part of the ongoing mission aimed at keeping American troops combat ready. The maneuvers surprised and frightened some residents because no one told them it was coming. About nine special operations choppers from Fort Campbell, Kent., appeared in the night sky right around 9 p.m. They looked like helicopters on a secret mission, which is exactly what they were doing, hovering and darting around homes and buildings. For some residents, it was a very scary experience. The flying war machines are part of the 160th Special Ops from Fort Campbell. They dashed up here to East St. Louis to simulate quick movements needed to approach an urban war zone. We saw a similar operation 10 years ago in downtown St. Louis, but who knew on the same day the nation went under another terrorist alert, a military force would descend on East St. Louis, even in training? Well, the army certainly knew and the administration knew. The problem is no one bothered to tell the citizens. We were unable to reach East St. Louis Mayor Debra Powell to ask her about Monday's exercise. It's unclear whether citizens are required to be told the military is operating in their neighborhood, but given recent events, it seems like it is the proper thing to do. Incidentally, Monday was a makeup day. The original maneuver was scheduled for November 28 and 29, but it was rained out. --- End forwarded message --- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] hempseed oil question
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/19/1999 11:36:50 PM CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Best all 'round "superfood" oil is hempseed oil. Is it available? I don't think I've seen it in the catalogues or health food stores. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] GLOBAL WTO internet debate
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/16/1999 2:38:12 PM CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Get your voice heard - go to www.commonwealthvoices.org Multiple attempts to access either of the two debates received "Connection Timed Out." If that should happen to many of us over time, I'd say we have a new conspiracy on our hands. Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Unmasking Sybil - MPD
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/16/1999 8:07:58 PM CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "There is=20 strong evidence that [the worst abuse in the book] could not have=20 happened," says Peter J. Swales, the historian who first identified Mason=20 as Sybil. Strong evidence to prove a negative? Yeah, sure. Children are tortured all the time. It's commonplace. welcome to planet Earth If 40,000 have been diagnosed MPD (DID) in North America alone, that probably covers about 10% of the real number. Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Last Circle Inaccessible
-Caveat Lector- Thank you, K! It is in the archives and also on the web page the archived posts refer to: http://www.lycaeum.org/books/books/last_circle/1.htm A HREF="http://www.lycaeum.org/books/books/last_circle/1.htm"The Last Circle - Introduction Chapter 1/A Samm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Last Circle Inaccessible
-Caveat Lector- The e-book "The Last Circle" which covers: the Octopus, Wackenhut, Inslaw, drug/arms ops, biotechnology and discusses Ted Gunderson, Robert Booth Nichols and Michael Riconosciuto and others, is not accessible. Several people died investigating these subjects, and the author, Carol Marshall, was in danger as well. The editor felt at risk for putting the book on the web. He noted it had been prominent on the web until 1996 when it disappeared. He put it up in 1997 and it has remained there. I quoted from it in late September/early October here, as it pertained to former FBI SAC Ted Gunderson. Three of us have tried the hyperlink and the address, from AOL and Netscape. The page begins to load and then the "Unknown Host" error takes over. http://www.tdbooks.com/ebooks/lastcircle/toc.html If anyone needs access to the book, the editor can be reached at: jA HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A (Jeff Davis). I've written to him to let him know that though the sites may still be up, it doesn't help if they can't be accessed. I'd taken a lot of heat for posting those Ted Gunderson quotes (not here on CTRL), so I'm concerned why the book is suddenly inaccessible. If anyone can access the pages, please let me know. I accessed them just last week to send the hyperlink to someone. Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] TOP SECRET FBI Pimp Files (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/11/1999 9:12:00 AM CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mind you, I'm not condoning these activities (which are horrendous), but Clinton certainly didn't invent them. Hoover might have gotten them from Caesar, Nero, or Calligula. And Bush certainly used them during the Regan era. Clinton certainly did not invent them. I suspect he isn't a patsy, though, mostly because of Yugoslavia. An acquaintance told me long ago that you just don't get to be Prez anymore unless you're part of the Big Game. I suspect she's right. Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Neil/ abuse arrrests and convictions
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/06/1999 7:40:15 PM CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: see "Archive of News Reports and Ritual Murder Cases and Appellate Documentation of Ritual and Satanic Cases at: http://members.tripod.com /~Curio_5_/ra.htm for numerous cases. This page may be triggering for survivors of abuse. Source for this quote is below: "..58% of the ritual abuse cases in the Finkelhor (1988) study that went to trial resulted in convictions. In the Kelly (1992b) study, convictions were obtained in 80% of the ritual and sexual abuse cases combined." "convictions were obtained in 11% of all ritual child abuse cases studied by Bottoms et al. (1991; 1993)." "Cultural and Economic Barriers to Protecting Children from Ritual Abuse and Mind Control," Catherine Gould, Ph.D. Dec. 1995, http://members.tripod .com/~Curio_5_/gould.html Here are some quotes: Neil, I couldn't get to either of these sites -- the error says there is no DNS entry. Could you send the links instead? Thanks for your help. Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #3/CS
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/07/1999 8:55:42 AM CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 5 Nov 99, at 20:55, Ric Carter wrote: # Expert warns against superbug 'epidemic' (BBC) A potentially fatal superbug which is resistant to many antibiotics has reached "epidemic" levels in UK hospitals, according to a public health official. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_505000/505710.stm And Prudy tells me that Colloidal Silver has just been declared useless and illegal and will no longer be sold in health food stores, etc. If you don't already know how to make it, I would research it on the web NOW and get those directions down before they all disappear-- that is, if they haven't vanished already. sno0wl snoOwl, I owe you a great debt of gratitude for posting here long ago that it is possible to make CS at home. There is a most excellent email list specifically for CS -- how to make it, how to judge results, etc. Here's some list info: The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List maintainer: Mike Devour [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] ALERT! Articles a Must Read for Survivors
-Caveat Lector- ALERT for survivors of satanic ritual abuse and/or their advocates: Please read the two articles in the SMARTNEWS Nov. 99 Newsletter that pertain to a potentially SERIOUS survivor internet/support forum safety issue. They are listed as "Article 1" and "Article 2" in the newsletter, and begin about 1/3 of the way down on the web page, right after the "Cult Information" article. The two articles (combined) give information pertaining to MTC (More Than Conquerers), MCF (Mind Control Forum) and a person named CD (Carrie Dawn). The articles express the opinions of the authors: Sharry Walls (Article 1) and Kathleen Sullivan (Article 2). Kathleen Sullivan is president of PARA-VRAMC. http://members.aol.com/smartnews/page/Sample-Issue-29.htm A HREF="http://members.aol.com/smartnews/page/Sample-Issue-29.htm"SMARTNEWS 's Issue #29 - Nov. '99/A The allegations made in these articles are extremely serious. Please read and alert others! Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [MC] (Farley to Kasten) Re: Questions only an Insider of ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/01/1999 7:21:17 PM CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is more to the story and some serious public policy debating which ought to go on, no doubt, but not in this venue and not in response to Kathy Kasten's chaff. I thank Wes Thomas and sonic.net for allowing me to respond. What I would say to those who are using this list in the hopes of finding redress for perceived activities which may have been used against them and their minds is proceed with caution. It would serve all of you well to determine factually and via the public record who it is that you are confiding in and allowing to stimulate and organize you into a class of victims who may indeed have something very important to share, but not with her and the people for whom she works. Find out who they are and have been, FIRST! Good advice. I am interested in any information re Kathy Kasten. She gleefully and publicly boasted of having remote-viewed a MindControl list member whom she disliked (without his consent, of course). She told the list that they could email her privately for the details. So much for her examining other people's ethics. Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Activists Arrested For Food Distribution
-Caveat Lector- Title: Two Food Not Bombs Activists Arrested For Serving Free Food Date: 20-OCT-1999 Author: San Francisco FNB Source: The A-Infos News Service http://www.ainfos.ca/ Type of article: Press release Reference: http://www.foodnotbombs.org The San Francisco City Government has apparently decided to resume aggressive enforcement of the 1989 Court Order against FNB [ Food Not Bombs ]. Please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] confirm receipt of this press release. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: October 20,1999 Food Not Bombs Voicemail: + 1-415-675-9928 Two Food Not Bombs Activists Arrested For Serving Free Food. San Francisco- Police arrested two Food Not Bombs activists, Oct. 20th at 6pm in United Nations Plaza. FNB volunteers were distributing free food to low-income and no-income people in the plaza when the police arrived. The police surrounded the food and prevented homeless people from getting bread and hot soup. Food Not Bombs is a non-violent direct action group that shares free food to poor and hungry people around the world. FNB groups collect donated food and prepare meals in volunteers' kitchens. The meals are shared in public spaces to draw attention to the crisis of homelessness while an enormous amount of money and resources goes to military investment. In San Francisco, Food Not Bombs has experienced police harassment and political repression from the City government. FNB has shared hundreds of thousands of vegetarian meals with poor and hungry people since 1988. Over the years we have been arrested at least 1,000 times. In the last elections, the current administration of Mayor Willie Brown promised voters that he would cease arresting FNB members. Homelessness is the central issue in the upcoming mayoral elections; with this increasing harassment, Mayor Brown is demonstrating his approach. The arrest of the two food servers tonight, October 20th, is a clear indication of the basic disrespect of human and civil rights in San Francisco. An account from two eyewitnesses who were also serving food: FNB volunteers Jeff and Sasha were handcuffed together and arrested for serving food to hungry people without a permit after Officer Banta told them to stop serving and they continued. The large amount of soup and bread still remaining was also carted off by the police. People who were there to eat questioned the police on why the servers were being arrested, and the police said "for serving food without a permit." (The permit in question is no longer issued by the city, and has been used for years as a political tool for selective enforcement.) As legal observers, they took down the officers' names in order to contact their supervisors and file complaints about the ridiculousness of arresting people for serving free food. FNB members were able to serve food for ten minutes before police officers came to arrest us. There were about eight cops there, none of whom seemed to know why they were there or understand the situation. The police were roundly disrespectful to the community being served as well as the food servers, but their anger was met with a calm and nonviolent response. The police confiscated and photographed the soup and bread as evidence after arresting the servers. Food Not Bombs is continuing to build community support to end the political harassment of those who support the homeless community, and to make criminalization of poor people unacceptable. FNB will not reduce or restrict our servings, and we will not compromise our advocacy of the people who are under constant attack by the government of San Francisco. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Flag Burning Essay
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/26/1999 5:37:07 PM CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Americans who don't appreciate the flag don't appreciate this nation. And those who appreciate this nation appreciate the American flag. Those who fought, fought for that flag. Those who died, died for that flag. And those who love America, love that flag. And defend it. Much ado about a symbol. Maybe those experimented on by our country's black ops agencies don't see it that way. Maybe the whistleblowers who get ruined or killed trying to stand up for what is right don't see it that way. Maybe those whose families are homeless because jobs have been exported to benefit Corporate Amerika don't see it that way. Maybe those who care that presidents and candidates have been killed by our flag-waving American government don't see it that way, either. A little more substance and a lot less hokey symbolism would be appreciated. Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More on Hanoi Jane
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/25/1999 2:43:06 PM CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Most of you've probably already seen this by now.only addition I might add to these sentiments is to remember the satisfaction of relieving myself into the urinal at some airbase or another where "zaps" of Hanoi Jane's face had been applied. I guess people have forgotten that a President was killed to get us into this dirty war, and a candidate was killed in '68 and the President elected took four years to get us out in which time he escalated the action with his own secret war. I certainly don't think the blood of our soldiers is on Jane Fonda's head, but my countrymen sure jump at a chance to find a scapegoat. THAT'S the real shame. Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Vaccine links/question/Dave
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/23/1999 12:36:35 PM CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Persons who think for themselves and question authority will readily discover that vaccination is an extremely PROFITABLE industry, and that the practice of vaccination is EXTREMELY QUESTIONABLE in terms of RISKS vs unproveable supposed benefits. I suppose it goes without saying that the same goes for our pets? My state has no philosophical objection clause for rabies shots. I don't look forward to watching my pets' health decline. Samm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] People Who Have Died After Being on the Art Bell Show
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/23/1999 12:47:42 PM CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And of course the beloved Father Malichi, a real Catholic exorcist. He predicted a meteor would hit the earth. Malachi Martin died after being on Bell's show? How very sad. Do you think any of this implicates Bell? I've never listened to him and don't know if he's considered reliable and safe or not. Samm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] No posts for 18.5 hours?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/23/1999 1:24:21 PM CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The last post I got yesterday from CTRL was at 5:03 pm, the first one I got after that was 11:30 am this morning. That seems like an unusually long time between posts. I just want to make sure that I didn't miss a bunch of stuff. I'm confused, too. Two posts I sent last night haven't shown up yet. It must just be server delays/problems. Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Gunderson and Art Bell
-Caveat Lector- My apologies if this is a rehash of news and information that I have missed on the list. FYI I've been looking for information about Ted Gunderson recently because he is an alleged advocate for survivors of satanic ritual abuse and I have a vested interest in the subject. I am recently questioning his motivation based on information I read in the ebook "The Last Circle", then from some survivors who have come forward to say they had bad experiences with him. On the Konformist website, there is an explanation for why Art Bell left his radio program abruptly. It seems that Ted Gunderson was involved in passing along information that Bell was a child molester, that he'd been arrested in Nevada, and had tried to convince authorities to drop the case. According to Robalini (Konformist) this information is not true. Bell is suing Gunderson. Robalini has been subpoenaed to give testimony in Bell's suit against another radio program host (David Oates) who relayed the same information re: Bell. There is a website with a letter purportedly written by Oates where he says he is willing to give a public apology to Bell and also hopes Bell will drop his $60 million suit against him. Bell's son does have a molestation suit going against a substitute teacher. A HREF="http://www.konformist.com/1999/artbella.htm"The Konformist - Art Bell Explains Why He Lef.../A http://www.konformist.com/1999/artbella.htm (excerpt): The broadcast in question originated from WWCR on Dec. 9, 1997. The alleged statements were made during an interview by talk show host David Hinkson and former FBI agent Ted Gunderson. Fox claims Gunderson told Hinkson that Bell had been indicted for child molestation in Nevada and had asked authorities to cover up the evidence and dismiss the indictment. Listeners were invited to contact Bell about the indictment. Bell says he was so harassed that he decided to quit. ``When people continue to call you things like a child molester, you're not in any particular frame of mind but defend yourself,'' he says. Fox says, ``It is a fair characterization to suggest that Hinkson was egged on by Gunderson, and there was some form of instigation taking place'' when the allegations were made. Fox says it was ``absolutely shocking'' that a person hosting a radio program would hear this kind of attack without knowing its validity and not end the discussion. A HREF="http://www.konformist.com/1999/artbell.htm"The Konformist - Art Bell To Subpoena Konform.../A http://www.konformist.com/1999/artbell.htm Samm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Tavistock / Bill Hicks
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/22/1999 8:11:02 AM CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You're not the only one. I've wondered the same thing. Hicks' sudden death followed his NBC censorship fracas by only a few weeks. It is as if he was spotted as a loose cannon, someone who could not be counted on to alter his material (he talked about Waco, among other things) on national tv, so in a preemptive strike he was gotten rid of before he could make a lot more trouble later--and be a lot more difficult to get rid of once he had crossed over from night clubs to tv. Mack White http://www.mackwhite.com Mack, I'm so glad I'm not the only one. It occurred to me right then when I saw the A E program. I didn't have a clue that Hicks had talked about the Waco issue until a recent web search. The web site I cited in my previous post has a Waco video for sale. The desscription reads: "Six years later and this topic is hotter than ever. Join Bill and Kevin for an entertaining half hour as they sneak past DPS check points and join the press pool on the 7th day of the Siege. Write me and I'll add a homemade documentary the tank flame thrower footage came from." Caption: "At Austin Access several Branch Davidian survivors still try to tell their side of the story." Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Tavistock / Bill Hicks
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/21/1999 4:46:30 PM CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alex Constantine, who was on this list for a few months, is supposed to be writing a book about the mysterious deaths of rock musicians. Has anyone heard from Alex since last May? He seems to have disappeared from all the newsgroups he used to frequent. Alex, if you're listening, get in touch and let us know how the book is going. Linda Minor I hope Alex will throw a comedian into the mix as well. Bill Hicks -- dead of pancreatic cancer at age 32. He did a great "USA-as-a-totalitarian-government" routine and that's just the tip of the iceberg. I first saw him on HBO from the Palladium Theatre in London. His theory was that life is Just a Ride. You can approach it with either fear or love. Near the end of the show, he remarks that every now and then, someone comes along to remind us of this and what do we do? We KILL those people. The picture of Bill fades out and we see a gun, then hear a gunshot. Fade back in to the picture of Bill, and you see him falling dead on the stage. I looked for him after that and the next time I saw him referred to on television, it was on A E. It was a post-mortem -- maybe two years later. Letterman, for one, expressed his regrets at not having Bill on the show more often. Bill wouldn't alter his material for Letterman so he was rejected. I'm the only one I know of who is suspicious about Bill's death. The pancreatic cancer reminded me of what Jack Ruby alleged -- that he had been injected with liver cancer cells. A HREF="http://www.eden.com/sacredcow/Hicksw.html"The Bill Hicks Page/A http://www.eden.com/sacredcow/Hicksw.html Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Jon Benet Ramsey
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/16/1999 8:43:01 PM CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am quite surprised that I have seen little of this case mentioned here in the last couple of days what with the grand jury being dismissed with no findings. It was a topic of discussion for some time but now apparently has ceased to be of importance to us. Oh, I've done little else these last days but re-read up on this case and discuss it in other forums. It is a terribly important case. Unfortunately, I have not been successful in drumming up much interest, though I've been doling out info and pushing to the point of sheer rudeness. It is completely impossible to overestimate the importance of this case. It's hugely pivotal. I would have hoped our society was no so terribly unhealthy that the powers-that-be would not have resigned themselves to surrendering "some of their own" being that there is such an intense spotlight focused here. The arrogance in the cover-up of this crime is truly shocking. The depth of the protection of these military/industrial complex drones, as well as the cover-up itself, are near in their breadth to the JFK assassination! It's mind-boggling. I've been deeply moved by the heroic efforts of former Detective Arndt in trying to get her info out. She was interviewed on Good Morning America a few weeks back and she has a chilling story to tell. She was the first detective on the scene. She has been scapegoated and criticized and nearly personally broken over this case. As long as she remained on the force, she was unable to speak publicly. She received so much criticism, was never allowed to defend herself, and was never defended by anyone on the force in the face of lies told about her, that she now has a lawsuit pending against the police department. She has resigned and is speaking out. Please look over the transcripts of the show. http://www.jameson245.com/dcf/documents/19.html A HREF="http://www.jameson245.com/dcf/documents/19.html""ARNDT GMA TRANSCRIPTS" Samm /A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Smokers Fired
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/11/1999 3:32:09 PM CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We'd be better off to get rid of the busybodies and bigots who want to control what people do on their own time to their own bodies. The difference between your statement and that of good German citizens who said "Good, get rid of the Jews" is only one of degree. "Every reform is only a mask under cover of which a more terrible reform, which dares not name itself, advances." - Ralph Waldo Emerson Better yet, why don't we have all those we suspect of ingesting a high fat content in their diet followed and prosecuted? A bad diet contributes to ALL kinds of disease and makes MY insurance rates go up! We'll just develop The Fast Food Intelligence Agency. Yeah, we'll develop monitors to be worn on the skin that sound an alarm when the fat intake exceeds 30 grams in one day! Anything to keep those insurance premiums down.. Smokers can play this game, too. Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Shape Shifting
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/09/1999 3:48:04 AM CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks Samantha, that was very good.. So are you saying therefore that the reptile thing is just a fabrication in order to keep the ritualists hidden? and I presume also that ritual abuse does happen.. Peter Yes, Peter. I think the reptilian thing is an add-on as an attempt to discredit the rest, which is real. Satanic ritual abuse is real. It's been around for generations. Governmental association with cults is fairly new. Cults have been able to provide black operators with great data on how to create multiple personalities in children and therefore, classic Manchurian Candidate types. According to some researchers (and survivors) the marriage between intelligence and cults has provided a trade-off: techniques (and children provided for experimentation) in exchange for protection from prosecution and protection from media intrusion. If CIA and Mafia are two sides of a coin, satanic cults have become the most recent third side. Recent meaning since the early 1960's, according to some, earlier according to others. Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Shape Shifting
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/09/1999 7:07:15 PM CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think the reptilian thing is an add-on as an attempt to discredit the rest, which is real. No, samantha - I've done tons of independent research, and have not read one of Ikes books - yet I come to the conclusion - that a humanoid reptilian species walks on the earth and under it. You know, I could even buy the prospect of a reptilian race below the earth, especially since I heard the theory that when the comet hit the earth long ago, some dinosaur species survived underground and then evolved. Then tell me they're evil, that they eat children, that they walk above ground projecting holographic images of humans, get elected to the Senate (Robert Byrd -- alleged by Cathy O'Brien), appointed as Secretary of State (Madeline Albright) etc etc etc and then I'll want to know the price of that bridge you're trying to sell me. People who murder, torture and maim children for power are cold-blooded alright, and reptilians are cold-blooded animals. It is a mildy creative disinformation package to sell to the public, but I ain't buying it. Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK Sought END of Federal Reserve
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/09/1999 5:56:42 PM CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: President JFK's Executive order 0, never since repealed or overridden by any subsequent president, would have led to the end of the Federal Reserve Bank, due to the fact it authorized the U.S. government to create it's own money BACKED BY SILVER; the gone but NOT forgotten paper money called SILVER CERTIFICATES. I'm confused. It was never repealed or overridden but it is not in place? So it is "law" and we're not following it? Also, can anyone help to verify the order 0? Or tell us where we might find verification? Many thanks if you can. Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Shape Shifting
-Caveat Lector- I know little about Icke, and from my distance, there is a third alternative to why he may be doing this that wasn't mentioned: maybe *he* is part of a disinformation campaign. The writer states that multiples have perfect photographic memory. This is not true! Even for multiples with a degree of photgraphic memory, the person doesn't always have access to the memories of other personalities at will. Forgetfulness is more common with mutliples than with the non-multiple population. Blanket statements like this are wrong! The author states that his friend Patti may not be a good judge if AW is telling the truth. Why? A survivor can peg a phoney a lot faster than a non-survivor! A person with a PhD in archeology can peg a phoney claiming to be one faster than a lay person. Knowledge, familiarity, experience. Same principle applies. I've been studying survivor issues for more than ten years. I've met at least a hundred survivors, both in person and on-line. NEVER ONCE did I hear the "reptilian thing" until reading Cathy O'Brien Mark Phillips' book. NOT ONCE. Think about it -- the worst and most secret thing evil people do is to perform heinous rituals, take lives, torture children. They don't want the general population to KNOW this, or if they KNOW it, to believe it! For it to have power, it must be kept secret! Well, survivors are breaking memory boundaries left and right. The secret is out. Now all that's left is to discredit their stories. Easy enough. Tell the full truth about what survivors have experienced but add EVEN ONE piece of phoney, wild, totally weird info into the mix, and wham! NONE of the survivors are believed again. In all the books I've read on or about survivors of satanic ritual abuse (by psychiatrists, therapists or survivors themselves) , and from all the survivors I've met in person or on-line, NEVER ONCE has there been an allegation of the "reptilian thing" . until you get to "Trance-formation of America" by Mark Phillips and Cathy O'Brien. Read the book for yourselves -- borrow a copy from someone -- anything. Ask yourself this question: Exactly HOW did Mark Phillips make the transition from the aloof-disinterested-disdainful businessman who knew Cathy from contact with her former husband (and thought she was an unattractive hick/airhead type) to the give-it-all-up-to-save-the-damsel-fall-in-love-wth-the-damsel-risk-your-life-f or-the-damsel-deprogram-the-damsel-go-on-a-book-tour-to-save-the-world? Even when I had no reason whatsoever to doubt the book's veracity -- even before I read Cathy's account -- that transition didn't gel with me one bit. Something deifinitely ain't right there, in my opinion. Much of Cathy's story rings true, and I think highly of her from what I know. I also feel deep compassion for her personally. I think she's an unwitting part of a disinformation ploy. Mark was her rescuer. He saved her from what she perceived as certain death. Of course she would bond with him! The rescuer scenario is played out effectively and often with children victims of satanic ritual abuse. It is impossible for a child NOT to bond with the person who rescues them from torture and death, even though that person is, in reality, just part of the overall mind-game. If the "rescuer" is part of the perpetrator op, then the perps control the entire life of the victim, and the whole flow of information. It is a sick and dastardly thing to do to a survivor. But then, satanic/intelligence operatives have never been known for their overwhelming kindness Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Arrest of cancer and AIDS researcher Hulda Clark
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/08/1999 11:20:13 AM CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The charges against Dr. Clark were filed August 16, 1993. According to court paperwork, charges of unlawful practice of medicine in Indiana constitute "not being duly licensed, did, unlawfully practice medicine by: (1) holding herself out to the public as being engaged in : (A) the diagnosis, treatment, correction, or prevention of diseases and ailments of human beings; (B) the suggestion, recommendation or prescription or administration of a form of treatment; (C) the prevention of any physical, mental, or functional ailment or defect of any person." Sounds to me like any vitamin or supplement manufacturer could be charged with these, too. Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: What Was Really / Ramsey Clark
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/07/1999 4:11:39 AM CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: George Bush was brought up before a war crimes tribunal. You didn't know about that either, right? Get the book by Ramsey Clark. I've read two disturbing things about Ramsey Clark in the last few months. One that he publicly opposed a new trial for James Earl Ray re the Martin Luther King assassination, and most recently, that as Johnson's Attorney General, he led the attack on Jim Garrison's New Orleans invesitgation of the JFK assassination. I'm left wondering how many "good guys" may be bad guys playing the good cop/bad cop game? It seems to me if you control the bad guys and have posers leading protests, you control the entire flow of information from beginning to end. The posers would provide relief for genuine protesters and become a focal point for them, thereby distracting them from forming genuine protesting organizations. How effective are these protest-advocacy groups? Are men like Ramsey Clark and others potential posers put in place to keep protesting/advocacy intensity to a minimum? I wonder the same about Oliver Stone. How risky was it for him to make "JFK?" Polls have shown that nearly 95% of Americans didn't buy the lone-gunman theory anyway. Yet, appealing to the rebellious among us, Stone went on to make that "McMartin" movie which denigrated the accuracy of the children's stories and focused ridicule on the therapists and parents in the case. Is Stone in place to earn trust as a vocal rebel so that he can spend his credibility dollars to debunk the REAL issues the bad guys don't want us knowing about? Can a man like Ramsey Clark be the real thing as he opposes US policy in Iraq and Kosovo, etc., if he feeds into the assassination-illusion game? Sure, the attack on Garrison was more than thirty years ago, but the MLK statements were much more recent. I've yet to hear Clark recant his stand on either issue. If anyone has info to the contrary, please let me know. *I* don't want to be caught in a web created solely by the conspirators themselves. By definition, we're made ineffectual if that happens. It also occurs to me that if posers are leading the protests, they're collecting information on *us* as dissidents while they gleefully mislead us. We can't walk a straight line to the truth when we're caught in a circle. Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Medical Mafia, CIA Drugs
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/30/1999 4:48:58 PM CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Murder By Injection: The Medical Conspiracy Against America Click here to order by Eustace Mullins This book is a truly thorough account of the machinations underlying America's steadily deteriorating health, and is the result of some forty years of investigative research by the author Eustace Mullins. Eustace Mullins also wrote, "The Curse of Canaan." He used Biblical text to show that those of dark skin are inherently evil. He's an amazing researcher with admirable internal logic, but he reminded me of Hitler in that book. I got a lot out of the book you mentioned above, but people like Mr. Mullins really scare me, and with good reason. Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Promis, William Hamilton, Michael Riconosciuto, Wackenhut, ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/01/1999 2:16:00 AM CST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After the jury hears tapes of Hayes discussing a $5,000 payoff for a prospective hit on his estranged son, the defendant responds that he'd known all along he was talking to an FBI undercover, but had been stringing the Bureau along so he could develop evidence against them. When the CIA introduces affidavits disavowing any relationship with Hayes, he takes the stand to provide his cover name, "Charles Lawson," and an ID number. Following three hours of deliberation, the jury finds Hayes guilty, to the astonishment of nearly 100 supporters present. He says from his jail cell afterwards, while his attorney moves for a new trial, that he anticipates "assistance" from higher powers. I'm reminded of a Vonnegut line: "Be careful what you pretend to be, for you ARE what you pretend to be." If you're not part of a government sanctioned sting operation, you can't go around stringing people along. Of course, the government is so corrupt that even if it's a "sanctioned op", it's still probably illegal and unethical. I wish somebody knew how we're ever supposed to get out of this mess. I think I had better just take up knitting or something Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Ted Gunderson / Quotes from The Last Circle / Part 1 of 5
-Caveat Lector- Enclosed are quotes from the e-book, "The Last Circle" by Carol Marshall, mostly as they pertain to Ted Gunderson, former FBI SAC, and advocate for survivors of satanic ritual abuse. To read the book and the "Editor's Note" (by Jeff Davis,) start here: http://www.tdbooks.com/ebooks/lastcircle/toc.html A HREF="http://www.tdbooks.com/ebooks/lastcircle/toc.html"The Last Circle-Table Of Contents/A Quotes are posted with the permission of the Editor. The names/comments inserted in [[double brackets]] were inserted by me for the purpose of clarity. Underlines are mine, but I doubt they'll show up. Regards, Samantha begin quoting I have in my possession five boxes of documents, obtained from a convicted methamphetamine chemist [[Michael Riconosciuto]] whose closest friends were a 20-year CIA operative [[Robert Booth Nichols]] and a former FBI Senior-Agent-in-Charge of the Los Angeles and Washington D.C. bureaus [[Ted Gunderson]]. The labyrinthine involvements of these people and their corporate partners is revealed in this manuscript, along with information obtained by Washington D.C. journalist Danny Casolaro prior to his death in 1991. --- On an impulse, I picked up the phone and called Gunderson's telephone number listed at the top of the attached resume. The resume was impressive. He'd worked as SAC (Senior Special Agent in Charge) at Los Angeles FBI headquarters, Washington D.C. headquarters and in Dallas, Texas. It would be two years before I would grasp the significance of the Dallas connection. After retiring from the FBI, he'd worked for F. Lee Baily, Esq., then formed his own investigative agency in Los Angeles county. -- Unknown to me at the time, I had taken a quantum leap in the direction of the Octopus when I contacted Ted Gunderson. The mystery of the Mariposa coverups would soon be divulged through an associate of his, a former member of "The Company" in nearby Fresno, California. - He was a big, handsome man with an aging face and tossled silver hair. He seemed entirely unaware of his appearance or the appearnce of his home, but his pale eyes were intelligent and probing. Intuitively, I knew he was more than he appeared to be. - In the van, reviewing the documents, I wondered what relationship they had to Mariposa County and why I was given the packet. The documents were far ranging, beyond anything I had heretofore imagined. But within days of my visit to Gunderson, I would be introduced to the Octopus. -- The following morning, at 7:30 a.m., I received a collect call from a man who identified himself as Michael Riconosciuto (pronounced Riconoshooto). Riconosciuto, calling from the Pierce County jail in Tacoma, Washington, said he had been informed by Gunderson that I was investigating a corruption/drug ring in Mariposa County. For 45 minutes Riconosciuto related the names of those in charge of methamphetamine operations in Mariposa, Madera and Fresno counties. --- I interrupted him [Michael Riconosciuto], wanting to know where HE fit into the picture? "Well, I served as Director of Research for the Wackenhut facility at the Cabazon Indian reservation in Indio, California. In 1983/84 I modified the PROMISE computer software to be used in law enforcement and intelligence agencies worldwide. A man named Earl Brian was spearheading a plan for worldwide use of the software, but essentially, the modified software was being pirated from the owners, Bill and Nancy Hamilton." -- In subsequent documents obtained from Michael's secret hiding place in the California desert, I located documents which indicated Michael had first been recruited into the CIA by Al Holbert. - Riconosciuto had been communicating regularly with journalist Danny Casolaro prior to his death on August 10, 1991 when Danny's nude body was found in the bathtub of room 517 of the Sheraton Hotel in Martinsburg, West Virginia. His wrists had been slashed ten or twelve times. - He [Danny Casolaro] told friends that he "had traced the Inslaw and related stories back to a dirty CIA `Old Boy' network" that had begun working together in the 1950's around the Albania covert operations. These men had gotten into the illegal gun and drug trade back then and had continued in that business ever since. Before his death, Danny had made plans to visit the Wackenhut Corporation in Indio, California, and even considered naming his book, "Indio." Ted Gunderson was one of the few "cooperating" witnesses at Michael's trial. Through his affidavit and testimony, Ted hoped to supply the defense with needed corroboration of Michael's covert government sanctioned activities. Unfortunately for Michael, Ted could not disclose numerous activities which had included Robert Booth Nichols. At one time Gunderson, Nichols and Riconosciuto had been inseparable, like the three musketeers. But, Nichols was currently under investigation by the Los Angeles FBI for
Re: [CTRL] Ted Gunderson / Quotes from The Last Circle / Part 2 of 5
-Caveat Lector- continued from Part 1 From "The Last Circle" by Carol Marshall http://www.tdbooks.com/ebooks/lastcircle/toc.html A HREF="http://www.tdbooks.com/ebooks/lastcircle/toc.html"The Last Circle-Table Of Contents/A Quotes are posted with the permission of the Editor. The names/comments inserted in [[double brackets]] were inserted by me for the purpose of clarity. Underlines are mine, but I doubt they'll show up. Samantha -- begin quoting -- [[Michael Riconosciuto:]] "Now Ted Gunderson ..." [[Author:]] "Mike, have you got any paperwork on that?" [[Michael R.:]] "Now, wait a minute. Gunderson was physically with me when Wayne Reeder, Peter Zokosky and his wife and several of Wayne Reeder's lieutenants, Bob Nichols and his wife, Harold Okimoto, George Pender, Deborah Pender, Dill Pender, and myself were all together ..." [[Author:]] " ... Where?" [[Michael R.:]] " ... At Wayne Reeders country club, golf club, in Indio, California. And Bob discussed openly in front of Ted Gunderson and myself and everyone present bragged about Glenn Shockley and Jose Londono having 3,500 soldiers. It's now almost double that ..." "What does that mean? What are the soldiers?" Mike: "R.J. will know what it means." "Alright. OK." -- Casolaro's June - July (1991) phone bills told a story of their own. Having followed Danny's investigative trail for three years, I had an entire directory of phone numbers relating to his inquiries. - It was also apparent that Danny was riding a seesaw with Nichols and Riconosciuto. He would talk to one, then the other, often on the same day, back and forth for months. Then suddenly, he cut off Riconosciuto and his calls to Nichols increased in frequency. Other phone numbers matched those of Ted Gunderson, Alan Boyak, a lawyer in Utah, Bo Gritz, Heinrich Rupp and Chuck Hayes, a self-professed (on the Internet) CIA operative. Danny often called Hayes immediately after he spoke with Nichols. Oddly, Hayes never came forward during the official investigation of Danny's death to disclose the content of those conversations. - It is noteworthy that Danny Casolaro also contacted and interviewed Allan Boyak shortly before his death. According to Ted Gunderson and others who knew Danny, Boyak met with Casolaro in Washington D.C. and provided him with a copy of a transcript of the meeting between himself (Boyak), Riconosciuto, and Ted Gunderson, who at that time was Riconosciuto's investigator. I later obtained the same transcript from Gunderson's live-in partner, J.M., and have related the contents of that explosive transcript in Chapter 13. -- "The FBI background check [conducted by Ted Gunderson] on Robert Booth Nichols (born 1943 or 1944 he couldn't remember for sure) revealed that he was `squeeky clean.' In fact, he had a Class I machine gun license. - "Three to four years ago, Boyack received an out of the blue telephone call from Michael Riconosciuto. Michael identified himself as a former employee of Robert Nichols. He also referenced Ted Gunderson as a `mutual friend.' Boyak had only met Ted once very briefly when he was pressing the L.A. FBI to look into the Nichols dope suspicions ..." " ... Then in April 1991, Boyak received a phone call from Ted Gunderson, informing him that `Michael was in trouble. He was caught in a government frameup.' -- One of the most surprising, and disturbing, documents I found in Michael Riconosciuto's hidden files (see Chapter 9) was an envelope with a notation on it, handwritten and signed by Ted Gunderson, which read as follows: "Michael: Raymond [Lavas] is arriving at LAX, 7:55 p.m., Air Canada via flight 793 from Toronto. Will have to go through Customs. This will give us another member for our drug/arms operation. Only problem [is] Raymond will probably be using instead of selling. Sorry I didn't get to D.A. office. I tried to call, but no answer. By the time I fought the traffic to the bank and did my banking, it was too late Will be home tonight (818) 8806238. T.G." Raymond Lavas was Ted Gunderson's forensic expert when he worked for the FBI. Lavas was in constant contact with Bobby Riconosciuto after Michael was incarcerated. In fact, everyone was watching Michael and Bobby very closely. --- The transcript, originating from a series of tape recorded interviews between Michael Riconosciuto, Ted Gunderson and Robert Booth Nichols at Nichols' "007" apartment in Marina Del Ray, provided a window into the entire drug scene in California from the early 1960's through the 1980's, mostly relating to methamphetamine operations in the Bay Area. It had been typed by Ellen Nichols, Robert's wife. Riconosciuto's relationship with Ted Gunderson dated back at least as far as 1982. Michael and Nichols dated back to 1967. In reading the transcript, it appeared that Gunderson and Nichols were interviewing Riconosciuto for recruitment into a drug/sting operation. Riconosciuto later verified that he was, in
Re: [CTRL] Ted Gunderson / Quotes from The Last Circle / Part 3 of 5
-Caveat Lector- continued from Part 2 From "The Last Circle" by Carol Marshall http://www.tdbooks.com/ebooks/lastcircle/toc.html A HREF="http://www.tdbooks.com/ebooks/lastcircle/toc.html"The Last Circle-Table Of Contents/A Quotes are posted with the permission of the Editor. The names/comments inserted in [[double brackets]] were inserted by me for the purpose of clarity. Underlines are mine, but I doubt they'll show up. Samantha -- begin quoting -- Out of the Wackenhut/Cabazon endeavor grew a business partnership between Nichols and Riconosciuto, both interested in developing new, hightech submachine guns and powerful explosive devices that, like a nuclear blast, could produce an electromagnetic pulse that could wipe out an enemy's communicatins and electronics. The secretive Nichols chatted with Casolaro frequently. Casolaro's July phone bills indicated that he called Nichols fifteen times that month, often in the wee hours of the morning. Several of those phone conversations lasted for more than two hours. Before his death on August 10th, Danny Casolaro told his brother, Tony, and Bill Hamilton that Nichols warned him that his investigations were risky. --- According to FBI statements, Nichols is not a man whose warnings should be taken lightly. In September 1987, Special Agent Thomas Gates of the Los Angeles FBI had begun an investigation of the activities of Robert Booth Nichols and his corporation, Meridian International Logistics, through Japanese and Australian legal attaches abroad. According to a subsequent deposition filed by Gates, the bureau suspected Nichols of being involved in a $500 million stock fraud and of maintaining ties to the Gambino crime family and organized crime in Japan. --- Gates's deposition was part of a 1987 wiretapping on the phone of Eugene Giaquinto, an official of the MCA entertainment corporation with reputed MOB links. Nichols was one of the people whose calls the bureau intercepted. According to the wiretap application, Nichols was allegedly an international money launderer for money generated through narcotics trafficking and organized crime activities. - Ted Gunderson submitted an affidavit on Nichols' behalf, stating that he believed Gates HAD acted outside the scope of his employment when investigating Nichols abroad, the suit was subsequently dismissed through the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. -- While reading these documents, I couldn't help wondering why an "arms" dealer [Nichols] , allegedly tied in with organized crime, wanted to fund the exclusive training of physicians at a Japanese medical school? -- Was this technology being developed with the authority of the U.S. government, or independently? If Nichols' operations were in fact government sanctioned, then it must have been frustrating for him to be investigated by the FBI. The concept of the FBI inadvertently investigating the CIA was ironic. And what had Danny Casolaro learned about this technology? --- I felt that time was of the essence in uncovering the nature of this technology, so I pushed Riconosciuto to talk about it. "It looks like Earl Brian, Sir Denis Kendall, Hercules Research, Wackenut, Zokosky and Bob Nichols were all involved in the same biotechnological agenda ..." Michael answered, "You got it." I asked, "Are they connected, or are they all individually working on their own projects?" Michael: "Yes." "How?" Michael: "Check out Bio-Rad Laboratories. Their international headquarters are on half of the property that used to be the Hercules plant, in Hercules, California. Do you understand what I'm saying? BioRad makes the most toxic biological and radioactive compounds known to man. And they're now located in the town of Hercules. BioRad Industrial Park. That building of theirs, the headquarters, doesn't look like much, but it goes 20 stories down into the ground. It's a huge underground complex. "See, BioRad was the flagship company, and then they [Earl Brian] started InfoTech, and then they got mired in lawsuits and then Hadron was formed to be a cutout parent corporation, you know, just to be a firewall from law suits ..." I asked, "What do they do at BioRad?" "Well, they make the most hazardous biological and nuclear chemicals in the world, for medical research." "Who do they sell it to?" "Well, front line researchers all over the world. BioRad is the single source for this stuff ... actually Aldrich Chemical sells it, there's about 100 companies, but BioRad is head and shoulder above all of them by a factor of ten on many things like Cytotoxins." I remembered reading about Cytotoxins in the Wackenhut/Cabazon biological warfare letters to Dr. Harry Fair. Michael responded hesitantly, "It would have been Hitler's wet dream. It's selective to such a degree that it's awesome. With the appropriate genetic material, you can wipe out whole segments of humanity. There's no stopping it." "I asked, "You mean you could
Re: [CTRL] Ted Gunderson / Quotes from The Last Circle / Part 4 of 5
-Caveat Lector- continued from Part 3 From "The Last Circle" by Carol Marshall http://www.tdbooks.com/ebooks/lastcircle/toc.html A HREF="http://www.tdbooks.com/ebooks/lastcircle/toc.html"The Last Circle-Table Of Contents/A Quotes are posted with the permission of the Editor. The names/comments inserted in [[double brackets]] were inserted by me for the purpose of clarity. Underlines are mine, but I doubt they'll show up. Samantha -- begin quoting -- It was time to interview Robert Booth Nichols. I was communicating regularly with Ted Gunderson and one day, on an impulse, I asked him for Nichols's telephone number. Gunderson hesitated, then gave me the telephone number of a "relative" of Nichols' in Los Angeles, stating that he really couldn't give out Robert's home number without first consulting him. -- I didn't mention that Riconoscituo had stated Kendall was Nichols' supervisor (CIA "handler"), or that J.M., Ted Gunderson's research partner, had found a brochure in Ted's files advertising for Swedish nurses at a medical research complex in Mexico. The brochure contained both Gunderson's picture and Sir Denis Kendall's. -- Nichols continued to lead the conversation towards Riconosciuto. Nichols and Zokosky could not understand why Ted Gunderson testified for Michael at his trial in Washington state. At a previous dinner party at Nichols' apartment in Sherman Oaks, Ted reportedly told the two men that Michael had loaned him (Gunderson) $60,000 for a joint business venture. Ted still owed Michael the money. It is noteworthy that Ted also supplied Robert Booth Nichols an affidavit for HIS lawsuit against Thomas Gates. --- I simply did not perceive Riconosciuto as a killer. Nevertheless, I asked Nichols how Michael would kill me if he was in jail? Nichols said it would be done by one of Michael's "drug flunkies." He said Riconosciuto HAD worked for the government, and had been "rescued" by the FBI for years. He added that Michael could get away with murder. I wondered if the video had been tampered with. I asked Nichols where he had obtained the original "uncut" version? He would not say. I had no idea at that time that his F.I.D.C.O. partner, Clint Murchison, Jr.'s [[friend of Ted Gunderson, according to his live-in partner, J.M.]] father had had instant access to the Zapruder film immediately after the assassination in Dallas, Texas. Nichols studied me for the longest time, then walked over to the window and lit a cigarette. He finally commented that the CIA can cover up anything it wants, even a president's murder. He wanted to show me the power of the Octopus. "Nothing is as it appears to be," he said. Inwardly, I recalled a conversation with J.M., in which she related a conversation she'd had with Ted after a dinner engagement with Nichols. Nichols had reportedly stated to Ted that he headed a 200man assassination team. Jackie had been too frightened to elaborate on this conversation, but had pointed out that Nichols once worked in the MKUltra (Manchurian Candidate) program during the Vietnam war. This program was part of the "Phoenix Project." Interestingly, numerous publications had mentioned that Earl Brian had also participated in the Phoenix Project during the war. -- Littman proceeded to issue a warning which I recorded in my notebook in the car. It read as follows: "Littman warned me today to watch out. Noone gets out of this alive. No one walks. If I cut them off, it would be very dangerous." - That evening, I mentally reviewed the day's events. Nichols and Littman were undoubtedly screwing with my head. The doctored Zapruder tape gave them deniability. The information I had obtained at the meeting may or may not have had value, but I knew one thing, the deaths surrounding Riconosciuto and Nichols were real enough. Behind the smoke and mirrors labyrnthe was a story, one they were working very hard to conceal. I felt sure the corporate and government connections were little more than "fronts" for large scale drug trafficking. - Bobby Riconosciuto sat with Ted Gunderson and J.M. in her hotel suite and ate pizza. When I called her, she said Ted had detained her at the hotel, she couldn't get away. My husband and I finished our dinner and drove to San Diego to see my mother. -- "John, I've been straight with all of them. Every one of them. I have never betrayed any of them, other than to provide you, as a journalist, with some documents you requested ..." He interrupted me, still speaking meticulously, ever so slowly. "You cannot fool people like Michael and Bobby and Ted Gunderson. Michael knew the meeting was going to take place. And it's not a good idea to go back and tell him a story that something didn't happen when it did happen." --- Bobby confided that Michael had taperecorded the conversation in which Littman had reported the contents of the Nichols meeting. Michael had called a "friend," and had the friend patch
Re: [CTRL] Error 404: File Not Found/Parascope
-Caveat Lector- Cany anybody help me on this? I can hardly open anything at the Paracsope site. I can't even use the search. I keep getting this: Unable to open http://www.parascope.com/ds/documentslibrary/index.htm. The site reports that the item you requested could not be found. Not Found The requested URL /ds/documentslibrary/index.htm was not found on this server. - Thanks, Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] What a Wonderful World by Carla Binion
-Caveat Lector- WHAT A WONDERFUL WORLD by Carla Binion Ok, what is the GOP trying to pull? They're kidding with this George W. for president deal, right? It's not just that George flunked when asked by a reporter to name the leaders of four different countries. (I can almost hear strains of Dubya's theme song: "Don't know much about history, don't know much about geography...") And, yes, I did personally know the names of the four leaders. It's that when he mentioned the coup in Pakistan, he said the coup was a good thing because it would help bring stability to the region. Whoa! Warning, warning, danger, danger, CIA-speak! Who did this guy's programming? It's a matter of public record that the CIA often sings the praises of one miltary dictator or another for "bringing stability to a region." This is not a sentiment that most Americans in possession of all pertinent facts would likely share -- not that we're allowed much say about it. What gives one pause is that the phrase "bringing stability to the region" (and ask yourself: what average American routinely uses that phrase?) rolled off Dubya's tongue so easily, as his lizard-brain reflexes took over when his frontal lobe dropped the ball. Those darting, reptilian eyes said it all as the interview progressed. The Dubya was stumped, but his programming did kick in and sort of slop out for all the world to see. The last thing we need is yet another affable, passive CIA stooge for president. Been there, done that. Two recent Democratic presidents, Carter and Clinton, have occasionally at least held their own on foreign affairs and stood up to the intelligence services with independent opinions. Carter made a stab at cleaning up the CIA and resisted CIA policies in Iran, and Clinton opened some intelligence files. Neither was a total CIA doormat with a blank check as Reagan and Bush were -- and as Shrub would likely be. Another thing we don't need is yet another, shall we say, Quayle-like mind in high political office. We had one Dan Quayle near the presidency, and we all knew right away that was a no go. Why is it taking so long for Republicans to see George W. isn't any more viable than Quayle was? What more evidence do they need -- Shrub's telling us in an interview that the "Kosovians" and the "Grecians" are actually from America? ("Don't know much about a science book. Don't know much about the French I took...") We need to get a message to the GOP: Save yourselves some time and money. Do not back this racehorse. Or, maybe we should just sit back and watch the horse stumble as he gets closer to the finish line. Unless the CIA plans to fully rig the election, I can't imagine how George W. is confident he's going to be our next president. Maybe dad's friends at Langley have worked out some deal with the "Kosoviogrecians" to have them show up in droves at the ballot boxes. Or maybe the Gore camp can alert the public to Dubya's obvious flaws soon enough to reverse his mind boggling lead and prevent yet another CIA presidency. What a wonderful world it would be. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om